1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 14 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 266       Contents:P Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SP Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SP Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SP Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SP Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SP Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S Advanced Server management! Re: Advanced Server: file locking ! Re: Advanced Server: file locking  Re: Backup question  Re: Best practices for VMS Re: Best practices for VMS; Re: BLASTed directory locks, timing windows & endless loops - Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization? - Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization? - Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ( DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?, Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?, Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?, Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?, Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ? DECdts availability  Re: DECdts availability " Digtial UNIX (Tru64) key chain :-) fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem Re: fetch_http problem - solved  Re: How do i analyse TCPDump ?5 Re: how to use smg$create_menu in vax macro language? 5 Re: how to use smg$create_menu in vax macro language? 5 Re: how to use smg$create_menu in vax macro language? , Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job( howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job, Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job, Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job, RE: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job, Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job, Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job Re: Java "Unknown host" problem  Re: Large Vax required Re: Large Vax required* Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name. Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name. Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name; Re: MicroVAX and VAX models EOSL list (end of service life) ; Re: MicroVAX and VAX models EOSL list (end of service life) ; Re: MicroVAX and VAX models EOSL list (end of service life)  Re: next VMS versions  Re: next VMS versions  Re: next VMS versions  Re: next VMS versions  Re: next VMS versions  Re: next VMS versions  Re: next VMS versions  Re: next VMS versions = Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS Article on InTech Brazil Magazine  OpenVMS Pearl Wed May 14G OpenVMS support for Additional Hardware on hp's new AlphaServer Systems & Re: OSU server questions ( byterange ) Printing to PCL-Printer? Re: Printing to PCL-Printer? Re: Printing to PCL-Printer? Re: Printing to PCL-Printer? Re: Printing to PCL-Printer? Re: simh emulator and cluster  Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?  Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?  Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?  Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?  Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS? ) Re: Stopping a que other then a print que  Structure Layout in C  Re: Structure Layout in C # Re: TCPIP SET CONF SMTP /SUB=HIDDEN * Two day OpenVMS seminar in Ottawa, Ontario VMS Admins with too much time ! Re: VMS Admins with too much time ! Re: VMS Admins with too much time 7 Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification? + Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ? + Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ? + Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ? + Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:28:10 +0100 5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S 5 Message-ID: <b9suog$msk57$1@ID-191217.news.dfncis.de>   ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20030513233737.11405.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com..., > Why not write  a "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" ? > 	 > Regards  >  > FC  * CIOs don't read books! They read magazines   rvl    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:48:11 GMT 3 From: "Vasu Kulkarni" <vasukulkarni@rediffmail.com> Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S 0 Message-ID: <L9pwa.792$%C1.770@news.cpqcorp.net>  , > CIOs don't read books! They read magazines >    And also IDG + Gartner Reports   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:20:23 -0700 . From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S F Message-ID: <OF42A6B885.67DCB0AE-ON07256D26.004E7FCE@rsc.raytheon.com>  I If any of you have writing aspirations, I suggest you contact Pam Chester D (P.Chester@elsevier.com) at Digital Press and talk it over with her./ John's suggestion looks like a good one to  me.    dave.   H ----- Forwarded by David D Miller/RWS/Raytheon/US on 05/14/2003 07:17 AM ----- m                                                                                                               m                       "John Smith"                                                                            m                       <a@nonymous.com>         To:      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                                 m                                                cc:                                                            m                       05/14/2003 06:41         Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book     m                       AM                       from Digital Press - Getting Started with OpenVMS) Getting     m                       Please respond           Started with OpenVMS) Getting Started with OpenVMS)            m                       to "John Smith"                                                                         m                                                                                                               m                                                                                                                         < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EC1AE20.E93235BA@fsi.net...  > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 	 > > David  > >  > > Lack of inspiration ;-)))  > > ; > > And my english is not perfect yet ! I am too $lazy$  to 3 > > return to the British Council english classes ! : > > There are guys with more talent here....like you ! ;-) > > Regards  > >  > > FC > > : > > --- "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > > > 2 > > > > Why not write  a "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" ? > > >  > > > What's stopping you? > + > Well, here's a little something to start.  > C > ...and remember: there's no law that says you can't write in your  own ( > language and have it translated later. > F > I might even flesh this out and post it as a web page to start, then0 > perhaps build it up into a formal publication. >  >  > Executive Summary of OpenVMS > E > OpenVMS is a powerful, highly secure computer operating system that  isE > time-proven and trusted. At one time an early form of OpenVMS, then E > known as VAX/VMS was the major mainstay of the minicomputer market.  Now,D > OpenVMS is the mainstay of the high-availability, high-scalability > mid-frame market.  > D > Feature-rich, ANSI standards compliant, well documented and easily@ > programmed, OpenVMS remains the operating system of choice forD > businesses where uptime and security are an absolute must, such asD > back-end database servers in the healthcare and financial exchange and  > service industries.  > D > The intrinsic security and reliability of OpenVMS produce paybacks inD > the form of elimination of downtime due to virus attacks and their, > associated file and filesystem corruption. > = > Running on 64-bit hardware platforms, OpenVMS provides high  scalability E > for very large databases as well as image processing and scientific C > computing needs. From desktop workstations to one-unit rack-mount B > servers to high-availability clusters with many tens of nodes in eachE > cluster, one OpenVMS operating system serves all these needs at all , > scales from the desktop to the datacenter. >  > F > That's just a start, of course. Many other folks here have said muchE > more much better than I can, but I'll just use my own words and let  the ) > community suggest how to say it better.     E You probably don't have to do the work yourself. There are many books ? published each year which are often referred to as 'handbooks'.   < These 'handbooks' are usually many chapters long and are theF compilation of the work of many people. Each chapter is written by oneE or more specialists in the topic of the individual chapter. Real-life > examples are often included (sometimes with names redacted forD privacy, sometimes disclosed). There is a small editorial team which< solicits contributions of material to the handbook, suggestsB revisions/additions/deletions in the material of each chapter, and6 that provides a preamble to the 'handbook' as a whole.  ? So to take this one step further, a suggested organization of a E 'handbook' aimed at the executives at any major organization, be they 4 CEO/COO/CIO/CTO might be the following (feel free to add/delete/rename):     ) "Reliable Computing for the 21st Century" "          "The Hidden Secret of HP"   Forward   ' Chapter Titles (in no particular order)     !     How Come I Never Heard of It?          - good question 0         - who is using it and what's it used for             - NSA              - CGHQ             - stock exchanges              - health care               - chip manufacturing             - telecom "             - general purpose apps         Investment Protection          - mixed mode clusters -         - hardware & operating system support          Scalability -         - clusters and the differences (Nic?)     "     Disaster Recovery with OpenVMS         - Terrorism and War -             -operating in an NBCW environment ,              (nuclear, biological, chemical)         - natural disasters              - earthquake             - hurricane              - tornado              - ice storms          - coping with evacuation         - remote operation    2     What About All Those Free Unix/Linux programs?         - DOE-CII          - unix portability         Cost-Effective Development>         - discussion of developer tools and debugging features    5     What Packages Run on This Great Operating System? 6         - another good question, and thanks for asking    ,     Why Shouldn't We Use Unix/Linux/Windows?)         - the biggest chapter in the book          - debacles in switching C         - can't get there from here in finite time at a finite cost  issues    &     What's The Cost to My Bottom Line?         - financial discussion         - licenses         - support          - lights-out operations -         - how many system managers do I need?     '         Where Do I Get Honest Opinions?          - current users          - c.o.v.         - user events $         - 1-800-carlyluvsVMS (as if)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:07:24 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S J Message-ID: <MYswa.198913$kYH.193097@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Thanks for the vote.  F Now if only HP could be made to listen....seems to me that they need aD real head of VMS marketing..one who isn't afraid to stand toe-to-toeA with carly/BOD and duke it out when required. That probably means E somebody who comes in on contract who doesn't particularly care about F whether they get shown the door but also one who feels The Force. ShowF me a number with the right number of significant digits and I might be interested.       9 "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> wrote in message @ news:OF42A6B885.67DCB0AE-ON07256D26.004E7FCE@rsc.raytheon.com...C > If any of you have writing aspirations, I suggest you contact Pam  Chester F > (P.Chester@elsevier.com) at Digital Press and talk it over with her.1 > John's suggestion looks like a good one to  me.  >  > dave.  > A > ----- Forwarded by David D Miller/RWS/Raytheon/US on 05/14/2003  07:17 AM > -----  > $ >                       "John Smith"4 >                       <a@nonymous.com>         To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 >                                                cc:C >                       05/14/2003 06:41         Subject: Re: "CIOs ' OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book E >                       AM                       from Digital Press - % Getting Started with OpenVMS) Getting F >                       Please respond           Started with OpenVMS) Getting Started with OpenVMS) ' >                       to "John Smith"  >  >  >  >  >  >  > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3EC1AE20.E93235BA@fsi.net...  > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > >  > > > David  > > >  > > > Lack of inspiration ;-)))  > > > = > > > And my english is not perfect yet ! I am too $lazy$  to 5 > > > return to the British Council english classes ! < > > > There are guys with more talent here....like you ! ;-)
 > > > Regards  > > >  > > > FC > > > < > > > --- "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > > > > Fabio Cardoso wrote:	 > > > > > 4 > > > > > Why not write  a "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" ? > > > >  > > > > What's stopping you? > > - > > Well, here's a little something to start.  > > E > > ...and remember: there's no law that says you can't write in your  > own * > > language and have it translated later. > > C > > I might even flesh this out and post it as a web page to start,  then2 > > perhaps build it up into a formal publication. > >  > >   > > Executive Summary of OpenVMS > > B > > OpenVMS is a powerful, highly secure computer operating system that > isB > > time-proven and trusted. At one time an early form of OpenVMS, then? > > known as VAX/VMS was the major mainstay of the minicomputer  market.  > Now,F > > OpenVMS is the mainstay of the high-availability, high-scalability > > mid-frame market.  > > F > > Feature-rich, ANSI standards compliant, well documented and easilyB > > programmed, OpenVMS remains the operating system of choice forF > > businesses where uptime and security are an absolute must, such asF > > back-end database servers in the healthcare and financial exchange > and  > > service industries.  > > F > > The intrinsic security and reliability of OpenVMS produce paybacks > inF > > the form of elimination of downtime due to virus attacks and their. > > associated file and filesystem corruption. > > ? > > Running on 64-bit hardware platforms, OpenVMS provides high 
 > scalability < > > for very large databases as well as image processing and
 scientificE > > computing needs. From desktop workstations to one-unit rack-mount D > > servers to high-availability clusters with many tens of nodes in > eachC > > cluster, one OpenVMS operating system serves all these needs at  all . > > scales from the desktop to the datacenter. > >  > > C > > That's just a start, of course. Many other folks here have said  muchC > > more much better than I can, but I'll just use my own words and  let  > the + > > community suggest how to say it better.  >  > A > You probably don't have to do the work yourself. There are many  books A > published each year which are often referred to as 'handbooks'.  > > > These 'handbooks' are usually many chapters long and are theD > compilation of the work of many people. Each chapter is written by one = > or more specialists in the topic of the individual chapter. 	 Real-life @ > examples are often included (sometimes with names redacted forF > privacy, sometimes disclosed). There is a small editorial team which> > solicits contributions of material to the handbook, suggestsD > revisions/additions/deletions in the material of each chapter, and8 > that provides a preamble to the 'handbook' as a whole. > A > So to take this one step further, a suggested organization of a B > 'handbook' aimed at the executives at any major organization, be they6 > CEO/COO/CIO/CTO might be the following (feel free to > add/delete/rename):  >  > + > "Reliable Computing for the 21st Century" $ >          "The Hidden Secret of HP" > 	 > Forward  > ) > Chapter Titles (in no particular order)  >  > # >     How Come I Never Heard of It?  >         - good question 2 >         - who is using it and what's it used for >             - NSA  >             - CGHQ >             - stock exchanges  >             - health care " >             - chip manufacturing >             - telecom $ >             - general purpose apps >  >  >     Investment Protection  >         - mixed mode clusters / >         - hardware & operating system support  >  >  >     Scalability / >         - clusters and the differences (Nic?)  >  > $ >     Disaster Recovery with OpenVMS >         - Terrorism and War / >             -operating in an NBCW environment . >              (nuclear, biological, chemical) >         - natural disasters  >             - earthquake >             - hurricane  >             - tornado  >             - ice storms" >         - coping with evacuation >         - remote operation >  > 4 >     What About All Those Free Unix/Linux programs? >         - DOE-CII  >         - unix portability >  >   >     Cost-Effective Development@ >         - discussion of developer tools and debugging features >  > 7 >     What Packages Run on This Great Operating System? 8 >         - another good question, and thanks for asking >  > . >     Why Shouldn't We Use Unix/Linux/Windows?+ >         - the biggest chapter in the book ! >         - debacles in switching E >         - can't get there from here in finite time at a finite cost  > issues >  > ( >     What's The Cost to My Bottom Line?  >         - financial discussion >         - licenses >         - support ! >         - lights-out operations / >         - how many system managers do I need?  >  > ) >         Where Do I Get Honest Opinions?  >         - current users  >         - c.o.v. >         - user events & >         - 1-800-carlyluvsVMS (as if) >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:41:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S I Message-ID: <kIrwa.198732$kYH.31410@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EC1AE20.E93235BA@fsi.net...  > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 	 > > David  > >  > > Lack of inspiration ;-)))  > > ; > > And my english is not perfect yet ! I am too $lazy$  to 3 > > return to the British Council english classes ! : > > There are guys with more talent here....like you ! ;-) > > Regards  > >  > > FC > > : > > --- "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > > > 2 > > > > Why not write  a "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" ? > > >  > > > What's stopping you? > + > Well, here's a little something to start.  > C > ...and remember: there's no law that says you can't write in your  own ( > language and have it translated later. > F > I might even flesh this out and post it as a web page to start, then0 > perhaps build it up into a formal publication. >  >  > Executive Summary of OpenVMS > E > OpenVMS is a powerful, highly secure computer operating system that  isE > time-proven and trusted. At one time an early form of OpenVMS, then E > known as VAX/VMS was the major mainstay of the minicomputer market.  Now,D > OpenVMS is the mainstay of the high-availability, high-scalability > mid-frame market.  > D > Feature-rich, ANSI standards compliant, well documented and easily@ > programmed, OpenVMS remains the operating system of choice forD > businesses where uptime and security are an absolute must, such asD > back-end database servers in the healthcare and financial exchange and  > service industries.  > D > The intrinsic security and reliability of OpenVMS produce paybacks inD > the form of elimination of downtime due to virus attacks and their, > associated file and filesystem corruption. > = > Running on 64-bit hardware platforms, OpenVMS provides high  scalability E > for very large databases as well as image processing and scientific C > computing needs. From desktop workstations to one-unit rack-mount B > servers to high-availability clusters with many tens of nodes in eachE > cluster, one OpenVMS operating system serves all these needs at all , > scales from the desktop to the datacenter. >  > F > That's just a start, of course. Many other folks here have said muchE > more much better than I can, but I'll just use my own words and let  the ) > community suggest how to say it better.     E You probably don't have to do the work yourself. There are many books ? published each year which are often referred to as 'handbooks'.   < These 'handbooks' are usually many chapters long and are theF compilation of the work of many people. Each chapter is written by oneE or more specialists in the topic of the individual chapter. Real-life > examples are often included (sometimes with names redacted forD privacy, sometimes disclosed). There is a small editorial team which< solicits contributions of material to the handbook, suggestsB revisions/additions/deletions in the material of each chapter, and6 that provides a preamble to the 'handbook' as a whole.  ? So to take this one step further, a suggested organization of a E 'handbook' aimed at the executives at any major organization, be they 4 CEO/COO/CIO/CTO might be the following (feel free to add/delete/rename):     ) "Reliable Computing for the 21st Century" "          "The Hidden Secret of HP"   Forward   ' Chapter Titles (in no particular order)     !     How Come I Never Heard of It?          - good question 0         - who is using it and what's it used for             - NSA              - CGHQ             - stock exchanges              - health care               - chip manufacturing             - telecom "             - general purpose apps         Investment Protection          - mixed mode clusters -         - hardware & operating system support          Scalability -         - clusters and the differences (Nic?)     "     Disaster Recovery with OpenVMS         - Terrorism and War -             -operating in an NBCW environment ,              (nuclear, biological, chemical)         - natural disasters              - earthquake             - hurricane              - tornado              - ice storms          - coping with evacuation         - remote operation    2     What About All Those Free Unix/Linux programs?         - DOE-CII          - unix portability         Cost-Effective Development>         - discussion of developer tools and debugging features    5     What Packages Run on This Great Operating System? 6         - another good question, and thanks for asking    ,     Why Shouldn't We Use Unix/Linux/Windows?)         - the biggest chapter in the book          - debacles in switching C         - can't get there from here in finite time at a finite cost  issues    &     What's The Cost to My Bottom Line?         - financial discussion         - licenses         - support          - lights-out operations -         - how many system managers do I need?     '         Where Do I Get Honest Opinions?          - current users          - c.o.v.         - user events $         - 1-800-carlyluvsVMS (as if)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:59:21 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S ' Message-ID: <3EC24BB9.909923C2@vcu.edu>   F hhmm... why not put it up on sourceforge and we all put our hands intoG it.  or, you can be the editor, and we can contribute, and you can pick 
 and choose...   A here's my blurb... Though this would be as a testimonial, really, 
 instead of an ! handbook covering many systems...   H Our VAX/VMS system has run flawlessly monitoring our Intensive Care UnitF at MCV hospitals since 1985.  Our system has survived 3 generations ofG ICU monitors, 3 cpu upgrades, a few os version upgrades, a/c equiptment 4 leaking on the machine (we can't move it... DRAT..).  @ We have no need to scandisk or diskfix the drives, our machine aF microvax 3900 has analog inputs, digital inputs, osu webserver, ingresH database, Perl, FORTRAN, C, COBOL, GNU utilities coming when I feel likeB I want it enough, vi, whatever.  We hold the campus uptime recordsG continously, and this system just runs it's little heart out.  the main F box is 14 years old, and still going. It's puny compared to today, but& for it's job of watching, it's plenty.   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > 	 > > David  > >  > > Lack of inspiration ;-)))  > > ; > > And my english is not perfect yet ! I am too $lazy$  to 3 > > return to the British Council english classes ! : > > There are guys with more talent here....like you ! ;-) > > Regards  > >  > > FC > > : > > --- "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > > > 2 > > > > Why not write  a "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" ? > > >  > > > What's stopping you? > + > Well, here's a little something to start.  > G > ...and remember: there's no law that says you can't write in your own ( > language and have it translated later. > F > I might even flesh this out and post it as a web page to start, then0 > perhaps build it up into a formal publication. >  > Executive Summary of OpenVMS > H > OpenVMS is a powerful, highly secure computer operating system that isE > time-proven and trusted. At one time an early form of OpenVMS, then J > known as VAX/VMS was the major mainstay of the minicomputer market. Now,D > OpenVMS is the mainstay of the high-availability, high-scalability > mid-frame market.  > D > Feature-rich, ANSI standards compliant, well documented and easily@ > programmed, OpenVMS remains the operating system of choice forD > businesses where uptime and security are an absolute must, such asH > back-end database servers in the healthcare and financial exchange and > service industries.  > G > The intrinsic security and reliability of OpenVMS produce paybacks in D > the form of elimination of downtime due to virus attacks and their, > associated file and filesystem corruption. > I > Running on 64-bit hardware platforms, OpenVMS provides high scalability E > for very large databases as well as image processing and scientific C > computing needs. From desktop workstations to one-unit rack-mount G > servers to high-availability clusters with many tens of nodes in each E > cluster, one OpenVMS operating system serves all these needs at all , > scales from the desktop to the datacenter. > F > That's just a start, of course. Many other folks here have said muchI > more much better than I can, but I'll just use my own words and let the ) > community suggest how to say it better.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:50:20 +0200 ' From: "Seghers Bruno" <tips@euronet.be> # Subject: Advanced Server management 4 Message-ID: <b9trvj$19sfl$1@sinclair.be.wanadoo.com>   Hi,    I have a question :   C I install pathworks on a openVMS 7.2-2 system. When I try to change J permissions (with a windows NT graphical tools) on a directory mapped to a1 share I create, I receive the following message :   I "Object picker cannot open because it cannot determine whether nodexyz is  joined to a domain"   0 I don't find any info in Pathworks documentation  + Does anybody has a idea what is my problem.   L My advanced server is configured as a member of the domain. Wins and DNS are enabled    Thanks for your help  
 Seghers Bruno    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:28:59 +0300 - From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> * Subject: Re: Advanced Server: file locking; Message-ID: <afmwa.2947$M8.2211459@reader1.news.jippii.net>   J Thanks for all the information to everyone. Fortunately the application isE our own, so we were able to make a workaraund (just doing some DCL as ? subprocess before moving files: back/igno=inter). The files are G sequental/stream. I'll try to collect locking data and contact customer  support here in Finland.   -Kari-  9 "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> kirjoitti . viestiss:vc3f425smqnt0b@corp.supernews.com... > : > "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> wrote in message7 > news:761wa.2549$M8.1920442@reader1.news.jippii.net... I > > We recently upgradet our VMS cluster from 7.2-1 to 7.3-1 and Advanced  > ServerK > > from 6.0C to 7.3A. Now when creating a file through Advanced Server the  > fileK > > stays locked much longer than before. This is causing problems with one 5 > > application that tries to move the created files. J > > Is there any way to configure Advanced Server so that the file locking > time6 > > is shorter or must I reconfigure the application ? > K > There are a couple issues with files remaining open at the VMS level that  > have recently been reported. > G > When this happens, does ADMIN SHO OPEN report the file as being open?  > ' > Does SHO DEV /FILE sho the open file?  > / > What format is the file (stream, index, etc)?  > F > I strongly encourage you to contact the customer support center, andK > escalate this to engineering, especially if you know how to reproduce it.  >  > Brad McCusker  > Hewlett-Packard Company  > OpenVMS Engineering  > Nashua NH USA  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:07:41 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>* Subject: Re: Advanced Server: file locking/ Message-ID: <b9stcb$6t82@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>    Brad McCusker schrieb:I > "Karl Rohwedder" <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> wrote in message + > news:b9q916$nis2@doiweb4.volkswagen.de...  >  >>Kari Keronen schrieb:  >>H >>>We recently upgradet our VMS cluster from 7.2-1 to 7.3-1 and Advanced >  > Server > J >>>from 6.0C to 7.3A. Now when creating a file through Advanced Server the >  > file > J >>>stays locked much longer than before. This is causing problems with one4 >>>application that tries to move the created files.I >>>Is there any way to configure Advanced Server so that the file locking  >  > time > 5 >>>is shorter or must I reconfigure the application ?  >>> 	 >>>-Kari-  >>>  >>>  >>F >>The Openfile Caching can be configured voa ADMIN/CONFIG -> ADVANCED,/ >>pls. note that an Eco1 is available for 7.3A.  >> >  > M > Open File Cache is not likely related to this problem.  Open file cache was / > designed to address performance problems with H > batch files.  When windows clients execute batch jobs, the sequence ofJ > events is something like "Open file, read line, close file, process readN > line, Open file, read next line, close file process read line, etc".  RatherM > than having VMS close the file each time the client says to close, the Open L > File cache provides a mechanism to keep the file open briefly, essentiallyN > betting on the fact that there is a good chance the client will want to open > that file again, real soon.  >  >  >>-- >>- >>mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards  >>! >>Karl Rohwedder iT-Ingenieurteam % >>Ellernbruch 11 D-38112 Braunschweig  >>G >>mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de / >>mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.de  >> >  >  > E We had an application, which transfers a file to VMS and immediately  K starts it via RSH. To make that work, file open caching had to be disabled.    --    + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards     Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de0- mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.deM   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:03:41 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> Subject: Re: Backup question/ Message-ID: <b9st4r$6t81@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>s   A Bonaveidogo schrieb: > ***********************ov > Your mail has been scanned by Trend InterScan Message Scanning Suite. There were no viruses detected in this e-mail. > ***********-***********o >  >  > include /save  >  > -----Original Message-----' > From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]r& > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:25 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come > Subject: Backup question >  > 1 > I made two image backups to one tape like this:o > $ > backup/image dka0: mka500:dka0.bck( > backup/image dka200: mka500:dka200.bck > # > Both backup sets are on the tape.a3 > I was able to verify that with dir MKA400: /size.  > ? > Now I want to extract some files from the dka200.bck saveset.e, > But somehow I can't get backup to do that. > 
 > I tried: > 5 > backup mka500:dka200.bck /select= etc. but no luck.p > * > I get the response dka200.bck not found. > ! > Can somone tell me what to do ?a >  > Thanks.... > F Did you rewind the tape before trying the restore (set magtape MKA500 	 /rewind)?t   -- l  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regardsl    Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.dea   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:52:09 +0100e9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>o# Subject: Re: Best practices for VMS ? Message-ID: <e7d383f24b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>e  0 In message <03051219364177@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>3           brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:   5 > > > 7) Search null printers for 0 block print jobs,f > > ' > > What's a "null printer"? (NULSYMB?)p > Q > We have users that print to sys$print - which is sometimes not defined.  RathereN > than spit it out to a physical printer, we leave it in the queue and the jobO > forwards the print job back to the user with a message stating the reason ford > doing so.N > 1 > > >  9) ANALYZE /DISK /REPAIR nightly. (e-mail)  > > H > > I *REALLY* don't like that one. Unless there's an app.'s misbehavingD > > seriously that can't be fixed, I'd think *REAL* hard about that! >  > (I figured you would not)nH > I have had not problems with this.  I started this out of a problem weM > encountered with VAX VMS 5.5 (?) that caused our boot device to show out ofpP > space.  Colorado stated I needed to ANA/DIS/REP to fix the problem.  They also7 > suggested that I should do this on a scheduled basis.h > J > > You do know that VERIFY can do things you don't necessarily want it to! > > do when run automated, right?e > ' > Yes I do and I have thought about it.C > H > > This also keeps each volume locked for the duration. Can cause other  > > processes to fail (timeout). > K > My disks are relatively small in size (8-GB to 20-GB) and on a GS160 with I > 12-CPU this really is not a problem.  Typicall files that are found aret > mail.mai.t  6 That was my experience too. So MAIL needs to be fixed?  K The other problem which this fixes is leaking disk quotas. Unless it's been F fixed since 5.5, users' quotas get gradually out of step with reality. Anaylze resets them.   > $ > > What is a "duplicate directory"? > N > Different disks sometimes would have the same directory.  Not that this is aL > problem, however if we moved a user from one disk to another and forget toP > cleanup - or development created multiple directories for testing, we could go > back and clean them up.  , > 4 > > > 12) DUMP /HEADER report for all disks (e-mail) > >  > > What does that do? > ; > Determine the severity of extents of the disk header filei > 8 > $ dump /header /block=count:0 device: /output=file.txt, > $ search file.txt "Map area words in use:" > H > > All together, what's the machine consumption in terms of I/O and CPU' > > cycles as compared to the benefits?s > Y > Impact is very minimal.  Heavy hitters are run once a week.  The machine I have is more N > than capable to perform this.  In addition, I do not mind paying a little upN > front to avoid late night gotchas.  And since it is an automated (reporting)1 > mechanism, I do not need to run these manually.  >  > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administrator. > Dallas Semiconductor > first.last@dalsemi.com > 972.371.4172 wkn   -- I
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:52:05 -0400:0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com># Subject: Re: Best practices for VMSs$ Message-ID: <3ec28247$1@news.si.com>    >Does not DFU require a license?  2 You're thinking of DFO, perhaps.  DFU is freeware. -- aI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. D 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 01:14:07 -0700) From: jbrankin@ntlworld.com (Jim Brankin) D Subject: Re: BLASTed directory locks, timing windows & endless loops= Message-ID: <863f19d6.0305140014.43a4377d@posting.google.com>   @ Use the FC_DATASEQ field in the serialisation lock value block.   F This field is incremented every time the directory is changed.See page 324 of McCoy's book.  " The logic would be something like:   start:+ Take the serialisation lock and get the LVB  If DATASEQ has changed   drop the lock    do the $search t else r   wait for the blast   drop the lock    loop back to the start endif     D Of course this is using unpublished interfaces which could change at> any time. And will change if they ever get the new file system working.   - Jim    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:20:34 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> 6 Subject: Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization?6 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305132312270.27766@jaipur>  G Interestingly, there was a patch released for 7.3-1 dealing with Linker  performance.   VMS731_LINKER-V0100i   The readme says:  - PROBLEMS ADDRESSED IN VMS731_LINKER-V0100 KIT   @      o This change increases the RMS I/O related parameters whenC        doing I/O to the image file and map.  This will result in an 4        increase in performance and reduce link time.  )          Images Affected:[SYSEXE]LINK.EXE   H Sounds like it would be perfect for you.  Don't know if they back-portedI this kit to other versions.  It doesn't look like there's a 7.1-2 version ' of this patch on the public patch site.l  , On Tue, 13 May 2003, Rodman S. Regier wrote:F > We are currently using HP (Compaq) C++ V6.5-004, to compile and link< > our C++ programs on a DS10/466 w/ 1.1Gby main mem, running< > OpenVMS/Alpha V7.1-2 w/patches.  We are finding that theseC > compile+link runs are taking from 10-30 minutes elapsed time in arD > batch queue to complete with 90-95% of the time being spent on the
