1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 07 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 251       Contents: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?  Re: Anyone here from Dublin ? , Re: Are Bridgeworks and Multinet compatible?% Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage % Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage $ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question$ Re: Cluster vote allocation question' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? A Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary? $ Re: determine whether a file is open$ Re: determine whether a file is open Re: Digital logo Re: Digital logo9 Re: HELP: SCA Traffic - Transmit Sequence Packet Timeouts < Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd< Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd< Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd< Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd< Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd< Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd= Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! = Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! = Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd! 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 3 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 G Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly % Itanic 2: Is Intel getting desperate? ) Re: Itanic 2: Is Intel getting desperate?  Re: Java "Unknown host" problem ) Re: license generation question revisited ) Re: license generation question revisited ) Re: license generation question revisited ) Re: license generation question revisited ) Re: license generation question revisited  Re: Migrate email to VMS server 2 Re: OpenVMS discussion family added to ITRC Forums6 Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!6 Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!1 Re: Pinout of power connector on DECserver 90TL ? 1 Re: Pinout of power connector on DECserver 90TL ?  Re: pipe search question RE: pipe search questionA Re: Spontaneous rebooting after 7.3-1 upgrade and how to track it 9 Re: WAS (Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage) NOW SOCK! 0 Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???0 Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? % Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh ) Re: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh ) Re: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh ) Re: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh ) Re: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh 5 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ? 9 Re: [Q] On-disk BACKUP save set block size = 33040 bytes? ; [Q] QIO programming with MOP remote console with DECservers  Re: [VMS-SIG] Help - VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:31:23 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?5 Message-ID: <b992ii$gqrho$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   5 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> schreef in bericht ! news:3EB7818C.A67451A4@aaa.com... 4 > You *do* know the similarity between american beer > and making love in a canoe ? > ) > They are both fu--ing close to water...  >    ROTFLOL   J Thank you Jan for sharing that one. I was close to posting something alongE the lines of "American beer, how's that again?" But this is better...    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:46:49 GMT 3 From: wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?0 Message-ID: <3eb848bc.217752573@news.eircom.net>  B On Mon, 5 May 2003 13:46:20 -0700, "Scott Stark" <starkh@saic.com> wrote:  L >I find it hard to believe that the current official policy is to do nothing >to stop it from spreading.   C I found it hard to believe too. Took a bunch of phone calls chasing A around the government and the Department of Health to convince me  that, yes, that was the policy.    >That's not responsible.  C You don't say! Now try telling that to the people in charge here :(    --   "Sore wa himitsu desu."  To reply by email, remove  the small snack from address. ! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:48:57 GMT 3 From: wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) & Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?0 Message-ID: <3eb849d4.218032468@news.eircom.net>  E On 6 May 2003 01:56:38 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:   E >One thing I especially miss about my time in europe was all the good E >beer.  No matter what they say, american beer doesn't and will never  >measure up.  # Though Canadian beer is quite good.    --   "Sore wa himitsu desu."  To reply by email, remove  the small snack from address. ! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2003 01:34:32 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Anyone here from Dublin ?5 Message-ID: <b99nr8$gv5j0$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   0 In article <3eb849d4.218032468@news.eircom.net>,6 	wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes:G > On 6 May 2003 01:56:38 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  > F >>One thing I especially miss about my time in europe was all the goodF >>beer.  No matter what they say, american beer doesn't and will never
 >>measure up.  > % > Though Canadian beer is quite good.  >   F Can't get real Canadian beer this side of the border either.  And whenD I go to Canada I have my choice between real Canadaian Beer and realB European beer. (I know this nice pub in Kingston, ON that has both Guinness and Harp on draught.)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 13:10:00 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Are Bridgeworks and Multinet compatible? 3 Message-ID: <ZsWY$BgTUY0i@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <9373757A6warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:  > Hi folks,  > L > Would anyone know if Bridgeworks can run on an OpenVMS instance that uses J > Multinet rather than UCX?  The Bridgeworks docs list UCX as an optional M > requirement, but seem to say nothing about alternative tcpip stacks.  (And  D > the salesperson hasn't returned my call from yesterday afternoon.) >   B   Try asking Process.  DOn't be suprised if they are very helpful.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:24:51 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage) Message-ID: <3EB80BFE.9E495EB1@istop.com>   
 DXP wrote:D > You could try using X-10 - the following two links may provide you > with a start...   M I have found X10 to be "unreliable" (I wouldn't trust my life). For instance, N solid state transformers for halogen lights tend to generate much noise on theL line which prevents the X10 signals from reaching the X10 power controllers.N Also, the power controllers are not 100% reliable over time. (for instance, ifK you have a VT200 "turned on" that is plugged into one of thsoe controllers, I the controller will "go nuts" when to tell to to power-on and power cycle J about 5 times and come back to "off". You have to turn the VT220 off, then1 tell it to power on and then turn the VT back on.   F It is cool to have, but it has its limits in terms of reliability. ForM instance, when I had a cable modem, it was plugged into one of thse X10 power I controllers (so I could reset the modem remotely) but it could not be put L behind the Microvax II's power distribution box with all the plugs since theC later has filters and capacitors which filter out the X10 commands.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:43:23 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>. Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage) Message-ID: <3EB81054.7CB2706B@istop.com>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: J > office setup in the basement and so is the laundry.  One day a sock fell  8 Are you in the  business of laundering money :-) :-) :-)  H > ces the condition until silenced) and it turns off the water (electricA > valves are available at plumbing supplies) in the laundry area.   G Are these valves dependant on pressure ? (for instance, the valves in a K dishwasher require a certain amount of pressure otherwise they do not open, J and they are not designed for constant use - if they are left on too long,D they burn (magnet overheats). Found out the hard way at cottage whenM dishawahse was running at same time as shower, dishwasher's valve didn't open K and it stayed on "until water level was acceptable". (solution was to raise ? the pump's pressure settings, and change the dishwaher's valve.   G But because we can't rely on a city to supply water under pressure, any L electric valves used must operate with or without pressure (for instance, toK drain the water pipes, i would need one valve "at the top" and one valve at E the bottom to open to allow all water to drain once pressure is gone.   H > For remote sensing, I have two of the "ducks" mentioned here in c.o.v.  K Thanks for reminding me. I remember those "ads" and remember you saying you E were interested. Will look it up. However, can the "duck" have remote J thermocouples plugged in ? If I am to monitor the temperature of a burriedJ water pipe to the lake, i need to have small thermocouples strapped to theN pipe and wires leading back to the cottage. Gee, I just remember that it mightF be nice to have an outdoor temperature sensor too while I am at it :-)  H > I can control various electrical devices in the house and in my officeG > via several APC MasterSwitches which are SNMP controlled power units.   % Are these TCPIP devices on ethernet ?   G > These switches are responsible for powering on the electrical valves, * > for example, if there is water detected.  J Are the valves unpowered normally and powered only when you wish to changeM their state ? Is their state known, or "guessed" from the number of times you N activated them from on to off to on to off etc ?  (that is one of the problemsJ with the X10 devices, especially if you also have controller pads, you canJ turn on a light with the computer and turn it off with the pad without the computer knowing it).    >  Unfortunately, they cannot 5 > handle enough current to power of a clothes washer.   M Actually, one "appliance" that would be good to control via computer would be N the water heater. Turn it off when not there, and command it to turn on beforeN you leave the city so by the time you arrive at cottage you have hot water. OnM the other hand, I remember when in new zealand, they had "on demand" electric K heating gizmos for showers, which means you don't really need a large water J tank (which loses a lot of heat/energy over time just to keep water warm).  E > When/If there is a power outage, the Alpha started taking action to F > turn-off certain bits of equipment such that UPS battery life can be > prolonged.  M What happens if one water valve is shut at the time of power failure, and you Q really need to turn it on during power failure ? (to fight a fire, for instance).   H > What's nice is that I can monitor and/or control any of this from out- > side my home.   K Yes, that is one of the reasons I have been toying with this for the remote 	 cottage.    I > internet cafe and check on things at home.  Next item(s) on my purchase H > list is an internet camera monitoring.  I've checked out several but I= > have yet to find one that works well under IR illumination.   J So you can see if there is another body hidden under the bedsheets next to- your wife :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)   M Here is a question for you: when you sell your house, what happens to all the K gizmos that are "installed" in the home and will be without any computers ? 9 Will a new owner accept an alpha with VMS running on it ?    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:25:27 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis). Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage. Message-ID: <b995nm$nmr$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   A few comments:   J The value webcams work mostly with Windows, a few with MacOS.  Some can be) rigged to upload via ftp to VMS or Linux.   J If you have an external data connection (which you would need for your camK and remote-control capabilities), loading new licenses every year shouldn't 1 be a problem.  Or set the clock back 100 years...   = Be sure to simulate a power outage before you leave it alone.   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:31:10 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG. Subject: Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage0 Message-ID: <00A1F77D.C2A8DAA6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <3EB81054.7CB2706B@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:K >> office setup in the basement and so is the laundry.  One day a sock fell  > 9 >Are you in the  business of laundering money :-) :-) :-)   @ That's my wife's job being a New Jersian of Italian heritage! ;)    H >Are these valves dependant on pressure ? (for instance, the valves in aL >dishwasher require a certain amount of pressure otherwise they do not open,K >and they are not designed for constant use - if they are left on too long, E >they burn (magnet overheats). Found out the hard way at cottage when N >dishawahse was running at same time as shower, dishwasher's valve didn't openL >and it stayed on "until water level was acceptable". (solution was to raise@ >the pump's pressure settings, and change the dishwaher's valve.  I There are many different types.  These require the application of voltage I to open and the application of voltage to close.  No power is required in I the interim.  Typically, as you might have assumed, the values stay open.     L >Thanks for reminding me. I remember those "ads" and remember you saying youF >were interested. Will look it up. However, can the "duck" have remoteK >thermocouples plugged in ? If I am to monitor the temperature of a burried K >water pipe to the lake, i need to have small thermocouples strapped to the O >pipe and wires leading back to the cottage. Gee, I just remember that it might G >be nice to have an outdoor temperature sensor too while I am at it :-)   G That would be a question for Bill Farmer to answer.  I have a switch on G one set of the duck's three additional sensor connectors.  The response G reads either 00 or 99.  It might be able to report values in between if C a resistance other and 0 ohms or infinite ohms is presented to it.    I >> I can control various electrical devices in the house and in my office H >> via several APC MasterSwitches which are SNMP controlled power units. > & >Are these TCPIP devices on ethernet ?  F Yeap.  Send me a private email and I'll set up a way for you to accessG one of the interfaces if you're interested.  You can control an outlet  < via a Web interface or via SNMP commands.  I use the latter.  H >> These switches are responsible for powering on the electrical valves,+ >> for example, if there is water detected.  > K >Are the valves unpowered normally and powered only when you wish to change N >their state ? Is their state known, or "guessed" from the number of times youO >activated them from on to off to on to off etc ?  (that is one of the problems K >with the X10 devices, especially if you also have controller pads, you can K >turn on a light with the computer and turn it off with the pad without the  >computer knowing it).  K Mine are "home-grown".  Stepper motor, stepper motor controller, and a few  6 bits from the plumbing dept. at HomeDepot.  They work.   >>  Unfortunately, they cannot6 >> handle enough current to power of a clothes washer. > N >Actually, one "appliance" that would be good to control via computer would beO >the water heater. Turn it off when not there, and command it to turn on before O >you leave the city so by the time you arrive at cottage you have hot water. On N >the other hand, I remember when in new zealand, they had "on demand" electricL >heating gizmos for showers, which means you don't really need a large waterK >tank (which loses a lot of heat/energy over time just to keep water warm).   J Well, my heater is gas so unless I build a robot to go ignite the pilot...      F >> When/If there is a power outage, the Alpha started taking action toG >> turn-off certain bits of equipment such that UPS battery life can be 
