1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 16 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 269       Contents:P Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SP Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SP Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SP Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SG Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...") - Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization? - Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? $ Damned power spike. Need new monitor, Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ?, Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ? Dell server revenue up 20%P Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha tP Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS AlpP Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alp= Re: fetch_http problem - solved - where's the 'real' source ? : Re: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft Windows: Re: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft Windows& HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?* Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?* Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?* Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?# Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro # Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro * RE: How to determine boot device from DCL?* Re: How to determine boot device from DCL? Re: INIT/SHADOW  Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?  Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?  Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?  Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?  Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?  Re: Java "Unknown host" problem  Re: Java "Unknown host" problem  Re: Large Vax required Re: Large Vax required& Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached* Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached* Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached* Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is DetachedA Looking for an NFS Server for Windows NT 4, 2000, and 2003 Server E Re: Looking for an NFS Server for Windows NT 4, 2000, and 2003 Server E Re: Looking for an NFS Server for Windows NT 4, 2000, and 2003 Server . Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name. Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name' Re: OpenVMS Memory/Performance Question  Re: Printing to PCL-Printer? Re: Printing to PCL-Printer? Re: remote dir Re: Spamfilter for VMS?  Re: Spamfilter for VMS?  Re: Spamfilter for VMS? + Re: TCPware NETCP.LOG file - can I move it? + Re: TCPware NETCP.LOG file - can I move it? + Re: TCPware NETCP.LOG file - can I move it?  TLZ10 Dat Drive < Re: unix sues linux ... you don't get something for nothing!< Re: unix sues linux ... you don't get something for nothing!! Re: VMS Admins with too much time ! Re: VMS Admins with too much time + Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?  Re: [GOOGLE] Missing article ?1 [Netherlands] Grey wall is looking for a new home   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:03:40 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S @ Message-ID: <20030515220340.46508.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   Hmmm !    L Open Virgin Maid S.... !  Nahhh ! I met a scandinavian  girl last week ! ;-)   Regards    FC  6 --- Vasu Kulkarni <vasukulkarni@rediffmail.com> wrote: >  > > 4 > > ...."The Naked Truth About Operating Systems" ad > >  > >  >  > "Virgin OpenVMS" > ! > Virgin becoz still secure.. ;-)  >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:58:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S J Message-ID: <0JWwa.209669$kYH.147210@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : One other chapter has to be added to the CIO Handbook.....  -     "Can HP be trusted with the future of VMS '       any more than Compaq or Digital?" 
         - yes          - no.         - it depends on how you define 'trust'      . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:MYswa.198913$kYH.193097@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > Thanks for the vote. > F > Now if only HP could be made to listen....seems to me that they need a F > real head of VMS marketing..one who isn't afraid to stand toe-to-toeC > with carly/BOD and duke it out when required. That probably means A > somebody who comes in on contract who doesn't particularly care  about C > whether they get shown the door but also one who feels The Force.  ShowE > me a number with the right number of significant digits and I might  be
 > interested.  >  >  > ; > "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> wrote in message B > news:OF42A6B885.67DCB0AE-ON07256D26.004E7FCE@rsc.raytheon.com...E > > If any of you have writing aspirations, I suggest you contact Pam 	 > Chester C > > (P.Chester@elsevier.com) at Digital Press and talk it over with  her.3 > > John's suggestion looks like a good one to  me.  > > 	 > > dave.  > > C > > ----- Forwarded by David D Miller/RWS/Raytheon/US on 05/14/2003 
 > 07:17 AM	 > > -----  > > & > >                       "John Smith"6 > >                       <a@nonymous.com>         To: > Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > >                                                cc:E > >                       05/14/2003 06:41         Subject: Re: "CIOs ) > OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book ? > >                       AM                       from Digital  Press - ' > Getting Started with OpenVMS) Getting ? > >                       Please respond           Started with  OpenVMS) > Getting Started with OpenVMS) ) > >                       to "John Smith"  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > @ > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message% > > news:3EC1AE20.E93235BA@fsi.net...  > > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > > > 
 > > > > David  > > > > ! > > > > Lack of inspiration ;-)))  > > > > ? > > > > And my english is not perfect yet ! I am too $lazy$  to 7 > > > > return to the British Council english classes ! > > > > > There are guys with more talent here....like you ! ;-) > > > > Regards  > > > > 
 > > > > FC > > > > > > > > > --- "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > > > > > Fabio Cardoso wrote: > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > Why not write  a "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" ?	 > > > > >  > > > > > What's stopping you? > > > / > > > Well, here's a little something to start.  > > > B > > > ...and remember: there's no law that says you can't write in your > > own , > > > language and have it translated later. > > > E > > > I might even flesh this out and post it as a web page to start,  > then4 > > > perhaps build it up into a formal publication. > > >  > > > " > > > Executive Summary of OpenVMS > > > D > > > OpenVMS is a powerful, highly secure computer operating system > that > > isD > > > time-proven and trusted. At one time an early form of OpenVMS, > thenA > > > known as VAX/VMS was the major mainstay of the minicomputer 	 > market.  > > Now,7 > > > OpenVMS is the mainstay of the high-availability,  high-scalability > > > mid-frame market.  > > > A > > > Feature-rich, ANSI standards compliant, well documented and  easilyD > > > programmed, OpenVMS remains the operating system of choice forE > > > businesses where uptime and security are an absolute must, such  as? > > > back-end database servers in the healthcare and financial  exchange > > and  > > > service industries.  > > > ? > > > The intrinsic security and reliability of OpenVMS produce  paybacks > > inB > > > the form of elimination of downtime due to virus attacks and their 0 > > > associated file and filesystem corruption. > > > A > > > Running on 64-bit hardware platforms, OpenVMS provides high  > > scalability > > > > for very large databases as well as image processing and > scientific< > > > computing needs. From desktop workstations to one-unit
