1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 03 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 243       Contents:. Re: Alpha FX32 could be itanium 32 bit kludge? Re: Anyone here from Dublin ? ( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 Re: CC psect assignment   Cluster vote allocation question' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos?  DCL routine required. A Re: Delivery problems with Butterworth Heinemann (Digital Press)? A Re: Delivery problems with Butterworth Heinemann (Digital Press)? A Re: Delivery problems with Butterworth Heinemann (Digital Press)? A Re: Delivery problems with Butterworth Heinemann (Digital Press)?  Re: Demistify Backup Re: Demistify Backup Re: Demistify Backup  determine whether a file is open$ Re: determine whether a file is open$ Re: determine whether a file is open$ Re: determine whether a file is open. Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS% Re: Dual Powerstorm issues with DS20e * Re: For European hobbyists with a DS10 ... Re: HTML favourite editor?H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! Re: Migrate email to VMS server  Migrate email to VMS server  Re: Migrate email to VMS server  Re: Mystery VAX  Re: Mystery VAX  Re: Mystery VAX  Re: PRODUCT behaviour warning  Re: PRODUCT behaviour warning N Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business  CriticalSystems!P Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical  Systems! N Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems!N Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems!P Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems! SP Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems! SP Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems! SP Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business CriticalSystems! Cr Spring cleaning  Re: Spring cleaning  Re: Spring cleaning  Re: Spring cleaning - Re: Synch-on-Green LCD monitor for Vaxstation  Video cards for VMS 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:17:23 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>7 Subject: Re: Alpha FX32 could be itanium 32 bit kludge? 8 Message-ID: <s5h5bv8i16t1eqqjimnarv9p3erofg0mr7@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:59:21 +0200, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:   >Bob Ceculski wrote: >> interesting ... >>  + >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9175  >  >Hm. > * >Do you remember that FX!32 was a fiasco ?  I FX!32 was wonderful.  The problem was that MS' OS is a moving target when H you're trying to determine the APIs and entry points.  Oh, and when theyI allow the installation of a *layered product* (e.g., MS Office) to change # OS files, it's even more difficult.   J The fact that MS didn't publish their real interfaces (i.e., the ones that they used) didn't help either.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:37:51 GMT 3 From: wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?0 Message-ID: <3eb2d600.601491941@news.eircom.net>  6 On Thu, 1 May 2003 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Fabio Cardoso! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:    >Anyone here from Dublin ? > ) >A friend from Europe which works for IBM & >matched some jobs and asked me about * >going there ! As I dont have contacts in - >Ireland.... how is the life, cost of living,  >Universities ?  > ) >I am not interested to go abroad just to , >work but to study (a Posgraduation Diploma)	 >et al...   E I'd recommend not visiting Ireland this year for any reason. SARS has E started here, and current official policy is to do nothing to stop it 
 spreading.  E In the longer term, I think it's a reasonably nice place to live. Not A much sunshine, but by the same token relatively few bugs. Cost of F accomodation is high: how tolerant are you of lack of privacy? Jobs inD the computer industry are hard to find, due to a glut of people fromE when the field was in exponential growth mode, but postgraduate study E positions may be available - try contacting some of the universities.    --   "Sore wa himitsu desu."  To reply by email, remove  the small snack from address. ! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 18:01:12 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 0 Message-ID: <Inysa.205$Xv3.159@news.cpqcorp.net>  H I believe that if you are not using external authentication, you have to! turn it on in authorize per-user.     2 "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message" news:3EB2A933.9030901@rdrop.com... > Didier Morandi wrote:  > I > > Is there any other interest in case sensitivity for passwords than to < > > increase the number of different passwords combinations? > H > More interestingly, if this is a coming feature in mainstream VMS, can7 > we *turn it off*? If not, I've got some work to do...  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:50:41 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) 1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 + Message-ID: <b8ub5h$9ov$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   n In article <b096a4ee.0305020857.236937f6@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:c >Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3EB211B0.9000706@Free.fr>... R >> Is there any other interest in case sensitivity for passwords than to increase 2 >> the number of different passwords combinations? >>   >> D.  >  > B >I agree with the other posters that it is a bad idea to have case >sensitivite passwords.  > 3 >If you do do it, I'd limit it to critical servers.  >  >You *can* overdo a good thing.  >   N Unfortunately it is usually written into organisation's security policies thatH passwords will contain mixed case letters (and usually also a numeric orL special character). This makes it very difficult for VMS since it is the oddM one out and this lack is easily exploited by those who wish to portray it as  < being a "security failing" of VMS. Perception is everything.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:43:20 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 ) Message-ID: <3EB2E678.17F7B46C@intel.com>    David Webb wrote:  > p > In article <b096a4ee.0305020857.236937f6@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:e > >Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3EB211B0.9000706@Free.fr>... S > >> Is there any other interest in case sensitivity for passwords than to increase 4 > >> the number of different passwords combinations? > >> > >> D.  > >  > > D > >I agree with the other posters that it is a bad idea to have case > >sensitivite passwords.  > > 5 > >If you do do it, I'd limit it to critical servers.  > > ! > >You *can* overdo a good thing.  > >  > P > Unfortunately it is usually written into organisation's security policies thatJ > passwords will contain mixed case letters (and usually also a numeric orN > special character). This makes it very difficult for VMS since it is the oddN > one out and this lack is easily exploited by those who wish to portray it as> > being a "security failing" of VMS. Perception is everything.  ? 	In fact, this is a very real issue.  It is much easier to give D a user one set of rules for a good/acceptible password, than to haveG to say, "Oh, but on VMS the only special characters are dollar-sign and = underscore, and it ignores upper- versus lowercase."  Sigh...   > 	I agree with all that's been said about the drawbacks, but inF the real, hetrogeneous, nay, Windows-centric world, having the abilityF to use case-senstive passwords plus an extended selection of "special"" characters can be a real benefit.    	-Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support  Who:   kennethDOThDOTfairfield Where: intelDOTcom   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:22:32 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 ? Message-ID: <HcCsa.182906$Si4.136090@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   X In article <3EB2E678.17F7B46C@intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> writes: >David Webb wrote: <snip>Q >> Unfortunately it is usually written into organisation's security policies that K >> passwords will contain mixed case letters (and usually also a numeric or O >> special character). This makes it very difficult for VMS since it is the odd O >> one out and this lack is easily exploited by those who wish to portray it as ? >> being a "security failing" of VMS. Perception is everything.  > @ >	In fact, this is a very real issue.  It is much easier to giveE >a user one set of rules for a good/acceptible password, than to have H >to say, "Oh, but on VMS the only special characters are dollar-sign and> >underscore, and it ignores upper- versus lowercase."  Sigh...  C If the password policy disallows "special characters", but dictates K UPPER/lowercase, then VMS is technically in compliance, since passwords are A "case-blind".  No need for the "security experts" to know that...    :-)    >  <snip> >	-Ken >-- 7 >I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  >  >Ken Fairfield# >D1C Automation VMS System Support   >Who:   kennethDOThDOTfairfield  >Where: intelDOTcom   A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 01:42:22 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 & Message-ID: <3EB3025E.8070301@Free.fr>   Dean Woodward wrote: > Didier Morandi wrote:  > I >> Is there any other interest in case sensitivity for passwords than to  ; >> increase the number of different passwords combinations?  >  > I > More interestingly, if this is a coming feature in mainstream VMS, can  7 > we *turn it off*? If not, I've got some work to do...  >     