 > link phase.a   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 03 09:44:33 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)r6 Subject: Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization?) Message-ID: <SBbdoEykpuSH@elias.decus.ch>i  V In article <3EC1B0DD.7A6ADBCF@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:E >> >Some of the things we have considered but have not tried yet are:m- >> >- Installing our libraries to a ram disk.e > R > Have you considered setting the files to have a high number of global buffers ?. > G > And as someone else said, decompressing your libraries will do a lot.y > G > (however, i was not aware that .OLBs could be compressed, can they ?)f >w. Here's what sys$update:libdecomp.com tells me:  H    (Libraries not present and libraries already expanded are not listed)  P      1  ACLEDT.HLB           13  NCPHELP.HLB          25  VAXCRTLD.OLB          P      2  BKM$HELP.HLB         14  SDA.HLB              26  VAXCRTLDX.OLB         P      3  DBG$HELP.HLB         15  SHWCLHELP.HLB        27  VAXCRTLT.OLB          P      4  DBG$UIHELP.HLB       16  SYSGEN.HLB           28  VAXCRTLTX.OLB         P      5  EDTHELP.HLB          17  SYSMANHELP.HLB       29  VAXCRTLX.OLB          P      6  EVE$HELP.HLB         18  TPUHELP.HLB          30  ERFLIB.TLB            P      7  EVE$KEYHELP.HLB      19  UAFHELP.HLB          31  LIB_ADA_SUBSET.TLB    P      8  EXCHNGHLP.HLB        20  LANIDEF.MLB          32  NTA.TLB               P      9  HELPLIB.HLB          21  LIB.MLB              33  STARLETSD.TLB         P     10  LANCP$HELP.HLB       22  STARLET.MLB          34  SYS$LIB_C.TLB         P     11  LATCP$HELP.HLB       23  STARLET.OLB          35  SYS$STARLET_C.TLB     P     12  MAILHELP.HLB         24  VAXCRTL.OLB                                      0          36  VMS$VOLATILE_PRIVATE_INTERFACES.OLB*          37  STARLET_RECENT_ADA_SUBSET.TLB  )           A  ALL libraries to be expandedi3           H  Display HELP information for LIBDECOMPp            E  EXIT this procedure  = * Enter a letter or the number(s) of libraries to be expandedr+   (Separate multiple numbers with a comma) a  O > Running the debugger on my all mighty microvax II with the debug help libraryeF > compressed resulted in a long chocolate break whenever I typed HELP.: > Uncompressing it made help usable from insuide debugger.   H Probably not as noticeable on faster systems, but it will be interesting/ to compare link times once I have decompressed.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:31:55 GMT , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>6 Subject: Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization?< Message-ID: <fzrwa.1357$MV1.1349@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>  8 "Rodman S. Regier" <rsr@hfx.andara.com> wrote in message2 news:pd13cvcme11g0q0rklakh2ntjf657f8scj@4ax.com... > E > - Dynamically linking libraries instead of statically linking them.v  H This can be signficant improvement since the linker only needs to fiddle@ around with addresses and not copy code from libraries.  But C++B shareables can be a pain because of the mangled entry point names. See this file for examples:o  , SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.CXX]SW_BUILD.COM  F Also, in general the linker loves lots of virtual memory.  Be sure the processn is not paging too much.    Jim-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:56:09 -0500 ( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?/ Message-ID: <vc4pp0kpj15t70@corp.supernews.com>q  & On 5/6/2003 12:33 AM, Mark Buda wrote:0 > "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message4 > news:5ot3bvcs5drpipbsuvhipu5c1ne2rtbn5e@4ax.com... > D > Once you join the DSPP program, you can contact them and ask aboutI > getting a PAKGEN PAK.  You will need to register your producer text, soaC > that no one else can use your producer to use your products in ani > illicit manner.  > J > I do not know if the non-company registrant is allowed to get PAKGEN PAK: > usage or not, but will ask the DSPP office and find out. > I > The below text is from a pre-HP document, but gives you an idea of what- > is involved... >  > and a little more... >    <snip>  I Well, my hopes for generating PAKs are beginning to dim.  I went through eE the process of signing up as a DSPP company member and inquired with 1$ DSPP about getting the PAKGEN PAK...  D The first response I got sent me to the BCSG equipment group.  They F responded that the PAKGEN product had been retired and directed me to I some 3rd party to purchase a license.  After calling this morning, I was eC directed to someone else inside HP.  This person sent me an e-mail oC informing me that the PAKGEN PAK is only available to DSPP members l1 through a subscription service for $495 per year.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 05:16:35 -0400D* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?0( Message-ID: <3EC2093F.4B40124@istop.com>  U In both TPU and ALL-IN-1/WPS, when I uppercase text, all text is properly uppercased.o  W But in a DEC-C program, if I try to uppercase an accented character, it says lowercase.o    L Will toupper() fail this way on all platforms, (unix etc), or is this just a" VMS (or even VAX) specific issue ?  G Does this mean I need to write my own toupper macro to support accentedo characters ?   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2003 11:47:43 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?a5 Message-ID: <b9tacv$mn1un$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ( In article <3EC2093F.4B40124@istop.com>,- 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: W > In both TPU and ALL-IN-1/WPS, when I uppercase text, all text is properly uppercased.  > Y > But in a DEC-C program, if I try to uppercase an accented character, it says lowercase.e >  > N > Will toupper() fail this way on all platforms, (unix etc), or is this just a$ > VMS (or even VAX) specific issue ? > I > Does this mean I need to write my own toupper macro to support accentedf > characters ?  G Not sure what "accented characters" are, but every version of toupper() J I have ever had the chance to look at merely converts the ASCII charactersG with the ordinal values of 97-122 to the corresponding ASCII charactersnF with the ordinal values of 65-90. I am sure your "accented characters"G are not a part of the ASCII characterset and that is why they don't get?G converted by C.  Obviously, editors and word processors use a much morer complex algorithm.   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:28:56 +0100t* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>5 Subject: Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ? + Message-ID: <b9tcq9$mbm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>t  9 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messagea/ news:b9tacv$mn1un$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...   I > Not sure what "accented characters" are, but every version of toupper()cE > ...I am sure your "accented characters" are not a part of the ASCIIm= > characterset and that is why they don't get converted by C.   = The problem is: how do you know they are accented characters?t< Well, I guess the assumption is that everyone uses ISO8859-1A (or -15, I suppose). That's as bad as assuming that 'ASCII shouldc be good enough for everyone'.o  B You should be able to change the behaviour of toupper() by playing4 with the localization settings but I've never tried.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2003 13:07:28 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?F5 Message-ID: <b9tf2f$n6sco$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>e  + In article <b9tcq9$mbm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>,e- 	"Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:S > ; > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messageo1 > news:b9tacv$mn1un$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...h > J >> Not sure what "accented characters" are, but every version of toupper()F >> ...I am sure your "accented characters" are not a part of the ASCII> >> characterset and that is why they don't get converted by C. > ? > The problem is: how do you know they are accented characters? > > Well, I guess the assumption is that everyone uses ISO8859-1 > (or -15, I suppose).    A I would never make that assumption, which is why I understand the @ magnitude of the problem.  And also why I kept quoting "accented@ characters".  Outside of ASCII, there are just too many differnt ways to do it.  C >                      That's as bad as assuming that 'ASCII shoulds > be good enough for everyone'.e  B The toupper() macro has changed (at least not that I have noticed)E in all the years I have been doing C.  And when it was written, theredF was only ASCII (at least as a portable standard, there was EBCIDIC and> Fielddata as well and I think CDC had their own charset, too).   > D > You should be able to change the behaviour of toupper() by playing6 > with the localization settings but I've never tried.  e> Arguable point,  I would opt more for having different charset> conversion funtions available but leave toupper()/tolower() as7 they are for fear of breaking all kinds of legacy code.o   bill   -- HJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:43:10 +0100n* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>5 Subject: Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?p, Message-ID: <b9trmv$111o@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  [ "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:b9tcq9$mbm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk...   D > You should be able to change the behaviour of toupper() by playing6 > with the localization settings but I've never tried.  A Now I have. The following program will convert lower to uppercaserD French, or not, depending on whether you have the right locale files
 installed.   #include <ctype.h> #include <locale.h>n #include <stdio.h> main() {T unsigned char agrave = 224;?! printf ("%c\n", toupper(agrave));  if (setlocale(LC_ALL, "fr_FR"))o$    printf ("%c\n", toupper(agrave)); else     printf("Setlocale failed\n"); }    icxwolf:~ # ./a.out  t c   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 09:45:39 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) Subject: DECdts availability= Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0305140845.10c58425@posting.google.com>   B IIRC (from about 7 years back), it was once possible to run DECdtsF (was it on DECnet Phase IV Plus?) without having either DECnet Phase V% or DCE (IF that package includes it).   @ Is this still possible with V7.3-1, and if so, how do I find the5 installation kit on the software product library CDs?s   Thanks,e  
 Galen Tackett    ---   ? To reach me by e-mail just take the "spam" out of my address...    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:11:47 GMTv+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>-  Subject: Re: DECdts availability5 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0305141004390.9768@jaipur>o  ! On Wed, 14 May 2003, Galen wrote:VD > IIRC (from about 7 years back), it was once possible to run DECdtsH > (was it on DECnet Phase IV Plus?) without having either DECnet Phase V' > or DCE (IF that package includes it).n > B > Is this still possible with V7.3-1, and if so, how do I find the7 > installation kit on the software product library CDs?     E I remember this.  It was called "DECnet Extensions" or something like F that.  As far as I remember, this was a VAX-only thing.  And it wasn't% supported once VMS 6.0 rolled around.)  H Since I found DECdts very useful, we upgraded everything to DECnet Phase V at our site.  4 I don't believe you can get DECdts now with Phase V.  G An alternative is NTP.  It is the TCP/IP-based time management package. H It is definitely included in Multinet (that's what we use).  I'd imagineB it's included in the HP TCP/IP product, but I don't know for sure.  2 Of course, this requires you to be running TCP/IP.   -Ryann   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:16:52 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>f+ Subject: Digtial UNIX (Tru64) key chain :-) 9 Message-ID: <nIowa.1657$nT5.181683@news20.bellglobal.com>n  L I just found a one of those cool license plate key chains in my desk drawer.  L One side has the designation of "UNIX", the state of "digital" and the motto "Live Free or Die"  I The other side has the designation of "Y W8 4 HP" (why wait for HP?), ther9 state of "California" and the motto "The Migration State"n  = I wonder how much Carly will pay me not to sell this on eBay?e    :-)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:41:41 +0100d0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: fetch_http problemt4 Message-ID: <b9t30m$ndm$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  5 One of our business partners emails us links to csvs.a@ The link works fine in ie & mozilla, but fetch_http returns 404.   $ fetch_http -a "http://somethg.somewhere.co.uk/autorep/Integrated/CCA01/2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv"-c
   test.csv HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Connection: Closem Content-Type: text/htmlh Content-Length: 77" Server: SpecSoft Web Server v2.16i   Any ideas anyone ?@ I cut it & pasted it very carefully, and then I cut it from the E fetch_http line (which had failed) & pasted it into ie, which worked.t  E I can use the MX site interface to intercept the email & extract the  > url, but fetching the contents with fetch_http has me stumped.  K It's only this url - I've used fetch_http with other urls without problems. E I've munged the url, sorry - the data is kind of sensitive, but I've t preserved the layout & length.   Thanks,r Chrisn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:49:36 +0200o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>c Subject: Re: fetch_http problemt' Message-ID: <3EC21130.A4038D96@aaa.com>e   Proxy server ? I use the following syntax :  4 $ FETCH_HTTP <URL> <LOCAL-FILE> -b -p <PROXY_SERVER>  	 Jan-Erik./   Chris Sharman wrote: > 7 > One of our business partners emails us links to csvs.bB > The link works fine in ie & mozilla, but fetch_http returns 404. >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:34:08 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: fetch_http problem 4 Message-ID: <b9t631$j94$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:" > Proxy server ? > I use the following syntax : > 6 > $ FETCH_HTTP <URL> <LOCAL-FILE> -b -p <PROXY_SERVER>   No, don't use proxy server.u' As I say, it works fine for other urls.    Thanks,  Chris    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:57:28 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: fetch_http problemo6 Message-ID: <00A1FD55.665AD155@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  g In article <b9t631$j94$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:  >Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: >> Proxy server ?e >> I use the following syntax :e >> g7 >> $ FETCH_HTTP <URL> <LOCAL-FILE> -b -p <PROXY_SERVER>a >c >No, don't use proxy server.( >As I say, it works fine for other urls.  K It might be doing some kind of mapping based on the user agent, which fails I if fetch_http doesn't supply the right "fake" header.  You might try wgetTI (which has a VMS port maintained by a poster to this newsgroup); I use itiG extensively and it works very well for me.  You can tell wget to supply  a working user-agent header.   -- Alant -- aO ===============================================================================a0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056iM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025sO ===============================================================================s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:53:01 +0200n9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: fetch_http problems' Message-ID: <3EC2200D.B668776C@aaa.com>.   Chris Sharman wrote: >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:S > > Proxy server ?  > > I use the following syntax : > > 8 > > $ FETCH_HTTP <URL> <LOCAL-FILE> -b -p <PROXY_SERVER> >  > No, don't use proxy server.b) > As I say, it works fine for other urls.s  , Well, I saw that, but they could *have* been inside your proxy, right ?  	 Jan-Erik.s   > 	 > Thanks,  > Chrisu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:21:33 +0100u0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: fetch_http problemi4 Message-ID: <b9t8ru$mjv$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:t >  > Chris Sharman wrote: >  >>Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:M >> >>>Proxy server ?. >>>I use the following syntax :a >>> 7 >>>$ FETCH_HTTP <URL> <LOCAL-FILE> -b -p <PROXY_SERVER>e >> >>No, don't use proxy server.m) >>As I say, it works fine for other urls.h >  > . > Well, I saw that, but they could *have* been > inside your proxy, right ?  D True - in fact most of them were local, so I searched google for an ' 'outside' csv to try before posting ...e   Thanks.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:29:56 +0100,0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: fetch_http problema+ Message-ID: <3EC236C4.2030206@sorry.nospam>b  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:i > In article <b9t631$j94$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:) >  >>Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:o >> >>>Proxy server ?o >>>I use the following syntax :r >>> 7 >>>$ FETCH_HTTP <URL> <LOCAL-FILE> -b -p <PROXY_SERVER>t >> >>No, don't use proxy server.e) >>As I say, it works fine for other urls.J >  > M > It might be doing some kind of mapping based on the user agent, which fails K > if fetch_http doesn't supply the right "fake" header.  You might try wgetoK > (which has a VMS port maintained by a poster to this newsgroup); I use ittI > extensively and it works very well for me.  You can tell wget to supplyt > a working user-agent header.  6 Fetched & build wget (from antinode.org) - looks good.F Same problem, although I've faithfully copied my browser's User-Agent  string.f  B Is there a way to inspect the dialog of mozilla, ie, or anything ?G Interestingly, Opera appears to only read the page when spoofing as IE  L or Mozilla, not as itself, so this would appear to be a partial explanation.   Chriso  B $ wget -d "-S" "-UMozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; " rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312" "http:..."+ DEBUG output created by Wget 1.5.3h on VMS.m  0 parseurl ("http:...") -> host (correct).co.uk ->I opath autorep/Integrated/CCA01/2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv -> a dir autorep/Integrated/CCA01 ->e. file 2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv -> ndir autorep/Integrated/CCA01u
 --13:12:03--  Y http://(correct).co.uk:80/autorep/Integrated/CCA01/2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csvn7             => `2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv'i1 Connecting to (correct).co.uk:80... Created fd 3. 