 >> prolonged.  > N >What happens if one water valve is shut at the time of power failure, and youR >really need to turn it on during power failure ? (to fight a fire, for instance).  L The values are on the UPS!  I can, however, pull the stepper motor assembly J away and manually turn the valve on or off.  If there's a fire in my houseK requiring me to use the house water supply to douse it, I'll likely be run- M ning as fast as I can out.  With the building codes around here, it's likely  A that the framework was made from old strike anywhere matchsticks.     J >> internet cafe and check on things at home.  Next item(s) on my purchaseI >> list is an internet camera monitoring.  I've checked out several but I > >> have yet to find one that works well under IR illumination. > K >So you can see if there is another body hidden under the bedsheets next to . >your wife :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)  J Not a problem... she gets all the satifaction she needs and then some from yours truly. ;)     N >Here is a question for you: when you sell your house, what happens to all theL >gizmos that are "installed" in the home and will be without any computers ?: >Will a new owner accept an alpha with VMS running on it ?  K Save for the CAT5 and outlets, the rest goes with me.  I remove the stepper J motor from the valves and reinstall the conventional valve handles and allJ is back to the original.  The toilet seat gets unscrewed and replaced with a new seat... etc.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:30:43 -0400% From: "Nancy Lyons" <n.lyons@rcn.com> - Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question + Message-ID: <b98v0k$qb4$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   F > So, based on this, the transaction co-ordinator in a cluster (during# > reconfiguration) is determined by   D I have observed that the cluster transition manager is typically theC last node to enter the cluster.  If that node is not present when a H transition happens, it is the repsonsibility of the first node to notice/ the condition to act as the transition manager.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:53:48 +0100 + From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> - Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question 8 Message-ID: <241gbvcvr0psmlqf53h8k04kdud72q8rkh@4ax.com>  I On Tue, 6 May 2003 14:30:43 -0400, "Nancy Lyons" <n.lyons@rcn.com> wrote:   G >> So, based on this, the transaction co-ordinator in a cluster (during $ >> reconfiguration) is determined by > E >I have observed that the cluster transition manager is typically the D >last node to enter the cluster.  If that node is not present when aI >transition happens, it is the repsonsibility of the first node to notice 0 >the condition to act as the transition manager.  J It has often seemed to me that connection requests are fielded by the nodeJ with the highest scssystemid value, but my memory is distinctly suspect...     	John    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 14:34:09 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) - Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0305061334.4ef874bc@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KVKTCLINBUAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...I > > When selecting the optimal subset of nodes to survive after a loss of ' > > connectivity, VMS uses these rules:  ... ) > Interesting.  Where is this documented?   + VAXcluster Principles book by Roy G. Davis.   D I checked the OpenVMS Cluster Systems manual, and it appears to be a bit too terse on the topic:   ? "If a cluster member is shut down or fails, the cluster must be E reconfigured.  One of the remaining computers acts as coordinator and A exchanges messages with all other cluster members to determine an @ optimal cluster configuration with the most members and the most votes."   F I've submitted a suggestion to the documentation folks to improve this area.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 14:49:41 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) - Subject: Re: Cluster vote allocation question = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0305061349.2a3a9c7e@posting.google.com>   Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3EB7C7B0.F2837D12@127.0.0.1>... F > So, based on this, the transaction co-ordinator in a cluster (during# > reconfiguration) is determined by  >  > a) SCSSYSTEMID > b) race condition  > C > ? (I was led to believe it was b but experience leaned towards a)   A The coordinator node for a state transition is usually simply the F first node which notices that a state transition is needed and is able* to get all the other nodes to agree to it.  D When a node joins the cluster, it picks one node to make the requestD for membership on its behalf.  If the cluster has a mix of older andB newer versions of cluster code (not the VMS version -- the cluster> code version might remain the same across several adjacent VMSA releases), the new node will always ask one of the nodes with the ? newer version.  It also compares SCS System IDs (using a string E comparison instruction) and picks the one with the "greatest" value.  ? This is often the node with the highest DECnet address, but not C always, since the SCS System ID is in DECnet-style MAC address form E (AA-00-04-00-xx-yy, where xx-yy is based on the DECnet address or SCS E System ID, which are basically the same 16-bit value), but the DECnet A area number is 6 bits and the number within the DECnet area is 10 = bits, so they're not on neat byte boundaries, and if I recall ? correctly, the two bytes at the end may even be swapped around, A further confusing things.  I beileve it's typically the last node 8 which appears in the list when you do SDA> SHOW CLUSTER.  C > "Figure of merit" comes into this as well according to VAXcluster F > principles, which is based on software version, but all things being
 > equal...  D (I don't recall if cluster software version is involved with optimal? subcluster selection or not.  Assuming it is not, then...)  Put F simply, "Figure of merit" is just another way to describe the rules asB I gave them, but is closer to how the code actually implements it:A take the number of votes and multiply it by 256 (since the design D center for clusters had a maximum of 256 possible nodes), and add inA the number of votes to get the Figure of Merit.  Same result as I  described...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:54:35 GMT 4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?. Message-ID: <LxTta.358$ZN.25@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 "Michael Rice" <marice@whiteice.com> wrote in message ) news:vbfi3lmmfrkrd5@corp.supernews.com...   E > Are you saying that all PAKs are generated by HP?  Or, if you are a E > Company Member, do you receive the PAKGEN software and can generate  your > own?  E Everyone running V7.2 later of VMS has the PAKGEN software built into 0 VMS.  Extra media is needed - just a PAKGEN PAK.  D It is enabled by using a PAK called PAKGEN.  To get a PAKGEN PAK you! must go through the DSPP program.   9 The document I provided gives examples of how it is done.   H So, If you have V7.2 or later of PAKGEN and a PAKGEN PAK, you can create3 PAKs for the producer that matches the TOKEN field.   # I hope that answers your questions.    --  
 Sincerely,	 Mark Buda  Hewlett-Packard Company  VMS Engineering  110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57  Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969  FAX: (603) 884-3451    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:20:09 GMT 4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?/ Message-ID: <ZNUta.373$TX.348@news.cpqcorp.net>   . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMECCHCAA.tom@kednos.com...   = >If you are a member of DSPP (formerly CSA) you could receive G >a license for PAKGEN, which would allow you to generate your own paks.   C You could receive a PAKGEN PAK with a producer/issuer pair for your  chosen producer   B >I believe that it is now also on the freeware, and there was some
 discussion! of that on this list a while back   H It is NOT on the freeware, but it is available on V7.2 and later of VMS.B To enable its usage, you need the PAKGEN PAK.  The documentation I( provided gives examples of how it works.     --  
 Sincerely,	 Mark Buda  Hewlett-Packard Company  VMS Engineering  110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57  Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969  FAX: (603) 884-3451    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:06:52 -0400 ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?8 Message-ID: <bvtgbv8uqqqg9b83eg29hf0f9iecu8gvbm@4ax.com>  - On Tue, 06 May 2003 18:54:35 GMT, "Mark Buda" ) <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> wrote: F >Everyone running V7.2 later of VMS has the PAKGEN software built into1 >VMS.  Extra media is needed - just a PAKGEN PAK.  > E >It is enabled by using a PAK called PAKGEN.  To get a PAKGEN PAK you " >must go through the DSPP program. > : >The document I provided gives examples of how it is done. > I >So, If you have V7.2 or later of PAKGEN and a PAKGEN PAK, you can create 4 >PAKs for the producer that matches the TOKEN field. > $ >I hope that answers your questions.  $ nope. It doesn't. I have 7.2 openvms and I *DON'T* have PAKGEN > wasn't installed. and I looked everywhere for it. ain't there.  & lovely english, but you get the point.: of course this is on an ALPHA that I'm testing, not a vax.4 perhaps I should be less stupid and check the vax ;)   curiouser and curiouser    B.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 23:18:45 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?3 Message-ID: <7iPRHhWebeKB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <bvtgbv8uqqqg9b83eg29hf0f9iecu8gvbm@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:/ > On Tue, 06 May 2003 18:54:35 GMT, "Mark Buda" + > <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> wrote:   J >>So, If you have V7.2 or later of PAKGEN and a PAKGEN PAK, you can create5 >>PAKs for the producer that matches the TOKEN field.  >>% >>I hope that answers your questions.  > & > nope. It doesn't. I have 7.2 openvms > and I *DON'T* have PAKGEN @ > wasn't installed. and I looked everywhere for it. ain't there.   Define "looked for".  F Did you try the instructions in the PAKgen documentation Mark posted ?  B Or did you just make an incorrect guess that there would be a file@ with "PAKGEN" in the name ?  That was true for the older version/ of PAKgen, but not for the new bundled version.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:23:15 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?) Message-ID: <03050700231472@antinode.org>   - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)    > Define "looked for". > H > Did you try the instructions in the PAKgen documentation Mark posted ? > D > Or did you just make an incorrect guess that there would be a fileB > with "PAKGEN" in the name ?  That was true for the older version1 > of PAKgen, but not for the new bundled version.   :    I don't know, but perhaps he tried something like this:   ALP $ license generate< %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image PAK$DIR:PAK$USER.EXE8 -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file PAK$DIR:[SYSEXE]PAK$USER.EXE;K -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation   0 ALP $ dire sys$sysdevice:[000000...]PAK$USER.EXE! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found   + ALP $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "HW_NAME")  AlphaStation 200 4/233  + ALP $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "VERSION")  V7.2-1  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:44:40 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>J Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?$ Message-ID: <3EB80298.40705@Free.fr>   Bob Koehler wrote:_ > In article <3EB6CCAD.9080603@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:  >  >>Jim Strehlow wrote:  >>N >>Yes, you should. A VMS system without (real) DECnet, i.e. DECnet-IV, is not ; >>complete and cannot do networking with other DEC systems,  >  > G >    That simply is not true.  Phase V can and does talk to DEC systems ? >    which only support Phase IV.  Phase V can be thought of as ? >    Phase IV + ISO/OSI + DECnet over IP (somewhat simplified).  >   L Again, foreign language use leads to confusion. The question was: "should I : install DECnet Plus?" Then  "should I install DECnet IV?".  : Hence my answer: "no DECnet Plus *and* no DECnet IV is not9 complete and cannot do networking with other DEC systems.    D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:59:27 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> J Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?5 Message-ID: <b99475$gl559$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   7 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:d7791aa1.0305060446.342ee6af@posting.google.com... 8 > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote in message1 news:<b96lbt$fuvsa$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>...  > > 6 > > IP over DECnet is a feature not found in phase IV. > >  > > Hans Vlems > > > sorry, but you can do all these wonderful commands on Decnet? > Phase IV over IP ... it is on TCPware and has been for years!  > It is true Phase IV over IP!  K I know but there are shops out there that stick to Digital, err Compaq, err  HP, layered products.