1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 06 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 250       Contents: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ? ( Are Bridgeworks and Multinet compatible?% Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage ( Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' RE: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? $ Re: determine whether a file is open$ Re: determine whether a file is open Re: Digital logo3 Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 2003  Re: Help with Vest< Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd= Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! = Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 G Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly G Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly 8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! Java "Unknown host" problem # Re: Make Device Online from Offline # Re: Make Device Online from Offline < Memo:  Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ? Re: Migrate email to VMS server  pipe search question Re: pipe search question RE: pipe search question Re: Q - Printer Problems- Re: Synch-on-Green LCD monitor for Vaxstation B UK Hobbyist licenses, was: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?
 VAX Survey( Re: Vintage Computer Festival Europe 4.0( Re: Vintage Computer Festival Europe 4.09 Re: WAS (Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage) NOW SOCK! 0 Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???0 Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???0 Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???0 Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? 5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ? 9 Re: [Q] On-disk BACKUP save set block size = 33040 bytes?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 12:14:08 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?5 Message-ID: <b988ug$gr55o$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ' In article <3EB7818C.A67451A4@aaa.com>, ) 	Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> writes: 4 > You *do* know the similarity between american beer > and making love in a canoe ? > ) > They are both fu--ing close to water...  >   @ I've heard that one, but I always considered american beer to be= much closer to a much less palatable liquid of similar color.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:34:04 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?' Message-ID: <3EB7818C.A67451A4@aaa.com>   2 You *do* know the similarity between american beer and making love in a canoe ?  ' They are both fu--ing close to water...    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > ? > No matter what they say, american beer doesn't and will never 
 > measure up.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:13:27 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) 1 Subject: Are Bridgeworks and Multinet compatible? 5 Message-ID: <9373757A6warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>   	 Hi folks,   J Would anyone know if Bridgeworks can run on an OpenVMS instance that uses H Multinet rather than UCX?  The Bridgeworks docs list UCX as an optional K requirement, but seem to say nothing about alternative tcpip stacks.  (And  B the salesperson hasn't returned my call from yesterday afternoon.)   ws   --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:20:23 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>. Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage) Message-ID: <3EB76237.4149189D@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote:  > So, here is the dream :  > O > Some computer in the finished basement has various thermocouples at strategic O > points along the pipe between the pump and the lake. Electric heating element L > all along the underground pipe to the lake. And temperature sensors in theP > cottage. Computer has a modem that dials (or is dialed into) to provide statusN > of the cottage, and also allows one to remotely turn up the temperature up aO > few hours prior to us going there during winter, otherwise, the cottage would M > be in lights out mode with just enough to keep pipes from freezing. Talking - > about about 8 months "light-out" operation.   F To be perfectly honest with you, if I was doing this I would NOT use aE computer, even running VMS, to perform the "process control". I would G use basic "frost stat" type equipment and heaters without involving any E computer directed process control. I think the only reason you'd need A that would be if quite precise control of temperature was needed.   E Sure, use some box or other to send back images, status, etc. perhaps H override and put on the heating for a day before you arrive. I'd perhapsF use one for "security" functions, switching on and off radios, lights,G perhaps even watering plants. I suppose you could also have water level F detectors, that if a pipe did burst, you could send back a signal, butC bear in mind that if the temperature drops that low, most computing D equipment is outside that operating range, and has to be kept out of danger (above water etc.)   H OK so these are just my thoughts. I appreciate that Canada probably gets@ colder than I experience on an irregular basis, and you are more5 familiar with the layouts and requirements than I am.   B Now a quick oblig, I've run VMS boxes both _stood_ in water and inG extremely hot conditions, and ignoring the obvious things got no worse.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 03:54:35 -0700 " From: daveparboo@hotmail.com (DXP). Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage< Message-ID: <819f1cc4.0305060254.9626109@posting.google.com>  H > Any comments on the type of interfaces between sensors, relays and the > computer ? > K > Since many here are involved in process control, I figured this newsgroup 8 > could provide some insight on such a (dream) project ?  B You could try using X-10 - the following two links may provide you with a start...    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=ISO-8859-1&threadm=3D43781A.5738754F%40earthlink.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26oe%3DISO-8859-1%26q%3Dx10%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dcomp.os.vms   = http://www.encompasserve.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/3064.HTML      Kind Regards     Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:46:23 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com . Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage1 Message-ID: <03050607462377@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    > So, here is the dream :  > O > Some computer in the finished basement has various thermocouples at strategic O > points along the pipe between the pump and the lake. Electric heating element L > all along the underground pipe to the lake. And temperature sensors in theP > cottage. Computer has a modem that dials (or is dialed into) to provide statusN > of the cottage, and also allows one to remotely turn up the temperature up aO > few hours prior to us going there during winter, otherwise, the cottage would M > be in lights out mode with just enough to keep pipes from freezing. Talking - > about about 8 months "light-out" operation.   K I had this dream about using my computer in my car - back in the early 80's J when I was a whimsical type of guy.  As Red would have put it, "Dumb-Ass".    P > So the computer would essentially act as a 7/24 monitor all year long and takeM > whatever action is needed to keep house in good shape while allowing remote  > monitoring/management.  O You are talking about some serious code here.  Did someone say, HAL?  How about  Demon Seed?     P > And while we are at it, have some small digital camera which would allow us toN > remotely see what is going on at the cottage during winter. (ok, not needed, > but would be way cool !)  M Look up home security systems for ideas, then see if the product is available N as a non-security item.  From what I have been told that if it is a "security"! item then the price is jacked up.     J > While in the past, this would have seemed to be science fiction, this is4 > becoming more and more an interesting possibility. > M > Now, obviously, this wouldn't be implemented all at once, but the one thing M > that would have to be done is embed thermocouples +  heater and wiring into J > the pipe between cottage and lake while we have a backhoe on site to digO > foundations. (pipes should be at least 1 metre below ground to escape most of 
 > the frost).  > O > But this has gotten me to think about what sort of computer could be used and ) > what sort of interfaces should it have.  > P > USB ? Serial ? (are there ethernet data collection, as well as ethernet driven > relays etc ?  M I have had a similiar idea of putting in wiring in the old homestead so I can G implement a security solution.  I would suggest using CAT-5 - more than O sufficient for your dreams.  Make drops to windows, doors, currnet phone lines, C access areas (front, rear doors, etc.) common areas, hallways, etc.     N > If going for serial ports, would that essentially limit it to some 8086 withM > enough serial cards/ports ? Right ? (and old vax is out of question because F > renewing hobbyist licences is not something to be done for a house).  N An old VAX with a hobbyist license would work - why not, it is not commercial.    L > While it would be cool to use VMS for this, it would cost way too much forL > real licenses (rewning hobbyist each year is out of question, the computerP > should be installed as an appliance). So it woudl seem that Linux would be the > answer. Comments on that ?   No.     H > Any comments on the type of interfaces between sensors, relays and the > computer ?  M At my place of business, we use a combination of DECservers, relays, and code J that allow us to detect events such as power failure, generator startup & L shutdown, fire alarm pulls, etc.  I can not give you the code, however I canN describe the setup in more detail if you like.  This is akin to the use of theM Duckware(?) that was recently posted.  However one DECserver port can monitor 7 up to 32 devices, so a 8-port will monitor 256 devices.     K Starting slow is a good idea, however I would suggest that you review other N home security systems, home monitor systems, etc. for ideas.  Ask how they areM setup, what is required.  I would assume that once you have a solid fondation H of wiring, you will be able to slowly build into a home security/monitorN system.  Remote access will always be a possibility - why you would want a VMS	 solution!    John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 07:15:58 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) . Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage0 Message-ID: <b97nfe$55d$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  T In article <3EB71969.5D6D5D@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >So, here is the dream : [...] N >But this has gotten me to think about what sort of computer could be used and( >what sort of interfaces should it have. > O >USB ? Serial ? (are there ethernet data collection, as well as ethernet driven 
 >relays etc ?   O Such things do exist. But they are too expensive. I would go with serial lines. L They are rock solid, can be 25m in length or even longer (this is beyond the specs but does work anyway).  M >If going for serial ports, would that essentially limit it to some 8086 with L >enough serial cards/ports ? Right ? (and old vax is out of question becauseE >renewing hobbyist licences is not something to be done for a house).   " What about an old terminal server?  K >While it would be cool to use VMS for this, it would cost way too much for K >real licenses (rewning hobbyist each year is out of question, the computer O >should be installed as an appliance). So it woudl seem that Linux would be the  >answer. Comments on that ?   N Buy a used AlphaStation 255 or the like. The license is bound to the system. IL don't think that you'll need OS-upgrades for your purposes. A friend of mineF controls the heating in his house via an old C64 and an analog/digital
