1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 04 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 245       Contents: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure... ( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1/ Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.) / Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)  Re: DCL routine required. $ Don't Quote Me, was (Re: DCL coding)( Re: Don't Quote Me, was (Re: DCL coding)( Re: Don't Quote Me, was (Re: DCL coding)2 Re: Heat output for DEC / Compaq / HP equipment???= RE: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! = Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! 6 Re: Improvements in TCP/IP Services anti-spam features Re: Infoserver replacement& Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris& Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris3 Relinquishing control of device when others need it E Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical  Re: Spring cleaning  Re: Spring cleaning 7 RE: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? * Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a system  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:55:11 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?0 Message-ID: <00A1F504.1818FC38@SendSpamHere.ORG>  M In article <03050308583156@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes:  >> > the beer is all right.  >>> >> Alright? ALRIGHT?  Don't let anyone hear you say that, else1 >> that's you excluded.  Don't you like Guinness?  > K >Have not been following this thread - by accident I opened and saw "beer".  > . >Did someone say BEER???  My favorite subject! > Q >I enjoy Guinness and Boddingtons.  I have been to Germany and enjoyed the beer!  H >American beer - I like - however there was something about German beer.  M I'm with you on the Guinness but the Boddingtons wouldn't be my choice unless  there was nothing else on tap.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 03 20:27:10 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?) Message-ID: <3i0jA+nDaXGe@elias.decus.ch>   M In article <03050308583156@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes:  >> > the beer is all right.  >>> >> Alright? ALRIGHT?  Don't let anyone hear you say that, else1 >> that's you excluded.  Don't you like Guinness?  > L > Have not been following this thread - by accident I opened and saw "beer". > / > Did someone say BEER???  My favorite subject!  > R > I enjoy Guinness and Boddingtons.  I have been to Germany and enjoyed the beer! I > American beer - I like - however there was something about German beer.  >   C I assure you that Guiness imported direct from Dublin is absolutely E wonderful. Boddingtons over here in .ch proves that some beers do not H travel well - it can be wonderful in the right pub in Manchester though.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 03 20:49:05 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?) Message-ID: <XARXzgubsAK$@elias.decus.ch>   U In article <00A1F504.1818FC38@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: O > In article <03050308583156@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes:  >>> > the beer is all right. >>> ? >>> Alright? ALRIGHT?  Don't let anyone hear you say that, else 2 >>> that's you excluded.  Don't you like Guinness? >>L >>Have not been following this thread - by accident I opened and saw "beer". >>/ >>Did someone say BEER???  My favorite subject!  >>R >>I enjoy Guinness and Boddingtons.  I have been to Germany and enjoyed the beer! I >>American beer - I like - however there was something about German beer.  > O > I'm with you on the Guinness but the Boddingtons wouldn't be my choice unless   > there was nothing else on tap. >   H Find a fairly rough pub in Manchester (where Boddies comes from) full ofE builders (who are choosy about their beer), and you might change your H mind about Boddies :-) You need to go for the "hand pumped" variety, not electic or gas driven stuff.  F Ditto for Tetleys/John Smiths/Theakston in Yorkshire, although outsideC towns/cities the "rough pub full of builders" does not necessarily  H apply. Recalling your posts about your last visit to the UK, many of theK countryside pubs in North England _will_ allow kids in, so long as they are & well behaved / under parental control.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 19:55:29 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?0 Message-ID: <00A1F514.E649FE1F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <XARXzgubsAK$@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: I >Find a fairly rough pub in Manchester (where Boddies comes from) full of F >builders (who are choosy about their beer), and you might change yourI >mind about Boddies :-) You need to go for the "hand pumped" variety, not  >electic or gas driven stuff.  > G >Ditto for Tetleys/John Smiths/Theakston in Yorkshire, although outside D >towns/cities the "rough pub full of builders" does not necessarily   L Tetleys was OK.  John Smiths came across as the UK Budweiser of bitters and L ales.  Theakston (of Old Peculiar fame) is good stuff too.  I rather enjoyedK sampling of all of the local bitters when frequenting pubs across the south L of England.  Perhaps next trip we'll traverse parts north of London England; at least, a trip to Aylesbury.    I >apply. Recalling your posts about your last visit to the UK, many of the L >countryside pubs in North England _will_ allow kids in, so long as they are' >well behaved / under parental control.   L My brats are well beyond my control.  I have a difficult time keeping myself" well behaved and under control. :)  M At least the brat left me alone for three days -- to a tune of about 25/day  K each -- for three days whilst at Butlins in Minehead so I could imbibe with  friends and enjoy the tunes.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 02:35:18 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?5 Message-ID: <b91n8a$epd5i$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   ( <brandon@dalsemi.com> schreef in bericht+ news:03050308583156@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...  > > > the beer is all right. > > ? > > Alright? ALRIGHT?  Don't let anyone hear you say that, else 2 > > that's you excluded.  Don't you like Guinness? > L > Have not been following this thread - by accident I opened and saw "beer". > / > Did someone say BEER???  My favorite subject!  > K > I enjoy Guinness and Boddingtons.  I have been to Germany and enjoyed the  beer! I > American beer - I like - however there was something about German beer.  >  > Not to change the subject... > 1 While we're at it, did you ever try belgian beer?    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2003 16:28:34 -0700 - From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)  Subject: Backup procedure...= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0305031528.5389f680@posting.google.com>    Hi all: D   Im looking for a backup procedure to make a backup operation and =   put output to my terminal and a output file too. Like this:      9    $ backup/log/noassist/select=(login.com) mkb200:*.