1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 02 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 241       Contents: Re: Active Telnet sessions Re: Active Telnet sessions, Re: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT). Re: Alpha FX32 could be itanium 32 bit kludge? Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ? P Bill Zeitler, head of IBM Server Systems Group:"Itanium does not have what it ta# creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos?  Demistify Backup Re: Demistify Backup. Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS * Re: For European hobbyists with a DS10 ...3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6  Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor? Re: HTML favourite editor?H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly Re: Is FX!32 still available? * Re: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1 Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRC Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRC Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRC> Re: Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?)< Re: Search engine for Decus L&T and Freeware disk content... Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question X25 Gateway  Re: X25 Gateway 5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:07:09 -0300 , From: Ben Armstrong <BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca># Subject: Re: Active Telnet sessions 3 Message-ID: <hndsa.51747$cB3.384042@nnrp1.uunet.ca>    Jack Peacock wrote: G > Environment is VMS 7.2-1H1, TCPIP V5.0A ECO 3.  There are seven users I > logged in with Telnet from PCs, and a SHOW DEV TN displays seven online L > devices. However, when I go to TCPIP and do a SHOW SERVICES/FULL TELNET it
 > displaysD > 44 active connections (limit set to 50).  What are all these extra3 > connections and how can I find out what they are?    Possibly relates to:  I WIS article on SYN attack signature - [TCP/IP] Inbound TELNET Connections  Fail Peroidically   L The article describes a DoS attack that fills up your pool of telnet socketsI with half-open connections.  They eventually timeout, but if you're under G constant attack, they can fill up as quickly as they timeout, making it ) impossible for users to login via telnet.   I It goes on to explain various ways of dealing with the problem, including J filtering out the attacker host(s)/network(s) and tuning of various sysgen or tcpip parameters.  > To see if there is a backlog on a the telnet listen BG device:   TCPIP SHOW DEVICE BG##/FULL   F Look at the QLIMIT to see how many connections are queued (i.e. are inG SYN-RCVD state).  If there are several queued, that may indicate you're 
 under attack.   L There are CERT articles that cover SYN attacks that should be fairly easy toH find.  All OSes that have telnet servers have to deal with this problem.  - Does this sound like it matches your problem?    Ben  --  G       Ben Armstrong                -.       Medianet Development Group, E       BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca         `-.    Dymaxion Research Limited H       <URL: http://www.dymaxion.ca/>    `-  Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:51:01 -0700* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com># Subject: Re: Active Telnet sessions 2 Message-ID: <2fOcnaBaAq475yyjXTWcoA@mpowercom.net>  9 "Ben Armstrong" <BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca> wrote in message - news:hndsa.51747$cB3.384042@nnrp1.uunet.ca...   K > WIS article on SYN attack signature - [TCP/IP] Inbound TELNET Connections  > Fail Peroidically  > / > Does this sound like it matches your problem?  > I Unfortunately it is a good fit to the situation.  It hasn't repeated this C week but now I know what to look for and can take some steps at the  firewall.  Thanks!    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:27:29 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> 5 Subject: Re: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? (going slightly OT) ( Message-ID: <3EB18331.5050907@rdrop.com>   Andrew Robinson wrote:K > I've found that by separating out the PCB & stacking all the layers (keys N > not removed) a domestic dishwasher will wash approx 6 keyboards at a time, &N > they look like new when re-assembled. Users are chuffed that they were worth > a brand new keyboard.   I You take 'em apart? I just stuff 'em in there... top rack, no detergent,  H air dry. The MS-Natual keyboard I'm typing on right now has been cycled $ through probably six or seven times.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:22:32 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> 7 Subject: Re: Alpha FX32 could be itanium 32 bit kludge? 5 Message-ID: <b8rol6$cagq6$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   2 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> schreef in bericht# news:3EB03929.8020201@vajhoej.dk...  > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > interesting ...  > > , > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9175 >  > Hm.  > + > Do you remember that FX!32 was a fiasco ?  >  > Arne > J Thanks for the warning Arne, but FX!32 allowed me to run Acrobat Reader on Alpha NT yesterday...    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:12:01 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?5 Message-ID: <b8ro1f$ccbvb$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   F We had a DECUS Europe symposium there. In 1998? Anyway the weather wasK better than in Cannes the year before. All I can remember is that Dublin is L a nice place to live. I spent a day touring through the country side and theK poverty was quite shocking. People actually lived (and perhaps still do) in F touring caravans on the sidewalk. Not a nice sight. The countryside isG beautiful, the beer is all right. If you do need the sun a lot then the  place is not for you though....   = "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> schreef in bericht : news:20030501174204.84674.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com... > Anyone here from Dublin ?  > * > A friend from Europe which works for IBM& > matched some jobs and asked me about* > going there ! As I dont have contacts in. > Ireland.... how is the life, cost of living, > Universities ? > * > I am not interested to go abroad just to- > work but to study (a Posgraduation Diploma) 
 > et al... > 	 > Regards  >  > FC >  > =====  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > $ > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?0 > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:17:47 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?@ Message-ID: <20030501181747.42507.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>   Hans  A I dont care about poverty ! I live in South America ! Worse than   here just in Africa !!!!    = I dont care about the sun too ! I just want a place in Europe 9 to go and to study if possible ! As my preferences are in B UK and Spain, and may be German because they have some educatoinal> programs in english - but I didn decide yet ! And I am gettingC older (31) to do some stundents stuff ! A 1-2 years contract should D be good for me ! I have dutch friends and brazilians friends workingA in NL (Oracle I believe)  but I never had interest to go there !     Regards    FC      . --- Hans Vlems <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:H > We had a DECUS Europe symposium there. In 1998? Anyway the weather wasM > better than in Cannes the year before. All I can remember is that Dublin is N > a nice place to live. I spent a day touring through the country side and theM > poverty was quite shocking. People actually lived (and perhaps still do) in H > touring caravans on the sidewalk. Not a nice sight. The countryside isI > beautiful, the beer is all right. If you do need the sun a lot then the ! > place is not for you though....  > ? > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> schreef in bericht < > news:20030501174204.84674.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com... > > Anyone here from Dublin ?  > > , > > A friend from Europe which works for IBM( > > matched some jobs and asked me about, > > going there ! As I dont have contacts in0 > > Ireland.... how is the life, cost of living, > > Universities ? > > , > > I am not interested to go abroad just to/ > > work but to study (a Posgraduation Diploma)  > > et al... > >  > > Regards  > >  > > FC > > 	 > > =====  > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > > & > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!?2 > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:43:34 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?5 Message-ID: <WFfsa.128418$v62.1322357@news.chello.at>   c In article <b8ro1f$ccbvb$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes: 0 >We had a DECUS Europe symposium there. In 1998?  # No, 1995. 1998 was Paris La Defense   K <                                                    Anyway the weather was ' >better than in Cannes the year before.   : Yes, Cannes was 1994 and it was raining the whole week ;-)O It was also expensive and way too many loud (and stinky) cars on the Croisette.   M >                                        All I can remember is that Dublin is M >a nice place to live. I spent a day touring through the country side and the L >poverty was quite shocking. People actually lived (and perhaps still do) inG >touring caravans on the sidewalk. Not a nice sight. The countryside is H >beautiful, the beer is all right. If you do need the sun a lot then the  >place is not for you though....  J I was shocked, too. At (VMS-Customer) GUINNESS it might be a nice place toI work, but Dublin itself quite surprised me (negatively). Some sightseeing I places like churches had been restored, but the houses around this church I were still devasted. And I saw a lot of people/children begging for money K (and maybe food). And even the sightseeing tour with the bus passed so many H old/broken houses on its way to some (very interesting) sites that I gotG a bad taste. It seems, the statement that Ireland is one of the poorest I countries in Europe is not really false. But to state something positive, H I get a good impression of the universities in Dublin and of the city ofC Dublin itself, and of the people there. Friendly and quite musical. E And finally I saw a burned down forest, so the so called green-island A (because of the frequent rainfalls) got too hot at least once ;-)   G I hope, the last decade got Ireland some improvements (maybe advantages  as a member of the EU).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:46:20 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?5 Message-ID: <wIfsa.128472$v62.1322780@news.chello.at>   q In article <20030501181747.42507.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: > >I dont care about the sun too ! I just want a place in Europe: >to go and to study if possible ! As my preferences are inC >UK and Spain, and may be German because they have some educatoinal ? >programs in english - but I didn decide yet ! And I am getting D >older (31) to do some stundents stuff ! A 1-2 years contract shouldE >be good for me ! I have dutch friends and brazilians friends working B >in NL (Oracle I believe)  but I never had interest to go there !   ? How about Portugal? It is a nice/warm country, friendly people. C But also one of the poorest countries in Europe. I don't know about E Universities, but the language problem would be non-existant there...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:02:43 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?@ Message-ID: <20030502010243.60476.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   Portugal !     Crowded of brazilians ! ! !   ; Would be better Spain but I would like a place where I can  # study and improve my english too !       Regards    FC    ; --- Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote: H > In article <20030501181747.42507.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio, > Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:@ > >I dont care about the sun too ! I just want a place in Europe< > >to go and to study if possible ! As my preferences are inE > >UK and Spain, and may be German because they have some educatoinal A > >programs in english - but I didn decide yet ! And I am getting F > >older (31) to do some stundents stuff ! A 1-2 years contract shouldG > >be good for me ! I have dutch friends and brazilians friends working D > >in NL (Oracle I believe)  but I never had interest to go there !  > A > How about Portugal? It is a nice/warm country, friendly people. E > But also one of the poorest countries in Europe. I don't know about G > Universities, but the language problem would be non-existant there...  >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist     =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 02:39:06 GMT % From: Milton <mbhewitt@optonline.net> Y Subject: Bill Zeitler, head of IBM Server Systems Group:"Itanium does not have what it ta 8 Message-ID: <hfm3bvsppe0adglpvpankr8no2st9bp90b@4ax.com>  f http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1051389612222   Draw your own conclusions      Cheers,  Milton   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:43:39 -0400 ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> , Subject: creating licenses for my own demos?8 Message-ID: <5ot3bvcs5drpipbsuvhipu5c1ne2rtbn5e@4ax.com>  + ok, I'm a vms hobbyist, with no money. hehe ( I have some applications I'm developing,# and want to give out demo licenses. 0 with like real vms type license checking because? there are too many naughty people out there (thats a joke, son)    so is there any way to do this? ; i guess i need some sort of util to gen my own license keys  for my product.   & is there a hobbyist solution for this?   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 01:55:41 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?/ Message-ID: <3EB1D01D.17128.127DADF6@localhost>   & On 2 May 2003 at 0:43, Beyonder wrote:= > i guess i need some sort of util to gen my own license keys  > for my product.   B If you join HP's DSPP program, there's probably some way to get a B PAKGEN license.  I was able to get the appropriate PAKGEN license ' back during the Compaq era.  Good luck!   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 14:02:10 -0700 " From: dmdunyan@hotmail.com (DougD) Subject: Demistify Backup = Message-ID: <ad98f1e9.0305011302.38cbee8a@posting.google.com>    Okay - I'm lost ....4 Brand new tape, put in port 0 of msl5000 series load   $robot move port 0 slot 20 (good) $robot load drive 0 slot 20 = (tape with a barcode of 70000 loaded to drive 0.  Still good)  $allocate $2$mga2: (still good)( Init/over=(access,expir) $2$mga2: BCKUP1 (still good): $ backup/list=dsa2.bak/image/ignore=(Inter,Label,Noback) -  dsa2:  $2$mga2:dsa2.bck     </BOLD> It Starts here!</BOLD>  & Show dev $2$mga2: from another session; shows Drive goes into mountverify, then WrongVolume status?   ; After a short time, the session with allocated drive reads: 5 %BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on $2$mga2:[]dsa2.bck 0 -SYSTEM-F-VOLINV, volume is not software enabled %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC< %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested( (no operator available) quit or continue  D continue gives the same error....only option is quit...and it aborts  . Is it me, or is something really wrong here...   --lost in tape land    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:37:47 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz  Subject: Re: Demistify Backup % Message-ID: <3eb1bd92.100097903@news>   A On 1 May 2003 14:02:10 -0700, dmdunyan@hotmail.com (DougD) wrote:    >Okay - I'm lost .... 5 >Brand new tape, put in port 0 of msl5000 series load  >  >$robot move port 0 slot 20  >(good)  >$robot load drive 0 slot 20> >(tape with a barcode of 70000 loaded to drive 0.  Still good) >$allocate $2$mga2: 
 >(still good) ) >Init/over=(access,expir) $2$mga2: BCKUP1 