 Yes, you can:    UAF> mod user/[NO]PWDMIX   or something like that.    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:21:17 GMT - From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_nospam@hp.com>   Subject: Re: CC psect assignment/ Message-ID: <1rAsa.213$Gx3.99@news.cpqcorp.net>   2 "Thien-Thi Nguyen" <ttn@glug.org> wrote in message" news:7gbryl8ofy.fsf@gnufans.net... | greetings, | D | looks like 7.3-1 CC places each uninitialized var in it own psect,G | rather than in $BSS$, as i would have thought.  this occurs even when  | using switches:  | 3 |         /EXTERN_MODEL=COMMON_BLOCK /SHARED_GLOBAL  |   5     This is what the compiler is supposed to do.  The  /EXTERN=MODEL=COMMON_BLOCKK     tells the compiler to put each global variable in it's own psect.  This  is what VAX C did      by default.   H     The only variables normally put in $BSS$ are those with the 'static' storage class an a non-zero      initializer.   | i suppose i can do | & |         globaldef {"$BSS$"} decl ... | D | to force the issue but that seems like the wrong approach.  hints? |   C     You should be able to use the #pragma extern_model directive to E     force variables into a named psect.  For example to put variables #     a and b into $BSS$, you should:        #pragma extern_model save .     #pragma extern_model strict_refdef "$BSS$"
     int a;
     int b;      #pragma extern_model restore       Ed Vogel     HP C Engineering   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 16:05:57 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ) Subject: Cluster vote allocation question - Message-ID: <IXqUmuaGMHtr@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   ;  I have a question about configuration of a 3 node cluster.      I have the following setup:     -       |--------Raid Array 8000--------------| 0    fc |                                     | fc-       |                                     | .      SYSA --- dedicated ethernet link --- SYSB-       |        (crossover cable)            | 2  enet |                                     | enet-       |                                     | -       |                                     | -       |--------ethernet switch--------------|                         |                        |                        |                      SYSC     +   All systems are Alphas running VMS 7.3-1.   /   SYSA and SYSB can talk to each other over two , communication paths ( dedicated link and via, switch ). SYSC can talk to them only via the switch.   .   If I lose SYSC or lose the switch it's clear1 that SYSA and SYSB will maintain a cluster, using . the dedicated link for cluster communications.  0   I'm concerned about what will happen if either2 SYSA or SYSB loses its link to the switch. If (eg)0 SYSA loses the switch link it will still be able/ to see SYSB, but not SYSC. SYSB will be able to / see both of them, SYSC will only see SYSB. This . requires someone to leave the cluster. I would/ prefer that in such a situation it would always . be SYSC that would agree to leave the cluster,- rather than SYSA. My experimentation suggests - that I can accomplish this by giving SYSA and . SYSB 2 votes each and giving SYSC 1 vote. This- puts EXPECTED_VOTES at 5 and QUORUM at 3 ( so , the cluster can achieve quorum with any 2 of, the 3 nodes. Is this guaranteed to work this" way or have I just been lucky ( ie. when one gets into a "Node voluntarily leaving, the cluster" situation will it always be the. node with the lesser votes that will leave? ).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:52:58 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?) Message-ID: <3EB2B079.C175C395@istop.com>    Jim Agnew wrote: > J > Maybe people could make 10 sales first, then pay HP from the profits w/oI > having to take out a loan?  This could even be written in the contract, . > tho dunno who or how one could enforce it...  N That is what the IBM "on demand" thing is all about (in part). If you use yourL mainframe for 10 transactions per day, you pay licences that are far cheaperJ than if you use it for 100,000 transactions. That was one way IBM found toF make its large machines more cost competitive with the new kids on the$ enterprise block (unix and windows).  J The beauty of this is that it still milks money from the big customers whoI really need the power, but makes the big machines more affordable for the K smaller customers who may not need all of the stuff NOW, but know that they  can grow into it.   L The thing is that if you do start to commercially distribute software you'veA developped on VMS, chances are that you will get the developper's H programme/kit which is also very affordable. In the end, you are helpingG Digital market VMS so it is only natural that Digital give you a break.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:48:39 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?) Message-ID: <3EB2AF77.CC9DF4A6@istop.com>   K re: clarificatiosn on terms of use of hobbyist licence to develop software.     M Kudos to the person(s) who originated the change in the policy which will now . foster development/porting of freeware to VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 03 20:30:48 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?) Message-ID: <UFtvvbT0Jn$s@elias.decus.ch>   w In article <01KVF53H65UAAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: * >> The answer is an UNCONDITIONAL *_YES_*. >  > Good.  > H >> Quoted directly from the man who admits to being the only HP hobbyist >> netcop... > 	 > Better.  > C >> He pointed me at this documentation and was very explicit in the + >> interpretation he places on the wording.  >   G Excellent news indeed. If I interpret it correctly, this caters for the E person who doesn't know whether a commercial application will sell in H sufficient quantities to pay for the appropriate licenses at the time of release.  % This of course begs another question:   A Do the various DECUS systems around the world have licenses which # qualify for commercial development?    or failing that:  E Is there anyone out there who offers the use of commercially licensed H systems for compilations? (presumably for some fee less than the cost of your own licenses)   --  
 Paul Sture (posting from a DECUS system)    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 18:49:50 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?5 Message-ID: <b8ueke$d8pnd$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ) In article <3EB2AF77.CC9DF4A6@istop.com>, - 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: M > re: clarificatiosn on terms of use of hobbyist licence to develop software.  >  > O > Kudos to the person(s) who originated the change in the policy which will now 0 > foster development/porting of freeware to VMS.  G Which, sadly, makes the current edu license seems even more ridiculous.    :-( :-(    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:03:06 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?' Message-ID: <3EB2C0EA.7FD7C144@aaa.com>    JF Mezei wrote: 9 > In the end, you are helping Digital market VMS so it is - > only natural that Digital give you a break.   	 Digital ?  Who are they ?   /Jan-Erik Sderholm    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 16:56 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?, Message-ID: <2MAY200316561630@gerg.tamu.edu>  . "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes...6 }"Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message* }news:3EB1D01D.17128.127DADF6@localhost...) }> On 2 May 2003 at 0:43, Beyonder wrote: @ }> > i guess i need some sort of util to gen my own license keys }> > for my product. }>D }> If you join HP's DSPP program, there's probably some way to get aD }> PAKGEN license.  I was able to get the appropriate PAKGEN license* }> back during the Compaq era.  Good luck! }> }  }Read DSPP info here... B }http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/pp/pp_Benefit_IDX/1,1412,1,00.html }   }However, in the hobbyist FAQ at7 }http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/hobbyist_faq/index.html 	 }it says:   }----------- Extract -----------K }Q17: The HP DSPP Partner's Edge program requires a fee to join, I'm a poor E }programmer and don't have the money but I'm writing the best OpenVMS 3 }application since EDT! How can I develop software?  } I }A17:   Nothing in the Terms and conditions prohibits you from developing # }software using a Hobbyist License. K }When it comes to distributing/reselling  your new application that's where  }the gray area ends.H }Here's the ways you can distribute software developed under the OpenVMS }Hobbyist License: } B }1. Publish under the Open Source GNU copyright/copyleft license . } J }2. Published as OpenVMS Freeware on the OpenVMS Freeware CD-ROM or though }DECUS/Encompass libraries ..  } G }3 .Before you begin distribution of your commercial software, take the J }source or object code to a commercial machine (one that has a purchased aH }commercial license for OpenVMS and the layered products you're using) ,L }compile and link your software. Then you can offer it for sale  without any" }OpenVMS Hobbyist "Encumbrances" .' }----------- end of Extract -----------  } K }So, if you cannot afford to join the DSPP (it seems to have a free option) M }then find someone who is a member of the program and do the commercial build  }on their machine. }-- 
