1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 247       Contents: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure... . Re: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3. Re: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question/ Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.) / Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.) / Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)  Re: DCL routine required.  Re: DCL routine required.  Re: DCL routine required.  Re: Digital logo= Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! P Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly monopolG Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly G Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly G Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly % license generation question revisited / Re: MicroVAX crash in RMU/RESTORE operations...  MMS:// Question... -_- Re: Spring cleaning 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:01:24 +0100 + From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?8 Message-ID: <p3labvoqbpafrg69g0kvcdfl016pffvu56@4ax.com>  F On 3 May 03 20:27:10 +0200, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:  N >In article <03050308583156@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes: >>> > the beer is all right. >>> ? >>> Alright? ALRIGHT?  Don't let anyone hear you say that, else 2 >>> that's you excluded.  Don't you like Guinness? >>  M >> Have not been following this thread - by accident I opened and saw "beer".  >>  0 >> Did someone say BEER???  My favorite subject! >>  S >> I enjoy Guinness and Boddingtons.  I have been to Germany and enjoyed the beer!  J >> American beer - I like - however there was something about German beer. >>   > D >I assure you that Guiness imported direct from Dublin is absolutelyF >wonderful. Boddingtons over here in .ch proves that some beers do notI >travel well - it can be wonderful in the right pub in Manchester though.   K Boddington's can be fine.  Boddies is generally over-gassed, and is the one I they promote.  But the buggers have decided to move all production out of K town, and still market it as the "cream of Manchester", which makes me even & more determined to avoid it in future.  K I don't think any British real ales (still live that is) travel well.  Many J can't even make it a few miles from the brewery to nearby hostelries, so IL certainly wouldn't send them overseas ;-)  My preferred bottled tipple theseH days if I want something still live and kicking, is white or wheat beer.7 Very refreshing straight out of the fridge.  In fact...   
 NO CARRIER   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 07:13:56 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?) Message-ID: <2hSIGG8nPTLn@elias.decus.ch>   f In article <p3labvoqbpafrg69g0kvcdfl016pffvu56@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:H > On 3 May 03 20:27:10 +0200, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote: > O >>In article <03050308583156@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes:  >>>> > the beer is all right.  >>>>@ >>>> Alright? ALRIGHT?  Don't let anyone hear you say that, else3 >>>> that's you excluded.  Don't you like Guinness?  >>> N >>> Have not been following this thread - by accident I opened and saw "beer". >>> 1 >>> Did someone say BEER???  My favorite subject!  >>> T >>> I enjoy Guinness and Boddingtons.  I have been to Germany and enjoyed the beer! K >>> American beer - I like - however there was something about German beer.  >>>  >>E >>I assure you that Guiness imported direct from Dublin is absolutely G >>wonderful. Boddingtons over here in .ch proves that some beers do not J >>travel well - it can be wonderful in the right pub in Manchester though. > M > Boddington's can be fine.  Boddies is generally over-gassed, and is the one K > they promote.  But the buggers have decided to move all production out of M > town, and still market it as the "cream of Manchester", which makes me even ( > more determined to avoid it in future. > M > I don't think any British real ales (still live that is) travel well.  Many L > can't even make it a few miles from the brewery to nearby hostelries, so I- > certainly wouldn't send them overseas ;-)     E The local importer of Boddies did try bringing the live variety here. E Unfortunately the kegs had a habit of exploding after 10 days - being F a novelty at the time, no-one could shift it faste enough to beat that: deadline. Not just messy but potentially life threatening.  O Closer to where you are, many years ago it was impossible to find a decent pint G of Tetleys much more than 20 miles away from Leeds, where it is brewed.   # > My preferred bottled tipple these J > days if I want something still live and kicking, is white or wheat beer.9 > Very refreshing straight out of the fridge.  In fact...  >   E Dangerous stuff in my experience. Its bowel loosening properties mean B that a pit stop on the way home may be necessary. It requires some forward planning.     > NO CARRIER   LOL. How appropriate :-)   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:05:49 +0100 + From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>   Subject: Re: Backup procedure...8 Message-ID: <6hlabvo3u3l6637b2rtas8kd894ppvfb92@4ax.com>  L On 3 May 2003 16:28:34 -0700, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) wrote:   >Hi all:E >  Im looking for a backup procedure to make a backup operation and  > >  put output to my terminal and a output file too. Like this: >   : >   $ backup/log/noassist/select=(login.com) mkb200:*.* [] >     20100 mounted in mkb200:# >     now reading b20030401 saveset # >     now reading b20030402 saveset 