 rack-mountF > > > servers to high-availability clusters with many tens of nodes in > > eachE > > > cluster, one OpenVMS operating system serves all these needs at  > all 0 > > > scales from the desktop to the datacenter. > > >  > > > E > > > That's just a start, of course. Many other folks here have said  > muchE > > > more much better than I can, but I'll just use my own words and  > let  > > the - > > > community suggest how to say it better.  > >  > > C > > You probably don't have to do the work yourself. There are many  > books C > > published each year which are often referred to as 'handbooks'.  > > @ > > These 'handbooks' are usually many chapters long and are theF > > compilation of the work of many people. Each chapter is written by > one ? > > or more specialists in the topic of the individual chapter.  > Real-life B > > examples are often included (sometimes with names redacted forB > > privacy, sometimes disclosed). There is a small editorial team which @ > > solicits contributions of material to the handbook, suggestsF > > revisions/additions/deletions in the material of each chapter, and: > > that provides a preamble to the 'handbook' as a whole. > > C > > So to take this one step further, a suggested organization of a D > > 'handbook' aimed at the executives at any major organization, be > they8 > > CEO/COO/CIO/CTO might be the following (feel free to > > add/delete/rename):  > >  > > - > > "Reliable Computing for the 21st Century" & > >          "The Hidden Secret of HP" > >  > > Forward  > > + > > Chapter Titles (in no particular order)  > >  > > % > >     How Come I Never Heard of It?  > >         - good question 4 > >         - who is using it and what's it used for > >             - NSA  > >             - CGHQ! > >             - stock exchanges  > >             - health care $ > >             - chip manufacturing > >             - telecom & > >             - general purpose apps > >  > >  > >     Investment Protection ! > >         - mixed mode clusters 1 > >         - hardware & operating system support  > >  > >  > >     Scalability 1 > >         - clusters and the differences (Nic?)  > >  > > & > >     Disaster Recovery with OpenVMS > >         - Terrorism and War 1 > >             -operating in an NBCW environment 0 > >              (nuclear, biological, chemical) > >         - natural disasters  > >             - earthquake > >             - hurricane  > >             - tornado  > >             - ice storms$ > >         - coping with evacuation > >         - remote operation > >  > > 6 > >     What About All Those Free Unix/Linux programs? > >         - DOE-CII  > >         - unix portability > >  > > " > >     Cost-Effective DevelopmentB > >         - discussion of developer tools and debugging features > >  > > 9 > >     What Packages Run on This Great Operating System? : > >         - another good question, and thanks for asking > >  > > 0 > >     Why Shouldn't We Use Unix/Linux/Windows?- > >         - the biggest chapter in the book # > >         - debacles in switching B > >         - can't get there from here in finite time at a finite cost
 > > issues > >  > > * > >     What's The Cost to My Bottom Line?" > >         - financial discussion > >         - licenses > >         - support # > >         - lights-out operations 1 > >         - how many system managers do I need?  > >  > > + > >         Where Do I Get Honest Opinions?  > >         - current users  > >         - c.o.v. > >         - user events ( > >         - 1-800-carlyluvsVMS (as if) > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:06:22 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S ' Message-ID: <3EC4479E.EE463333@fsi.net>    Vasu Kulkarni wrote: >  > > 4 > > ...."The Naked Truth About Operating Systems" ad > >  > >  >  > "Virgin OpenVMS" > ! > Virgin becoz still secure.. ;-)   > The wealth of creativity among this group is often surprising!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:35:18 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S @ Message-ID: <20030516023518.92758.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>  6 --- "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > Vasu Kulkarni wrote: > >  > > > 6 > > > ...."The Naked Truth About Operating Systems" ad > > >  > > >  > >  > > "Virgin OpenVMS" > > # > > Virgin becoz still secure.. ;-)  > @ > The wealth of creativity among this group is often surprising!  O Another thread "VMS Admins with too much time"  dont have much in their minds !        :-))))))   Fabio    =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:57:09 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")' Message-ID: <3EC44575.E5B766E9@fsi.net>   
 Island wrote:  > J > From what I have seen, Compaq should charge $250 for VMS Base/NAS  for a > 12-15 Unit machine. N > Not a Hobbyist license - never really saw the point in that - giving it away > for free.   E Well, not really "for free": you gotta spend money to get the license H (unless you're pirating your internet access and software), and once youF get it, you can't use the hobbyist license to make money. The softwareF is not readily downloadable via the 'net, the license expires annuallyE and must be renewed, and no source code is included. In reality, very < few (if any) of the common "'free' software" criteria apply.  E That said, there was a post here recently describing a way to use the D hobbyist license to develop software prior to going commercial, then> moving it to a commercially licensed machine for "production".  G On the other hand, if it keeps the freeware folks porting stuff to VMS, H then the community as a whole benefits, lost profit opportunities aside.  L > But if they restricted licenses to specific serial numnbered PWS or XP10009 > DS10L etc, they would at least see some decent revenue.   F Eh, dunno 'bout that. Affordable is the way to go in my book. Ask BillF Gates - he knows, as do his bankers and the many charities who benefit from his "generosity".    > And it would keep users on VMS  A Affordability and mainstream marketing would go much farther than 7 complicated, difficult-to-administer licensing schemes.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:07:28 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization?) Message-ID: <3EC3E56D.10B5C6B8@istop.com>    Rich Seibel wrote:F > >- Dynamically linking libraries instead of statically linking them. > E > Probably not an option.  I looked at this and found that the linker B > requires a diffenent kind of symbol, called a universal symbol,   E Here is an easy way fo doing this, although this is not the best one:   K $write sys$output "Linking JFUTILS shareable image for ALLIN1/OFFICE SERVER A $link/notraceback/share jfutil.obj,jfutil_varia.obj,sys$input/opt  UNIVERSAL = JFUTIL$GET UNIVERSAL = JFUTIL$TEXTFLOW     I This makes the subroutines JFUTIL$GET and JFUTIL$TEXTFLOW  "public" entry P points that other programs can find when they link against your shareable image.  K The caveat with this is that your main programs are linked to branch to the M actual address of the routines. If you change JFUTIL$GET, when you relink the K shareable image, JFUTIL$TEXTFLOW will no longer be in the same exact place, N but any program that had linked against your shareable will then try to branch to the old place.   M One way around this is to build a transfer vector. Essentially, your properly K named subroutines are just stubs at the top of the shareable image which do H not change and all they do is branch to the real code wherever it may beN inside the shareable image. Since the stub at the top doesn't change,  you canK make changes to the shareable image and have the main programs still access  them properly.  & Here is an example of a transfer stub: $ type doctransfer.mar@ .TRANSFER       CONVERT_WPSMAIL_TEXT    ; (inputfile,outputfile)$ .MASK           CONVERT_WPSMAIL_TEXT( JMP             L^CONVERT_WPSMAIL_TEXT+2 ; @ .TRANSFER       CONVERT_WPSFILE_TEXT    ; (inputfile,outputfile)$ .MASK           CONVERT_WPSFILE_TEXT( JMP             L^CONVERT_WPSFILE_TEXT+2 ; 8 .TRANSFER       CONVERT_DX_TEXT ; (inputfile,outputfile) .MASK           CONVERT_DX_TEXT # JMP             L^CONVERT_DX_TEXT+2  ;   H It "declares" 3 routines, CONVERT_WPSMAIL_TEXT, CONVERT_WPSFILE_TEXT andA CONVERT_DX_TEXT which are defined in the real source code module.   + You can then link with something like this: 7 $ link  sys$input/opt /share=docconvert.exe/notraceback #         identification="DOCCONVERT" -         cluster=$$TRANSFER,0,,doctransfer.obj +         cluster=docconvert,,,docconvert.obj    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:59:56 -0300 + From: Rodman S. Regier <rsr@hfx.andara.com> 6 Subject: Re: C++ V6.5 linker performance optimization?8 Message-ID: <ud38cvsigipj52acdrdrg04e7n2dpfbhk9@4ax.com>  B On Thu, 15 May 2003 14:00:07 -0000, seibel_r@rich.ociweb.com (Rich Seibel) wrote:  Q >On Tue, 13 May 2003 20:58:29 -0300, Rodman S. Regier <rsr@hfx.andara.com> wrote:  >> >>F >>We are currently using HP (Compaq) C++ V6.5-004, to compile and link< >>our C++ programs on a DS10/466 w/ 1.1Gby main mem, running< >>OpenVMS/Alpha V7.1-2 w/patches.  We are finding that theseC >>compile+link runs are taking from 10-30 minutes elapsed time in a D >>batch queue to complete with 90-95% of the time being spent on the