 converter.  K While we are at it: you should think about some protection for the electric  power as well.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +------------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html -------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 04:59:20 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage) Message-ID: <3EB77951.674A17D8@istop.com>    Christoph Gartmann wrote: M > While we are at it: you should think about some protection for the electric  > power as well.  M Well, there is a limit to the usefulness. Without any power in the house, the H UPS computer wouldn't be able to do much since there would be nothing toM control in the house.  Perhaps a small enough UPS to just get the computer to K send a TAP message to a phone advising of power outage. But if you're 150km ( away, you wouldn't do anything about it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:51:33 -0500  From: brandon@dalsemi.com . Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage1 Message-ID: <03050609513310@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   N Power source.  UPS would sustain the computer but not the control systems - asL stated in earlier threads.  You may consider monitor only - if your computerI controls things that have no power, then you may have some real problems.   @ VMS Cluster?  Might be an option.  Or at least failover servers.  J Then for cameras you will need to write device drivers if you use VMS - meN thinks as I do not know of any out there.  Otherwise, a Win/client will do the job.  L My company sells some products that may give you some ideas about things you' could do:  (THIS IS NOT A SALES PITCH!)   $   http://www.maxim-ic.com/1-Wire.cfm*   http://www.maxim-ic.com/TINIplatform.cfm   Other products and vendors: 1   The Duckware was mis-quoted, it is Weather Duck ,   http://www.weatherduck.us/Store_Frames.htm  	   X10.COM    http://www.x10.com/    John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:30:58 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottageH Message-ID: <C9Mta.98930$M81.95518@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message ! news:3EB71969.5D6D5D@istop.com... F > OK, this has been brewing in my head for some time, and this or next year, I E > may have some opportunity. At the family cottage we are considering  getting C > foundations done on the old part which would eventually allow its  use during winter. > @ > The past winter has been particularly brutal, with many of the	 permanent F > residents of the areas having burst pipes, frozen sceptic tanks. The pastB > weekend, about a month late, we turned the water back on only to	 find that D > some pipes in the unfinished cellar were still frozen (portion are next to  > impossible to drain).  >  > So, here is the dream :  > E > Some computer in the finished basement has various thermocouples at 	 strategic ? > points along the pipe between the pump and the lake. Electric  heating element E > all along the underground pipe to the lake. And temperature sensors  in theA > cottage. Computer has a modem that dials (or is dialed into) to  provide status= > of the cottage, and also allows one to remotely turn up the  temperature up aA > few hours prior to us going there during winter, otherwise, the 
 cottage would E > be in lights out mode with just enough to keep pipes from freezing.  Talking - > about about 8 months "light-out" operation.  > B > So the computer would essentially act as a 7/24 monitor all year
 long and take F > whatever action is needed to keep house in good shape while allowing remote monitoring/management.  > D > And while we are at it, have some small digital camera which would allow us to F > remotely see what is going on at the cottage during winter. (ok, not needed,  > but would be way cool !) > B > While in the past, this would have seemed to be science fiction, this is 4 > becoming more and more an interesting possibility. > C > Now, obviously, this wouldn't be implemented all at once, but the 	 one thing A > that would have to be done is embed thermocouples +  heater and  wiring into F > the pipe between cottage and lake while we have a backhoe on site to dig @ > foundations. (pipes should be at least 1 metre below ground to escape most of
 > the frost).  > F > But this has gotten me to think about what sort of computer could be used and) > what sort of interfaces should it have.  > @ > USB ? Serial ? (are there ethernet data collection, as well as ethernet driven  > relays etc ? > D > If going for serial ports, would that essentially limit it to some	 8086 with E > enough serial cards/ports ? Right ? (and old vax is out of question  because F > renewing hobbyist licences is not something to be done for a house). > C > While it would be cool to use VMS for this, it would cost way too  much forC > real licenses (rewning hobbyist each year is out of question, the  computerC > should be installed as an appliance). So it woudl seem that Linux  would be the > answer. Comments on that ? > D > Any comments on the type of interfaces between sensors, relays and the  > computer ? > A > Since many here are involved in process control, I figured this 	 newsgroup 8 > could provide some insight on such a (dream) project ?    @ Why not consider a combination of controls from Honeywell,  (andA others) to control the heating system. These can be programmed to F operate various heating systems and be integrated with a burglar alarmB system (DSC most notably). There are various TAM (telephone accessB modules - ie. modems) which can be added to provide bi-directionalE capabilities for both notification (low temperature alarms, equipment D not functioning alarms, etc.. and remote management). Some equipment! even is IP accessible these days.   F Also check out LONworks (google it - that's right - with a letter "O")? as possible control system. It's a HVAC standard spec that many D manufacturers have built control systems to adhere to. Things can be. mixed-matched to heavily customize operation..  @ Then there's X.10, and other similar things. There are also many- standalone IP web cameras for monitoring too.   D The biggest challenge in all this is that you will always be wantingD to rewrite the software and add more functionality, and you can't do that with most of the above.  = Better you should buy something that works, may be extensible D (LONworks), something you can get local service on when a part failsD at 3am on a snowy night, and focus your efforts on writing code that pays your bills.      	 My $0.02.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:38:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> . Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottageH Message-ID: <kgMta.98934$M81.88139@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   see also   alt.home.automation   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:23:52 +0200 , From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>. Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage, Message-ID: <pf289b.7nf.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   JF Mezei wrote:  > ... O > But this has gotten me to think about what sort of computer could be used and ) > what sort of interfaces should it have.  > P > USB ? Serial ? (are there ethernet data collection, as well as ethernet driven > relays etc ? >  > ... H > Any comments on the type of interfaces between sensors, relays and the > computer ?  : I know of some ethernet devices from a german company, seeL <URL:http://www.interfaces.de/e-50www-10-inus-000.php3?e-wwwww-ww-hpus-000>.@ They seem not to be too expensive. We're using their ethernet to? serial devices from VMS as a kind of single port (or four port) A terminal servers, and they are really stable and reliable. But we ? never used their I/O devices. It's just a pointer, you may find  others, too.   Albrecht Schloer    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:32:25 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG. Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage0 Message-ID: <00A1F72A.1E48B5D9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <3EB71969.5D6D5D@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:M >OK, this has been brewing in my head for some time, and this or next year, I L >may have some opportunity. At the family cottage we are considering gettingU >foundations done on the old part which would eventually allow its use during winter.  > I >The past winter has been particularly brutal, with many of the permanent J >residents of the areas having burst pipes, frozen sceptic tanks. The pastK >weekend, about a month late, we turned the water back on only to find that K >some pipes in the unfinished cellar were still frozen (portion are next to  >impossible to drain). >  >So, here is the dream :  >{... dream sequence excised...}  H I already do much of what you've mentioned and more.  It started when I G purchased my first APC UPS with an APC environment monitoring card -- I F can monitor temperature, humidity and a series of contacts.  I have myH office setup in the basement and so is the laundry.  One day a sock fellG into the basin and clogged the drain.  The washing machine was pumping  G out and caused a rather nasty little wet mess in the basement.  Fortun- G ately I was working at the time and was able to stop the machine before F it caused any real damage.  This episode caused me great concern.  NowG I use the APC contacts connected to various sensors to cause preventive G events to be triggered.  For example, a water sensor in the laundry, if F it senses water, causes the Alpha to sound an alarm (a DECtalk announ-F ces the condition until silenced) and it turns off the water (electricF valves are available at plumbing supplies) in the laundry area.  WaterG sensed elsewhere in the basement (another sensor located near where the G crux of all the house plumbing is concentrated) will turn off a similar H valve now located on supply from the main.  FYI, a recent "Nuts & Volts"E magazine article described a circuit project to handle water flow.  I H may incorporate it to measure water flow as another preventative check.   F For remote sensing, I have two of the "ducks" mentioned here in c.o.v.G a few weeks/months back.  These are located in the house near the front F and rear egress points to the house.  These two monitor light, temper-G ature, humidity and opening/closing of the doors via magnetic switches.   F I can control various electrical devices in the house and in my officeE via several APC MasterSwitches which are SNMP controlled power units. E These switches are responsible for powering on the electrical valves, D for example, if there is water detected.  Unfortunately, they cannot5 handle enough current to power of a clothes washer.     C When/If there is a power outage, the Alpha started taking action to D turn-off certain bits of equipment such that UPS battery life can beF prolonged.  Typically, the one UPS will have everything but the routerD and the one DEChub powered off (four Infoserver towers).  The other E UPS will have everything but my Alpha powered down.  The UPS with the F Alpha has extra batteries and under the reduced load can run for about	 6+ hours.   F What's nice is that I can monitor and/or control any of this from out-F side my home.  On a recent trip to England, I was able to drop into anG internet cafe and check on things at home.  Next item(s) on my purchase F list is an internet camera monitoring.  I've checked out several but I= have yet to find one that works well under IR illumination.     9 Anyway, hope this provide you with some food for thought.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:16:20 GMT + From: "David Pikcilingis" <dcpik@attbi.com> . Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage/ Message-ID: <oINta.783414$S_4.807401@rwcrnsc53>   K I hate to suggest it but it sounds like an X-10 application.  I bought some L of their gear for an application that never implemented so had some leftoverJ parts to play with.  The camera would give you the bonus of seeing what isK going on (if I remember correctly it will save stills and has the option of H emailing them to you) and the switches can be plugged into the householdI current and will turn heating wires on as needed.  There is a module that L plugs into the serial port and controls the whole setup.  It would allow youK to call into the system and fire things up if you were planning to be there K for the weekend.  It is not the world's highest end system but it does work J and as long as you are not on the same channel as your neighbor all should be well.  I The downside is that you will be funding the possibility that we will all  have to see more POP-UPS!    David Pikcilingis  Boston Business Computing  EDT and BACKUP for UNIX 