 }John Travell   ! I've never looked at this before.   J I must say that these are some of the most sensible terms for this sort of. thing that you are ever likely to come across.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:27:34 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?? Message-ID: <c57d7fec4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   4 In message <b8tv5r$dm4j7$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>3           bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:   = > In article <01KVF53H65UAAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, > > 	Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:, > >> The answer is an UNCONDITIONAL *_YES_*. > > 	 > > Good.  > > J > >> Quoted directly from the man who admits to being the only HP hobbyist > >> netcop... > >  > > Better.  > > E > >> He pointed me at this documentation and was very explicit in the - > >> interpretation he places on the wording.  > > M > > Almost perfect!  If he could just clear up the other two issues I raised  0 > > and fix up the new educational license.  :-| > L > Believe it or not, there actually is someone looking into this.  I haven'tG > heard anything lately, but having much recent experience dealing with 2 > bureaucracies I am patiently awaiting good news. >  > bill >       J Slightly off topic. I received my HP-CUO (UK) subscription renewal request/ today. Under the "what you get" section it says   8 "one Hobbyist License renewal during the calendar year."  I Is this a UK thing? If not, what is the point of including Cluster in the J Hobbyist program, as you need 2 licenses to make any sensible use of that?  2 What do people with multiple machines actually do?   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:19:38 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?' Message-ID: <3EB3273A.4870E069@fsi.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  >  > > Read DSPP info here...E > > http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/pp/pp_Benefit_IDX/1,1412,1,00.html  > > # > > However, in the hobbyist FAQ at : > > http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/hobbyist_faq/index.html > > it says:# > > ----------- Extract -----------  > : > You left off point 4, which is quite interesting. [snip]  E > 4. The best commercial solution of course would be to  develop your I > software application and then join HP's DSPP Partner's edge program  to J > get the lower cost development licenses, Hardware discounts, and all the > joint marketing.     WHOA, THERE!!!!    "Joint marketing"???!!!   C They *GOTTA* be talkin' 'bout pushi'n dope, cuz anyone who has even D causually browsed this group knows that they don't market *ANY*thing, VMS! This is a proven fact (prove me wrong).  G Attorneys in the audience: Does this claim of theirs constitute willful - mispresentation? If so, can it be prosecuted?   2 > With HP helping you to promote and sell your new5 > application, it's sure to  be a commercial success.   E ...and I've got a bridge and some land in Arid-zona you're gonna just 	 *LOVE*!!!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:20:25 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?' Message-ID: <3EB32769.3D23B7D9@fsi.net>    Beyonder wrote:  >  > seemed to be one to me.  > oy vey   ...and then some!   E > On Fri, 02 May 2003 12:51:39 GMT, "Mark E. Levy" <melevy@attbi.com>  > wrote: >  > > I > >"Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message 8 > >news:01KVEW5AJJ3CAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...5 > >> With HP helping you to promote and sell your new 8 > >> application, it's sure to  be a commercial success. > >  > >This is a joke, right?      --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 20:47:20 -0700 , From: JohnEllicottington@lycos.co.uk (Johno) Subject: DCL routine required.= Message-ID: <10822590.0305021947.70bd8f5d@posting.google.com>    HiE Any suggestions how I can program into my command procedure a routine F that tests for the first working day of the month (I.E: Mon, Tue, Wed,F Thu, Fri only). The routine would still have to work if the first fellF on a Saturday or Sunday with the first working day therefore being the second or third of the month.  Thanks in advance. Johno    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 12:46:06 -0500 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)J Subject: Re: Delivery problems with Butterworth Heinemann (Digital Press)?3 Message-ID: <5VNqKD5B0JIn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <oPMEXKCsQEuv@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: D > Well I finally got around to ordering Alan Winston's "OpenVMS with1 > Apache, OSU & WASD" from Butterworth Heinemann.  > J > In spite of the claimed 7-10 day delivery time, I have waited since 19thF > March. An email last Friday asking them where it was appears to have6 > done something as today a package from them arrived. > D > My name and address and book details on the label, a book entitledF > "Natural Gas Hydrates" and invoice to somone in Milan on the inside. >  > Doh! >    :-)   L Look at it this way: at least someone else is now going to become aware of a  operating system called VMS. :-)   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 03 20:50:16 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) J Subject: Re: Delivery problems with Butterworth Heinemann (Digital Press)?) Message-ID: <CoEXPZWYGZGi@elias.decus.ch>   x In article <5VNqKD5B0JIn@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:W > In article <oPMEXKCsQEuv@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: E >> Well I finally got around to ordering Alan Winston's "OpenVMS with 2 >> Apache, OSU & WASD" from Butterworth Heinemann. >>  K >> In spite of the claimed 7-10 day delivery time, I have waited since 19th G >> March. An email last Friday asking them where it was appears to have 7 >> done something as today a package from them arrived.  >>  E >> My name and address and book details on the label, a book entitled G >> "Natural Gas Hydrates" and invoice to somone in Milan on the inside.  >>   >> Doh!  >>   >  > :-)  > N > Look at it this way: at least someone else is now going to become aware of a" > operating system called VMS. :-) >    I hadn't thought of that :-)  H Tom: Perhaps I should read it - at 63.50 UKP this is one expensive book.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 18:30:39 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")J Subject: Re: Delivery problems with Butterworth Heinemann (Digital Press)?6 Message-ID: <00A1F426.B8724F79@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  x In article <5VNqKD5B0JIn@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:V >In article <oPMEXKCsQEuv@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:E >> Well I finally got around to ordering Alan Winston's "OpenVMS with 2 >> Apache, OSU & WASD" from Butterworth Heinemann. >>  K >> In spite of the claimed 7-10 day delivery time, I have waited since 19th G >> March. An email last Friday asking them where it was appears to have 7 >> done something as today a package from them arrived.  >>  E >> My name and address and book details on the label, a book entitled G >> "Natural Gas Hydrates" and invoice to somone in Milan on the inside.  >>   >> Doh!  >>   >  >:-) > M >Look at it this way: at least someone else is now going to become aware of a ! >operating system called VMS. :-)    That's encouraging, anyway.   ? I have forwarded Paul's note to my editor at Digital Press (er, K Butterworth-Heinemann, er, Reed Elsevier) who has been able to resolve some F of these problems in the past.  She's out of the office today, though.  H I'd certainly like for anybody who's trying to get a copy of my book to  be able to do so.    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:24:44 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>J Subject: Re: Delivery problems with Butterworth Heinemann (Digital Press)?F Message-ID: <MeCsa.52293$4P1.4858186@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  J I took advantage of the St Louis CETS show special, and 2 weeks ago calledH for info on my order.   I'd been billed right away.  Seems the order wasK keyed as filled (with 2 books yet to be published).  Their customer service * arranged the shipment which arrived today.       --     Andy Bustamante  Remove the ascii 95s to reply 6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:oPMEXKCsQEuv@elias.decus.ch... D > Well I finally got around to ordering Alan Winston's "OpenVMS with1 > Apache, OSU & WASD" from Butterworth Heinemann.  > J > In spite of the claimed 7-10 day delivery time, I have waited since 19thF > March. An email last Friday asking them where it was appears to have6 > done something as today a package from them arrived. > D > My name and address and book details on the label, a book entitledF > "Natural Gas Hydrates" and invoice to somone in Milan on the inside. >  > Doh! > ( > Anyone had similar troubles with them? >  > -- > Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:12:52 -0400& From: "Bob  Lail" <robert.lail@hp.com> Subject: Re: Demistify Backup * Message-ID: <3eb2b853@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Doug  C  Is it possible the Write Protect tab is in the "wrong" position ??      or  L Are you trying to Write to the wrong kind of DLT tape, like Compact Tape IV,& which the SDLT can read but NOT write?  	 \Bob Lail    --   Robert Lail  Solution Architect  Network & Service Provider Sales Hewlett-Packard Company  EMail: SRobert.Lail@hp.com3 ( S added for Spammers remove before sending email)     / "DougD" <dmdunyan@hotmail.com> wrote in message 7 news:ad98f1e9.0305011302.38cbee8a@posting.google.com...  > Okay - I'm lost ....6 > Brand new tape, put in port 0 of msl5000 series load >  > $robot move port 0 slot 20 > (good) > $robot load drive 0 slot 20 ? > (tape with a barcode of 70000 loaded to drive 0.  Still good)  > $allocate $2$mga2: > (still good)* > Init/over=(access,expir) $2$mga2: BCKUP1 > (still good)< > $ backup/list=dsa2.bak/image/ignore=(Inter,Label,Noback) - >  dsa2:  $2$mga2:dsa2.bck >   > </BOLD> It Starts here!</BOLD> > ( > Show dev $2$mga2: from another session= > shows Drive goes into mountverify, then WrongVolume status?  > = > After a short time, the session with allocated drive reads: 7 > %BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on $2$mga2:[]dsa2.bck 2 > -SYSTEM-F-VOLINV, volume is not software enabled > %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC> > %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested* > (no operator available) quit or continue >iF > continue gives the same error....only option is quit...and it aborts >e0 > Is it me, or is something really wrong here... >p > --lost in tape lande   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 13:47:24 -0500s+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)c Subject: Re: Demistify Backupr3 Message-ID: <Sj2NUpfeuIbJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  b In article <ad98f1e9.0305011302.38cbee8a@posting.google.com>, dmdunyan@hotmail.com (DougD) writes: > Okay - I'm lost ....6 > Brand new tape, put in port 0 of msl5000 series load >  > $robot move port 0 slot 20 > (good) > $robot load drive 0 slot 20o? > (tape with a barcode of 70000 loaded to drive 0.  Still good)i > $allocate $2$mga2: > (still good)* > Init/over=(access,expir) $2$mga2: BCKUP1 > (still good)< > $ backup/list=dsa2.bak/image/ignore=(Inter,Label,Noback) - >  dsa2:  $2$mga2:dsa2.bck e >   > </BOLD> It Starts here!</BOLD> > ( > Show dev $2$mga2: from another session= > shows Drive goes into mountverify, then WrongVolume status?e > = > After a short time, the session with allocated drive reads:e7 > %BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on $2$mga2:[]dsa2.bcke2 > -SYSTEM-F-VOLINV, volume is not software enabled > %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC> > %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested* > (no operator available) quit or continue > F > continue gives the same error....only option is quit...and it aborts > 0 > Is it me, or is something really wrong here... >  > --lost in tape landB  E What happens if you put a /save after the $2$mga2:dsa2.bck parameter?oC Without the /save isn't BACKUP going to think that you're trying to  a file oriented device?   G I'd mount the tape manually with /for and then add the /save after the i
 saveset name.l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:03:35 -04005 From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqmunicorn@y12unicorn.doe.gov>S Subject: Re: Demistify Backupl, Message-ID: <b8ufem$sol$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>  8 "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Sj2NUpfeuIbJ@eisner.encompasserve.org...l? > In article <ad98f1e9.0305011302.38cbee8a@posting.google.com>, $ dmdunyan@hotmail.com (DougD) writes: > > Okay - I'm lost ....8 > > Brand new tape, put in port 0 of msl5000 series load > >V > > $robot move port 0 slot 20
 > > (good) > > $robot load drive 0 slot 20 A > > (tape with a barcode of 70000 loaded to drive 0.  Still good)g > > $allocate $2$mga2: > > (still good), > > Init/over=(access,expir) $2$mga2: BCKUP1 > > (still good)> > > $ backup/list=dsa2.bak/image/ignore=(Inter,Label,Noback) - > >  dsa2:  $2$mga2:dsa2.bck > >-" > > </BOLD> It Starts here!</BOLD> > >-* > > Show dev $2$mga2: from another session? > > shows Drive goes into mountverify, then WrongVolume status?F > >o? > > After a short time, the session with allocated drive reads:r9 > > %BACKUP-E-FATALERR, fatal error on $2$mga2:[]dsa2.bck04 > > -SYSTEM-F-VOLINV, volume is not software enabled > > %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC@ > > %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested, > > (no operator available) quit or continue > > H > > continue gives the same error....only option is quit...and it aborts > >'2 > > Is it me, or is something really wrong here... > >d > > --lost in tape landt >aG > What happens if you put a /save after the $2$mga2:dsa2.bck parameter?eE > Without the /save isn't BACKUP going to think that you're trying tor > a file oriented device?  >yH > I'd mount the tape manually with /for and then add the /save after the > saveset name.7  K My understanding is that the /save qualifier is assumed whenever the devicey. is a tape device.  I always specify it anyway.  K I am not familiar with the hardware mentioned, but this sounds similar to aoH problem I have seen when a tape was initialized on a TZ87 tape drive andI then attempted to use it on a TZ85 drive.  The TZ85 could read the label, K but was unable to use the tape.  If I remember correctly I could initializeiD it without error (not certain, it has been a while and it might haveL complained about the initialize), but was still not usable.  The only way toI use the tape on the TZ85 was to take it back to the TZ87 and override therJ density to the TZ85 level and initialize on the TZ87 drive.  Then the tapeK could be used on the TZ85 without problem.  My apologies if this is totally $ off base for the hardware mentioned.   -- l
 Dale A. Marcyt VMS System Manager5 SAIC - Science Applications International Corporationn
 (865)576-4942i   Berra's Universal Law -u2 "Before everything changed, it was all different."   Hint to reply by e-mail:% Everyone knows there are no Unicorns.a   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 13:09:48 -0700h" From: jnboomer@yahoo.com (jboomer)) Subject: determine whether a file is openp= Message-ID: <f56c6aaf.0305021209.158db647@posting.google.com>-  B We have an application which produces reports, placing them in VMSE text files.  A second process periodically scans for the existence ofnD these text files and FTPs them elsewhere.  We want to avoid FTPing aC partial report, i.e. we want to FTP the files only after the reportuA has been completely written to the file.  What is the best way toc@ determine that the report file has been closed by the generating application?  : The only process I'm aware of involves $sh dev dsa1/files 6 $pipe sh dev dsa1/files | sea sys$input [reports]*.txt  . Is there a more direct way to accomplish this? Thanks in advance,   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:14:48 -0500m From: brandon@dalsemi.com-- Subject: Re: determine whether a file is open21 Message-ID: <03050215144897@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>a  D > We have an application which produces reports, placing them in VMSG > text files.  A second process periodically scans for the existence of0F > these text files and FTPs them elsewhere.  We want to avoid FTPing aE > partial report, i.e. we want to FTP the files only after the reportmC > has been completely written to the file.  What is the best way toeB > determine that the report file has been closed by the generating > application? > < > The only process I'm aware of involves $sh dev dsa1/files 8 > $pipe sh dev dsa1/files | sea sys$input [reports]*.txt > 0 > Is there a more direct way to accomplish this? > Thanks in advance,  K Use the DCL lexical function f$file_attributes() see below.  You will get a $ error message if the file is locked.   $! $!
 $ set noon $ set noverify $! $! $ gosub check_failover_lockedr $!& $! do greate and magical stuff here... $! $ exit $! $!* $!----------------------------------------$ $! check that the file is not locked $! $ check_failover_locked: $ locked = "TRUE"P/ $ locked = f$file_attributes(lockfile,"LOCKED")n $ if (.not.locked) then return $ wait 00:01:00- $ goto check_failover_locked $! $!     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorr Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wko 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:17:36 +0200 (CEST)e: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>- Subject: Re: determine whether a file is opendJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305022214150.21406-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   On 2 May 2003, jboomer wrote:r  D >+We have an application which produces reports, placing them in VMSG >+text files.  A second process periodically scans for the existence of F >+these text files and FTPs them elsewhere.  We want to avoid FTPing aE >+partial report, i.e. we want to FTP the files only after the report C >+has been completely written to the file.  What is the best way to B >+determine that the report file has been closed by the generating >+application? >+< >+The only process I'm aware of involves $sh dev dsa1/files 8 >+$pipe sh dev dsa1/files | sea sys$input [reports]*.txt >+0 >+Is there a more direct way to accomplish this?    May be:  	 $ReCheck:e $! Test a exclusive OPEN:r5 $ OPEN/READ/WRITE IO 'the_file_name'/ERROR=STILL_OPENo
 $ CLOSE IO $! Here the code to start FTPy   ...s $STILL_OPEN: $! And here wait and recheck:s" $ wait 0::1	! Or the time you want $ goto reCheck    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E =====================================================================nF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEs. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:37:04 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: determine whether a file is opena) Message-ID: <3EB2D6E5.A043272C@istop.com>h  F another way is for the generating application to write the report in aM temporary file (or different directory in the same disk) and once it is done,mN it then just does a rename of the file to the directory that is scanned by the1 process that does the FTP copy to another system.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:20:37 -0400& From: "Bob  Lail" <robert.lail@hp.com>7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMSs* Message-ID: <3eb2ba22@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  $ RE: Running Tru64 UNIX Under Galaxy:  K No can do, Galaxy is "Software Partitioning" that allows multiple instances 9 of OpenVMS to run on a sub-set of HP AlphaServer Systems.p  I You can only run multiple "different" OSs on HP AlphaServers that supportVG HARD Partitioning. In general only ONE ES and the GS class AlphaServers  support Hard Partitioning..a  * Note that ONE ES class system is the ES80.  	 \Bob Lail    --   Robert Lailh Solution Architect  Network & Service Provider Sales Hewlett-Packard Companyi$ 110 Spit Brook Road, Nashua NH 020620 EMail: SRobert.Lail@hp.com   Phone: 603.884.71613 ( S added for Spammers remove before sending email)M0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message! news:3EB039B7.10500@vajhoej.dk..."