 connected! ---request begin---nE GET /autorep/Integrated/CCA01/2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv m HTTP/1.0D User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3)  Gecko/20030312 Host: (correct).co.uk:80 Accept: */*u   ---request end---o> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Connection: Close   * 2 Connection: CloseContent-Type: text/html  + 3 Content-Type: text/htmlContent-Length: 77y  6 4 Content-Length: 77Server: SpecSoft Web Server v2.16i  $ 5 Server: SpecSoft Web Server v2.16i   6  Closing fd 3 13:12:04 ERROR 404: Not Found.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:31:33 +0100.0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: fetch_http problemo4 Message-ID: <b9tcv6$r2o$2$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:i > In article <b9t631$j94$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:o >  >>Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:r >> >>>Proxy server ?D >>>I use the following syntax :a >>>o7 >>>$ FETCH_HTTP <URL> <LOCAL-FILE> -b -p <PROXY_SERVER>  >> >>No, don't use proxy server.r) >>As I say, it works fine for other urls.T >  > M > It might be doing some kind of mapping based on the user agent, which failseK > if fetch_http doesn't supply the right "fake" header.  You might try wgetdK > (which has a VMS port maintained by a poster to this newsgroup); I use itaI > extensively and it works very well for me.  You can tell wget to supplyi > a working user-agent header.  6 Fetched & build wget (from antinode.org) - looks good.F Same problem, although I've faithfully copied my browser's User-Agent  string.:  B Is there a way to inspect the dialog of mozilla, ie, or anything ?G Interestingly, Opera appears to only read the page when spoofing as IE aL or Mozilla, not as itself, so this would appear to be a partial explanation.   Chrisp  B $ wget -d "-S" "-UMozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; " rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312" "http:..."+ DEBUG output created by Wget 1.5.3h on VMS.   0 parseurl ("http:...") -> host (correct).co.uk ->I opath autorep/Integrated/CCA01/2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv ->   dir autorep/Integrated/CCA01 ->i. file 2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv -> ndir autorep/Integrated/CCA01<
 --13:12:03-- gY http://(correct).co.uk:80/autorep/Integrated/CCA01/2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csvr7             => `2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv'A1 Connecting to (correct).co.uk:80... Created fd 3. 
 connected! ---request begin---SE GET /autorep/Integrated/CCA01/2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv a HTTP/1.0D User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3)  Gecko/20030312 Host: (correct).co.uk:80 Accept: */*t   ---request end--- > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Connection: Closeo  * 2 Connection: CloseContent-Type: text/html  + 3 Content-Type: text/htmlContent-Length: 77   6 4 Content-Length: 77Server: SpecSoft Web Server v2.16i  $ 5 Server: SpecSoft Web Server v2.16i   6s Closing fd 3 13:12:04 ERROR 404: Not Found.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2003 13:33:29 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)  Subject: Re: fetch_http problem : Message-ID: <b9tgj9$ac8$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  4 In message <b9t30m$ndm$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,4   Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:6 >One of our business partners emails us links to csvs.A >The link works fine in ie & mozilla, but fetch_http returns 404.  >e >$ fetch_http --b >"http://somethg.somewhere.co.uk/autorep/Integrated/CCA01/2003-05-13-A8418-S0406-Ablah-Rblah.csv"- >  test.csvk >HTTP/1.1 404 Not Foundg  O My guess is that you are using a version of fetch_http which does not include a J host header with its requests and the web server is hosting several domainO names on the same IP address.  Without a host header, the server would probablyeN default to the web site of the service company that is running the web server.  G What do get back if you "$ fetch_http http://somethg.somewhere.co.uk/"?     < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:16:41 GMTf' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>f Subject: Re: fetch_http problemi* Message-ID: <3EC26BE8.20909@theblakes.com>   Chris Sharman wrote:  E > Is there a way to inspect the dialog of mozilla, ie, or anything ?     You mean like this:e   $ define NSPR_LOG_FILE tt:$ $ define NSPR_LOG_MODULES "nsHttp:5"$ $ @sys$common:[mozilla]mozilla <URL>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:33:41 +0100i0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>( Subject: Re: fetch_http problem - solved4 Message-ID: <b9tgjn$ck9$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Chris Sharman wrote: > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:e >  >> Proxy server ?e >> I use the following syntax :r >>7 >> $ FETCH_HTTP <URL> <LOCAL-FILE> -b -p <PROXY_SERVER>l  G My copies of fetch_http appear to incorrectly prefix the hostname with r8 "/" - this is apparently sufficient to upset the server H (homegrown/concealed, on Win98) in question, although most servers cope.  F Wget suffixes the hostname with a redundant ":80" (port number). This C isn't an error, but again is apparently enough to upset the server.m  & So I've a fixed version of fetch_http.I The source I've fixed came from Lemke/Levitte, and contained a number of l? trivial errors preventing compilation, which makes me slightly - suspicious of it.   + Does anyone know of a 'definitive' source ?h$ Would anyone like my modified copy ?  A I've not 'fixed' wget, because it's not actually broken, and one 4 solution is enough for me.   Thanks everyone, Chris*   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:52:27 GMTc% From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com>e' Subject: Re: How do i analyse TCPDump ?*0 Message-ID: <LKswa.807$WS1.596@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,s  & You can analyze TCPIPtrace output with
 Ethereal : http://www.ethereal.com/  L Ethereal is a free network protocol analyzer for Unix and Windows. It allowsK you to examine data from a live network or from a capture file on disk. YouaE can interactively browse the capture data, viewing summary and detailuD information for each packet. Ethereal has several powerful features,D including a rich display filter language and the ability to view the& reconstructed stream of a TCP session.  L It can also read traces made from Lucent/Ascend WAN routers and Toshiba ISDNI routers, as well as the text output from VMS's TCPIPtrace utility and theeI DBS Etherwatch utility for VMS. Any of these files can be compressed withe2 gzip and Ethereal will decompress them on the fly.- "ravi" <hm.ravi@digital.com> wrote in message ) news:He5wa.744$8H.427@news.cpqcorp.net...m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:19:27 GMTe% From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: how to use smg$create_menu in vax macro language?0 Message-ID: <jvqwa.796$nI1.296@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 Example-MACRO Using RTL SMG Routines To Display A Menu) STARS Unique Id: 00943792-C7B5A420-1C01E7 K Copyright (c) Digital Equipment Corporation 1990, 1991. All rights reservedm  D COMPONENT:  MACRO                                       OP/SYS:  VMS  + SOURCE:     Digital Customer Support Centeru   VERSION INFORMATION:  /      Information Applies To:  VMS, All VersionsU    	 OVERVIEW:   ? The following MACRO example demonstrates using Run Time LibrarynA Screen Management (SMG) routines to display a menu and manipulate = a pasteboard.  A pasteboard is the logical structure used foru2 performing output operations to a terminal screen.     *** CAUTION ***N  @ This sample program has been tested using VAX MACRO on VMS V5.4.> However, DIGITAL cannot guarantee its effectiveness because of< the possibility of error in transmitting or implementing it.9 It is meant to be used as a template for writing your ownh@ program, and it may require modification for use on your system.     SAMPLE PROGRAM:s           .TITLE  CHG_PBD.MARo= ;       This program calls Run-time Library Screen Managemente? ;       routines to display a menu, change the pasteboard (pbd)d< ;       characteristics to screen width 132, set a scrolling< ;       region, erase the display, and change the pasteboard. ;       characteristics back to 80, in a loop. ;          $SMGDEF  ;p(         .PSECT  $DATA,WRT,NOEXE,QUAD,CON START_LINE:          .LONG   2i	 END_LINE:.         .LONG   24 COUNTER:         .BLKL 18	 NEW_KBID:B         .BLKL   1t	 NEW_VDID:U         .BLKL   1 	 NEW_PBID:          .BLKL   1  PB_ROWS:         .BLKL   1  PB_COLS:         .BLKL   1 
 SCROLL_UP:         .LONG   SMG$M_UP REVERSE_VIDEO:         .LONG   SMG$M_REVERSEa TERMINAL_DEVICE:         .ASCID  /SYS$OUTPUT/ MINIMAL_UPDATE:y         .LONG   SMG$M_MINUPD
 MENU_TEXT:=         .ASCID  /THIS IS THE MENU - PRESS RETURN TO CONTINUE/r REPORT_TEXT:;         .ASCID  /THIS IS THE REPORT TEXT AT 132 CHARACTERS/r REPORT_TEXT_2:F         .ASCID  /THIS IS THE testing scrolling TEXT AT 132 CHARACTERS/ ;v	 CARR_RET:e         .BLKL   10 ;e ONE:    .LONG   1o ROW:    .LONG   1c COL:    .LONG   1  ; 
 WIDTH_132:         .LONG   132l	 WIDTH_80:m         .LONG   80 ;e ;h,         .PSECT  $CODE,EXE,NOWRT,LONG,PIC,SHR ;f         .ENTRY  BEGIN, ^M<>  ;u/ ;       establish terminal screen as pasteboardt ; <         PUSHAB  PB_COLS                         ; column one9         PUSHAB  PB_ROWS                         ; row one          PUSHAB  TERMINAL_DEVICEeB         PUSHAB  NEW_PBID                        ; pasteboard id isF         CALLS   #4,G^SMG$CREATE_PASTEBOARD      ; returned in new_pbid         BSBW    ERROR  ;i         PUSHAB  MINIMAL_UPDATE         PUSHAB  NEW_PBID%         CALLS   #2,G^SMG$CONTROL_MODE          BSBW    ERRORd ; ( ;       establish virtual display region ;MD         PUSHAB  NEW_VDID                        ; virtual display id<         PUSHAB  PB_COLS                         ; column one9         PUSHAB  PB_ROWS                         ; row one-/         CALLS   #3,G^SMG$CREATE_VIRTUAL_DISPLAY1         BSBW    ERRORB ;n/ ;       paste virtual display to the pasteboard: ;s         PUSHAB  ONE          PUSHAB  ONE$?         PUSHAB  NEW_PBID                        ; pasteboard idkD         PUSHAB  NEW_VDID                        ; virtual display id.         CALLS   #4,G^SMG$PASTE_VIRTUAL_DISPLAY         BSBW    ERRORd ;s ;       create keyboard id ; =         PUSHAL  NEW_KBID                        ; keyboard idh0         CALLS   #1,G^SMG$CREATE_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD         BSBW    ERROR  ;t& ;       put characters to display menu ;-         CLRL    R5 ;0
 MAIN_LOOP: ;0         MOVL    #5,COL         CLRL    R2         MOVL    #2,COUNTER LOOP1: ; , ;       write menu - 80 width - no scrolling ;1         MOVL    COUNTER,ROWnC         PUSHAL  COL                             ; starting at col 5v7         PUSHAL  ROW                             ; row 1d         PUSHAQ  MENU_TEXTe         PUSHAL  NEW_VDID"         CALLS   #4,G^SMG$PUT_CHARS         BSBW    ERRORa ;a@ ;       implement loop to write 10 single spaced lines to screen ;          INCL    COUNTERr         INCL    R2         CMPL    R2,#10         BLSS    LOOP1  ;i ;       wait for a responsen ;n         PUSHAQ  CARR_RET         PUSHAL  NEW_KBID$         CALLS   #2,G^SMG$READ_STRING         BSBW    ERRORn ;  ;       erase display- ;-         PUSHAL  NEW_VDID&         CALLS   #1,G^SMG$ERASE_DISPLAY         BSBW    ERRORy ;s0 ;       change pasteboard characteristics to 132 ;mD         PUSHAL  WIDTH_132                           ; set up for 132         PUSHAL  NEW_PBIDC         CALLS   #2,G^SMG$CHANGE_PBD_CHARACTERISTICS ;chg width fromL>         BSBW    ERROR                               ;80 to 132 ;N6 ;       set display to scroll region from line 2 to 24 ;rB         PUSHAL  END_LINE                            ;end scrollingA                                                     ;  at line 24 D         PUSHAL  START_LINE                          ;begin scrolling@                                                     ;  at line 2         PUSHAL  NEW_VDID5         CALLS   #3,G^SMG$SET_DISPLAY_SCROLLING_REGION          BSBW    ERRORc ;i ;l ;       put lines to display ;.         CLRL    R2 ;e LOOP2: ;uD ;   write lines to screen with scrolling - 132 width - reverse video ; B         PUSHAB  REVERSE_VIDEO                       ;set rev videoD         PUSHAB  SCROLL_UP                           ;indicate scrollD         PUSHAQ  REPORT_TEXT                         ;display message         PUSHAL  NEW_VDID(         CALLS   #4,G^SMG$PUT_WITH_SCROLL         BSBW    ERROR  ;MB         PUSHAB  REVERSE_VIDEO                       ;set rev videoD         PUSHAB  SCROLL_UP                           ;indicate scrollD         PUSHAQ  REPORT_TEXT_2                       ;display messageC         PUSHAL  NEW_VDID                            ;to show scrolls(         CALLS   #4,G^SMG$PUT_WITH_SCROLL         BSBW    ERRORg4 ;       loop through this scrolling display 50 times         AOBLSS  #50,R2,LOOP2 ;i ;       erase displayf ; B         PUSHAL  NEW_VDID                            ;erase virtual>         CALLS   #1,G^SMG$ERASE_DISPLAY              ;  display         BSBW    ERROR? ; 4 ;       change pasteboard characteristics back to 80 ;(D         PUSHAL  WIDTH_80                            ;set width to 80         PUSHAL  NEW_PBID3         CALLS   #2,G^SMG$CHANGE_PBD_CHARACTERISTICS          BSBW    ERRORB ;  ;       loop through five times  ;CF         AOBLSS  #5,R5,GO_AGAIN                      ; go through wholeE                                                     ;2 displays 5 x'sL         $EXIT_S R0 ;T	 GO_AGAIN:  ;          JMP     MAIN_LOOP  ERROR:         BLBC    R0,10$         RSB  ;  10$:    $EXIT_S R0         .END    BEGINP   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:36:16 GMT % From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com>T> Subject: Re: how to use smg$create_menu in vax macro language?0 Message-ID: <4Lqwa.798$pO1.678@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,2  ? you can find other examples by typing the query smg$create_menuE in0 http://www.compaq.fr/support/ask/askvms/home.asp   hth, HF           from HP's website2  D       1.  Example-C++ Using SMG$CREATE_MENU And SMG$SELECT_FROM_MENUL      PROGRAM NOTES: Compile, link and run the program: $ CXX smg_menu $ LINKG smg_menu $ RUN smg_menu PROGRAM: #include <stdio.h> #include <string.h>T #includeB      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/CHAMP_SR       C940725003917.html  =       2.  Example PASCAL Using SMG$ Routines To Create A Menub5      PROGRAM SAMPLE: [INHERIT ('sys$library:starlet',eF 'sys$library:pascal$smg_routines', 'sys$library:pascal$lib_routines')]2 PROGRAM smg_menu(input,output); TYPE unsigned_wordB      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/0091A391       -130F4B80-1C01E7.htmlm  K       3.  [OpenVMS] SMG$CREATE_MENU and SMG$C_SPEC_GRAPHICS Produce Invalidl Argument  L http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/CTI_SRC891002002 127.htmlB      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/C       TI_SRC891002002127.htmlo  A       4.  Example-C How To Display Color Text Using SMG$ RoutinesgH      The SMG$M_USER1 through SMG$M_USER8 can be used to set user-definedA attributes for the rendition-set argument to the following calls:h SMG$CHANGE_RENDITIONB      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/CHAMP_SR       C940221001554.html  I       5.  [OpenVMS] SMG$M_FULL_FIELD Doesn't Highlight the Full Menu ItemrJ      PRODUCTS: OpenVMS VAX Versions 6.0, 6.1 OpenVMS AXP Versions 1.5, 6.1F COMPONENT: Screen Management Facility (SMG$) SOURCE: Digital Equipment! Corporation SYMPTOM: When callingWB      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/C       TI_SRC940504007281.htmln  E       6.  Example-Ada Using SMG$CREATE_MENU Aand SMG$SELECT_FROM_MENUe  J http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/11SEP92COS_ADA92.htmlB      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/11SEP92C       OS_ADA92.htmlc  @       7.  [OpenVMS] SMG$CREATE_MENU Menu Choices Size Limitation  L http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/CHAMP_SRC940330007135.h tml B      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/CHAMP_SR       C940330007135.html  F       8.  Example-COBOL Using SMG$CREATE_MENU And SMG$SELECT_FROM_MENU  L http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/0094A032-9EACA2A0-1C009 F.htmlB      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/0094A032       -9EACA2A0-1C009F.htmlP  H       9.  Example-FORTRAN Using SMG$CREATE_MENU And SMG$SELECT_FROM_MENU  L http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/0094C77E-925AAD80-1C006 9.htmlB      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/appl_tools/0094C77E       -925AAD80-1C0069.htmli  H       10.  Example-MACRO: Using SMG$CREATE_MENU and SMG$SELECT_FROM_MENU  L http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/0094113A-0153788