 >>link phase.  >>H >I have experienced similar performance.  I have a fairly large library I >and an even larger repository.  I found that the majority of the problem F >was with the repo.  If I sucked the repo into the library then it cut >link times in half or better.   Repo?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:21:28 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?0 Message-ID: <00A1FE64.F96287AF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <hMMwa.871$3O2.490@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes: H >works for me.  I can login to DSPP and download the docs with Mozilla,  >read them with XPDF.  > G >Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.3)   >Gecko/20030313  > $ >XPDF.EXE from the Freeware 5, cd 2.  + Try to register for DSPP using Mozilla.  :P    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:01:20 GMT 4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?0 Message-ID: <AeTwa.902$ze3.192@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 "Michael Rice" <marice@whiteice.com> wrote in message ) news:vc5licddsjlue7@corp.supernews.com...  > My hopes are revived...    Glad to hear it.  H > I've read both docs and it all looks simple enough.  However, just oneG > comment that the "DEC VMS/LMF System Services Reference Manual" could E > use some minor updates (it only references VAX and does not include  C++ & > in the list of supported languages).   Hello Mike,   F We are aware that it is in need of updating.  We are in the process ofF updating it with new features along with other changes to clean it up.   --  
 Sincerely,	 Mark Buda  Hewlett-Packard Company  VMS Engineering  110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57  Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969  FAX: (603) 884-3451    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:01:55 -0500 ( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?/ Message-ID: <vc8hkqmeife8ed@corp.supernews.com>   G I am pleased to report that I can now generate PAKs.  I haven't tested  : the system services yet, but I'm sure they will work fine.  E Thanks to Mark Schafer (et al) for the step-by-step instructions and   very fast turn-around time.    Michael   ) On 5/14/2003 6:50 PM, Michael Rice wrote:  > My hopes are revived...  > I > I've read both docs and it all looks simple enough.  However, just one  H > comment that the "DEC VMS/LMF System Services Reference Manual" could J > use some minor updates (it only references VAX and does not include C++ & > in the list of supported languages). >  > Thanks for your help. 	 > Michael  > + > On 5/14/2003 2:10 PM, Mark Schafer wrote:  > J >> Please go to the DSPP portal, login and search for PAKGEN.  You should G >> get a page with 2 documents.  The first one is a description of the  J >> service and process for requesting a PAK with your custom TOKEN string. >>@ >> The second is a system service API for SYS$GRANT_LICENSE and  >> SYS$RELEASE_LICENSE.  >>J >> This is not the retired PAKGEN software product and there is no charge  >> for DSPP company members. >> >> Michael Rice wrote: >>* >>> On 5/6/2003 12:33 AM, Mark Buda wrote: >>> 3 >>>> "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message 7 >>>> news:5ot3bvcs5drpipbsuvhipu5c1ne2rtbn5e@4ax.com...  >>>>G >>>> Once you join the DSPP program, you can contact them and ask about L >>>> getting a PAKGEN PAK.  You will need to register your producer text, soF >>>> that no one else can use your producer to use your products in an >>>> illicit manner. >>>>J >>>> I do not know if the non-company registrant is allowed to get PAKGEN  >>>> PAK= >>>> usage or not, but will ask the DSPP office and find out.  >>>>L >>>> The below text is from a pre-HP document, but gives you an idea of what >>>> is involved...  >>>> >>>> and a little more...  >>>> >>> 
 >>> <snip> >>> E >>> Well, my hopes for generating PAKs are beginning to dim.  I went  C >>> through the process of signing up as a DSPP company member and  6 >>> inquired with DSPP about getting the PAKGEN PAK... >>> H >>> The first response I got sent me to the BCSG equipment group.  They J >>> responded that the PAKGEN product had been retired and directed me to I >>> some 3rd party to purchase a license.  After calling this morning, I  D >>> was directed to someone else inside HP.  This person sent me an F >>> e-mail informing me that the PAKGEN PAK is only available to DSPP = >>> members through a subscription service for $495 per year.  >>>  >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:24:07 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Damned power spike. Need new monitor ) Message-ID: <3EC467DF.5C760779@istop.com>   J Just got a power spike, long enough to force VCR into flashing 12:00. LongK enough to force my all mighty Microvax II's whose uptime had finally gotten  respectable to reboot.  L But it seems to have killed my 19" monitor ( VR262 , 19" black/white for the 3100 workstation ). L After changin the fuse, the monitor still refuses to turn on (no green light in the front).  J Could I bring this to a normal TV repair place ? Or must I spend countlessL hours finding out who to call within HP to get an estimate for repairs whichH will probably cost more than buying a new unit ? I suspect a blown power supply. Any ideas ?   N Also, if I were to want colour, what would be the recommendations with regards! to the card needed, and monitor ?   M I prefer getting a large monitor  to have large windows versus a high wuality  colour but smaller monitor.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:53:05 GMT 4 From: Craig A. Berry <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>5 Subject: Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ? 7 Message-ID: <b6b5e1c27fde5dd58b92062b8d59451d@TeraNews>   C In <b9tf2f$n6sco$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de> Bill Gunshannon wrote: - > In article <b9tcq9$mbm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, / > 	"Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:    >>  E >> You should be able to change the behaviour of toupper() by playing 7 >> with the localization settings but I've never tried.  >   @ > Arguable point,  I would opt more for having different charset@ > conversion funtions available but leave toupper()/tolower() as9 > they are for fear of breaking all kinds of legacy code.   D The C standards committee has long since disagreed with you on that ? point.  The documentation for toupper() includes the statement:   H "If the argument is a character for which islower is true and there are J one or more corresponding characters, as specified by the current locale, C for which isupper is true, the toupper function returns one of the  E corresponding characters (always the same one for any given locale);  / otherwise, the argument is returned unchanged."   G As far as breaking legacy code, only code that changes its locale from  H the default could possibly be broken, and only if the new locale is one C that changes the code points occupied by 7-bit ASCII.  It's really  H unlikely you would choose such a locale unless you were processing data 3 that needed it (Asian character data, for example.