1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 01 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 240       Contents: Re: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ?, RE: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT), RE: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT), RE: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT) Anyone here from Dublin ? , BIND question: overriding external addresses0 Re: BIND question: overriding external addresses0 Re: BIND question: overriding external addresses. Re: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.37 Compaq commitment to DOD = HP commitment? Few questions ; Re: Compaq commitment to DOD = HP commitment? Few questions ; Re: Compaq commitment to DOD = HP commitment? Few questions   Re: DHCP Client + DECNET problem" DS10 617Mhz EV67 Upgrades in stock. Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS. Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS 3 Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 2003 3 Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 2003  Re: Help with Vest Re: Help with Vest9 Re: HELP: SCA Traffic - Transmit Sequence Packet Timeouts 9 Re: HELP: SCA Traffic - Transmit Sequence Packet Timeouts , Re: Host based shadowing on VAX VMS v5.5-2h4, Re: Host based shadowing on VAX VMS v5.5-2h43 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 $ Re: I learned about VMS from that...H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly Re: Is FX!32 still available?   Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user  Re: Johnny English is a VMS user& linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1* Re: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1* Re: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1* Re: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1 Re: New sun sparkies a bust ...  Re: New sun sparkies a bust ... 6 Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham! OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRC Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRC Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRC5 Re: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes... ' readatt on broadcast mbx in C requested : Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?)> Re: Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?)> Re: Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?) Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question TCP/IP Cluster Alias question 1 Re: URGENT HELP REQD. : Problem in Ingres session E Re: [DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] What has happened to the DECNET_VERSION  Re: [GOOGLE] Missing article ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 07:58:28 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? 3 Message-ID: <R+xa4lMn8An8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <948f0720.0304301656.34d60e00@posting.google.com>, chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) writes: > # > How thoroughly did you clean it?    F    Last time I got a keyboard really wet, it mesbehaved until it dried    out.  Never had to open it.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:17:45 -0400$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>5 Subject: RE: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT) J Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B144@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org 2 > [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]& > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 8:58 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > Subject: Re: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ?  >  > @ > In article <948f0720.0304301656.34d60e00@posting.google.com>, 4 > chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran) writes: > > % > > How thoroughly did you clean it?   > H >    Last time I got a keyboard really wet, it mesbehaved until it dried  >    out.  Never had to open it. >   3 I've seen LK keyboards take unbelievable amounts of  abuse.  6 I worked at one site in about 1990, which shall remain nameless.     6 The roof leaked.  I found this out by coming in early 5 during a thunderstorm in April and finding rainwater  5 dripping at an alarming rate directly into an LK201,  9 and splashing onto the VT320 to which it was connected.   6 The power was on, of course.  The desk and the carpet 5 all around the it was wet, all the water having come   through the keyboard first.   6 I removed power, somehow without electrocuting myself.5 When I picked up the keyboard, water came gushing out 7 between the keys.  I dried and cleaned it and strongly  6 recommended that either the roof be fixed or the desk ! moved.  I was cheerfully ignored.   6 That keyboard survived 11 serious overnight rainstorms8 throughout the summer, all while powered on.  Management2 continued to ignore my suggestions to move things,9 or better, patch the roof.  It finally gave up the ghost  2 in August.  I was hoping it would survive the full( season, but the last major storm got it.   -Mike Duffy    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:39:04 +0100* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>5 Subject: RE: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT) O Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCF85@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>   $ > > How thoroughly did you clean it? > H >    Last time I got a keyboard really wet, it mesbehaved until it dried  >    out.  Never had to open it. >   I I've found that by separating out the PCB & stacking all the layers (keys L not removed) a domestic dishwasher will wash approx 6 keyboards at a time, &L they look like new when re-assembled. Users are chuffed that they were worth a brand new keyboard.    Regards    Andrew Robinson    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:48:35 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 5 Subject: RE: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT) 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEKHHBAA.tom@kednos.com>   D I guess your dishwasher is better than mine, had to use a hair dryer on the keys :-)    >-----Original Message----- 2 >From: Andrew Robinson [mailto:arobinson@hspg.com]% >Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:39 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 >Subject: RE: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT) >  > % >> > How thoroughly did you clean it?  >>  I >>    Last time I got a keyboard really wet, it mesbehaved until it dried ! >>    out.  Never had to open it.  >> > J >I've found that by separating out the PCB & stacking all the layers (keysD >not removed) a domestic dishwasher will wash approx 6 keyboards at 
 >a time, &C >they look like new when re-assembled. Users are chuffed that they   >were worth  >a brand new keyboard. >  >Regards >  >Andrew Robinson >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>" Subject: Anyone here from Dublin ?@ Message-ID: <20030501174204.84674.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   Anyone here from Dublin ?   ( A friend from Europe which works for IBM% matched some jobs and asked me about  ) going there ! As I dont have contacts in  , Ireland.... how is the life, cost of living, Universities ?    ( I am not interested to go abroad just to+ work but to study (a Posgraduation Diploma)  et al...   Regards    FC     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 01:56:27 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: BIND question: overriding external addresses ) Message-ID: <3EB0B6E1.AAFDA8A5@istop.com>   K I have a private BIND server that serves hosts on my lan with the local LAN M private address space, and forwards other requests to my ISP's BIND server to  resolve anything outside.   I Lets assume that my BIND server serves a "chocolate.com" zone so that any M hosts inside of "chocolate.com" get served locally and given 10.* adresses on  my lan.   N I have also setup chocolate.dyndns.org  which points to my external "internet" IP address.   F What I need to do is to have my local BIND server contain an entry forG chocolate.dyndns.org which will translate to the local lan 10.* address D without going to the real dyndns.org server. But I also need to have? pastry.dyndns.org go out to the real dyndns.org for resolution.   K Or , another way to put it: how can I override specific internet host names M that at not in my domain (such as ad servers for instance) without overriding  all of the domain ?   M For instance:  get ads.yahoo.com translated by my BIND server into a local IP L address, but let mail.yahoo.com, biz.yahoo.com etc etc get translated by the2 yahoo dns server and given real internet adresses.  J In general terms how is that accomplished ? Do I need to create a zone forN eahc specific host I want to override and specify that particular host name as
 a "zone" ?  M Or is there a way to code specific host names inside the zone file for my own ? domain (eg: chocolate.com would have entry for biz.yahoo.com) ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:25:04 -0400 + From: Michael Corbett <corbett@PROCESS.COM> 9 Subject: Re: BIND question: overriding external addresses * Message-ID: <3EB13C50.3080607@PROCESS.COM>   JF Mezei wrote:    [snip] > O > For instance:  get ads.yahoo.com translated by my BIND server into a local IP N > address, but let mail.yahoo.com, biz.yahoo.com etc etc get translated by the4 > yahoo dns server and given real internet adresses. > L > In general terms how is that accomplished ? Do I need to create a zone forP > eahc specific host I want to override and specify that particular host name as > a "zone" ?    F Yes, this is how you would do it.  So for your example above you wouldA configure you system to be a primary for ads.yahoo.com.  It would B resolve that and everything else would get translated by the yahooD dns servers.  The only issue would be if there other names that alsoI ended in ads.yahoo.com they would no longer be resolvable by your server.      > O > Or is there a way to code specific host names inside the zone file for my own A > domain (eg: chocolate.com would have entry for biz.yahoo.com) ?  >      	  regards    Mike           --  K +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ D Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software                          Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:43:23 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> 9 Subject: Re: BIND question: overriding external addresses ( Message-ID: <3EB1409B.5020903@rdrop.com>  H Whats the order of lookup on VMS- HOSTS entries first, then DNS, or DNS H first, then HOSTS? If it does HOSTS first, you can do this w/o fiddling G the DNS server by putting the specific hosts you want to false-resolve   in as HOSTS entries.  I Hmph- with more than one IP stack, I guess it might depend on the stack,  I and/or there may be logicals to twiddle- but if I could do it with HOSTS  A entries rather than faking DNS zone files, I would- much simpler.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:53:04 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> 7 Subject: Re: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3 < Message-ID: <kxasa.42702$U17.891545@twister.tampabay.rr.com>  F If anyone has any input on this issue, I would personally appreciate aI helpful answer.  I believe my company is one of his customers having this L problem.  This is one of several problems we have had since upgrading to VMSJ 7.3-1.  We waited to upgrade so that everyone else could flush out most ofK the critical bugs.  Unscheduled downtime costs us untold dollars/minute  in K actual revenue, but even more  in customer dissatisfaction.  Two days after E upgrading,  our system crashed and the problem has to be escalated to  engineering.  8 "Jeff Cameron" <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote in message, news:BAD5EBC0.7A64%JCam90502@jcameron.com...J > Were there any significant changes in the dismount system service in 7.3 of0 > VMS, specifically in dealing with tape drives? > L > Here is why I ask. My company provides commercial software to many OpenVMSA > customers that manage their tape volumes. Our software works by  interceptingE > the DCL commands INITIALIZE, MOUNT, BACKUP and DISMOUNT by means of  logical G > names and installed shared images. When any of the above commands are K > executed, our code is run and we determine, first, if we are dealing with  a C > tape device under our control, and if we are, we then do whatever 