 >(still good) ; >$ backup/list=dsa2.bak/image/ignore=(Inter,Label,Noback) -  > dsa2:  $2$mga2:dsa2.bck  >  ></BOLD> It Starts here!</BOLD>  > ' >Show dev $2$mga2: from another session < >shows Drive goes into mountverify, then WrongVolume status? > < >After a short time, the session with allocated drive reads:6 >%BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on $2$mga2:[]dsa2.bck1 >-SYSTEM-F-VOLINV, volume is not software enabled  >%BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC = >%BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested ) >(no operator available) quit or continue  > E >continue gives the same error....only option is quit...and it aborts  > / >Is it me, or is something really wrong here...   D Nope, something is wrong. My guess is that it's either a dud tape or% the tape device needs some attention.  >  >--lost in tape land   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:24:21 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <03050118242157@antinode.org>   A    I set up an AlpSta 200 4/233 for this recently.  My OS_TYPE is E "UNIX", but I don't know if anyone cares.  I also found it helpful to D link [SYSA] to [SYS0], so I could leave boot_osflags at "a" for both operating systems:  %    set default sys$sysdevice:[000000] &    set file /enter = sysa.dir sys0.dir  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode,org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 19:39:10 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS5 Message-ID: <b8rt4u$curcf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ) In article <3EB1734E.7BBDE0C3@istop.com>, - 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  > "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote:K >> reverse bit order... Are you asked DPD why you need to bay MT modems for . >> ~300$ instead of USR for ~50$? And so on... > J > You get what you pay for. A few years ago, I had problems with a user unP > england dialing into my machine in Montreal. We both had multitech modems, and? > it had worked flawlesly for a year before suddently stopping.  > P > Multitech called into my vax, and had me do magic incantations on the modem toL > pull out all sorts of statistics on line quality etc etc (and they did theN > same). They then called my client in england to do the same and then had theN > client call me and then send the "logs" to multitech. They then sent him and > updated ROM. > 8 > I suspect the telcos did something to overseas calls.  > K > Buit I would have never gotten any support from USR for the $50 modem.  I   K I have never had a problem getting support (and even updated firmware roms) G for USR Modems.  Been using them almost exclusively now for at least 10  years.  M > bought a USR once, it didn't stay plugged in long. It was unable to support P > dial-in and dial-out properly (for dial-in, you don't want the modems to issueC > messages such as "CONNECT 9600", but for dial-out you need those.   F Use them for both here.  It's up to the software that does the dialoutG to change the mode of the modem if necessary.  That's the nature of the H Hayes Command Set.  It was different when we had real calling units with2 out of band signalling for dialing the phone.  :-)   > N > People underestimate the time needed to PROPERLY install a modem. I was at aI > customer ones who have bought Hayes modems (yep, the real ones !). They M > plugged it into their old DG machine and did one test and said "it works".   > M > I said "hold on a minute, let me try". I used my PDA to dial in at 110 baud O > and then tryied to display a long file with known patterns/columns. It didn't G > take long for the flow control problem to surface. The folks coudln't P > understand where the problem was, and I had to explain to them that the DG wasO > still talking to the modem at 19200 while the modem-modem connection was only I > at 110 so the modem on the DG side had to be able to do flow control to  > throttle the DG down.   K All of my USR's do flow control.  That sounds more like the DG not handling 
 flow control.    > O > I also had done some work for a pharmaceutical firm which had installed a few J > modems for dial-in support. I quickly found out that they had the modemsM > configured to force CD/DSR "ON" which means that when the line hung up, the M > modem didn't signal to the VAX that the line was dropped, so the VAX didn't N > kill the process. As a result, the next person to dial into that modem would@ > simply get back into the process without any Username: prompt.  D And how is someone setting up the modem wrong the fault of the modem< manufacturer??  All my $50 USR modems handle that just fine.  B The argument "You get what you pay for" hasn't been true since theD advent of Microsoft.  Frequently cheaper is better.  USR modems haveC proven to be some of the easiest to setup and use and most reliable E modems we have ever had.  And we have gone through a lot of them from  1200 baud on up.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:19:48 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS) Message-ID: <3EB1734E.7BBDE0C3@istop.com>    "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote:J > reverse bit order... Are you asked DPD why you need to bay MT modems for- > ~300$ instead of USR for ~50$? And so on...   H You get what you pay for. A few years ago, I had problems with a user unN england dialing into my machine in Montreal. We both had multitech modems, and= it had worked flawlesly for a year before suddently stopping.   N Multitech called into my vax, and had me do magic incantations on the modem toJ pull out all sorts of statistics on line quality etc etc (and they did theL same). They then called my client in england to do the same and then had theL client call me and then send the "logs" to multitech. They then sent him and updated ROM.  6 I suspect the telcos did something to overseas calls.   I Buit I would have never gotten any support from USR for the $50 modem.  I K bought a USR once, it didn't stay plugged in long. It was unable to support N dial-in and dial-out properly (for dial-in, you don't want the modems to issueA messages such as "CONNECT 9600", but for dial-out you need those.   L People underestimate the time needed to PROPERLY install a modem. I was at aG customer ones who have bought Hayes modems (yep, the real ones !). They K plugged it into their old DG machine and did one test and said "it works".    K I said "hold on a minute, let me try". I used my PDA to dial in at 110 baud M and then tryied to display a long file with known patterns/columns. It didn't E take long for the flow control problem to surface. The folks coudln't N understand where the problem was, and I had to explain to them that the DG wasM still talking to the modem at 19200 while the modem-modem connection was only G at 110 so the modem on the DG side had to be able to do flow control to  throttle the DG down.   M I also had done some work for a pharmaceutical firm which had installed a few H modems for dial-in support. I quickly found out that they had the modemsK configured to force CD/DSR "ON" which means that when the line hung up, the K modem didn't signal to the VAX that the line was dropped, so the VAX didn't L kill the process. As a result, the next person to dial into that modem would> simply get back into the process without any Username: prompt.  I Heck, even Datapac (X.25 in canada) had that problem when they rolled out H their 2400 baud modems. Got into a stock trading program once. And their) problem reporting site didn't believe me.   M Sorry, but my experience with modems is such that spending the extra bucks to F get a real modem and documentation and support is often well worth it.  N Here is another example: when i had setup my cable connection with my previousM ISP, they supplied a cheap modem that had no LAN side interface. You couldn't L even ping it. I spent weeks trying to figure out why I couldn't get service,: including tearing off the HUB (the ISP suspected the HUB).  M I knew I could see (ARP) traffic coming from modem, but I couldn't prove that J the modem was getting my packets because the modem had no interface (http, telnet or even just ping).  N In the end, it was an ISP configuration problem and they had blamed my lan allJ along.This happened twice and both times, it took about 3 weeks to resolveN with those civil servants. All that because the modem was el-cheapo and didn't offer LAN side testing.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:44:07 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS0 Message-ID: <00A1F380.FB71A15F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <3EB1734E.7BBDE0C3@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >"Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote: K >> reverse bit order... Are you asked DPD why you need to bay MT modems for . >> ~300$ instead of USR for ~50$? And so on... > I >You get what you pay for. A few years ago, I had problems with a user un O >england dialing into my machine in Montreal. We both had multitech modems, and > >it had worked flawlesly for a year before suddently stopping. > O >Multitech called into my vax, and had me do magic incantations on the modem to K >pull out all sorts of statistics on line quality etc etc (and they did the M >same). They then called my client in england to do the same and then had the M >client call me and then send the "logs" to multitech. They then sent him and 