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 >        . >     created []login.com;33   >     A >  I wanna see all this informations in my terminal and put this  5 >  informations in a output file too. Any sugestion ?    $ backup/log/list=<file-spec>   L should approximate to what you need.  The /list output is much better anywayJ for archive purposes, whereas /log shows you activity plus problems, which presumably is what you want.     	John    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:12:12 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: Backup procedure...) Message-ID: <3EB557FB.50C2B74E@istop.com>    Paul Sture wrote: + > What software are you using to post here?  > N > If you want to post from a Microschrott system, I will suggest either Eudora  1 X-Mailer:  Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-BWCH3.01 (Win98; U) , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ( So the > $ SET HOST /LOG=3Dlogfile.log 0  * would have been SET HOST/LOG=logfile.log 0  K "=3d" is the "quoted printable" escape sequence to generate ascii character M 0x3d which happens to be the equal sign. So in quoted printable, one needs to  have the equal sign escaped.    4 Netscape is fairly internet compliant on this issue.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:33:29 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>   Subject: Re: Backup procedure...5 Message-ID: <b93pun$f3la3$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   : "John Laird" <john@laird-towers.org.uk> schreef in bericht2 news:6hlabvo3u3l6637b2rtas8kd894ppvfb92@4ax.com...G > On 3 May 2003 16:28:34 -0700, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)  wrote: > 
 > >Hi all:F > >  Im looking for a backup procedure to make a backup operation and@ > >  put output to my terminal and a output file too. Like this: > > < > >   $ backup/log/noassist/select=(login.com) mkb200:*.* []  > >     20100 mounted in mkb200:% > >     now reading b20030401 saveset % > >     now reading b20030402 saveset  > >        . > >        . > >        . > >     created []login.com;33 > > B > >  I wanna see all this informations in my terminal and put this7 > >  informations in a output file too. Any sugestion ?  >  > $ backup/log/list=<file-spec>  > G > should approximate to what you need.  The /list output is much better  anywayL > for archive purposes, whereas /log shows you activity plus problems, which > presumably is what you want. >  >  > John  I That's what I tried too :-) But the list file contains all the files from K the saveset. I think the original poster only wants to see those files that ! matched his select specification.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 15:45:04 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: Backup procedure...) Message-ID: <3EB56DB8.E4A4821E@istop.com>    Hans Vlems wrote: K > That's what I tried too :-) But the list file contains all the files from M > the saveset. I think the original poster only wants to see those files that # > matched his select specification.   6 In that case, one should look at backup journal files.   HELP BACKUP/JOURNAL   L The journal file is a "structured" version of the /LIST. You can also append to it.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 06:39:00 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)   Subject: Re: Backup procedure...) Message-ID: <npXQpaqm043$@elias.decus.ch>   f In article <howard-346C8A.12253904052003@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:+ > In article <+Y4L847bRnLP@elias.decus.ch>, - >  p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:  > @ >> In article <3EB515D7.88D16F0B@bluewin.ch>, Adolf Sonderegger ) >> <adolf.sonderegger@bluewin.ch> writes:  > $ >> > $ SET HOST /LOG=3Dlogfile.log 0$ >>                   ^^            ^ >>  , >> What software are you using to post here? >  > It looked okay to me, on Mac.  >   L As I see from the quote in your answer. I am using ANUNEWS on VMS - straight text.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:25:25 -0400  From: none <none@townisp.com> 7 Subject: Re: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3 / Message-ID: <vbamoj8v20qt8c@corp.supernews.com>    Jeff Cameron wrote:  > Glenn, > J > I'm familiar with the situation and the utility of which you speak. ThisH > facility to force one file skip method over the other is now availableK > directly from DCL in 7.3 and is unrelated to this problem that I spoke of  > about dismount.  >  > In 7.3 see the command(s) :  >  > $SET MAGTAPE/FAST_SKIP=PER_IO  > $SET MAGTAPE/FAST_SKIP=ALWAYS  > $SET MAGTAPE/FAST_SKIP=NEVER >  > Thank you anyway.  >  > Jeff (not John) Cameron  >  >  > $ >>From: <Glenn_Everhart@bankone.com>& >>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:22:33 -0400 >>To: <JCam90502@jcameron.com>9 >>Subject: RE: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3  >> >>John -E >>Just a guess that this may be due to using skip by files instead of ? >>by records in some operations, and some sensing operations to A >>see where the tape is. If you force the old behavior (a util in 9 >>sys$etc exists to do this) it may not have this effect.  >> >>Glenn Everhart >> >> >>-----Original Message-----4 >>From: Jeff Cameron [mailto:JCam90502@jcameron.com]' >>Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:08 AM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 >>Subject: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3  >> >>M >>Were there any significant changes in the dismount system service in 7.3 of 0 >>VMS, specifically in dealing with tape drives? >>L >>Here is why I ask. My company provides commercial software to many OpenVMSN >>customers that manage their tape volumes. Our software works by interceptingM >>the DCL commands INITIALIZE, MOUNT, BACKUP and DISMOUNT by means of logical G >>names and installed shared images. When any of the above commands are M >>executed, our code is run and we determine, first, if we are dealing with a N >>tape device under our control, and if we are, we then do whatever processingH >>we need to do and then pass off the actual operation to the native VMS
 >>service. >>L >>In the case of dismounting a volume, we force the dismount to be done withN >>the NOUNLOAD option, so that we can then read the tape label again to see ifN >>the BACKUP utility has reinitialized the tape for any reason. Well, what hasJ >>happened in 7.3 (and only on some SCSI DLT tape drives) that despite theH >>NOUNLOAD operation, the tape device actually goes offline briefly, andL >>returns to an online condition sometime between the dismount operation andM >>the drive's physical return to BOT, at which point it becomes online again.  >>L >>This was never before observed in any previous versions of VMS, and we areI >>not sure if it is from a change in operation, or possibly just a timing C >>issue that we never saw before, but are seeing in some cases now.  >>K >>We have made corrections in our software to deal with this by waiting for M >>the online condition to return before doing our tape label post processing, I >>and timing out if the online condition does not return within 5 minutes < >>(allowing for a DLT tape to rewind and reposition to BOT). >>G >>I'm hoping someone might be able to shed some light on this behavior.  >> >>Jeff Cameron >  >  > @ I would suggest using Veritas Netbackup versus MTI TapecControl.  , It would save you a great deal of headaches.  B I have tried using TapeControl and have had nothing but headaches.  5 Attempts to reach the Sales department go unanswered.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:35:27 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 7 Subject: Re: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3 ' Message-ID: <3EB5879F.68E021C0@fsi.net>    none wrote:  > [snip]B > I would suggest using Veritas Netbackup versus MTI TapecControl.  , I wouldn't. The two are not interchangeable.  . > It would save you a great deal of headaches.  A On the contrary, it would cause you more pain than anything else.   D > I have tried using TapeControl and have had nothing but headaches.  H Did you read and follow the documentation? I used it and Oasis/RLM quiteB successfully at another large site. Wrote a very large and largelyE automated backup system in that environment. That was four years ago.   It's still running today, AFAIK.  7 > Attempts to reach the Sales department go unanswered.   0 Even by telephone? What about your account rep.?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 04:59:35 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>- Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question - Message-ID: <87he8ae8co.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:   = >  I have a question about configuration of a 3 node cluster.    >   I have the following setup:     / >       |--------Raid Array 8000--------------| 2 >    fc |                                     | fc/ >       |                                     | 0 >      SYSA --- dedicated ethernet link --- SYSB/ >       |        (crossover cable)            | 4 >  enet |                                     | enet/ >       |                                     | / >       |                                     | / >       |--------ethernet switch--------------|  >                        | >                        | >                        | >                      SYSC     - >   All systems are Alphas running VMS 7.3-1.   E >   SYSA and SYSB can talk to each other over two communication paths C > ( dedicated link and via switch ). SYSC can talk to them only via 