 processingH > we need to do and then pass off the actual operation to the native VMS
 > service. > L > In the case of dismounting a volume, we force the dismount to be done withK > the NOUNLOAD option, so that we can then read the tape label again to see  ifJ > the BACKUP utility has reinitialized the tape for any reason. Well, what has J > happened in 7.3 (and only on some SCSI DLT tape drives) that despite theH > NOUNLOAD operation, the tape device actually goes offline briefly, andL > returns to an online condition sometime between the dismount operation andF > the drive's physical return to BOT, at which point it becomes online again. > L > This was never before observed in any previous versions of VMS, and we areI > not sure if it is from a change in operation, or possibly just a timing C > issue that we never saw before, but are seeing in some cases now.  > K > We have made corrections in our software to deal with this by waiting for A > the online condition to return before doing our tape label post  processing, I > and timing out if the online condition does not return within 5 minutes < > (allowing for a DLT tape to rewind and reposition to BOT). > G > I'm hoping someone might be able to shed some light on this behavior.  >  > Jeff Cameron >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 09:18:46 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>@ Subject: Compaq commitment to DOD = HP commitment? Few questions& Message-ID: <3EB0CA56.7010303@Free.fr>  P I read somewhere that COMPAQ commited to enhance VMS in the future for at least J 10 more years mainly because "someone" within the DOD asked them to do so.  O 1. Did this commitment go to HP as part of the merger? (apart the fact that HP  ; already published information on the future of VMS on IA64)   E 2. Where could I read more on the HP-DOD VMS wedding according to HP?   8 3. How could I also hear the story according to the DOD?   Thanks,    D.	 (curious)    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 09:19:14 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>D Subject: Re: Compaq commitment to DOD = HP commitment? Few questions6 Message-ID: <20030501091914.14997.qmail@gacracker.org>  J On Thu, 01 May 2003, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote:J >I read somewhere that COMPAQ commited to enhance VMS in the future for at >least  K >10 more years mainly because "someone" within the DOD asked them to do so.   ' I'd guess you're talking about DII-COE.   P >1. Did this commitment go to HP as part of the merger? (apart the fact that HP < >already published information on the future of VMS on IA64)   It went into the HP website.  F >2. Where could I read more on the HP-DOD VMS wedding according to HP?  I <URL:http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/government/coe/dii_COE_Faq.html>   9 >3. How could I also hear the story according to the DOD?   ! <URL:http://diicoe.disa.mil/coe/>      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net K                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:26:07 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>D Subject: Re: Compaq commitment to DOD = HP commitment? Few questions@ Message-ID: <20030501172607.20437.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>  ( What I believe about this commitment is:  > Compaq/HP didnt send an official document to all the customers  worldwide about this Commitment.  : I believe HP should try to contact all the active OpenVMS < customers ww and send a PAK-diploma-like document specifing ; this commitment even retroactive the date of the agreement.    Regards    FC  9 --- Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote: K > I read somewhere that COMPAQ commited to enhance VMS in the future for at  > least L > 10 more years mainly because "someone" within the DOD asked them to do so. > M > 1. Did this commitment go to HP as part of the merger? (apart the fact that  > HP  = > already published information on the future of VMS on IA64)  > G > 2. Where could I read more on the HP-DOD VMS wedding according to HP?  > : > 3. How could I also hear the story according to the DOD? > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D. > (curious)  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 05:31:48 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: DHCP Client + DECNET problem ) Message-ID: <3EB0E982.F362C15F@istop.com>   O > After some playing around with the DCHP Client, it seems that the DCHP Client K > of TCPIP doesn't work if started after DECnet (or LAT - DECnet compatible  > addr).  H A DHCP client often works "outside" the TCPIP stack (since often it runsL before the stack is fully up). This means that it may deal directly with theE ethernet interface to send and receive its request/renew and expect a N response. The broadcast is sent to everyone, but servers reply directly to theM ethernet if I remember correctly. And the ethernet address is often used as a " key/identification of the machine.  I If you start it before DECNET, are you sure it functions properly X hours K later when it tries to do a renew ? (eg: when booting, your DHCP works when L ececuted before decnet, but hours later, well after decnet has been started, will it succeed in renewing ?   M Have you tried to run ethermon to see if the DHCP client actually does try to 3 send a discovery/request/renew packet on your lan ?   F I suspect that the DHCP client software probably tries to use the realH hardware address. So the DHCP CLient would ask servers to respond to theI hardware address, but those packets would be seen as originating from the  ethernet address set by decnet.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:00:45 -0400, From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com>+ Subject: DS10 617Mhz EV67 Upgrades in stock / Message-ID: <vb234ri8d78479@news.supernews.com>   / We have the following in stock that need a home   ; DS10 617Mhz EV67 Motherboard and CPU for $995 (VMS Special)   ? DS10 466Mhz EV6 Motherboard and CPU for only $495 (VMS Special)   6 ATI Radeon 7500 PCI 64MB New Retail $139 (not a clone) S-Video/DVI and VGA Connectors     DS10L 617Mhz System  256MB Memory 30GB 7200RPM ATA Disk  Dual 10/100 Ethernet Dual ATA/IDE Dual Comm/Serial Port 
 Parallel Port  USB Port   Only $1095 for VMS Users !!!!          --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 07:13:15 -0700  From: lhy8888@msn.com (Sean)7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS = Message-ID: <cf3962d8.0305010613.6626abd3@posting.google.com>   ^ david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote in message news:<b8ortg$kg9$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...^ > In article <cf3962d8.0304300724.19ecd904@posting.google.com>, lhy8888@msn.com (Sean) writes:E > >We have an Alpha DS25 and want to have dual operating system (Unix E > >tru64 and OpenVMS). Does anybody have any idea to do it. Thank you  > >very much for your time.  > N > Assuming there aren't any esoteric options (eg graphics cards) which work onN > Tru64 but don't work on VMS then you just need two disks on which to installO > the two OSs. (VMS needs a disk completely to itself - you can't install TRU64 4 > and VMS on different partitions of a single disk).N > Install VMS on one disk, Install Tru64 on the second disk. Install licenses. >  > To boot set the  > P > OS_TYPE console variable to  either UNIX or OpenVMS according to which you areQ > going to boot. (you may be able to get away with booting with the wrong OS_TYPE N > type set ie booting VMS with OS_TYPE UNIX set i'm not sure what this console > variable affects.  > 
 > For UNIX >  > boot -fl A  unix_bootdev > 
 > For  VMS >  > boot -fl 0,0  vms_bootdev  >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  O Is there any instruction for detail installation? Where can we find it? Thanks.    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:00:16 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) 7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS * Message-ID: <b8rjr0$mo$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>  \ In article <cf3962d8.0305010613.6626abd3@posting.google.com>, lhy8888@msn.com (Sean) writes:_ >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote in message news:<b8ortg$kg9$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... _ >> In article <cf3962d8.0304300724.19ecd904@posting.google.com>, lhy8888@msn.com (Sean) writes: F >> >We have an Alpha DS25 and want to have dual operating system (UnixF >> >tru64 and OpenVMS). Does anybody have any idea to do it. Thank you >> >very much for your time. >>  O >> Assuming there aren't any esoteric options (eg graphics cards) which work on O >> Tru64 but don't work on VMS then you just need two disks on which to install P >> the two OSs. (VMS needs a disk completely to itself - you can't install TRU645 >> and VMS on different partitions of a single disk). O >> Install VMS on one disk, Install Tru64 on the second disk. Install licenses.  >>   >> To boot set the   >>  Q >> OS_TYPE console variable to  either UNIX or OpenVMS according to which you are R >> going to boot. (you may be able to get away with booting with the wrong OS_TYPEO >> type set ie booting VMS with OS_TYPE UNIX set i'm not sure what this console  >> variable affects. >>   >> For UNIX  >>   >> boot -fl A  unix_bootdev  >>   >> For  VMS  >>   >> boot -fl 0,0  vms_bootdev >>   >>  
 >> David Webb  >> VMS and Unix team leader  >> CCSS  >> Middlesex University  > P >Is there any instruction for detail installation? Where can we find it? Thanks.  > Well there are the VMS and Tru64 manuals available online from  7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os731_index.html  for VMS  and I http://h30097.www3.hp.com/docs/pub_page/V51B_DOCS/ADM_DOCS.HTM  for TRU64    in particular for VMS   ( OpenVMS Upgrade and Installation manual    OpenVMS Release notes    and    OpenVMS new features      
 and for TRU64     
