1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 248       Contents: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure...  Re: Backup procedure... ( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C17 Citing URLs in Usenet Posts (was: Re: DCL coding . . .) ; Re: Citing URLs in Usenet Posts (was: Re: DCL coding . . .) ; Re: Citing URLs in Usenet Posts (was: Re: DCL coding . . .) ; Re: Citing URLs in Usenet Posts (was: Re: DCL coding . . .) ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? / Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.) / Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.) / Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)   DECserver / Modem Hangup Problem$ Re: DECserver / Modem Hangup Problem$ Re: determine whether a file is open$ Re: determine whether a file is open$ Re: determine whether a file is open$ Re: determine whether a file is open Re: Digital logo Digital UNIX key chain= Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! = Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! = Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyP Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly monopolG Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly  Re: Infoserver replacement8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! Madgoat ftp command file/ Re: MicroVAX crash in RMU/RESTORE operations...  Re: Migrate email to VMS server  Re: Migrate email to VMS server 6 Netscape 3.03 performance tip - set disk cache to zero& Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris. OpenVMS discussion family added to ITRC Forums& Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.1 Now Available& Re: TCPIP SMTP bug in relay protection- The first spam ever came from DEC, apparently 1 Re: The first spam ever came from DEC, apparently 1 Re: The first spam ever came from DEC, apparently 1 Re: The first spam ever came from DEC, apparently 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 12:20:25 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?5 Message-ID: <b95ku8$fnv0k$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   5 In article <b91n8a$epd5i$1@id-143435.news.dfncis.de>, . 	"Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes: > * > <brandon@dalsemi.com> schreef in bericht- > news:03050308583156@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...  >> > > the beer is all right.  >> >@ >> > Alright? ALRIGHT?  Don't let anyone hear you say that, else3 >> > that's you excluded.  Don't you like Guinness?  >>M >> Have not been following this thread - by accident I opened and saw "beer".  >>0 >> Did someone say BEER???  My favorite subject! >>L >> I enjoy Guinness and Boddingtons.  I have been to Germany and enjoyed the > beer! J >> American beer - I like - however there was something about German beer. >> >> Not to change the subject...  >>3 > While we're at it, did you ever try belgian beer?  >   E I used to go on field exercises with a Belgian Signal Unit back in my G Army days and we drank Belgian Beer (Stella Artois, I think) with meals F in the mess.  I thought it was quite good.  (They once came very closeB to canceling an exercise because they ran out of beer.  Talk aboutE having your priorites right!!)  My daughter has a taste for something E called Frambozen, but I would guess the flavoring overpowers the beer D to the point that most beer drinkers probably don't even consider it) beer at that point.  I know I don't!  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:43:36 +0200 , From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>  Subject: Re: Backup procedure..., Message-ID: <o8f59b.cma.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Shiva MahaDeva wrote:  > 	 > Hi all: E >   Im looking for a backup procedure to make a backup operation and ? >   put output to my terminal and a output file too. Like this:  > ; >    $ backup/log/noassist/select=(login.com) mkb200:*.* []  >      20100 mounted in mkb200: $ >      now reading b20030401 saveset$ >      now reading b20030402 saveset >         .  >         .  >         .  >      created []login.com;33  > A >   I wanna see all this informations in my terminal and put this 6 >   informations in a output file too. Any sugestion ?  H If it's okay to do the backup in a batch job, then you can add something like   $ set output_rate=0:0:10  E before the backup command to update the logfile in 10 Sec. intervals. H Then you can use a DECUS utility called TAIL with it's monitor option to, see the output continuously on your terminal   $ tail /f <batch-logfile>    I'm doing this frequently.   Albrecht   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:00:06 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>   Subject: Re: Backup procedure...< Message-ID: <howard-D94355.08000605052003@enews.newsguy.com>  ) In article <npXQpaqm043$@elias.decus.ch>, +  p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:   N > As I see from the quote in your answer. I am using ANUNEWS on VMS - straight > text.   I So am I.  I saw what you quoted in my reply to yours.  My original reply  $ to the OP showed differently though.   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:32:58 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>   Subject: Re: Backup procedure...5 Message-ID: <b963o3$g0md9$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   9 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> schreef in bericht # news:3EB56DB8.E4A4821E@istop.com...  > Hans Vlems wrote: H > > That's what I tried too :-) But the list file contains all the files fromJ > > the saveset. I think the original poster only wants to see those files that% > > matched his select specification.  > 8 > In that case, one should look at backup journal files. >  > HELP BACKUP/JOURNAL  > G > The journal file is a "structured" version of the /LIST. You can also  append > to it.   Good point. This is what I did:    $ set def my_scratch' $ back sys$manager:*.com []tst.bck/save ; $ back/journal=tst.jnl/log/select=decw*.com tst.bck/save []   J Turns out that the /LOG qualifier puts the text on screen. No journal fileH is produced. Neither in my_scratch nor in SYS$LOGIN. The journal file is" written when a saveset is created.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 09:23:34 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 0 Message-ID: <CFN377464692202431@news.cup.hp.com>  2 On Sat, 03 May 2003 01:42:22 +0200 Didier Morandi & <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote:   >>  J >> More interestingly, if this is a coming feature in mainstream VMS, can 8 >> we *turn it off*? If not, I've got some work to do... >>   >  >  > Yes, you can:  >  > UAF> mod user/[NO]PWDMIX >   1 Is there also a way how to change it systemwide ?    W.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 06:11:54 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 3 Message-ID: <D8RtLVpjsppH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <CFN377465329843866@news.cup.hp.com>, Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> writes: M > On 5 May 2003 05:39:14 -0500 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  >  >  >>>> UAF> mod user/[NO]PWDMIX  >>>>   >>> 5 >>> Is there also a way how to change it systemwide ?  >>    >>    UAF> mod user/[NO]PWDMIX * >>   > P > Ok, thank you :-) But this is still set up per user, I'm asking if there is a B > way how to *enforce* the whole system to be case (un)sensitive..  ' Username DEFAULT governs new usernames.   B But if you are worried someone will make an unauthorized change toB SYSUAF.DAT after that, your site has severe non-technical security	 problems.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 05:39:14 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 3 Message-ID: <9+rjzBzorZu1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <CFN377464692202431@news.cup.hp.com>, Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> writes: 4 > On Sat, 03 May 2003 01:42:22 +0200 Didier Morandi ( > <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote: >  >>> K >>> More interestingly, if this is a coming feature in mainstream VMS, can  9 >>> we *turn it off*? If not, I've got some work to do...  >>>  >>   >>   >> Yes, you can: >>   >> UAF> mod user/[NO]PWDMIX  >>   > 3 > Is there also a way how to change it systemwide ?       UAF> mod user/[NO]PWDMIX *    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:55:24 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 0 Message-ID: <CFN377465329843866@news.cup.hp.com>  K On 5 May 2003 05:39:14 -0500 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:      >>> UAF> mod user/[NO]PWDMIX >>>  >>  4 >> Is there also a way how to change it systemwide ? >  >    UAF> mod user/[NO]PWDMIX *  >   N Ok, thank you :-) But this is still set up per user, I'm asking if there is a @ way how to *enforce* the whole system to be case (un)sensitive..   