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 16:21:19 -0700 , From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)J Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0305061521.71a3efb0@posting.google.com>   ? We will let our client decide between Phase IV and DECnet-Plus. ( Your input may influence their decision.  F As a recap, a client shipped us a new AlphaServer without any of their existing configuration files. F The AlphaServer "came from the factory" preinstalled with the client's> necessary licenses and (the problem at hand) preinstalled with DECnet-Plus.  @ We need our client to copy from their production system whatever) DECnet configuration files are necessary.O= We will contact HP Software Support to determine what are the ' appropriate DECnet configuration files.e5 (Similarly for the TCP/IP configuration information.)e   Thank you for your input.    Jim Strehlow, Data911u OpenVMS Systems Manageru Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:24:20 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>oJ Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?' Message-ID: <3EB86044.7E916EA3@fsi.net>i   Didier Morandi wrote:c >  > Bob Koehler wrote:a > > In article <3EB6CCAD.9080603@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:  > >n > >>Jim Strehlow wrote:c > >>O > >>Yes, you should. A VMS system without (real) DECnet, i.e. DECnet-IV, is notC= > >>complete and cannot do networking with other DEC systems,  > >e > >sI > >    That simply is not true.  Phase V can and does talk to DEC systemsCA > >    which only support Phase IV.  Phase V can be thought of asCA > >    Phase IV + ISO/OSI + DECnet over IP (somewhat simplified).C > >S > M > Again, foreign language use leads to confusion. The question was: "should Ic< > install DECnet Plus?" Then  "should I install DECnet IV?". > < > Hence my answer: "no DECnet Plus *and* no DECnet IV is not; > complete and cannot do networking with other DEC systems.   E Eh, well, I don't know as I'd go that far. Doing CONVENIENT DEC<->DECsF networking, yes, that I'd say. However, my hobbyist machines here liveH quite well with no DECnet between them. I can TELNET (but not SET HOST),E COPY/FTP, etc. Having FAL would be more convenient, but I'm trying toB+ find as many "no DECnet" gotcha's as I can.u   -- i David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:58:19 -0500P From: brandon@dalsemi.comcJ Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?1 Message-ID: <03050620581904@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   G > Eh, well, I don't know as I'd go that far. Doing CONVENIENT DEC<->DECtH > networking, yes, that I'd say. However, my hobbyist machines here liveJ > quite well with no DECnet between them. I can TELNET (but not SET HOST),G > COPY/FTP, etc. Having FAL would be more convenient, but I'm trying to - > find as many "no DECnet" gotcha's as I can.n >  > David J. Dachteras  N I agree.  DEC to DEC is convenient.  However, our enterprise consists of UNIX,H NT, Windows, VMS, etc. and the traffic is 99.9% TCPIP.  So when I have aO "DECnet" or "LAT" problem (very very rare - in fact non-existent) or discussionaL why we need to transport these protocols, I end up making excuses - sound asC they may be.  Did I just agree with D.J.Dachtera??? Oh my g-d... ;)    John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorg Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wks 972.371.4003 fxo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:00:49 -0400n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)J Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus (DECnet PhaseV) (DECnet/OSI) migration necessary?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0605032300500001@user-uinj0ac.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <4b6ec350.0305061521.71a3efb0@posting.google.com>,d- JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) wrote:e   ...r  A >We need our client to copy from their production system whatever * >DECnet configuration files are necessary.> >We will contact HP Software Support to determine what are the( >appropriate DECnet configuration files.6 >(Similarly for the TCP/IP configuration information.)  D Can your client send you an image backup of the system disk with the0 desired network configuration?  Might save time.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 17:13 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)-- Subject: Re: determine whether a file is open3, Message-ID: <6MAY200317131265@gerg.tamu.edu>  ! mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes...f4 }In article <j5oBEwNfZL9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>,? } koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ek }> In article <b95va7$f4a$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:g }>> Hi,a }>> P }>> Could someone please tell me the resource name(s) and access mode for a File	 }>> lock?n }> tH }>    This is not documented.  If you use it it may break on no notice. I }>    And it's not done in the manner you might expect.  But if you spend-9 }>    some time with $getlki you can reverse engineer it.m }> eO }>    I believe you'll also find it in Bruce Ellis' "The Hitchhiker's Guide to  8 }>    VMS", my copy of which seems not to be in my desk. } I }According to the Hitchhiker's Guide the the format is a 4 byte prefix ofbF }the string "RMS$" followed by the 3 word file-id and then finally theH }volume label - in executive mode. For example, in SDA you might seed... } B }Process index: 000E   Name: AUDIT_SERVER   Extended PID: 2020008EB }----------------------------------------------------------------- }Lock data:' } Q }Lock id:  03000353            PID:    0001000E   Flags: VALBLK  CONVERT SYNCSTS dQ }Par. id:  00000000            SUBLCKs:       2          SYSTEM  NODLCKW NODLCKB cQ }LKB:      FFFFFFFF.7F672450   BLKAST: 8605B060          QUECVT                  8Q }Priority:     0000                                                                } % }Granted at    PW   00000000-FFFFFFFF1 } % }RSB:               FFFFFFFF.7F67A2501Q }Resource:          01A608D2 24534D52  RMS$. .  Status: VALBLKR VALBLKW         iQ } Length   26       4D565058 41020000  ...AXPVM                                  iQ } Exec. mode        00202020 53595353  SSYS   .                                  d3 } System            00000000 00000000  ........    i } K }for the file with FID (2258,422,0) or hex (x8D2,x1A6,0) on DISK$AXPVMSSYS.  }  }  }$ show log disk$axpvmssys6 }   "DISK$AXPVMSSYS" = "$4$DKC600:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) }$ show log sys$sysdevice:5 }   "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "$4$DKC600:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)@ } 2 }$ dire/file_id sys$manager:security.audit$journal }  }Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR] }  }SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL;18" }                     (2258,422,0) }  }--  }- Jim  A The Frontport Library makes use of this sort of thing. It matchesu3 the above explanation, with one possible exception.t       struct rmsres_st {         char rmstag[4];v         ino_t fid[3];          char devlocknam[16];     } rmsresname;'   The "rmstag[4]" is "RMS$"   / The "fid[3]" is, not too surprisingly, the FID.a  K The "devlocknam[16]" part is retrieved via a call to SYS$GETDVI(W) with thetH item code of DVI$_DEVLOCKNAM. This may or may not match the label (which@ is the possible exception mentioned above) - it won't match if a? SET VOLUME/LABEL has been done since the disk was last mounted.e  % The lock itself is in executive mode.y   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 15:47:45 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) - Subject: Re: determine whether a file is opena= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0305061447.6bcb8037@posting.google.com>s  m "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message news:<b95va7$f4a$1@hercules.btinternet.com>...eL > I've seen the note about the Serialization Lock and can get BLASTed when aM > directory entry is created but then I want to wait for an exclusive lock on 1 > the file so that I know the Copy has completed.w > E > So, I've got the F11B$ stuff at Kernel mode for the directory entryaJ > and the RMS$ FID and RFA sub-lock stuff at Executive mode for the record; > locking bits, but I think I'm missing the bit in between.   ? This stuff is documented in an appendix of the Internals & Data-C Structures Manual entitled something like "Lock and Resource Use by<; OpenVMS Components" (I'm out of town and greatly missing my  bookshelf).   B You might have been thinking of the File Access Arbitration lock. > This is a kernel-mode lock on a root resource name of the formD F11B$a<volumename><lockbasis> (the lockbasis has the Relative Volume? Number in the high byte and the File Number in the low 3 bytes,gE omitting the 16-bit Sequence Number that you'd find in a regular Filen@ ID).  You might be able to wait until all the locks on this rootE resource (besides the Null lock you're using for $GETLKI) to go away.V  E Be advised that the volume name in these resource names is the volumetE name when the volume was mounted, and may have been changed by a $SETu* VOLUME/LABEL command since it was mounted.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:45:31 +0100* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> Subject: Re: Digital logot5 Message-ID: <b99duf$gnkf1$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>g  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:0jZpWXGsgE1g@eisner.encompasserve.org...o4 > Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message8 news:<howard-B6B6CA.12224304052003@enews.newsguy.com>... > >1! > > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+-! > > | d | i | g | i | t | a | l |3! > > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+f > >. > >o& > > ...or did you mean something else? >g >   From an old office sign: >B$ >    The |i|d|i|g|a|t|l| difference. >e  I I once visited a site where they had inverted the 'd' and re-arranged the  rest to read |p|i|g|t|a|i|l|  ...:-) -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.nete http://www.travell.uk.net/       ---r& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/2003a   ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2003 01:36:14 GMTa( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Digital logoy5 Message-ID: <b99nue$gv5j0$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>t  5 In article <b99duf$gnkf1$1@id-120847.news.dfncis.de>,d- 	"John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes:n > J > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:0jZpWXGsgE1g@eisner.encompasserve.org... 5 >> Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote in messagee: > news:<howard-B6B6CA.12224304052003@enews.newsguy.com>... >> >" >> > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+" >> > | d | i | g | i | t | a | l |" >> > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> > >> >' >> > ...or did you mean something else?r >> >>   From an old office sign:n >>% >>    The |i|d|i|g|a|t|l| difference.e >> > K > I once visited a site where they had inverted the 'd' and re-arranged then > rest to read >|p|i|g|t|a|i|l| > ...:-)  D Yes, but I think the one abovve is a pun about byte-ordering.  Or is it something much more subtle?   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 11:10:43 -0700P- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell)rB Subject: Re: HELP: SCA Traffic - Transmit Sequence Packet Timeouts= Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0305061010.19057251@posting.google.com>o  u keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message news:<cf15391e.0305051231.72b93b0@posting.google.com>...i; > jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) wrote in message oE > > We have noticed some errors with our SCA traffic in two differents4 > > clusters, we are getting about 800 errors a day. > F > The error count for SeqPkt Timeouts matches that of Retransmits.  ItG > appears PEDRIVER believes some (relatively small) fraction of packetsUG > are getting dropped, and is retransmitting them.  You could check the E > ReRcv (Re-Receive) counters in SDA -- if you see counts there, that G > means a packet was received more than once, so likely the Ack for themF > packet was lost (or excessively delayed), and PEDRIVER retransmittedC > the packet as a result.  If the ReRcv counts are low, the packetsn? > themselves, rather than their Acks, are likely what got lost.o > B > On the Cisco 6509s, you could check the counters for things likeD > Discard Out errors, to see if the Ciscos are aware of dropping any
 > packets.   Keith,  E Thanks for your accurate response!  The ReRcv Seq (as shown using MCRpE SCACP SHOW VC/SDA) count is within a packet of the Retransmits of the > partner node.  So, either the switch is taking too long or theA tolerance is set too tightly on the host.  Is there a place I canf2 check (and possibly change) the timeout tolerance?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:58:23 GMTo9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>tE Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todde/ Message-ID: <3EB802B4.278D46F2@eps.zko.dec.com>a   David Froble wrote:k  U > In article <b96ebd$hru$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:o    :T    paraphrased:  Alpha was replaced by Itanium as a result of the hp - cmpaq merger.  C     Hein:  Nonsense. The move to itanium was decided years earlier.lR               The  single biggest event in that revolution was the 'alpha sale' to Intell. (bob Palmer)     >  I have to askP > what story will be concocted when in 2005 IA-64 still hasn't caught up to EV7?  > The Itanium II caught up in 2002, about 6 months ago @1.0 Ghz.D The 2003 Itanium (Madison) @1.5 Ghz is outperforming Alpha big time.  T As much as this saddens me personally it would seem to suggest that it was the right decisionD to stop pumpiming money into to Alpha and go with the (intell) flow.  ? My immediate reference for this is the SAP SD 2-tier benchmark.oD 4-p Madison @1.5 Ghz = 860 users, 4-p McKinley @1.0 Ghz = 600 users.F 32-p Marvel @1 4-p ES45 @1.15Ghz = 4500 users --> about 600 user / 4p.@ 4-p ES45 @1.0Ghz = 420 users. --> 1.25 would be about 520 users.  W Now if we could just build a big fast smp system, like a marvel,  fast enough to handle  oodles of them... U In the mean time the Superdome solution will have to do, and will do very nicely (See: recent 650K  TPC-C).   Just my personal observations, Hein.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:32:24 +0200. From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>E Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd-2 Message-ID: <b992u8$k3e$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Hein van den Heuvel wrote: >  > David Froble wrote:  >  > U >>In article <b96ebd$hru$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:J >  >    :V >    paraphrased:  Alpha was replaced by Itanium as a result of the hp - cmpaq merger. > E >     Hein:  Nonsense. The move to itanium was decided years earlier.oT >               The  single biggest event in that revolution was the 'alpha sale' to > Intell. (bob Palmer) >  >  >  >> I have to askP >>what story will be concocted when in 2005 IA-64 still hasn't caught up to EV7? >  > @ > The Itanium II caught up in 2002, about 6 months ago @1.0 Ghz.F > The 2003 Itanium (Madison) @1.5 Ghz is outperforming Alpha big time. > V > As much as this saddens me personally it would seem to suggest that it was the right