 Release Notes    and    Installation Guide  O Just choose which disk you are going to put VMS on and which disk you are going E to put TRU64 on and follow the installation instructions for each OS.    Hope that helps   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 07:18:29 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS) Message-ID: <3EB0BC35.A61DE0D1@127.0.0.1>    Chris Sharman wrote: >  > John Hayes wrote:  > > Hi,  > > O > > Has anyone developed or is using an application which allows users on a VMS P > > system to send a fax through a windows box with fax software on it connected> > > via pathworks or any other kind of faxing software for VMS >  > Goldfax is what we use too. 8 > Sadly my experience is that UK support is ineffective.  H That's a shame. I think the main UK guy went over to the US to 'fix' the= marketing and distribution over there, appears the UK end has  suffered...   F However after installation and initial setup, I don't recall having to? use technical support because it just worked. (Some while ago).  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 15:38:45 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)   Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <b8rf25$lmj$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <QzPra.32126$WQ4.18603@news2.central.cox.net>, "John Hayes" <hayes1966@cox.net> writes:L >Has anyone developed or is using an application which allows users on a VMSM >system to send a fax through a windows box with fax software on it connected ; >via pathworks or any other kind of faxing software for VMS *                                           L We use CompuFax from Networking Dynamics. We use it only from within VMS but they have a PC interface.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +------------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html -------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:55:54 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS3 Message-ID: <b8qjud$ql$1$830fa79d@news.demon.co.uk>    Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: > Hi !I >     The GoldFAX is not supported in real life, last VMS guy left DPD a   > couple years ago. < >     I still using it but on VMS 7.3 it have huge problems.  I Notwithstanding my post in the other thread about UK support, US support  ; is (afaik) alive & well, and the problems are surmountable.     I get a lot of faxes out on 7.3.G I had to abandon the VMS mail interface - all my high volume faxes now  H go direct to the PS queue with embedded keywords (the HP queue is meant % to be best, but we don't use HP PCL).   @ The VMS73_SYS05 patch broke goldfax severely, as apparently did  VMS731_SYS02 (now superseded).B That wasn't a goldfax problem, though, it was the patch (probably G related to the documented smtp problem). If you've got either of those  I patches on, you need either the fixup kit, available from HP support, or  1 to back out the patch manually (I backed it out).   D I'd be interested to know what your problems are - please post them.   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:14:21 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS/ Message-ID: <b8qj2a$hai$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    John Hayes wrote:  > Hi,  > I > Anyone know of software that would let you fax directly from VMS thru a N > modem attached or intrefacing into windows faxing via pathworks or any other	 > method.  >  > Thanks >  > John >  >    Loot at + http://www.networkingdynamics.com/Compu.htm    Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:41:45 +0400 2 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@StarLet.SPB.RU> Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS- Message-ID: <3EB107F9.1030305@StarLet.SPB.RU>    Chris Sharman wrote: > Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: >  >> Hi ! J >>     The GoldFAX is not supported in real life, last VMS guy left DPD a  >> couple years ago.= >>     I still using it but on VMS 7.3 it have huge problems.  >  > K > Notwithstanding my post in the other thread about UK support, US support  = > is (afaik) alive & well, and the problems are surmountable. = 	Really? I stopped paying for support after 4 months of mail  C conversation between DPD, MultiTech and "me" about GOLDFAX/CONVERT  G Utility, so I wrote my own convert utility because new MT modems using  I reverse bit order... Are you asked DPD why you need to bay MT modems for  + ~300$ instead of USR for ~50$? And so on...   F > I'd be interested to know what your problems are - please post them.B 	Oh, are you using PC-interface on Windows clients? I got "fresh" H Windows client kit, it's not working at all, I asked "why" - got answer 4 "You can use GoldFAX server for windoze", very cool!   --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+2               Mobile: +7 (812) 116-3222/NMT/IMT-MCB     TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU0                  http://starlet.spb.ru/~laishev/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:33:37 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS+ Message-ID: <3EB11421.5060006@sorry.nospam>    Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: > Chris Sharman wrote: >  >> Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:  >> >>> Hi !I >>>     The GoldFAX is not supported in real life, last VMS guy left DPD   >>> a couple years ago. > >>>     I still using it but on VMS 7.3 it have huge problems. >> >> >>D >> Notwithstanding my post in the other thread about UK support, US F >> support is (afaik) alive & well, and the problems are surmountable. > B >     Really? I stopped paying for support after 4 months of mail . > conversation between DPD, MultiTech and "me"  G I had a similar experience, whereby the PS queue (ghostscript) appears  @ to leak & eventually to thrash, ripping time deteriorating from D pages/second to minutes/page. The workaround (which I'm still stuck ; with) is to stop/restart the queue every few hundred pages.      about GOLDFAX/CONVERT I > Utility, so I wrote my own convert utility because new MT modems using  K > reverse bit order... Are you asked DPD why you need to bay MT modems for  - > ~300$ instead of USR for ~50$? And so on...   E We use MT modems, no problem - I don't remember paying $300 for them  E (not in the last decade anyway). The faxbox is the expensive option,  I that's supposed to offer better reliability & throughput, but I've never  ' tried one. When are you talking about ?    > G >> I'd be interested to know what your problems are - please post them.  > G >     Oh, are you using PC-interface on Windows clients? I got "fresh"  J > Windows client kit, it's not working at all, I asked "why" - got answer 6 > "You can use GoldFAX server for windoze", very cool!  E Granted. Do you mean the VMS 'goldfax server for windows' module, or  I goldfax for nt ? If the former, we've got that, and have never been able  G to get it to work either. Frankly, though, I've ceased to care - there  A are fewer & fewer people one can't email and we don't have a big  = personal faxing requirement - most of our faxes are sent out  I automatically from VMS. Also more printers are offering a fax option - I  I can install faxing via one of our Canon ir2200s onto any desktops I want.   B We're on 4.5. The last renewal notice offered 5.3 as some kind of H carrot. I never found out what happened to the intervening versions, or 
 what was new.    Chris    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 12:06:21 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)< Subject: Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 20035 Message-ID: <b8r2jt$coput$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ' In article <3EB07A92.B55DB541@fsi.net>, 4 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > John Smith wrote:t >> eA >> "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message): >> news:cf15391e.0304291759.5162026b@posting.google.com...E >> > "HP (NYSE:HPQ) is the No. 1 vendor of servers worldwide, with 29tF >> > percent unit market share for the first calendar quarter of 2003,? >> > according to preliminary results released today by Gartnere
 >> Dataquest.s> >> > HP leads its closest competition by 9 percentage points." >> >> >> > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030428c.html >> uD >> I'm rather surprised that the article didn't mention, "HP - #1 in >> OpenVMS Server Sales".p > = > Would that not be like: "Ford - #1 in Crown Victoria sales"e > J > Who sells OpenVMS servers besides HP? (I'm talking about who makes them, > not who distributes them.)   I think you missed the sarcasm.    D Most people here aren't sure even HP sells OpenVMS.  At least that's1 how it seems based on their advertising presence.a   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 07:50:27 -0500y; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler).< Subject: Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 20033 Message-ID: <+OvIPmaOsHo3@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  [ In article <3EB07A92.B55DB541@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:B > = > Would that not be like: "Ford - #1 in Crown Victoria sales"  > J > Who sells OpenVMS servers besides HP? (I'm talking about who makes them, > not who distributes them.)  (    Not quite.  I've seen Crown Vic adds.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 09:14:15 +0200 " From: adolf.sonderegger@bluewin.ch Subject: Re: Help with Vest ) Message-ID: <3EB0C947.7A28E4F@bluewin.ch>b   PatrickS wrote:g   > Hello, >sB > I have a single executable that I need to port from VMS to Alpha	 > v7.3-1.n; > When I run the Vest/dependency command against it, I get:t >o& > Spvm02> vest /dependency csgscntl_21' > %VEST-I-READIMAGE, Reading image file ' > SYS$OPSUSERS:[PSZUCH]CSGSCNTL_21.EXE;sH > %VEST-F-OPENIN, Error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]VAXCRTL.EXE; as input > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundF > %VEST-I-READIMAGE, Reading image file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]LIBRTL.EXE;G > %VEST-F-OPENIN, Error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]MTHRTL.EXE; as inputd > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundF > %VEST-I-READIMAGE, Reading image file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]FDLSHR.EXE;G > %VEST-F-OPENIN, Error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]FORRTL.EXE; as inputo > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundH > %VEST-F-OPENIN, Error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]LIBRTL2.EXE; as input > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundF > %VEST-I-READIMAGE, Reading image file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]SCRSHR.EXE;G > %VEST-F-OPENIN, Error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]PASRTL.EXE; as inputC > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundG > %VEST-I-READIMAGE, Reading image file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]SORTSHR.EXE;-B > %VEST-F-DEPENDFATAL, Complete dependency analysis was impossible >8G > As you can see, I have 5 RTL's that vest isn't finding.  If I look in ; > sys$common:[syslib], I find vested versions of these (ie.@G > VAXCRTL_D56_TV.EXE), but obviously, no native versions.  How do I getsF > Vest to recognize the current (translated) versions of these runtimeC > libraries.  Is it as simple as defining logicals such as "$definer= > vaxcrtl vaxcrtl_d56_tv"?  It would seem that this should bet > unnecessary. >-F > Any ideas?  