* []       20100 mounted in mkb200: "      now reading b20030401 saveset"      now reading b20030402 saveset	         . 	         . 	         .       created []login.com;33      @   I wanna see all this informations in my terminal and put this 4   informations in a output file too. Any sugestion ?      Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 19:45:00 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>   Subject: Re: Backup procedure...< Message-ID: <howard-14379D.19450003052003@enews.newsguy.com>  = In article <ddf392ea.0305031528.5389f680@posting.google.com>, /  contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) wrote:   B >   I wanna see all this informations in my terminal and put this 6 >   informations in a output file too. Any sugestion ?  H I wonder if the PIPE command could be useful for this.  I'm not sure if  there's a TEE command, though.   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:15:55 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>   Subject: Re: Backup procedure...2 Message-ID: <BAD9A9CB.7D22%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   On 5/3/03 4:45 PM, in article @ howard-14379D.19450003052003@enews.newsguy.com, "Howard S Shubs" <howard@shubs.net> wrote:   ? > In article <ddf392ea.0305031528.5389f680@posting.google.com>, 0 > contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) wrote: > B >>   I wanna see all this informations in my terminal and put this7 >>   informations in a output file too. Any sugestion ?  > I > I wonder if the PIPE command could be useful for this.  I'm not sure if   > there's a TEE command, though.  6 A simple TEE.COM (Only good for interactive process) :   $ OPEN/WRITE TERM TT $LOOP: $ READ/END=EXIT SYS$INPUT LINE $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT LINE  $ WRITE TERM TT  $ GOTO LOOP  $EXIT: $ EXIT   Then use PIPE :   ? $ PIPE <your command> | @TEE.COM | COPY SYS$INPUT <output file>    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:35:11 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: Backup procedure...' Message-ID: <3EB47C5F.F9610686@fsi.net>    Shiva MahaDeva wrote:  > 	 > Hi all: E >   Im looking for a backup procedure to make a backup operation and ? >   put output to my terminal and a output file too. Like this:  > ; >    $ backup/log/noassist/select=(login.com) mkb200:*.* []  >      20100 mounted in mkb200: $ >      now reading b20030401 saveset$ >      now reading b20030402 saveset >         .  >         .  >         .  >      created []login.com;33  > A >   I wanna see all this informations in my terminal and put this 6 >   informations in a output file too. Any sugestion ?   Ooohhh, that's a messy one.   F To my knowledge, BACKUP by itself will not do what you want. I've done9 it, and it worked (a DR proc.), but I don't recommend it.    It goes something like this:  
 $ GOT_VOL = 0  $ MOUNT/FOREIGN ddcu: 	 $label_1:  $ OPEN/READ TAPE ddcu:	 $label_2:  $ READ/END=EOF_TAPE TAPE P9  $ LBLID = F$EXTR( 0, 3, P9 ) $ IF .NOT. GOT_VOL THEN -  $ GOT_VOL = (LBLID .EQS. "VOL")  $ IF LBLID .EQS. "VOL" THEN -  $ GOTO label_2 $ LBLID = F$EXTR( 0, 4, P9 ) $ IF LBLID .EQS. "HDR1" THEN - $ GOSUB label_3  $ GOTO label_2
 $EOF_TAPE: $ CLOSE TAPE $ IF	GOT_VOL $ THEN $	SET MAGTAPE/SKIP=-2 ddcu: 
 $	GOT_VOL = 0  $ ELSE $	SET MAGTAPE/SKIP=-3 ddcu:  $ ENDIF , $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT " now reading ", SVSETNAM $!  $! Use BACKUP to do the restore. $!5 $! Notice that BACKUP will leave the tape positioned  8 $! at the tape mark after the last set of label records.3 $! Thus, the next READ will result in EOF, and two  + $! consecutive EOFs on a READ indicate EOV.  $!= $! Remember to be sensitive to the possibility that a saveset < $! may span volume boundaries. I.e., the file ending at the > $! current tape position (after a restore) will be EOV labels, $! not EOF labels. 	. 	. 	.	 $label_3: ; $! Extract the saveset name from the HDR1 record, assign it . $! to the symbol SVSETNAM. I believe it may be! $! SVSETNAM = F$EXTR( 4, 17, P9 ) % $! but I'm not 100% certain just now.  $ RETURN  G That's from memory, very rough and incomplete, but that's the basics of  it.   " ANSI labelled tapes read this way:   - BOT -  VOL1 record (80 bytes).  HDR1 record (80 bytes).  HDR2 record (80 bytes).  (other HDR records optional)
 - TAPE MARK -  saveset contents
 - TAPE MARK -  EOF1 label (80 bytes)  EOF2 label (80 bytes). (other EOF records optional)
 - TAPE MARK -  HDR1 record (80 bytes).  HDR2 record (80 bytes).  (other HDR record optional) 
 - TAPE MARK -  saveset contents
 - TAPE MARK -  EOF1 label (80 bytes). EOF2 label (80 bytes). (other EOF records optional)
 - TAPE MARK - 8 - TAPE MARK -		Second tape mark with no intervening data 			indicates end-of-tape (EOT).   B If a saveset spans volume boundaries, the volume will end like so:( EOV1 label (80 bytes).	(Instead of EOF1)( EOV2 label (80 bytes).	(Instead of EOF2) (other EOV records optional)
 - TAPE MARK - 8 - TAPE MARK -		Second tape mark with no intervening data 			indicates end-of-tape (EOT).   F There is, of course, no clue provided as to what the label of the next volume in the series will be.   G Hope this helps. To my knowledge, BACKUP by itself will not do what you  want.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2003 17:07:35 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 3 Message-ID: <3K$SbcUGDNVV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3EB211B0.9000706@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes: Q > Is there any other interest in case sensitivity for passwords than to increase  1 > the number of different passwords combinations?   ' Meeting organization-wide requirements.   9 Selling VMS to organizations that have such requirements.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2003 17:10:01 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 3 Message-ID: <d+ayb$kwI1bM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <3EB2B134.5040700@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:  F > Myself, I'd like to disallow subsequent passwords with an identical G > string of X characters (after smashing case). For example, I used to  @ > have a user to happily told me (grr...) that her password was G > "mickeyMMYY", after a certain cartoon mouse, appended with month and   > year.   A That is why VMS provides a password selection callout, so you can ! institute a site-specific policy.   9 When the ACME interface is released, that will be easier.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 22:03:07 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> 8 Subject: Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)6 Message-ID: <3eb4207b$0$49107$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:I >>No it is NOT a typo! I have reread what I wrote and it IS what I mean!  F >>Note that the firts line (with a lot of single quotes) has the same  >  >  > oh-oh - firts? >  > J >>effect as the second line. The intention is to get single quotes in the H >>output line, not to have the symbol B substituted before the WRITE is  >>executed.  >  > E > Fine!  What I really want to know is, what the hell is "firts"?  ;)  >  > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administrator  > Dallas Semiconductor > john.brandon@dalsemi.com > 972.371.4172 wk  > 972.371.4003 fx     & OK, OK, the second time I made a typo.  G My point is, there are several ways to get the result you want. But if  D you write DCL code containing 4 consecutive single quotes where the D correct coding is only one single quote, I suggest that you do some B testing before write your final version. Three consecutive single E quotes, or for that matter, two of those outside quoted strings, are  & simply no-ops, and should not be used.  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 22:28:28 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> 8 Subject: Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)6 Message-ID: <3eb4266c$0$49099$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Bart Zorn wrote: > brandon@dalsemi.com wrote: > E >>> No it is NOT a typo! I have reread what I wrote and it IS what I  I >>> mean! Note that the firts line (with a lot of single quotes) has the  	 >>> same   >> >> >> >> oh-oh - firts?  >> >>H >>> effect as the second line. The intention is to get single quotes in E >>> the output line, not to have the symbol B substituted before the   >>> WRITE is executed. >> >> >>F >> Fine!  What I really want to know is, what the hell is "firts"?  ;) >> >> John Brandon  >> VMS Systems Administrator >> Dallas Semiconductor  >> john.brandon@dalsemi.com  >> 972.371.4172 wk >> 972.371.4003 fx >  >  > ( > OK, OK, the second time I made a typo. > I > My point is, there are several ways to get the result you want. But if  F > you write DCL code containing 4 consecutive single quotes where the F > correct coding is only one single quote, I suggest that you do some D > testing before write your final version. Three consecutive single G > quotes, or for that matter, two of those outside quoted strings, are  ( > simply no-ops, and should not be used. >  > Bart Zorn  >  >  >   H Just after I prssed the send button of the previous message, I found in K the original thread of this topic an other example of redundant DCL coding:   ! $ DAY = F$CVTIME(F$TIME(),,"DAY")    which should have been:    $ DAY = F$CVTIME(,,"DAY")    OK, I am a bigot.   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 17:49:48 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> " Subject: Re: DCL routine required.2 Message-ID: <BAD94F4C.7C40%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   On 5/2/03 8:47 PM, in article 8 10822590.0305021947.70bd8f5d@posting.google.com, "Johno"' <JohnEllicottington@lycos.co.uk> wrote:    > HiG > Any suggestions how I can program into my command procedure a routine H > that tests for the first working day of the month (I.E: Mon, Tue, Wed,H > Thu, Fri only). The routine would still have to work if the first fellH > on a Saturday or Sunday with the first working day therefore being the > second or third of the month.  > Thanks in advance. > Johno    Here you are :  # $ DAY   = F$CVTIME(F$TIME(),,"DAY") ' $ WDAY  = F$CVTIME(F$TIME(),,"WEEKDAY") - $ WKDAY = "Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,Friday" J $ FIRST_WORKDAY = ((DAY .EQS. "01") .AND. (WKDAY-WDAY .NES. WKDAY)) .OR. -G                   ((WDAY .EQS. "Monday") .AND. (F$INTEGER(DAY) .LE. 3))  $ IF (FIRST_WORKDAY) $ THENA $     WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Today is the first workday of the month."  $ ELSE $ ENDIF    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 23:56:49 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> - Subject: Don't Quote Me, was (Re: DCL coding) 2 Message-ID: <BAD9A550.7D1C%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  G On 5/3/03 1:28 PM, in article 3eb4266c$0$49099$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl, , "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> wrote:   > Bart Zorn wrote: >> brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:  >>  E >>>> No it is NOT a typo! I have reread what I wrote and it IS what I I >>>> mean! Note that the firts line (with a lot of single quotes) has the 
 >>>> same  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>> oh-oh - firts? >>>  >>> H >>>> effect as the second line. The intention is to get single quotes inE >>>> the output line, not to have the symbol B substituted before the  >>>> WRITE is executed.  >>>  >>>  >>> G >>> Fine!  What I really want to know is, what the hell is "firts"?  ;)  >>>  >>> John Brandon >>> VMS Systems Administrator  >>> Dallas Semiconductor >>> john.brandon@dalsemi.com >>> 972.371.4172 wk  >>> 972.371.4003 fx  >>   >>   >>  ) >> OK, OK, the second time I made a typo.  >>  I >> My point is, there are several ways to get the result you want. But if F >> you write DCL code containing 4 consecutive single quotes where theF >> correct coding is only one single quote, I suggest that you do someD >> testing before write your final version. Three consecutive singleG >> quotes, or for that matter, two of those outside quoted strings, are ) >> simply no-ops, and should not be used.  >>   >> Bart Zorn >>   >>   >>   > I > Just after I prssed the send button of the previous message, I found in M > the original thread of this topic an other example of redundant DCL coding:  > # > $ DAY = F$CVTIME(F$TIME(),,"DAY")  >  > which should have been:  >  > $ DAY = F$CVTIME(,,"DAY")  >  > OK, I am a bigot.  >  > Bart Zorn  >  OK Bart!  ) That's my code you are talking about now!   F But you are right! It is one of my pet-peves to see either the misuse,F misunderstanding, and some times ignorance of the use of double single@ quotes in a double quoted string. The most common one I see is :   $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''symbol'"    It just pisses me off!  F I even wrote a web page article on this topic called, "Don't Quote Me"2 located at  http://www.jcameron.com/vms/quote.htm.  $ Spread the word! But don't quote me.   Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:06:04 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 1 Subject: Re: Don't Quote Me, was (Re: DCL coding) ' Message-ID: <3EB4758C.B6D6E27E@fsi.net>    Jeff Cameron wrote:  > I > On 5/3/03 1:28 PM, in article 3eb4266c$0$49099$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl, . > "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> wrote: >  > > Bart Zorn wrote: > >> brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:  > >>G > >>>> No it is NOT a typo! I have reread what I wrote and it IS what I K > >>>> mean! Note that the firts line (with a lot of single quotes) has the  > >>>> same  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>  > >>> oh-oh - firts? > >>>  > >>> J > >>>> effect as the second line. The intention is to get single quotes inG > >>>> the output line, not to have the symbol B substituted before the  > >>>> WRITE is executed.  > >>>  > >>>  > >>> I > >>> Fine!  What I really want to know is, what the hell is "firts"?  ;)  > >>>  > >>> John Brandon > >>> VMS Systems Administrator  > >>> Dallas Semiconductor > >>> john.brandon@dalsemi.com > >>> 972.371.4172 wk  > >>> 972.371.4003 fx  > >> > >> > >>+ > >> OK, OK, the second time I made a typo.  > >>K > >> My point is, there are several ways to get the result you want. But if H > >> you write DCL code containing 4 consecutive single quotes where theH > >> correct coding is only one single quote, I suggest that you do someF > >> testing before write your final version. Three consecutive singleI > >> quotes, or for that matter, two of those outside quoted strings, are + > >> simply no-ops, and should not be used.  > >> > >> Bart Zorn > >> > >> > >> > > K > > Just after I prssed the send button of the previous message, I found in O > > the original thread of this topic an other example of redundant DCL coding:  > > % > > $ DAY = F$CVTIME(F$TIME(),,"DAY")  > >  > > which should have been:  > >  > > $ DAY = F$CVTIME(,,"DAY")  > >  > > OK, I am a bigot.  > > 