 0-1C009F.html B      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/0"       094113A-01537880-1C009F.html       begin 666 spacer.gif= K1TE&.#EA`0`!`(#_`,# P ```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P``a `- endo   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:21:02 GMTh% From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com>e> Subject: Re: how to use smg$create_menu in vax macro language?0 Message-ID: <Owqwa.797$nN1.648@news.cpqcorp.net>  = Example-MACRO: Using SMG$CREATE_MENU and SMG$SELECT_FROM_MENU0) STARS Unique Id: 0094113A-01537880-1C009F K Copyright (c) Digital Equipment Corporation 1989, 1990. All rights reservedp  @ COMPONENT:  MACRO                                   OP/SYS:  VMS  + SOURCE:     Digital Customer Support Centeru   VERSION INFORMATION:  C      Information Applies To:  VMS, Versions 4.n, 5.0, 5.0-1, 5.0-2,cD                                             5.1, 5.1-B, 5.1-1, 5.1-2C                                             5.2, 5.2-1, 5.3, 5.3-1,eD                                             5.3-2, 5.4, 5.4-1, 5.4-2    	 OVERVIEW::  @ The following MACRO program demonstrates how to call the utilityD routines 'SMG$CREATE_MENU' and 'SMG$SELECT_FROM_MENU'.  This programA generates the same output as the PASCAL example presented on page E SMG-333 of the "VMS RTL Screen Management (SMG$) Manual", April 1988.d     CAUTION:  B This sample program has been tested using VAX MACRO on VMS V5.4-1.= However, we cannot guarantee its effectiveness because of thelE possibility of error in transmitting or implementing it.  It is meantsA to be used as a template for writing your own program, and it mays, require modification for use on your system.     EXAMPLE PROGRAM:  G         .title  create_menu Macro Example of a Create/Select Menu callsk  E ;       This program remains active until the user issues a Control-Z2 ;       character. ;A!         .macro  check_status, ?l1v         blbs    r0, l1         pushl   r0         calls   #1, g^lib$stop l1:     .endm   check_status ;y1 ;       Get Library Macros/Constant Declarations.r ;n@         $dscdef                         ; Descriptor Definitions:         $smgdef                         ; SMG Definitions.   String_Size = 9s Array_Elements = 9  0         .sbttl  User_Data User Data Declarations ;v ;       Variable Declarations. ;e/         .psect  User_Data, rd, wrt, noexe, long> ;rC ; Define a descriptor of the menu items.  This is a one dimensional @ ; array of fixed character strings.  For more information on theG ; Array Descriptor, refer to the "Introduction to VMS System Routines",c% ; June 1990, pages 2-22 through 2-25.@ ;.G Options:               ; Descriptor of a array of fixed length strings..  D         .word String_Size       ; dsc$w_length - Length of 1 element@         .byte dsc$k_dtype_t     ; dsc$b_dtype - Character String;         .byte dsc$k_class_a     ; dsc$b_class - Array Class E         .address Option_Elements; dsc$a_pointer - Pointer to elementse:         .byte 0                 ; dsc$b_scale - No scaling:         .byte 0                 ; dsc$b_digits - No Digits6         .byte <<1@dsc$v_fl_coeff>!<1@dsc$v_fl_bounds>>A                                 ; dsc$b_aflags, multipliers blocki8                                 ; and bounds informationC         .byte 1                 ; dsc$b_dimct, number of dimensionsr(         .long String_Size*Array_elements:                                 ; dsc$l_arsize, array size ;DB ; The next two quadword blocks represent the multiplier and bounds ; information. ;uA         .address Option_Elements; dsc$a_a0 - Address of 0th arrayu>         .long Array_Elements    ; dsc$l_m1 - Size of the array8         .long 1                 ; dsc$l_l1 - Lower limit8         .long Array_Elements    ; dsc$l_u1 - Upper limit  > Option_elements:                        ;Table of menu choices         .ascii  /Northwest/          .ascii  /North    /n         .ascii  /Northeast/e         .ascii  /West     /e         .ascii  /Equator  /l         .ascii  /East     /h         .ascii  /Southwest/          .ascii  /South    /o         .ascii  /Southeast/n ;h) ; Verify that array matches what we want.t ;pB         ASSUME <.-Option_Elements> EQ <String_Size*Array_Elements>  I Selected:       .ascid  /         /     ; Selected menu item value string C Number:         .word   0               ; Selected menu item NumberuD Def_Number:     .word   5               ; Default starting menu item7 PB_Id:          .long   0               ; Pasteboard ID 5 KB_ID:          .long   0               ; Keyboard IDaD Display1:       .long   0               ; Display ID 1 (main window)H Display2:       .long   0               ; Display ID 2 (Selection return?                                         ;               window)t: Term:           .word   0               ; Terminator Value; Display_Attributes:                     ; Window Attributesn$                 .long   SMG$M_BORDER@ Rendition_Complement:                   ; Make menu entries bold"                 .long   SMG$M_BOLDE Flags:          .long   SMG$M_DOUBLE_SPACE ; Blank line between itemsnE Menu_Type:      .long   SMG$K_BLOCK     ; Make menu Items fill windowaF Rows:           .long   0               ; Local - Number, Starting RowI Columns:        .long   0               ; Local - Number, Starting Column0  ;         .sbttl  CREATE_MENU Code to create the Menu WindowsD ;CD ; This code creates an association between the user screen, keyboardG ; and two windows.  The main window contains the menu options and takessD ; the keyboard actions.  The second window displays the value of the ; selected menu item.( ;y	 ; Inputs:  ;h4 ;       None - Invoked from DCL - Main Routine Only. ;  ; Implicit Inputs: ;g< ;       Data Items from variable declarations section above. ;n ; Side Effects:  ; < ;       User Screen is cleared and used as display for Menu. ;o/         .psect  User_Code, rd, nowrt, exe, longd!         .ENTRY  CREATE_MENU, ^M<>" ;o) ; Associate the screen to the pasteboard._ ;)G         pushab  PB_ID                           ; PasteBoard ID AddresseG         calls   #1, g^smg$create_pasteboard     ; Create the pasteboard-=         check_status                            ; Verify callo ;m( ; Create an association to the keyboard. ;gH         pushab  kb_id                           ; Address of keyboard IDH         calls   #1, g^smg$create_virtual_keyboard      ; Create keyboardD         check_status                                   ;  and verify ;g) ; Create the display for the Menu Output.w ; D         movzbl  #3, Rows                        ; Set number of rowsG         movzbl  #12, Columns                    ; set number of columnsmD         pushab  display_attributes              ; Border the display<         pushab  display2                        ; Display IDC         pushab  columns                         ; Number Of Columnsa@         pushab  rows                            ; Number of RowsD         calls   #4, g^smg$create_virtual_display; Create the display         check_status ;u" ; Create the display for the Menu. ;PD         movzbl  #6, Rows                        ; Set number of rowsG         movzbl  #37, Columns                    ; set number of columnsdD         pushab  display_attributes              ; Border the display<         pushab  display1                        ; Display IDC         pushab  columns                         ; Number Of Columnsg@         pushab  rows                            ; Number of RowsD         calls   #4, g^smg$create_virtual_display; Create the display         check_status ;e ; Put up the output display. ; D         movzbl  #2, Rows                        ; Set number of rowsG         movzbl  #16, Columns                    ; set number of columns)E         pushab  Columns                         ; Set Column to PlacewB         pushab  Rows                            ; Set Row to placeE         pushab  pb_id                           ; Use this pasteboard6B         pushab  display2                        ; use this displayC         calls   #4, g^smg$paste_virtual_display ; Paste the displayn         check_status ;  ; Put up the Menu display. ;lD         movzbl  #10, Rows                       ; Set number of rowsG         movzbl  #10, Columns                    ; set number of columns"E         pushab  Columns                         ; Set Column to Place)F         pushab  Rows                            ; Set the Row to placeE         pushab  pb_id                           ; Use this pasteboard B         pushab  display1                        ; use this displayC         calls   #4, g^smg$paste_virtual_display ; Paste the displaye         check_status ;45 ; Create and map the Menu to the main (menu) display.a ; D         pushab  rendition_complement            ; Set the complement=         clrq    -(sp)                           ; Null Values A         pushab  flags                           ; Menu Attributes B         pushab  menu_type                       ; Set block format<         pushab  Options                         ; Menu ItemsE         pushab  display1                        ; Use the big displaymA         calls   #7, g^smg$create_menu           ; Create the Menud         check_status ;pA ; Read Menu selection from the keyboard returning the item numbern? ; and its description value (string).  When Control Z is input, " ; exit the loop and return to DCL. ;tG         movl    #smg$m_return_immed, flags      ; Complete on selectionhH Loop:   pushab  selected                        ; Return Selected stringA         pushab  term                            ; terminator code ;                                                 ;  returnedh=         clrq    -(sp)                           ; Null values1;         pushab  flags                           ; New Flags6@         pushab  def_number                      ; Default choiceA                                                 ;   (Start point)lA         pushab  number                          ; Selected ChoiceE<         pushab  display1                        ; Display Id=         pushab  kb_id                           ; Keyboard ID C         calls   #9, g^smg$select_from_menu      ; Get the Menu Item-E         cmpl    #smg$_eof, r0                   ; Check For Control Zr         beql    endr         check_status ;fC ; Take the selected string value and place it in the output window.u ; ?         pushab  selected                        ; Get the valuewA         pushab  display2                        ; and put it hereRE         calls   #2, g^smg$put_line              ; Put line on display          check_statusF         movw    Number, Def_Number              ; Keep Display at last9                                                 ;  select =         brb     Loop                            ; Loop Arounds ;- ; User is done.A ;5E end:    movl    #1, r0                          ; Always Success heren<         ret                                     ; We're Done         .end    create_menu>     PROGRAM NOTES:  A To use the above example program, perform the following commands:L        $ MACRO create_menu      $ LINK create_menur      $ RUN create_menu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:27:34 +0100h( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>5 Subject: Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp jobw) Message-ID: <3EC23636.9E346452@127.0.0.1>    Trygve Aspenes wrote:; >  > Hellox > # > I want to do something like this:  > $! SendFileToHosts0 > $ ftp machine /username="***" /password="****" >    cd /some/dir=
 >    put 'P1'=	 >    quit= > $!  * You've not identified your TCP/IP package.  ? Still, if using TCPIP services, it is $ FTP machine /user /pass  /INPUT=filename.extS  > Multinet is $ FTP machine /user /pass /TAKE_FILE =filename.ext  C In each case, you'd create a filename.ext file, using DCL, with the= commands and filename in it. e.g.   $ open/write tmp send.ftp- $ write tmp "cd /some/dir" $ write tmp "put ",p10 $ write tmp "quit" $ close tmp5  B then your FTP command using SEND.FTP as the input file. Be carefulG specifying P1, because if you don't use quotes, it'll get translated toaD uppercase, and if your target system is case sensitive, you may have some more fun and games.   -- <? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:13:26 +0000n- From: Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> 1 Subject: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job-. Message-ID: <3EC232E6.6030509@nospamonline.no>   Helloi  ! I want to do something like this:> $! SendFileToHosth. $ ftp machine /username="***" /password="****"    cd /some/diru    put 'P1'k    quitm $!    E The problem is that the ftp job don't see the p1 parameter. Is there P1 anyone having a idea how to go round this problem>  H I have tried to copy the file to a tmp file and then send the tmp file, A but I am not quite satisfied with this solution. Then I lose the   original filename.   Thanks   Trygve   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:41:31 +0300e- From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi>e5 Subject: Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job-; Message-ID: <aQqwa.3065$M8.2275774@reader1.news.jippii.net>0   Somethin like this ?  = $ copy/ftp 'P1' machine"username password"::"/some/dir/''P1'"e   -Kari-  3 "Trygve Aspenes" <talong@nospamonline.no> kirjoitti - viestiss:3EC232E6.6030509@nospamonline.no...4 > Hello1 >e# > I want to do something like this:. > $! SendFileToHost 0 > $ ftp machine /username="***" /password="****" >    cd /some/dir>
 >    put 'P1'o	 >    quit  > $! >  >$F > The problem is that the ftp job don't see the p1 parameter. Is there3 > anyone having a idea how to go round this problem  >sI > I have tried to copy the file to a tmp file and then send the tmp file,tB > but I am not quite satisfied with this solution. Then I lose the > original filename. >  > Thanks >a > Trygve >n   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2003 12:21:31 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)l5 Subject: Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp jobg0 Message-ID: <b9tccb$g5e$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  ^ In article <3EC232E6.6030509@nospamonline.no>, Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> writes:" >I want to do something like this: >$! SendFileToHost/ >$ ftp machine /username="***" /password="****"g >   cd /some/dir >   put 'P1' >   quit >$!u >a >aF >The problem is that the ftp job don't see the p1 parameter. Is there 2 >anyone having a idea how to go round this problem >0I >I have tried to copy the file to a tmp file and then send the tmp file, lB >but I am not quite satisfied with this solution. Then I lose the  >original filename.-   You could use C-Kermit.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmanni  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +------------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html -------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:11:29 +03000% From: Gabriel Sterk <Gabi@aipm.co.il>T5 Subject: RE: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp jobFE Message-ID: <56A8F33832D49D44830C984AF95DC89A482489@hdex1.aipm.co.il>   & You could use 'COPY/FTP', for example:  7 $ copy/ftp/log machine"uname passwd"::"/some/dir/''p1'"1  ! Watch out for case sensitiveness.2   Regards,
 Gabriel Sterk3   -----Original Message-----4 From: Trygve Aspenes [mailto:talong@nospamonline.no]% Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:13 PMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma1 Subject: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp jobb     Hello$  ! I want to do something like this:n $! SendFileToHostm. $ ftp machine /username="***" /password="****"    cd /some/dir.    put 'P1'a    quiti $!   .. Thanks   Trygve   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:15:58 -0400e From: norm.raphael@metso.com5 Subject: Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job ? Message-ID: <OFDCEBA575.92D30507-ON85256D26.0048B5C9@metso.com>    Have you tried COPY/FTP?E The exact syntax depends on which version of which IP product you aree using.H An alternative is to write a (".cmd") file and use the FTP take command.    E From:  Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> on 05/14/2003 08:13 AM   9 Please respond to Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no>e   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:h  4 Subject:    howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job     Helloa  ! I want to do something like this:c $! SendFileToHostU. $ ftp machine /username="***" /password="****"    cd /some/diro    put 'P1'     quit? $!    D The problem is that the ftp job don't see the p1 parameter. Is there1 anyone having a idea how to go round this problem   G I have tried to copy the file to a tmp file and then send the tmp file, @ but I am not quite satisfied with this solution. Then I lose the original filename.   Thanks   Trygve   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:32:08 +0100r* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>5 Subject: Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job-+ Message-ID: <b9td09$vju@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>t  c "Trygve Aspenes" <talong@nospamonline.no> wrote in message news:3EC232E6.6030509@nospamonline.no...8  F > The problem is that the ftp job don't see the p1 parameter. Is there3 > anyone having a idea how to go round this probleme  A You can't do DCL substitution in program input: if you need to doC@ something like that, writing a temporary command file is usually? easiest. However, in this particular case COPY/FTP will do what/ you want anyway.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:35:34 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)( Subject: Re: Java "Unknown host" problem. Message-ID: <b9tr8m$dqd$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   ashoffman@comcast.net (Alan Hoffman) writes in article <838d7cb0.0305130815.7de1d8ee@posting.google.com> dated 13 May 2003 09:15:07 -0700:G >Our system person wasn't sure what you meant by tcpip stack but we are0 >running TCPIP version 5.3 e  = Yes, that's what I meant.  