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:18:41 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: DEC-C toupper() of accented characters ? ) Message-ID: <3EC3F618.C1F8F12C@istop.com>    "Craig A. Berry" wrote: H > As far as breaking legacy code, only code that changes its locale fromI > the default could possibly be broken, and only if the new locale is one 8 > that changes the code points occupied by 7-bit ASCII.   K Since the US ASCII is a subset of ISO-LATIN-1, supporting ISO-LATIN 1 would   not break any existing programs.  M In a global economy, even british, australians and americans (the bad guys in H the Irak invasion) should learn to support customers with strange names.M Consider that Digital has supported what is essentially the ISO lATIN 1 since L the days of the VT220s, and one wonders why there would still be remnants of2 the 7 bit ascii of the 1970s left in Digital code.  L Oh, another one which supports proper "uppercase" function is FMS. Yes, thatG old, retired product, much older than DEC-C has the proper behaviour to / uppercase any character. (TPU also supports it)    K Ok, so asking TPU to find an "" when asking for an "e" is asking too much, 7 but it can find an "" when i ask it to look for an ""    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:41:20 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> # Subject: Dell server revenue up 20% J Message-ID: <kIUwa.208110$kYH.132054@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   THE WALL STREET JOURNAL  Updated May 15, 2003 6:05 p.m.  A Dell Computer Corp., the world's largest personal computer maker, D reported fiscal first-quarter net income rose 31%, boosted by strong! computer sales and cost controls.   A The Round Rock, Texas, company earned $598 million, or 23 cents a E share, compared to $457 million, or 17 cents a share, in the year-ago  quarter.  B While industry PC shipments inched ahead just 2% world-wide in theD first calendar quarter, Dell said its shipments for the three months@ ended May 2 jumped 29%, the highest rate in more than two years.  @ Revenue rose 18% to $9.53 billion from $8.07 billion a year ago.  ? Chairman and Chief Executive Michael S. Dell said the company's F strategy of selling low-cost, off-the-shelf gear for server markets isD succeeding. "Our execution in those areas has never been better," he said in a prepared statement.   6 Dell is trying to shift its sales toward higher-marginC server-computers and storage and away from PCs. It said in servers, @ where it competes against International Business Machines Corp.,E Hewlett-Packard Co. and Sun Microsystems Inc., revenue rose more than  20%.   ...   E "Clearly, we`re in a situation where the strong are getting stronger. D The only place you see people growing is where they`re taking share.@ Dell is the prime example," said Barry Jaruzelski, a senior vice- president at consultants Booz Allen Hamilton.      ..rest of the story atF http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB105276625181290400,00.html?mod=home _whats_news_us   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:09:17 +0100 - From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> Y Subject: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha t E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA6854546@tahiti.tinuk.com>   E Just wondering if Kermit might be the answer to my problem of copying @ large files [6GB and larger] from VMS toTru64, which seems to beG defeating all the other things I've tried. Does anyone know if there is F any file size limit? Is Kermit truly a 64-bit application? Of course IE have yet to overcome the limitation of only having a 2MB pipe between F the systems [geographically distant] which everything else is using asD well, but I might be able to overcome that by using a spare DS10 and" physically moving the data closer.   Cheers   Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health   -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com]=20 Sent: 15 May 2003 20:12  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com C Subject: Re: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft Windows      Zack Sessions wrote:H > stuff. The main things that would help me would be some pointers on=20F > the best way to transfer this data (any new purchases of software=20F > utilities for the Alpha would be out of the question, freeware is=20 > another thing entirely!).    One word: KERMIT  E Usable from serial port (and TCPIP if present).  Just make sure you :    SET BUFFER 20000 20000 SET PACKET LENGTH 1024 SET SEND WINDOWS 10  SET RECEIVE WINDOW 10   C and that will give you terrific throughput. If you use the defaults G (especially in an old version of kermit), it will transfer very slowly.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:51:31 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alp I Message-ID: <nCWwa.209586$kYH.11302@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   8 "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wrote in message? news:91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA6854546@tahiti.tinuk.com... E Just wondering if Kermit might be the answer to my problem of copying @ large files [6GB and larger] from VMS toTru64, which seems to beD defeating all the other things I've tried. Does anyone know if there isF any file size limit? Is Kermit truly a 64-bit application? Of course IE have yet to overcome the limitation of only having a 2MB pipe between F the systems [geographically distant] which everything else is using asD well, but I might be able to overcome that by using a spare DS10 and" physically moving the data closer.    C Attach a USB 2.0/Firewire drive (NTFS format on the USB drive files E system) to a PC which is local to the VMS box and copy using whatever D mechanism at your disposal (ftp, Pathworks, etc). Then bring/courierE the USB drive to a PC local to the Tru64 box and reverse the process.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:01:19 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alp ' Message-ID: <3EC4547F.A28F949C@fsi.net>    Steve Spires wrote:  > G > Just wondering if Kermit might be the answer to my problem of copying B > large files [6GB and larger] from VMS toTru64, which seems to beI > defeating all the other things I've tried. Does anyone know if there is0H > any file size limit? Is Kermit truly a 64-bit application? Of course IG > have yet to overcome the limitation of only having a 2MB pipe betweendH > the systems [geographically distant] which everything else is using asF > well, but I might be able to overcome that by using a spare DS10 and$ > physically moving the data closer.  ! Any chance for common tape media?S  E Even TK87 was (I think) 10GB native, TK88 20GB native. Depending upon  the file format, that is.r   -- p David J. Dachtera+ dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:41:48 -0400w* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>F Subject: Re: fetch_http problem - solved - where's the 'real' source ?) Message-ID: <3EC3DF6A.436A2AEE@istop.com>l   Chris Sharman wrote:E > My original .exe provides (& documents) a -y switch, which puts thesF > result into dcl symbol http_result - very useful for dcl procedures. > < > None of the sources I can find on Google have this switch.  L The one that comes with the OSU web server was authored by Davic Jones weith/ first documented revision in 1995. It supports:  	-b for binary modeo 	-s for simplerequests 	-c to count records   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:12:27 -0400u* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>C Subject: Re: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft Windowst) Message-ID: <3EC3E698.1DFC6D64@istop.com>i   Zack Sessions wrote:E > stuff. The main things that would help me would be some pointers onEC > the best way to transfer this data (any new purchases of softwaresC > utilities for the Alpha would be out of the question, freeware isa > another thing entirely!).    One word: KERMIT  E Usable from serial port (and TCPIP if present).  Just make sure you :h   SET BUFFER 20000 20000 SET PACKET LENGTH 1024 SET SEND WINDOWS 10  SET RECEIVE WINDOW 10e  C and that will give you terrific throughput. If you use the defaults G (especially in an old version of kermit), it will transfer very slowly.