 www.bosbc.com   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A1F72A.1E48B5D9@SendSpamHere.ORG...2 > In article <3EB71969.5D6D5D@istop.com>, JF Mezei# <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: G > >OK, this has been brewing in my head for some time, and this or next  year, I F > >may have some opportunity. At the family cottage we are considering getting H > >foundations done on the old part which would eventually allow its use during winter. > > K > >The past winter has been particularly brutal, with many of the permanent L > >residents of the areas having burst pipes, frozen sceptic tanks. The pastH > >weekend, about a month late, we turned the water back on only to find thatJ > >some pipes in the unfinished cellar were still frozen (portion are next to > >impossible to drain). > >  > >So, here is the dream :" > >{... dream sequence excised...}   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:01:32 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> . Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage' Message-ID: <3EB7DC5C.32EC68BE@vcu.edu>   ? I had a electronics hobbist magagine that had a homebrew rs-232 H interfaced analog input bus, with up to 128 devices possible. it will beH slow in gathering data, but you'd not need it real fast...  actually, ifA you include the cost of fixing water damage, this *could* pay for E itself...  maybe have the 386 auto-boot on a timeer to save power, no H monitor on to save battery, solar power...  we could go hog-wild on this one!!!!    Jim    JF Mezei wrote:  > N > OK, this has been brewing in my head for some time, and this or next year, IM > may have some opportunity. At the family cottage we are considering getting V > foundations done on the old part which would eventually allow its use during winter. > J > The past winter has been particularly brutal, with many of the permanentK > residents of the areas having burst pipes, frozen sceptic tanks. The past L > weekend, about a month late, we turned the water back on only to find thatL > some pipes in the unfinished cellar were still frozen (portion are next to > impossible to drain).  >  > So, here is the dream :  > O > Some computer in the finished basement has various thermocouples at strategic O > points along the pipe between the pump and the lake. Electric heating element L > all along the underground pipe to the lake. And temperature sensors in theP > cottage. Computer has a modem that dials (or is dialed into) to provide statusN > of the cottage, and also allows one to remotely turn up the temperature up aO > few hours prior to us going there during winter, otherwise, the cottage would M > be in lights out mode with just enough to keep pipes from freezing. Talking - > about about 8 months "light-out" operation.  > P > So the computer would essentially act as a 7/24 monitor all year long and taked > whatever action is needed to keep house in good shape while allowing remote monitoring/management. > P > And while we are at it, have some small digital camera which would allow us toN > remotely see what is going on at the cottage during winter. (ok, not needed, > but would be way cool !) > J > While in the past, this would have seemed to be science fiction, this is4 > becoming more and more an interesting possibility. > M > Now, obviously, this wouldn't be implemented all at once, but the one thing M > that would have to be done is embed thermocouples +  heater and wiring into J > the pipe between cottage and lake while we have a backhoe on site to digO > foundations. (pipes should be at least 1 metre below ground to escape most of 
 > the frost).  > O > But this has gotten me to think about what sort of computer could be used and ) > what sort of interfaces should it have.  > P > USB ? Serial ? (are there ethernet data collection, as well as ethernet driven > relays etc ? > N > If going for serial ports, would that essentially limit it to some 8086 withM > enough serial cards/ports ? Right ? (and old vax is out of question because F > renewing hobbyist licences is not something to be done for a house). > L > While it would be cool to use VMS for this, it would cost way too much forL > real licenses (rewning hobbyist each year is out of question, the computerP > should be installed as an appliance). So it woudl seem that Linux would be the > answer. Comments on that ? > H > Any comments on the type of interfaces between sensors, relays and the > computer ? > K > Since many here are involved in process control, I figured this newsgroup 8 > could provide some insight on such a (dream) project ?   --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 08:19:55 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 1 Subject: Re: Case sensitive passwords in 7.2-6 C1 3 Message-ID: <y6wEfawY7bUe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <4b6ec350.0305051120.283218b9@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes: > H > I used to use Digital's <Compose Character> key for part of my OpenVMS > password in the 1980s ...   C    The last time I tired (VMS 6 or so), I could not use  and foundh    documentation saying so.e   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 07:04:12 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)a- Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question"= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0305060604.58a94452@posting.google.com>e  @ On 2 May 2003 16:05:57 -0700, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) wrote:o >My experimentation suggests. >that I can accomplish this by giving SYSA and/ >SYSB 2 votes each and giving SYSC 1 vote. Thisa. >puts EXPECTED_VOTES at 5 and QUORUM at 3 ( so- >the cluster can achieve quorum with any 2 of - >the 3 nodes. Is this guaranteed to work this # >way or have I just been lucky ( ie / >when one gets into a "Node voluntarily leaving - >the cluster" situation will it always be thec/ >node with the lesser votes that will leave? ).d   Your solution is correct.   E When selecting the optimal subset of nodes to survive after a loss ofg# connectivity, VMS uses these rules:n@ 1) If one subset has a higher number of votes, pick that subset.E 2) If two subsets are equal in votes, pick the subset with the largert number of nodes.C 3) If votes and node counts are equal, break the tie arbitrarily byVC picking a subset based on comparing SCSSYSTEMID values of the nodes 9 (using a string comparison operation on the 48-bit DECnet D MAC-address-style representation of the SCS System ID, so it's not a simple numeric comparison).t   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 07:07:00 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)l- Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation questiono= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0305060607.313c2ad8@posting.google.com>d  a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<87he8ae8co.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...cD > I think your cluster will hang, no matter what the vote set up is.G > You *MUST* have all systems visable over a single interface, and whenl- > the switch goes, that will not be the case.o  E No.  The Rule of Connectivity simply says all cluster members must bey; able to talk to all other cluster members directly (where an? transparent LAN bridge also counts as "directly").  It does NOTRC require that they all be on a single interconnect (although that isi) obviously one easy way to meet the Rule).    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 07:09:36 -0700e1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) - Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation questions= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0305060609.4a2fa1b4@posting.google.com>u  N rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote in message news:<3eb5b1fc.359280908@news>...G > My take on this is that you could give each Node 1 Vote, Expected = 32" > and Quorum would therefore be 2. > C > If the Switch Link to SYSA goes down, SYSB can still see SYSA and / > SYSC. I believe SYSC can "see" SYSA via SYSB.   E No.  A cluster node cannot see another node "through" another cluster F node; it must be able to talk with the node directly itself.  There is no such thing as SCS routing.-   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:43:31 +0100 (MET)09 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> - Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question-; Message-ID: <01KVKTCLINBUAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com><  G > When selecting the optimal subset of nodes to survive after a loss of % > connectivity, VMS uses these rules:e > B > 1) If one subset has a higher number of votes, pick that subset. > G > 2) If two subsets are equal in votes, pick the subset with the largera > number of nodes.  ' Interesting.  Where is this documented?m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:33:20 +0100m( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>- Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation questionr) Message-ID: <3EB7C7B0.F2837D12@127.0.0.1>t   Keith Parris wrote:  >   G > When selecting the optimal subset of nodes to survive after a loss of % > connectivity, VMS uses these rules: B > 1) If one subset has a higher number of votes, pick that subset.G > 2) If two subsets are equal in votes, pick the subset with the larger  > number of nodes.E > 3) If votes and node counts are equal, break the tie arbitrarily bytE > picking a subset based on comparing SCSSYSTEMID values of the nodes ; > (using a string comparison operation on the 48-bit DECnetaF > MAC-address-style representation of the SCS System ID, so it's not a > simple numeric comparison).0  A Ah, now there's a thing. [3] I asked this before and didn't get agH definitive answer and the VAXcluster principles didn't appear to contain8 the answer either (or I was looking in the wrong place).  D So, based on this, the transaction co-ordinator in a cluster (during! reconfiguration) is determined bya   a) SCSSYSTEMID b) race condition   A ? (I was led to believe it was b but experience leaned towards a)o  A "Figure of merit" comes into this as well according to VAXcluster D principles, which is based on software version, but all things being equal... -- -? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences0 nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:36:28 -0500g( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?/ Message-ID: <vbfi3lmmfrkrd5@corp.supernews.com>s  ( On 5/6/2003 9:00 AM, Mark Schafer wrote: >  > Mark Buda wrote: > 1 >> "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message 5 >> news:5ot3bvcs5drpipbsuvhipu5c1ne2rtbn5e@4ax.com...r >>E >> Once you join the DSPP program, you can contact them and ask about J >> getting a PAKGEN PAK.  You will need to register your producer text, soD >> that no one else can use your producer to use your products in an >> illicit manner. >>K >> I do not know if the non-company registrant is allowed to get PAKGEN PAK ; >> usage or not, but will ask the DSPP office and find out.o >> > E > I can answer that one.  The DSPP PAKGEN is part of the development  J > services benefits of DSPP.  Things like migration & porting assistance, F > access to systems in our centers, all come thru our team.  They are I > available to Company Members only.  Guest users and individual members fK > may use the DSPP portal for technical documentation and software that is t" > available to all via the portal. > 5 > For more information about DSPP, see the portal at eJ > http://www.hp.com/go/developer/    U.S. developers may call 800.249.3294 > 	 > Thanks,g >  > Mark >   D Are you saying that all PAKs are generated by HP?  Or, if you are a I Company Member, do you receive the PAKGEN software and can generate your d own?   Thanks.e Michaelo   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:53:25 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>v0 Subject: RE: creating licenses for my own demos?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMECCHCAA.tom@kednos.com>e  < If you are a member of DSPP (formerly CSA) you could receiveF a license for PAKGEN, which would allow you to generate your own paks.L I believe that it is now also on the freeware, and there was some discussion! of that on this list a while back      >-----Original Message-----r0 >From: Michael Rice [mailto:marice@whiteice.com]$ >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:36 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1 >Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?  >j >:) >On 5/6/2003 9:00 AM, Mark Schafer wrote:s >> >> Mark Buda wrote:2 >>2 >>> "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message6 >>> news:5ot3bvcs5drpipbsuvhipu5c1ne2rtbn5e@4ax.com... >>>rF >>> Once you join the DSPP program, you can contact them and ask aboutK >>> getting a PAKGEN PAK.  You will need to register your producer text, so E >>> that no one else can use your producer to use your products in ans >>> illicit manner.o >>>oL >>> I do not know if the non-company registrant is allowed to get PAKGEN PAK< >>> usage or not, but will ask the DSPP office and find out. >>>1 >>E >> I can answer that one.  The DSPP PAKGEN is part of the developmenteJ >> services benefits of DSPP.  Things like migration & porting assistance,F >> access to systems in our centers, all come thru our team.  They areI >> available to Company Members only.  Guest users and individual memberscK >> may use the DSPP portal for technical documentation and software that ish# >> available to all via the portal.e >>5 >> For more information about DSPP, see the portal at K >> http://www.hp.com/go/developer/    U.S. developers may call 800.249.3294n >>
 >> Thanks, >> >> Markn >> >tD >Are you saying that all PAKs are generated by HP?  Or, if you are aI >Company Member, do you receive the PAKGEN software and can generate yourn >own?a >w >Thanks. >Michael >u >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eA >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003a >n --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:00:55 GMTl( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?. Message-ID: <rePta.326$Hk.20@news.cpqcorp.net>   Mark Buda wrote:0 > "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message4 > news:5ot3bvcs5drpipbsuvhipu5c1ne2rtbn5e@4ax.com... > D > Once you join the DSPP program, you can contact them and ask aboutI > getting a PAKGEN PAK.  You will need to register your producer text, soeC > that no one else can use your producer to use your products in and > illicit manner.e > J > I do not know if the non-company registrant is allowed to get PAKGEN PAK: > usage or not, but will ask the DSPP office and find out. >   C I can answer that one.  The DSPP PAKGEN is part of the development  H services benefits of DSPP.  Things like migration & porting assistance, D access to systems in our centers, all come thru our team.  They are G available to Company Members only.  Guest users and individual members tI may use the DSPP portal for technical documentation and software that is d  available to all via the portal.  3 For more information about DSPP, see the portal at hH http://www.hp.com/go/developer/    U.S. developers may call 800.249.3294   Thanks,e   Mark   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 10:52:51 -0500(- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?3 Message-ID: <awNyA3DIXMrS@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  Z In article <vbfi3lmmfrkrd5@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com> writes:  F >                                                    Or, if you are a K > Company Member, do you receive the PAKGEN software and can generate your g > own?   You do, and you can.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 05:44:07 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)J Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305060444.5762c84e@posting.google.com>,  b Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3EB6CCAD.9080603@Free.fr>...N > Yes, you should. A VMS system without (real) DECnet, i.e. DECnet-IV, is not S > complete and cannot do networking with other DEC systems, unless you want to use  Q > IP only, which does not allow SET HOST, FAL, TASK=0, Network MBX communication t' > and so many other wonderful features.? >  > D. > President of the DILD:SNDo. > (DECnet-IV Is Like DEC: Should Never Die :-)  < sorry, but you can do all these wonderful commands on Decnet= Phase IV over IP ... it is on TCPware and has been for years!e It is true Phase IV over IP!   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 05:46:03 -0700e( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)J Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305060446.342ee6af@posting.google.com>   h "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:<b96lbt$fuvsa$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>... > 4 > IP over DECnet is a feature not found in phase IV. >  > Hans Vlems  < sorry, but you can do all these wonderful commands on Decnet= Phase IV over IP ... it is on TCPware and has been for years!  It is true Phase IV over IP!   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 08:17:14 -0500a; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) J Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?3 Message-ID: <IKoEJHQTROHf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3EB6CCAD.9080603@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:r > Jim Strehlow wrote:e > N > Yes, you should. A VMS system without (real) DECnet, i.e. DECnet-IV, is not ; > complete and cannot do networking with other DEC systems,o  E    That simply is not true.  Phase V can and does talk to DEC systemsl=    which only support Phase IV.  Phase V can be thought of ast=    Phase IV + ISO/OSI + DECnet over IP (somewhat simplified).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:32:45 -0500a From: brandon@dalsemi.comnJ Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?1 Message-ID: <03050609324557@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>l  L In the past, I have worked in a mixed DECnet Phase IV and OSI.  I prefer the	 Phase IV.s  ) If there is no need for OSI - then don't!n  K That said, I would limit my DECnet (and LAT) usage - if possible.  Not that L these products are a bad thing by any means.  I have converted all my LAT toK TCPIP connections.  I have limited DECnet to just admin use - very limited.   ? That way, if Phase IV is dropped then the impact will be small.w  ; This fits my strategy and my environment.  Your's may vary.t       John Brandon VMS Systems Administratort Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wku 972.371.4003 fxo   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 08:12:11 -0500g; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)aJ Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?3 Message-ID: <n9y0AIcbN2$g@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  l In article <4b6ec350.0305051030.33c82e31@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes: > < > Should we go through the pain to migrate to DECnet Phase V > or install DECnet Phase IV?   D It will take you time to learn Phase V, which your customer probablyC should not pay for, nor provide the testbed for your new knowledge.tD You should learn Phase V, as knowledge is a good thing.  Someday you( might have a customer who wants Phase V.  & > We prefer to stay on DECnet Phase IV: > unless forum members say we should not be using Phase IV4 > and there are real advantages to be using Phase V.  > The advantages are primarily in the size of the address space.C You also get to talk to other vendor's ISO/OSI networks, if you can B find one.  You may find running DECnet applications over IP easier@ with the help of Phase V components that were introduced in the  "DECnet-Plus" days.   7 > What version of DECnet are other forum members using?o   IV at work and V at home.e   > If we must migrate,oF >  - what .DAT files do we need to copy from their production Phase IV > computer?-G >  - what do I need to do in order to connect their Phase V computer tor > oura >    Phase IV computer?A  H A properly configured Phase V system will talk to a Phase IV system withH no extra work.  I think you have to do extra work, and really understandD Phase V, to set up a system that wouldn't talk to a Phase IV system.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 10:39:23 -0700u- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) J Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?= Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0305060939.31885618@posting.google.com>   @ We upgraded our servers a couple of years back and started usingD DECnet Phase V.  We did not notice issues until we hit a peak duringE our production.  It took a while to figure out what was the problem. w; It looked like ASTs just stopped being delivered within ourt application.  : We figured out that things worked if we did the following:  A MCR NCL SET NODE 0 SESSION CONTROL TRANSPORT PRECEDENCE {NSP,OSI}1  2 Basically, using the NSP stack instead of the OSI.   So, we sort of use Phase V.  :)n   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 08:00:32 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler):- Subject: Re: determine whether a file is open 3 Message-ID: <j5oBEwNfZL9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  h In article <b95va7$f4a$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes: > Hi,e > N > Could someone please tell me the resource name(s) and access mode for a File > lock?s  E    This is not documented.  If you use it it may break on no notice.  F    And it's not done in the manner you might expect.  But if you spend6    some time with $getlki you can reverse engineer it.  L    I believe you'll also find it in Bruce Ellis' "The Hitchhiker's Guide to 5    VMS", my copy of which seems not to be in my desk.f   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 03 08:50:38 PST  From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.como- Subject: Re: determine whether a file is openl( Message-ID: <lB7y9pDQZW5c@cpva.saic.com>  3 In article <j5oBEwNfZL9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>,a>  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:j > In article <b95va7$f4a$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes: >> Hi, >> lO >> Could someone please tell me the resource name(s) and access mode for a File. >> lock? > G >    This is not documented.  If you use it it may break on no notice. aH >    And it's not done in the manner you might expect.  But if you spend8 >    some time with $getlki you can reverse engineer it. > N >    I believe you'll also find it in Bruce Ellis' "The Hitchhiker's Guide to 7 >    VMS", my copy of which seems not to be in my desk.a  H According to the Hitchhiker's Guide the the format is a 4 byte prefix ofE the string "RMS$" followed by the 3 word file-id and then finally thehG volume label - in executive mode. For example, in SDA you might seed...e  A Process index: 000E   Name: AUDIT_SERVER   Extended PID: 2020008EeA ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