 > the switch.   C >   If I lose SYSC or lose the switch it's clear that SYSA and SYSB ? > will maintain a cluster, using the dedicated link for cluster  > communications.   E >   I'm concerned about what will happen if either SYSA or SYSB loses D > its link to the switch. If (eg) SYSA loses the switch link it willC > still be able to see SYSB, but not SYSC. SYSB will be able to see A > both of them, SYSC will only see SYSB. This requires someone to E > leave the cluster. I would prefer that in such a situation it would C > always be SYSC that would agree to leave the cluster, rather than A > SYSA. My experimentation suggests that I can accomplish this by E > giving SYSA and SYSB 2 votes each and giving SYSC 1 vote. This puts B > EXPECTED_VOTES at 5 and QUORUM at 3 ( so the cluster can achieveC > quorum with any 2 of the 3 nodes. Is this guaranteed to work this ? > way or have I just been lucky ( ie when one gets into a "Node B > voluntarily leaving the cluster" situation will it always be the0 > node with the lesser votes that will leave? ).  B I think your cluster will hang, no matter what the vote set up is.E You *MUST* have all systems visable over a single interface, and when E the switch goes, that will not be the case. I know you could not boot D all 3 into a cluster, but have no experience for what happens if youB loose a member link while running. If you can, add the extra linksB over the A-C and B-C legs to bypass the switch. Leave the existing( A-B-C-switch links there for redundancy.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 00:42:02 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz - Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question % Message-ID: <3eb5b1fc.359280908@news>   @ On 2 May 2003 16:05:57 -0700, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) wrote:   < > I have a question about configuration of a 3 node cluster. >  >  I have the following setup: >  > . >      |--------Raid Array 8000--------------|1 >   fc |                                     | fc . >      |                                     |/ >     SYSA --- dedicated ethernet link --- SYSB . >      |        (crossover cable)            |3 > enet |                                     | enet . >      |                                     |. >      |                                     |. >      |--------ethernet switch--------------| >                       |  >                       |  >                       |  >                     SYSC >  > , >  All systems are Alphas running VMS 7.3-1. > 0 >  SYSA and SYSB can talk to each other over two- >communication paths ( dedicated link and via - >switch ). SYSC can talk to them only via the  >switch. > / >  If I lose SYSC or lose the switch it's clear 2 >that SYSA and SYSB will maintain a cluster, using/ >the dedicated link for cluster communications.  > 1 >  I'm concerned about what will happen if either 3 >SYSA or SYSB loses its link to the switch. If (eg) 1 >SYSA loses the switch link it will still be able 0 >to see SYSB, but not SYSC. SYSB will be able to0 >see both of them, SYSC will only see SYSB. This/ >requires someone to leave the cluster. I would 0 >prefer that in such a situation it would always/ >be SYSC that would agree to leave the cluster, . >rather than SYSA. My experimentation suggests. >that I can accomplish this by giving SYSA and/ >SYSB 2 votes each and giving SYSC 1 vote. This . >puts EXPECTED_VOTES at 5 and QUORUM at 3 ( so- >the cluster can achieve quorum with any 2 of - >the 3 nodes. Is this guaranteed to work this # >way or have I just been lucky ( ie / >when one gets into a "Node voluntarily leaving - >the cluster" situation will it always be the / >node with the lesser votes that will leave? ).  > E My take on this is that you could give each Node 1 Vote, Expected = 3   and Quorum would therefore be 2.  A If the Switch Link to SYSA goes down, SYSB can still see SYSA and @ SYSC. I believe SYSC can "see" SYSA via SYSB. There's no loss ofA connectivity in that sense. It's how the typical Cluster triangle 1 Cluster works with a voting node at a third site.   C If SYSA actually goes down, then the Cluster is still viable as the + two votes of SYSB and SYSC maintain quorum.   B If the Switch goes down, the cluster wil remain with SYSA and SYSBD providing the votes. SYSC will hang, on re-establishing connection IF believe that it will Voluntaryily Exit due to the Cluster State having moved on since it hung.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2003 20:24:20 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) - Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question - Message-ID: <1aMC2y2EWZz4@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   . In article <87he8ae8co.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, 2     Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  D > I think your cluster will hang, no matter what the vote set up is.G > You *MUST* have all systems visable over a single interface, and when - > the switch goes, that will not be the case.   C    The cluster won't hang, but one of the systems will be forced to @ leave the cluster ( well, technically I suppose the cluster will? hang long enough for them to figure out which one will leave ). @ The node that leaves will crash will a "Node voluntarily leaving the cluster" bugcheck.  