 >updated ROM.   L Nice story... I have a MT modem here.  When I called MT support about a yearL (maybe more) they asked me what OS I was using to talk to the modem.  When IL mentioned VMS, I was told that it was not a supported operating system and IK was subsequently told that they would not/could not provide me any support.   L Yeap, another good company assimilated into the "we must defend that Redmond@ Company at all costs even to the detriment of our own" mindset.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 20:26:55 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS5 Message-ID: <b8rvuf$d4ujk$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   0 In article <00A1F384.2B3E0DB8@sendspamhere.org>,# 	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: f > In article <b8rt4u$curcf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > {...snip...}D >>The argument "You get what you pay for" hasn't been true since theF >>advent of Microsoft.  Frequently cheaper is better.  USR modems have > L > You don't really believe that?  A Micro$oft OS is less expensive than say * > VMS and therefore better than say VMS?    B I was commenting on the high cost of Microsoft products as related@ to their quality.  As compared to FreeBSD and it's price/qualityD ratio.  Sadly, VMS isn't even in the running any more when comparingC common everyday products.  Niche products are always more expensive * and your paying for the lack of marketing.  J >                                         Are you sure that there isn't anL > old NJ Zinc mine nearby you leaching zinc, lead or other heavy metals into > you water supply?   B I keep telling people that no one can even find Scranton on a map,@ but the locals all tell me I'm nuts.  The nearest point of NJ toD us is 60 miles away.  That would have to be one heck of a Zinc mine.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:06:56 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS0 Message-ID: <00A1F384.2B3E0DB8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <b8rt4u$curcf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: {...snip...}C >The argument "You get what you pay for" hasn't been true since the E >advent of Microsoft.  Frequently cheaper is better.  USR modems have   J You don't really believe that?  A Micro$oft OS is less expensive than say H VMS and therefore better than say VMS?  Are you sure that there isn't anJ old NJ Zinc mine nearby you leaching zinc, lead or other heavy metals into you water supply?    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 16:08:44 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS3 Message-ID: <OLGw76pnUrmC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <b8rvuf$d4ujk$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > D > I keep telling people that no one can even find Scranton on a map,B > but the locals all tell me I'm nuts.  The nearest point of NJ toF > us is 60 miles away.  That would have to be one heck of a Zinc mine.  E    Must be CO from the underground fires in all those old coal mines. G    (My sister used to live near one of the vents east of Wilkes Barre.)    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 21:28:41 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS5 Message-ID: <b8s3i9$d9613$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   3 In article <OLGw76pnUrmC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:b > In article <b8rvuf$d4ujk$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> kE >> I keep telling people that no one can even find Scranton on a map, C >> but the locals all tell me I'm nuts.  The nearest point of NJ tonG >> us is 60 miles away.  That would have to be one heck of a Zinc mine." > G >    Must be CO from the underground fires in all those old coal mines.rI >    (My sister used to live near one of the vents east of Wilkes Barre.)   G I think the only one we had may have burned itself out.  I haven't beenaL over in that direction for a long time (It's the site of the Giant's DespairK Hill Climb, but I don;t mistreat my sports cars that way any more.) It used H to be funny to drive the road inthe middle o winter when everything elseG was under a foot of snow and that road was clear and dry!!  Hmmm.  LetseE see...  The burning culm bank in Carbondale is gone too.  I guess thedF nearest one now is Centralia which I think is still burning.  At least it's not Love Canal.....   bill   -- sJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:48:25 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS0 Message-ID: <00A1F3A3.1C3D13E3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <b8rvuf$d4ujk$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:1 >In article <00A1F384.2B3E0DB8@sendspamhere.org>,r$ >	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:g >> In article <b8rt4u$curcf$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:y >> {...snip...}eE >>>The argument "You get what you pay for" hasn't been true since theyG >>>advent of Microsoft.  Frequently cheaper is better.  USR modems havea >> eM >> You don't really believe that?  A Micro$oft OS is less expensive than say -+ >> VMS and therefore better than say VMS?  - > C >I was commenting on the high cost of Microsoft products as relatednA >to their quality.  As compared to FreeBSD and it's price/qualityhE >ratio.  Sadly, VMS isn't even in the running any more when comparingoD >common everyday products.  Niche products are always more expensive+ >and your paying for the lack of marketing.T >iK >>                                         Are you sure that there isn't anRM >> old NJ Zinc mine nearby you leaching zinc, lead or other heavy metals intoh >> you water supply? > C >I keep telling people that no one can even find Scranton on a map,sA >but the locals all tell me I'm nuts.  The nearest point of NJ toEE >us is 60 miles away.  That would have to be one heck of a Zinc mine.k  G Strangely enough, most of NJ Zinc's operations were in Pa.  Take a lookeE at the history of Palmerton, Pa.   A google search of Palmerton +zinciD should provide some hints.  The NJ Zinc Co. is where my grandfather  amassed his fortune.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMu            r5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:48:53 GMTd From: dittman@dittman.net 3 Subject: Re: For European hobbyists with a DS10 ...e8 Message-ID: <FSesa.32926$B61.20989@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  + Island <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> wrote: N > We are selling the original ATi 7500 64MB PCI Card which has DVI and VGA out= > 5 Year warranty AND we can ship to the EU for less than $25o > + > WE have them in stock - in large quantityi > K > Our price has just dropped to $150 FYI - but it is an original retail box  > version !v  - Have you tried the ATI card in an EV5 system?  -- ` Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:49:36 -0400-* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6) Message-ID: <3EB1EAD0.DE1229DB@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:BG > Maybe Blackmore, Gorham, or Marcello can give us some clues as to how>B > prominently VMS will be featured in this Enterprise extravaganza