 > decisionF > to stop pumpiming money into to Alpha and go with the (intell) flow. > A > My immediate reference for this is the SAP SD 2-tier benchmark. F > 4-p Madison @1.5 Ghz = 860 users, 4-p McKinley @1.0 Ghz = 600 users.H > 32-p Marvel @1 4-p ES45 @1.15Ghz = 4500 users --> about 600 user / 4p.    ^------------^lB > 4-p ES45 @1.0Ghz = 420 users. --> 1.25 would be about 520 users.  D Excuse me, but it seems the figures for the 32-p Marvel are missing.O And could we have the figures for a 4-p ES47 too please ? That is a 2003 Alpha h in my view.t   > Y > Now if we could just build a big fast smp system, like a marvel,  fast enough to handlel > oodles of them...IW > In the mean time the Superdome solution will have to do, and will do very nicely (Sees > recent 650K  TPC-C). >   > Just my personal observations, > Hein.n >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:12:45 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>dE Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Toddl/ Message-ID: <3EB82230.3C19E645@eps.zko.dec.com>    Dirk Munk wrote:   > Hein van den Heuvel wrote: >e     :w  C > > My immediate reference for this is the SAP SD 2-tier benchmark.cH > > 4-p Madison @1.5 Ghz = 860 users, 4-p McKinley @1.0 Ghz = 600 users.J > > 32-p Marvel @1 4-p ES45 @1.15Ghz = 4500 users --> about 600 user / 4p. >    ^------------^aD > > 4-p ES45 @1.0Ghz = 420 users. --> 1.25 would be about 520 users. >yF > Excuse me, but it seems the figures for the 32-p Marvel are missing.P > And could we have the figures for a 4-p ES47 too please ? That is a 2003 Alpha
 > in my view.t >   L Oops.... the data point was there, but garbled. Typo. That should have read:  E   32-p Marvel @1.15Ghz = 4500 users --> suggests about 600 user / 4p. J    4-p ES45   @1.0Ghz  =  420 users --> @1.25Ghz would be about 520 users.  R The two hard alpha numbers above were certified (as were the Itanium Hpux results). See:  http://www.sap.com/benchmark/sd2tier.asp  U You can only speculate about a possible ES47 result as no such results was certified.oE It is against those benchmark rules to publish an uncertified result.e] It should be clear though that an ES47 4P will not be slower then 1/8 of the 32P (582) resultt/ as any benchmark has some negative SMP scaling.o[ Mind you, the Marvel/Tru64 solution scaled exceptionally well for this benchmark because a) ] it is a darn good box with low memory latencies and b) sap-sd partitions really easily and c)sR Tru64 has easy and powerfull cpu/rad affinity tools (runon pset/rad/cpu, nmmap,..) .  Met vriendelijke groetjes, Hein.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:59:29 +0000 (UTC)+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)mE Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Toddn+ Message-ID: <b99b81$hl0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>o  k In article <3EB802B4.278D46F2@eps.zko.dec.com>, Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> writes:  >u >a >David Froble wrote: >wV >> In article <b96ebd$hru$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: >   : U >   paraphrased:  Alpha was replaced by Itanium as a result of the hp - cmpaq merger.  >rD >    Hein:  Nonsense. The move to itanium was decided years earlier.S >              The  single biggest event in that revolution was the 'alpha sale' to  >Intell. (bob Palmer)c >k >  >>  I have to askxQ >> what story will be concocted when in 2005 IA-64 still hasn't caught up to EV7?u >e? >The Itanium II caught up in 2002, about 6 months ago @1.0 Ghz.lE >The 2003 Itanium (Madison) @1.5 Ghz is outperforming Alpha big time.h >eU >As much as this saddens me personally it would seem to suggest that it was the righte	 >decisionhE >to stop pumpiming money into to Alpha and go with the (intell) flow.  >a@ >My immediate reference for this is the SAP SD 2-tier benchmark.E >4-p Madison @1.5 Ghz = 860 users, 4-p McKinley @1.0 Ghz = 600 users.mG >32-p Marvel @1 4-p ES45 @1.15Ghz = 4500 users --> about 600 user / 4p.aA >4-p ES45 @1.0Ghz = 420 users. --> 1.25 would be about 520 users.t >eX >Now if we could just build a big fast smp system, like a marvel,  fast enough to handle >oodles of them...V >In the mean time the Superdome solution will have to do, and will do very nicely (See >recent 650K  TPC-C).b >  >Just my personal observations,) >Hein. >   % The ES45's are EV68 NOT EV7 systems. a  E To be comparing with EV7 systems you'd need to find a benchmark usingy
 ES47 systems.-    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:50:26 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzcE Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd $ Message-ID: <3eb857b7.17145243@news>  F On Tue, 06 May 2003 11:34:42 -0400, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   >pP >I don't know if it's true, but I've heard in the past that during the reign of M >the Soviet Union, it was taught that it was a Russian that first flew.  The -7 >Wright Brothers must have been some capitolistic myth.m >oD Yes, but you in the US are taught that it was th Wright brothers who; flew first with no mention of any possible contenders. See:k. http://www.destination.co.nz/temuka/pearse.htm  @ It seems Pearse did not quantify a "flight" a success until he'dA completed a successful landing rather than crashing into a hedge!n   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 23:11:00 -0500m+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) E Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Toddi3 Message-ID: <Bmythi5WF2LA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <3EB802B4.278D46F2@eps.zko.dec.com>, Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> writes:d   > O > Now if we could just build a big fast smp system, like a marvel,  fast [soon].$ > enough to handle oodles of them...L > In the mean time the Superdome solution will have to do, and will do very " > nicely (See recent 650K  TPC-C). >   < 	This I dare say is obvious.  The EV7 technology is in their= 	hands.  The commodization of high-end CPU will mean draggingdD 	memory controllers AND network switches on to the CPU (glueless SMP= 	as we know it).  Driving down the cost greatly.  EngineeringfE 	resources further getting redirected as HP/Dell/IBM can fuhget aboutl 	those things.  B 	All this borne out by Clair Grant in October 1998 in LA regardingB 	"future high-end servers consisting of building block components"= 	and he pointing out that Digital/Compaq wasn't alone headings@ 	in that direction (wonder if he saw the worm turning to Intel).  > 	So the value add *MUST* come from services/software as little> 	will be left to the collective engineering imagination *WHEN*? 	Intel drags glueless on-CPU and sells it at a very fair price.    				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:55:47 GMTr& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>F Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!8 Message-ID: <rd1gbv4hobaellg4uflu2drmse5hqs4vaf@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 05 May 2003 14:30:32 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Keith Parris wrote:C >> recommend), and the record there seems to indicate that Compaq'snD >> decision to move from Alpha to Itanium occurred before the merger >> discussions started.  > U >Well, when they killed NT on Alpha, it seems to me that the decision had been taken.r >cL >However, what I think happened is that Carly precipitated the process whichO >resulted in the premature murder of Alpha, otherwise, Compaq would have waitedb$ >longer before announcing its plans.  I I'm curious.  On what information exactly do you base your assertion thateI Compaq would have waited longer?  I like a good conspiracy theory as mucheC as everyone else, but I expect a bit more backing before I'll starte believing in them.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:14:07 GMTy9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>oF Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!. Message-ID: <3QTta.361$2F.40@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:dn+2QdCRHIqv@eisner.encompasserve.org...MC > In article <qtRta.342$eB.153@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"n) <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:s >lL > > No longer true.  We had been doing many "temporary" things to get going.J > > These are now all going away as we have developed our understanding of thenJ > > FW and HW.  Many of the issues with the Itanium 1 were more about it'sJ > > generic PC roots.  As of this writing, a single disk, and a single set of0 > > routines boot the i2000, rx2600, and zx2000. > > K > > We will very likely break the Itanium 1 support at some point, since welK > > don't plan on shipping on any Itanium 1 systems.  Probably due to newerIF > > compiler code generation and not wanting to ship code compiled for Itaniuml > > 1. >oD > That brings up an interesting difference between Alpha and ItaniumD > as I understand it.  Itanium is more RISC-like if you believe thatD > RISC means "Relegate Important Stuff to Compilers".  While EV7 hadB > out of order execution that was supposed to not require compilerC > knowledge, I have read that Itanium feature additions depend moree > on compiler knowledge. >tG > So it might be that shipping a version compiled for the older versiona& > hurts more on Itanium than on Alpha.  K They both hurt.  Compiling code on Alpha "generic" can leave a large amounteK of performance on the table, depending on what the code is doing.  The sameeJ will be true for Itanium over time.  The painful logistics are: how do youL ship and support multiple-images - something we failed to address on Alpha -K even though there was a potential benefit.  We came up with generic ways to E do it, but except for a few exceptions (like some of the graphics DDXt@ images) we never actually shipped images compiled for, say, EV6.  L I expect that this is something we will eventually have to tackle.  The goodI news is that since Itanium 1 will never be offcially supported by VMS, weoJ won't have to worry about compatability issues there, and the next severalH Itanium chips do not appear to need architecture-specific recompilation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 17:52:34 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>F Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd!) Message-ID: <3EB82E93.262B58FD@istop.com>    jlsue wrote:K > I'm curious.  On what information exactly do you base your assertion that K > Compaq would have waited longer?  I like a good conspiracy theory as much4E > as everyone else, but I expect a bit more backing before I'll start  > believing in them.  J Carly admitted that she had begun dicusssions with Curly in early June (or= perhaps even late may). They were quite detailed discussions.u  K Just as Pfeiffer had told Palmer to get rid of certain things before CompaqiH could buy Digital, I am convinced Carly told Curly to get rid of certain/ things before the marriage could be announced. f  N We know that Compaq had seriously considered killing VMS in 2000 if I rememberL correctly. But they realised that they needed the revenus. Now, if VMS/AlphaH were kept only because of revenus, why would they have jeoperdized thoseI revenus in 2001 ? It would have been far smarter for Compaq to announce aoM project to transform VMS into a less platform dependant OS, and a year or two4I later, announce that as a result of this, they would also port it to IA64   which would not be an easy task.  M What Compaq was really after is a quick cash infusion from Intel and the onlyqK way to do this was to cananbalise Alpha and hand over the remains/slaves to H Intel in exchange for an undisclosed summ of money. This would have madeR Compaq look better as a takeover target since it woudl be more compatible with HP.  L It is fairly obvious that Compaq had a plan to phase out Alpha. But in 2000,K when they were forced to keep VMS because of the revenus, I think that theydJ had to postpone that plan indefinitely. But when HP came along, they couldK implement it because they no longer needed the VMS revenus in the long termh# since HP would take care of things.e  J Please remember that Compaq never wanted to reveal real hard numbers aboutI VMS. (revenus, profits). And they never did publicly reveal those to Wall M Street, knowing full well that analysts might not apreciate compaq/hp hurtingt their cash cow..   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:31:30 -0400% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>-< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6/ Message-ID: <vbfvt8qqk5gv61@news.supernews.com>t  A "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in messagem9 news:xsRta.227937$Si4.183505@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...8J > In article <YLNta.98957$M81.96435@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,% "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:c > >Today's the day.> > >eG > >If I'm able to spare the time to listen to the webcast, I'm going to B > >keep score of just how many times each o/s is mentioned and theE > >emphasis each is given (ie. some mentions may just be 'throw-away'76 > >mentions as in 'Oh, there's that VMS thing we own'. > <snip> >oJ > I can't seem to view the webcast, even though I registered, and "tested" myL > ability to view the webcast by viewing the sample "Cooltown" advertisement$ > using WinMP on Win2K Professional. > 2 > Is anyone else having problems with the webcast?  J It didn't work for me.   It's still "Waiting for the webcast to start...".   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:33:48 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6. Message-ID: <v6Uta.756859$L1.213774@sccrnsc02>  W In article <vbfvt8qqk5gv61@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:nB >"Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in message: >news:xsRta.227937$Si4.183505@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... <snip>3 >> Is anyone else having problems with the webcast?w >nK >It didn't work for me.   It's still "Waiting for the webcast to start...".  >L  M The webcast was designed to announce HP's "Adaptive Enterprise Strategy"; theEL word "adaptive" was (of course) beaten to death, despite the usual dearth ofM detail.  Am I being too cynical, but have I heard the same pitch before, froms other companies?  L I was finally able to begin viewing about 1 hr, 20 min. into the webcast.  IL was told by the webcast folks that I "needed to download the slides" 20 min.I before the start of the webcast (?)  The webcast folks were at least nice-L enough to put me on the audio portion of the 'cast, beginning about 30 min.  into the presentation.  O Blackmore spoke for about 25 min.  The "three platforms" are Windows, Unix, and-L Linux (order may not be important here).  NSK was mentioned *very* briefly aI couple of times.  He spent a minute or two talking about clustering - ourtI favorite OS was not mentioned, but "Unix" and "SuperDome" were mentioned.h  F Blackmore and Carly are both impressive speakers; Livermore was not asK polished.  I stopped watching about half-way through Carly's "wrap-up".  I uM heard no mention of our favorite OS in the 2+ hours that I witnessed.  There e; was no effort to differentiate Unix into "HP-UX" or "Tru64"   8 John, did you get anyone to take you up on your bet?	:-)  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"u   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 22:20:45 GMTP# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>I< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6I Message-ID: <1zWta.123409$kYH.48671@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>-  A "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in message ( news:v6Uta.756859$L1.213774@sccrnsc02...@ > In article <vbfvt8qqk5gv61@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:D > >"Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in message< > >news:xsRta.227937$Si4.183505@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... > <snip>5 > >> Is anyone else having problems with the webcast?. > >rB > >It didn't work for me.   It's still "Waiting for the webcast to