D    If A loses its switch link then either A or C has to go ( B won'tC go because it can still see all the cluster members, albeit not all E of them on the same interface ). It *appears* from my limited testing B that given the choice of kicking A or C out of the cluster the oneD with the least votes will go, but that could just be coincidental as= I've only tried failing the network link a few times. I can't @ seem to find any documentation that describes what the behaviourE is in this situation ( or even if it's deterministic at all or simply ( a random choice of which node to kill ).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:02:49 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)) Message-ID: <3EB555C8.59857FAC@istop.com>    Jeff Cameron wrote: M > Rant #3 : Explicitly stating defaults in a command, may be redundant, but I M > strongly disagree that it hurts or even diminishes maintainability, because  > it :    J 4- Also makes it clear to the system manager that the default behaviour isJ necessary for that function to complete as needed. (eg: subsequent commadsL that parse the output of the first one which needs to be a specific format).\ Also consider some commands have different defaults when executed in batch or interactively.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:38:24 -0400- From: "Ray Fusci" <rfusci(at)charter(dot)net> 8 Subject: Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)/ Message-ID: <vbbg4fbocvvm52@corp.supernews.com>   K It's a technique many use for debugging purposes. Look at the difference if 2 you do a SET VERIFY and watch the procedure go by.   >  > H > I have no comments to your code as such, but there are two things that > intrigue me: >  > Why do you use:  > $ > flag_first_of_the_month :== "TRUE" >  > where  > " > flag_first_of_the_month :== TRUE >  > or > # > flag_first_of_the_month == "TRUE"  >  > Would be enough? >  > And why do you use:  > 9 > weekday = f$extract(0,1,f$cvtime("''date'",,"WEEKDAY"))  >  > where 4 > weekday = f$extract(0,1,f$cvtime(date,,"WEEKDAY")) >  > would be enough? > E > I know, the result is the same. But I see this kind of coding quite ! > often and I wonder why that is.  > J > Sometimes you see DCL code which creates an other DCL command file. WhenH > a single quote is needed in the resulting file, the following is being used:  > , > $ WRITE OUTFILE "$ A = ''''B''''_WHATEVER" > J > I believe that code like this makes life difficult for anyone who has toJ > maintain such code, including the original author. The line should read: > & > $ WRITE OUTFILE "$ A = 'B'_WHATEVER" >  >  > Bart Zorn  >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 07:00:45 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 8 Subject: Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)) Message-ID: <LrIR8rin2IlP@elias.decus.ch>   ` In article <BADA930C.7D4E%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:I > I hate Ranting on news boards, but sometimes I must defend myself, so :  >  > $SET MESSAGE/RANT  >  > M > Rant #2 : I put periods at the end of the sentences, even if it ends in the N > use of a url. If I send the message as text (which I did) and I put a url atK > the end of a sentence, then it is your software that does not know how to L > properly parse a url out of a properly written English sentence and make aI > link out of it. The link worked fine with my email/news software. Dont ' > blame me for your choice of software.  >    My choice of software ?????????   L ANUNEWS on VMS, viewed from a DECterm. Double click on the url to select it.  E Netscape 3.03 running on VMS. Single click to paste the url into the   Location field and hit <RET>   Result - a "Not found" error.   4 Please don't attack me for my choice of software :-)   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:41:58 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>" Subject: Re: DCL routine required., Message-ID: <3EB57B12.1040707@spammotel.com>   Johno wrote: > HiG > Any suggestions how I can program into my command procedure a routine H > that tests for the first working day of the month (I.E: Mon, Tue, Wed,H > Thu, Fri only). The routine would still have to work if the first fellH > on a Saturday or Sunday with the first working day therefore being the > second or third of the month.  > Thanks in advance. > Johno   G Do your "working days" include statutory holidays that fall on Monday,   the 3rd or Friday, the 1st?    Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:39:54 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: DCL routine required.' Message-ID: <3EB588AA.C3814A82@fsi.net>    Johno wrote: >  > HiG > Any suggestions how I can program into my command procedure a routine H > that tests for the first working day of the month (I.E: Mon, Tue, Wed,H > Thu, Fri only). The routine would still have to work if the first fellH > on a Saturday or Sunday with the first working day therefore being the > second or third of the month.   G Holiday issues aside, I should think that anything you can do to detect C the first Monday where the day-of-month number is less than 8 would  suffice.  