 > webcast?  J Has it ever occured to you that the above persons amy be totally happy andI comfortable with the current levels of exposure of VMS and think that VMStL loyalists like us who "demand" such a silly thing as exposure, marketing etc6 are just plain silly and know nothing about business ?    L Air Canada is faltering. Yet, banks are now fighting for the very profitableB credit card business associated with the Frequent flyer programme.  N It woudl have been nice if, during Compaq's flatering days, if other companiesG had been fighting to take VMS away from Compaq. Unfortunatly, it didn'ts' happen. Dreams don't always come alive.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:34:23 -0400a0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor?e$ Message-ID: <3eafed07$1@news.si.com>  @ >On a PC, a shareware text editor called TEXTPAD, available from >http://www.textpad.com/  F Many people using PCs like "1st Page 2000", one of pricelessware.org's6 freeware picks.  See http://www.evrsoft.com/1stpage/ . --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.eD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991e8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:30:39 -0400t0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor?e$ Message-ID: <3eafec27$1@news.si.com>  D >On VMS: any editor is fine. Has anyone customized LSE for HTML? :-)  A Yes, and HP includes my HTML language as part of the LSE (DECset)  distributionK (SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.LSE]HTML.LSE).  Granted, it's not HTML V4, butg" it works for most non-glitzy jobs. -- iI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comr5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.rD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991d8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:01:04 -0400 (EDT)+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>r# Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor?eI Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.53L-031.0305012259050.10671@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>h  F ok, its almost obligatory, but, in all seriousness, my favorite editor for html is vi. 4 *ducks behind a unix-running VAX for protection* [1] Isildurw  6 [1]yes, i really am sitting next to a unix-running VAX    ) On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Brian Tillman wrote:n  B > >On a PC, a shareware text editor called TEXTPAD, available from > >http://www.textpad.com/ > H > Many people using PCs like "1st Page 2000", one of pricelessware.org's8 > freeware picks.  See http://www.evrsoft.com/1stpage/ . > --K > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. F > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991i: >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >- >  >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:45:17 -0400y* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com># Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor?.) Message-ID: <3EB1E9CD.A44EF7B0@istop.com>s   Lord Isildur wrote:o > H > ok, its almost obligatory, but, in all seriousness, my favorite editor > for html is vi.h6 > *ducks behind a unix-running VAX for protection* [1]  N Your VAX returns to its VMS roots and orders its fast spinning drives to ejectN and decapitate you. Hiding behind a vax when making such heretic statements isG just as dangerous as standing up in a VMS newsgroup and proclaiming thet satanic verses of "vi".    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:18:32 GMT ) From: jchausler <jchausler@earthlink.net>eQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolye- Message-ID: <3EB18178.C1E53CFC@earthlink.net>n   Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote:a  4 > In article <6hNpsnsk8joS@eisner.encompasserve.org>H >            koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org "Bob Koehler" writes: > G > >    Concrete shipos they were in use during WWII, and concrete boatsr9 > >    are still built and raced by various universities.  >iE > Back in the 1950s, when the Port of London was the area immediatelyuJ > around Tower Bridge, there used to be a lot of lighterage plying its wayG > back and forth to the larger ships in the various docks.  ISTR seeing0G > quite a number of these constructed of what looked just like standardDK > reinforced concrete (where the odd piece had been chipped off, presumablyeF > in a collision, one could see the rusting reinforcing rods exposed).  0 These days they call it "ferro-cement" and "home2 builders" have been known to use it to build their/ dream sailboat.  If done well it makes a sturdyd5 ship but their resale value (or is that resail) tends - to be quite low due somewhat to the fact that=, they typically are "home built" and thus the# quality of construction is unknown.n  - When I was in London in the mid 80's I recall / visiting this area which at the time was more a_. harbor for pleasure boats and was being turned2 into an "entertainment district".  I recall eating- dinner in some restaurant/pub which was in an=. old building along with other touristy things.  % What's going on with this area today?B   Chrisa AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE= $$   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:20:49 GMT ) From: Larry Jones <scjones@thor.sdrc.com> Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly39 Message-ID: <5aqr8b.2p6.ln@cvg-65-27-189-87.cinci.rr.com>A   jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > @ > To become an expert, one does need to spend years and years in> > an area.  Programming these days spends so much time getting, > swapped in and out, nothing gets improved.  D A specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less/ until he or she knows everything about nothing.   D A generalist, on the other hand, learns less and less about more and4 more until he or she knows nothing about everything.   -Larry Jones  < Hello, I'm wondering if you sell kegs of dynamite. -- Calvin   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 22:20:54 GMT ) From: Larry Jones <scjones@thor.sdrc.com>nQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyy9 Message-ID: <1l0s8b.mah.ln@cvg-65-27-189-87.cinci.rr.com>l  - Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk> wrote:a >c7 > Skills in oenotechnology[1] will always be useful :-)    I'll drink to that!h   -Larry Jones  > That's one of the remarkable things about life.  It's never so& bad that it can't get worse. -- Calvin   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 22:20:54 GMT ) From: Larry Jones <scjones@thor.sdrc.com> Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyo9 Message-ID: <os0s8b.mah.ln@cvg-65-27-189-87.cinci.rr.com>   + Morten Reistad <mrr@reistad.priv.no> wrote:o >n? > Linus Thorvalds is doing this very well too; but his model is < > to have several "Umbrella/Sidekick" persons, one for everyC > major field.This seems a novel structure in software development.t@ > He may have an advantage my having his name on the front cover	 > though.D  6 And what an advantage that is.  Just ask Peter Norton.   -Larry Jones  8 He just doesn't want to face up to the fact that I'll be" the life of every party. -- Calvin   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:15:04 GMTe/ From: "Don Chiasson" <don_chiasson@notmail.com>mQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolywH Message-ID: <YThsa.60945$w7k.41564@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  6 "Larry Jones" <scjones@thor.sdrc.com> wrote in message3 news:5aqr8b.2p6.ln@cvg-65-27-189-87.cinci.rr.com...0 > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >eB > > To become an expert, one does need to spend years and years in@ > > an area.  