 > Sean wrote:sF > > We have an Alpha DS25 and want to have dual operating system (UnixF > > tru64 and OpenVMS). Does anybody have any idea to do it. Thank you > > very much for your time. > ; > One at a time. No problem just install on different disks_ > and boot the OS you want._ >_< > At the same time. If a 2 CPU DS25 can run Galaxy (I do not$ > know), then it should be possible. >m > Arne >    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 17:21 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)<. Subject: Re: Dual Powerstorm issues with DS20e, Message-ID: <2MAY200317211817@gerg.tamu.edu>  0 "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes...# }- DS20E, single cpu 500 MHz, 512MB ? }- Two PowerStorm 300, devices GBB0 (head 1) and GBA0 (head 2).o } @ }The default visual for head 1 is PseudoColor and pixel depth 8.@ }The default visual for head 2 is TrueColor with pixel depth 24. } 
 }VMS 7.2-1 } H }DEC AXPVMS VMS721_UPDATE V3.0       Patch       Install     10-JAN-2002	 }01:02:30dH }DEC AXPVMS VMS721_PCSI V1.0         Patch       Install     10-JAN-2002	 }00:57:25 H }DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.2-1        Full LP     Install     11-JAN-2001	 }15:19:36 H }DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Install     11-JAN-2001	 }15:19:36 H }DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    Install     11-JAN-2001	 }15:19:36.H }DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.0-10            Full LP     Install     11-JAN-2001	 }15:19:36sH }DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Install     11-JAN-2001	 }15:19:36n } @ }This is from a customer of ours - any help would be appreciated }--  }David B Turnert  H You might consider applying the VMS721_GRAPHICS V5.0 ECO, if you havn't.M (Check the dependancies.) This (and earlier versions) corrects many problems,AN including things that the P300 & P350 release notes call "Multi-head OperationJ Problems", "Memory Leak", "Hang When Rendering Certain Polygons", and many> others. There is also an ECO for DWMOTIF, DWMOTIF125_UPD V1.0.  G (PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT/FULL VMS will list all the ECOs installed for VMS J via PRODUCT, which should be all of them. If the above list is all you getK from a PRODUCT SHOW HISTORY then you are missing several ECOs that came outn, after UPDATE V3.0, including GRAPHICS V5.0.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:40:31 +0100* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>3 Subject: Re: For European hobbyists with a DS10 ...-5 Message-ID: <b8un5s$e0ov7$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>o  7 "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in messager) news:vb4fgv7kud4l72@news.supernews.com...q > No >@ > Which one do you have ?h >    Alphaserver1000a 5/333   -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net- http://www.travell.uk.net/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/2003e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:05:42 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> # Subject: Re: HTML favourite editor? ' Message-ID: <3EB323F6.6973284A@fsi.net>-   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Lord Isildur wrote:  > > J > > ok, its almost obligatory, but, in all seriousness, my favorite editor > > for html is vi.i8 > > *ducks behind a unix-running VAX for protection* [1] > P > Your VAX returns to its VMS roots and orders its fast spinning drives to ejectP > and decapitate you. Hiding behind a vax when making such heretic statements isI > just as dangerous as standing up in a VMS newsgroup and proclaiming ther > satanic verses of "vi".o  F I have to say that now that I have to deal with a Solaris machine, I'mH glad I know enough vi to get the job done. At least it's present on most# (if not nearly all) UN*X systems...b   --   David J. DachteraY dba DJE SystemsS http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:05:55 +0000 (UTC), From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyC% Message-ID: <1051913504snz@dsl.co.uk>h  7 In article <ivc3bvop3uk72odrpf71e8sqtvch3bv893@4ax.com> 4            ararghNOSPAM@NOT.AT.enteract.com  writes:  G > On Thu, 01 May 2003 22:20:54 GMT, Larry Jones <scjones@thor.sdrc.com>t > wrote: > 0 > >Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk> wrote: > >>: > >> Skills in oenotechnology[1] will always be useful :-) > >3 > >I'll drink to that! > >z >  > Where is the [1]?.  F Errm, back in the <news:1051555161snz@dsl.co.uk> that Larry quoted: itB was *I* that created the footnote; he merely quoted the referrent.   --  M Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uk F     "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would.  Yet we are@     untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them".M                                               George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919u   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 01:49:14 GMTc4 From: Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyw8 Message-ID: <mu76bvos7gnv1945ad2kdvcp829d46qfjb@4ax.com>  * On Fri, 2 May 2003 14:53:09 +0000 (UTC) inA alt.folklore.computers, hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E.  Hawkins) wrote:   9 >In article <db34bvcb4s7uupmcopmd139hoj7flq43pe@4ax.com>,i7 >Brian Inglis  <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> wrote:a, >>On Thu, 1 May 2003 15:55:02 +0000 (UTC) inC >>alt.folklore.computers, hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E.h >>Hawkins) wrote:f >a3 >>>Try finding white western-cut shirts these days.s >tF >>>Practicing law, I usually wore these, as the western cut is severalJ >>>inches longer, and and with a narrower waist, than the regular cut.  InJ >>>ordinary sizes, I'm a LT, not an XL (and just got a t-shirt in my size!9 >>>Dress shirts are by collar and chest, not height . . .n > K >>>And then Garth Brooks happened.  On the rare occasion I can find a plaino% >>>white western shirt, it's blended.o >yA >>Are you looking for something like: White Solid Twill Shirt / + = >>Tall Wrangler 71135CH 15.5x35-18x36 or 71135CHT LT CA$54.95  >>US$37.90 found at URL:[ >>http://www.lammles.ca/cgi-bin/lammles/wwstore.cgi?overlord=Search+Products&store_areaid=7$ >lH >It could be.  Oddly, they have no picture.  But it doesn't tell whetherB >it's cotton or blended; I think all of Shepler's solid whites are- >blended (which make me quite uncomfortable.)   @ The Wrangler twill shirts are all 100% cotton according to other western wear sites.   9 Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis 	Calgary, Alberta, Canadan -- nF Brian.Inglis@CSi.com 	(Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca),     fake address		use address above to reply   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 20:06:51 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! 8 Message-ID: <2qf5bv0g5ginetofojuob6fmdph28v0ad1@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:17:39 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote:tH >> To date, no AMD processor has appeared in high-end server systems for& >> business-class, reliable computing. >tI >Same could be said of Intel who is also in its first venture in business  >server computing.  K Actually, this is something with which I agree, but it also proves my point0K - why do we discuss which is going to succeed at such an early point in thet lifetime of both?   G Nobody can really claim right or wrong for either chip, but that hasn'ttB stopped the billions of bits flying around to do just that anyway.   >mL >> To that end, this issue of 32-bit apps is, imho, a non-issue.  All of theK >> server-based OSs that I care about are 64-bit.  That's not just a niche,hK >> it's a few billion $$ (USD) per year (HP-UX, Non-Stop Kernel, Tru64, and 6 >> OpenVMS... oh yeah, and eventually 64-bit windows). > I >That is the same mentality that killed digital: Unix will never hurt VMScM >because VMS is so much better, followed by " PCs will never hurt VMS becausee  >VMS and VAX are so much better. >rK >The sad fact is that customers look for a box that can do the job. Why payiK >500,000 for a "serious" business computing box/server when a good $2000 PC0J >with linux on it can run the same software ~about~ as reliably as the big >expensive machine ?  F Because it really can't.  Not for mission critical apps.  When you buyK those $2000 PCs, you get almost nothing for support, very little by the wayn? of configuration testing; and nobody will guarantee any kind ofy
 availability.   G You get what you pay for.  And I don't speak this way because I'm now a D "vendor" of these products, I spend 13 years supporting them.  I hadI numerous problems with "good enough" crap that people would buy.  Stupid, ( el-cheapo wintel based pager products byG two-guys-in-a-garage-with-no-support that the departments expected 24x71K support from me on.  El-cheapo gateway computers used for business-criticalgK SQL databases, but with no real qualification, and of course they'd buy the.  cheapest memory they could find.  K Businesses are considering overall IT  service levels as very important for I their success.  They are working more and more on IT consolidation.  They J are beginning to see real value in ITIL and ITSM.  El-cheapo boxes are notI going to supply the RAS features that they need to run their enterprises..   >mL >By restricting your enterprise serves to only the very high end where thereM >*still* exist applications that really do require those big systems, you arep >doing 2 things:J >	-allowing the vast majority of the server market to go to other vendors, >those who sell ) >	 both low end and medium sized servers.t >TL >	-what will you do when your off-the-shelf PC will have clustering etc thatN >gives it the capabilities at $2000 that you are charging $500,000 for on your >big boxes ?  K I don't speak for HP as a corporation, only my little slice of a career.  It< do not like working on these cheap, $2K knock-offs when in aK business-critical environment.  And, frankly, I'm really only interested inrK the mission/business-critical environments.  At this stage of the game (for I me), the other stuff isn't much fun for the amount of headaches that must $ be endured to get any kind of value.   >iK >Those who have won in the IT revolution are those who strived to lower theeH >cost of computing. Sun and Microsoft (for all their faults) are the bigN >winners (Sun in late 80s, killing DEC's workstation market) and Microsoft for