I have no experience with the Vest product, but it seemsH > my only hope for getting the exectable in question ported to Alpha, as# > the source code is not available.C >1	 > Thanks!0 > Patrick Szuchp > DBA, Swagelok Company- > pat.szuch@swagelok.com   Halloh  J I found this in the releasenotes of "OpenVMS Migration Software for VAX to Alpha Systems Release Notes"C on URL: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/omsva/omsva.htmlD  ( 3.9 VEST/DEPENDENCY and Shareable ImagesJ OpenVMS VAX images refer to shareable images supplied with the OpenVMS VAX Systems.J VEST/DEPENDENCY cannot distinguish between shareable images for which .IIF files have been supplied byyD Compaq Information Technologies Group or a third party and shareable* images that are part of the software beingJ translated. As a result, VEST/DEPENDENCY attempts to analyze all shareable! images in the dependency tree. AseJ shown in Example 1, when run on OpenVMS Alpha Systems, VEST/DEPENDENCY may report that files such asi@ LIBRTL.EXE and MTHRTL.EXE cannot be opened for analysis. Whether VEST/DEPENDENCY reports thesenG messages or not, edit the MMS file produced to remove all references tor( .IIF files and shareable images that areH not a part of the software being translated. After editing the MMS file,* you can process the file normally. ExampleC 2 contains an example of an MMS file before it is edited. Example 3n( contains an example of the same MMS file after editing., Example 1 Output from $VEST/DEPENDENCY SIEVE $ VEST/DEPENDENCY SIEVE ; %VEST-I-READIMAGE, Reading image file DISK:[USER]SIEVE.EXE;eF %VEST-F-OPENIN, Error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]VAXCRTL.EXE; as input -RMS-E-FNF, file not found@ %VEST-F-DEPENDFATAL, Complete dependency analysis was impossible5 Example 2 MMS file produced by $VEST/DEPENDENCY SIEVEtJ ! DISK$:[USER]SIEVE.MMS; created by VEST/DEPENDENCY on Mon May 17 16:01:18 1993G ! Define default VEST switches. They can be overridden from the command  line; ! by saying MMS/MACRO="VESTSWITCHES=/FLOWGRAPH" for example  !A0 VESTCOMMAND = VEST $(MMS$SOURCE) $(VESTSWITCHES)! TARGET : DISK$:[USER]SIEVE_TV.EXEy !d3 DISK$:[USER]SIEVE_TV.EXE : DISK$:[USER]SIEVE.EXE, -e VEST$FULL_INCLUDE:VAXCRTL.IIFt $(VESTCOMMAND)< Example 3 Edited MMS file produced by $VEST/DEPENDENCY SIEVEJ ! DISK$:[USER]SIEVE.MMS; created by VEST/DEPENDENCY on Mon May 17 16:01:18 1993G ! Define default VEST switches. They can be overridden from the commandm line; ! by saying MMS/MACRO="VESTSWITCHES=/FLOWGRAPH" for example  ! 0 VESTCOMMAND = VEST $(MMS$SOURCE) $(VESTSWITCHES)! TARGET : DISK$:[USER]SIEVE_TV.EXE0 !70 DISK$:[USER]SIEVE_TV.EXE : DISK$:[USER]SIEVE.EXE $(VESTCOMMAND)   regardsy Adolf Sondereggerh   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 06:25:29 -0700 ' From: pat.szuch@swagelok.com (PatrickS)m Subject: Re: Help with Vest = Message-ID: <761a8bd8.0305010525.1131221a@posting.google.com>    >  > Halloo > L > I found this in the releasenotes of "OpenVMS Migration Software for VAX to > Alpha Systems Release Notes"E > on URL: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/omsva/omsva.htmla > * > 3.9 VEST/DEPENDENCY and Shareable ImagesL > OpenVMS VAX images refer to shareable images supplied with the OpenVMS VAX
 > Systems.L > VEST/DEPENDENCY cannot distinguish between shareable images for which .IIF > files have been supplied byiF > Compaq Information Technologies Group or a third party and shareable, > images that are part of the software beingL > translated. As a result, VEST/DEPENDENCY attempts to analyze all shareable# > images in the dependency tree. AsrL > shown in Example 1, when run on OpenVMS Alpha Systems, VEST/DEPENDENCY may > report that files such as B > LIBRTL.EXE and MTHRTL.EXE cannot be opened for analysis. Whether > VEST/DEPENDENCY reports theseuI > messages or not, edit the MMS file produced to remove all references to-* > .IIF files and shareable images that areJ > not a part of the software being translated. After editing the MMS file,, > you can process the file normally. ExampleE > 2 contains an example of an MMS file before it is edited. Example 36* > contains an example of the same MMS file > after editing.. > Example 1 Output from $VEST/DEPENDENCY SIEVE > $ VEST/DEPENDENCY SIEVE = > %VEST-I-READIMAGE, Reading image file DISK:[USER]SIEVE.EXE;fH > %VEST-F-OPENIN, Error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]VAXCRTL.EXE; as input > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundB > %VEST-F-DEPENDFATAL, Complete dependency analysis was impossible7 > Example 2 MMS file produced by $VEST/DEPENDENCY SIEVE L > ! DISK$:[USER]SIEVE.MMS; created by VEST/DEPENDENCY on Mon May 17 16:01:18 > 1993I > ! Define default VEST switches. They can be overridden from the commando > line= > ! by saying MMS/MACRO="VESTSWITCHES=/FLOWGRAPH" for example- > !-2 > VESTCOMMAND = VEST $(MMS$SOURCE) $(VESTSWITCHES)# > TARGET : DISK$:[USER]SIEVE_TV.EXEo > !o5 > DISK$:[USER]SIEVE_TV.EXE : DISK$:[USER]SIEVE.EXE, -r > VEST$FULL_INCLUDE:VAXCRTL.IIFD > $(VESTCOMMAND)> > Example 3 Edited MMS file produced by $VEST/DEPENDENCY SIEVEL > ! DISK$:[USER]SIEVE.MMS; created by VEST/DEPENDENCY on Mon May 17 16:01:18 > 1993I > ! Define default VEST switches. They can be overridden from the commandv > line= > ! by saying MMS/MACRO="VESTSWITCHES=/FLOWGRAPH" for example  > !e2 > VESTCOMMAND = VEST $(MMS$SOURCE) $(VESTSWITCHES)# > TARGET : DISK$:[USER]SIEVE_TV.EXEo > !h2 > DISK$:[USER]SIEVE_TV.EXE : DISK$:[USER]SIEVE.EXE > $(VESTCOMMAND) > 	 > regards  > Adolf Sondereggert        
 Thanks Adolf,l  = I missed that in the documentation.  That answers my question 5 regarding the Vest/Dependency command and fnf errors.s  D Unfortunately, I'm still having trouble getting my 'Vest'ed image toE run under Alpha, as I'm getting an access violation error (see my 2nde message in the thread).   D Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks again for your help!   Regards, Patrick    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:02:57 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>B Subject: Re: HELP: SCA Traffic - Transmit Sequence Packet Timeouts) Message-ID: <3EB0C6A1.C6996644@127.0.0.1>s   Jason O'Donnell wrote: >  > Hello, > C > We have noticed some errors with our SCA traffic in two differenttD > clusters, we are getting about 800 errors a day.  We think it is aG > configuration issue on our hosts.  We have a cluster of two ES40s ando@ > two ES45s running SCA over Gigabit Ethernet through Cisco 6509G > switches.  Each server has two cards.  Our other cluster is two DS20s E > with two GbE cards too.  Both clusters connect to two blades on the  > 6509 in the same VLAN. >  > Any suggestions? > ! > Here is a sample from one node:  <cut>n  B Providing you are using supported controllers with recent firmwareG revisions, appropriate LAN related patches and appropriate cabling, I'deF tend to feel that the problem is outside the system. i.e. something to! do with (most likely) the switch.s  H Would it be possible for you to disconnect one of the network links intoE the switch and use a CAT6 crossover cable between the pair? You could " rule out the system configuration.  G If this is the case, you should probably talk to the folks that supportoG your switch and see if the "switch priority" of "60-07" type traffic isyH checked. If the Notwork people struggle with this concept, consider them as an FRU. ;-)  H Something else I note are the numbers of single collisions, I don't knowH if this is a normal level or not, but would be another reasons I suspect something outside the boxen. HTH. --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:53:34 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>B Subject: Re: HELP: SCA Traffic - Transmit Sequence Packet Timeouts+ Message-ID: <b8qqr2$rk6@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   Y "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:3EB0C6A1.C6996644@127.0.0.1...8  J > Something else I note are the numbers of single collisions, I don't knowJ > if this is a normal level or not, but would be another reasons I suspect > something outside the boxen.  L I think you are misreading it in the same way I did at first, with the wackyQ line wrapping. Since this is full duplex, there should be (and are) 0 collisions.y   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 04:02:58 -0700h From: br@b-con.dk (Bendix Riis) 5 Subject: Re: Host based shadowing on VAX VMS v5.5-2h4c< Message-ID: <9946d62e.0305010221.228f27d@posting.google.com>   Thank you for answeringi  . My SYSGEN parameters concerning shadowing are:  
 SHADOWING = 2i SHADOW_SYS_DISK = 0m SHADOW_SYS_UNIT = 0- SHADOW_MAX_COPY = 4  SHADOW_MBR_TMO = 203
 ALLOCLASS = 2   D so since SHADOW_MAX_UNIT equals 4 this can not be the reason why the disk is not copied.   0 The disks are RZ29B-VA, could that be a problem?   Bendix   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 06:18:49 -0700a From: br@b-con.dk (Bendix Riis)m5 Subject: Re: Host based shadowing on VAX VMS v5.5-2h4.= Message-ID: <9946d62e.0305010518.25560815@posting.google.com>o   Sorry, I have been a fool.6 I booted minimum and the shadow server wasn't started.) By doing a normal boot the copying works.u   Bendix   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:53:37 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6H Message-ID: <Rxasa.40174$M81.31562@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageaF news:rdeininger-3004032111370001@user-uinj0t8.dialup.mindspring.com... > In article= <LbSra.44281$w7k.26760@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,c& > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >mD > >What do you think the odds they don't mention VMS in a meaningful way,$ > >ie. at least as evident as HP-UX? > >a > >I'm betting 3:1 against.i > D > Equal billing with HP-UX seems like an unfair request, since HP-UX is a+ > bigger part of HP's business than VMS is.      <rhetorical questions>  A Do you suppose that lack of effective advertising, marketing, anda< *perceived* commitment to VMS has something to do with that?  D Do you suppose that the several years of 'marking time' while CompaqE was dithering with VMS under Capellas, and the further 'marking time'tB in terms of aggressively enhancing the VMS feature set in favor ofD doing a port to yet another high cost proprietary chip has something to do with that?  F Looking at rough chip costs and  comparing what Compaq/HP could expectB to pay for EVx vs. Itanic chips (unit costs based on somebody elseA fabbing), Compaq could have /HP could be flooding the market withiE low-cost Alpha machines at roughly the same profit margins as Itanics E today and expect to expand the VMS market if they only advertised andr