Programming these days spends so much time getting. > > swapped in and out, nothing gets improved. >wF > A specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less1 > until he or she knows everything about nothing.p >eF > A generalist, on the other hand, learns less and less about more and6 > more until he or she knows nothing about everything. >c  G The two are similar functions, the former being a Dirac delta function. A You might integrate to determine a measure of total intelligence.dD With proper scaling, the intelligence of the two types are equal. InC my opinion both types are fools whose intelligence approaches zero. H I've known both types. True intelligence lies in having a balanced view.   ---Don e-mail: it's not not, it's hot..   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:49:25 +0000 (UTC), From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyE% Message-ID: <1051830680snz@dsl.co.uk>s  , In article <3EB18178.C1E53CFC@earthlink.net>6            jchausler@earthlink.net "jchausler" writes:   [Port of London]  / > When I was in London in the mid 80's I recallf1 > visiting this area which at the time was more ai0 > harbor for pleasure boats and was being turned4 > into an "entertainment district".  I recall eating/ > dinner in some restaurant/pub which was in anr0 > old building along with other touristy things.  C Quite possibly Butler's Wharf, nowadays a fancy (and very expensiveeI restaurant [owned by Terence Conran, IIRC]).  It was a quayside warehouseb, on one of the docks nearest to Tower Bridge.  H Oddly enough, I've eaten there myself.  Back in 1956, when the Magga DanE sailed from there with the main contingent of the Commonwealth Trans-nD Antarctic Expedition, there was an official reception, with PrincessF Margaret doing the "waving goodbye" on behalf of her sister.  Since myE step-father was the chief pilot for this expedition, I attended (as aiG child).  They hid the squalor of the warehouse by erecting a marquee[1]nD inside of it, so the ambience for the meal was just like attending a> fancy wedding, or a trade show (at Farnborough, for instance).  ' > What's going on with this area today?   H Yuppified; frequented by all those employed at places like Canary Wharf, etc.  I [1] BrEnglish: a large tent (not AmEnglish: a signboard outside a theatre  or cinema).@   -- eM Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uktF     "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would.  Yet we are@     untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them".M                                               George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919Y   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:55:40 -0500.& From: ararghNOSPAM@NOT.AT.enteract.comQ Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyj8 Message-ID: <ivc3bvop3uk72odrpf71e8sqtvch3bv893@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 01 May 2003 22:20:54 GMT, Larry Jones <scjones@thor.sdrc.com>p wrote:  . >Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk> wrote: >>8 >> Skills in oenotechnology[1] will always be useful :-) >r >I'll drink to that! > 
 >-Larry Jonesi >n? >That's one of the remarkable things about life.  It's never so3' >bad that it can't get worse. -- Calvinn   Where is the [1]?n     -- s@ Arargh at [drop the 'http://www.' from ->] http://www.arargh.comC Basic Compiler Samples Page: http://www.arargh.com/basic/basic.htmlm  B To reply by email, change the domain name, and remove the garbage.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:15:07 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>o& Subject: Re: Is FX!32 still available?5 Message-ID: <b8ro7c$d70n0$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>o  4 "Milton" <mbhewitt@optonline.net> schreef in bericht2 news:9hc1bvcqhdpj8t5ci7g9ocaov5b9o8qdep@4ax.com...H > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:49:36 +0200, "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> > wrote: >:H > >I put NT 4 on my white box Alpha (it was once designed for that fate,I > >right). It would be nice to run Word on it as well. Which brings me tom thet2 > >question: where can I find and download FX!32 ? > , > I'm not 100% sure, but I think this is it.9 > ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/alphaserver/nt/fx32v1-5.exet >e >p	 > Cheers,K > Milton  I Thank you Milton: that worked for me. On a German site I found FX!32 V1.1tF (perhaps the beta relase of 1.1), so 1.5 will have some bugs and other problems ironed out.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 22:01:28 -0700: From: sam@ratex.dk (Sam)3 Subject: Re: linkcount set at 0 when it should be 1 < Message-ID: <d1111de.0305012101.42e6f96f@posting.google.com>  	 Hi Folks.j  E Its is a 2 node Alpha cluster OpenVMS 7.3-1 with all relevant patches.C up to date. And ODS-5 and hard links are enabled. I did not use anyf
 the hard link 
 features yet.m   Kind regards Samg  4 Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message  > B > Are we to guess here it is ODS-5? "Hard links enabled"? What VMSI > version? Using (or have been using) relevant required patches? What did=" > HELP/MESSAGE LINKCOUNT tell you? > E > Nic's psychic self-help bureau, first consultation free, additionalh > cynicism charged extra.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:36:37 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRCa? Message-ID: <VOdsa.2043$3f7.1793154@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>    Brad,e  I Thanks for you patience.  The "product" has been rolled out for some timenG for the other HP products.  The previously Compaqed products are slowlyeJ being added.  The extreme slowness that hit between 9-11 Eastern time thisH morning has been reported and is being investigated.  This not a OpenVMSL Forum slowness specifically, but impacted the entire forum (and ITRC?) site.   Todd  A "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in message ) news:dHcsa.689563$3D1.383579@sccrnsc01...hL > In article <C2dsa.2033$3f7.1782404@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> writes:  > >      Hello All....F > >      Welcome to the new ITRC Forums area for discussions around HP OpenVMS.L > >This new area was created at the request of many HP customers, as well as( > >long time members of the ITRC Forums. > <snip> >c@ > Aplogies for my previous post - apparently, the web server was non-responsiveL > for several minutes, before allowing me to complete my registration.  I am now , > registered, and will check out the forums. >o > >      Todd Maurer > >      OpenVMS Support > >t > >o >eC > _________________________________________________________________k0 > Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"0 > bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm "Lose the MAPS"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:08:36 GMTc4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRCt. Message-ID: <Eodsa.451303$Zo.102994@sccrnsc03>  j In article <VOdsa.2043$3f7.1793154@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> writes: >Brad, >nJ >Thanks for you patience.  The "product" has been rolled out for some timeH >for the other HP products.  The previously Compaqed products are slowlyK >being added.  The extreme slowness that hit between 9-11 Eastern time thissI >morning has been reported and is being investigated.  This not a OpenVMS M >Forum slowness specifically, but impacted the entire forum (and ITRC?) site., >  >Todd  <snip>  N Thanks - I guess I picked a bad day to try it.  I've been trying to post for a; while now - I guess I'll just give up and try later...		:-)-  A _________________________________________________________________e0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:35:39 GMTe! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzi' Subject: Re: OpenVMS Now on the HP ITRCj$ Message-ID: <3eb1bcf1.99936210@news>  D I'll keep an eye on it. It'll be interesting to see if it gathers up( any folk who do not use the News Groups.  / I've used the forums with mixed results so far.:    D On Thu, 01 May 2003 17:45:06 GMT, "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote:   >      Hello All.... >5M >      Welcome to the new ITRC Forums area for discussions around HP OpenVMS.mJ >This new area was created at the request of many HP customers, as well as& >long time members of the ITRC Forums. >wM >      The ITRC Forums have been extremely successful in the development of axF >dynamic community in other areas, such as HP-UX, Management Software,K >Servers, and Storage. With your help, this new OpenVMS community area willc4 >be just as dynamic and beneficial to other members. >eK >      If you need assistance, you can always contact hp using the links ona< >the left sidebar, or read more information on the forums atb >http://itrc.hp.com/estaff/bin/doc.pl/sid=0d7bbb981a7047305f/screen=estaffAssistance?Page=file0002 >  >      Enjoy the new area! >i >      Best Regards,