More specifically, you're running b8 "Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3".  & >on a Decstation DS10. I tried settingC >decw$display to localhost:0.0 and got the following message when Ii >tried to run Java:i >sE >Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect toaD >X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable  9 One more thing needed for that to work -- you must change4L SYS$STARTUP:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM (copy from .TEMPLATE if it doesn'tA exist) to load the TCPIP transport.  And then restart DECwindows.   F >Also when I ran "TCPIP SHOW HOST WSA1" I got the 2 minute timeout and >then an error message.d) >%TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not foundu >-RMS-E-RNF, record not foundb  H That confirms that your tcp/ip nameserver configuration is not working. + What you should be getting is an immediate w  ,     %TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found      -RMS-E-RNF, record not found  J Does "tcpip show host www.yahoo.com" work any better?  If not, perhaps youL should simply disable it, i.e. "tcpip set name_service /system/disable".  Or( adjust the retry and timeout parameters.  & delay = server_count * retry * timeout  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org1> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:16:53 GMTe2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: Large Vax requiredi+ Message-ID: <3EC25B70.10749E38@digital.com>    Brian Tillman wrote: > ) > >Looking for a large VAX system to buy.s > L > Gee, the VAX 11-782 was about as large as they came, or at least ours was. > Three cabs wide. > --K > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comb7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.oF > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991l: >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my companyG I know of a VAX 6000-610 that might need a new home in the near future.x< Some minor details: Its humungous (4 cabs with tape drives, ! but without the HSC95s and disks)l' requires 3-phase 220V and its in Israels -- sE ---------------------------------------------------------------------rE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.e? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----i Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------a   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 08:26:25 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)5 Subject: Re: Large Vax requiredo3 Message-ID: <ec$Ow8pYnPRA@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  W In article <3ec14f35$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes:I( >>Looking for a large VAX system to buy. > L > Gee, the VAX 11-782 was about as large as they came, or at least ours was. > Three cabs wide.  D    We had more than three extension cabs added on to our 11/780.  In%    total they were about 20 ft. long.f   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 02:24:59 -07005 From: Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp (Hiroyuki Tanaka)t3 Subject: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node namel= Message-ID: <68cfa44d.0305140124.195e5923@posting.google.com>    Dear Reader,  @ I would like to know how you look up a terminal servers hardwareD address from the node name via the QIO interface.  I wish to be ableD to look up a terminal server name DSRV and get the 08-00-xx-xx-xx-xx number.-  C I wish to do this from a program via QIO or am I suppose to read ana? indexed file to get this information.  Which manual is all thisn
 described in?u  < I am using DECnet IV.  Are there DECnet programming manuals.   Tanaka   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:33:41 GMT02 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>7 Subject: Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name + Message-ID: <3EC25F60.212C9E11@digital.com>V   Hiroyuki Tanaka wrote: >  > Dear Reader, > B > I would like to know how you look up a terminal servers hardwareF > address from the node name via the QIO interface.  I wish to be ableF > to look up a terminal server name DSRV and get the 08-00-xx-xx-xx-xx	 > number.l > E > I wish to do this from a program via QIO or am I suppose to read anrA > indexed file to get this information.  Which manual is all this  > described in?g > > > I am using DECnet IV.  Are there DECnet programming manuals. >  > Tanaka: If the DecServer is already defined in the DECnet database? then look for it's characteristics. If it isn't you'll have to p either:w: 1. login to the DS on a terminal connected directly and do    Local> SHOW SERVER  or$ 2. Look for a sticker on the DS box.   Mike --  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------oE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.e? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*sF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----K Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------C   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:12:14 +0100E9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>I7 Subject: Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name ? Message-ID: <b1aa85f24b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>O  * In message <3EC25F60.212C9E11@digital.com>=           Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> wrote:    > Hiroyuki Tanaka wrote: > >  > > Dear Reader, > > D > > I would like to know how you look up a terminal servers hardwareH > > address from the node name via the QIO interface.  I wish to be ableH > > to look up a terminal server name DSRV and get the 08-00-xx-xx-xx-xx > > number.T > > G > > I wish to do this from a program via QIO or am I suppose to read an C > > indexed file to get this information.  Which manual is all thisH > > described in?  > > @ > > I am using DECnet IV.  Are there DECnet programming manuals. > > 
 > > Tanaka< > If the DecServer is already defined in the DECnet databaseA > then look for it's characteristics. If it isn't you'll have to R	 > either: < > 1. login to the DS on a terminal connected directly and do >    Local> SHOW SERVERL > or& > 2. Look for a sticker on the DS box.  K Then double check it. I had one with an error in the address (D8 instead of K D7 somewhere I think), and another which was supplied by field service as aoG replacement, which must have been repaired, because the address bore no % relation to that printed on the case.P   >  > Mike   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/H   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 02:27:09 -0400 (EDT) + From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> D Subject: Re: MicroVAX and VAX models EOSL list (end of service life)I Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.53L-031.0305140209590.10970@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>   J I'd consider it likely that they have plenty of spares, traded back during upgrades to 700* machines. Isildur.    - On Tue, 13 May 2003, Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:t   > Brian Tillman wrote:6 > >Hmm..  I wonder where the 4000-505A and -600A fall. > >  > >LJ > They probably thought they had already killed off support and completely > overlooked them... >  > BarryL >  > -- >OA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOo >vC > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028U >Q >E >T   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:16:50 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>lD Subject: Re: MicroVAX and VAX models EOSL list (end of service life)? Message-ID: <6a1686f24b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   ; In message <Xns93799F10E2571weilandatpostcz@16.105.248.153>H1           Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> wrote:   D > > Also, Compaq and HP knew that they couldn't kill VMS outright soB > > quickly because they need the revenus to help prop up their PC@ > > operations. Remember that since the merger, the "enterprise"? > > business has been losing money (until last quarter where it2 > > started to pickup again).  > >  > ...2 >  > > D > > At this point in time, I wouldn't be surprised if as soon as VMS@ > > is commercially available on IA64, that they will declare itF > > "mature" on both Alpha and IA64, and customers will still continue< > > to be able to run the same version of VMS with little/noF > > improvements for many years on whatever IA64 boxes HP continues to > > build.   > ! > Hmm.. it makes sense. Very sad.  > G > BTW, does anybody know about some estimate expenses for Alpha ->IA64   > port ?  E No, but the following are some issues to consider (based on Vax-Alpha  experience).  H License upgrades for DEC/Compaq/HP operating system and layered productsB License upgrades for third party products (this one hurt us badly), Cost of recompiling and testing own softwareG Effort in working around non-transferable bits (e.g. retain old system,l' Charon-Alpha, rewrite from scratch etc)   I If you are replacing systems, rather than adding, try to get an agreementSJ which upgrades your licenses instead of buying new, but allows use on bothI platforms for a defined period (say 3 months?) for testing and migration.    >  > Jirka    -- t
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:12:57 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>D Subject: Re: MicroVAX and VAX models EOSL list (end of service life)0 Message-ID: <CFN377557515696528@news.cup.hp.com>  . On Wed, 14 May 2003 16:16:50 +0100 Alan Adams / <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:L   >> GH >> BTW, does anybody know about some estimate expenses for Alpha ->IA64 	 >> port ?e > G > No, but the following are some issues to consider (based on Vax-Alpha  > experience). > J > License upgrades for DEC/Compaq/HP operating system and layered productsD > License upgrades for third party products (this one hurt us badly). > Cost of recompiling and testing own softwareI > Effort in working around non-transferable bits (e.g. retain old system, ) > Charon-Alpha, rewrite from scratch etc)  > K > If you are replacing systems, rather than adding, try to get an agreement L > which upgrades your licenses instead of buying new, but allows use on bothK > platforms for a defined period (say 3 months?) for testing and migration.f >   8 Oh ya, but I meant the costs of porting OpenVMS to IA64.   J.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:25:03 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: "insomnee_a" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: next VMS versions/ Message-ID: <b9tjjv$ktp$1@titan.btinternet.com>F  H Consider this: A trainer of a VMS course I went on suggested OpenVMS may0 become a layered product on HP-UX. Any thoughts?    ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageNF news:rdeininger-1305032200120001@user-105n8oo.dialup.mindspring.com...L > In article <01KVSZ1CJE3KAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig- > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:S > H > >Can I go from 7.2-1 to 7.3-2 directly?  From 7.2-1 to 7.3-1 directly?> > >Can I go from TCPIP 5.0A to 5.4 directly?  To 5.3 directly? >bL > For upgrades to V7.3-1, see the upgrade and installation manual in the docG > set.  I don't remember the answer.  Also see the TCPIP release notes.C >7I > For upgrades to V7.3-2, my guess is direct upgrade from V7.2-1 won't becJ > supported.  V7.2-1 is already out of support.  I'm not sure about directF > upgrades from V7.2-2.  I expect upgrades from V7.3 or V7.3-1 will be > supported.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:43:07 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: next VMS versions1 Message-ID: <03051409430716@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>t  J > Consider this: A trainer of a VMS course I went on suggested OpenVMS may2 > become a layered product on HP-UX. Any thoughts?  O Why would anyone do this?  I believe you would have to create a translator akinDJ to the current Itanium port and end up with the same results as FX!32 (?).  L But then I said that about why would digital sell off its software, network, Alpha, ... oh bother...p     John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk    ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2003 14:53:57 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: next VMS versions5 Message-ID: <b9tla4$m90g9$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>1  / In article <b9tjjv$ktp$1@titan.btinternet.com>,C3 	"insomnee_a" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes:AJ > Consider this: A trainer of a VMS course I went on suggested OpenVMS may2 > become a layered product on HP-UX. Any thoughts? >   C Yeah, the guy who said that not only doesn't know what he's talking3D about, he apparently doesn't know what VMS is or even what an OS is.B The idea that he "teaches" anything related to computers is rather disturbing.-  9 If you paid for the course I would ask for my money back.t   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:09:30 GMT0# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>N Subject: Re: next VMS versionsI Message-ID: <K_swa.198918$kYH.17756@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   ? In the construction industry that would be considered to be thea= functional equivalent of placing a structure on an inadequate 8 foundation, leading to eventual and inevitable collapse.      ; "insomnee_a" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> wrote in message ) news:b9tjjv$ktp$1@titan.btinternet.com... F > Consider this: A trainer of a VMS course I went on suggested OpenVMS mayv2 > become a layered product on HP-UX. Any thoughts? >. >cA > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageM >NF news:rdeininger-1305032200120001@user-105n8oo.dialup.mindspring.com...? > > In article <01KVSZ1CJE3KAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>,: Phillip Helbig/ > > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  > >i@ > > >Can I go from 7.2-1 to 7.3-2 directly?  From 7.2-1 to 7.3-1	 directly?p@ > > >Can I go from TCPIP 5.0A to 5.4 directly?  To 5.3 directly? > > F > > For upgrades to V7.3-1, see the upgrade and installation manual in the doc B > > set.  I don't remember the answer.  Also see the TCPIP release notes. > >.B > > For upgrades to V7.3-2, my guess is direct upgrade from V7.2-1 won't beE > > supported.  V7.2-1 is already out of support.  I'm not sure aboutT directE > > upgrades from V7.2-2.  I expect upgrades from V7.3 or V7.3-1 wills be > > supported. >  >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:10:20 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> Subject: Re: next VMS versions0 Message-ID: <CFN377557497776157@news.cup.hp.com>  U On 14 May 2003 14=3A53=3A57 GMT bill=40cs=2Euofs=2Eedu =28Bill Gunshannon=29 wrote=3A   ? =3E In article =3Cb9tjjv$ktp$1=40titan=2Ebtinternet=2Ecom=3E=2CrK =3E =09=22insomnee=5Fa=22 =3Crobert=2Eheyes=40btinternet=2Ecom=3E writes=3AeQ =3E=3E Consider this=3A A trainer of a VMS course I went on suggested OpenVMS mayr; =3E=3E become a layered product on HP-UX=2E Any thoughts=3Fr =3E=3E A  W What kind of VMS course it was=3F The famous =22There is no future for VMS=22=2C which a is kindly sponsored by HP=3F   Jirkah   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 12:14:00 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t Subject: Re: next VMS versions3 Message-ID: <7y9owEGkkzF1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <b9tjjv$ktp$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "insomnee_a" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes:J > Consider this: A trainer of a VMS course I went on suggested OpenVMS may2 > become a layered product on HP-UX. Any thoughts?  /    Your trainer has no idea how computers work.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:31:22 +0000 (UTC)R+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)- Subject: Re: next VMS versions+ Message-ID: <b9tuha$sv5$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>n  ` In article <b9tla4$m90g9$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:0 >In article <b9tjjv$ktp$1@titan.btinternet.com>,4 >	"insomnee_a" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes:K >> Consider this: A trainer of a VMS course I went on suggested OpenVMS may 3 >> become a layered product on HP-UX. Any thoughts?g >>   > D >Yeah, the guy who said that not only doesn't know what he's talkingE >about, he apparently doesn't know what VMS is or even what an OS is. C >The idea that he "teaches" anything related to computers is rathern >disturbing. >i: >If you paid for the course I would ask for my money back. >m >billr     Bill,l  H Haven't you heard. HP have decided to ditch IA64 and stick with PA-RISC.L Hence they need to port VMS to PA-RISC however noone in HP is willing to payN for the port so they have decided to take simh update it to emulate the Alpha H chip and port it to run on HP-UX. Hence you will soon be able to run VMS  on HP-UX (running simh).      :)    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University  E PS. I hope I'm joking but given the history of the last few years ...e               >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.c >University of Scranton   |cB >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:50:44 -0400E0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> Subject: Re: next VMS versions$ Message-ID: <3ec281f6$1@news.si.com>  H >Can I go from 7.2-1 to 7.3-2 directly?  From 7.2-1 to 7.3-1 directly?    $ I went from V6.2 to V7.3-1 directly.  < >Can I go from TCPIP 5.0A to 5.4 directly?  To 5.3 directly?   I did the latter.a --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot coml5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.pD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:33:38 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> F Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS Article on InTech Brazil Magazine' Message-ID: <3EC245B2.88161F6B@vcu.edu>   C Fabio, if you are worrying about that, you better be aware that youeG spoke to the entire farking planet just now...   "Qua-Pla!"  (Good lucki in Klingon...)   jim    Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Oh yeah !b > C > Renato is one of the best/last OVMS specialists we have in Brazilr > 8 > I am at Petrobras by EDS, but not in automation team !: > I worked with the transportations systems (at Compaq PS)7 > and nowadays (EDS) I manage the supply system poweredh > by OVMS and Oracle RDB.m8 > Sap is trying to swallow the systems but.... hehhe ...B > I can't tell you because of some specific rules at the company !8 > If I  will be here until Jul, 2004 I will tell you ;-) > 9 > PS: Petrobras is the 14th oil producer in the world andi@ > 80% of the oil used by the country is produced in deep waters.= > We are the worldwide champions in deep water drilling for a : > long time. A lot of oil rigs in the sea, about 60-70 !!!9 > So I can say that OpenVMS powers Petrobras production !t > 9 > PS: Dont publish it officialy  or I will be fired ! :-)  > 	 > Regardsd >  > FC > 8 > --- Sue Skonetski <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote: > > From: Skonetski, Susan( > > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:36 AM > > To: Skonetski, SusanF > > Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS Article on InTech Brazil Magazine > >  > >s