 Lock data:  P Lock id:  03000353            PID:    0001000E   Flags: VALBLK  CONVERT SYNCSTS P Par. id:  00000000            SUBLCKs:       2          SYSTEM  NODLCKW NODLCKB P LKB:      FFFFFFFF.7F672450   BLKAST: 8605B060          QUECVT                  P Priority:     0000                                                                $ Granted at    PW   00000000-FFFFFFFF  $ RSB:               FFFFFFFF.7F67A250P Resource:          01A608D2 24534D52  RMS$. .  Status: VALBLKR VALBLKW         P  Length   26       4D565058 41020000  ...AXPVM                                  P  Exec. mode        00202020 53595353  SSYS   .                                  2  System            00000000 00000000  ........      J for the file with FID (2258,422,0) or hex (x8D2,x1A6,0) on DISK$AXPVMSSYS.     $ show log disk$axpvmssys65    "DISK$AXPVMSSYS" = "$4$DKC600:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)v $ show log sys$sysdevice4    "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "$4$DKC600:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  1 $ dire/file_id sys$manager:security.audit$journall   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]s   SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL;18l!                      (2258,422,0)    -- o - Jimi   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 08:02:53 -0500d; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)? Subject: Re: Digital logo 3 Message-ID: <0jZpWXGsgE1g@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l  Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message news:<howard-B6B6CA.12224304052003@enews.newsguy.com>... >  > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+e > | d | i | g | i | t | a | l |i > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+, >  > $ > ...or did you mean something else?     From an old office sign:  "    The |i|d|i|g|a|t|l| difference.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 08:21:33 -0500e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a< Subject: Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 20033 Message-ID: <i4rA7YFSuiyG@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  q In article <cf15391e.0305051206.286ed1f6@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:L  ; > A recent Gartner report says Sun has poor marketing, pooriE > communication, and an inconsistent strategy for its point products, = > and must prove how it will be relevant in the coming years.a  D    Since it's Gartern speaking, Andrew need not fear for his future.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 06:02:27 GMTo/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>i Subject: Re: Help with Vestw5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-sMedmUkmzEMo@localhost>i  D On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:17:56 UTC, pat.szuch@swagelok.com (PatrickS)  wrote:   <snip>  r > David, > F > Thanks for your reply.  But this doesn't really answer my question. B > As you can see from the output of my vest/dependency command, itG > appears that Vest is looking for native executables for the RTL files-H > in sys$common:[syslib].  Thus, I am getting "file not found" errors onB > vested images, such as VAXCRTL_D56_TV, MTHRTL_D53_TV, etc...  MyF > system logical table on Alpha looks like yours.  I have logicals forD > the *_TV images.  I'm just not sure why I'm getting the fnf errorsE > when running Vest/Dependency against an executable that calls thosei > images...: > F > On a related note, when I attempt to actually convert the executableF > in question via Vest, it is translating with warnings.  The LIS file > contains the following:  > ! > Spvm02> type csgscntl_21_tv.lisrC > VEST V1.2-0 built at May 27 2002 12:49:34 starting at Apr 30 2003  > 09:01:24 withl > command line:v > VEST CSGSCNTL_211 >  Image "CSGSCNTL", "01", 6-JUN-1990 15:45:25.17s> > %VEST-W-RWTRANSDEF, Code in writeable image section is being > translated by defaua" > lt -- use /INTERPRET to override$ >         At:    00149321 (00149321)$ >         Input: CMPB   0008AA50,#6E >   > ! Message summary by category: > !h$ > ! 1 messages in STANDARD category:C > !     1  WARNING  RWTRANSDEF - Code in writeable image section isr > being translat- > ed by default -- use /INTERPRET to override  > !j( > ! 22 messages in PERFORMANCE category:D > !     3     INFO  VAXDFLOAT - VAX D_floating opcode !AZ -- will be > emulated (D562' > ) or implemented via G_floating (D53)OD > !    18     INFO  VAXHFLOAT - VAX H_floating opcode !AZ -- will be
 > emulatedE > !     1     INFO    STKUNAL - Stack pointer is not longword aligned< > after changi1 > ng by !SL bytes -- accessing stack will be slowy > ! , > ! 33 messages in SOURCE_ANALYSIS category:G > !     1     INFO  STKMISMATCH - Stack pointer adjustments don't match  > on all inc( > oming paths -- may indicate source bug< > !    26     INFO  NONSTDCALLU - Non-standard call uses !AZ< > !     1     INFO  NONSTDCALLS - Non-standard call sets !AZC > !     3     INFO    READCF0 - Routine reads the condition handlere > address from i > ts call framehH > !     1     INFO    READCF3 - Routine reads the saved FP from its call > frame D > !     1     INFO    READCF4 - Routine reads the return PC from its > call frame > ! , > ! 14 messages in SYNCHRONIZATION category:H > !     2     INFO     FLAGMP - Image calls system service !AZ which may
 > indicate > multiprocessor operationH > !     1     INFO  FLAGASYNC - Image calls system service !AZ which may > perform ay > synchronous memory accesstH > !    11     INFO     FLAGIO - Image calls system service !AZ which may > perform ae > synchronous I/Os > !i$ > ! 14 messages in VERBOSE category:0 > !    10     INFO    READING - Reading file !AZ6 > !     1     INFO      NOHIF - HIF file !AZ not found8 > !     1     INFO      PASS1 - Starting analysis pass 18 > !     1     INFO      PASS2 - Starting analysis pass 2H > !     1     INFO   ENDPASS2 - Ending analysis pass 2 -- beginning code > generatioe > n and output > Si >  > 7 > When I run the executable, I get an access violation.k > = > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualt > address=000000007ADF( > BF13, PC=FFFFFFFF808D4FC4, PS=0000001B > 4 >   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.3 >     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005o3 >                         Name   = 000000000000000C 3 >                                  0000000000000000r3 >                                  000000007ADFBF13r3 >                                  FFFFFFFF808D4FC4t3 >                                  000000000000001Be >  >     Register dump:; >     R0  = 0000000000005F7F  R1  = 000000007ADFBF0C  R2  =e > 0000000000000000; >     R3  = 0000000000000000  R4  = 000000007ADF6F20  R5  =  > 0000000000000020; >     R6  = 000000007ADFBF13  R7  = 0000000000000000  R8  =n > 0000000000000001; >     R9  = 0000000000000001  R10 = 000000000014E328  R11 =l > 0000000000146487; >     R12 = 000000007ADF5F10  R13 = 000000007B5733D8  R14 =S > 000000007ADF5EE8; >     R15 = 00000000005B2000  R16 = 0000000000005F80  R17 =e > 0000000000000000; >     R18 = 0000000000000000  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 =  > 0000000000000004; >     R21 = 0000000000008000  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 =s > 000000000000001C; >     R24 = 000000007ADF6F20  R25 = 0000000000000020  R26 =u > 0000000000000000; >     R27 = 0000000000000001  R28 = 0000000000000000  R29 =  > 000000007ADF5D90; >     SP  = 000000007ADF5D70  PC  = FFFFFFFF808D4FC4  PS  =o > 300000000000001BD > %TIE-I-HIFENTRIESWRITT, $1$DGA225:[OPSUSERS.][PSZUCH]CSGSCNTL.HIF; > created.  The  >  >  > Any ideas? > 	 > Thanks!c > Patrick Szuch  > DBA, Swagelok Company  > pat.szuch@swagelok.com  C Many years ago, before we finished the conversion from Macro-32 to gD Fortran, I used to use VEST to create an Alpha image of beloved VAX A data-analysis program. It was not particularly clean in terms of n accurate PSECT descriptions.  A After each conversion I would run our test suit. Two tests would nD provoke crashes of the type shown above. If I then re-VESTED, using F the HIF (feedback file) as an input to the VEST process,  I could run A the test suite again without crashes. The .HIF acts as a sort of kC profiler that learns the true behaviour of the code and allows the  C translator to make more educated guesses when it finds things like jB code in writeable sections, which one would normally expect to be  data, of course.  D Unfortunately, I've forgotten the command line qualifiers, I used a F .COM file, however, I'm sure HELP or the migration manual explains it.   -- s Cheers - Dave.  C PS Sorry for delay - was away umpiring cricket matches in Slovenia s
 over the w/e.I   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:34:42 -0400e( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>E Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill ToddT, Message-ID: <3EB7D612.2000709@tsoft-inc.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  U > In article <b96ebd$hru$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:n >  > P >>Today I read an article in by Terry Shannon in the april issue of HP World (I S >>think), where he explains how this whole thing happened. He writes that the move wP >>came from the Alpha engineers, who saw big problems occuring in the design of S >>the EV8. He claims that these enigineers went to Intel to have very confidential nM >>talks about the developments with Intel and the Alpha development. And the aP >>result from those discussions was that it would be better to move to Itanium, P >>because around 2005 the Itanium would be faster then the Alpha. We have heard E >>this story before, but he gives many more details then I give here.o >>S >>Maybe this is true, I don't know. If it is true, then it shows how poorly Compaq n> >>(and later HP) explained to the customers what was going on. >> > F > I don't see how.  The idea that Alpha would no longer have a lead byH > the time EV8 came out was well publicized at the time Compaq said they > would switch to Itanium. > ; > Other explanations were available from c.o.v., of course.     O I don't know if it's true, but I've heard in the past that during the reign of sL the Soviet Union, it was taught that it was a Russian that first flew.  The 6 Wright Brothers must have been some capitolistic myth.  K I have to wonder if HP World will admit to existance of the previous white AM paper(s) that discussed how Alpha was superior to IA-64?  These seem to have  8 disappeared.  Are we to believe that they never existed?  N At the time, Compaq was able to trot out some systems people, those who built K systems using the Alpha CPUs.  But I don't remember any of the chip people n changing their stories.w  N So Ok, in these days of 'revisionist history' Terry can trot out the official P company line, and others can dismiss those on c.o.v that have an attention span N longer than the time it takes to listen to revised history, but I have to ask O what story will be concocted when in 2005 IA-64 still hasn't caught up to EV7? t7 Maybe they'll claim that EV8 was to be slower than EV7.    Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:33:26 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>eF Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!/ Message-ID: <qtRta.342$eB.153@news.cpqcorp.net>e  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:0Ch1xuv4dD0b@eisner.encompasserve.org... 2 > In article <3eaeeb8b.344824410@news.eircom.net>,5 wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes:CI > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:10:50 -0400, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>t