 marketed VMS.n  F By definition: If you aren't expanding the market, then at best you'reE stagnating, or dying. And for VMS in it's current state of 'potentials= customer' perception, it would have to be posting significantlD double-digit annual growth rates to be considered as a candidate for> use by most organizations. Guess what that means....aggressiveB advertising, marketing, and ISV support. That would demonstrate toE potential customers that HP is serious about VMS and would make theirmE purchasing decision in favor of VMS a much easier sell in the offices 9 of their technlogists., executive suites, and Boardrooms.a   </rhetorical questions>m    0 > Still, I hope they do say something about VMS.  ( So do I, other than VMS is declared EOL.  C Why don't you send carly an email and ask her if during the webcastwF she'll be wearing her "I Love VMS" t-shirt that she got during her ZKO visit last November.  E Maybe Blackmore, Gorham, or Marcello can give us some clues as to howe@ prominently VMS will be featured in this Enterprise extravaganza webcast?  E Maybe they can tell us how they are going to aggressively get the topoC 5-10 commercial apps/tools in *each* category that aren't currently D available on VMS to be available on VMS. Maybe they can tell us someE of the details of how they manage to ensure application parity on VMSm from the commercial ISV's.  B Maybe they can tell us how they can get the top 200 GPL apps/tools> that currently aren't on VMS ported to VMS. I've sent concrete suggestions on how to do this.  = If HP can afford to spend zillions of dollars advertising $69aF throw-away inkjet printers then they certainly can afford to advertise VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 09:56:57 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)t- Subject: Re: I learned about VMS from that...a) Message-ID: <vXYiFotDV5wG@elias.decus.ch>H  T In article <3EAE44CA.ABC9C503@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > John Smith wrote:  >>  5 >> "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message % >> news:3EAD4FD7.8010107@rdrop.com...o >> >E >> > As for phone lines, before our servers went to co-lo, I liked toc >> haveoI >> > two POTS analog lines into the server room, independent of the phonerG >> > switch. One went to a phone, the other wire hung loosely next to a  >> modemI >> > that we could plug into a modem so field service could dial in. (Our G >> > customers are jails & prisons; cell phones typically work for crap-' >> > inside all that rebar & concrete.)( >>  5 >> So presumably all 'break-ins' are inside jobs. ;-): >:   LOL   mH > Here is another example where humour matches real life. In reality theG > biggest motive and hacking threat exists on the inside of the "securee	 > shell".o >   J And knowing someone who has been doing a security system at a prison, thatD is so true. One of the biggest problems is that the "customers" haveG ample "time" on their hands with little else to do but think about wayscE to improve their lot or simply make life awkward for those in charge.C   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 03:35:59 -04005 From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly / Message-ID: <b8qipr$d2u$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>m  = "Helmut P. Einfalt" <hp.einfalt@t-online.de> wrote in messaget) news:b8mfjj$35e$00$1@news.t-online.com....: > >> We have one moored right ... in the center of Bremen, > 7 > > yeah, they were US ships from the second world war.t >hE > Actually, the one I was talking about is the "Treue", German-built,= of > 1943 vintage, ...oA   It's in-effin-credible what one finds posted to this newsgroup. 9   Next thing you know, somebody will write that there's a_;   functional 9 track 800/1600/6250 bpi tape unit in or near!/   Ottawa.  Or I might hit a 6/49 Lotto jackpot.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 03:40:25 -04005 From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolym/ Message-ID: <b8qj25$deq$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>l  @ "Alan J. Wylie" <alan.nospam@glaramara.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in? message news:wgn0i879uz.fsf@qwerty.glaramara.freeserve.co.uk...P6 > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:02:23 -0400, "Alan T. Bowler" <atbowler@thinkage.ca> said: >uE > > When I was a student was ordanized a canoe/kayak race.  The civilaD > > engineers entered their concrete canoe.  It would have been fineD > > except that the river was really low that year and they ended up% > > lugging it for much of the route.t >n- > A bit like the Henly-on-Todd regatta, then?i! > http://www.henleyontodd.com.au/i  C   A potent mixture:  40+ degree C temperatures, and rivers of beer.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 03:48:05 -04005 From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff)sQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly / Message-ID: <b8qjgh$e62$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>d  8 "Alan T. Bowler" <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote in message% news:3EAF2EAF.2CEE81B5@thinkage.ca...y8 > When I was a student was ordanized a canoe/kayak race.7 > The civil engineers entered their concrete canoe.  It 7 > would have been fine except that the river was really < > low that year and they ended up lugging it for much of the > route.  B   I had a styrofoam sailboat circa 65.  (It's still at the cottage4   on Manitoulin Island - haven't sailed it since the7   70's.)  What it lacked in rigidity was more than madee@   up for in transportability.  In fact, if it wasn't firmly tied3   to the roof of the car, it made a great kite too!4  =   I wish I had my boat in that race.  I love an easy victory.    B-)7   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 09:49:45 +0200n) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)oQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyr) Message-ID: <VZ334grIiIag@elias.decus.ch>f  m In article <20030429093824.20726.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: = > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote:. >    [snip]  ' >>"There isn't the *demand* squire...."  > L > My grandfather has an answer for that whenever some PFY in a shop says it, > F > "Well, I was just asking... But if it means I'll get it, consider it >  a *demand*."  >   G Hah. Approximately 10 years ago I was after some standard white shirts,aH suitable attire for the customer I was about to visit. I scoured all the? usual outlets to find none. I eventually ended up at a good olddD fashioned family run gents outfitters that I have used for years andG spoke of my plight. The owner managed to find some white shirts for me, D but complained that the manufacturers were telling him there was "noH demand" for them. He also told me he had a waiting list of customers who wanted them.     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 11:41:37 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)lQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyn) Message-ID: <2RHit29YN7Y0@elias.decus.ch>   g In article <b8qipr$d2u$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>, ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) writes:o > ? > "Helmut P. Einfalt" <hp.einfalt@t-online.de> wrote in message + > news:b8mfjj$35e$00$1@news.t-online.com...h; >> >> We have one moored right ... in the center of Bremen,- >>8 >> > yeah, they were US ships from the second world war. >>F >> Actually, the one I was talking about is the "Treue", German-built, > of >> 1943 vintage, > ...sC >   It's in-effin-credible what one finds posted to this newsgroup.-; >   Next thing you know, somebody will write that there's a6= >   functional 9 track 800/1600/6250 bpi tape unit in or nearj1 >   Ottawa.  Or I might hit a 6/49 Lotto jackpot.  > K Not sure which of alt.folklore.computers or comp.os.vms you read regularly.6  . Have at this one :-) http://www.bodyflying.ch/   -- :
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 07:52:26 -0500l; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)@Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly 3 Message-ID: <MsyMvvbAKxTf@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  U In article <VZ334grIiIag@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  > I > Hah. Approximately 10 years ago I was after some standard white shirts,oJ > suitable attire for the customer I was about to visit. I scoured all theA > usual outlets to find none. I eventually ended up at a good oldfF > fashioned family run gents outfitters that I have used for years andI > spoke of my plight. The owner managed to find some white shirts for me,nF > but complained that the manufacturers were telling him there was "noJ > demand" for them. He also told me he had a waiting list of customers who > wanted them.  G    I've never had a problem funding white shirts.  Must be a .ch thing.i   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:55:02 +0000 (UTC)8 From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins)Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly - Message-ID: <b8rg0m$ook$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>d  ) In article <VZ334grIiIag@elias.decus.ch>,t* Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:B >In article <20030429093824.20726.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher, ><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:    ( >>>"There isn't the *demand* squire...."  M >> My grandfather has an answer for that whenever some PFY in a shop says it,o  G >> "Well, I was just asking... But if it means I'll get it, consider it  >>  a *demand*."  H >Hah. Approximately 10 years ago I was after some standard white shirts,I >suitable attire for the customer I was about to visit. I scoured all thed@ >usual outlets to find none. I eventually ended up at a good oldE >fashioned family run gents outfitters that I have used for years andxH >spoke of my plight. The owner managed to find some white shirts for me,E >but complained that the manufacturers were telling him there was "norI >demand" for them. He also told me he had a waiting list of customers who0
 >wanted them.   0 Try finding white western-cut shirts these days.  C Practicing law, I usually wore these, as the western cut is several G inches longer, and and with a narrower waist, than the regular cut.  IntG ordinary sizes, I'm a LT, not an XL (and just got a t-shirt in my size!x6 Dress shirts are by collar and chest, not height . . .  H And then Garth Brooks happened.  On the rare occasion I can find a plain" white western shirt, it's blended.   *sigh*   hawk --  K Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics    /"\   ASCII ribbon campaign G dochawk@psu.edu  Smeal 178  (814) 375-4700      \ /   against HTML mail D These opinions will not be those of              X    and postings. 6 Penn State until it pays my retainer.           / \      ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:52:00 +0000 (UTC)8 From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins)Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyu- Message-ID: <b8rfr0$ook$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>Q  / In article <b8qjgh$e62$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>,16 Heinz W. Wiggeshoff <ab528@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:  9 >"Alan T. Bowler" <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote in message & >news:3EAF2EAF.2CEE81B5@thinkage.ca...9 >> When I was a student was ordanized a canoe/kayak race.a8 >> The civil engineers entered their concrete canoe.  It8 >> would have been fine except that the river was really= >> low that year and they ended up lugging it for much of thea	 >> route.r  C >  I had a styrofoam sailboat circa 65.  (It's still at the cottage-5 >  on Manitoulin Island - haven't sailed it since theh8 >  70's.)  What it lacked in rigidity was more than madeA >  up for in transportability.  In fact, if it wasn't firmly tied14 >  to the roof of the car, it made a great kite too!  # Oooh, I hate those impromptu kites.   F My father dropped off the tent trailer several years ago in vegas.  It9 probably had 50k miles on it, and was about 17 years old.-    H A few weeks later, I took it to a brew-club camping event.  Driving downG the interstate, I glanced out the rear view mirror, and the road behindb