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:13:48 GMTN# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> C Subject: Re: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft WindowskJ Message-ID: <gVPwa.158226$M81.158047@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Kermit    ; "Zack Sessions" <zcsessions@visionair.com> wrote in messagee7 news:db13d9fb.0305150655.549545ca@posting.google.com... F > I work for a software house whose primary product line is a suite of@ > applications that run on Windows NT to support the information storagec< > needs of public safety agencies such as Police and Sheriff@ > Departments, 911 Centers, Fire Departments and EMS. One of theC > services we provide for our new customers is to transfer the data  fromD > their former computer systems to a historical database in order to do > lookups on their older data. >eE > We have an agency who has been using our software for about 5 years-D > now, but they never tried to send us their old data for mapping to our:C > historical database. The system that was running on now is so oldu thatD > there is no one who works there now who knows anything about it at thet: > system level. It is an Alpha workstation running OpenVMS V6.something? > and a custom application package called COPS. It is no longeriE > connected to their network. No one there even remembered the SYSTEMl > password!a >cF > A couple of my co-workers spent the entire day yesterday onsite withF > the idea of trying to transfer the files to a laptop running Windows< > NT through a serial connection. I have the most former VMS
 experianceD > (6 years working for DEC in the early 80's and 13 years managing aF > farm of VAXen at a major GE manufacturing site) of us and was on theF > phone with the guys for most of the day. But since it has been aboutB > five years since I really had anything to do with VMS it took us mostD > of the day just to get back into the backdoor and reset the SYSTEM > password.O >VF > We now plan to go back again and try to get the data. Since its beenD > so long since I was "intimate" with VMS, I have forgotton a lot ofE > stuff. The main things that would help me would be some pointers onCC > the best way to transfer this data (any new purchases of softwareoC > utilities for the Alpha would be out of the question, freeware isoF > another thing entirely!). I tried to access Hunter Goatley's websiteE > looking for VMS freeware but the last reference to a link I saw was.C > several years ago and the link is now invalid. A link or links ton= > where some VMS freeware is available would be very helpful.g >nA > Thanks in advance for any help. Replies either here or in emailt woulde
 > be welcome.t >o > Zack Sessionso   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 11:42:03 -0700! From: ssnider@lwcc.com (SMSnider) / Subject: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?n= Message-ID: <450eb328.0305151042.3a242e98@posting.google.com>   = I have a high transaction count on one of my disks.  How do IhC determine if it is too high? Is there a magic formula for computingEE the proper Trans Count for a disk (Size of disk and speed of disk and  type of RAID, etc).a  B I've looked all over manuals but can't find a good "rule of thumb"   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:01:08 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)3 Subject: Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good? 1 Message-ID: <03051514010819@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>m  ? > I have a high transaction count on one of my disks.  How do IoE > determine if it is too high? Is there a magic formula for computingcG > the proper Trans Count for a disk (Size of disk and speed of disk and  > type of RAID, etc).a  M Magic formula?  Not that I am aware of.  Typical response in these matters isi" that it depends on your work load.  F Seriously, you could have one transaction count and it could be an I/ON intensive operation and cause you grief.  Or you could have hundreds of TC and no problem at all.  G In a RAID/SAN environment, the TC becomes a non-issue (depending on the.L configuration of course).  For example, if you have a high TC on a physical K 9.1-GB disk that is only mirrored, then this will be an issue.  If however,nL that same high TC is on a 6-disk (6x9.1-GB) mirrored and partitioned raidsetO then there is no issue at all.  At least from the HW perspective.  The SW (VMS) 7 may have issues with this that I am not fully aware of.   I A general rule would be to balance the TC across multiple disks.  This isaL easier said than done - since so many factors come into play.  On the systemM disk, moving as many of the system files (OPERATOR, ERRLOG, PAGE/SWAP, AUDIT, J ACCOUNTNG) and the system applications (Pathworks, etc.) off of the systemO drive and onto non-system disks helps spread the load.  The system disk has oneo6 of the highest TC in most environments.  (I assume).    L Take your existing environment, ID the disks, TC, applications, files, etc. K Then look into moving a file here, database there, application over yonder, N etc.  If this is a SAN (HSG80 controller) environment, then create partitioned5 raidsets and spread the disks over the entire chasis.            John Brandon VMS Systems Administratoro Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wki   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 14:49:42 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?s3 Message-ID: <ASprxws+q+od@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <450eb328.0305151042.3a242e98@posting.google.com>, ssnider@lwcc.com (SMSnider) writes:e? > I have a high transaction count on one of my disks.  How do IeE > determine if it is too high? Is there a magic formula for computingcG > the proper Trans Count for a disk (Size of disk and speed of disk andp > type of RAID, etc).s > D > I've looked all over manuals but can't find a good "rule of thumb"  H    If you're looking at the transaction count from "show device", you'reF    barking up the wrong tree.  That's just of count of all the reasons/    not to dismount the disk (open files, ect.).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:37:07 -0500k( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)3 Subject: Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good? 1 Message-ID: <03051518370700@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>a  I >   If you're looking at the transaction count from "show device", you're G >   barking up the wrong tree.  That's just of count of all the reasons 0 >   not to dismount the disk (open files, ect.).  M It can be a good indicator of the potential activity on that disk, but as you 0 say it is just a "reason not to".    Good point.  H I would state that if you have a high-use image (say ORACLE or your mainO application) then you could use the TC as a general rule of thumb.  But use of  N ECP, MONITOR, other utilities can lead you in a better direction for overload.     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratora Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:28:48 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>m, Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro' Message-ID: <3EC44CE0.22A094F3@fsi.net>o  
 Woland wrote:  > 9 > On Thu, 15 May 2003 12:46:01 +0100 (MET) Phillip Helbigt- > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  > F > > The "standard distro" is a dozen CDs or so.  This includes all theL > > layered products, documentation, foreign-language versions of DECwindowsJ > > etc.  The hobbyist kit is a selection of these products.  There are no  > > limitations in the products. > K > I know the standard CDs, but now I'm trying to get my hobbyist license to P > legalize my private VAXes, that's why I'm asking about the content of hobbyist > kit.  . I keep trying to drive this point home, but...  + VMS is VMS. There is no "hobbyist version".   F The hobbyist's VMS distro. put out by DFW is nothing more or less thanG the standard-issue CD-1 from the commercial OpenVMS distro. fleshed out D with as many layered product kits as they can cram onto a single CD.   That's it - period.   H > > I have never had a hobbyist kit; I've always been lucky enough to beK > > able to borrow a "standard distro" and install the stuff I need.  (This @ > > is perfectly legal under the terms of the hobbyist license.) > P > Yep, this is perfect. I don't have problems with access to any kind of OpenVMS7 > install CDs, so if this is OK with hobbyist license..i    It is. You should be good to go.   -- u David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:37:35 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> , Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro' Message-ID: <3EC44EEF.B042AB8D@fsi.net>   