 > > Bart Zorn  > > 
 > OK Bart! > + > That's my code you are talking about now!  > H > But you are right! It is one of my pet-peves to see either the misuse,H > misunderstanding, and some times ignorance of the use of double singleB > quotes in a double quoted string. The most common one I see is : >  > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''symbol'"  >  > It just pisses me off! > H > I even wrote a web page article on this topic called, "Don't Quote Me"4 > located at  http://www.jcameron.com/vms/quote.htm. > & > Spread the word! But don't quote me.  H Sometimes that's done to make it obvious from a job log (with SET VERIFYH in effect) exactly what the content of a string symbol was at a specific time.   - In other cases, that's the only way it works:   $ $ READ lnm symbol/PROMPT="''symbol'"  ! $ READ lnm/KEY="''symbol'" symbol    $ REQUEST "''symbol'"    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:56:33 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 1 Subject: Re: Don't Quote Me, was (Re: DCL coding) ' Message-ID: <3EB48161.4CB7239D@fsi.net>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Jeff Cameron wrote: 
 > > [snip]! > > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''symbol'"  > >  > > It just pisses me off! > > J > > I even wrote a web page article on this topic called, "Don't Quote Me"6 > > located at  http://www.jcameron.com/vms/quote.htm. > > ( > > Spread the word! But don't quote me. > J > Sometimes that's done to make it obvious from a job log (with SET VERIFYJ > in effect) exactly what the content of a string symbol was at a specific > time.  > / > In other cases, that's the only way it works:  > & > $ READ lnm symbol/PROMPT="''symbol'" > # > $ READ lnm/KEY="''symbol'" symbol  >  > $ REQUEST "''symbol'"   6 Actually, that's not entirely true. In some cases, ...   $ REQUEST &symbol   G ..., for example, will produce a desired result, even though it doesn't D reflect the content of (symbol) in the job log when SET VERIFY is inF effect. I tested this on "READ lnm/KEY=&symbol" and READ .../PROMPT=&a  2 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a = "David, tell me a story..." DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ request &a   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-MAY-2003 20:36:28.39  %%%%%%%%%%%% Message from user DDACHTERA on DJAS01 ( _DJAS01$NTY1:, David, tell me a story...# DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a = "DDACHTERA " - DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ open/read/write uaf sysuaf % DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ read uaf/key=&a p9  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ close uaf2 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a = "David, tell me a story..."0 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ read sys$command p9/prompt=&a, David, tell me a story...Once upon a time... DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sym p9   P9 = "Once upon a time..."   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 00:43:11 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>; Subject: Re: Heat output for DEC / Compaq / HP equipment??? 2 Message-ID: <b91gvc$ark$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Mike Rechtman wrote: > Alan Adams wrote:  > 4 >>In message <oUaScVmvHdrI@eisner.encompasserve.org>8 >>          young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote: >> >>^ >>>In article <b1ucg0$16iqdu$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: >>> N >>>>"Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD> schreef in bericht1 >>>>news:Or0vo3cSBshP@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >>>>O >>>>>Our data center is gradually getting warmer? Global warming from the ozone O >>>>>layer has been ruled out :-) We're likely maxing out our air conditioning.  >>>>> O >>>>>I've been ordered to come up with a list of heat load for all of our DEC / O >>>>>Compaq / HP equipment in our data center. I used to know where to get that L >>>>>info: the "Systems and Options Catalog". That covers my old stuff, like >>>>>2100, 4100, and 8400. >>H >>Not the answer, but some caveats to apply when looking for the answer. >>L >>There are two (useful) ratings for a piece of equipment - fuse rating, andM >>running current. When equipment is switched on, there is an inrush current, M >>which does things like charge up power supply capacitors, and start motors. N >>The fusing rating wil allow for this. The running current may be a factor ofM >>ten or more less than this. Most equipment has the fusing rating printed on M >>the back. The running load is harder to find. For air conditioning you need < >>the running current. For a UPS you need the fusing rating. >>N >>Anecdote: We had a Compaq rack with two DS20E's in it. Our new owner decidedL >>to uprate it, sent it off, and it came back with dual processors, 1GB ram,K >>and a Storageworks array (whose designation I forget) full of 18GB disks,  >>approx 0.8TB in total. >>J >>We plugged it in to the 16amp 240volt socket (this is in the UK) and the) >>circuit tripped - at the 30amp breaker.  >>N >>We plugged the equipment into a PAT (portable appliance) tester, which blew,- >>along with the circuit it was running from.  >>H >>Compaq were unable to tell us the inrush for the equipment. The fusingJ >>figures were not particularly helpful as the shelf figures depend on theF >>disks used. Eventually we provided a dedicated circuit, with a mainsK >>recorder, and got it running. The inrush was 160amps. This is because all J >>the disk drives started up at once, and there were about 40 of them. TheK >>equipment will run continuously on a 32 Amp circuit, provided the circuit M >>will handle the inrush. The operating procedure after a power cut is now to M >>turn off all the internal breakers, power up the room, then turn on subsets I >>of the equipment in stages, in particular switching on the disk shelves @ >>separately. This means that no automatic recovery is possible. >>F >>(Note that this was done by the new owner while I was working out my< >>voluntary redundancy period. It caused me some amusement.) >>H >>Those of us who remember RA81/82 will no doubt also remember the powerN >>sequencing cables, which caused the disks to spin uo one at a time so as notN >>to shut down the site. It seems to me this technology needs to be reinvented >>for raid arrays.  E No it doesn't. Quite often this is a setting in the raid array setup.    >> >>Alan >> >>-- >>Alan Adams( >>alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk >>http://www.nckc.org.uk/  >  > > > From what I dredge up from memory there are several types of > circuit-breakers. J > One ("type L" IIRC) for lighting/heating appliances current, where there > is no  > significant startup rush. J > Another ("type G" ?) withstands much higher initial startup current, but > is  ? > more sensitive to overloads lasting more than a few seconds.  F > note: The terms L and G are IIRC from the VDE standard, used by many