6 $ IF (F$CVTIME( ,, "WEEKDAY" ) .EQS. "Monday") .AND. -$ (F$CVTIME( ,, "DAY" ) .LT. 8) THEN - $ DO_YOUR_STUFF    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 04:11:19 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> " Subject: Re: DCL routine required.2 Message-ID: <BADB3276.7D7A%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  L On 5/4/03 2:39 PM, in article 3EB588AA.C3814A82@fsi.net, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > Johno wrote: >>   >> Hi H >> Any suggestions how I can program into my command procedure a routineI >> that tests for the first working day of the month (I.E: Mon, Tue, Wed, I >> Thu, Fri only). The routine would still have to work if the first fell I >> on a Saturday or Sunday with the first working day therefore being the   >> second or third of the month. > I > Holiday issues aside, I should think that anything you can do to detect E > the first Monday where the day-of-month number is less than 8 would 
 > suffice. > 8 > $ IF (F$CVTIME( ,, "WEEKDAY" ) .EQS. "Monday") .AND. -& > (F$CVTIME( ,, "DAY" ) .LT. 8) THEN - > $ DO_YOUR_STUFF   F Take May 1, 2003. It is a Thursday, being the first working day of theC month. The above DCL picks the first working Monday in a month. Two  different things.    Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 23:58:09 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Digital logo 0 Message-ID: <00A1F5FF.F82DE9C2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <BADA8EB4.7D4B%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes: >On 5/4/03 7:49 AM, in articleA >ddf392ea.0305040649.e310c84@posting.google.com, "Shiva MahaDeva"   ><contracer11@uol.com.br> wrote: > 
 >> Hi all:D >> Where could I get the escape sequences to make the Digital logo ?3 >> (Id like to put Digital logo in a procedure...)  >> Thanks... > H >First construct the string digital with spaces between each character : >  >d i g i t a l > A >Then preface each character with the reverse video on sequence : 	 ><esc>[7m  > A >Then after each character the string to return to normal video :  ><esc>[m >  >So in entirety : D ><esc>[7md<esc>[m <esc>[7mi<esc>[m <esc>[7mt<esc>[m <esc>[7mi<esc>[m" ><esc>[7ma<esc>[m <esc>[7ml<esc>[m >  >(ignore the linewrap)
 >Jeff Cameron  >   F This is fairly simple and produces a better approximation to the logo:   "<ESC>[7md|i|g|i|t|a|l<ESC>[m"     If you're really picky,   B "<ESC>[7md<ESC>(0x<ESC>(Bi<ESC>(0x<ESC>(Bg<ESC>(0x<ESC>(Bi<ESC>(0x0 <ESC>(Bt<ESC>(0x<ESC>(Ba<ESC>(0x<ESC>(Bl<ESC>[m"   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:31:01 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>F Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!2 Message-ID: <b93tjs$f16$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote: M > As an aside:  Apple is set to unveil a 64 bit version of MAC OS-X this June ' > that will run on the IBM Power chip.   > S > So, Apple will have its consumer machines move to 64 bit version of its Power-PC.   H The Apple MacIntosh is not just for the consumer market of course. Many D (expensive) Macs are used for high end typographic, video and sound H applications. Typicaly applications that can profit from the big memory , adressing space of 64 bit operating systems.  Q Remember that beautiful Intel video clip promoting the Pentium? It was made on a   Mac :-)   5 > AMD will offer a 64 bit 8086 for consumer products.  > O > The pressure on Intel to release a 64 bit 8086 will be growing in my opinion.    I think so too ......    > K > Either that, or Intel will have to review its decision to abandon IA64 on P > desktop and find some way to make IA64 cost/performance competitive real fast.  < Or have two expensive incompatible 64 bit CPU lines ........   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 02:04:50 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly monopol - Message-ID: <87llxmegfx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   7 ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) writes:    > ...   C >   It's in-effin-credible what one finds posted to this newsgroup. ; >   Next thing you know, somebody will write that there's a = >   functional 9 track 800/1600/6250 bpi tape unit in or near 1 >   Ottawa.  Or I might hit a 6/49 Lotto jackpot.   ? There is two, or three in the next room. Is that close enought?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:24:57 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>P Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly) Message-ID: <3EB5770E.A8B1C58A@istop.com>    Paul Repacholi wrote: = > >   Next thing you know, somebody will write that there's a ? > >   functional 9 track 800/1600/6250 bpi tape unit in or near 3 > >   Ottawa.  Or I might hit a 6/49 Lotto jackpot.  > A > There is two, or three in the next room. Is that close enought? > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.   L The Perth *Australia* area isn't exactly "in or near Ottawa", although Perth Ontario is.