 >      Dan >      Forums ManagereK >  I'm inviting everyone to visit, register and use the new HP ITRC OpenVMSg >Forum.o >,M >  Below is the welcome message from the brand new HP ITRC forum for OpenVMS.oJ >Access to the forum is free.  The forum is moderated and monitored by theL >OpenVMS Customer Support Teams.  However the forum is designed as a peer to >peer resource.h >o >      Todd Maurer >      OpenVMS Support >e >    ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 19:44 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) G Subject: Re: Request for DCL difference between two date-times (again?) , Message-ID: <1MAY200319441920@gerg.tamu.edu>    norm.raphael@metso.com writes...& }I knew that. <sheepish grin>  Thanks.  E That proceedure is very inefficient - it guesses and adjusts if wrongi until it gets it right.a  C Here is a post a made a while back with a routine that doesn't justy: guess. Fix the line break in the URL before tyring to use:  9 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm= n) 24OCT200120591718%40gerg.tamu.edu&rnum=11T  G It calculates the modified julian date of the two and works from there.n   --- Carl  ? }From:  Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com> on 05/01/2003 11:22 AM- } Z }http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/0094570A-F794F140-1C01E7.html } 3 }will get you this article from the askOpenVMS areao? }Example-DCL How To Compute Differences Between Two Dates/Timesr }  }norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: }>/ }> This has likely been asked and answered, bute }>7 }> would someone please supply a DCL segment to producee }>9 }> the difference of two date-times in delta-time format.  }  }-- K }Jilly        - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYoK }             - jilly@clarityconnect.com                                  -    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:34:26 -0400U0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>E Subject: Re: Search engine for Decus L&T and Freeware disk content...m$ Message-ID: <3eafd0ea$1@news.si.com>  & >Anyway, you can get to the engine at: > ! >    http://freeware.acornsw.com/. >    http://decus.acornsw.com/ 'RJ Over the course of the last several weeks I have tried to access this site5 several time and every attempt results in a time out.u -- lI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.lD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991t8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 1 May 2003 13:29:44 -05004; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler):% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard question73 Message-ID: <N28RLfaYX+Hx@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  ] In article <ipg2bvsksq3ha3tfmbgfbfcgjll390keq4@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.nbet> writes:U  5 > i dont use tcpware's stuff, i am a humble hobbyist.   '    IIRC tcpware has a hobbyist license.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:51:10 -0600,% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>r% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questioncA Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030501125049.020a1978@raptor.psccos.com>   ( At 12:29 PM 5/1/2003, Bob Koehler wrote:C >In article <ipg2bvsksq3ha3tfmbgfbfcgjll390keq4@4ax.com>, Beyonder   ><beyonder@vrx.nbet> writes: >n7 > > i dont use tcpware's stuff, i am a humble hobbyist.i >h) >    IIRC tcpware has a hobbyist license.   < Both TCPware and MultiNet are indeed available to hobbyists.     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:51:44 GMTo4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questionl- Message-ID: <41esa.694471$F1.92069@sccrnsc04>   q In article <N28RLfaYX+Hx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ^ >In article <ipg2bvsksq3ha3tfmbgfbfcgjll390keq4@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.nbet> writes: >c6 >> i dont use tcpware's stuff, i am a humble hobbyist. >e( >   IIRC tcpware has a hobbyist license. >   " It does, and it works well for me.  A _________________________________________________________________n0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:13:36 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questionn5 Message-ID: <1030502000427.2697A-100000@Ives.egh.com>c  # On Thu, 1 May 2003, Beyonder wrote::  G > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:55:41 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:r< > >(NB: control-] may be a telnet "escape" character, but it> > >is *NOT* an <ESCAPE>.  It is a <GS> character (Decimal 29).> > ><ESC> is ctrl-[, decimal 27.  Most telnet clients allow you< > >to set its "escape" character to whatever you want.  BTW,< > >the default "escape" character in TCPWare's telnet client< > >is ctrl-\, decimal value 28!  When vi wants an escape, it= > >wants an <ESC>, i.e. decimal 27, ctrl-[.  When you need tod> > >get the attention of your telnet client (i.e. get a TELNET>= > >prompt so you can change settings, etc.), you need to typeeC > >the telnet "escape" character, whatever it is currently set to.)  > ? > yep, just noticed the ctrl-[ vs ctrl-] difference (gotta readt > carefully here).5 > i dont use tcpware's stuff, i am a humble hobbyist.   A TCPWARE (and MULTINET) are both available for free to hobbyist's.l@ (I have TCPWARE at home, since it is what we have at work so I'm more used to it.)c   > > > >First, are you running VMS?  If not, step one is to upgrade > >to VMS.  ;-)i > 2 > but of course, otherwise i wouldnt post here. :)F > besides, running anything other than vms is just sacrilege anyhow ;)  " To quote Monty Burns, "Excellent!"   >  > >What version of VMS?  > 
 > openvms 7.2E > : > >Are you running DECwindows?  What version?  (If you are= > >using it without DECWindows, then it is in dumb, glass TTYo? > >mode.  I don't know how to make it do *anything* very usefulo; > >in this mode.  Certainly won't do anything that requiresA > >cursor positioning, etc.) > > > DECwindows yes. with whatever the terminal is that starts up > automatically. > @ > >Telnet is a terminal-based application.  The keyboard mapping: > >depends on the terminal emulator.  The best under these@ > >circumstances is DECTerm (running under DECWindows.)  I think* > >xterm can also be coerced into working. > : > I use telnet because i'm too cheap to spring for tcpware > or some other ssh package.8 > I think it is decterm. its whatever comes with openvms > under decwindows.M > A > >As I said before, in DECWindows, use the Keyboard... menu itemb< > >(under the Options menu) to set up the keyboard mappings. > = > I'll take a look. I was going through the help set term ando > show term stuff. silly me ;) > J > >If by terminal settings, you mean the VMS "$ SET (or SHOW) TERMINAL..."1 > >stuff, I don't think that's going to help you.h >  > told ya so ;)t > B > >I would use DECterm unless there is a compelling reason not to. > * > i think i am. god damn i love vms heh ;)  F I'm staring at a DECTerm window (actually, a bunch of them) many, manyE hours every day... It doesn't actually say "DECTerm" on it anywhere!!-  B But if it is DECterm it should be displaying a menu bar at the topA with "File Edit Commands Options Print       Help".  If you clickDC on Options, a menu drops down with "Window... Display... General...eA Keyboard..." etc.  Clicking on any of this menu items brings up acE window with, e.g. "DECTerm: Keyboard Options" in the title bar.  Then) you know it's DECTerm.  E If this doesn't seem to make any sense, then maybe your running xterm>  or some other terminal emulator?  