 >the rest.  G I don't know how you define "won"... it's not as if the "revolution" istK over by any stretch.  Things are changing constantly.  And, btw, many, many G of the people I've worked with who started down the "cheaper is better"eK path have had to back-off and get back to the age-old "you get what you pays for," value-based metrics.  F I realize that there are still lots of enterprise level MS servers outK there.  I don't dispute that.  However I find that they still don't get theAK level of support, and overall business value, out of those as they get withsJ traditional mid-range/high-end servers (and I consider Sun in that range).   >kL >Digital strived to protect its high end applicatiosn from being used on lowM >end machines to protect its cash cows. Digital no longer exists. had DigitaleK >produced low cost workstations and gone towards higher production at lowerw- >profit margins, Digital would still be here.E  H I'm not talking about protection of high-end systems.  I'm talking aboutB providing value in enterprise-class servers, with enterprise-class< reliability, manageability, performance, and service levels.   >iH >Had Digital taken the Microvax II and truly made it into a PC sized andJ >Apple-priced machine, DECwrite might be the "Word" of Today, and ALL-IN-1" >might be the "Exchange" of Today.  F I fully agree.  Had many arguments with dec folks about the pricing on" their workstations many moons ago.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 MAY 2003 21:08:59 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>l( Subject: Re: Migrate email to VMS server1 Message-ID: <2MAY03.21085908@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>.  E In a previous article, Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote:aQ > I have recently migrated my non-profit domain name from commercial unix serverscL > to my hobbyist Alphastation at home on my ADSL.  I figured that, even withQ > potential problems involving a dynamic IP address, I could hardly do worse than P > the three different commercial "services" I have tried over the years, NONE OFF > WHOM could keep their servers up even if their lives depended on it. >   K > I switched over to my AlphaStation last weekend, and so far everything isfO > working splendidly.  My sole remaining obstacle is the migration of two emaileF > users who left several hundred messages on the old server during theP > switchover.  I thoughtfully downloaded these to my Outlook Express client, butL > now I'm stuck.  I want to import each of these message into VMS mail, withN > appropriate headers intact, so that they will be downloaded the next time my0 > users request POP service from the VMS server. >  cP > I've tried forwarding the messages as attachments to my users' accounts.  ThatN > would presumably "work".  But then that puts the onus on my users to extractP > each of these hundreds of messages manually from a single monster nested MIMEd0 > message.  I regard this idea as a last resort. >  eO > I've tried an upload to the IMAP server from Outlook Express.  Unfortunately,rR > the IMAP server rewrites headers such that they appear to be coming from my IMAPO > account, not the original source of the message.  Plus I managed to cause the O > IMAP server to crump after completing this operation.  This is no solution atc > all. >  uQ > I can easily export these hundreds of messages to individual plain text files. zR > So, I figured that, with headers massaged to match whatever VMS mail wants (a FFN > followed by a From: line with date/time, a To: line, a CC: line, and a Subj:K > line, followed by the rest of the header and message body), I could issue3 > commands of the form:D >  J > MAIL> set file mytextfile.txtt > MAIL> read 1 > MAIL> copy newmail mailw >  oP > to move each message into the user's VMS index file and their newmail folder. O > This does not work.  No matter what I do, I cannot import the message withoutGO > inserting a spurious blank line!  Even when I begin with an SMTP message thatHN > downloads/deMIMEs properly, EXTRACT (or EXTRACT/MAIL) it to a text file, andP > then use the commands above, the blank line gets added back in.  The MAIL>COPY% > command is very adamant about this.e >  mR > Has anybody figured out how to import SMTP mail, headers and all, into VMS mail?2 > I'm running V7.2-2 and TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO1.    J If you copy the unix mail file to your VMS server you can try the DCL/TecoO script posted by Skip Morris (morris@mv.mv.com) back in 1995.  I've never triedl% it myself.  See (watch for url wrap):e    <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:comp.os.vms+author:morris%40mv.mv.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=r&selm=DK8E95.Dt1%40mv.mv.com&rnum=9 >   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVlH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:40:58 -0400f- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>-$ Subject: Migrate email to VMS server. Message-ID: <3EB2D7DA.DEF587@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>  O I have recently migrated my non-profit domain name from commercial unix serversuJ to my hobbyist Alphastation at home on my ADSL.  I figured that, even withO potential problems involving a dynamic IP address, I could hardly do worse thanhN the three different commercial "services" I have tried over the years, NONE OFD WHOM could keep their servers up even if their lives depended on it.  I I switched over to my AlphaStation last weekend, and so far everything is M working splendidly.  My sole remaining obstacle is the migration of two emailmD users who left several hundred messages on the old server during theN switchover.  I thoughtfully downloaded these to my Outlook Express client, butJ now I'm stuck.  I want to import each of these message into VMS mail, withL appropriate headers intact, so that they will be downloaded the next time my. users request POP service from the VMS server.  N I've tried forwarding the messages as attachments to my users' accounts.  ThatL would presumably "work".  But then that puts the onus on my users to extractN each of these hundreds of messages manually from a single monster nested MIMEd. message.  I regard this idea as a last resort.  M I've tried an upload to the IMAP server from Outlook Express.  Unfortunately,hP the IMAP server rewrites headers such that they appear to be coming from my IMAPM account, not the original source of the message.  Plus I managed to cause thedM IMAP server to crump after completing this operation.  This is no solution atr all.  O I can easily export these hundreds of messages to individual plain text files. eP So, I figured that, with headers massaged to match whatever VMS mail wants (a FFL followed by a From: line with date/time, a To: line, a CC: line, and a Subj:I line, followed by the rest of the header and message body), I could issueM commands of the form:b   MAIL> set file mytextfile.txte MAIL> read 1 MAIL> copy newmail mail   N to move each message into the user's VMS index file and their newmail folder. M This does not work.  No matter what I do, I cannot import the message without M inserting a spurious blank line!  Even when I begin with an SMTP message thatPL downloads/deMIMEs properly, EXTRACT (or EXTRACT/MAIL) it to a text file, andN then use the commands above, the blank line gets added back in.  The MAIL>COPY# command is very adamant about this.E  P Has anybody figured out how to import SMTP mail, headers and all, into VMS mail?0 I'm running V7.2-2 and TCPIP Services V5.3 ECO1.    - JB8   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 19:30:20 -0400e- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>r( Subject: Re: Migrate email to VMS server0 Message-ID: <3EB2FF8C.188E6532@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Dave Greenwood wrote::L > If you copy the unix mail file to your VMS server you can try the DCL/TecoQ > script posted by Skip Morris (morris@mv.mv.com) back in 1995.  I've never tried1' > it myself.  See (watch for url wrap):1 >  >  <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:comp.os.vms+author:morris%40mv.mv.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=r&selm=DK8E95.Dt1%40mv.mv.com&rnum=9 >  N Interesting.  I think I'll save that somewhere for future reference.  At firstO blush, it appears that Skip is using TECO for the same reason as my TPU program P MX2VMSMAIL: it massages headers into a format that VMS understands.  DCL is used2 to do the actual message import with the commands:   $ open/append file 'tempcom' $ write file "$ mail"e $ write file "set file ",p1 / $ write file "copy/all ",p3," ",p2,"/noconfirm"  $ write file "exit"s $ close file $ @'tempcom'  N Having issued the MAIL COPY command by hand ad nauseum over the last couple ofM days, I can assure you that it injects a spurious CR after the VMS header and-B therefore the email client won't understand it as a MIMEd message.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 19:40:39 GMTl& From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Mystery VAX( Message-ID: <3EB2C9B8.7040703@attbi.com>   Lord Isildur wrote:eK > very odd, ive never seen a vax like this! i cant find any machines in the=I > 1989 or 1990 systems & options catalogs that resemble this box.. though N > from the pictures, the metalwork does look like DEC's style... and the frontP > panel of the machine looks like it might have been intended to match a BA213..= > The BI backplane, seeing it, really makes me think '8200'..> > G > f you can get to the >>> but no 'sho dev' or whatnot, do you at leastd, > see anything printed out when it comes up?E > pop the reset button or power it up with a console attached, to seeuJ > what it tells about itself.. even the KA630 prints out a model name when > it comes up.. K > Otherwise.. perhaps it is a BI MIPS processor? i can imagine such a thing.) > existing, though ive never heard of it.u2 > to get the SID, at the chevron, give the command > e/i 3e! > this should give something likec > 
 >>>>e/i 3e >>>B >   I 0000003E  0A000003 > J > which is what i got from a KA650. (the high byte is the system type, the+ > other parts are for specific models, etc)  > 	 > isildurt > - > On Fri, 2 May 2003, Michael Thompson wrote:e >  > . >>Here are a couple of pictures of the system: >> >>& >>At 10:37 AM 5/2/03 -0400, you wrote: >>K >>>interesting.. it certainly _sounds_ like an 8200 (or another of the samedJ >>>series)... can you get to the chevron on it and get the SID? that would
 >>>settle it.a >>>r