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:28:29 GMTi' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> P Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly) Message-ID: <3EB584FF.105BAA1E@yahoo.com>    JF Mezei wrote:o > Paul Repacholi wrote:3 > ? > > >   Next thing you know, somebody will write that there's alA > > >   functional 9 track 800/1600/6250 bpi tape unit in or near 5 > > >   Ottawa.  Or I might hit a 6/49 Lotto jackpot.r > >eC > > There is two, or three in the next room. Is that close enought?C@ > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,; > > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.  > ? > The Perth *Australia* area isn't exactly "in or near Ottawa",B > although Perth Ontario is.  ( That depends entirely on your viewpoint.   -- o< Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net);    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.M:    <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>  USE worldnet address!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:29:00 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>P Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly) Message-ID: <3EB5A23C.1A725141@istop.com>e   CBFalconer wrote:eA > > The Perth *Australia* area isn't exactly "in or near Ottawa",- > > although Perth Ontario is. > * > That depends entirely on your viewpoint.  ! Ok, from an australian viewpoint:.D http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/gazm01?placename=ottawa&placetype=0&state=0  L Reveals that there is only a "Ottawa Creek" in Australia. And since Perth isN not far from the exact opposite on the earth (in french: antipode) from OttawaE Ontario, I'd say that there is very little argument to say that Perth>E Australia is close to Ottawa Ontario, unless you are a space alien 20t gazillion light years away.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 23:05:59 -0400o" From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.nbet>. Subject: license generation question revisited8 Message-ID: <3skbbvosqmohgrs5va4qa2mqcf8fshg42q@4ax.com>  ) no one replied to this, so I'll ask againr0 I actually own 5 Vaxen (well, ok, ones an Alpha)C 2 of these boxes have commercial vms licenses, updated, intact, etcuB I even have real paperwork for them, etc back when these cost $31k  the rest have hobbyist licenses.  ; I went and got an HP DSSP thing or whatever the heck it is, % individual membership, which is free.i  ? So, given I am still at the internal testing phase of my stuff,g@ not ready to do anything with it yet, can I get a pakgen license< and compile on the commercial machines for testing purposes?   or does this cost money?  8 I still havent figured out if I want to go commercial or9 open source at this point, or go license restricted untill/ the product is mature, and then go open source.e  , I'm tending to that last option for now tho., So here's an interesting situation, I guess.4 I am developing a product, which the end result will: be open source, thus it will never be commercial, however,; I am not ready at this time to release it as such, however, 9 I want to give it out for development/application testinge; with license restrictions to control where development goesGB (ie: I don't trust the developers I'm dealing with as far as I can throw them)m  < so my plan is to compile it on the commercial box, with the = real license, use pakgen, distribute the code for development ; and testing, and when ready, toss the license restrictions,a' and release it open source (under GPL).l  E seems a fine pickel I've made for myself. but it's what I want to do.t   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:30:20 -0500b1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d8 Subject: Re: MicroVAX crash in RMU/RESTORE operations...& Message-ID: <3EB5866C.7C33E7A@fsi.net>   Shiva MahaDeva wrote:  > J > Is there any way to bypass this limitation ? I cant switch to VMS v6.0.: > Is there any way to divide one 9.1 GB HD in two 4.5 GB ? > Thanks...s  F If you have an HSx based storage array, yes, you can "partition" disks1 and present the "partitions" as separate devices.v  8 Otherwise, you'll have to live with smaller disk drives.   -- . David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:19:42 GMTh' From: WeirdOne <WeirdOne@mouseinfo.com>r Subject: MMS:// Question... -_- 8 Message-ID: <cvpabv8hqomn11jpaj0tg0qjm254oidtn1@4ax.com>  C Okay, I have this mms:// file and I don't have the .asx or whatever C file. I've searched all around the net for programs or ways to save-: the mms:// file. Can anyone help me? Here's the address...  3 mms://svr1117.axisz.ne.jp/member/clone/gift0428.wmvo   Thanks! - The WeirdOne ^_^   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:51:22 GMTh! From: FuzzNutzz <no_one@home.net>t Subject: Re: Spring cleaning8 Message-ID: <qorabv0d2ngsc3pfkahv4jdlthl8lunpf4@4ax.com>  C On Sat, 03 May 2003 21:20:07 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:e  ] >In article <fk88bvs0icigc7dqap9ij54fi7mbpvipr6@4ax.com>, FuzzNutzz <no_one@home.net> writes:lE >>On Fri, 02 May 2003 12:02:44 -0700, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>o >>wrote: >>I >>>Time to admit I'm never going to use all the stuff I accumulated... I n2 >>>have the following items I'd like to clear out: >>>e >>>4 - SWXD3-WE drives (4.3GB) >>4 gig 7200 Wide @ >>http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF >> >>>1 - RZ1CB-VW drive  (4.3GB) >>4 gig 7200 Wide3@ >>http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF >> >>>2 - RZ29B-VW drives (4GB) >>4 gig 7200 Wideu@ >>http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF >> >>>1 - RZ29C-VW drive  (4GB) >>4 gig Wide, 7200 RPM >> >>>2 - RZ28-VA  drives (4GB?)c >>4 gig 5400 narrowp@ >>http://h18003.