 me was clear.a  H It took a moment for it to register--I wasn't supposed to be able to see2 out that mirror, which was blocked by the trailer!  6 The last clasp had given, and the roof was in the air.  E We've never fully repaired the damage, never been able to use it, andt I'm ready to give up on it :(o   hawk -- iK Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics    /"\   ASCII ribbon campaignoG dochawk@psu.edu  Smeal 178  (814) 375-4700      \ /   against HTML mailfD These opinions will not be those of              X    and postings. 6 Penn State until it pays my retainer.           / \      ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:13:49 +0400! From: "pbc" <pbc@informchaos.com>'& Subject: Re: Is FX!32 still available?0 Message-ID: <b8qvi8$2ls5$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>  9 Native Word for Alpha will work much better (and faster).d# I've seen it on Ebay some time ego.    Petert      I "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:o/ news:b8p5s2$cd99b$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de... G > I put NT 4 on my white box Alpha (it was once designed for that fate,4L > right). It would be nice to run Word on it as well. Which brings me to the1 > question: where can I find and download FX!32 ?o >s   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 09:32:10 +0200s) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)m) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS usern) Message-ID: <Ku0goKYbuVTy@elias.decus.ch>o  V In article <3EAD6259.97ED5CCE@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Nic Clews wrote:? >> reality, and note well they are of the V5 of VMS (sic) era. 0 > L > But that was the last "true" documentation set for VMS right ? After that,< > they switched to windows-like soft covert el-cheapo books.  G Yeah. In those days I was used to working without any effective support H contract (it was there but I had to go through a prima donna, which madeG it not worth the effort). The grey wall was invaluable in that respect.r   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 10:24:43 +0200p) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)p) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS userp) Message-ID: <sODNrUZiIOnK@elias.decus.ch>l  T In article <3EAF89C8.B6D08864@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > Phillip Helbig wrote:i >> cE >> > I hope we can see Johnny English reading the HTML version of they8 >> > VMS documents on his VMS workstation in the sequel. >> AD >> Gorgeous Bond girl:  I'm sorry, what did you say the name of your >> operating system is?e >> u" >> Sexy Super Spy:  VMS---OpenVMS. > > > And the evil organization desperate to get rid of Mr. VMS... >  > G.A.R.T.N.E.R. >  > (Personal opinion)  F And a box of Swiss chocolates to the person who comes up with the mostF apt/most humourous rendition of what the initials G.A.R.T.N.E.R. stand for :-))     -- /
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 09:35:34 -0000 6 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>) Subject: Re: Johnny English is a VMS usera6 Message-ID: <20030501093534.15384.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.D8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  7 On 1 May 03, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote: 4 >In article <3EAF89C8.B6D08864@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews! ><sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:t   >> G.A.R.T.N.E.R.u >> o >> (Personal opinion)N >iG >And a box of Swiss chocolates to the person who comes up with the mostiG >apt/most humourous rendition of what the initials G.A.R.T.N.E.R. standl >for :-)  ! OK, a one cup of coffee effort...   
  G enerate  A nnual	  R evenueD	  T elling 
  N onsense toa  E agera	  R eaderse     Doc. -- S6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netoK                                                    http://althacker.cjb.netw   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 01:31:00 -0700y From: sam@ratex.dk (Sam)/ Subject: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1A< Message-ID: <d1111de.0305010030.6420f7a2@posting.google.com>  	 Hi Folks.R   On an Alpha 4100 OpenVMS e  > When I do an "$ analyze /disk sys$sysdevice I get a lot of the	 following 	 messages:c  4 %ANALDISK-W-LINKCOUNT, file (11547,79,0) SETUP.COM;5(   linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1  , On the file itself it show a link count of 1   Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TRANS]d  > SETUP.COM;5                   File ID:  (11547,79,0)          0 Size:            1/9          Owner:    [SYSTEM]# Created:    28-JAN-2002 12:18:30.49w' Revised:     3-APR-2003 11:40:33.78 (2)a Expires:    <None specified># Backup:     29-APR-2003 01:00:00.40" Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
 Linkcount:  1o File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online -  Caching attribute:  WritethroughE File attributes:    Allocation: 9, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0,  No version limitF Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 75 bytes4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RE, Owner:RE, Group:RE, World:RWEDa Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 1/9 blocks.  - An analyze /RMS on the file shows "No errors"   6 Does anyone know if I need to do anything about that ?   Kind regards Samc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:06:34 +0100$( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>3 Subject: Re: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1t) Message-ID: <3EB0FFBA.74F6062A@127.0.0.1>n  
 Sam wrote: >  > Hi Folks.  >  > On an Alpha 4100 OpenVMS > @ > When I do an "$ analyze /disk sys$sysdevice I get a lot of the > following. > messages:Y  @ Are we to guess here it is ODS-5? "Hard links enabled"? What VMSG version? Using (or have been using) relevant required patches? What didr  HELP/MESSAGE LINKCOUNT tell you?  C Nic's psychic self-help bureau, first consultation free, additionalt cynicism charged extra.s -- >? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesl nclews at csc dot comu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:32:28 +0200e4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>3 Subject: Re: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1e& Message-ID: <3EB105CC.5030608@Free.fr>   Nic Clews wrote:    
 > What did" > HELP/MESSAGE LINKCOUNT tell you?   Nothing! I tried (7.3)   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:19:02 +0100t( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>3 Subject: Re: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1 ( Message-ID: <3EB11EC6.6A6CB4B@127.0.0.1>   Didier Morandi wrote:t >  > Nic Clews wrote: >  > > What did$ > > HELP/MESSAGE LINKCOUNT tell you? >  > Nothing! I tried (7.3)  : I think hard links came in at 7.3-1 for ODS5 system disks.  F I'm still guessing and mindreading though. But you're right, even on a% 7.3-1 there's no entry for LINKCOUNT.s   -- f? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comB   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:13:47 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyr( Subject: Re: New sun sparkies a bust .... Message-ID: <3EB1016B.4030506@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:i" > it says so right here Andrew ... > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9205  5 Wow that was a well though out and researched articlem thanks for that.  < Just as an example using the same measure as the article did= for bandwidth a 4 way Ultra IIIi system from Sun has a memory ; bandwidth of 18 GB/s (is processor to local memory access).a  - Hardly the 11x slower claimed by the article.m  5 It just shows that the easiest people to confuse withc0 marketing mumbo jumbo are technical journalists.   RegardsP Andrew HarrisonG   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 12:11:15 GMTV( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: New sun sparkies a bust ...5 Message-ID: <b8r2t3$coput$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>N  . In article <3EB1016B.4030506@nospamn.sun.com>,T 	Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:-# >> it says so right here Andrew ...Y >> F+ >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9205f > 7 > Wow that was a well though out and researched articleT > thanks for that. > > > Just as an example using the same measure as the article did? > for bandwidth a 4 way Ultra IIIi system from Sun has a memoryY= > bandwidth of 18 GB/s (is processor to local memory access).f > / > Hardly the 11x slower claimed by the article.M > 7 > It just shows that the easiest people to confuse withe2 > marketing mumbo jumbo are technical journalists.   Or Bob......           :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 10:00:18 +02005) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!e) Message-ID: <5Nyz17XhRdfN@elias.decus.ch>r  X In article <3EAE6C6B.6010805@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: >  >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:c >    <snip>  = > You sound alarmingly like Bob, which BTW isn't a good things> > but is very helpfully from my standpoint since it means that2 > I don't need to bother stooping to reply to you. >   < Reality check Andrew. It _was_ Bob your were replying to :-)   -- h
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:45:06 GMTS( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net># Subject: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRC ? Message-ID: <C2dsa.2033$3f7.1782404@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>n         Hello All....d  L       Welcome to the new ITRC Forums area for discussions around HP OpenVMS.I This new area was created at the request of many HP customers, as well as % long time members of the ITRC Forums.1  L       The ITRC Forums have been extremely successful in the development of aE dynamic community in other areas, such as HP-UX, Management Software, J Servers, and Storage. With your help, this new OpenVMS community area will3 be just as dynamic and beneficial to other members.e  J       If you need assistance, you can always contact hp using the links on; the left sidebar, or read more information on the forums atoa http://itrc.hp.com/estaff/bin/doc.pl/sid=0d7bbb981a7047305f/screen=estaffAssistance?Page=file0002M         Enjoy the new area!l         Best Regards,E	       DanE       Forums ManagerJ   I'm inviting everyone to visit, register and use the new HP ITRC OpenVMS Forum.  L   Below is the welcome message from the brand new HP ITRC forum for OpenVMS.I Access to the forum is free.  The forum is moderated and monitored by themK OpenVMS Customer Support Teams.  However the forum is designed as a peer toc peer resource.         Todd Maurer1       OpenVMS Supporti   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:05:15 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRCC> Message-ID: <ftcsa.165320$gK.260090@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  j In article <C2dsa.2033$3f7.1782404@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> writes: >      Hello All.... > M >      Welcome to the new ITRC Forums area for discussions around HP OpenVMS.MJ >This new area was created at the request of many HP customers, as well as& >long time members of the ITRC Forums. <snip>  O Tried to register - the buttons at the bottom of the page (which will allow oneV, to complete the "registration") do not work.  