 > > Folks, > > J > > Renato (OpenVMS Ambassador) has sent me the article referenced which IE > > have not included since it is in Portuguese.  I you would like it  > > please let me know.t > >n  > > OK for external distribution > >s > > Warm Regards,  > > Sue  > >r > >o! > > >  -----Original Message----- % > > > From:       Albuquerque, Renatom. > > > Sent:       Monday, May 12, 2003 4:15 PM > > > To: Skonetski, Susan; > > > Subject:    OpenVMS Article on InTech Brazil Magazine  > > >h > > > Hi Sue > > > Q > > > Do you remember that Silvia Pereira, from InTech Brazil Magazine, contacted M > > you asking for OpenVMS information? The article on OpenVMS appears on thed1 > > last issue. I will describe it briefly below.l > > >tG > > The article talks about VMSs history and quotes two Customers fromrJ > > Petrobras (Brazilian oil company) that were interviewed. They say thatI > > they run their automation and process control applications on OpenVMSyF > > since 1990 because it is stable, highly available and secure. TheyF > > also say that the market trend is to migrate these applications toH > > Windows, specially because of the OpenVMS costs, but they still have > > not scheduled any changes. > >eI > > > John Egolf was also interviewed. He said that since downtime is too Q > > expensive for the industry segment, many Customers (1000) have chosen OpenVMS M > > because of its high availability and scalability. And when the OpenVMS isnQ > > available on Itanium the OpenVMS solution will be cheaper and more attractive  > > to Customers.  > > >pF > > The worst thing in the article is the title. It says: "VMS: losing< > > space for Windows?". At least there is an question mark! > >s > > > Regards, > > >4 > > > Renato Albuquerque.a >  > =====  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > $ > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?0 > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 09:12:47 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)a! Subject: OpenVMS Pearl Wed May 14p= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305140812.3691230e@posting.google.com>e  ( ETL project at large credit card company  K Ascential's ETL tool, DataStage, together with Attunity Connect were chosen K as the ETL solution for the enterprise. DataStage is a leading ETL software J which includes a variety of drivers and adapters for the common relational, databases and popular packaged applications.  J DataStage's main strength is in the ability to extract, transform and loadI massive amount of data to a Data warehouse . Attunity Connect bridges the F gap when there is a need to load data from non-relational data sources and/or legacy applications.   F Attunity Connect provides native connectivity to RMS and RDB files andG exposes them via industry standards. In the specific scenario, AttunityrH Connect was chosen to provide a bridge from the DataStage to the variousA data sources on the OpenVMS machine via an ODBC standard. The key J differentiator was the ability to seamlessly incorporate CDD metadata intoJ the Attuntiy Connect repository and streamline the data migration process.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 09:14:34 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) P Subject: OpenVMS support for Additional Hardware on hp's new AlphaServer Systems= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305140814.518425aa@posting.google.com>e  @ .OpenVMS support for Additional Hardware on hp's new AlphaServer Systems  > D In May  2003, OpenVMS announces support for the following additionalB features and hardware options on the latest release of AlphaServer3 Systems, the ES47, ES80, and GS1280 series systems:o  F *       Hard partitions, which enable you to run multiple instances ofE the operating system concurrently in physically separate parts of thebE computer.  Such a configuration enables you to dedicate one partitionpE to running one or more applications, and another partition to runningmE one or more different  applications, and so on, with maximum hardware E security for each partition.  Hard partition support requires updated = firmware (V6.5 console set) and a hard partitioning patch kit  (VMS731_PARTITIONING-V0100).B *       2D and 3D graphics support by means of the ATI Radeon 7500C graphics card and a graphics software kit (VMS731_GRAPHICS-V0100).  D Support for the adapter on additional AlphaServers will be announced shortly.@ *       X.25 and WANDD support by means of the PBXDD card and an8 update to the X.25 and WANDD software (X25_V16ECO1 kit).  E Also included are patch kits that resolve the issues with CPUSPINWAIT-F and with logging an incorrect severity level for environmental events.E The CPUSPINWAIT problem has been fixed with the VMS731_Graphics-V0100 F patch kit, and the Environmental Events Logged with Incorrect SeverityC Level problem has been resolved with the VMS731_CPU270F-V0100 patchH kit.< The updated hp OpenVMS New Features and Release Notes for hp? AlphaServer ES47, ES80, and GS1280 Series Systems with detailed C information about this additional support will be available on thisa web site by May 21.ID For detailed configuration support, please reference the AlphaServer QuickSpec for your system at: D <http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/Division/10410.html>.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:45:24 GMT/2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>/ Subject: Re: OSU server questions ( byterange )P+ Message-ID: <3EC2540F.6E2F7A9B@digital.com>,   JF Mezei wrote:' >  >> tM > Also, while I am at it. That same file contains a definition for XBM bitmapi > images (image/x-xbm)L > This seems to work (to my susprise) on netscape on a mac with an xbm imageP > actually displayed. However, going to www.iana.org, the official list of media% > types does not include image/x-xbm.m > H > Does anyone know if the IANA list is complete ? Just curious as to whyO > image/x-xbm would have been used by netscape on mac and by dave jones when heaQ > setup the OSU server if this format is not on the official lists of mime types.p    Have a look at the discussion on0 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8031! (esp. discussion, lower on page.)t   ~mikee --  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------oE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.i? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*nF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------g -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----e Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------o   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2003 10:28:25 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)n! Subject: Printing to PCL-Printer?n0 Message-ID: <b9t5o9$coi$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  M is it possible to print to a networked PCL-printer from OpenVMS? Let's assumepM the network connection (LPR) is working. The question is, is there a symbiont ? or the like to print standard text files (with German Umlauts)?    Regards,    Christoph Gartmanni  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +------------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html -------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:10:10 +0200*, From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>% Subject: Re: Printing to PCL-Printer?f, Message-ID: <e7ft9b.fk9.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:g >  > Hello, > O > is it possible to print to a networked PCL-printer from OpenVMS? Let's assumel* > the network connection (LPR) is working.  F Which TCP/IP stack? With UCX/TCPIP you can use $ MC UCX/TCPIP$LPRSETUP& to set up LPR queues to your printers.  & > The question is, is there a symbiont  
 TCPIP$LPD_SMB-  A > or the like to print standard text files (with German Umlauts)?4  H This is a matter of the printer's setup (character set). You may need toC use a setup module, but using setup modules with LPR is restricted.mH However, you can use a TELNETSYM "relay queue" (via your LPR queue) with full printer symbiont support.   Albrecht Schloero   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2003 14:28:55 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) % Subject: Re: Printing to PCL-Printer?c0 Message-ID: <b9tjr7$j40$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  [ In article <e7ft9b.fk9.ln@news.hus-soft.de>, Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de> writes:T >Christoph Gartmann wrote: >> g	 >> Hello,a >> sP >> is it possible to print to a networked PCL-printer from OpenVMS? Let's assume+ >> the network connection (LPR) is working.  >gG >Which TCP/IP stack? With UCX/TCPIP you can use $ MC UCX/TCPIP$LPRSETUP ' >to set up LPR queues to your printers.j   It is Multinet V 4.3 . >1' >> The question is, is there a symbiont  >s >TCPIP$LPD_SMB  I The network connection as such is not a problem. It is more a question ofc generating PCL under OpenVMS.q   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +------------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html -------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 12:11:54 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: Printing to PCL-Printer?e3 Message-ID: <jCq6+nEQc0UW@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  f In article <b9tjr7$j40$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:] > In article <e7ft9b.fk9.ln@news.hus-soft.de>, Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de> writes:e >>Christoph Gartmann wrote:t >>> 
 >>> Hello, >>> Q >>> is it possible to print to a networked PCL-printer from OpenVMS? Let's assume , >>> the network connection (LPR) is working. >>H >>Which TCP/IP stack? With UCX/TCPIP you can use $ MC UCX/TCPIP$LPRSETUP( >>to set up LPR queues to your printers. >  > It is Multinet V 4.3 .  B We print to all our HP PCL-capable printers from VMS via Multinet.   >>( >>> The question is, is there a symbiont >> >>TCPIP$LPD_SMBe > K > The network connection as such is not a problem. It is more a question of. > generating PCL under OpenVMS.h  G Unless you actually send the code that tells the printer to recognize atB PCL command, or to start PostScript (most HP PCL printers also do C PostScript), you can simply send text.  We send text and PostScriptcM without any PCL, no problem.  We also have some PCL entries in sysdevctl.tlb  N that we use to do specific things, like change fonts for otherwize plain text.  E Look at the device reset and setup options in printer queue setup and)+ print command options, and get the VMS FAQ.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:20:22 GMTa< From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>% Subject: Re: Printing to PCL-Printer?50 Message-ID: <qVuwa.820$W02.148@news.cpqcorp.net>   Christoph Gartmann wrote: . > In article <e7ft9b.fk9.ln@news.hus-soft.de>,1  > Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de> writes:b >  >>Christoph Gartmann wrote:n >> >>> P >>>is it possible to print to a networked PCL-printer from OpenVMS? Let's assume+ >>>the network connection (LPR) is working.  >>H >>Which TCP/IP stack? With UCX/TCPIP you can use $ MC UCX/TCPIP$LPRSETUP( >>to set up LPR queues to your printers. >  > It is Multinet V 4.3 . > ' >>>The question is, is there a symbiont  >> >>TCPIP$LPD_SMBu > K > The network connection as such is not a problem. It is more a question ofd > generating PCL under OpenVMS.t  B A PCL printer prints plain text ASCII just fine with it's factory G default settings.  Share it with a Microsoft operating system, and you %D will need to send a setup module to it or have to live with reduced 3 printing area and other changes on your print jobs.g  I I have used setup modules with forms to sent PCL escape sequences to the  B printers to change their characteristics for different print jobs.  B Are you perhaps looking for a translator to translate ANSI escape  sequences to PCL?u  B The only translators that I am aware of are in DCPS and they will  translate ANSI to PostScript.t  B The other issue is that you are using LPD.  Depending on your LPD E implmentation, you may have to do special settings to get any escape  ! sequences through to the printer.-   -John-! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp0 Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:59:30 +0100e+ From: Rok Vidmar <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>m& Subject: Re: simh emulator and cluster& Message-ID: <3ec23db4$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>   Hans Vlems wrote: < > "Rok Vidmar" <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> schreef in bericht >>A >>  DECnet as the cluster communication protocol carrier? Hahaha!s >> >>-- p
 >>Regards, >>F >>Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si= >>National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 = >>Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464 
 >>Slovenia >> >  > K > That was indeed inaccurate. The text was meant to mean that not LANCP butn > DECnet-MOP was used toM > download the boorimages for the real VAX. The boot process took a good deale > longer than with twoE > physical vax systems owing to the load on the PC's network adapter.- > & > That sits more comfartable with you?     Of course.;   Do you expect LANCP MOP DLL to be faster than DECnet-MOP?*   -- n Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461n; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464- Slovenia   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 08:05:19 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>$ Subject: Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?6 Message-ID: <20030514080519.24685.qmail@nym.alias.net>  9 On 14 May 2003, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: 4 >In article <84onaVJ$4mdi@eisner.encompasserve.org>,1 >	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:D >> $K >> I feel the main difference is that for spam the bulk of the cost is paid"! >> by the victim, not the sender.e >>  J >> At least in the US, postal advertising rates mean it is paid for by theJ >> sender.  They get a discount for presorting the mail, but that is fair. > H >They also get a cheaper rate which means first-class mail customers are >paying to subsidize junk mail.f  G If it is anything like the Mailsort bulk mailing system operated by themG UK's Royal Mail, then the discount is not the result of a subsidy.  TheEG sender must label, sort, and bag the entire mailshot to qualify for the@? discount.  The initial sorting of the mail may be slightly lessyI labour-intensive than it was ten or so years ago, but I'd suspect this isQI still quite a significant cost to the postal service.  If anything, thosedI paying for first-class mail are subsidising people who don't use zip/posta3 codes, and those who write illegibly on envelopes.    F Anyway, such discount schemes aren't just for junk mail, your bank and' utility companies should use them too.         Doc. -- aK OpenVMS:  Eight out of ten hackers                    http://vmsbox.cjb.netrK           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.netn   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:27:01 GMTV& From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>$ Subject: Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <CFN377554697522685@news.cup.hp.com>  N On Tue, 13 May 2003 14:20:41 -0400 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  P > In my opinion, the only way to really stop this is to get the UN or some otherM > body to get worldwide implementation of anti-spam laws where a country will L > prosecute/execute/whatever anyone sending SPAM and if the country does notH > cooperate, the the country itself gets disconnected from the internet.I > (incentive for the country to eradicate spam that originates from that a	 country).s  O And just one step behind are new regulatory efforts to control whatever you're dL doing on internet, because you can be doing any other illegal things... no, M thanks, I don't want any kind of such regulations, from goverment or whoever - else.