 Good luck!   > B.   --   John Santoso Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:40:00 -0400o! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>o% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questiony8 Message-ID: <rht3bvk1s332tb3b6orq9heopbnpibdjm2@4ax.com>   now you tell me ;) where do i get this?E On 1 May 2003 13:29:44 -0500, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.orgm (Bob Koehler) wrote:  ^ >In article <ipg2bvsksq3ha3tfmbgfbfcgjll390keq4@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.nbet> writes: >h6 >> i dont use tcpware's stuff, i am a humble hobbyist. >l( >   IIRC tcpware has a hobbyist license.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:41:09 -0400 ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>m% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questioni8 Message-ID: <bkt3bvonoo1hn5652h5uj7e7ov0j77jqtk@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 2 May 2003 00:13:36 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:B >TCPWARE (and MULTINET) are both available for free to hobbyist's.A >(I have TCPWARE at home, since it is what we have at work so I'mn >more used to it.)  * k, where, how do i get this and a license?  # >To quote Monty Burns, "Excellent!",  ; i have yet to see anything do what indexed files do on vms. ' plus it just, i dunno, just... rocks ;)   C >But if it is DECterm it should be displaying a menu bar at the top3B >with "File Edit Commands Options Print       Help".  If you clickD >on Options, a menu drops down with "Window... Display... General...B >Keyboard..." etc.  Clicking on any of this menu items brings up aF >window with, e.g. "DECTerm: Keyboard Options" in the title bar.  Then >you know it's DECTerm.    yep its DECTerm.   does tcpware have ssh?   B.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:19:32 +01000 From: "Peter Harper" <peter.harper@uk.bosch.com> Subject: X25 Gateway4 Message-ID: <b8rvgm$3pd$1@ns2.fe.internet.bosch.com>  
 Hello All,   This is a plea for help.    L Since 1995 we have had Alpha systems using an X25 Gateway (DEMSB running VAXK X25 Gateway V1.0) to send information. This has never needed to be touched,lI and as VMS upgrades have progressed has always worked fine. Downloads theaL X25GWY010.sys image, Downloads the X25GWY.CMIP file and all has been tickety boo.1 (All being downline loaded from a VAX by the way)p  G However, the other day I needed to change the NCL script in the gatewaylK software to add a couple of new Alpha's that are coming on Board but when IdI came to use the X25_GWY_COMPILE routine to compile the NCL into a CMIP, If hit a version mismatch.l  F It seems the X25 Gateway software is only compatible with the very old2 DECNET-VAX Extensions around the VMS 5.4- 5.5 era.  I It attempts to use SYS$SHARE:NIS$GLOBALSECTION.DAT which no longer existsRG and has been replaced in DECNET-PLUS with NCL$GLOBALSECTION.DAT. So the + compile access violates with this mismatch.e  L I have rebuilt a VMS system as far back as I could go (OpenVMS 6.1) but alas' the NIS$GLOBALSECTION file is not theref  
 My questions:.  I Firstly, has anyone else hit this situation and if so I would be gratefule! for any workarounds or solutions.   J Secondly, does anyone still have a copy of DECNET-VAX extensions who couldI maybe send me the NIS$GLOBALSECTION.DAT file so I could attempt a compileM against it.m  K Thirdly, what was the last version of X25 Gateway software.I am sure I haveiG seen 1.1 banded around any was wondering if this may be compatible withw DECNET-OSI / PLUSe    J I know these boxes are outdated and unsupported and I am in the process ofH migrating to a Cisco solution, I just need this rather urgently and haveI been taken by suprise as I have not needed to touch this since inception.e     Many thanks for your help    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:03:48 +0200e From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: X25 Gateway2 Message-ID: <b8s5su$ios$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Peter Harper wrote:t  L > I know these boxes are outdated and unsupported and I am in the process ofJ > migrating to a Cisco solution, I just need this rather urgently and haveK > been taken by suprise as I have not needed to touch this since inception.  >   R I can't help you with your request, but I do have a remark on your Cisco solution.  T Have you considered using an Alphaserver DS10 with synchronous cards, VMS and X.25 ?  Q The price may surprise you (pleasantly), and you have the advantage of using one 8L CLI / OS on your production systems and the gateway. Not to mention you can L still use the Gateway Access Protocol to transport the X.25 traffic to your M systems. GAP is much more flexible then LLC2, and LLC2 is the only thing you @Q have with Cisco. And you still can use CMIP from your productions systems to the g gateway (and vice versa).   O Furthermore X.25 is not really very important for Cisco. Their main concern is o TCP/IP and TCP/IP.  O I'm in the process of replacing 6 DECnis X.25 gateways by 2 Alphaservers DS10, SQ and although some people looked a bit funny when I came with this solution, they i, soon grasped the logic behind it and agreed.   >  > Many thanks for your help  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:16:35 -0400n0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>> Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?$ Message-ID: <3eafe8dc$1@news.si.com>  L >Do you know of a freeware tool (MACRO, FORTRAN, PASCAL, C, ...) to get suchJ >information (image name, image file identification, ...) in DCL symbols ?   From Mark London's BULLETIN:  /         .TITLE  READ_HEADER - Read Image Headerl         .IDENT  /1-001/T  A ; This subroutine returns the image identification and link time.  ;o	 ; Format:a ;n; ;   status.wlc.v = READ_HEADER( ident.wt.ds [,time.wt.ds] )r ;n
 ; Parameters:o ; . ;   ident       The image identification text. ;o2 ;   time        The image link time (text format).    ( ;   Date        By              CommentsA ;  4/10/87      D.E. Greenwood  Originally written by John Miano,0 24-June-1986 -D ;                               obtained from April 87 DECUS L&T Sig
 Newsletter)         .LIBRARY        "SYS$LIBRARY:LIB"a           $DSCDEF3         $IHDDEFr         $IHIDEFa         $SSDEF   ; Argument pointer offsets  '         $OFFSET 4,POSITIVE,<IDENT,TIME>1  0         .PSECT READ_HEADER, RD, NOWRT, EXE, LONGA         .ENTRY READ_HEADER, ^M< R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R11 >M  J         CMPL    (AP),#1                 ; Make sure that there is at leastG         BGEQ    ENOUGH_ARGUMENTS        ;  one argument to this routine           MOVL    #SS$_INSFARG, R0         RETb   ENOUGH_ARGUMENTS:r  & ; Get the identification of the image.  G         MOVL    @#CTL$GL_IMGHDRBF, R11  ; R11 - Address of image buffer G         MOVL    (R11), R6               ; R6  - Address of image header-  &         CVTWL   IHD$W_IMGIDOFF(R6), R7B         MOVAB   (R6)[R7], R7            ; R7 - Address of ID Block  A         CVTBL   IHI$T_IMGID(R7),R0      ; Length of the ID stringb         MOVL    IDENT(AP), R8o/         MOVC5   R0, <IHI$T_IMGID+1>(R7), #32, - 4                 DSC$W_LENGTH(R8), @DSC$A_POINTER(R8)           CMPL    (AP), #2         BGEQ    RETURN_TIMEe         MOVZBL  #1, R0         RETr   RETURN_TIME:  ; ; Get the time the image was linked and convert it to ASCII            $ASCTIM_S -c#                 TIMBUF=@TIME(AP), -g)                 TIMADR=IHI$Q_LINKTIME(R7)            RET?   .END   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.241 ************************