Jirka    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:05:44 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 0 Message-ID: <CFN377465818019213@news.cup.hp.com>  K On 5 May 2003 06:11:54 -0500 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   ) > Username DEFAULT governs new usernames.  > D > But if you are worried someone will make an unauthorized change toD > SYSUAF.DAT after that, your site has severe non-technical security > problems.   J OK, thank you. It seems that I'm more dumb than usually during Mondays :-)   J.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 07:41:05 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 3 Message-ID: <TAbLiLOEW3be@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <b8ub5h$9ov$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes:  >> > P > Unfortunately it is usually written into organisation's security policies thatJ > passwords will contain mixed case letters (and usually also a numeric orN > special character). This makes it very difficult for VMS since it is the oddO > one out and this lack is easily exploited by those who wish to portray it as  > > being a "security failing" of VMS. Perception is everything.  H    They also like to require special characters (nonalphanumeric), whichD    can lead to the perception of a weakness for VMS since it doesn't    allow many.  ?    I'm not into the mixed case feature, but I would like to use 3    anything in the DEC multinational character set.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 14:22:13 -0000 6 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>@ Subject: Citing URLs in Usenet Posts (was: Re: DCL coding . . .)5 Message-ID: <20030505142213.6020.qmail@gacracker.org>   5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  A On Mon, 05 May 2003, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote: I >On 5/4/03 10:00 PM, in article LrIR8rin2IlP@elias.decus.ch, "Paul Sture"   ><p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:  " >> My choice of software ????????? >>  O >> ANUNEWS on VMS, viewed from a DECterm. Double click on the url to select it.  >>  G >> Netscape 3.03 running on VMS. Single click to paste the url into the  >> Location field and hit <RET>  >>    >> Result - a "Not found" error. >>  7 >> Please don't attack me for my choice of software :-)   K >OK, I'm sorry. I guess you'll enjoy your eMail/News Software that does not L >work by mistaking a period at the end of a sentence as part of the URL whenH >making the hyperlink from a text message, and I'll use mine which works5 >fine, as it does not include the period in the link.    <snip remaining>  G What's wrong with the suggested "<URL:" ">" tagging that Richard Brodie  pointed out is from RFC 2396?  (SeeJ <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b8th36$kfo@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>.)  F Paul, how does the combination of ANUNEWS and Netscape handle this? (IG actually think the issue is *not* either of these, but how your DECterm # handles selection on double-click.)      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net K                                                    http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 18:27:24 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) D Subject: Re: Citing URLs in Usenet Posts (was: Re: DCL coding . . .)) Message-ID: <9CObGZ4DhJ2G@elias.decus.ch>   n In article <20030505142213.6020.qmail@gacracker.org>, "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:7 > NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. : > No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.: > -------------------------------------------------------- > C > On Mon, 05 May 2003, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote: J >>On 5/4/03 10:00 PM, in article LrIR8rin2IlP@elias.decus.ch, "Paul Sture"! >><p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:  > # >>> My choice of software ?????????  >>> P >>> ANUNEWS on VMS, viewed from a DECterm. Double click on the url to select it. >>> H >>> Netscape 3.03 running on VMS. Single click to paste the url into the  >>> Location field and hit <RET> >>> ! >>> Result - a "Not found" error.  >>> 8 >>> Please don't attack me for my choice of software :-) > L >>OK, I'm sorry. I guess you'll enjoy your eMail/News Software that does notM >>work by mistaking a period at the end of a sentence as part of the URL when I >>making the hyperlink from a text message, and I'll use mine which works 6 >>fine, as it does not include the period in the link. >  > <snip remaining> > I > What's wrong with the suggested "<URL:" ">" tagging that Richard Brodie  > pointed out is from RFC 2396?  > (SeeL > <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b8th36$kfo@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>.) > H > Paul, how does the combination of ANUNEWS and Netscape handle this? (II > actually think the issue is *not* either of these, but how your DECterm % > handles selection on double-click.)  > H Firstly I should explain that I am reading the newsgroup on www.decus.chK (via SSH from a DECterm), but running Netscape locally, so the two programs  are on different machines.  J Double clicking on a url selects it the normal DECterm fashion using spaceM as the delimiter. I then use M3 to paste it into the Netscape location field.   G Netscape 3.03 barfs using the above format, but it has the advantage of F standing out visually so that I can either select by mouse movement orB edit it once pasted. I have developed the habit of quoting urls onD their own line both to minimize wrapping and because I am aware that' other readers use a variety of readers.   G The situation is a bit different when reading on my Mac using Terminal. C Double clicking there selects according to a variety of delimiters, G including period. Command + double click selects the whole url, and the , above format works when posted into Omniweb.     --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 11:50:14 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) D Subject: Re: Citing URLs in Usenet Posts (was: Re: DCL coding . . .)3 Message-ID: <2EYt7FrG9Msp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <9CObGZ4DhJ2G@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: p > In article <20030505142213.6020.qmail@gacracker.org>, "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  J >> What's wrong with the suggested "<URL:" ">" tagging that Richard Brodie  >> pointed out is from RFC 2396? >> (See M >> <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b8th36$kfo@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>.)  >>  I >> Paul, how does the combination of ANUNEWS and Netscape handle this? (I J >> actually think the issue is *not* either of these, but how your DECterm& >> handles selection on double-click.)  I > The situation is a bit different when reading on my Mac using Terminal. E > Double clicking there selects according to a variety of delimiters, I > including period. Command + double click selects the whole url, and the . > above format works when posted into Omniweb.  G On my Macintosh running System 9 and Reflection 2+, a single click gets H me a small alphabetic segment and a triple click gets me the whole line.G So I copy and past, cussing those who put the irrelevant "URL:" and ">"  immediately abutting the URL.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 19:20:28 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) D Subject: Re: Citing URLs in Usenet Posts (was: Re: DCL coding . . .)) Message-ID: <kK+Dd4vNG0oD@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <2EYt7FrG9Msp@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: W > In article <9CObGZ4DhJ2G@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: q >> In article <20030505142213.6020.qmail@gacracker.org>, "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  > K >>> What's wrong with the suggested "<URL:" ">" tagging that Richard Brodie ! >>> pointed out is from RFC 2396?  >>> (SeeN >>> <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b8th36$kfo@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>.) >>> J >>> Paul, how does the combination of ANUNEWS and Netscape handle this? (IK >>> actually think the issue is *not* either of these, but how your DECterm ' >>> handles selection on double-click.)  > J >> The situation is a bit different when reading on my Mac using Terminal.F >> Double clicking there selects according to a variety of delimiters,J >> including period. Command + double click selects the whole url, and the/ >> above format works when posted into Omniweb.  > I > On my Macintosh running System 9 and Reflection 2+, a single click gets J > me a small alphabetic segment and a triple click gets me the whole line.I > So I copy and past, cussing those who put the irrelevant "URL:" and ">"  > immediately abutting the URL.   H OS X here. Triple click does the same and on reflection is why I started quoting URLs on their own line.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 15:34:49 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?; Message-ID: <01KVJD1QJGDEAM3M2Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > That is what the IBM "on demand" thing is all about (in part). If you G > use your mainframe for 10 transactions per day, you pay licences that ? > are far cheaper than if you use it for 100,000 transactions.    H What would be a practical equivalent of "transactions" in a typical VMS  environment?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:17:47 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> 8 Subject: Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)2 Message-ID: <BADBA47A.7D93%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  H On 5/4/03 10:00 PM, in article LrIR8rin2IlP@elias.decus.ch, "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:   A > In article <BADA930C.7D4E%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron " > <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:J >> I hate Ranting on news boards, but sometimes I must defend myself, so : >>   >> $SET MESSAGE/RANT >>   >>  N >> Rant #2 : I put periods at the end of the sentences, even if it ends in theO >> use of a url. If I send the message as text (which I did) and I put a url at L >> the end of a sentence, then it is your software that does not know how toM >> properly parse a url out of a properly written English sentence and make a J >> link out of it. The link worked fine with my email/news software. Dont( >> blame me for your choice of software. >>   > ! > My choice of software ?????????  > N > ANUNEWS on VMS, viewed from a DECterm. Double click on the url to select it. > F > Netscape 3.03 running on VMS. Single click to paste the url into the > Location field and hit <RET> >  > Result - a "Not found" error.  > 6 > Please don't attack me for my choice of software :-)J OK, I'm sorry. I guess you'll enjoy your eMail/News Software that does notK work by mistaking a period at the end of a sentence as part of the URL when G making the hyperlink from a text message, and I'll use mine which works 4 fine, as it does not include the period in the link.  I Had I written a hypertext message and made the href in such a way that it K included the period, then you would have a point, but I just sent text, and J your software makes a link out of it, as does my Eudora and Entourage. TheL problem lies in your software that mistakenly takes the period at the end ofI a sentence as part of the url. I also know that Outlook does not make the 
 same mistake.   K When I write my papers that are to be published, they must be grammatically E correct, and while I am not perfect in this area it is important that K periods come at the end of sentences, even if the sentence ends with a URL. I By the way, Word perfect and MS word also understand that a period at the / end of a sentence would not be part of the url.   I I'd send a Software Problem Report to ANUNEWS and Netscape, Have them fix  their software.    Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 11:51:47 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org8 Subject: Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)3 Message-ID: <AwtcZr434IcH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <BADBA47A.7D93%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:K > Had I written a hypertext message and made the href in such a way that it M > included the period, then you would have a point, but I just sent text, and L > your software makes a link out of it, as does my Eudora and Entourage. TheN > problem lies in your software that mistakenly takes the period at the end ofK > a sentence as part of the url. I also know that Outlook does not make the  > same mistake.   B No.  His software did not make a link out of it.  At least not the6 ANU News/DECTerm software.  Don't know about Netscape.  M > When I write my papers that are to be published, they must be grammatically G > correct, and while I am not perfect in this area it is important that M > periods come at the end of sentences, even if the sentence ends with a URL. K > By the way, Word perfect and MS word also understand that a period at the 1 > end of a sentence would not be part of the url.  > K > I'd send a Software Problem Report to ANUNEWS and Netscape, Have them fix  > their software.    That would be silly and stupid.   @ Do you know what the interface of ANU News is?  It's ASCII text.A I'm using ANU News right now in an 80x24 terminal window.  (To be > technically correct, I'm using an EDT editting session spawned out of ANU News).   B My terminal emulator at the moment happens to be Reflection.  So IE can mouse into the middle of my EDT session and double-click on words ? to highlight them.  The ANU News interface does not contain any = notions of "mouse" or "click", so it would be improper to log A a support call with the ANU News maintainers.  Assuming there are > any.  And the Reflection interface does not contain any notionF of "sentence" or "URL".  So it would be improper to log a support call  with the Reflection maintainers.  = Reflection does not count periods as parts of words.  So if I E click into the "foo" in "http://mysite.com/foo.bar" I get just "foo".   ? Apparently DECterm counts dots as part of words.  (A reasonable > choice for a terminal emulator that's going to be used quite a? bit to present file names).  I'd be inclined to forgive DECterm H the sin of parsing a trailing dot in the same manner as an embedded dot.G In fact, I see that as an eminently reasonable and consistent behavior. ? I hate software that tries to be clever about things like that.   > On the other hand, asking you to break the rules of grammer by: removing the trailing period on sentences that end in URLs: would seem extreme as well.  I'd be willing to read past a? missing period at the end of a paragraph.  But in the middle of  one...  No.  I'd rather not.  ? Personally, I'd be happy with a convention in which URLs within 3 plain text were enclosed with quotation marks as in > "http://my.site.com/foo.bar".  But that's personal preference,3 and I'm sure people have software that doesn't work $ well with that convention.  Ah well.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:19:17 +0000 (UTC)) From: Dan Foster <dsf@globalcrossing.net> 8 Subject: Re: DCL coding (was: Re: DCL routine required.)3 Message-ID: <slrnbbd78q.s17.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>   n In article <AwtcZr434IcH@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org <briggs@encompasserve.org> wrote: > @ > On the other hand, asking you to break the rules of grammer by< > removing the trailing period on sentences that end in URLs< > would seem extreme as well.  I'd be willing to read past a  D Well, a reasonable compromise and a nod to these folks stuck in suchE a situation would be to simply add a space between the end of the URL  and the trailing period.  D That's what we do with our weekly reports and as such, it works withA a larger number of email clients than when we omitted that space.   F So it doesn't look perfectly pretty, but it's only a single space, andH it's not very common to end a sentence with an URL. Therefore, given theI low frequency, it doesn't really disrupt the overall look-and-feel of the A document. I have yet to be arrested by the Grammar Police(tm) :-)   D And, just for the record, I use a text-based mail client -- althoughC it is also capable of spawning a text-based web browser if directed ! to for recognizned embedded URLs.    -Dan   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 06:56:25 -0700 , From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya)) Subject: DECserver / Modem Hangup Problem = Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0305050556.70a07042@posting.google.com>   