 >>>Isildur >>>1 >>>-. >>>On Fri, 2 May 2003, Michael Thompson wrote: >>>: >>>DO >>>>I just picked up a mystery VAX. It looks like a MV-II but havs a VAXBI bus.s >>>>It that Contains: ( >>>>T1030	KA800-M	010C	VAX RTA Processor& >>>>T1033	MS800-E	n/a	2-MB Exp. Memory% >>>>T1034	DEBNA	410F	Ethernet Adapter, >>>>3 >>>>Where can I get documentation on the KA800 CPU?- >>>>' >>>>It looks like the system can use a: - >>>>T1031	KFBTA		(AIE) BI RD Drive Controller  >>>> >>>>Where can I get:5 >>>>T1001	KA820	0105	Processor, VAX 8200/8300, 200 ns 7 >>>>T1001YA	KA825	0105	Processor, VAX 8250/8350, 160 nss. >>>>T1040	MS820-C	0001	16-MB MOS Memory Module >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>  >>>   D No, it is not a BI MIPS board.  The KA800 is a VAX, but one that VMS5 does not support.  The KA800 was supported by VAXELN.2 --   Cheers, Bobb   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 05:17:03 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>) Subject: Re: Mystery VAX3 Message-ID: <slrnbb5oim.7ph.rivie@Stench.no.domain>L  G In article <vb57j9nb0of45b@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Thompson wrote:BK > To add a little more information... The system looks like a MV-II but is o	 > just a tN > little bigger. The front has room for 6 RD5x drives and a CDROM. There is a P > cable distribution panel behind the drives that looks similar to the one in a P > MV-II but it doesn't plug into the backplane. It has a 9 slot VAXBI card cage L > in the left and normal MV-II bulkhead panels on the rear. The sides hinge  > open eN > to get access to the front and rear of the VAXBI card cage. It looks like a L > finished product, not a protptype. It only says DIGITAL on the front. The $ > system serial number is "PREPILOT"  D Sounds like a VAXstation 8000 to me. This was a collaborative effort0 between Digital and E&S to build a workstation.   D At a previous place of employment, we had a couple of them for VAXBI< development. One we acquired from DEC; I wasn't privy to theC arrangement. It came with MicroVMS 4.5 (IIRC). Later, we added somef& memory to it and ran 5.5 on the thing.  B The second we acquired from E&S after the deal between DEC and E&S
 went sour.  C Neither of our machines had the graphics hardware, so I referred tol them as MicroVAX 8000s.s  D Among other things, we developed a MIL-STD-1553 interface and a quadJ IEEE-488 interface for the VAXBI. ( Since I've mentioned the quad IEEE-488I interface, I'll probably get phone calls about it again; no, I don't havewF any left. No, the company can't make any anymore. No, I don't have any spare parts. Sorry. )  -- a
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 05:21:18 GMTu% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>- Subject: Re: Mystery VAX3 Message-ID: <slrnbb5oql.7ph.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   G In article <vb57j9nb0of45b@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Thompson wrote:.H > To add a little more information... The system looks like a MV-II but  > is just a C > little bigger. The front has room for 6 RD5x drives and a CDROM. e   Oh yeah. Forgot to mention.r  B The VAXstation 8000s that I dealt with had the following equipment in them:   - VAX 8200 processor board. 	 - Memory.n' - Combined Ethernet and TK50 interface.tG - Disk controller for MFM drives and floppies. The floppy was connected2B   to this controller instead of the console port on the processor.8 - KA800. This was used to interface to the E&S hardware.  B One of the two machines we had came with the backplane for the E&S; graphics hardware, but did not include the hardware itself.e   -- l
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:59:55 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: Re: PRODUCT behaviour warning) Message-ID: <3EB2B21A.71CCA37E@istop.com>o   Nic Clews wrote:J > System disk is volume label A0. I'd done an image backup to a saveset toG > a disk I'd mounted /OVER=ID, also with the volume label A0, which was,% > also a version of this system disk.)  H As I recall, PRODUCT makes "interesting" use of the logicals pointing toL disks. If you mounted the second "private" A0 drive, it would have overridenL the logical of the first one and thus, the product install would have likely. thought the second drive was your system disk.  D I recall being bitten by this but not in a way like you, but becauseM standalone backup (fresh VMS install) had initialised the system drive with aeG volume name containing a colon (or something) and when PRODUCT tried toaN concatenate the logical to something else, it broke down in tears with lots ofH warnings, crying, complaining because of invalid file specifications and couldn't do anything.o  K Took me a while to figure this one out (not obvious since we are so used tos% seing the colon after a device name).s   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2003 18:09 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n& Subject: Re: PRODUCT behaviour warning, Message-ID: <2MAY200318094679@gerg.tamu.edu>  y In article <01KVF49MLA7WAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes...aH }> PRODUCT appeared to be translating the DISK$A0 logical at the process@ }> level ignoring the system generated [at mount time] logical.  } H }The latter would be /SYSTEM/EXEC.  Normally, outer-model logical names G }have precedence.  Of course, there are applications which only search  I }the system table and/or executive-mode logicals.  Not sure if this is a  I }bug or feature.  Assuming that it should by default install on the real aE }system disk---how would you do it on a privately mounted one if you a }wanted to?   F The logical name thing ins't a problem. It is pretty much the expected? outcome. A process logical overrides a system logical. The onlyrH exceptions are for things that explicitly search only the system logicalF name table or for things that explicitly limit the logical names to beA translated based on a minimum mode (such as EXEC, which will onlyaF translate executive mode and kernel mode logicals). PCSI is apparently6 not one of the things that restricts by table or mode.  J As for a "how to do what was really wanted"? PROD INSTAL/DEST=x where x isI the appropriate place on the private volume to save the PCSI information.e  C The "problem" is caused by the fact that on a normal VMS system all C the PCSI files are kept in one location. It is not one location persG disk where you are installing stuff, just one location for all productsfG on all disks on the system. That location is SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON] K (well for most of the stuff it is really in the SYSEXE subdirectory of thatt
 location).  C So no matter where the actual software is being installed, the PCSI C database info is in that one location - unless you use /DESTINATIONo( to change the location for that install.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:36:00 -0700h9 From: "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com">-W Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business  CriticalSystems!r/ Message-ID: <vb5lm48k8fbuf1@corp.supernews.com>1   JF Mezei wrote:l! > "gregc at gregcagle.com" wrote:i > < >>BCS includes HP-UX servers. HP-UX workstations are in PSG. >  > , > So who is in charge of HP-UX development ?  6 Good question 8^). Development of the operating system itself is in BCS.a   -- e
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 12:26:10 -0700 9 From: "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com">sY Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical  Systems! d/ Message-ID: <vb5hj6719tuce5@corp.supernews.com>n   JF Mezei wrote:  > N > What is not clear in that memo is whether Marcello inherits HP-UX. Under theE > MAy 7th stucture, Marcello was put in charge of the "dead platforms L > department" (True-64, Alpha) with VMS lumped in, and HP=UX was a different? > department. But in the new structure, HP-UX is not mentioned.l  : BCS includes HP-UX servers. HP-UX workstations are in PSG.   -- -
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 17:43:41 GMTl# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>fW Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems!oH Message-ID: <h7ysa.54620$M81.24088@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  = "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org> wrote in message-6 news:6Pxsa.6081$Lm2.281900@twister.southeast.rr.com...8 > HP Announces Global Realignment of Enterprise Business; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030502a.htmle >g? > Survey on OpenVMS.org will follow soon.  Feel free to suggestp
 questions for2 > the community. >  > Kenh    F "ESG Supply Chain and Operations, Information Technology and MarketingD report jointly to their functional executive vice presidents -- Jeff3 Clarke, Bob Napier and Mike Winkler, respectively "   B If I read this correctly, ESG Marketing reports to Mike "Microsoft Windows" Winkler.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:25:52 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>W Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems!e2 Message-ID: <K7KcnaSGkravJS-jXTWcoA@metrocast.net>  G "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 5 message news:EjWcPhPkhD6W@eisner.encompasserve.org...RG > In article <6Pxsa.6081$Lm2.281900@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth + Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org> writes: : > > HP Announces Global Realignment of Enterprise Business= > > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030502a.html= > >=K > > Survey on OpenVMS.org will follow soon.  Feel free to suggest questions, forE > > the community. > >L >-L > Yes, but from the press release, Scott Stallard just moves up a level, and  > is still Rich Marcello's boss.  G Since Stallard still reports to Blackmore, it's not clear that *anyone*eD actually 'moved up' - though both Stallard and Marcello seem to haveK acquired some new responsibilities (e.g., Marcello now has BCS and StallardEC got some of Mary McDowell's stuff) and possibly lost a few as well.o   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:38:41 -0700a9 From: "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com">eY Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems! Sa. Message-ID: <vb5eq6n3efvc0@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Todd wrote:I > "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 7 > message news:EjWcPhPkhD6W@eisner.encompasserve.org...t  L >>Yes, but from the press release, Scott Stallard just moves up a level, and  >>is still Rich Marcello's boss. >  > I > Since Stallard still reports to Blackmore, it's not clear that *anyone* F > actually 'moved up' - though both Stallard and Marcello seem to haveM > acquired some new responsibilities (e.g., Marcello now has BCS and StallarduE > got some of Mary McDowell's stuff) and possibly lost a few as well..  C Looks to me like they've inserted another layer of management, withv@ Stallard combining BCS, NSS, ISS, and NSK but still reporting to@ Blackmore, and Marcello takes Stallard's old job as head of BCS.   -- d
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:57:59 -04000* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems! Sa) Message-ID: <3EB2BFB2.16FC0DC9@istop.com>   : > > HP Announces Global Realignment of Enterprise Business= > > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030502a.html_  