N You folks should really do some QA before rolling a product out to production!   >      Todd Maurer >      OpenVMS Support >- >-  A _________________________________________________________________(0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 17:20:09 GMTM4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRCo/ Message-ID: <dHcsa.689563$3D1.383579@sccrnsc01>E  j In article <C2dsa.2033$3f7.1782404@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> writes: >      Hello All....M >      Welcome to the new ITRC Forums area for discussions around HP OpenVMS. J >This new area was created at the request of many HP customers, as well as& >long time members of the ITRC Forums. <snip>  M Aplogies for my previous post - apparently, the web server was non-responsiveaN for several minutes, before allowing me to complete my registration.  I am now* registered, and will check out the forums.   >      Todd Maurer >      OpenVMS Support >a >M  A _________________________________________________________________e0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 10:06:48 -0500a' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com>a> Subject: Re: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes...> Message-ID: <YJasa.3170$c6.3045@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com>   Robert Alan Byer wrote: P > Thanks everyone, I forgot about CONVERT and I used CONVERT/APPEND which solved > the problem. > . > Thanks again, it's amazing what one forgets. >   D Just for reference -- sometimes, esp. when pulling files from other I platforms, it *can* be a totally valid thing to do -- you can change the yB way RMS looks at a file using Joe Meadows' excellent FILE utility:  4 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/file.zip  H Only recommended if one pretty much know's what he is doing, but a nice  option to have.v   Chrisf -----  Chris Olivei Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporationm Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 09:52:57 +0200S4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>0 Subject: readatt on broadcast mbx in C requested& Message-ID: <3EB0D259.9080501@Free.fr>  P A poor fellow starting in VMS programming land is looking for a piece of C code  which does the following:h  < $ set sec/acl=(ALARM=SECURITY,ACCESS=write+success) test.dir $ set term/nobro/brdcstmbx $ reply/enable $ open/read ch brdcstmbx $LOOP: $ wait mbx_efn $ read ch record $ if record .eqs. -R9 "%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-APR-2003 06:57:38.72  %%%%%%%%%%%S' Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on DTL02a3 Security alarm (SECURITY) on DTL02, system id: 1026 ' Auditable event:          Object access 1 Event time:               26-APR-2003 06:57:38.72 " PID:                      0000056F  Process name:             SYSTEM  Username:                 SYSTEM" Process owner:            [SYSTEM]  Terminal name:            TNA10:F Image name:               DTL02$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]COPY.EXE Object class name:        FILE9 Directory name:           _DTL02$DKA0:[MORANDI]TEST.DIR;10% Directory ID:             (11891,6,0)l Directory entry:          A.A;1j$ Access requested:         READ,WRITE" Sequence key:             0F28CD42I Status:                   %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion"   L then lib$spawn("my_proc_which_will_process_that_A.A_file_which_just_came_in"   $ goto LOOPi $ endt  B The ones who did not understand the question may press NEXT UNSEEN :-)W  H I wrote this around 1987 in Fortran but I miss a TU77 to read my tape...   D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:31:56 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.comC Subject: Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?)i? Message-ID: <OF9024CDC1.0772F42A-ON85256D19.004F8E7A@metso.com>f  , This has likely been asked and answered, but  4 would someone please supply a DCL segment to produce  6 the difference of two date-times in delta-time format.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:22:52 -0400o& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>G Subject: Re: Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?) 2 Message-ID: <3EB13BCC.A132556F@clarityconnect.com>  Y http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/0094570A-F794F140-1C01E7.htmlb2 will get you this article from the askOpenVMS area? Example-DCL How To Compute Differences Between Two Dates/Times e   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > . > This has likely been asked and answered, but > 6 > would someone please supply a DCL segment to produce > 8 > the difference of two date-times in delta-time format.   -- rC Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYN0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or so- 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:03:59 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.comG Subject: Re: Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?)a? Message-ID: <OF56752381.4C57E1E3-ON85256D19.005DC0C9@metso.com>e  % I knew that. <sheepish grin>  Thanks.o  > From:  Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com> on 05/01/2003 11:22 AM  2 Please respond to Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:n  J Subject:    Re: Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?)    Y http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/0094570A-F794F140-1C01E7.htmlo  2 will get you this article from the askOpenVMS area> Example-DCL How To Compute Differences Between Two Dates/Times   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:n >X. > This has likely been asked and answered, but >86 > would someone please supply a DCL segment to produce >S8 > the difference of two date-times in delta-time format.   --J Jilly        - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYJ              - jilly@clarityconnect.com                                  - Brett Bodine fan!              - Mark.Jilson@hp.comk  - since 1975 or so (              - http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 10:42:17 +0200b) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)a% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questions) Message-ID: <v$3oN8b2nFzz@elias.decus.ch>n  w In article <01KVCE8R729UAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:t8 >> My LK201s have the little slide-in strips to indicate9 >> what the function keys do, and ESC corresponds to F11. 7 >> Apparently, you do not have one of these, so here's r >> the entire list:- >> 6 >> F1 = Hold Screen4 >> F2 = Print Screen l
 >> F3 = Setupe
 >> F5 = Break  >> F11 = ESC >> F12 = BSg >> F13 = LF. > J > IIRC, F11, F12 and F13 do not REALLY send ESC, BS and LF.  Rather, they G > send some codes which are interpreted by many VMS applications as if c > they were ESC, BS and LF.m  A You are correct. See http://vt100.net/docs/vt220-rm/table3-4.htmld   Also:i  D F6 = Interrupt (I've heard of folks using Superglue to disable that)1 F10 = CTRL/Z (I use this in preference to CTRL/Z)        -- s
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 10:45:41 +0200t) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) % Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questiond) Message-ID: <VA$J8ohGXljF@elias.decus.ch>m  a In article <3EAFD818.8FEF347F@uk.thalesgroup.com>, Paul Williams <flo@uk.thalesgroup.com> writes:e > Mike Duffy wrote:i >> n8 >> My LK201s have the little slide-in strips to indicate9 >> what the function keys do, and ESC corresponds to F11.  >  > [snip] >  >> F11 = ESC >> F12 = BSs >> F13 = LF  > H > A VT220 and VT320 will only send these controls when they are put intoE > VT100 mode, because the VT100 keyboard had dedicated keys for these  > three functions. > I But on a DECterm in the default VT300 mode, F12 and F13 work as describedo above, F11 doesn't.      -- y
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 07:45:07 -0500f; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)I% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard question 3 Message-ID: <AhtwzVGitSjh@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  ] In article <9k20bvc4fensf40caaaruilfqtvglpd442@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.nbet> writes: 8 > I have it plugged into a dec 3000 (alpha) running vms.& > tho the application is within telnet1 > so I have some question as to control-] becauser7 > that is usually the telnet escape key, which doesn't t > do me any good.H  F    The telnet escape key gets a telnet prompt, and should never be set!    to control-[, control-] is OK.f     D    Which key is the telnet escape key depends on which telnet you're;    using and how you use it.  I typically choose control-/.   B    Which telnet are you using (which IP stack do you have on VMS)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:59:05 -0400 " From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.nbet>% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard question 8 Message-ID: <ipg2bvsksq3ha3tfmbgfbfcgjll390keq4@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:55:41 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:v: >(NB: control-] may be a telnet "escape" character, but it< >is *NOT* an <ESCAPE>.  It is a <GS> character (Decimal 29).< ><ESC> is ctrl-[, decimal 27.  Most telnet clients allow you: >to set its "escape" character to whatever you want.  BTW,: >the default "escape" character in TCPWare's telnet client: >is ctrl-\, decimal value 28!  When vi wants an escape, it; >wants an <ESC>, i.e. decimal 27, ctrl-[.  When you need ton< >get the attention of your telnet client (i.e. get a TELNET>; >prompt so you can change settings, etc.), you need to typeeA >the telnet "escape" character, whatever it is currently set to.)f  = yep, just noticed the ctrl-[ vs ctrl-] difference (gotta read  carefully here).3 i dont use tcpware's stuff, i am a humble hobbyist.u  < >First, are you running VMS?  If not, step one is to upgrade
 >to VMS.  ;-)e  0 but of course, otherwise i wouldnt post here. :)D besides, running anything other than vms is just sacrilege anyhow ;)   >What version of VMS?e   openvms 7.2w  8 >Are you running DECwindows?  What version?  (If you are; >using it without DECWindows, then it is in dumb, glass TTY,= >mode.  I don't know how to make it do *anything* very usefulv9 >in this mode.  Certainly won't do anything that requireso >cursor positioning, etc.)  < DECwindows yes. with whatever the terminal is that starts up automatically.  > >Telnet is a terminal-based application.  The keyboard mapping8 >depends on the terminal emulator.  The best under these> >circumstances is DECTerm (running under DECWindows.)  I think( >xterm can also be coerced into working.  8 I use telnet because i'm too cheap to spring for tcpware or some other ssh package.6 I think it is decterm. its whatever comes with openvms under decwindows.n  ? >As I said before, in DECWindows, use the Keyboard... menu itemt: >(under the Options menu) to set up the keyboard mappings.  ; I'll take a look. I was going through the help set term andb show term stuff. silly me ;)  H >If by terminal settings, you mean the VMS "$ SET (or SHOW) TERMINAL..."/ >stuff, I don't think that's going to help you.   