 Woland wrote:y > 9 > On Thu, 15 May 2003 13:27:34 +0100 (MET) Phillip Helbig - > <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:t > L > > No problem at all.  Note that there are three types of hobbyist license:% > > ALPHA, VAX and layered-products. a  C Well, technically, only two: the o.s. base license and licenses fordF layered products. You need both: OpenVMS (choose VAX or Alpha) and theF layered product licenses because you'll find DECnet, DECwindows/MOTIF,  UCX, etc. among the LP licenses.  H The OpenVMS license is per-machine, yes. However, the LP licenses can be registered as needed.    > [snip]L > Could anybody tell me how to become a DECUS member in foreign chapter (I'm > from Czech rep.) ?  E I believe the US Chapter known as Encompass-US accepts non-US members G for purposes of the hobbyist license. Didn't check into that, though...e   http://www.encompassus.com/l  B Try e-mailing them and asking about it. Searching Google may prove fruitful also.   -- - David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems0 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 01:06:20 +01003- From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> 3 Subject: RE: How to determine boot device from DCL? E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA6854547@tahiti.tinuk.com>-  E This would be nice, but we don't have the ability to use the /ANALYZE-F qualifier, and site are unlikely to fork out for the DIAGNOSE license.   Cheers   Steve Sn   -----Original Message-----? From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]=20, Sent: 07 May 2003 18:320 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms3 Subject: Re: How to determine boot device from DCL?V         This is how I do it:   $ type get_console_vars.comn3 $DIAG/TRAN/INC=3DCONFIG/OUT=3DCONS_VARS.TXT/REVERSE0. $SEAR CONS_VARS.TXT/WIND=3D(3,8) "BOOTDEF_DEV" $DELETE/NOLOG CONS_VARS.TXT;*a  " [PIPE does not seem to work here.]   $ @get_console_vars.comt  
 DECevent V3.3s  5 Environmental Variables              auto_action:BOOT ?                                      boot_dev:dga200.1001.0.3.1yB                                      bootdef_dev:dga200.1001.0.3.10                                      booted_dev:/                                      boot_file:=1                                      booted_file:M5                                      boot_osflags:0,0@4                                      booted_osflags:2                                      boot_reset:ON.                                      dump_dev:4                                      enable_audit:ON $ type get_console_vars.com 3 $DIAG/TRAN/INC=3DCONFIG/OUT=3DCONS_VARS.TXT/REVERSEn. $SEAR CONS_VARS.TXT/WIND=3D(3,8) "BOOTDEF_DEV" $DELETE/NOLOG CONS_VARS.TXT;*d    E From:  "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> on 05/07/2003 11:42 AMr  9 Please respond to "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com>A   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:o  2 Subject:    How to determine boot device from DCL?    F I feel as though I should know this, but I suspect I might be confused( with getting the information from Tru64.  H Anyway, is there a way to determine what is the default boot device whenH the system is up? Can't find a lexical to help, was hoping for something like 'consvar' but no luck yet.   
 Any ideas?   Cheers   Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health [P](44)01295 274388  [F](44)01295 275131o
 www.torex.comf   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:59:17 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o3 Subject: Re: How to determine boot device from DCL?a' Message-ID: <3EC445F5.C63D987A@fsi.net>c   Steve Spires wrote:h > G > This would be nice, but we don't have the ability to use the /ANALYZEyH > qualifier, and site are unlikely to fork out for the DIAGNOSE license.  F I believe all you need is a valid support contract to get the license.   -- o David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 18:48:02 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: INIT/SHADOW= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0305151748.27d7f2f0@posting.google.com>i  | "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com> wrote in message news:<OF3B5DB25B.368AC046-ON07256D27.004B64F9@rsc.raytheon.com>... > JF > M > Sounds good.  But excuse me for being dense ... INIT them how?  I mean whath- > command, please.  Something like this ... ?< >  >    INIT DKA100: SPAREu > * >    MOU  DSA10: /SHADOW=(DKA100:)  SHASET > % >    MOU DSA10: <don't know the rest>c > 	 >    etc.i > I > I already set the SYSGEN parameter, SHADOW_<mumble>=2, and licensed it.e > M > It seems to me I was looking at the VMS release notes for 7.3.  I'd have toe > double check that. >  > dave.c >  > JF Mezzei wrote ...  [...]i  	 Dear Sir,   B Will you PLEASE set a nonzero allocation class on your machine andB retry the INIT/SHADOW like David J. Dachtera and I have suggested?    E    *** YOU NEED TO HAVE A NONZERO ALLOCATION CLASS FOR SHADOWING. ***F    , Well, at least TRY it and report back to us.     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. FeldmanT   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:26:14 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>" Subject: Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?, Message-ID: <3EC3E9D6.7060808@tsoft-inc.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  0 > Have you perhaps seen the (german) newsticker: > 2 > http://heise.de/newsticker/data/as-25.02.03-000/ > A > From the URL it seems that it is already some weeks/months old.t > = > It states that I64-2 is way beyond Alpha in SAP benchmarks.     P Alpha died years ago.  Even the EV7 seems to perform below expectations, for no L reason, which raises the issue of whether this is intentional, or just from M inattention.  Note that Alpha was able to keep up and/or ahead of Power from aO IBM.  That was with attention, not stagnation.  When you can show some studies tM that show IA-64 beating the latest Power based systems, then we can consider f< whether it would have been able to challenge a 'live' Alpha.  @ > So, count one more who thinks, the Itanic is not an Itanium... > I > I'm still in doubt, whether I should believe that Itanic will die (as IPH > thought the last years) or I should hope that it will survive (becauseI > I think/fear, if Itanic really dies, VMS most likely will die with it).X    O As I've stated many times, the technical success of IA-64 is not and has never OO been the issue.  Recent information suggests that the total sales of all IA-64 PQ CPUs, lifetime, is under 5000.  Less than nothing to a company like Intel.  What  P will Intel's technical talent be working on if Hammer is successful in the mass Q market?  Not IA-64 you can be sure.  What is the future of IA-64 if all that can NP be hoped for is some already planned process shrinks?  You can be sure that AMD C is first concerned with the mass market, but, in time may have the mP infrastructure on the chips to allow much larger SMP systems than they now have 
 provided for.   M One can never predict what the future holds, but as of today, on-chip memory 4G controllers and on-chip 'glue' for SMP seems to greatly outperform SMP 1Q implemented off-chip.  IBM, AMD, and Alpha have such, and IA-64 will only get it >P if those who know how are allowed to implement it on IA-64.  Should they be put N to work elsewhere, IA-64 will not have the high end, and is too expensive and ) non-compatable to compete at the low end.i   Dave     -- g4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:41:22 GMTI# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t" Subject: Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?H Message-ID: <mIUwa.208111$kYH.1054@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagej& news:3EC3E9D6.7060808@tsoft-inc.com..." > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: >n2 > > Have you perhaps seen the (german) newsticker: > >o4 > > http://heise.de/newsticker/data/as-25.02.03-000/ > >sC > > From the URL it seems that it is already some weeks/months old.r > >h? > > It states that I64-2 is way beyond Alpha in SAP benchmarks.0 >6 >z< > Alpha died years ago.  Even the EV7 seems to perform below expectations, for noC > reason, which raises the issue of whether this is intentional, or 	 just fromoC > inattention.  Note that Alpha was able to keep up and/or ahead ofl