 Gentlemen!C I have DecServer 900 connected to modems. The moment i call up this C modem (ie afetr handshake and CD) the modem disconnects itself. Its D not a communication from, its a problem on the EIA232 problem. (If iD am connected to the DecServer modem port through LAT i have a stableB Connect) The flow control is hardware CTS-DSR-RTS-DTR on server as well as the modem.   Could you help me out please   Regards, Vinit    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:35:09 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> - Subject: Re: DECserver / Modem Hangup Problem 5 Message-ID: <b963s3$fvvop$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   ; "Vinit Adya" <vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:eb8f4d7b.0305050556.70a07042@posting.google.com...  > Gentlemen!E > I have DecServer 900 connected to modems. The moment i call up this E > modem (ie afetr handshake and CD) the modem disconnects itself. Its F > not a communication from, its a problem on the EIA232 problem. (If iF > am connected to the DecServer modem port through LAT i have a stableD > Connect) The flow control is hardware CTS-DSR-RTS-DTR on server as > well as the modem. >  > Could you help me out please > 
 > Regards, > Vinit   D The DS900 port that connects to the modem has AUTOBAUD switched off?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:32:02 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>- Subject: Re: determine whether a file is open 0 Message-ID: <CFN377464334396296@news.cup.hp.com>  M What about changing the file name/location after the report is completed ? I  G mean - FTP the files from another directory than they are generated in.   M You can have a simple DCL script on background which just moves the files to  M another directory. The move cannot be accomplished while the files are still  F open, so you'll be sure that all files in the second directory are OK.     Jirka   @ On 2 May 2003 13:09:48 -0700 jnboomer@yahoo.com (jboomer) wrote:  D > We have an application which produces reports, placing them in VMSG > text files.  A second process periodically scans for the existence of F > these text files and FTPs them elsewhere.  We want to avoid FTPing aE > partial report, i.e. we want to FTP the files only after the report C > has been completely written to the file.  What is the best way to B > determine that the report file has been closed by the generating > application? > < > The only process I'm aware of involves $sh dev dsa1/files 8 > $pipe sh dev dsa1/files | sea sys$input [reports]*.txt > 0 > Is there a more direct way to accomplish this? > Thanks in advance, >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 08:01:08 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: determine whether a file is open 3 Message-ID: <8YZYXEKdWOW0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <f56c6aaf.0305021209.158db647@posting.google.com>, jnboomer@yahoo.com (jboomer) writes:D > We have an application which produces reports, placing them in VMSG > text files.  A second process periodically scans for the existence of F > these text files and FTPs them elsewhere.  We want to avoid FTPing aE > partial report, i.e. we want to FTP the files only after the report C > has been completely written to the file.  What is the best way to B > determine that the report file has been closed by the generating > application?  G    Unless share is specifical requested, VMS opens files for exclusive  F    access.  Simply attempting to open the file should tell you whether    it's closed.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 08:01:23 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org- Subject: Re: determine whether a file is open 3 Message-ID: <y8GfecS2AT8h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <f56c6aaf.0305021209.158db647@posting.google.com>, jnboomer@yahoo.com (jboomer) writes:D > We have an application which produces reports, placing them in VMSG > text files.  A second process periodically scans for the existence of F > these text files and FTPs them elsewhere.  We want to avoid FTPing aE > partial report, i.e. we want to FTP the files only after the report C > has been completely written to the file.  What is the best way to B > determine that the report file has been closed by the generating > application? > < > The only process I'm aware of involves $sh dev dsa1/files 8 > $pipe sh dev dsa1/files | sea sys$input [reports]*.txt > 0 > Is there a more direct way to accomplish this?  F One thing that you could consider would be to set the file disposition	 on close.    In Fortran, for instance:   D 	open ( unit=1, file='xyz.dat', blah, blah, blah, dispose="DELETE" ) 	...# 	close ( unit=1, dispose="SUBMIT" )   8 Your file gets submitted to SYS$BATCH after it's closed.  E Now, if you've taken care to define a user mode logical for SYS$BATCH H pointing to a queue running EXECSYMB and you define that queue properly,G you can get the file FTP'd to the target system immediately rather than & having a separate process poll for it.  D I like re-specifying final disposition at close rather than at open.I That way, if the program blows up, the right things happen automatically.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:17:28 +0000 (UTC)3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - Subject: Re: determine whether a file is open 2 Message-ID: <b95va7$f4a$1@hercules.btinternet.com>   Hi,   L Could someone please tell me the resource name(s) and access mode for a File lock?   J I've seen the note about the Serialization Lock and can get BLASTed when aK directory entry is created but then I want to wait for an exclusive lock on / the file so that I know the Copy has completed.   C So, I've got the F11B$ stuff at Kernel mode for the directory entry H and the RMS$ FID and RFA sub-lock stuff at Executive mode for the record9 locking bits, but I think I'm missing the bit in between.    Regards Richard Maher   A PS. I know about trigger files and RENAMEs but this customer wantM? transparency because they can/will not change upstream systems.   C Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in message D news:Pine.LNX.4.21.0305022214150.21406-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl... > On 2 May 2003, jboomer wrote:1 >eF > >+We have an application which produces reports, placing them in VMSI > >+text files.  A second process periodically scans for the existence ofwH > >+these text files and FTPs them elsewhere.  We want to avoid FTPing aG > >+partial report, i.e. we want to FTP the files only after the reportgE > >+has been completely written to the file.  What is the best way toUD > >+determine that the report file has been closed by the generating > >+application? > >+= > >+The only process I'm aware of involves $sh dev dsa1/files:: > >+$pipe sh dev dsa1/files | sea sys$input [reports]*.txt > >+2 > >+Is there a more direct way to accomplish this? >e
 >  May be: >p > $ReCheck:  > $! Test a exclusive OPEN:p7 > $ OPEN/READ/WRITE IO 'the_file_name'/ERROR=STILL_OPENh > $ CLOSE IO > $! Here the code to start FTPi >i > ...  > $STILL_OPEN: > $! And here wait and recheck: $ > $ wait 0::1 ! Or the time you want > $ goto reCheck >  >  Regards - Gotfryd >u > --G > =====================================================================gH > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - > THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME 0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plG > =====================================================================n >l >s   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 08:45:17 -0700s- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)m Subject: Re: Digital logoh= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0305050745.23d22582@posting.google.com>   2 Please, tell me in which directory I can find the 0 DecServer configuration file. In that file I saw the Digital logo that I want.n