 start...". > >  >n@ > The webcast was designed to announce HP's "Adaptive Enterprise Strategy"; theD > word "adaptive" was (of course) beaten to death, despite the usual	 dearth ofCB > detail.  Am I being too cynical, but have I heard the same pitch before, from > other companies? >aB > I was finally able to begin viewing about 1 hr, 20 min. into the webcast.  I-F > was told by the webcast folks that I "needed to download the slides" 20 min.JF > before the start of the webcast (?)  The webcast folks were at least niceE > enough to put me on the audio portion of the 'cast, beginning aboutm 30 min.w > into the presentation. >w> > Blackmore spoke for about 25 min.  The "three platforms" are Windows, Unix, andD > Linux (order may not be important here).  NSK was mentioned *very*	 briefly aa: > couple of times.  He spent a minute or two talking about clustering - our@ > favorite OS was not mentioned, but "Unix" and "SuperDome" were
 mentioned. >uE > Blackmore and Carly are both impressive speakers; Livermore was not  as> > polished.  I stopped watching about half-way through Carly's
 "wrap-up".  Id< > heard no mention of our favorite OS in the 2+ hours that I witnessed.  Theret= > was no effort to differentiate Unix into "HP-UX" or "Tru64"p > : > John, did you get anyone to take you up on your bet? :-)    F Unfortunately not. ....probably should have wagered with Ladbroke's in London or some bookie in Vegas.e  F I didn't get to listen to the webcast either, as a client called me upD and wanted to do lunch. I'll have to listen to it in the next couple< of days - it's supposed to be available on-line for 30 days.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:41:30 -0400F* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6) Message-ID: <3EB84814.E085A361@istop.com>e   John Smith wrote:k > H > What do you think the odds they don't mention VMS in a meaningful way,# > ie. at least as evident as HP-UX?C  F > http://www.viewinfo.net/hpwebcastmay6/?mtxs=home-ent&mtxb=B2&mtxl=L1  N For those who can't be bothered with HP's cumbersome HTML/javascript/java, youM can get to the boradcast directly with the microsoft windows media player to:l( http://hpmsstream1.com/0_2600/0_1360.wmv    M If HP had made it possible for me to use netscape to view their presentation,pM I wouldn't have had to hack their html to find out where the presentation wasw. location to bypass all their silly javascript.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:19:10 -0400u* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6) Message-ID: <3EB850E5.36DAC8EB@istop.com>a  I An era where CEOs and CIOs understand technology better than ever before.y  M "The adaptive enterprise". Speed of adapting to new events is key to success./   "First we simplify"o 	processes, applications, E Then we standardize, so we are using common components, open systems.m  K Darwin Reference Architecture is the HP trendy phrase of the day. It is allr/ about a company being able to adapt and change.c    0 At merger time: HP/Compaq had 1200 network sites 215,000 desktops 49,000 network devicesQ 1000 web servers, 3million pages of content. 11 million unique vistors per month.C 22,000 servers 228,000 mailboxes  26 million emails per week    Used the term "plan of record".   H HP's corporate IT is managed by HP Services. (comment: thus inflating HP services' numbers)  K HP rolled out Peoplesoft 8.0. Largest Peoplesoft installation in the world.U  I Technology should be simple enough that you don't have to hand it over toa< someone with binoculars and pixie dust (a jab at IBM's ads).  N HP should do your company because HP was able to sucesfully merge and thus its# expertise applies to your company.    N carly took 30 minutes to say somethint that could have been said in 8 minutes.P The rest of the time was all politician-speak (talking without saying anything).  L The thing is 2 hours long. will continue to listen to it later on, there are5 more important thing to watch tonight, such as 24 :-)n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:28:54 -0400% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>3< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6/ Message-ID: <vbgkqm5b9m31dd@news.supernews.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageW# news:3EB84814.E085A361@istop.com...p > John Smith wrote:e > > J > > What do you think the odds they don't mention VMS in a meaningful way,% > > ie. at least as evident as HP-UX?r >eH > > http://www.viewinfo.net/hpwebcastmay6/?mtxs=home-ent&mtxb=B2&mtxl=L1 >aL > For those who can't be bothered with HP's cumbersome HTML/javascript/java, youiK > can get to the boradcast directly with the microsoft windows media player- to:a* > http://hpmsstream1.com/0_2600/0_1360.wmv >e >(A > If HP had made it possible for me to use netscape to view theirs
 presentation,0K > I wouldn't have had to hack their html to find out where the presentationj wasN0 > location to bypass all their silly javascript.  L This is just the video.  If you can get their site to actually work, you get video and Powerpoint slides.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:08:23 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6) Message-ID: <3EB8868F.5D9C7439@istop.com>n   Just to summarize:  K They stretched 15 minutes worth of content into 2 long hours and 14 minutestO and chose not to mention VMS when they mentioned their other operating systems.   L Sorry, but in the end, ther *IS* a clear message in that empty presentation:N VMS is not part of HP's core product offering and is not part of its strategy.  ( Neither Blackmore or Carly mentioned it.   There was NO EXCUSE.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:06:35 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6) Message-ID: <3EB88624.DDC5C302@istop.com>-  # More tidbits from the presentation.   % Darwin: platform for managing change.0  8 Embraces legacy environments, heterogenous environments.   Standards based framework.  M Model of basing on industry standard which results in best price performance.B  L HP Services can act as "operator" to your data centre using its own tools toK remotely monitor your systems and then advise your operators when a problemF% arises or even take remedial actions.F  / Lists of OS named by the Shane Robinson fellow. $ Services level: XML, Soap, Grid etc.) Adaptive level: UDDI, Web, Security, Grid0& Resource level: IPF, Linux, Windows.  / Our 3 operating system strategy : HPUX-NT-LinuxY   Supports .NET and J2EE.    Superdome, NonStop mentioned.   E "Utility data centre" -> virtualised data-centre. Openview mentioned.   L Ok, this is getting funny. He is just about to roll a video demontrating theM advantages of "Utility Data Centre". Supposedly they have implemented this in:N a computer room in such a way that if they detect that one part of the room isJ too hot, they can shift computing to other servers in the computer room to4 even out heat production. Is this a comedy or what ?  D OK, they have a robot that walks around the room to take temperatureM measurements.  (have they ever considered putting multiple temperature probes . ? They have 400 servers in that computer room.  J (Of course no mention that Digital had Galaxy with dynamic load balancing,I they think that they invented the thing for their little wintel thingies.D  M <presentation by various large customers who said abosolutely nothing, what atO waste of time, no surprise since it was presented by a gartner representative>.e  K Oh, one good tidbit: one customer mentioned he was a Compaq customer and "IsQ guess I was lucky because the systems I was using were selected to stick around".e    Q Ok, finally over with customers. Now Ann Livermore. ( 01:13:00 into presentation)r  F USD $25,000 will get you 2 weeks of HP Services to get a document that measures your IT agility.s    K <comment> So, pay a few million to get that very rigid SAP implemented, andhJ then hire HP to tell you you are not agile enough to implement changes and+ what IT infrastructure is slowing you down.e  < This is the type of gobbledeegook one has to listen through: ""L Adaptive Application Architecture: set of services that layout methodologiesD and processes to help customers move to move adaptive architectures. ""  I In other words: I've been told to speak for XX minutes but I have nothing  concrete to offer.  L Adaptive Network Architecture: virtualise and extend your corporate network.M Redesiging the underlying network to better match your business processes. InaP real terms: hire us to reprogram your routers but she couldn't say it so simply.  J <comment: did they have to pay the audience to stay seated for the whole 2N hours 14 minutes and 8 seconds of this time wasting presentation ?) Or was the applause faked/taped ?  M <ok, now onto peter blackmore at about 1:30:00. Maybe he'll mention VMS or ath least something concrete>m  E HP wants to service not only the IT infrastructure, but also businessfE processes. (is HP wanting to bcome one of those consulting firms likeo Anderson, KPMG, etc ?)  M Leadership cross industry standard systems for Business. Unix, Windows, Linuxa5 Others we provide: NonStop. (VMS  **NOT** MENTIONED).t  M PaRisc is the leading Risc technology today. (admission that IA64 isn't readyL for prime time ?)i* Mention that IA64 is coming to be faster.    Leadership in .NET.y  K HP has world's faster servers running IA64. World's fastest computer in theD planet - for that application.  E Leadereship in partitioning and clustering. IBM regatta doesn't matchp Superdome's clustering.t (Again *VMS* NOT MENTIONED)1  0 Leading market share in Linux, Unix and Windows.  M Ok, more precision: Seems that they are extending Openview to manage businessy7 processes and be more proactive (self-healing buzzword)   H HP provides 94% of infrastrcture for Amazon.com. Added Linux to their IT1 infrastructure to save 20% over previous systems.r  @ <1:55:00 passed, no mention of VMS. 22 minutes left of bullshit>   Some video follows.tD "HP's adaptive architecture enables crucial transformational change"@ Oh, and now steve balmer from microsoft extoling how good HP is.  K OK, Carly's back for the wrap up. Hurry up, I want to get something to eat.i This has been soooo booooring.   Oh, a gem from carly:uM Adaptive enterprise reference architecture will focus our future investments.l  F <should I read thi into: we'll target our investents only on "industry standard" ?>  6 ok, 4 more minutes to go. Hurry up. This is So boring.  ' OK, final closing video of 1.5 minutes.@   Ahhhhh ! finally, it is over.a  K If HP is such a great company, why do they waste so much customer,s time bylL babbling about in such extended presentations that could have been shortenedK to 15 minutes ? I really don't recall HP announcing anything really new andwE concrete in there, except for thet $25,000 for 2 weeks of consulting..   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:53:18 -0400: From: Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com>P Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBMmonopoly. Message-ID: <eqs89b.qtr.ln@escape.shannon.net>  D In article <b98j13$qnn$3@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:  , > But how do you explain the Mars candy bar?  B Oh, we eat a lot of things made by people who died out long ago...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:55:55 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>m. Subject: Itanic 2: Is Intel getting desperate?' Message-ID: <3EB8599B.DFD6D386@fsi.net>r  C Y'all're gonna hate me for pulling a "Bob C." here. This came in my  InfoWorld daily update today...   : http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/06/18NNintel_1.html  H By introducing an "Execution Layer", Intel is essentially coming up withE "Charon-IA32" allowing Itanic to run IA32 code at respectable speeds.3  F Might this be a response to a perceived threat in the form of Opteron?  A Maybe someone could commercialize SIMH and call it "VAX/EL", huh?g   -- . David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 02:16:17 GMT ) From: bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>e2 Subject: Re: Itanic 2: Is Intel getting desperate?/ Message-ID: <3EB86C9C.1030307@bellatlantic.net>n   David J. Dachtera wrote:E > Y'all're gonna hate me for pulling a "Bob C." here. This came in my-! > InfoWorld daily update today...  > < > http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/06/18NNintel_1.html > J > By introducing an "Execution Layer", Intel is essentially coming up withG > "Charon-IA32" allowing Itanic to run IA32 code at respectable speeds.m > H > Might this be a response to a perceived threat in the form of Opteron? > C > Maybe someone could commercialize SIMH and call it "VAX/EL", huh?s >   % or does it have parts of FX!32 in it?a   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:01:35 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)( Subject: Re: Java "Unknown host" problem. Message-ID: <b994av$nbe$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   ashoffman@comcast.net (Alan Hoffman) writes in article <838d7cb0.0305060756.51f21008@posting.google.com> dated 6 May 2003 08:56:25 -0700: E >I'm using Java 1.4.0-1 on OpenVMS 7.3-1. When I start my application @ >there is about a 2 minute time where nothing happens, after theD >timeout the message "Unknown host: WSA1" shows up on the screen andD >then my application starts and runs fine. Can anyone tell me how toD >eliminate the 2 minute timeout and the "Unknown host" message? I'veG >just started using OpenVMS so I'm not very familiar with how it works.a% >My application does simple file I/O.   D My demo app starts out by saying "Unknown host: _WSA64" (WSA64 is myK Decwindows display device) and then runs.  The delay is only about 10 secs,  though.   J If I bypass the WSA device with "DEF DECW$DISPLAY my-xterm:0.0", I get the3 same amount of delay but no "Unknown host" message.u  L How's your nameserver configuration?  Try "TCPIP SHOW HOST WSA1" and see how? long that takes.  (I'm assuming you use Compaq's tcp/ip stack.)d  H Some commands which may be enlightening if you don't know what a WSA is:       $ show log decw$display      $ show dev wsa1      $ show display wsa1d     $ show display wsa1 /symbolP  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org8> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 13:55:18 -04000" From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.nbet>2 Subject: Re: license generation question revisited8 Message-ID: <5mtfbvgmv2m637vgkvrvhu9jth2g98o8nj@4ax.com>  - On Tue, 06 May 2003 05:37:18 GMT, "Mark Buda" ) <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> wrote:e, >Let me know if this answers your questions.  3 wow! talk about massive documentation. appreciated. < I couldn't find the link for the support page you mentioned,. so I fired of an email to DSPP support anyhow.  3 Not sure how to get a TOKEN string, but I'll finish$/ reading all the docs before I get back to that.u  