 Few comments:i  0 If I had done the realignment, I would have had:  ) Stallard report to Blackmore on hardware. $ Marcello report to Blackmore on VMS.$ Nist report to Blackmore for Tandem. Anderson on Windows. ?????? On HP-UX: ?????? On Linux.  N The Stallard layer puts decision makers (Blackmore and above) too far way fromK the grunts who generate the information and allows folks like Stallard "VMS-J customers will migrate to HP-UX" to filter that information and give upper$ management skewed view of the facts.    L What is not clear in that memo is whether Marcello inherits HP-UX. Under theC MAy 7th stucture, Marcello was put in charge of the "dead platforms J department" (True-64, Alpha) with VMS lumped in, and HP=UX was a different= department. But in the new structure, HP-UX is not mentioned.E    J Having said this. If marcello's silence about VMS earned him a significantL promotion where he inherirted control of both VMS and HP-UX, then perhaps weJ may now have an allie with enough power to make changes to VMS' marketing.  H On the other hand, what is better: having one guy having to juggle HP-UXL (important) and VMS (not important) or having two guys at equal level, beingE able to eahc fight for similar juridiction/budgets (eg: if HP-UX getsh6 marketing money, VMS shoudl also get marketing Money).  K As far as Winkler is concerned, I thought he had been relegated to web siteeM design work and not involved at all with anything important ? (especially now G that Capellas is gone, I would have hoped Winkler would have followed).b   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 02:01:09 +0200e4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>Y Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical Systems! SC& Message-ID: <3EB306C5.2090206@Free.fr>   Simon Clubley wrote:s > In article <6Pxsa.6081$Lm2.281900@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org> writes:  > 8 >>HP Announces Global Realignment of Enterprise Business; >>http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030502a.htmla >>M >>Survey on OpenVMS.org will follow soon.  Feel free to suggest questions foru >>the community. >> >  > L > Yes, but from the press release, Scott Stallard just moves up a level, andH > is still Rich Marcello's boss. It is good however to see Rich MarcelloG > continuing to rise up the management chain; I hope that means that at 2 > least nothing sudden and bad will happen to VMS.  O Rich deals with Business Critical Servers. The life of VMS is in Mark Gorham's u hands afaik.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:32:43 -04004* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business CriticalSystems! Cr ) Message-ID: <3EB2D5DF.4F565A2C@istop.com>g   "gregc at gregcagle.com" wrote: < > BCS includes HP-UX servers. HP-UX workstations are in PSG.  * So who is in charge of HP-UX development ?  F The impression I get is that Carly needs to somehow reward people likeN Stallard and the only way to do this is to create new layers to make it appearK like he is getting a promotion with new title and new responsabilities. ThehM thing to do would be to give certain people early retirement package and giveMK that spot to whomever deserves the promotion (or get folks like stallard to 1 retire, eliminating the needs to promote anyone).,  N A thinner corporate structure would allow information to flow more freely fromL the grunts to the decision makers, leading to much better decisions and more1 awareness of the real issues that customers have.   L Right now, Carly and Compaq are more in touch with Gates and Groves than sheK is in touch with her own customers who are way too far down the line to geti her attention.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 12:02:44 -0700I% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>z Subject: Spring cleaning( Message-ID: <3EB2C0D4.6060702@rdrop.com>  F Time to admit I'm never going to use all the stuff I accumulated... I / have the following items I'd like to clear out:.   4 - SWXD3-WE drives (4.3GB)i 1 - RZ1CB-VW drive  (4.3GB)c 2 - RZ29B-VW drives (4GB)i 1 - RZ29C-VW drive  (4GB)l 2 - RZ28-VA  drives (4GB?) 4 - RZ26-VA  drives (2GB) % 2 - BA-356   shelves w/ 2x150 watt PSa   And finally, an HSZ-40.n  G All of the disks and shelves were known functional about a year ago, I e, have no way of knowing about the controller.  H I'm guessing the ~4GB disks are probably worth $10/each, the ~2GB disks F worth $5/each, and the shelves $25/each, plus actual shipping charges.  G Someone make an offer on the controller if you want it- I have no idea  B what it's worth; alternatively, clue me in on how to make it go...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:06:24 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Spring cleaning) Message-ID: <3EB2C1AB.F68CCF45@istop.com>I   Dean Woodward wrote:I > I'm guessing the ~4GB disks are probably worth $10/each, the ~2GB disks0H > worth $5/each, and the shelves $25/each, plus actual shipping charges.  N It's the shipping charges that may kill you ! You should mention where you are	 located !B   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:39:41 -07003% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>e Subject: Re: Spring cleaning( Message-ID: <3EB2D78D.5020401@rdrop.com>   JF Mezei wrote:i   > Dean Woodward wrote: > I >>I'm guessing the ~4GB disks are probably worth $10/each, the ~2GB disks H >>worth $5/each, and the shelves $25/each, plus actual shipping charges. > P > It's the shipping charges that may kill you ! You should mention where you are > located !s  I Portland, Oregon [USA] give or take 20 miles. Shipping via USPS actually sF isn't too bad... I think it was ~$10 USD to ship a VT320 from here to 	 Colorado.b   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:43:13 +0100* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> Subject: Re: Spring cleaning5 Message-ID: <b8uou4$dov1e$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>/   Corrections...2 "Dean Woodward" <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message" news:3EB2C0D4.6060702@rdrop.com...G > Time to admit I'm never going to use all the stuff I accumulated... I 1 > have the following items I'd like to clear out:  >t > 4 - SWXD3-WE drives (4.3GB)l > 1 - RZ1CB-VW drive  (4.3GB)t > 2 - RZ29B-VW drives (4GB)r > 1 - RZ29C-VW drive  (4GB)e# > 2 - RZ28-VA  drives (4GB?)  <<2Gb,H > 4 - RZ26-VA  drives (2GB)    <<1Gb, Suitable for Vax3100 system disks.' > 2 - BA-356   shelves w/ 2x150 watt PSs >b   -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net: http://www.travell.uk.net/       ---g& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/20039   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:01:50 GMT># From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e6 Subject: Re: Synch-on-Green LCD monitor for VaxstationH Message-ID: <iVBsa.78893$kYH.72546@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messageh" news:3EB26F39.99BDBC2@127.0.0.1... > John Smith wrote:  > >0A > > Looking for a recommendation (specific make/model) for an LCDi monitort@ > > (15"/17") for use on a VS4000/60 with the mono graphics card	 (1024x768p? > > @ 72Hz).  I need to temporarily fire-up an old app off-site  (machineF > > currently has no monitor and is at VMS 5.5-2), and figured that itF > > would be simple enough to just bring an LCD with me for the day or twoaF > > that the app needs to run.  I can always use the LCD for something > > else later.T > > C > > Most LCD's will happily run at that resolution and refresh ratea but IeA > > can't seem to find specs for one that will do synch-on-green.c >eA > Try iiyama. They definitely have an LDC with 15 pin subD but its copesS > with sync on green.tC > Model 4315 seems to have the right specs. I can't give you a linktA > because the web site is too flashy. Anyway, www.iiyama.co.uk ->e SKIP -> & > products -> LCD flatscreens -> 4315. > Also in other countries. >s    F Thanks for the pointers, Nic & Stan. Iiyama is hard to get around hereD so I spoke with Samsung today and found that Samsung has quite a fewF LCD models with synch-on-green available as a built-in feature (15 pinD sub-D  connector). Some models with synch-on-green built-in include:   151P 152B 152T 171P 171S 172B 172T 181T 191T  7 They say that all that's required is a VGA-BNC adapter.o  E A couple of notes for others picking up old Vaxstations/Alphastations  on eBay:F 1)  Samsung and NEC both told me that even if, for example, a graphicsC card pumps out 72Hz and the screen is spec'd at 75Hz, there'd be nomA appreciable visible differences for the most part. There may be a D noticeable refresh once in a while, but generally it isn't a problemB with text applications. They said that when dealing with games theD visual artifacting is more bothersome. As far as the electronics areE concerned, for long-term use it's best to match frequencies exactly -oF less wear and tear on the circuits, but for short periods of time it's ok to be 'off-frequency' a bit.e  A 2) Most LCD panels will not permit you to adjust the display modeeC (1024x768, 1280x1024, etc....) from the front panel. They get theirnB resolution settings from the graphics card and any software on the> host. So if the LCD has native resolution of 1280x1024 and theF graphics adapter is capable of only 1024x768, buy a 15" LCD instead of? a 17" panel in order to match native screen resolution with thee graphics adapter output.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:00:25 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>  Subject: Video cards for VMS( Message-ID: <3EB2B239.2060504@rdrop.com>   Aren't these decent cards?  > Compaq / Digital Equipment PowerStorm 4D40T PCI Graphics card:Q http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11212&item=3021459967&rd=1e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 01:39:00 +0200e4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?& Message-ID: <3EB30194.2040006@Free.fr>   Warren Sander wrote: > from the product manager:g ../..e  % The product manager of what, please ?a  5 > May I ask you what was the reason of your research?w  M Course you may. I have recently created in France an independent "HP OpenVMS .L Future Reflexion Group". Within this scope, I have been officially asked to Q perform an intensively documented study on the future of OpenVMS for an european  P company who needs 25 years of commitment on their next IT development platform. N As OpenVMS on IA64 is committed by HP to last 20 years, I wanted to know when ' these 20 years will start to countdown.e  P Today, my Customer uses VMS on VAX systems. VAX systems maintenance will be EOL K in 2010. If VMS V8 is available next year or in two years or so AND if the iO commitment from HP to the DOD is still a commitment, I can easily recommend my b' Customer to "go itanium" without risks.t  O However, if the future of VMS is not that clear (but a special 7.2 version for iQ the DOD which does not include 7.3 features afaik) mainly because of an absolute iI absence of advertising to "regular" Customers from HP worldwide and more tP precisely in Europe (but I will not go back to this issue here again), I will - I following my conscience - suggest my Customer to think about IBM pSeries gJ 650/Linux systems which seem, to me, to be the only valid, attractive and K serious solution to replace VAX/VMS systems for the kind of development my h Customer is doing.   D.   Sector7 France representatives http://www.sector7france.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.243 ************************