 Thanks...   k Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message news:<howard-B6B6CA.12224304052003@enews.newsguy.com>... > > In article <ddf392ea.0305040649.e310c84@posting.google.com>,1 >  contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) wrote:p >  > > Hi all: F > >  Where could I get the escape sequences to make the Digital logo ?5 > >  (Id like to put Digital logo in a procedure...)  > ' > Why not make them up?  It's not hard:i >  > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+- > | d | i | g | i | t | a | l |- > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+1 >  > $ > ...or did you mean something else?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:33:08 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>e Subject: Digital UNIX key chainf8 Message-ID: <XZrta.480$J%5.128863@news20.bellglobal.com>  L I just found a one of those cool license plate key chains in my desk drawer.  L One side has the designation of "UNIX", the state of "digital" and the motto "Live Free or Die"  I The other side has the designation of "Y W8 4 HP" (why wait for HP?), the>9 state of "California" and the motto "The Migration State"e  = I wonder how much Carly will pay me not to sell this on eBay?     :-)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/e   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 07:27:49 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)eF Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0305050627.173f640c@posting.google.com>   X Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<b8n11j$eq7$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>...% > This is what I think that happened. O > The CEO's of HP and Compaq were talking about a merger, or better a takeover rR > from Compaq by HP. However there was one big problem. Both companies had a line Q > of midrange computer systems that were totaly incompatible. Keeping both lines pR > would have been impossible. At that time HP was working on the successor of the S > PA Risc architecture, and they did that in cooperation with Intel. So they had a iM >   choice, using the superior Alpha architecture, or going for the unproven o	 > Itanic.   ? I recently read the book 'Perfect Enough: Carly Fiorina and the @ Reinvention of Hewlett-Packard' by George Anders (which I highly@ recommend), and the record there seems to indicate that Compaq'sA decision to move from Alpha to Itanium occurred before the mergert discussions started.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:36:07 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>fF Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!; Message-ID: <01KVJF5CGDWGAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r  A > I recently read the book 'Perfect Enough: Carly Fiorina and the B > Reinvention of Hewlett-Packard' by George Anders (which I highlyB > recommend), and the record there seems to indicate that Compaq'sC > decision to move from Alpha to Itanium occurred before the merger  > discussions started. a  E How certain is this information?  Of course, this is something which, C were it not true, some people would like people to believe it to bes true.   D So, is this will-stand-up-in-a-court-of-law certain, or more in the C category of former Soviet leaders removed from balcony photographs?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 15:15:47 GMT-& From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>F Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!0 Message-ID: <CFN377467137676042@news.cup.hp.com>  O On 5 May 2003 07:27:49 -0700 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote:s   > A > I recently read the book 'Perfect Enough: Carly Fiorina and therB > Reinvention of Hewlett-Packard' by George Anders (which I highlyB > recommend), and the record there seems to indicate that Compaq'sC > decision to move from Alpha to Itanium occurred before the merger  > discussions started.  2 Isn't it a bit too cheeky to call it reinvention ?   J.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:35:54 -04005 From: ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff).Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolys/ Message-ID: <b95st3$dfr$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>o  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagei' news:87llxmegfx.fsf@prep.synonet.com...I9 > ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) writes:h >  > > ...e >iE > >   It's in-effin-credible what one finds posted to this newsgroup. = > >   Next thing you know, somebody will write that there's ai? > >   functional 9 track 800/1600/6250 bpi tape unit in or near 3 > >   Ottawa.  Or I might hit a 6/49 Lotto jackpot.  > A > There is two, or three in the next room. Is that close enought?l  <   Depends on the price of parcel post.  Weigh 10 2400' reels$   and get an estimate and we'll see.     B-)    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:08:14 +0000 (UTC)8 From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins)Y Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly monopolo. Message-ID: <b95r8e$127c$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>  - In article <87llxmegfx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,c. Paul Repacholi  <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:8 >ab528@freenet.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) writes:  D >>   It's in-effin-credible what one finds posted to this newsgroup.< >>   Next thing you know, somebody will write that there's a> >>   functional 9 track 800/1600/6250 bpi tape unit in or near2 >>   Ottawa.  Or I might hit a 6/49 Lotto jackpot.  @ >There is two, or three in the next room. Is that close enought?  D I'll be happy to take those spare jackpots off your hands if they're taking up too much room :)   hawk -- 2K Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics    /"\   ASCII ribbon campaignFG dochawk@psu.edu  Smeal 178  (814) 375-4700      \ /   against HTML mailsD These opinions will not be those of              X    and postings. 6 Penn State until it pays my retainer.           / \      ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:09:43 +0000 (UTC)8 From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins)P Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly. Message-ID: <b95rb7$127c$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>  ) In article <3EB5A23C.1A725141@istop.com>, , JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: >CBFalconer wrote:B >> > The Perth *Australia* area isn't exactly "in or near Ottawa", >> > although Perth Ontario is.-  + >> That depends entirely on your viewpoint.   " >Ok, from an australian viewpoint:E >http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/gazm01?placename=ottawa&placetype=0&state=0-  M >Reveals that there is only a "Ottawa Creek" in Australia. And since Perth iswO >not far from the exact opposite on the earth (in french: antipode) from Ottawa1F >Ontario, I'd say that there is very little argument to say that PerthF >Australia is close to Ottawa Ontario, unless you are a space alien 20 >gazillion light years away.  B Even if you're a Venetian (we all know that there are no Martians)  G hawk, shshing his aliens to keep their, uhh, mouthlike aperatures, shut  -- oK Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics    /"\   ASCII ribbon campaign-G dochawk@psu.edu  Smeal 178  (814) 375-4700      \ /   against HTML mail<D These opinions will not be those of              X    and postings. 6 Penn State until it pays my retainer.           / \      ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 08:59:55 GMTw& From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz># Subject: Re: Infoserver replacementh/ Message-ID: <CFN37746452805081@news.cup.hp.com>s  P On Fri, 02 May 2003 11:35:34 -0500 Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> wrote:   > BFLG should be set to either:o >  > D0100000 or D0000000 >   " Yes, it's set to boot from [SYSD].  E > Check the console at power-up for anything that fails with two "??"a > I > The only replacement (IMHO) for booting a VXT from an Infoserver is to  J > load it up with memory and boot from a MOP-capable system.  The problem F > is that you CAN NOT put the pagefile for the VXT on anything but an H > Infoserver disk so you have to max memory on the VXT.  I imagine that 8 > finding memory for any VXT could be quite difficult... >   O I guess that the max memory for VXT2000+ is 16/32 MB. That's really not enough I :-(r  M Well, what about a simh running Infoserver sw (for paging only) ? Could this   work ?   Jirka0   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:11:39 GMTr& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! 0 Message-ID: <fXwta.270$eh7.246@news.cpqcorp.net>  P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:< > In the circumsatances pointing out that the V210 is a less> > expandible version of the V240 is a very minor misdemeanour.  B I guess that depends on how much smaller a SPECweb99_SSL result it; achieves :) Still, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.o  F >> Now that does not include a credit for the 2GB of RAM that needs toB >> be junked from the base config, assume there is one and give it@ >> that credit ($1590) and that seems to suggest $12,580, not 8K >> dollars.M  @ > Sorry forgot about the 8 GB, so the system config costs 10,680 > or 21360 for 2.l  # So we are still apart by about 20%.m  F > The standard 4 GB system ships with 4 1GB DIMMS, we just add another > 2 x 2 x 1GB DIMMS.  @ What is the public URL to the standard 4GB system config you are