 thanks again!    B.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:48:49 GMTl4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>2 Subject: Re: license generation question revisited/ Message-ID: <lsTta.356$TM.131@news.cpqcorp.net>N  / "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.nbet> wrote in messagei2 news:5mtfbvgmv2m637vgkvrvhu9jth2g98o8nj@4ax.com...5 > wow! talk about massive documentation. appreciated.P> > I couldn't find the link for the support page you mentioned,0 > so I fired of an email to DSPP support anyhow. >?5 > Not sure how to get a TOKEN string, but I'll finisho1 > reading all the docs before I get back to that..  G We will document the usage of PAKGEN along with the associated calls inrF a future release of VMS.  That should give you a good start on what to expect.p  G DSPP is the place to get the PAKGEN PAK that would enable one to createe PAKs for their products.  9 Note that only DSPP company members can get a PAKGEN PAK.s  2 For more information about DSPP, see the portal atH http://www.hp.com/go/developer/    U.S. developers may call 800.249.3294  # I hope that answers your questions.    --  
 Sincerely,	 Mark Buda  Hewlett-Packard Company  VMS Engineeringh 110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57l Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969p FAX: (603) 884-34513   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:13:11 -0500y( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>2 Subject: Re: license generation question revisited/ Message-ID: <vbgndhb4da0049@corp.supernews.com>   % On 5/6/2003 1:48 PM, Mark Buda wrote: 1 > "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.nbet> wrote in message-4 > news:5mtfbvgmv2m637vgkvrvhu9jth2g98o8nj@4ax.com... > 5 >>wow! talk about massive documentation. appreciated.s> >>I couldn't find the link for the support page you mentioned,0 >>so I fired of an email to DSPP support anyhow. >>5 >>Not sure how to get a TOKEN string, but I'll finishn1 >>reading all the docs before I get back to that.r >  > I > We will document the usage of PAKGEN along with the associated calls insH > a future release of VMS.  That should give you a good start on what to	 > expect.r > I > DSPP is the place to get the PAKGEN PAK that would enable one to createe > PAKs for their products. > ; > Note that only DSPP company members can get a PAKGEN PAK.p > 4 > For more information about DSPP, see the portal atJ > http://www.hp.com/go/developer/    U.S. developers may call 800.249.3294 > % > I hope that answers your questions.o >  > -- >  > Sincerely, > Mark Buda  > Hewlett-Packard Companyu > VMS Engineeringe > 110 Spitbrook Road > MS: ZK3-4/X57  > Nashua, NH 03062 > Voice: (603) 884-1969  > FAX: (603) 884-3451m >  >  >  >   F Thanks for the information.  I was under the mistaken impression that E the DSPP company membership was more of an involved/expensive/hassle lG that it really is.  Come to find out, it doesn't cost anything and the  C only real requirement is that your company develop software for HP  B platforms or provide services for HP products.  That is Fantastic!   Michaelh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:09:33 -0400e! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>k2 Subject: Re: license generation question revisited8 Message-ID: <h4ugbvcsmlhmse5jtkmev4fjmi1ahaur7c@4ax.com>  - On Tue, 06 May 2003 18:48:49 GMT, "Mark Buda"l) <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> wrote:r3 >For more information about DSPP, see the portal at-I >http://www.hp.com/go/developer/    U.S. developers may call 800.249.32942 >x$ >I hope that answers your questions.  
 partially.A I managed to follow the links and try for the poring and whatever@3 support links. I got to the point of emailing them.p  C Guess what HP emailed me back? <hint: I almost died laughing when It read it>  E yes HP responded asking me for my HP Pavilion BIOS version, Serial #,.? etc. uhm.... I was unaware HP Pavilions could run VMS or PAKGENe  	 oy vey ;)    B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:10:15 -0400n! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> 2 Subject: Re: license generation question revisited8 Message-ID: <f7ugbvcgtmgkr11f47i59fvgrjrv9ef1na@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 06 May 2003 20:13:11 -0500, Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com> wrote:G >Thanks for the information.  I was under the mistaken impression that uF >the DSPP company membership was more of an involved/expensive/hassle H >that it really is.  Come to find out, it doesn't cost anything and the D >only real requirement is that your company develop software for HP C >platforms or provide services for HP products.  That is Fantastic!w >  >Michael  - <in my BEST Monty Burns voice-> Excellent! ;)e   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:16:10 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>( Subject: Re: Migrate email to VMS server) Message-ID: <3EB809F5.282496B1@istop.com>5  I > Or, maybe, it could go in and edit each MAIL.MAI file's contents. SincevJ > this is an indexed file, you might be able to look up the newly insertedI > messages - especially if you stick them in a folder of known name whereP" > there aren't any other messages.  N It is in times like these that I appreciate ALL-IN-1. The scripting allows youK to do such things as importying messages and massaging the reply address toaN fit the environment quite easily (assuming you have the application provileges) to do this, which I have given myself :-)0  L From a management of documents/emails, ALL-IN-1 still beats the pants off ofL VMS MAIL. The one thint that is almost a show stopped in VMS mail is that itL is incapable of filing sent message into an "OUTBOX" folder. The only way isL for it to send a copy to yourself in the CC and it arrives as a new message.  L This is why I still maintain, and especially since Capellas killed ALL-IN-1,G that there needs to be a much needed upgrade of VMS mail to adapt it to  current environments.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 11:30:22 -0700m, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya); Subject: Re: OpenVMS discussion family added to ITRC Forums = Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0305061030.5bf6e20f@posting.google.com>u   Sounds Good :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:45:56 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!I) Message-ID: <3EB810EE.4B74BC55@istop.com>g   Bill Todd wrote:H > Not in *our* reality:  the 80386 appeared in 1986 (unless my memory is" > faulty and it appeared in 1985).  F Ok perhaps, i was thinking of Pentium III. (was that the 486 or 586 ?)  H At what point did the 8086 acquire the 4 adressing modes that would have; allowed VMS to run on it ? Was it pre-Alpha or post Alpha ?d   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 17:36 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)h? Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium port progressing well says Gorham!l, Message-ID: <6MAY200317363432@gerg.tamu.edu>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes... }Bill Todd wrote:oI }> Not in *our* reality:  the 80386 appeared in 1986 (unless my memory iss# }> faulty and it appeared in 1985).e } G }Ok perhaps, i was thinking of Pentium III. (was that the 486 or 586 ?)g  C The P-III would be the 786, if that numbering scheme had continued.a  
 Pentium = 586t Pentium II = 686 Pentium III = 786d Pentium 4 = 886r  I (Actually, the P4 is also pretty much the "986" - it has undergone enoughSI changes that the newer varieties should probably be called the Pentium 5,nI but aren't. They appear to be messing up the naming, and even the variousaF code letters applied to them, on purpose - like why they came out withE both a "2.0 GHz P4" and a "2.0A GHz P4", which are not quite the same>J thing. They now have a "C" code on some of them that are just coming out -D these are the ones with the 200 MHz, quad data rate for an effectiveG 800 MHz data transfer rate, frontside buss. Of course, not all of theseKF have the "C" code, just some of them. Thus, they are screwing up their( own naming scheme on purpose yet again.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:43:27 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>t: Subject: Re: Pinout of power connector on DECserver 90TL ?& Message-ID: <3EB8024F.3070104@iee.org>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:e: > I'v got a DECserver 90TL (DSRVE-M), but no power supply.: > The unit needs +5v and +12v, but I don't have the pinout, > of the round power connector on the back . > Anyone having this ?  8 I'm sure I've found this in the past on the www.dnpg.com7 website. Naturally, I can't manage to find it right now 
 though ...  = Failing that, if you can remember which of the various stylesa9 of PSU it takes, someone could just put a meter on it for 8 you (I'll do it if noone else manages to find one before+ the weekend, but you'll have to remind me).d   Antonio-     -- a   --   ---------------e- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 22:53:28 +0200c9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> : Subject: Re: Pinout of power connector on DECserver 90TL ?' Message-ID: <3EB820C8.D573BAF9@aaa.com>y  D I got one PSU delivered with the DS90TL called H7625-AA, but I don't8 think that's the right one. One source on the net says :A "H7625-AA, POWERSUPPLY DETRX-SX". The DS90TL is called "DSRVE-M".r> I'v checked the pinout of this PSU, and opened the DS90TL, and AFAICS, they don't match up.  E (And I got the DECserver for nothing, so I can't blame *that* guy...)p  @ Now, this DS90TL-MA can also be installed in a DEChub-90, so one= could perhaps power up (or just open) one of those and check a2 on what pins the power is delivered. Well, well...  	 Jan-Erik.          Antonio Carlini wrote: >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:I< > > I'v got a DECserver 90TL (DSRVE-M), but no power supply.< > > The unit needs +5v and +12v, but I don't have the pinout. > > of the round power connector on the back . > > Anyone having this ? > : > I'm sure I've found this in the past on the www.dnpg.com9 > website. Naturally, I can't manage to find it right nowi > though ... > ? > Failing that, if you can remember which of the various styles ; > of PSU it takes, someone could just put a meter on it forA: > you (I'll do it if noone else manages to find one before- > the weekend, but you'll have to remind me).  > 	 > Antoniol >  > -- >  > -- >  > ---------------l/ > Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgi   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 13:04:36 -0500h; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: pipe search questiont3 Message-ID: <2rrgsPzvI4HL@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBNHCAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:l > It appears  that > 3 > $ pipe sear file string1 | sear sys$input string2i >   A   Example?  I've never seen this, and I just tried it to be sure.s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:45:43 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>-! Subject: RE: pipe search questionu9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEDHHCAA.tom@kednos.com>m   >-----Original Message-----wC >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]3% >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:05 AMr >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" >Subject: Re: pipe search question >a >r@ >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBNHCAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom ! >Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:n >> It appears  thata >> m4 >> $ pipe sear file string1 | sear sys$input string2 >> l >dB >  Example?  I've never seen this, and I just tried it to be sure. >h   Not sure what you are asking.t   >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.t; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003  >n ---f& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 01:18:54 GMTw& From: "Scott Vieth" <svieth@wi.rr.com>J Subject: Re: Spontaneous rebooting after 7.3-1 upgrade and how to track it9 Message-ID: <2aZta.9996$Jv3.307152@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   $ 1. $ anal/crash [systemdumpfile.dmp]        show crashy  K 2. What are you using to monitor the console port of your ES40?  You shouldaJ have something like ConsoleWorks in place to catch console messages in theJ middle of the night (or at least an LA75, a stack of paper and an operator to watch the printer).  J 3. ES40s are known for their finicky nature concerning memory.  I wouldn'tJ be surprised if your crash was due to the odd problems that the ES40s have experienced regarding DIMMs.   -Scott    4 "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com> wrote in message1 news:pan.2003.05.05.20.43.27.50112@hotmail.com...t > Hello all! >yG > Not sure what the deal is, but at 1 am today my ES40 rebooted on it's J > own...any way to checkout what the issue may be?  Log files or something > like that?  Thanks!h >C > Jamese   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:24:57 GMTt" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGB Subject: Re: WAS (Re: Automating a "lights out" cottage) NOW SOCK!0 Message-ID: <00A1F763.C1A20D87@SendSpamHere.ORG>  M In article <03050611411190@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes:r >*snip* ... I have myuI >office setup in the basement and so is the laundry.  One day a sock fellfH >into the basin and clogged the drain.  The washing machine was pumping D >out and caused a rather nasty little wet mess in the basement.  ...