 > European1 > manufacturers. UK/U.S.A. terms probably differ. I > Computer rooms have mainly inductive-type loads, so G type breakers are  > inJ > general preferable. (Had to change a couple of hundred way back whan...) >  > Mike >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 14:42:30 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> F Subject: RE: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ED020@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Bill,   F <<< How, exactly?  You made an assertion (which I quoted above, so youF can once again see *exactly* what that assertion was), and I asked forG evidence to back it up.  Your assertion was not that I had flouted some H expectations set by the group's originator (which also remains in doubt,B since you've provided neither the details of such expectations norE evidence that they did not lapse when the group eventually decided to H makes its activities public), but that I had broken a specific agreement that *I* had made.>>>   G And my response was the to provide the following extract from the first A moderator email sent to the private newsgroup of which your email G address was on the TO list: (go back to the archives you mentioned that  you had)  ( "What do I want from you at this point ?' --------------------------------------- E Two important things, the first of which is confidentiality.  I don't 4 want the whole world knowing of our discussion.."=20  E Enough is enough. Time to move on. You obviously associate anyone who H disagrees with you (even in a small part, you do have some valid points)C as part some master plot with black helicopters all over the place.   E Yes, things sometimes do get emotional, but one needs to teach school H kids that there is a big difference between disagreeing with someone andH adopting school yard name calling as if that will make any difference as8 to the outcome of the discussion and/or disagreement.=20  ! Ah well, some kids never learn ..   G Go ahead - step up to the podium - you have the last shot on this issue  .=20   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM      > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 > Sent: April 28, 2003 2:03 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H > Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! >=20 >=20 >=204 > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message@ > news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ECFFC@kaoexc01.america > s.cpqcorp.net. > .. > Bill,  >=20E > >>> what I asked for was some evidence of your assertion that I hadrH > "agree[d] to keep all conversations in that forum private" (a somewhatD > different and decidely more specific restriction, coupled with theA > assertion that it had not only been expressed but also activelyg > accepted).<<<u >=20G > > What gobblie goop - a lawyer would have a great time with all that.t >=20@ > How, exactly?  You made an assertion (which I quoted above,=20 > so you can oncenB > again see *exactly* what that assertion was), and I asked for=20
 > evidence to @ > back it up.  Your assertion was not that I had flouted some=20 > expectations setF > by the group's originator (which also remains in doubt, since you've: > provided neither the details of such expectations nor=20 > evidence that they did= > not lapse when the group eventually decided to makes its=20e > activities public),d? > but that I had broken a specific agreement that *I* had made.l >=20@ > But of course you have a history of respecting accuracy and=20 > truth about as8 > much as Compaq did, so this is not surprising, just=20 > disgusting - especiallyEA > in its attempt to divert attention from your original lie by=20a > denigrating the 8 > source of the clear evidence that proves it to be one. >=20< > As for your other crap, you've once again ignored the 3=20 > statements you made-@ > that *unequivocally* indicated that the ports of VMS et al.=20 > would *require*O@ > Alpha-related changes to Itanic and instead concentrated on=20 > quibbling overG > your many other statements that simply supported that view without ass; > explicitly stating it.  More typical sleaze on your part.t >=20= > It's not as if you had a reputation here to protect, you=20x > know:  that went by @ > the boards two years ago, and interactions such as this one=20 > only serve to @ > remind people once again how intellectually (and blatantly)=20 > dishonest you > > are, which of course hardly reflects well on your current=20 > employer eitherIA > (though Carly's actions during the merger battle pretty much=20y > took care of< > HP's reputation in such areas already).  This makes you=20 > appear not onlyaB > sleazy but stupid as well:  is that really the image you feel=20 > you ought (or) > want) to project?  >=20 > - bill >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2003 15:34:03 -05007- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)SF Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!3 Message-ID: <0Ch1xuv4dD0b@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  f In article <3eaeeb8b.344824410@news.eircom.net>, wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes:G > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:10:50 -0400, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>u > wrote: > : >>As to it not being the same architecture, there are manyJ >>changes between the Merced, McKinley, Madison, Montecito etc in the sameI >>manner as there are many architecture differences between EV4, EV5, EV6oF >>and EV7 Alpha architectures. I only stated that the IPF-2 (Mckinley)A >>would be different than the initial Merced and it certainly is.  > H > Has the architecture changed? I thought Itanium 2 implemented the sameF > architecture as Itanium 1, just with a different design, but I could > be wrong.r  E It is different enough in the bootstrap area that VMS Development has E posted here saying they are relying on a kludge with a floppy to bootjE Itanium 1 because the bootstrap they have designed for Itanium 2 willu not work with Itanium 1.  A This reminds me of the differences between the various VAX 11/7x0 F machines, crucial to those writing the operating system but immaterial for user programs.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2003 16:44:17 -0500e- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen).? Subject: Re: Improvements in TCP/IP Services anti-spam featuresr3 Message-ID: <BQ5Q+9p+kcAX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3EAECE7E.2EEEA526@yahoo.com>, John Johnstone <jj_usenet2@yahoo.com> writes:   I > Since 85% of our spam that isn't blocked has an invalid return address,eA > that means all of those messages will be generating a bounce ton