 quoting?    ? The Price and Buy link for the "large" V240 config from which I1E started is a 2 GB config with 4x512 MB DIMMs. It listed no 4x1GB DIMMm config.g  ? > Hum, my suspicion is that nobody has bothered because it is a   > horizontally scaled workload.   F One thing I have learned (though perhaps have not always practised) is to spell assume "ass-u-me."3  D I had a hand in the specification of the SPECweb99_SSL benchmark and@ some familiarity with it.  There is one particular aspect of theB dynamic API workload that requires a bit of work to keep the stateC consistent. If you are curious, you can lookup the "post log" stuffcF from the workload. There are internal consistency requirements for theE post log that require a clustered result to be more than just a bunchcA of systems joined with wet string.  Still there is nothing in the B workload that absolutely precludes clustering it if a vendor is so motivated and able.a  A > And if it isn't then it isn't terribly indicative of real worlddF > because I have a number of customers using farms of Web servers with& > cryptos which do horizontally scale.  E Yet someone in Sun marketing seems to think SPECweb99_SSL is at leasteE a worthwhile benchmark to publish, indicative or not, or we would notl? have those tepid V240 and Netra20/280R SPECweb99_SSL results toi discuss here :)   C The next generation of SPEC web benchmark is under development.  IfhC you would like to contribute your thoughts, and do not already have C the contacts, I can send email to Sun's representatives to SPEC for 4 the benchmark suggesting they get in touch with you.  < > Humm, how many customers do you have using Zeus, most will: > be using Apache, SunOne or the IBM WebSphere web server.  E If the Netcraft surveys are any indication, many more folks are using(, Zeus than Sun ONE. The April 2003 survey at:  7 http://news.netcraft.com/archives/webserver_survey.htmlh  > suggests that there many more sites running Zeus than Sun ONE.F Netcraft does not break-out an historical curve for Zeus.  The currentB historical curve for Sun ONE (nee Netscape) is there and shows its considerable long-term decline.f  D > Nice to do benchmarks with but it hardly figures in the Web server
 > stakes.   F Seems to figure rather more than Sun ONE :) Both are dwarfed by Apache and Microsoft.  0 > Sun does supply Apache supported with Solaris   : As does HP with HP-UX. (I do not know what comes with VMS)  F > and the Crypto cards also accelerate Apache as well as does the SNCA  F If the SNCA is worth its salt, you aught be able to put just about anyC web server behind it and see decent results since the SNCA would be> doing virtually all the work.e  > You would think that using crypto cards rated for thousands of@ simultaneous SSL transactions per second would yield really highF SPECweb99_SSL performance.  Yet that does not seem to be the case fromE the results published thusfar.  It shows there are still other thingseD that the host processor needs to do and a weak host processor cannotA hide behind a crypto accelerator the same way a web server can be ' hidden behind an in-kernel accelerator.c  ? > But since you seem to want nit pick a complete costing on the:@ > HP will need to add VxFS to the HP config price as well as the > Zeus licenses.  D There is a partitioning of VxFS in HP-UX.  The base VxFS is includedA with the OS.  Certain "advanced" features are addon.  None of theaC advanced features appear to have been used and so the add-on Online ? VxFS stuff would not be required.  Also, while the OS used VxFSrD filesystems (they are the default), the file_set and web server logsE happened to be on HFS filesystems.  The only filesystems that see anyfC activity during a SPECweb99* run are those for the file set and thet web server logs.  < The V240 results do not say anything about filesystem types.C Presumeably they were whatever are default for Solaris 9 4/03.  ThelA SPEC reporting rules only require disclosure when something isn't  default.  
 rick jones -- i= denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, rebirth...tC                                      where do you want to be today?dF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...o   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 07:48:22 -0700r  From: kuff@tessco.com (Hal Kuff)! Subject: Madgoat ftp command file-= Message-ID: <6838ef26.0305050648.480b8d71@posting.google.com>l  F does anyone have a clean ascii copy of the ftp_mirror.com command fileC from ftp_mirror in the madgoat archives ... the copy of the archivem/ online seems to have incomaptible attributes...d   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 07:11:24 -0700<1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)e8 Subject: Re: MicroVAX crash in RMU/RESTORE operations...= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0305050611.74ea46cd@posting.google.com>d  r contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) wrote in message news:<ddf392ea.0305040818.55fad67e@posting.google.com>...J > Is there any way to bypass this limitation ? I cant switch to VMS v6.0.: > Is there any way to divide one 9.1 GB HD in two 4.5 GB ?  C In addition to the controller partitioning solution noted by David, D you can also use the host-based 'Compaq [formerly StorageWorks] RAID" Software for OpenVMS' product (seeE http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP4649/SP4649PF.PDF) to divide the 9.1 > GB disk into partitions of 8.5 billion bytes or less, and then5 recombine those if necessary into a bound volume set.n  ; For more info, see my DECUS presentation from 1999 on 'Diska Partitioning on OpenVMS' ateJ http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/decus_presentations/s99_partition.ppt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:15:38 -0400-- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>0( Subject: Re: Migrate email to VMS server/ Message-ID: <3EB6720A.25AC838@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>(   Paul Sture wrote: D > In article <3EB2FF8C.188E6532@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>, Jonathan Boswell G >> Having issued the MAIL COPY command by hand ad nauseum over the last G >> couple of days, I can assure you that it injects a spurious CR after. >> the VMS header and  > ? > Can you not write another DCL snippet to remove the extra CR?r  L Yes, and you can just do it by hand.  The MAIL>COPY command puts it back in.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 18:36:40 +0200s) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)/( Subject: Re: Migrate email to VMS server) Message-ID: <rwvjQrQIo$36@elias.decus.ch>o  _ In article <3EB6720A.25AC838@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>, Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> writes:i > Paul Sture wrote:wE >> In article <3EB2FF8C.188E6532@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>, Jonathan Boswell tH >>> Having issued the MAIL COPY command by hand ad nauseum over the lastH >>> couple of days, I can assure you that it injects a spurious CR after >>> the VMS header and >> l@ >> Can you not write another DCL snippet to remove the extra CR? > N > Yes, and you can just do it by hand.  The MAIL>COPY command puts it back in.   Oh...g     -- e
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 08:59:07 +0200c) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)e? Subject: Netscape 3.03 performance tip - set disk cache to zeroh) Message-ID: <ZSX9Cr1vk55R@elias.decus.ch>e  J I noticed yesterday that Netscape 3.03 on VMS was running extremely slowlyH and hammering the disk. Remembering something about cache, I dug up this post on Google.l   http://groups.google.ch/groups?q=comp.os.vms+netscape+cache&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3608D01F.606CD63B%40star.zko.dec.youknowwhere&rnum=14   (sorry if that wraps)h  K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------a Date: 1998/09/23 o     address deleted wrote: > J >         We continue to  have  weekly  cases  where  Netscape 3.03 eitherJ >     hangs  a VAXstation or completely blows the DECwindows Server out ofJ >     the water (my VAX4000/60 actually crashed just the other day becauseJ >     of something related to Netscape and/or the Server).  This out of  aJ >     population   of   about  25  VAXstation  3100/76's,  4000/VLC's  and7 >     4000/60's (the VLC's being the worst, of course).l  D Sorry to hear about your problems with the server. I've been runningH Navigator 3.03 on my Alphastation 255 here (VMS V7.1) and the DecwindowsG server has been pretty much rock solid. Can't say the same for NetscapeuE - I manage to take it off the air about once a week - usually because D it's been handed something a little strange that it can't deal with.  F The disk cache is known to be a real problem area, and you're probably" best off running with it disabled.K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------u  J Indeed, I went to Options | Network Preferences, changed the disk cache toF zero, clicked on "Clear disk cache now", and received an immediate and) quite noticeable performance improvement.      -- r