 told ya so ;)3  @ >I would use DECterm unless there is a compelling reason not to.  ( i think i am. god damn i love vms heh ;)   B.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 04:20:58 -07009+ From: n8pvl@yahoo.com (Christopher Francis)f& Subject: TCP/IP Cluster Alias question= Message-ID: <7ea798ef.0305010320.3571ee32@posting.google.com>   E I have a cluster running VMS 7.3-1 with TCP/IP services. Each machine F has 2 network interface cards. The cluster sits on 2 IP subnets. I wasD wondering if it is possible to set up TCP/IP to have a cluster alias2 for each subnet that the computer was attached to.   For example:A The subnets are 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x. On the 192.168.1.x I8D would like users to be able to connect to the cluster alias DSPSRV1,@ and on the other subnet I would like then to connect to DSPSRV2.   Thanks for your help.0   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 05:34:20 PST: From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com.: Subject: Re: URGENT HELP REQD. : Problem in Ingres session( Message-ID: <NTF4dYBYaM+Q@cpva.saic.com>  ' In article <3EB07EF1.9704B7E3@fsi.net>,c4  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > Kunal wrote: >> k >> Hi, >> eJ >> In  trying to connect to an INGRES database thro' a VAX Pascal program,% >> I am getting the following error :n >> aK >> %SYSTEM-F-RADRMOD, reserved addressing fault at PC=00687128,PSL=03C00000I >> l >> The commands involved are  :  >> i  >> ##   Ingres    <DatabaseName>4 >> ##   SET LOCKMODE SESSION WHERE READLOCK = NOLOCK >>  D >> The database name is valid - I can't figure out what could be theJ >> problem or even what a reserved addressing fault means in this context. >> nI >> Could anyone please suggest what this error  means in this context, or G >> at least suggest a few things I might check up to figure out what iss >> going wrong ? > D > Well, this probably doesn't help much, but did you try looking at: >  > $ HELP/MESSAGE RADRMOD >   $ Maybe these code snippets will help?    8 %include 'ingres6$root:[ingres.files]eqsqlca.pas/nolist'     vart     dbname: string;e    	     begin        IIsqInit(%ref sqlca);h+       IIsqConnect(2,IIsd(%descr dbname),0);i	     end; h  	     beginw       IIsqInit(%ref sqlca);n#       IIxwritio(0,0,1,32,0,%stdescrf4       'set LOCKMODE SESSION where READLOCK=NOLOCK');       IIsyncup(0,0);	     end;    	     begin        IIsqInit(%ref sqlca);n9       IIxwritio(0,0,1,32,0,%stdescr 'set AUTOCOMMIT on');m       IIsyncup(0,0);	     end; y  	     beginf       IIsqInit(%ref sqlca);t       IIsqDisconnect;m	     end;     ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 09:23:26 +0200v) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)-N Subject: Re: [DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] What has happened to the DECNET_VERSION) Message-ID: <rnIN9+EUdFdc@elias.decus.ch>s  d In article <a98cd882.0304280516.937f530@posting.google.com>, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) writes:\ > p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<wYyb1laM3$JV@elias.decus.ch>...e >> In article <3eabed66$0$49113$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> writes:e >> > Paul Sture wrote: >>  	 >> <snip>h >> sM >> >> $ PRODUCT INSTALL DNVOSIECO02DEC AXPVMS DNVOSIECO02 V7.3-1: DECnet-Pluss" >>  V7.3-1 for OpenVMS Alpha ECO 2 >> >>n5 >> >>     Copyright 2003 Compaq Computer Corporation.  >> >>g= >> >> * This product does not have any configuration options.  >> >>t" >> >> Execution phase starting ... >> >>e= >> >> The following product will be installed to destination:lL >> >>     DEC AXPVMS DNVOSIECO02 V7.3-1          DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON.]L >> >> %PCSI-I-OBJSKP, file [SYSEXE]DNS$SERVER.EXE pertains to an option that) >>  was not selected; file update skippedh >> >>e  >> >> ^^^^^^??????? was ist das? >> > mH >> > DECdns is the naming service for DECnet-Plus. Up to VMS V7.3 DECdnsH >> > server was only available for VAX (or on Tru64 Unix). Starting withK >> > V7.3-1 it is on Alpha, too. If you install or upgrade DECnet-Plus, andyL >> > you accept the default configuration options, DECdns server will not be >> > installed.n >> cO >> Eh? This sounds awfully Windows like. Does that you mean that if I decide tosC >> change my configuration to use DECdns I have to reapply the ECO?o > F > That could be the case; I am not sure. However, reinstalling the ECOF > is definitely the smallest part of the effort. You will also have to > rename all your nodes! >   I An exercise for a rainy evening on my home system then (max 2 nodes). :-)u   >> > fH >> > Most sites use the Local name database in stead of DECdns. However,D >> > DECdns was one of big advantages of DECnet-Plus over DECnet IV,# >> > especially for large networks.k >> >  C Ah, this takes me back to my first encounter with DECnet/Plus, whenLF someone had presumably taken most of the docs home to study, and never returned them.     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 03 10:20:32 +0200-) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)0' Subject: Re: [GOOGLE] Missing article ?a) Message-ID: <OvRAHn3x0s03@elias.decus.ch>:  l In article <uKKra.89126$v62.940511@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:K > Four days ago i posted an article <Hxwqa.17751$v62.170443@news.chello.at>eJ > "[TCPIP V5.3 ECO2, DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] DHCP Client - Startup Phase"K > and got no answers so far. Seems surprising. So I googled and didn't findoB > this posting. Now, I'd like to ask, have you seen this posting ? >   # I got it here, via News.CIS.DFN.DE.    Here it is again, then:   O Subject: [TCPIP V5.3 ECO2, DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] DHCP Client - Startup Phasee# Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:17:11 GMTn6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Organization: OpenVMS Hobbyist, Vienna, AUSTRIAi' Newsgroups: comp.os.vms, de.comp.os.vms. Followup-To: comp.os.vms    M After some playing around with the DCHP Client, it seems that the DCHP Client-I of TCPIP doesn't work if started after DECnet (or LAT - DECnet compatible. addr).J Sounds strange as, until this, the mantra was to start DECnet before every other network software.l  H         Note: I mean DECnet-Plus. I don't know how Phase4 behaves there.3                 DN4 is gone here over a decade ago..  L DECnet is started automatically (in SYS$STARTUP:VMS$BASEENVIRON-050_VMS.COM)F while all other protocols have to be entered to the startup (SYSMAN or> SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM) by the customer/system manager.  F         Am I the only one who likes to see this changed and get DECnetH         treated like other products (means the sysmgr has to start it) ?  ) So, for the DCHP client, one option is tow9 1) define NET$IGNORE_DECNET in SYS$STARTUP:SYLOGICALS.COM 6 2) START/NET "TCP/IP" in SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM> 3) deassign NET$IGNORE_DECNET in SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM4 4) START/NET DECNET in SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMF 5) and maybe @SYS$STARTUP:LAT$STARTUP in SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM  E         Am I the only one who hates to do "TCP/IP" instead of TCPIP ?nE         Why not change it (in SYS$STARTUP:SYS$NET_SERVICES_TCPIP.COM)wE         or at least add a 2nd SET NETWORK command with TCPIP keyword.c   while the other is? 1) enter SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM in SYSMAN (CONFIG Phase)d   So, I choose the lattern  6         $ SYSMAN ST AD FI TCPIP$STARTUP.COM /PH=CONFIG   and all seems to work.  D Does anyone know a downside of this (obviously unsupported) config ?I Does anyone know of a way to start DCHP client after DECnet/LAT started ?hL Does anyone know of a supported&working cfg for this (besides above option)?C Does it make already sense, to change the mantra (eg. in VMS FAQ) ?.   TIAe   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERg% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   -- -
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