 > > wrote: > >l< > >>As to it not being the same architecture, there are manyL > >>changes between the Merced, McKinley, Madison, Montecito etc in the sameK > >>manner as there are many architecture differences between EV4, EV5, EV6 H > >>and EV7 Alpha architectures. I only stated that the IPF-2 (Mckinley)C > >>would be different than the initial Merced and it certainly is.r > >oJ > > Has the architecture changed? I thought Itanium 2 implemented the sameH > > architecture as Itanium 1, just with a different design, but I could
 > > be wrong.u >oG > It is different enough in the bootstrap area that VMS Development hasnG > posted here saying they are relying on a kludge with a floppy to bootaG > Itanium 1 because the bootstrap they have designed for Itanium 2 wille > not work with Itanium 1. >,  H No longer true.  We had been doing many "temporary" things to get going.J These are now all going away as we have developed our understanding of theF FW and HW.  Many of the issues with the Itanium 1 were more about it'sI generic PC roots.  As of this writing, a single disk, and a single set ofp, routines boot the i2000, rx2600, and zx2000.  G We will very likely break the Itanium 1 support at some point, since wesG don't plan on shipping on any Itanium 1 systems.  Probably due to newernJ compiler code generation and not wanting to ship code compiled for Itanium 1.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 11:43:43 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)xF Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!3 Message-ID: <dn+2QdCRHIqv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <qtRta.342$eB.153@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:   J > No longer true.  We had been doing many "temporary" things to get going.L > These are now all going away as we have developed our understanding of theH > FW and HW.  Many of the issues with the Itanium 1 were more about it'sK > generic PC roots.  As of this writing, a single disk, and a single set of . > routines boot the i2000, rx2600, and zx2000. > I > We will very likely break the Itanium 1 support at some point, since we"I > don't plan on shipping on any Itanium 1 systems.  Probably due to newer0L > compiler code generation and not wanting to ship code compiled for Itanium > 1.  B That brings up an interesting difference between Alpha and ItaniumB as I understand it.  Itanium is more RISC-like if you believe thatB RISC means "Relegate Important Stuff to Compilers".  While EV7 had@ out of order execution that was supposed to not require compilerA knowledge, I have read that Itanium feature additions depend morei on compiler knowledge.  E So it might be that shipping a version compiled for the older version-$ hurts more on Itanium than on Alpha.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:20:08 GMTu# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6H Message-ID: <YLNta.98957$M81.96435@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Today's the day.  D If I'm able to spare the time to listen to the webcast, I'm going to? keep score of just how many times each o/s is mentioned and theXB emphasis each is given (ie. some mentions may just be 'throw-away'3 mentions as in 'Oh, there's that VMS thing we own'.t      . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:LbSra.44281$w7k.26760@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...C > What do you think the odds they don't mention VMS in a meaningfulv way,# > ie. at least as evident as HP-UX?n >l > I'm betting 3:1 against. >d" > -------------------------------- >iF > http://www.viewinfo.net/hpwebcastmay6/?mtxs=home-ent&mtxb=B2&mtxl=L1 >,@ > Please join Carly Fiorina, Shane Robison, Peter Blackmore, AnnB > Livermore and other HP executives as they unveil HP's enterpriseF > strategy to drive customer value in today's challenging environment. >p > Tuesday, May 6, 2003 > 9 a.m. - 11 a.m. PDT >r >  >p   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:32:29 GMTo4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6? Message-ID: <xsRta.227937$Si4.183505@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>r  n In article <YLNta.98957$M81.96435@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >Today's the day.i >rE >If I'm able to spare the time to listen to the webcast, I'm going to.@ >keep score of just how many times each o/s is mentioned and theC >emphasis each is given (ie. some mentions may just be 'throw-away'e4 >mentions as in 'Oh, there's that VMS thing we own'. <snip>  K I can't seem to view the webcast, even though I registered, and "tested" mybJ ability to view the webcast by viewing the sample "Cooltown" advertisement" using WinMP on Win2K Professional.  0 Is anyone else having problems with the webcast?  # >> --------------------------------l >>G >> http://www.viewinfo.net/hpwebcastmay6/?mtxs=home-ent&mtxb=B2&mtxl=L1  >>A >> Please join Carly Fiorina, Shane Robison, Peter Blackmore, AnnaC >> Livermore and other HP executives as they unveil HP's enterprisecG >> strategy to drive customer value in today's challenging environment.o >> >> Tuesday, May 6, 20033 >> 9 a.m. - 11 a.m. PDT.    A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"s   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:37:07 +0000 (UTC)8 From: hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins)P Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly. Message-ID: <b98dq3$19k4$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>  8 In article <354ebv8bn61r2lkemvt1s5t0ogq4432a7n@4ax.com>,/ David Powell  <ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk> wrote:c1 >In article <b95rb7$127c$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>,  -8 > hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins)  in >alt.folklore.computers wrote:    - >>>> That depends entirely on your viewpoint.   $ >>>Ok, from an australian viewpoint:G >>>http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/gazm01?placename=ottawa&placetype=0&state=0 O >>>Reveals that there is only a "Ottawa Creek" in Australia. And since Perth isrQ >>>not far from the exact opposite on the earth (in french: antipode) from Ottawa-H >>>Ontario, I'd say that there is very little argument to say that PerthH >>>Australia is close to Ottawa Ontario, unless you are a space alien 20 >>>gazillion light years away.  E >>Even if you're a Venetian (we all know that there are no Martians).d  4 >I wouldn't want to shift a tape drive on a gondola.  $ >Was that why the Martians died out?  A Close.  They actually dried out: with no water in the canals, theq< gondolas left them stranded.  Unlike the other planet, whichH successfully relocated its citizens to an italian city, they had the ill  fortune to choose Atlantis . . .   hawk -- SK Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics    /"\   ASCII ribbon campaignbG dochawk@psu.edu  Smeal 178  (814) 375-4700      \ /   against HTML mailtD These opinions will not be those of              X    and postings. 6 Penn State until it pays my retainer.           / \      ------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 06 May 03 13:10:15 GMTe From: jmfbahciv@aol.comnP Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly+ Message-ID: <b98j13$qnn$3@bob.news.rcn.net>   . In article <b98dq3$19k4$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>,<    hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote:9 >In article <354ebv8bn61r2lkemvt1s5t0ogq4432a7n@4ax.com>,s0 >David Powell  <ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk> wrote:2 >>In article <b95rb7$127c$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>,  9 >> hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins)  ine >>alt.folklore.computers wrote:- >- >-. >>>>> That depends entirely on your viewpoint. >g% >>>>Ok, from an australian viewpoint:oH >>>>http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/gazm01?placename=ottawa&placetype=0&state=0H >>>>Reveals that there is only a "Ottawa Creek" in Australia. And since  Perth isL >>>>not far from the exact opposite on the earth (in french: antipode) from  OttawaI >>>>Ontario, I'd say that there is very little argument to say that PerthaI >>>>Australia is close to Ottawa Ontario, unless you are a space alien 20n >>>>gazillion light years away.t >oF >>>Even if you're a Venetian (we all know that there are no Martians). >i5 >>I wouldn't want to shift a tape drive on a gondola.  >i% >>Was that why the Martians died out?> >aB >Close.  They actually dried out: with no water in the canals, the= >gondolas left them stranded.  Unlike the other planet, whichtI >successfully relocated its citizens to an italian city, they had the ille! >fortune to choose Atlantis . . .e  * But how do you explain the Mars candy bar?   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:25:15 +0100 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyaA Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! . Message-ID: <3EB7C5CB.9080301@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:. > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3EAF9A38.1010100@nospamn.sun.com>...r > C >>Incedentally the best HP SPECWEB_SSL benchmark result on a rx2600h* >>with 2 x 1 GHz 3 MB cache CPU's is 1230. >>< >>The best Sun V210/V240 number with 2 x 1 GHz CPU's is 833. >>; >>The list price of the rx2600 config used for the test was-) >>according to your website ~46K dollars.s >>1 >>A Sun V240 with 8 GB and a crypto 2x 1GHz CPU'su0 >>internal disks 4 GB NICS costs 8K dollars. The! >>V210 would be 500 dollars less.. >>0 >>So at 16K for two we end up with a faster more3 >>resiliant solution and still have 30K left in thee >>pot. >>/ >>It doesn't take a genius to work out that you , >>won't be selling many at that price as web, >>servers and even at half the price you are >>still a long way adrift. >>	 >>Regardso >>Andrew Harrison  >  > < > now Andrew, don't go quoting spec and cert figures, as you$ > have stated, they mean nothing ... > : > as for that extra $30,000 ... that will be taken care of8 > by all the overtime to patch and reboot ... and that's > just for one year, so  > 8 > $30000 x 4 yrs left to patch/reboot, and your solution > is $120000 on the wrong side!n  7 Now now Bob the HP boxes in question were running HP-UX>6 not OpenVMS so your point or at least the one you were: attempting to  make with respect to OpenVMS is irrelevant.  1 Bit of a scratched record on your part isn't it !1   Regardsc Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 08:56:25 -0700o* From: ashoffman@comcast.net (Alan Hoffman)$ Subject: Java "Unknown host" problem= Message-ID: <838d7cb0.0305060756.51f21008@posting.google.com>p  D I'm using Java 1.4.0-1 on OpenVMS 7.3-1. When I start my application? there is about a 2 minute time where nothing happens, after theaC timeout the message "Unknown host: WSA1" shows up on the screen andSC then my application starts and runs fine. Can anyone tell me how tovC eliminate the 2 minute timeout and the "Unknown host" message? I've F just started using OpenVMS so I'm not very familiar with how it works.