 > Postmaster.d  C In SMTP terms, if you issue a REJECT in those situation, the burden.C falls on the sending system (either owned by the spammer or the oneo with an open relay).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 15:32:20 -0400d From: Everhart <ge@gce.com>h# Subject: Re: Infoserver replacement + Message-ID: <b915g9$a52$1@bob.news.rcn.net>n  > If you don't care about booting from the thing, there are freeF remote tape and disk drivers for VMS that could just be used. Likewise$ cdrecord can be used to record CD-R.  E The ones I know of work over DECnet or TCP/IP (different programs for + different network stacks) but are reliable.r  F It just occurred to me a couple days ago that my problems with ideplex@ on VMS 7.3-1 probably just reflect a need to lock different lunsI so sequences of io$_diagnose actions on different devices don't interfereFB with each other. IDEplex probably lacks the sophistication to keepG these quite as separate as VMS needs them to be. The drivers for normalcE cases where one disk to an ID or one tape to an ID are used should beb
 just fine.     Robert Deininger wrote:r5 > In article <OOBI0EUF$cX8@eisner.encompasserve.org>,pE > clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote:t >  > D >>In article <3EB25DE0.6190.14A76F57@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" >  > <stan@stanq.com> writes: > D >>>If HP would release the documentation on the Infoserver protocol I >>>(LAD, LAST, etc.), I bet the open-source community would jump on it.  t >>O >>About 3-4 years ago, when I got my first hobbyist machine, a VAX, I asked onesH >>of the VMS engineers informally if there was any chance of having thisL >>information released, as writing a Infoserver protocol level emulation wasI >>precisely what I wanted to do. I was told that this information was not > >>available and that there were no plans to make it available. >  > L > Since there have been 2 or 3 reorganizaions since then, it might be a good > idea to re-ask the question.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 20:41:08 GMT % From: Milton <mbhewitt@optonline.net>y/ Subject: Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solarisi8 Message-ID: <v6a8bvc29b9iq8tnc3r0k9ov33cmoopomr@4ax.com>  7 On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:37:14 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"1 <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >Milton wrote: >> y: >> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:09:41 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"! >> <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:M >> 0L >> >Okay, now that we have our STK L700E libraries running, our ACSLS serverK >> >talking to DCSC and thence to SLS, I need to get data from ACSLS, whiche >> >runs on Solaris. >> > >> >My question is:e >> >K >> >Is there some way to eliminate the need to have passwords in clear text I >> >on RSHELL commands in our DCL procedures? Is there some kind of proxyuK >> >and/or trusted host relationship I can set up on Solaris so that I needa. >> >only pass a username on my RSHELL command? >> >	 >> >Info:E >> >VMS V7.3-1 >> >Multinet V4.4 Rev A-X  >> >Solaris/8 (Sparc)s >> >ACSLS V6.0.1 >> n< >> I believe you need to create a mcf file on the sun server >> with them >> access=user_id  >> hostname= host_nameC >> with that being the user_id and server that is requesting accesse >>  F >> Read  the Sun SAM-FS and Sun SAM-QFS Storage and Archive Management >> Guide6 >> http://docs-pdf.sun.com/816-2544-10/816-2544-10.pdf >> or.5 >> ftp://docs-pdf.sun.com/816-2544-10/816-2544-10.pdfg >cI >I'll take a look at those at work tomorrow. I read this group via googler >during the day. >p >> According to this document:5 >> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP3359/SP3359PF.PDFl >> l@ >> The DCSC kit includes a Configuration File Editor to create aI >> configuration file used to describe the transport and ACS environ-ment I >> to DCSC. DCSC reads this file to determine the operation, network, andl" >> transport resource allocations. >p6 >I have become quite familiar with that facility, yes. >nE >> If I understand this correctlly that is what is needed to create a   >> connection tween VMS and Sun. >m >Yes, that is quite correct. n > G >The issue now is getting data from ACSLS to make up for short-falls in2I >SLS and DCSC, and issues that neither DCSC nor SLS were ever intended tog	 >address.   F I assume from your silence, that the info I posted was what you needed to do the job?     Cheers,n Milton   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 20:55:55 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris-' Message-ID: <3EB4732B.CA7F67D6@fsi.net>m  
 Milton wrote:  > [snip]H > I assume from your silence, that the info I posted was what you needed > to do the job?   Well, sort of.  F The combination of /etc/hosts.equiv and ~/.rhosts does allow me to runG my rsh from VMS without the password so long as my VMS username matchese- the target username (on the Solaris machine).b  C What I wanted was for that to work regardless of the source machineoH username (DDACHTERA, OPERATOR, etc.). AFAICT, the only way to accomplishE that is to have a Solaris user entry with the same username as on thea, host machine, which is what I need to avoid.  B In essence, I need the equivalent of a DECnet proxy on the SolarisG machine that says any user on node MUMBLE can access any account on the G Solaris machine simply by specifiying the target username in the accessI control string.   H DCSC does actually provide a partial work-around for the export process,F but not when cartridges in the library have been (re)entered since, inF ACSLS, such tapes belong to the fictitious username SYSTEM, and not my