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 5 MAY 2003 15:58:20 GMTu+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> / Subject: Re: Not entirely OT: RSHELL to Solaris 1 Message-ID: <5MAY03.15582006@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>   I In a previous article, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:K > Milton wrote:e
 > > [snip]J > > I assume from your silence, that the info I posted was what you needed > > to do the job? >  r > Well, sort of. >  iH > The combination of /etc/hosts.equiv and ~/.rhosts does allow me to runI > my rsh from VMS without the password so long as my VMS username matchesx/ > the target username (on the Solaris machine).  >  lE > What I wanted was for that to work regardless of the source machine J > username (DDACHTERA, OPERATOR, etc.). AFAICT, the only way to accomplishG > that is to have a Solaris user entry with the same username as on then. > host machine, which is what I need to avoid.  = I don't have access to a Solaris system, but the man file form; /etc/hosts.equiv on a T64 system implies that an entry like      vms.system.adr +  F will give *any* user on vms.system.adr access to the T64 system.  Then I'd expect a command like   5   $ rshell /user=Solaris_user_name Solaris.system.adrM  G to provide password-less access to the Solaris system.  I've not testede this, however.   [snip]  D > Thus I must still RSHELL to the machine to run the volumes by userJ > report, trap the output, then use SEARCH to (quickly) find those entriesH > which belong to user SYSTEM and have VM as the first two characters ofJ > the volume label. Then, I must build a list of ACSLS commands to set theH > owner of those cart.'s back to my cluster's id., FTP that command listI > to the Solaris box (haven't figured out Multinet's RCP syntax yet - the H > HELP is not accurate) and then RSHELL again to execute those commands.  G I don't recall any problems with MultiNet's on-line help for rcp, but Ie don't use it often.s   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 10:40:03 -0700w1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)e7 Subject: OpenVMS discussion family added to ITRC Forums = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305050940.6cb61bfc@posting.google.com>b   From: Lopour, Adria # Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:55 AMi To: VMS Interest Listt Subject: OpenVMS forum h        B New to the ITRC Forums is an area for OpenVMS discussions! The newD OpenVMS forum family is in direct response to customer requests, andA coincides with the announcement of HP OpenVMS support for the newrD members of the HP AlphaServer systems  (GS1280, ES80 and ES47).  TheC ITRC Forums are now a valuable tool for IT professionals supportingt& new and existing OpenVMS environments.  @ The new OpenVMS forums family creates an opportunity for OpenVMSB professionals to develop a community in an HP managed environment.? Members can exchange best practices, knowledge, and experiences D relating specifically to OpenVMS, including the evolution to OpenVMS! on future Itanium-based systems.t  > Discussions areas are centered on installation, configuration,D debugging, security, and performance related issues. HP Experts haveF been trained to help moderate the following new discussion categories:   -          hardwareo    -          system administration   -          languages   -          networkinga   -          general  # Join the OpenVMS community today atoE http://forums.itrc.hp.com/cm/FamilyHome/1,,288,00.html For more on HP:. OpenVMS systems, go to the HP OpenVMS web site   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2003 06:19:55 -0700f1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)e/ Subject: Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.1 Now Availablet= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305050519.60d617b6@posting.google.com>m   -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan  " Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:18 AM$ To: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG/ Subject: Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.1 Now Availableo    ' Dear everyone on my distribution lists,r   She's Back!i  5 And glad to be back with the best group in the world.l  
 Warm Regards,  Sue    -----Original Message-----7 From: Ginger Vollmar [mailto:ginger.vollmar@oracle.com]i" Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:28 PME To: rdbspt_au; rdbspt_ch; rdbspt_co; rdbspt_pr; rdbspt_hu; rdbspt_ca; A rdbspt_kr; rdbspt_us; rdbspt_nl; rdbspt_fr; rdbspt_de; rdbspt_it;tH rdbspt_ru; rdbspt_es; kfarmer@openvms.org; Vazquez, MaryJane; Skonetski, Susan; Maximous, Signe/ Subject: Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.1 Now Availableh    A     We are pleased to announce the release of Oracle Rdb Release 1>     7.1.1 (aka V7.1-1).  The kit is available on Metalink and (     internally on the Oracle network at:     C     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS71.RDBV71101KIT_AMV]   (Optimized Kit)t     C     RDBV71101KIT_AMV.ZIP;1  109826/109830    2-MAY-2003 16:49:29.18g  G     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS71.RDBV71100KIT_AMV]   (Non-Optimized Kit)t  C     RDBV71100KIT_AMV.ZIP;1  117014/117040    2-MAY-2003 16:59:20.08t    5     Software Errors Fixed in Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.1 5     -------------------------------------------------o     7     Software Errors Fixed That Apply to All Interfaces aE       - DBR Process Bugchecks In DBR$DO_C_AIJBUF During Node-failure t         RecoveryF       - 2PC Transaction Rolled Back If Transaction Manager Unavailable&       - New After Image Journal Format       - Sequence Numbers Repeaty9       - Recovered Database May Not Have Correct SequencesoD       - Bugcheck When Reserving Sequence Slots at RUJ$JOURNAL + 028C?       - Left Outer Query With OR Predicate Returns Wrong Resulto?       - Left Outer Query With OR Predicate Returns Wrong Result ?       - GROUP BY Query With Match Strategy Returns Wrong ResulthB       - Query Bugchecks When IN Clause Contains More Than 2 Dbkeys>       - Left OJ Query Applying ZigZag Match Strategy BugchecksF       - Unexpected Privileges Required Using VLM or SSB Features with &         OpenVMS Galaxy Support Enabled<       - Processes Loop at IPL2 When VLM or SSB Features UsedF       - Memory Leak With Preattached SQL/Services Service and Persona          EnabledeD       - Persona Rights Not Honored With Non-privileged SQL/Services          Service      SQL Errors FixedE       - Simple CASE and DECODE Not Processed Correctly In Dynamic SQLtA       - PARTITION Clause Of SET TRANSACTION ... RESERVING Ignored)E       - Unexpected BAD_SYM Error When Recreating Table With IDENTITY           Column     Oracle RMU Errors FixedaC       - Data Corruption In V7.0 After RMU/CONVERT/ROLLBACK If Rows 0         Updated in V7.1HD       - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL Indicated Record Length Incorrect>       - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL /CONTINUOUS Leaves AIJ Open@       - Some RMU Parallel Backup Parameters Were Incorrectly SetD       - RMU Parallel Backup New Style Tape Density Not Set CorrectlyF       - RMU Parallel Backup Sometimes Did Not Update the Database Root=       - RMU/BACKUP/AFTER_JOURNAL to Tape Could Sometimes HangtD       - RMU Load Support For Interchange (RBR) Files From SQL EXPORT?       - Various RMU Commands Return File Access Conflict Errorsu    5     Enhancements Provided in Oracle Rdb Release 7.1.1w5     -------------------------------------------------   -     Enhancements that Apply to all Interfaces,-       - Scan Intrusion Security Now Supportedh     Ginger Vollmar Rdb Engineering    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:16:53 +0300- From: "Esa Laitinen" <punkki@suespammers.org>R/ Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP bug in relay protection 1 Message-ID: <b94vkl$q4h$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi>c  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> kirjoitti viestiss# news:3EB4D777.916828B5@istop.com...eL > The test then declares it "vulnerable" because the SMTP server should haveK > considered this an attempt to relay mail from outside  to another outsiden > domain "mail-abuse-org".  K The interesting thing to check is whether the message really gets deliveredoE since it could be blocked later. Unfortunately the test site you usedo  doesn't try to send the message.   esaa     --E The suespammers.org mail server is located in California; do not sends> unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my suespammers.org addressW   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 08:37:23 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)m6 Subject: The first spam ever came from DEC, apparently) Message-ID: <SeSsqfWSyLrI@elias.decus.ch>l  F The BBC website today has an article claiming that the first ever spam" originated from DEC, 25 years ago.  1 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2996319.stm   L The article ends with this statement, which judging by the rubbish I receive could well be true:-  I "The report lends credence to speculation that spammers send the messagesnH only to entice people to respond so they can draw up a huge list of live7 e-mail addresses that they can then sell on to others."    -- a