 >*endsnip* >.+ >Now I know where the sock monster lives...2  : He used to live under the bed until we got a platform bed.  H Out old washing machine used to feed into a drain pipe behind the washerI intended for its output.  However, we replaced it with a large heavy dutyeH washer and this washer pumps too much volume for the waste water pipe toH handle so the washer now just empties into the basin next to the washer.H There is no propper stopper to close the drain on this sink -- only that? single sock occasion ever caused the sink to fill and overflow.e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs            h5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:51:31 -0400-* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>9 Subject: Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???o) Message-ID: <3EB8123C.E85D5024@istop.com>a   Bob Ceculski wrote:eC > is your console on battery backup?  and is the break key disabled5B > on it?  A user can hit break key and halt the system which would' > reboot if you had auto reboot set ...i  I Depends on the vax. On my all mighty microvax II, when the auto-reboot is./ enabled, the break key is inoperative on OPA0:.   N And when autoreboot is disabled, then the break key gets you to the >>> promptJ at which point you could type CONTINUE and avoid a reboot since the system woudl just return to normal.  K So it would not provide an explanation for this supppious automatic reboot.e  N What would however would be a faulty "renoot" switch on the hardware. That oneG would lead to an instant reboot without as mush as a crash or somethingnM written to logs (am not 100% sure of this, but since it cuts the power to theeD cpu/memory  it would be hard for it to write some error log records.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 16:40 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o9 Subject: Re: Weird shutdown and Reboot on OpenVMS 6.2 ???e, Message-ID: <6MAY200316404122@gerg.tamu.edu>  , Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes... }JF Mezei wrote: }> y }> Nic Clews wrote: F }> > Doesn't the AUDIT server have the ability to shutdown the system? }>  O }> It can freeze a system should the system drive fill up, preventing the audit H }> server from logging events. But I do not think it can crash a system. } & }$ SET AUDIT/SERVER/FINAL_ACTION=CRASH } H }It's the CRASH that bothers me, if your system is set to auto reboot onG }crash, then it explains the cycling (and we're not talking pedalling!)  }  }-- @ }Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences }nclews at csc dot com  E You can find out what this is set to via SHOW AUDIT/ALL. There shouldwF be a line in the output that says "Final resource action" or something
 like that.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:02:05 +0200c4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?& Message-ID: <3EB806AD.4090904@Free.fr>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:C >>"Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in messagee  >>vJ >>Yeah. The famous VMS "Ambassador". I wrote to him three times for three=  < >>different (very big accounts) Customers. He never replied. >=20 > Who?  What?  How?4   More offline...p  ( >>Sue? Make HP commitments? This is new. >=20 >=20J > I didn't say Sue was making the committments, but that if indeed you ha= ve aG > customer in need of such assurances, she can put them in contact withn > someone who *can*.  3 I'll do. But should I forge my signature first? :-)o   D. --,    -----------------------------------------)     M O R A N D I   C o n s u l t a n t s + 19 chemin de la Butte 31400 Toulouse Franceo- T=E9l: 33(0)6 7983 6418 Fax: 33(0)5 6154 1928w%         http://Didier.Morandi.Free.frs+ -------------------------------------------I   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 22:53:31 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a. Subject: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahhI Message-ID: <L1Xta.123700$kYH.94352@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   F http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&ncid=738&e=5&u=/cmp /20030506/tc_cmp/9400465   "......o Act Two: The Auditors EntereC Corporate desktops that are left vulnerable to security problems ofl= unknown risk represent an unacceptable information technologybE practice. A Big Four accounting firm partner indicated to me that hisrD firm's auditors, as they did during the Year 2000 period, would lookA askance at clients running mission-critical business processes onr% unsupported and vulnerable computers.2   Followed By The Lawyers B The corporate law partner I spoke with asked to see a copy of thisE article, saying his firm had a lot of old machines. He said that some F circumstances, such as knowing that the use of old PCs might result inF an enterprise (news - web sites) catastrophe, could lead to a claim ofA negligence. But his more insightful comment was that no corporatevC executive wants to become a laughingstock by doing something stupidv* that harms the business, yet is avoidable.   ....."   Desktop, shemesktop.....  E So one must ask, if shareholders could sue for negligence for the usecD of old PC's...meaning in the context of the story mostly old versionB of operating systems and applications, then certainly shareholdersF could sue for use of anything less than state-of-the-art which resultsD in a loss to the company, where less than state-of-the-art means not VMS clusters at the backend?  D It's an interesting marketing angle, one that I'm sure HP will chose to pitch with Windows or Linux.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:33:38 GMTa) From: bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>e2 Subject: Re: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh/ Message-ID: <3EB8548D.3000009@bellatlantic.net>t   <<pardon my snippage>> John Smith wrote:oH > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&ncid=738&e=5&u=/cmp > /20030506/tc_cmp/9400465 > 1 I like this as a point of inquiry and discussion:o    G > So one must ask, if shareholders could sue for negligence for the use-F > of old PC's...meaning in the context of the story mostly old versionD > of operating systems and applications, then certainly shareholdersH > could sue for use of anything less than state-of-the-art which resultsF > in a loss to the company, where less than state-of-the-art means not > VMS clusters at the backend? > F > It's an interesting marketing angle, one that I'm sure HP will chose! > to pitch with Windows or Linux.d > H If VMSclusters are the standard, and I have to admit I believe they are I based on years of experience, what is the competition?  I know there are tF   a couple of windows and unix prodcuts that use the word cluster and F the words clustering solutions in their adverts.  However, I have not 0 yest seen one that does a toe to toe comparison.  G is there such a product as one that can compete in this niche with VMS?0 vr bob    >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 01:10:41 GMTa4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)2 Subject: Re: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh/ Message-ID: <l2Zta.755367$3D1.416183@sccrnsc01>s  [ In article <3EB8548D.3000009@bellatlantic.net>, bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> writes:s <<pardon my snippage>> >John Smith wrote: <snip>G >> It's an interesting marketing angle, one that I'm sure HP will chosei" >> to pitch with Windows or Linux. >> oI >If VMSclusters are the standard, and I have to admit I believe they are oJ >based on years of experience, what is the competition?  I know there are G >  a couple of windows and unix prodcuts that use the word cluster and :G >the words clustering solutions in their adverts.  However, I have not 31 >yest seen one that does a toe to toe comparison.m >@H >is there such a product as one that can compete in this niche with VMS?  O It is said that Tru64 Clusters (?) approach the VMS standard; this product willaL be (has already?) integrated into the Enterprise UNIX offering from HP (will that still be called HP-UX?)  I And where do you suppose that TRU64 Clustering derives its heritage from?r   >vrM >bob >i >> v >  >i  A _________________________________________________________________a0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 02:15:22 GMT ) From: bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>e2 Subject: Re: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh/ Message-ID: <3EB86C65.1010605@bellatlantic.net>    Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:w] > In article <3EB8548D.3000009@bellatlantic.net>, bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> writes:a > <<pardon my snippage>> >  >>John Smith wrote:m >  > <snip> > G >>>It's an interesting marketing angle, one that I'm sure HP will chose3" >>>to pitch with Windows or Linux. >>>u >>J >>If VMSclusters are the standard, and I have to admit I believe they are K >>based on years of experience, what is the competition?  I know there are iG >> a couple of windows and unix prodcuts that use the word cluster and eH >>the words clustering solutions in their adverts.  However, I have not 2 >>yest seen one that does a toe to toe comparison. >>I >>is there such a product as one that can compete in this niche with VMS?a >  > Q > It is said that Tru64 Clusters (?) approach the VMS standard; this product willRN > be (has already?) integrated into the Enterprise UNIX offering from HP (will > that still be called HP-UX?) > K > And where do you suppose that TRU64 Clustering derives its heritage from?c  E Yes, the tru64 clusters are certainly the closest to vms clustering.  A Hmmm similar pedigree.  But is there anything else that compares?p   >  >  >>vr >>bobi >> >> >> > C > _________________________________________________________________r2 > Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"1 > bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:20:54 -0700,9 From: "gregc at gregcagle.com" <"gregc at gregcagle.com">o2 Subject: Re: Would HP pitch VMS clusters?   naaahh/ Message-ID: <vbgrculavis16a@corp.supernews.com>    Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:p  Q > It is said that Tru64 Clusters (?) approach the VMS standard; this product will N > be (has already?) integrated into the Enterprise UNIX offering from HP (will > that still be called HP-UX?)  < Tru64 clusters are not yet integrated into HP-UX, which will continue to be called HP-UX.   -- h