-   > M > If Korea doesn't cooperate, for instance, Samsung, Hyunday etc would not betN > very happy that they can no longer do business on the internet with the restM > of the world. So the Korean govt would be under tremendous pressure to takeeI > actions to catsh spammers. And once spammers realise that spamming is a-A > criminal act and not just some fun thing to do, they will stop.e >   O BTW, most of my spam is originated in US. Korea is nice example, but think how - would you want to cut the US ?  P > If Proctor and Gamble send you unsollicited paper mail with a sample for a newM > shampoo, that is not illegal. But if Proctor and Gamble were to send you ansN > email with a similar offer, should that be illegal ? Or think about Readers'I > Digest using email to distribute its "participate in our million dollar2P > sweepstake". The direct marketing association points to the above "legitimate" > uses of mass mailings.  H In Czech we have new laws (very recent) which says that ALL unsolicited D mailings, paper, email or any other kind are considered illegal and K prosecuted. If you report such an email, the issuer will be fined. More on  O that, you can ask the sender where did he got your address and also ask him to m remove you from his database.oI Well, it works. My home mailbox is not flooded with a bulk mailings. And aI although the Czech bureaucracy is slow, there were hefty fines issued to C spammers already.u  M Of course, it works only for Czech spammers and Czech victims, I know, but I a& think that's the way it could be done.   Jirkas   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 2003 11:36:45 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)$ Subject: Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?5 Message-ID: <b9t9oc$mn1un$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>a  3 In article <cbTudTC$hDQs@eisner.encompasserve.org>,t0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:b > In article <b9s3ua$mnekc$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:6 >> In article <84onaVJ$4mdi@eisner.encompasserve.org>,3 >> 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:w >>> L >>> I feel the main difference is that for spam the bulk of the cost is paid" >>> by the victim, not the sender. >>> K >>> At least in the US, postal advertising rates mean it is paid for by theiK >>> sender.  They get a discount for presorting the mail, but that is fair.u >>  J >> They also get a cheaper rate which means first-class mail customers are! >> paying to subsidize junk mail.l > > > You say cheaper rate, I say discount.  It is the same thing.E > You disagree with the Postal Service when they say it pays its way.   C Two different things.  Everybody with large bundles gets a discount D for pre-sorted mail.  Junk mail, which gets handled like first-classA does not pay the first-class rate.  And that is making the victim D subsidize the slime-ball.   And, as I said previously, you then have@ to pay to dispose of all the crap you never even bother reading.   bill   -- 0J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   p   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 08:18:35 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)V$ Subject: Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?3 Message-ID: <3n4$TjaU4fGq@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  ` In article <2sq2cv0p2t5orm6266rikqmklfsrfmkpli@4ax.com>, Larry Schudt <lschuldt@dls.net> writes:D > My take on the way spam pays is that the advertiser pays a spammerD > some amount to send the e-mail, then an additional amount for each > click on his web site. > F > Seems to me that if everyone opened their spam and clicked on on theE > links to go to the advertiser's website this would sharply drive up  > the price of spamming. >   > All those clicks and NO SALES.  A    The URLs provided in the SPAM have meaningless looking sets of "    numbers and characters in them.  B    Based on experience, I believe many spammers use those codes toD    determine the original email address, and confirm that is is both@    a valid email address and at least incidentally interested in    the product.n  F    The end result seems to be a vast increase in the spam sent to that    address.   <    Don't click on URLs in SPAM unless you like getting SPAM.  E    And heaven help those who use HTML-capable emailreaders which willr)    follow the emmebded links in the SPAM.i   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 08:28:51 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h$ Subject: Re: Spamfilter for OpenVMS?3 Message-ID: <XS6ScgL5inog@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <cbTudTC$hDQs@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:- > > > You say cheaper rate, I say discount.  It is the same thing.E > You disagree with the Postal Service when they say it pays its way.   F    The Postal Service often has no choice.  Much of this stuff is law.$    Congress says it's good this way.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:44:38 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e2 Subject: Re: Stopping a que other then a print queI Message-ID: <aLrwa.198744$kYH.98962@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagea# news:3EC05D98.1DA2DB89@istop.com...i > David Froble wrote:dE > > Don't know if it's always required, but long ago I learned to uset	 the /NEXTt& > > switch on any STOP/QUEUE commands. >e- > yep. STOP/QUEUE only works on iddle queues.A >a* > And if you REALLY want to stop the queue >r > STOP/QUEUE chocolate_queue" > STOP/QUEUE/ABORT chocolate_queue" > STOP/QUEUE/RESET chocolate_queue > 5 > the first one prevents any more jobs from starting.e4 > The second one stops the currently executing jobs.< > The 3rd one makes sure the queue is really really stopped. >. > ; > What is really neeeded is STOP/QUEUE/NOW=I_REALLY_MEAN_IT3   STOP/QUEUE/RFN is more precise.m   ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 03:16:44 -07007 From: stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge)d Subject: Structure Layout in C= Message-ID: <a48f6f51.0305140216.137f2c29@posting.google.com>    Hi,A  ) Compaq C V6.4-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  g- Compaq Pascal V5.8-92 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  n  F We have a mixed language application written in C and Pascal which hasC some common data in global sections. To access this we have similarHB structures in both C and Pascal. I think there is a difference/bug between the two structures..  F In Pascal I can do a PASCAL/LIST/SHOW=STRUCTURE and the resulting .LISF file shows the structures with each elements size and offset after theF compiler has done any alignment. Is there an equivalent qualifier in C ?T   Regards, SteveC   ------------------------------   Date: 14 May 03 05:40:00 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com7" Subject: Re: Structure Layout in C( Message-ID: <zDF2AuCjlOwj@cpva.saic.com>  = In article <a48f6f51.0305140216.137f2c29@posting.google.com>,.:  stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) writes: > Hi,0 > + > Compaq C V6.4-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  )/ > Compaq Pascal V5.8-92 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  0 > H > We have a mixed language application written in C and Pascal which hasE > some common data in global sections. To access this we have similar.D > structures in both C and Pascal. I think there is a difference/bug > between the two structures.o > H > In Pascal I can do a PASCAL/LIST/SHOW=STRUCTURE and the resulting .LISH > file shows the structures with each elements size and offset after theH > compiler has done any alignment. Is there an equivalent qualifier in C > ?s > 
 > Regards, > Stevet   You can use7   $ cc/noobj/show=brief/list=tt:  J to display the layout of the structures then you may be interested in. For' the structure defined in the listing aso  - 1907 struct { long sub1; long sub2; } timadr;n  	 you'd seen  0 Id name Line    Size    Aligned Storage Cl. Type0 _______ ____    ____    _______ ___________ ____    3 timadr  1907    8       long    Extern TDef struct eK  sub1   1907    4       long                Member: (Offset=0) signed long eK  sub2   1907    4       long                Member: (Offset=4) signed long       Then you might be interested inr   $ help cc lang prep #praga  ( Take a look at member_alignment. You can  . $ search sys$common:[decc*...]*.h member_align  - to locate examples of usage if you need them.    --   - Jimn   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:02:14 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>v, Subject: Re: TCPIP SET CONF SMTP /SUB=HIDDEN; Message-ID: <01KVVHRSFAV6AM3M2Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-  % > What is /SUB=HIDDEN supposed to do?3 > 6 > It allows you to hide the real name of the computer. > F > Lets say you have a vax who's a DNS name is "vax.openvms-rocks.com". > ; > If you logged in as system, your return address would be:l >  > system@vax.openvms-rocks.com > ; > Ah, but we don't want that. Instead, you setup HIDDEN andn > SUB=NAME=openvms-rocks.com . > 2 > Now you send email, your return address becomes: >  > system@openvms-rocks.com  G That's what one would expect from reading the documentation.  However,  H as I mentioned in my original post, it overrides TCPIP$SMTP_FROM on VAX + but not on ALPHA.  Can anyone confirm this?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:09:56 -04003) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>o3 Subject: Two day OpenVMS seminar in Ottawa, Ontarioc9 Message-ID: <TBowa.1656$nT5.181507@news20.bellglobal.com>c  M The Canadian Association of Compaq Users, in collaboration with HP Canada and.L HP Corporation, will be hosting an OpenVMS 2-day technical seminar in Ottawa on June 25 and 26, 2003.  H All members, users and customers of HP technology from across Canada areF invited to attend this information-packed seminar for IT ProfessionalsK involved in HP technology platforms. Registration is now open. Please visit ; our seminar pages regularly to find out the latest updates.I   http://www.canacu.org/) http://www.communitywerke.com/seminar.htmd  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,e Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:06:26 GMTu+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>N& Subject: VMS Admins with too much time2 Message-ID: <BAE77F51.85EF%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  ! I found the following script on : - "http://99-bottles-of-beer.ls-la.net/d.html".=  ,     Programming language: DCL(forOpenVMS)     e   $! 99 bottles of beerr+ $! Written for VMS DCL by rsteenw@xs4all.nlf $!: $! $fao is a system lexical function, where FAO stands for8 $! Formatted ASCII Output. There's a fair bunch of these: $! functions accessible via DCL (the command interpreter),= $! like querying system, device, process and user parameters,i; $! string and list manipulation, file system foo, and more.2 $!
 $ cnt = 993 $ msg = f$fao("!UB bottle!1%C!%Es!%F of beer", cnt)l $ loop:j7 $ write sys$output f$fao("!AS on the wall!/!-!AS", msg)n5 $ write sys$output "Take one down and pass it around"n $ cnt = cnt - 1  $ if cnt .gt. 0e $ then5 $   msg = f$fao("!UB bottle!1%C!%Es!%F of beer", cnt) 4 $   write sys$output f$fao("!AS on the wall!/", msg)
 $   goto loopu $ else: $   write sys$output "No more bottles of beer on the wall" $ endif   ? I think the web page developer may have put this on his Resume.2 Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:31:32 -0500o( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)* Subject: Re: VMS Admins with too much time1 Message-ID: <03051407313259@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>o   Too much time?  Nope.b  = This is a useful tool for gauging your servers response time.b  M All that is needed is the delta of the Start and Stop time of the process andg: you have an idea of your system performance/response time.       John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:37:40 -0400a From: norm.raphael@metso.com* Subject: Re: VMS Admins with too much time? Message-ID: <OFC552161F.021E55AC-ON85256D26.00454BAF@metso.com>   1 Way too much time, but what is "file system foo"?c= > $! string and list manipulation, file system foo, and more.P    C From:  Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> on 05/14/2003 08:06 AMe  7 Please respond to Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>d   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:i  ) Subject:    VMS Admins with too much time     ! I found the following script on : - "http://99-bottles-of-beer.ls-la.net/d.html".   2 =A0    Programming language: DCL=A0(for=A0OpenVMS)     $! 99 bottles of beer + $! Written for VMS DCL by rsteenw@xs4all.nl- $!: $! $fao is a system lexical function, where FAO stands for8 $! Formatted ASCII Output. There's a fair bunch of these: $! functions accessible via DCL (the command interpreter),= $! like querying system, device, process and user parameters,-; $! string and list manipulation, file system foo, and more.l $! $ cnt =3D 995 $ msg =3D f$fao("!UB bottle!1%C!%Es!%F of beer", cnt)- $ loop:87 $ write sys$output f$fao("!AS on the wall!/!-!AS", msg)t5 $ write sys$output "Take one down and pass it around"2 $ cnt =3D cnt - 1. $ if cnt .gt. 0m $ then7 $   msg =3D f$fao("!UB bottle!1%C!%Es!%F of beer", cnt)r4 $   write sys$output f$fao("!AS on the wall!/", msg)
 $   goto loopo $ else: $   write sys$output "No more bottles of beer on the wall" $ endifP  ? I think the web page developer may have put this on his Resume.n Jeff Cameron             =    ------------------------------    Date: 14 May 2003 08:08:17 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r@ Subject: Re: What is the schedule for the DII COE certification?3 Message-ID: <VWyxsEcLQHKs@eisner.encompasserve.org>3  c In article <OuiEzMVNfXZs@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:kB > I don't think 1280K of RAM would have made that much difference.4 > Planning ahead requires more than a factor of two.  5    Why not?  My PDP-11 is quite happy with only 128K.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:45:55 +0200t7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>m4 Subject: Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?/ Message-ID: <b9svo6$sfr$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    JF Mezei wrote:s > VAX VMS 7.2, DECwindows 1.2.5. > O > I have been told about the XtAppSetExitFlag() routine which allows a callbackbN > routine to signal to the XtAppMainLoop() routine that it should exit. (thinkF > of it as a $WAKE in an AST to wake up the mainline stuck in $HIBER). > J > However, that routine is absent from both the include files and from the$ > libraries against which one links. > I > Does anyone know why this is missing ? Is there another way to tell thetI > MainLoop that it can stop ? Or is the only way truly to do all the exit ' > processing from inside the callback ?t  " You can replace XtAppMainLoop with        while (!finishFlag)      {,          XtAppNextEvent(appContext, &event);!          XtDispatchEvent(&event);V      }   Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:47:59 +0200o7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>w4 Subject: Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?, Message-ID: <3EC202BF.4090209@softax.com.pl>   JF Mezei wrote:f > VAX VMS 7.2, DECwindows 1.2.5  > O > I have been told about the XtAppSetExitFlag() routine which allows a callbackmN > routine to signal to the XtAppMainLoop() routine that it should exit. (thinkF > of it as a $WAKE in an AST to wake up the mainline stuck in $HIBER). > J > However, that routine is absent from both the include files and from the$ > libraries against which one links. > I > Does anyone know why this is missing ? Is there another way to tell theaI > MainLoop that it can stop ? Or is the only way truly to do all the exit ' > processing from inside the callback ?   " You can replace XtAppMainLoop with        while (!finishFlag)      {,          XtAppNextEvent(appContext, &event);!          XtDispatchEvent(&event);p      }   Regards,   Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 05:13:45 -0400s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?) Message-ID: <3EC20896.9EB554D8@istop.com>o   Robert Trawinski wrote: $ > You can replace XtAppMainLoop with >  >      while (!finishFlag) >      {. >          XtAppNextEvent(appContext, &event);# >          XtDispatchEvent(&event);  >      }  F Is that all the XtAppMainLoop does ? If so, seems like a simple enough solution. thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:03:38 +0100s+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>e4 Subject: Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?8 Message-ID: <cjf4cvka97hl9df6l0qj5ch9g1t98lbj81@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 14 May 2003 05:13:45 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Robert Trawinski wrote:% >> You can replace XtAppMainLoop withe >> i >>      while (!finishFlag)a	 >>      { / >>          XtAppNextEvent(appContext, &event);_$ >>          XtDispatchEvent(&event);	 >>      }  >oG >Is that all the XtAppMainLoop does ? If so, seems like a simple enough4 >solution. thanksd  E I believe it is actually documented as being implemented in this way.-     	John-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.266 ************************