$ My application does simple file I/O.       Thanks,          Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:57:19 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>, Subject: Re: Make Device Online from Offline) Message-ID: <3EB75CCF.7BD76D15@127.0.0.1>    Vasu wrote: ; > How can i make a device Online from Offline.  For examplea6 >  If i give show dev dg .. i get few device offline.. >   $1$dga1..  online2 >   $1$dga2..  offline.. > B > I tried $mcr sysman io auto/log and also rebuid..  nothing works# > except reboot(which i don't want)r  E Check your SAN presentation software, it is that which is sending therH signals that where is such a device but it is inaccessible. No reboot orF other action is required on the VMS system. It may be possible that itA is also not perfectly correctly configured that the device is noth showing.  G Your last line says "except reboot", so are you saying the device showsxF then goes offline? Are you saying you reboot, it appears, then after a while goes offline?r   HTH. -- o? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesP nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:12:15 -0500S From: brandon@dalsemi.comv, Subject: Re: Make Device Online from Offline1 Message-ID: <03050607121549@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>y  ; > How can i make a device Online from Offline.  For examplea6 >  If i give show dev dg .. i get few device offline.. >   $1$dga1..  online  >   $1$dga2..  offline.. > B > I tried $mcr sysman io auto/log and also rebuid..  nothing works# > except reboot(which i don't want)e  0 What are the circumstances prior to the problem?  $ What is your SAN's setup?  Hardware?  L In the SAN's environment (not sure about SCSI or otherwise) I have seen this: problem.  I assume you ran into the same problem I have.    I I create a device at the controller console, ID=100 ($1$dga100), and thennN from the server perform a MCR SYSMAN IO AUTO.  The device is online and I can  then mount it.  N Then if I decide to make a change.  From the server, I dismount the device andK at the controller console I delete the unit.  I then either reconfigure thenM device, making it bigger, smaller, etc, and try to use the same ID (I think)  O then the device is no longer available to the O/S.  I do not remember the exactjN sequence of events, but I have butted heads with this once or twice.  I calledK HP support and they are aware of this and the solution is a reboot (which IiJ don't want either).  Even in a cluster, each node will need to be rebooted* before the device is online and available.  " Is this what you are experiencing?       John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorr Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fxA   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:09:30 +0100r From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.comE Subject: Memo:  Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?,E Message-ID: <OF9B867E27.A3903023-ON80256D1E.00482319@systems.uk.hsbc>P  J I dare say you are correct - this version will not compile on AXP however,J I have a procedure that will fix it in 3 seconds flat. Anyone interested - please mail me.o   Paul          ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **(  D ********************************************************************A This E-mail is confidential.  It may also be legally privileged. rD If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or @ use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, G please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender s immediately by return E-mail.r  C Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure, - error or virus-free. aA The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions.s  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 13:54:26 -0400e- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>,( Subject: Re: Migrate email to VMS server0 Message-ID: <3EB7F6D2.C59103B8@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Carl Perkins wrote:eH > Not unless said DCL snippet modifies the the executable that does this+ > (it is probably SYS$LIBRARY:MAILSHR.EXE).a  P Now you have reminded me of the famous MAILSHR patch that allowed many of us, c.O 1990, transparently to enter SMTP addresses into VMS mail and have it go to the L correct MTA.  Worked great!  I used to hold up my rollout of new versions ofO TCPIP Services to await the corresponding MAILSHR patch, rather than re-educateEK everyone regarding the smtp%"blah.blah.blah" construction.  This capabilitysK eventually made it into Digital TCPIP Services for OpenVMS.  But as of V5.3 K ECO1, it still can't handle o'reilly@somewhere.com, a username that did nott trouble the MAILSHR patch.  = Where are all those legendary VMS hackers when you need them?d    - JBa   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:15:23 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>i Subject: pipe search questionw9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBNHCAA.tom@kednos.com>    It appears  that  1 $ pipe sear file string1 | sear sys$input string2n  D produces all the output from the first search.  I would have thoughtK that I would only get those records where they match. IOW, whould it be the- same as  % $ sear file string1,string2/match=andh ---i& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 09:46:25 -0500o From: briggs@encompasserve.org! Subject: Re: pipe search question 3 Message-ID: <$XNj9WGS4I4t@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBNHCAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  > It appears  that > 3 > $ pipe sear file string1 | sear sys$input string2u > F > produces all the output from the first search.  I would have thoughtM > that I would only get those records where they match. IOW, whould it be thef > same > as > ' > $ sear file string1,string2/match=andr   It works for me. (7.2-1, Alpha)h   $ create test.txtg a be a ca b ci ^Z& $ pipe sea test.txt a | sea sys$pipe b a b ' $ pipe sea test.txt a | sea sys$input bi a b   B (You get style points for using sys$pipe instead of sys$input, but% most of the time they're synonymous).   > I suspect your problem has to do with the output format of theC first SEARCH.  If the result of the first search is somehow globbedoD together in one huge record then the second search is going to match* the whole huge record and spit it all out.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:10:49 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>n! Subject: RE: pipe search question 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMECDHCAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message-----sA >From: briggs@encompasserve.org [mailto:briggs@encompasserve.org]s$ >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:46 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" >Subject: Re: pipe search question >  >s? >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBNHCAA.tom@kednos.com>, "TomO! >Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:D >> It appears  that9 >>4 >> $ pipe sear file string1 | sear sys$input string2 >>G >> produces all the output from the first search.  I would have thoughti= >> that I would only get those records where they match. IOW,i >whould it be thea >> same  >> as. >>( >> $ sear file string1,string2/match=and >r  >It works for me. (7.2-1, Alpha) >g >$ create test.txt >a b >a c >b c >^Zo' >$ pipe sea test.txt a | sea sys$pipe bN >a b( >$ pipe sea test.txt a | sea sys$input b >a b >tC >(You get style points for using sys$pipe instead of sys$input, but & >most of the time they're synonymous). > ? >I suspect your problem has to do with the output format of thevD >first SEARCH.  If the result of the first search is somehow globbedE >together in one huge record then the second search is going to matchv+ >the whole huge record and spit it all out.a  L If that were true (and I think it is) then it is search itself that is doing it.e   >r
 >	John Briggs  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.n; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003d >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:53:05 +01003) From: www.ttdown.com <police@spamcop.net>j! Subject: Re: Q - Printer Problemss8 Message-ID: <5rtebv48njebts9t9obink6pcdrou23nou@4ax.com>  $ Thanks to all those who responded.     Cheers,  	Dave. e  E On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:15:06 +0100, "David Gray" <police@spamcop.net>a wrote:   >Hi all, >c >OpenVMS 7.3-16 >Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 >HP LaserJet 4000 - PCL6 >lF >Recently added a reset module to a VMS print queue for the purpose of' >removing blank pages, now if more thant8 >one print is sent the second and subsequent jobs stall. >nE >The printer queue uses the TCPIP$TELNETSYM symbiont and is set up as 	 >follows:  >iH >Printer queue ITSERVPR1, idle, on JERRY::"itservpr1:9100", mounted form >WORD11$FORM3 > /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=WORD11$FORM)mB > /LIBRARY=HP Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM > /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)$ >o >w	 >Example: 9 >XTS_JERRY> print /que=itservpr1 /setup=HPLJII_PORT 1.txtt+ >Job 1 (queue ITSERVPR1, entry 161) pending.2 >     pending status caused by queue stopped state9 >XTS_JERRY> print /que=itservpr1 /setup=HPLJII_PORT 1.txt-+ >Job 1 (queue ITSERVPR1, entry 162) pendingo2 >     pending status caused by queue stopped state9 >XTS_JERRY> print /que=itservpr1 /setup=HPLJII_PORT 1.txtU+ >Job 1 (queue ITSERVPR1, entry 163) pendingK2 >     pending status caused by queue stopped state >XTS_JERRY> show entry >  >XTS_JERRY> start itservpr1 5 >  Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status 5 >  -----  -------         --------     ------  ------ 6 >    162  1               GRAYD             1  Stalled, >         On stalled printer queue ITSERVPR1 > 6 >    163  1               GRAYD             1  Pending, >         On stalled printer queue ITSERVPR1 >2J >The jobs do eventually print after 5-10 minutes and during this 'Stalled') >period I'm getting the following messageh >from the OPS console. >)M >    TCPIP$TELNETSYM - (ITSERVPR1) open_socket_ast invoked with bad IOSB 660:I# >connect to network object rejectedT >TL >Investigation on the net shows this to be caused by print jobs from Windows9 >not releasing the port after a successful print, and theaJ >workaround being to define the timeout logicals.  I have done this but am4 >still unable to get rid delay due to jobs stalling. >- >(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  >e3 >  "OPENVMS$TELNET" = "SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$TELNET.EXE"s$ >  "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_ENABLE" = ".1.."3 >  "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_IDLE_TIMEOUT" = "0 00:00:30.00"@" >  "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP" = "1"- >  "TCPIP$TELNETSYM_SUPPRESS_FORMFEEDS" = "1"e! >  "TCPIP$TELNET_ENABLE" = ".1.."e1 >  "UCX$TELNETSYM_IDLE_TIMEOUT" = "0 00:00:30.00"-  >  "UCX$TELNETSYM_RAW_TCP" = "1"+ >  "UCX$TELNETSYM_SUPPRESS_FORMFEEDS" = "1"  > E >Has anyone come across this before and if so do you have a solution?T >|H >in case it matters the setup and reset modules contain the following... >0 >******************************@& >JD1:[GEN_USER.GRAYD]HPLJII_PORT.TXT;1 >r% ><ESC>P<ESC>E<ESC>&l0O<ESC>&l0S<ESC>\o >f >****************************** # >JD1:[GEN_USER.GRAYD]HP_RESET.TXT;4g > $ ><ESC>]VMS;2<ESC>\<ESC>P<ESC>E<ESC>\ >6 >and the form is defined asr >_: >Form name                            Number   Description: >---------                            ------   -----------: >WORD11$FORM                              12   WORD11$FORMG >    /LENGTH=72 /MARGIN=(BOTTOM=6) /STOCK=WORD11$FORM /WIDTH=1024 /WRAPi >  >Thanks in advance,r >n