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 17:54:54 +0200a2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)> Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha] How to get image version in DCL ?; Message-ID: <3eb7dace.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e   VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:v4 > "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes:+ > >>I dare say this won't work on an Alpha.c > >  > >OK, then, here: > {...snip...} > >o > >..END >  ^^n$ > I dare say this simply won't work!  B I bet that extra dot was inserted by some MTA on the mailing list.? It isn't in my copy of Brian's post (reading through DFN news).v   cu,    Martin -- dH    Emacs would be a great   | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5    operating system,        | work: mv@pdv-systeme.desH    if only it came with     |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/<    a decent editor...       | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 18:44:32 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)B Subject: Re: [Q] On-disk BACKUP save set block size = 33040 bytes?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0305061744.349512c3@posting.google.com>e  f Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> wrote in message news:<3EB7B19C.2C40AEA6@oracle.com>...I > for an image backup, it appears that backup picks the 'best' block sizeeL > for its operations internally.  since there is no actual saveset involved,< > I imaging that the saveset counter never gets incremented.  E Oops. Of course, you're right! I definitely need more sleep. I postedd in haste. Haste makes waste!  & My apologies for the stupid question.    Alan E. Feldmanr   >  > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: >  > > Example: > >r* > > $    BACKUP/IMAGE/COMPARE CDROM: LDA1:G > > NODEX::SYSTEM 20:45:30 BACKUP    CPU=00:17:29.87 PF=20486 IO=264974o > > MEM=10118 > >  Comparing file: LDA1:[FT.ARC.LNREPO]FT010830L.BCK;1: > >  Saveset volume:0, saveset block:0 (33040 byte blocks) > >aE > > Why does it say 33040-byte blocks? Disk save sets have 32256-bytemJ > > blocks. Whence the 33040 figure? And why is it always saveset block 0? > >s > > Thanks.a > >  > > Disclaimer: JMHO > > Alan E. Feldmano   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2003 20:51:18 -0700s/ From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris)rD Subject: [Q] QIO programming with MOP remote console with DECservers= Message-ID: <51262235.0305061951.19c68d8d@posting.google.com>m  
 Dear Readers,o  F I am attempting to write a program that will allow me to connect to a E DECServer using MOP remote console.  I have a copy of the MaintenancenC Operations Protocol Functional Specifications that I have reviewed.i  K What I have done is hopefully, set up a new connection to a terminal serverII via EWA0 on an Alpha running OpenVMS 6.2.  I think that the NMA packet isi setup correctly.    L I format a packet with 13, remote console and the default DECserver password2 and send it to the DECserver via its node address.  F I am assuming that there will be a reply back to this reserve console K request.  So I post a read for the response.  However the I keep on gettingf' a "%SYSTEM-W-ENDOFFILE, end of file".  H  I Why do I get "%SYSTEM-W-ENDOFFILE, end of file"?  Is this a problem with o my program or is this expected.o  - Should I get a response to reserve console?  w  J Yes I know that TSM will do this for me.  I wish to do this from an image,E so I can have a verbose conversation with a DECserver via my program.u   The code is in FORTRAN.v  / $for /deb/noopt/align=packed/ext dcsrv.for /lis 
 $lin dcsrv
 $run dcsrv   Thanks   Stuart         PROGRAM DRIVER       IMPLICIT NONEs       INCLUDE '($SYSSRVNAM)'       INCLUDE '($IODEF)'       INCLUDE '($DSCDEF)'i         INTEGER*2 CHAN       INTEGER*4 STATUS  h       STRUCTURE /IOSB/          INTEGER*2 STATUSt          INTEGER*2 SIZEa          BYTE      UNUSED1          BYTE      STATUS2          BYTE      ERROR          BYTE      UNUSED2       END STRUCTUREr         RECORD /IOSB/ IOSB         BYTE NODE(6)         INTEGER*2 ILEN  B       PARAMETER NMA$C_PCLI_BFN  = 1105  ! From sys$library:mlb.lib'       PARAMETER NMA$C_PCLI_PRM  = 2840 o&       PARAMETER NMA$C_PCLI_CRC  = 2844&       PARAMETER NMA$C_PCLI_PAD  = 2842&       PARAMETER NMA$C_PCLI_PTY  = 2830#       PARAMETER NMA$C_STATE_ON  = 0n#       PARAMETER NMA$C_STATE_OFF = 1o#       PARAMETER NMA$C_PCLI_FMT  = 1t  5       STRUCTURE /SETDEF/         ! Based on ZK-117-GEp#           INTEGER*2 BFN            -#           INTEGER*4 BFN_VALUE      u#           INTEGER*2 CRC             #           INTEGER*4 CRC_VALUE      i#           INTEGER*2 PAD            e$           INTEGER*4 PAD_VALUE       "           INTEGER*2 PTY           #           INTEGER*4 PTY_VALUE      e           INTEGER*2 PRMo#           INTEGER*4 PRM_VALUE      w       END STRUCTURE   B       BYTE XMTDATA(512)     ! Default value same as NMA$C_PCLI_BUSB       BYTE RCVDATA(512)     ! Default value same as NMA$C_PCLI_BUS         BYTE P5BUFF(20)a  #       COMMON /THEDATA/ RCVDATA,IOSBe       INTEGER*4 ASTROUTINE       EXTERNAL ASTROUTINE          RECORD /SETDEF/ SETDEF         STRUCTURE     /DES/ D          INTEGER*4   LEN                             ! RECORD LENGTHE          INTEGER*4   ADDR                            ! RECORD ADDRESSo       END STRUCTURE-         RECORD /DES/ SETDEFDSC  +       SETDEF.BFN       = NMA$C_PCLI_BFN    6       SETDEF.BFN_VALUE = 4      +       SETDEF.PAD       = NMA$C_PCLI_PAD    g'       SETDEF.PAD_VALUE = NMA$C_STATE_ONn  *       SETDEF.PTY       = NMA$C_PCLI_PTY   @       SETDEF.PTY_VALUE = '260'x           ! Remote console 60-02  *       SETDEF.PRM       = NMA$C_PCLI_PRM   (       SETDEF.PRM_VALUE = NMA$C_STATE_OFF  '       SETDEF.CRC       = NMA$C_PCLI_CRCr'       SETDEF.CRC_VALUE = NMA$C_STATE_ON   %       SETDEFDSC.LEN  = SIZEOF(SETDEF) #       SETDEFDSC.ADDR = %LOC(SETDEF)i  F       NODE(1) = '08'X            ! Hardware address of Terminal server       NODE(2) = '00'Xo       NODE(3) = '2B'Xl       NODE(4) = '06'X        NODE(5) = '90'Xt       NODE(6) = 'DA'X-  )       STATUS = SYS$ASSIGN('EWA0:',CHAN,,)M       IF (.NOT. STATUS) THEN'          CALL LIB$SIGNAL (%VAL(STATUS))i       ENDIFR                             :       STATUS = SYS$QIOW(,                             !EFN;      +                  %VAL(CHAN),                   !CHAN0E      +                  %VAL(IO$_SETMODE + IO$M_CTRL + IO$M_STARTUP),I;      +                  IOSB,                         !IOSBcF      +                  ,                             !ASTADR         =      +                  ,                             !ASTPRMe9      +                  ,                             !P1n9      +                  SETDEFDSC,                    !P2U9      +                  ,                             !P3I9      +                  ,                             !P4o9      +                  ,                             !P5n9      +                  )                             !P6)         IF (.NOT. STATUS) THEN'          CALL LIB$SIGNAL (%VAL(STATUS))s       ENDIFi  !       IF (.NOT. IOSB.STATUS) THEN0,          CALL LIB$SIGNAL (%VAL(IOSB.STATUS))       ENDIFs Ce& C     Reserve Console.  Section 5.5.7  C        ILEN = 13       XMTDATA(ILEN) = 13         ! Default passwordn       ILEN = ILEN + 1i        XMTDATA(ILEN) = ICHAR('A')       ILEN = ILEN + 1y        XMTDATA(ILEN) = ICHAR('C')       ILEN = ILEN + 1a        XMTDATA(ILEN) = ICHAR('C')       ILEN = ILEN + 1         XMTDATA(ILEN) = ICHAR('E')       ILEN = ILEN + 1k        XMTDATA(ILEN) = ICHAR('S')       ILEN = ILEN + 1p        XMTDATA(ILEN) = ICHAR('S')       :       STATUS = SYS$QIOW(,                             !EFN;      +                  %VAL(CHAN),                   !CHANt,      +                  %VAL(IO$_WRITEVBLK),;      +                  IOSB,                         !IOSB3F      +                  ,                             !ASTADR         =      +                  ,                             !ASTPRMs9      +                  XMTDATA,                      !P1f9      +                  %VAL(ILEN),                   !P2t9      +                  ,                             !P3g9      +                  ,                             !P4t9      +                  NODE,                         !P5-9      +                  )                             !P6          IF (.NOT. STATUS) THEN'          CALL LIB$SIGNAL (%VAL(STATUS))        ENDIFs  !       IF (.NOT. IOSB.STATUS) THENe,          CALL LIB$SIGNAL (%VAL(IOSB.STATUS))       ENDIF   :       STATUS = SYS$QIO(,                              !EFN;      +                  %VAL(CHAN),                   !CHANoG      +                  %VAL(IO$_READVBLK+ IO$M_NOFILTR + IO$M_NOECHO), ;      +                  IOSB,                         !IOSB F      +                  ASTROUTINE,                   !ASTADR         =      +                  ,                             !ASTPRMh9      +                  RCVDATA,                      !P1l9      +                  %VAL(SIZEOF(RCVDATA)),        !P2 9      +                  ,                             !P3e9      +                  ,                             !P4e9      +                  P5BUFF,                       !P5D9      +                  )                             !P6U         IF (.NOT. STATUS) THEN'          CALL LIB$SIGNAL (%VAL(STATUS))s       ENDIFi         CALL LIB$WAIT(500.)-  
       STOP	       ENDi  &       INTEGER*4 FUNCTION ASTROUTINE ()       IMPLICIT NONE        BYTE P5BUFF(20)        BYTE RCVDATA(512)-       STRUCTURE /IOSB/          INTEGER*2 STATUS0          INTEGER*2 SIZE           BYTE      UNUSED1          BYTE      STATUS2          BYTE      ERROR          BYTE      UNUSED2       END STRUCTUREc         RECORD /IOSB/ IOSB,       COMMON /THEDATA/ RCVDATA, IOSB, P5BUFF  ;       WRITE (*,*) 'READ COMPLETED', IOSB.STATUS, IOSB.SIZE o         RETURN	       ENDt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:24:23 -0400f* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>! Subject: Re: [VMS-SIG] Help - VMSy/ Message-ID: <3EB84427.31665.2BB2F45B@localhost>u  , On 6 May 2003 at 21:44, Norman Taylor wrote:J >    When it gets to the point of wanting to start DECWindows, the messageF > says the some parameters are wrong, it needs to run AUTOGEN and thenF > reboot. I answer Yes to the prompt, it runs AUTOGEN and reboots. TheF > next time around, it says the same thing again: wants to run AUTOGEN
 > and reboot.e  F Try saying No next time it boots, and look at the report that AUTOGEN C had created on its previous run.  Edit SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT to p@ set MIN_* values at or above what it came up with, then AUTOGEN  again.  @ The message it's generating when attempting to start DECwindows C (usually) tells you what parameters need tweaked -- you should pay -1 special attention to those in the AUTOGEN report.   
 --Stan Quayle4 Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671c1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147/= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.251 ************************