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB007APF.PDF > B >If the above cited spec says that the RZ28 is 4 gig, it is wrong. >RZ28s are 2 gig. (2.3GB)e  # My mistake they are actually 2.1 GB0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:35:37 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?$ Message-ID: <3EB56B89.30609@Free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote: K > Where did you head that VMS on that IA64 thing has a 20 year commitment ?s  = http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/government/coe/index.htmlg   D.  P I'm currently watching "The Pacificator" with George Clooney and Nicole Kidman. % She has a DEC Hi-Note on her lap (s?),   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:06:31 -0400:* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?( Message-ID: <3EB572BE.596EAAC@istop.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:cQ > I'm currently watching "The Pacificator" with George Clooney and Nicole Kidman.1' > She has a DEC Hi-Note on her lap (s?)h  9 The original title was "The Peacemaker". Very good movie.    ##N More importantly, many government bids require an official commitment from theN vendor to support the platform for up to 20 years. In these cases, HP has madeH this commitment, thus reassuring OpenVMS  customers of the integrity and0 long-term viability of their OpenVMS investment. ##  3 What is the definition of "support the platform" ? -$ And not the use of "In these cases".  yI Also, since the DII-COE is very much a USA military thing, I wonder if US:N based companies such as HP would extend the DII-COE commitments outside of theN USA (especially to the new enemies of the USA, "old europe" France and GermanyN who have become the biggest threath of the freedom of the president of the USA# to do as he and his advisors wish).   L And how much does that contract to garantee support cost to the customer ? IJ bet you that if I were to buy an Alpha today, I'd have no more than the "5G years" that was stated publicly. Heck, even before that, support for my K version of VMS would run out and I'd have to pay for prior version support.   I Also, what is not said in the DII-COE thing is what are the penalties for M killing the product. If HP provides porting assisatnce to move the systems toiI newer platforms, would the military still declare a breach of the 20 year  commitment ?  L Also, the minute HP declares VMS to be as dead as MPE, you can bet that evenM the military will start to migrate its VMS systems to some other platform andt) will be done migrating within 5-10 years.   N Sorry, but I don't find any commitment to maintain an Alpha systems at 7.2 forL 20 years to be credible. I suspect that Compaq/HP have many "out" clauses inH that contract but are happy to sign it if it means extra support revenus: (since the military would be paying for that "commitment".  M DII-COE was a stroke of genius from marcello to prevent Capellas from killing.L VMS as a short term thing since killing VMS is now requires a more long termL implementation. But in the same vein, it also moots HP's desire to be singleG platform since those very same long term commitments will require HP toaJ continue to support VAX and Alpha on top of MIPS, PaRisc and that unwantedM IA64 thing as well as the 8086. Very much a very large number of platforms torM support instead of a reduced number of platforms that would have happened had-K HP decide to move everything to Alpha. (eliminated the need to support IA64  for VMS, HP-UX, Tandem).  L Note that even from IBM, I would be weary of a 20 yera commitment for MVS orI AIX, although I would view IBM's commitments to be more credible than HP.e  G After the murder of Alpha, HP needs to take active, positive actions to J rebuild trust and credibility for its commitments. And it has done no suchI thing since then (quite the opposite since it refuses to mention "VMS" inHA public appearances and allowed Stallard's May 7th memo to go out.   L One good example of 20 year commitments is the space shuttle programme. NASAK had a batch of some of the old , hardened CPUs/chips manufactured and keeps N them in storage so it can use them to replace faulty ones etc, since those are no longer on the market.  K If the customer is very important/rich, it won't trust HP's commitments andsN will simply buy enough spare parts to garantee available replacement parts forM 20 years, and will have some clause that should HP (or any company inheritingfM VMS) fail, the customer will have access to the source code as well as enough  of the support engineers.y   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.247 ************************