 VMS cluster.    B Thus I must still RSHELL to the machine to run the volumes by userH report, trap the output, then use SEARCH to (quickly) find those entriesF which belong to user SYSTEM and have VM as the first two characters ofH the volume label. Then, I must build a list of ACSLS commands to set theF owner of those cart.'s back to my cluster's id., FTP that command listG to the Solaris box (haven't figured out Multinet's RCP syntax yet - the4F HELP is not accurate) and then RSHELL again to execute those commands.H Once that's accomplished, I can use SLS INVENTORY ACS for each volume to update the MDMS database.e  H I sure wish they'd have come to my partner and me before they decided toF shove this down our throats. Automating the splitting and rejoining of2 HSJ mirror-sets was child's play compared to this!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 16:12:35 -0400)* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Relinquishing control of device when others need it) Message-ID: <3EB422A7.6CA018E5@istop.com>L  K I would like to have a process log any/all input from a serial port (from aAM DSL modem which does from time to time issue messages). But I also want to be L able to do SET HOST/DTE TXAn: to that port without any problems when needed.  M Is it possible for my logging program to play with the locks such that an ASTeK would be delivered when SET HOST/DTE (or any other program) tries to accessdL the port, at which point the logging program would close the channel and letK others do what they want, and once they are done with the port, the loggingt? program would reassign the channel and continue its merry way ?i  M Are the names of the locks used for serial ports known/documented, or is thatt: something normal programs are not allowed to know/touch ?   M Could such a thing be done at user mode ? or would it need to be executive ora even kernel to work ?X   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2003 17:17:58 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)bN Subject: Re: Rich Marcello replaces Scott Stallard as VP  of Business Critical3 Message-ID: <eZBkV0ll0oUk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3EB306C5.2090206@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:M > Simon Clubley wrote:t >> In article <6Pxsa.6081$Lm2.281900@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org> writes: >> e9 >>>HP Announces Global Realignment of Enterprise Business < >>>http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030502a.html >>>tN >>>Survey on OpenVMS.org will follow soon.  Feel free to suggest questions for >>>the community.n >>>a >> 	 >> cM >> Yes, but from the press release, Scott Stallard just moves up a level, andlI >> is still Rich Marcello's boss. It is good however to see Rich MarcellotH >> continuing to rise up the management chain; I hope that means that at3 >> least nothing sudden and bad will happen to VMS.  > Q > Rich deals with Business Critical Servers. The life of VMS is in Mark Gorham's e > hands afaik.  F I think the point intended was that having people at the upper reaches0 of HP who know how to spell VMS is a good thing.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 20:30:11 GMTi! From: FuzzNutzz <no_one@home.net>  Subject: Re: Spring cleaning8 Message-ID: <fk88bvs0icigc7dqap9ij54fi7mbpvipr6@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 02 May 2003 12:02:44 -0700, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>: wrote:  G >Time to admit I'm never going to use all the stuff I accumulated... I a0 >have the following items I'd like to clear out: >, >4 - SWXD3-WE drives (4.3GB) 4 gig 7200 Wide > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF   >1 - RZ1CB-VW drive  (4.3GB) 4 gig 7200 Widef> http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF   >2 - RZ29B-VW drives (4GB) 4 gig 7200 Wide > http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF   >1 - RZ29C-VW drive  (4GB) 4 gig Wide, 7200 RPM   >2 - RZ28-VA  drives (4GB?)j 4 gig 5400 narrowt> http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF >4 - RZ26-VA  drives (2GB) 1 gig narrow 54000+ http://www.geminidigital.com/sworks_ds.htmlw  & >2 - BA-356   shelves w/ 2x150 watt PS? http://h18000.www1.hp.com/legacysupport/digital/pdf/clusuia.pdf(   >And finally, an HSZ-40.X ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/supportinformation/techpubs/installation_guides/aa-rmbxa-te.pdf  H >All of the disks and shelves were known functional about a year ago, I - >have no way of knowing about the controller.t > I >I'm guessing the ~4GB disks are probably worth $10/each, the ~2GB disks nG >worth $5/each, and the shelves $25/each, plus actual shipping charges.- > H >Someone make an offer on the controller if you want it- I have no idea C >what it's worth; alternatively, clue me in on how to make it go...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:20:07 GMT." From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Spring cleaning0 Message-ID: <00A1F520.B9C1E8FE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <fk88bvs0icigc7dqap9ij54fi7mbpvipr6@4ax.com>, FuzzNutzz <no_one@home.net> writes:D >On Fri, 02 May 2003 12:02:44 -0700, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> >wrote:  >eH >>Time to admit I'm never going to use all the stuff I accumulated... I 1 >>have the following items I'd like to clear out:s >> >>4 - SWXD3-WE drives (4.3GB)  >4 gig 7200 Wide? >http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF  >. >>1 - RZ1CB-VW drive  (4.3GB)  >4 gig 7200 Wide? >http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF  >g >>2 - RZ29B-VW drives (4GB)f >4 gig 7200 Wide? >http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDFo >g >>1 - RZ29C-VW drive  (4GB)s >4 gig Wide, 7200 RPM  >e >>2 - RZ28-VA  drives (4GB?) >4 gig 5400 narrow? >http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDFq  A If the above cited spec says that the RZ28 is 4 gig, it is wrong.Z RZ28s are 2 gig. (2.3GB)   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            u5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:37:09 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>o@ Subject: RE: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ED021@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Didier -  F <<< However, if the future of VMS is not that clear (but a special 7.2E version for the DOD which does not include 7.3 features afaik) mainlyoD because of an absolute absence of advertising to "regular" Customers from HP worldwide and more=20wH precisely in Europe (but I will not go back to this issue here again), IG will - following my conscience - suggest my Customer to think about IBM9B pSeries 650/Linux systems which seem, to me, to be the only valid, attractive and=20.G serious solution to replace VAX/VMS systems for the kind of developmentu my Customer is doing.>>>  G Perhaps I have missed something, but has IBM provided any public and/orn1 legal commitments to Linux for the next 25 years?   D Given that they don't own the OS, I suspect their lawyers might have? some issues with that, but perhaps you could provide a pointer?e  H By the way, the latest roadmaps are usually available at:(April 29, 2003 last update)> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm  F Just curious, but would it mean more business for Sector7 if they went, Linux or if that Customer stayed on OpenVMS?   Regardsv  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantA Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services- Voice: 613-592-4660, Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)r OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMC     > -----Original Message-----@ > From: Didier Morandi [mailto:Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr]=20 > Sent: May 2, 2003 7:39 PMc > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B > Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? >=20 >=20 > Warren Sander wrote: > > from the product manager:  > ../.., >=20' > The product manager of what, please ?  >=207 > > May I ask you what was the reason of your research?  >=209 > Course you may. I have recently created in France an=20  > independent "HP OpenVMS=20< > Future Reflexion Group". Within this scope, I have been=20 > officially asked to=20= > perform an intensively documented study on the future of=20s > OpenVMS for an european=20> > company who needs 25 years of commitment on their next IT=20 > development platform.=20> > As OpenVMS on IA64 is committed by HP to last 20 years, I=20 > wanted to know when=20) > these 20 years will start to countdown.t >=20< > Today, my Customer uses VMS on VAX systems. VAX systems=20 > maintenance will be EOL=20A > in 2010. If VMS V8 is available next year or in two years or=20M > so AND if the=20? > commitment from HP to the DOD is still a commitment, I can=203 > easily recommend my=20) > Customer to "go itanium" without risks.B >=20; > However, if the future of VMS is not that clear (but a=20> > special 7.2 version for=20> > the DOD which does not include 7.3 features afaik) mainly=20 > because of an absolute=20 : > absence of advertising to "regular" Customers from HP=20 > worldwide and more=20>> > precisely in Europe (but I will not go back to this issue=20 > here again), I will -=20A > following my conscience - suggest my Customer to think about=20b > IBM pSeries=20? > 650/Linux systems which seem, to me, to be the only valid,=20  > attractive and=20s@ > serious solution to replace VAX/VMS systems for the kind of=20 > development my=20  > Customer is doing. >=20 > D. >=20 > Sector7 France representative2 > http://www.sector7france.com >=20 >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:49:03 +0200r4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?& Message-ID: <3EB41D2F.3080707@Free.fr>   Main, Kerry wrote:  H > Just curious, but would it mean more business for Sector7 if they went. > Linux or if that Customer stayed on OpenVMS?  E Not really. We do Customer assistance in migation, replatforming and d/ reengineering, whatever the target platform is.u  N But obviously, it will take longer and be much more difficult to migrate from P VMS to Linux than to IA64, so in this matter, yes, we will make more money. But M this is not our goal since 18 years that the Company does migration services.V  3 Our business is to sell assistance, not strategies.r   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2003 17:06:11 -0500r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?3 Message-ID: <UUiBS3b41nsq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3EB30194.2040006@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:v > Warren Sander wrote: >> from the product manager: > ../..M > ' > The product manager of what, please ?u  ( Presumably the VMS DII-COE support code.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 22:08:07 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?) Message-ID: <3EB475E6.9E8EE55E@istop.com>2   Didier Morandi wrote:rR > perform an intensively documented study on the future of OpenVMS for an europeanQ > company who needs 25 years of commitment on their next IT development platform.   J I woudn't believe anyone making 25 year commitments at this point in time.  O > As OpenVMS on IA64 is committed by HP to last 20 years, I wanted to know when ) > these 20 years will start to countdown.   L Where did you head that VMS on that IA64 thing has a 20 year commitment ? WeL don't even know if IA64 will survice the next few years depending on whetherM Intel is forced to produce a 64 bit 8086 to compate against Opteron. And that 6 says nothing about HP's lack of enthousiasm about VMS.  G I would not bet on more than 6-7 years of commitment on VMS. Note: this>L doesn't mean that I think HP will kill i in 6-7 years, but the fiture is too) uncertain to really think that far ahead.7  P > commitment from HP to the DOD is still a commitment, I can easily recommend my) > Customer to "go itanium" without risks.t  L The way I heard the DII stuff is that Compaq committed to suporting EXISTINGJ systems on contract to thsoe customers requiring the commitment. I.E. if aH department of US defence orders a VMS systems for planes and develops anJ application that runs VMS 7.2 on hardware X, it would sign a contract withD Compaq to ensure long term support of that particular configuration.  N The way I heard Marcello speak, only those siging contracts would benefit fromK that, others would be stuck with preior version support stuff as we know ito today. h  L So if i were you, I would get something on paper from HP on exactly what itsU commitment is, and what compensation HP will give you when it breaks that commitment.   P > However, if the future of VMS is not that clear (but a special 7.2 version for  L If your customer writes his own applications and does not rely on Digital orG 3rd party applications (eg: just compilers), then I'd say VMS is a goodhH platform. If the customer relies on 3rd party applications or on DigitalL layered products, then you have to worry about the lack of marketing becauseK those products will likely be retired and further development made on othero (Unix) platforms.t    J > following my conscience - suggest my Customer to think about IBM pSeriesK > 650/Linux systems which seem, to me, to be the only valid, attractive andIL > serious solution to replace VAX/VMS systems for the kind of development my > Customer is doing.  / Why do you think Linux would survive 25 years ?m    L 25 years from now, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft will be where Novell2 is today. A former "monopoly" that is now obscure.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2003 16:18:19 -0500t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-3 Subject: Re: X-windows: adding a widget to a system03 Message-ID: <hAzPLaejjOz5@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  Z In article <vaqc8j51fq7pc4@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com> writes:' > On 4/27/2003 4:51 PM, JF Mezei wrote:e8 >> OK, I am getting my hands dirty with X-windows/Motif. >> 'P >> I have found source code for a widget that allows numbers to be entered (with0 >> decimal etc). How does one make it available: >> 	1- to a programo >> 	2- to the UIL compiler ? >> eI >> Is it possible to install it so that it is available by default to allvP >> applications on a system, or must those additional widgets be linked directly >> with each application ? > F > I've never seen a way to "install" a widget like you are describing. > D > For it to be available to all apps, all you have to do is put the D > compiled .uil file someplace where the apps can access it via the G > MrmOpenHierarchy call.  Note that this file needs to be available at uI > runtime, it's not linked into the application.  You could also provide lI > the corresponding interface code (callbacks, constants, etc.) so users K > don't have to recreate it.  8 Motif 2.0 supposedly makes adding shared widgets easier.  G I was one of the few people who spoke up here wanting Motif 2.0 for VMS3 the last time it was discussed.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.245 ************************