 Power fromC > IBM.  That was with attention, not stagnation.  When you can show- some studiesE > that show IA-64 beating the latest Power based systems, then we cans consider> > whether it would have been able to challenge a 'live' Alpha. >aB > > So, count one more who thinks, the Itanic is not an Itanium... > >oE > > I'm still in doubt, whether I should believe that Itanic will diea (as IvA > > thought the last years) or I should hope that it will survives (becauseF > > I think/fear, if Itanic really dies, VMS most likely will die with it). >c >aF > As I've stated many times, the technical success of IA-64 is not and	 has never F > been the issue.  Recent information suggests that the total sales of	 all IA-64 E > CPUs, lifetime, is under 5000.  Less than nothing to a company liken Intel.  WhatE > will Intel's technical talent be working on if Hammer is successful  in the massrE > market?  Not IA-64 you can be sure.  What is the future of IA-64 ifa all that canC > be hoped for is some already planned process shrinks?  You can be-
 sure that AMD D > is first concerned with the mass market, but, in time may have theC > infrastructure on the chips to allow much larger SMP systems thanv
 they now haveo > provided for.  > ? > One can never predict what the future holds, but as of today,e on-chip memoryD > controllers and on-chip 'glue' for SMP seems to greatly outperform SMPrF > implemented off-chip.  IBM, AMD, and Alpha have such, and IA-64 will only get ithE > if those who know how are allowed to implement it on IA-64.  Shouldv they be put A > to work elsewhere, IA-64 will not have the high end, and is tooo
 expensive and + > non-compatable to compete at the low end.c    A Are you saying that the industry leader in chips is following thedC 1980's example of the industry leader in mid-range systems with theh? inevitable same result for their customers - forced migration??k   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:40:14 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>" Subject: Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?, Message-ID: <3EC4417E.3010901@tsoft-inc.com>   John Smith wrote:y  7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagev( > news:3EC3E9D6.7060808@tsoft-inc.com... > " >>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: >> >>1 >>>Have you perhaps seen the (german) newsticker:  >>>r3 >>>http://heise.de/newsticker/data/as-25.02.03-000/> >>> B >>>From the URL it seems that it is already some weeks/months old. >>>r> >>>It states that I64-2 is way beyond Alpha in SAP benchmarks. >>>e >>< >>Alpha died years ago.  Even the EV7 seems to perform below >> > expectations, for no > C >>reason, which raises the issue of whether this is intentional, or  >> > just fromo > C >>inattention.  Note that Alpha was able to keep up and/or ahead ofn >> > Power from > C >>IBM.  That was with attention, not stagnation.  When you can show> >> > some studies > E >>that show IA-64 beating the latest Power based systems, then we can  >>
 > consider > > >>whether it would have been able to challenge a 'live' Alpha. >> >>A >>>So, count one more who thinks, the Itanic is not an Itanium...p >>>rD >>>I'm still in doubt, whether I should believe that Itanic will die >>>f > (as Iu > @ >>>thought the last years) or I should hope that it will survive >>>P
 > (because > E >>>I think/fear, if Itanic really dies, VMS most likely will die withT >>>  > it). >  >>F >>As I've stated many times, the technical success of IA-64 is not and >> > has nevere > F >>been the issue.  Recent information suggests that the total sales of >> > all IA-64i > E >>CPUs, lifetime, is under 5000.  Less than nothing to a company likev >> > Intel.  What > E >>will Intel's technical talent be working on if Hammer is successful  >>
 > in the mass- > E >>market?  Not IA-64 you can be sure.  What is the future of IA-64 ife >> > all that can > C >>be hoped for is some already planned process shrinks?  You can be. >> > sure that AMD  > D >>is first concerned with the mass market, but, in time may have theC >>infrastructure on the chips to allow much larger SMP systems thanl >> > they now havel >  >>provided for.t >>? >>One can never predict what the future holds, but as of today,e >> > on-chip memory > D >>controllers and on-chip 'glue' for SMP seems to greatly outperform >> > SMPe > F >>implemented off-chip.  IBM, AMD, and Alpha have such, and IA-64 will >>
 > only get iti > E >>if those who know how are allowed to implement it on IA-64.  Shouldp >>
 > they be puth > A >>to work elsewhere, IA-64 will not have the high end, and is too  >> > expensive andn > + >>non-compatable to compete at the low end.r >> >  > C > Are you saying that the industry leader in chips is following theoE > 1980's example of the industry leader in mid-range systems with the A > inevitable same result for their customers - forced migration??0    P I think I'm saying the opposite.  Intel is what it is today because of the mass Q market.  8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, Pentium, et al were never world beater CPUs. eL   They were adequate to good for what they did, with the help of Microsoft, O which was to sell in such volume that all other CPUs, even when they increased a@ their volume, became insignificant with respect to market share.  P Let me re-state that rather important concept.  Even when VAX, Alpha, and other P 'real computers' actually increased their volume, they were still insignificant 5 due to the volume of PCs being manufactured and sold.     N So, Intel is either just dumb and lucky, or, they realize what made them what Q they are today.  I think they do realize such, and when challenged on their core oM market, will fight long, hard, and nasty to keep that market.  However, they s2 will need to have their nose bloodied a bit first.  N IA-64 is as much an EGO thing with Intel as anything else.  While gaining the Q mass market, and having people accept that 'industry standard' marketing gimick,  L they have had to endure the 'toy computer' and 'real computer' stuff, and I P think it has bothered them.  IA-64 is their attempt at being considered a 'real N computer'.  It doesn't look like they will make bundles of money on it.  It's L quite possible they'll never recoup the investment.  But it's their shot at J 'legitimacy'.  As long as they have the mass market, they can afford this H sideline of trying to be just as good as the 'real' computer companies. P However, when that mass market is jeprodized, I think they'll forget about this L flirtation with 'image' and 'ego', and fight with all they have to maintain  their real money maker.a  M As for migration, I think AMD has answered that.  Run the old stuff, run new sN stuff, we don't care, and you don't have to either.  Not saying this produces P the best product possible, but the best product(s) possible seem to have gotten N lost or worse in this vast sea of mass market products.  I think that serious P software will have to learn to live with commodity hardware, and figure out how H to make it do what is required.  Not saying that say VMS has to use all N commodity hardware, just be able to utilize selected commodity hardware.  The 2 'selection' is where 'reliability' will come from.  Q I think AMD is further ahead at this time at taking a commodity and making it do gP tricks.  But remember that while AMD was ahead for a while and won the race, on N their terms, to 1 GHz, Intel caught up rather quickly.  If it weren't for the M diversion into IA-64, instigated by HP, it might have been Intel who had the f first x86 based 64 bit CPU.    Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:17:04 -0500L1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?' Message-ID: <3EC45830.E9A90632@fsi.net>f   David Froble wrote:  > [snip]R > I think AMD is further ahead at this time at taking a commodity and making it doQ > tricks.  