 >    Dave. >r >s >t >. >  >- >- >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:52:48 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>6 Subject: Re: Synch-on-Green LCD monitor for Vaxstation) Message-ID: <3EB75BC0.C7407258@127.0.0.1>:   John Smith wrote:g >  > > John Smith wrote:: > > >iC > > > Looking for a recommendation (specific make/model) for an LCDl	 > monitor B > > > (15"/17") for use on a VS4000/60 with the mono graphics card > (1024x768    > H > Thanks for the pointers, Nic & Stan. Iiyama is hard to get around hereF > so I spoke with Samsung today and found that Samsung has quite a fewH > LCD models with synch-on-green available as a built-in feature (15 pinF > sub-D  connector). Some models with synch-on-green built-in include: > ...   G I have a Samsung 700 IFT which has both sub-15 and BNC and I can switchd using the monitor menu.e  F (I bought it at a computer show, as a customer return. While it lookedD OK, when on higher resolutions it displayed "fuzzy" so I got some TVD trim tools and sharpened it up. Not something to try unless you know? what you're doing because there's high voltages flying around.)    > ...9C > 2) Most LCD panels will not permit you to adjust the display modeEE > (1024x768, 1280x1024, etc....) from the front panel. They get theirVD > resolution settings from the graphics card and any software on the@ > host. So if the LCD has native resolution of 1280x1024 and theH > graphics adapter is capable of only 1024x768, buy a 15" LCD instead ofA > a 17" panel in order to match native screen resolution with the  > graphics adapter output.  4 That is interesting to know, useful weather warning.   -- d? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com:   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 07:22:04 -0500eB From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)K Subject: UK Hobbyist licenses, was: Re: creating licenses for my own demos? 3 Message-ID: <rkq9akVJMZAm@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  { In article <c57d7fec4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:t > L > Slightly off topic. I received my HP-CUO (UK) subscription renewal request1 > today. Under the "what you get" section it saysb > : > "one Hobbyist License renewal during the calendar year." > K > Is this a UK thing? If not, what is the point of including Cluster in theOL > Hobbyist program, as you need 2 licenses to make any sensible use of that? > 4 > What do people with multiple machines actually do? >   L In my case, I decided to ignore that statement and go with what was actuallyJ agreed when the hobbyist licence was implemented, which was that you couldH license as many systems for hobbyist use as you wanted provided that you* were a member of your local DECUS chapter.  H I actually request two licenses each year: One for an Alpha which I use,J and one for a Vax sat in the corner in case I need to try something on it.  N IANAL(etc), but I suspect that they should have placed the words "per machine" after "renewal".  G BTW, I have registered with Encompass US as an associate member, have a H membership number and next time, I will try getting my hobbyist licensesK with that number. Has anybody else from the UK been successful with gettingi$ hobbyist licenses with this method ?   Simon.   -- iB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 08:12:51 -0700s1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)0 Subject: VAX Surveyr= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305060712.1de8f307@posting.google.com>s   Dear Newsgroup,0  G Just letting you know that there is now a VAX survey on www.openvms.org L we will also be giving away 5 VMS shirts to some of the people that respond.  
 Warm Regards,r Sue    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:01:19 GMT  From: "Nrgo" <end@tin.it>e1 Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Festival Europe 4.002 Message-ID: <juNta.49397$3M4.1311850@news1.tin.it>   Photos are at:   http://www.ancientcomputer.com/F   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:03:43 GMT0 From: "Nrgo" <end@tin.it>01 Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Festival Europe 4.002 Message-ID: <zwNta.49413$3M4.1312232@news1.tin.it>  Y "Nrgo" <end@tin.it> ha scritto nel messaggio news:juNta.49397$3M4.1311850@news1.tin.it...0 > Photos are at: >0! > http://www.ancientcomputer.com/0 >  >   
 More precise:0  F http://www.ancientcomputer.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=acc_gallery   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:41:11 -05002 From: brandon@dalsemi.com B Subject: Re: WAS (Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage) NOW SOCK!1 Message-ID: <03050611411190@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>A   *snip* ... I have myH office setup in the basement and so is the laundry.  One day a sock fellG into the basin and clogged the drain.  The washing machine was pumping  C out and caused a rather nasty little wet mess in the basement.  ...S	 *endsnip*p  * Now I know where the sock monster lives...   John Brandon VMS Systems AdministratorM Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wke 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:29:37 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>9 Subject: Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???r( Message-ID: <3EB76461.3A97859@127.0.0.1>   Frank wrote: >  > Hello, > D > I'm running OpenVMS 6.2 on and VAX 4000-200 machine, but I'm not a > VAX/VMS expert.h  = Maybe not, but this is more information than we often get :-)e  G > I was noticing some strange behaviour of this system, and today I sawsD > the system performing a shut down and a reboot without any requestE > from anybody (!!!). I know the system is running out of disk space,oH > but is there any feature of VMS to perform a reboot when it is running > out of resources?? > H > I tried to look on "operator.log" file, but could not see any evidenceA > of what happened. Is there any other Log file available on VMS?- > + > What can make a system reboot like this??1  A Doesn't the AUDIT server have the ability to shutdown the system?:F Although I thought it would be a SHUTDOWN and not a reboot (keyword is' CRASH so I can see why it would cycle).    -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesD nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 05:53:01 -0700e( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???a= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305060453.707bf424@posting.google.com>l  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3EB707D4.5C6F167A@fsi.net>... > Frank wrote: > > 
 > > Hello, > > F > > I'm running OpenVMS 6.2 on and VAX 4000-200 machine, but I'm not a > > VAX/VMS expert.  > > I > > I was noticing some strange behaviour of this system, and today I sawoF > > the system performing a shut down and a reboot without any requestG > > from anybody (!!!). I know the system is running out of disk space, J > > but is there any feature of VMS to perform a reboot when it is running > > out of resources?? > > J > > I tried to look on "operator.log" file, but could not see any evidenceC > > of what happened. Is there any other Log file available on VMS?t > > - > > What can make a system reboot like this??. > H > The OPERATOR.LOG file in the SYS$MANAGER: path should contain shutdownJ > messages, at the very least. Try the version before the current version.E > You can specify that using ";-1" at the end of the filespec (or the  > explicit version number).v > A > Check the batch queues for any job name which appears suspect. i > G > Also, try looking at ANALYZE/CRASH_DUMP to see if it was a crash that * > produced a dump and a subsequent reboot.  A is your console on battery backup?  and is the break key disabled,@ on it?  A user can hit break key and halt the system which would% reboot if you had auto reboot set ...d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 04:09:15 -0400i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???s) Message-ID: <3EB76D98.6EB44FFF@istop.com>s   Nic Clews wrote:C > Doesn't the AUDIT server have the ability to shutdown the system?t  L It can freeze a system should the system drive fill up, preventing the auditE server from logging events. But I do not think it can crash a system.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:52:58 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>9 Subject: Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???t) Message-ID: <3EB777EA.86540B32@127.0.0.1>1   JF Mezei wrote:- >  > Nic Clews wrote:E > > Doesn't the AUDIT server have the ability to shutdown the system?m > N > It can freeze a system should the system drive fill up, preventing the auditG > server from logging events. But I do not think it can crash a system.l  % $ SET AUDIT/SERVER/FINAL_ACTION=CRASHm  G It's the CRASH that bothers me, if your system is set to auto reboot onbF crash, then it explains the cycling (and we're not talking pedalling!)   -- r? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesr nclews at csc dot comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:42:52 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>o@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?/ Message-ID: <gCRta.344$wC.280@news.cpqcorp.net>r  B >"Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message  news:3EB69CEE.7000007@Free.fr... >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:   F >> If your customer needs direct information from people who can speakL >> officially about the OpenVMS roadmap, strategy, and make HP committments,J >> then I suggest the simple solution of contacting Sue Skonetski, who can >> easily make that happen.   H >Yeah. The famous VMS "Ambassador". I wrote to him three times for three; >different (very big accounts) Customers. He never replied.o   Who?  What?  How?.  ' >Sue? Make HP commitments? This is new.m  K I didn't say Sue was making the committments, but that if indeed you have aeE customer in need of such assurances, she can put them in contact withh someone who *can*.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:56:24 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG> Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?0 Message-ID: <00A1F725.188F948A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3eb6c7e1$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes:n) >>I dare say this won't work on an Alpha.m >. >OK, then, here: {...snip...} >  >..END  ^^ " I dare say this simply won't work!   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            d5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:59:09 -0400a4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>B Subject: Re: [Q] On-disk BACKUP save set block size = 33040 bytes?* Message-ID: <3EB7B19C.2C40AEA6@oracle.com>  G for an image backup, it appears that backup picks the 'best' block sizeuJ for its operations internally.  since there is no actual saveset involved,: I imaging that the saveset counter never gets incremented.   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  
 > Example: >a( > $    BACKUP/IMAGE/COMPARE CDROM: LDA1:E > NODEX::SYSTEM 20:45:30 BACKUP    CPU=00:17:29.87 PF=20486 IO=264974e
 > MEM=10116 >  Comparing file: LDA1:[FT.ARC.LNREPO]FT010830L.BCK;18 >  Saveset volume:0, saveset block:0 (33040 byte blocks) >iC > Why does it say 33040-byte blocks? Disk save sets have 32256-byteoH > blocks. Whence the 33040 figure? And why is it always saveset block 0? >p	 > Thanks.i >E > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.250 ************************