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 03:14:46 -0400w* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: Re: The first spam ever came from DEC, apparently) Message-ID: <3EB60F5E.19B1FF31@istop.com>o   Paul Sture wrote:sK > "The report lends credence to speculation that spammers send the messageswJ > only to entice people to respond so they can draw up a huge list of live9 > e-mail addresses that they can then sell on to others."t  1 I wonder if Readers Digest is behind all of this.p  D Also, I suspect that some of the HTML spams derived revenus from theS advertising that may pop up as part of the message when someone opens that message.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:27:34 +0200:B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>: Subject: Re: The first spam ever came from DEC, apparently6 Message-ID: <3EB682E6.ADF@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>   Paul Sture wrote:. > H > The BBC website today has an article claiming that the first ever spam$ > originated from DEC, 25 years ago. > 3 > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2996319.stme  & You can find the history of spam at : -  http://www.templetons.com/brad/spamterm.htmla   -- e ME Posted by news://news.nb.nue   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 03 19:10:00 +0200.) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)t: Subject: Re: The first spam ever came from DEC, apparently) Message-ID: <gg426C6nWiUq@elias.decus.ch>   { In article <3EB682E6.ADF@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>, Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> writes:o > Paul Sture wrote:h >> hI >> The BBC website today has an article claiming that the first ever spamn% >> originated from DEC, 25 years ago.t >> i4 >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2996319.stm > ( > You can find the history of spam at : / >  http://www.templetons.com/brad/spamterm.htmlo >    A good link. Thanks.   -- o
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:43:24 GMTy9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>t@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?. Message-ID: <Mwwta.268$w87.3@news.cpqcorp.net>  H The "unofficial" answer (although if I remember correctly, your business' seems to be to port people off of VMS):   I The DII/COE Kernel is available today from HP, using a special version of5H VMS (this was done purely to manage risk to schedules).  This version ofL OpenVMS - and the DII/COE Kernel are currently in production use at customerJ several sites.  The changes that were made in the OS and several librariesE are being integrated into the next V7.3-* release of OpenVMS, and theeF DII/COE Kernel is being moved to the new version of the OS and will beL retested.  The new release of the DII/COE Kernel availability is anticipatedE to be early next calendar year.  OpenVMS is committed to existing and L emerging government standards and requirements today on Alpha, and tommorrow on both Alpha and Itanium.  J Note that the DII/COE Kernel is subject to export restrictions, and is notE generally available to everyone.  If you need specific details on the L DII/COE Kernel, feel free to contact me, and I will refer you to someone who! can make an "official" statement.m  L OpenVMS emerged from the merger "clean room" as one of the 5 OS's that wouldK carry forward with Itanium at HP - HP-UX, OpenVMS, Linux, Windows, and NSK.nL HP is making a serious investment in OpenVMS to do this and had they decidedK that the OpenVMS lifetime would be limited, it is not likely that a port tomG Itanium would have been considered.  OpenVMS is now booted on 3 ItaniumtF platforms, and on the integrated hardware roadmaps for HP - and is nowE involved in product planning for current and future Itanium platformsiH spanning single processor systems to the largest servers.  We are in theI process of working with a number of very large customers who are planningiH large, long term projects where development will begin in the next year,C deployment in several years, and project lifecycles with technologylH refreshes tend to be about 10+ years.  In one case, this will be the 3rdI generation of OpenVMS technology refresh for the mission.  These projects % *define* the term "mission critical".t  C If your customer needs direct information from people who can speakdI officially about the OpenVMS roadmap, strategy, and make HP committments,=G then I suggest the simple solution of contacting Sue Skonetski, who canO easily make that happen.      A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message=  news:3EB30194.2040006@Free.fr... > Warren Sander wrote: > > from the product manager:- > ../..- > ' > The product manager of what, please ?o >a7 > > May I ask you what was the reason of your research?l >hF > Course you may. I have recently created in France an independent "HP OpenVMSmJ > Future Reflexion Group". Within this scope, I have been officially asked toI > perform an intensively documented study on the future of OpenVMS for and europeanG > company who needs 25 years of commitment on their next IT development.	 platform.tJ > As OpenVMS on IA64 is committed by HP to last 20 years, I wanted to know when) > these 20 years will start to countdown.  > J > Today, my Customer uses VMS on VAX systems. VAX systems maintenance will be EOLL > in 2010. If VMS V8 is available next year or in two years or so AND if theC > commitment from HP to the DOD is still a commitment, I can easily  recommend my) > Customer to "go itanium" without risks.o >iL > However, if the future of VMS is not that clear (but a special 7.2 version for0I > the DOD which does not include 7.3 features afaik) mainly because of ant absoluteJ > absence of advertising to "regular" Customers from HP worldwide and moreJ > precisely in Europe (but I will not go back to this issue here again), I will -J > following my conscience - suggest my Customer to think about IBM pSeriesK > 650/Linux systems which seem, to me, to be the only valid, attractive and L > serious solution to replace VAX/VMS systems for the kind of development my > Customer is doing. >p > D. >  > Sector7 France representative  > http://www.sector7france.com >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 19:18:38 +0200-4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?& Message-ID: <3EB69CEE.7000007@Free.fr>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:J > The "unofficial" answer (although if I remember correctly, your busines= se) > seems to be to port people off of VMS):w   (let me live dangerously)hJ In the States, maybe, but not in Europe as long as I drive Sector7 busine=
 ss over=20J here. I have a 22 years love story with VMS (and numerous are the witness=	 es :-)=20o: believe me, it is not gonna disappear with a fingers snap.   =2E./..lJ > Note that the DII/COE Kernel is subject to export restrictions, and is = notH" > generally available to everyone.  J My Customer is not interested in the DII-COE version of VMS. Just 25 year= s=20J commitment, because they use VMS to manufacture/maintain high availabilit= y=20J mission cricical products which have a contractual 25 years life duration= =2E   E > If your customer needs direct information from people who can speakmJ > officially about the OpenVMS roadmap, strategy, and make HP committment= s,J > then I suggest the simple solution of contacting Sue Skonetski, who can=   > easily make that happen.  J Yeah. The famous VMS "Ambassador". I wrote to him three times for three=20: different (very big accounts) Customers. He never replied.  & Sue? Make HP commitments? This is new.   Thanks for your answer, Fred.d   D. --=20o,    -----------------------------------------+ Sector7 - The Application Rehosting Factoryt+ 19 chemin de la Butte 31400 Toulouse Francec- T=E9l: 33(0)5 6120 1964 Fax: 33(0)5 6154 1928s%          http://www.sector7france.comi+ -------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.248 ************************