But remember that while AMD was ahead for a while and won the race, on O > their terms, to 1 GHz, Intel caught up rather quickly.  If it weren't for thedN > diversion into IA-64, instigated by HP, it might have been Intel who had the > first x86 based 64 bit CPU.a  F First let me state up front: I realize that my track record affords me little - if any - credibility.  E That said, it seems to me that AMD Opteron and Linux pretty much havehF Intel and Uncle Bill by the balls at this point. Opteron - for all itsG faults, remembering Bob C.'s nomme de guerre for it: "oopsteron" - runstE rings around Itanic in 32-bit code which, according to the pundits at D large, appears to be the "brass ring" for the 32/64 bit transitional	 interval.i  G If I were in a position to have any say so, I'd have to tell OVMS Engr.oE to get on the ball and get going with an Opteron port in concert withtE the Itanic port. Likely both will surface, especially now that AMD isrG ADVERTISING (there's *THAT* word again! SHIT! Between "advertising" and`F "affordable", there's just no escape!) Opteron, and VMS needs to be onG both CPUs (too bad they're not entirely compatible at the 64-bit level,  eh? ;-)   G Then again, VMS has needed to be on IA32 for well over a decade, but it C took Charon-VAX to make that a reality - much too late and much too  expensive to be competitive.   -- i David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/9   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:00:48 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?( Message-ID: <3EC4626A.FE1B733@istop.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:I > If I were in a position to have any say so, I'd have to tell OVMS Engr.u7 > to get on the ball and get going with an Opteron porte  N Carly has repeatedly stated she thinks "commodity" and "volume" are what drive decisions. e  B HP/Digital had no problems dropping their own products and adopt aM competitor's  Product (Windows) because it had a leadership role. By the samevN logic, HP should drop HP-UX and simply resell Solaris since Solaris is seen as the leader of Unix.m  M And applying the same logic, HP should move to the 8086 architecture now that  it has 64 bit capability.f  I How much did Intel have to pay Compaq to drop Alpha and port VMS ? When aTK vendor has to bribe other vendors to adopt its failed chip, it doesn't looky that great.t   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 14:29:04 -0700* From: ashoffman@comcast.net (Alan Hoffman)( Subject: Re: Java "Unknown host" problem= Message-ID: <838d7cb0.0305151329.1c251b0f@posting.google.com>s  b lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<b9tr8m$dqd$1@newslocal.mitre.org>... > ashoffman@comcast.net (Alan Hoffman) writes in article <838d7cb0.0305130815.7de1d8ee@posting.google.com> dated 13 May 2003 09:15:07 -0700:I > >Our system person wasn't sure what you meant by tcpip stack but we are3 > >running TCPIP version 5.3 t > ? > Yes, that's what I meant.  More specifically, you're running ?: > "Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3". > ( > >on a Decstation DS10. I tried settingE > >decw$display to localhost:0.0 and got the following message when Ie > >tried to run Java:B > >AG > >Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect tohF > >X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable > ; > One more thing needed for that to work -- you must change N > SYS$STARTUP:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM (copy from .TEMPLATE if it doesn'tC > exist) to load the TCPIP transport.  And then restart DECwindows.o > H > >Also when I ran "TCPIP SHOW HOST WSA1" I got the 2 minute timeout and > >then an error message.e+ > >%TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not founds > >-RMS-E-RNF, record not foundm > J > That confirms that your tcp/ip nameserver configuration is not working. - > What you should be getting is an immediate l > . >     %TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found" >     -RMS-E-RNF, record not found > L > Does "tcpip show host www.yahoo.com" work any better?  If not, perhaps youN > should simply disable it, i.e. "tcpip set name_service /system/disable".  Or* > adjust the retry and timeout parameters. > ( > delay = server_count * retry * timeout > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgp@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  F Ok, here is what I know to date. We have 3 alphastation DS10's runningF OpenVMS 7.3-1. They are connected via DECNET and a hub or router which9 is connected to our intranet and eventually to the world.e  F Machine #1: When I run "TCPIP SHO HOST WWW.YAHOO.COM" I get a bunch ofE info about yahoo. When I run Java it gives me the "Uknown Host: WSA1"l; message but it only takes a few seconds and then Java runs.i  < Machine #2: When I run "TCPIP SHO HOST WWW.YAHOO.COM" I get:( %TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found -RMS-E-RNF, record not foundF When I run Java it waits about 2 minutes and then shows "Unknown Host: WSA1" and then Java runs.0  < Machine #3: When I run "TCPIP SHO HOST WWW.YAHOO.COM" I get:0 % TCPIP-E-HOSTERROR, cannot process host request( -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found -RMS-E-RNF, record not foundD When I run Java it waits a few seconds and then shows "Unknown Host: WSA1" and then Java runs  E When I set the display to "localhost:0.0" on any of the machines they D all fail in the same way when trying to run Java with the following:  D Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect toC X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variablee  B I've also checked the decw$private_server_setup.com file and foundD that decw$server_transports did not have TCPIP in it's list (it doesA now) on all the machines. I assume that this file is being calleds
 somewhere.  C I've also done "tcpip show configuration name_service" and gotten 3uC different results. On machine #1 it shows info that indicates to me3C that it is using something on our intranet (the value for DOMAIN is:D company.com and SERVERS is some intranet IP). On machine #2 it looksD as if it is pointing to itself (the value for DOMAIN is machine2 andF SERVERS is machine2's IP) and on machine #3 it's not defined. As noted> above machine's 1 & 3 return quickly and machine 2 hangs for 2F minutes. I wonder if I undefine #2 if it will then act more like #3 or
 visa versa???e  @ I just tried running "TCPIP SET NAME_SERVICE /SYSTEM/DISABLE" on9 machine #2 and now it no longer has the 2 minute timeout.   D Thanks for all the suggestions and information. Now on to how to fixD the failure of "localhost". A co-worker has a program that is tryingC to use multicasting but it isn't working (it works on a system in ayD different building). Is the multicasting problem related to my TCPIP problems???    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:08:35 -0400p( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: Java "Unknown host" problem* Message-ID: <3EC43A13.60705@tsoft-inc.com>   Alan Hoffman wrote:i  d > lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<b9tr8m$dqd$1@newslocal.mitre.org>... >  >>ashoffman@comcast.net (Alan Hoffman) writes in article <838d7cb0.0305130815.7de1d8ee@posting.google.com> dated 13 May 2003 09:15:07 -0700: >>I >>>Our system person wasn't sure what you meant by tcpip stack but we arep >>>running TCPIP version 5.3   >>>c? >>Yes, that's what I meant.  More specifically, you're running m: >>"Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3". >> >>( >>>on a Decstation DS10. I tried settingE >>>decw$display to localhost:0.0 and got the following message when I- >>>tried to run Java:  >>> G >>>Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect toeF >>>X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable >>> ; >>One more thing needed for that to work -- you must changelN >>SYS$STARTUP:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM (copy from .TEMPLATE if it doesn'tC >>exist) to load the TCPIP transport.  And then restart DECwindows.t >> >>H >>>Also when I ran "TCPIP SHOW HOST WSA1" I got the 2 minute timeout and >>>then an error message.e+ >>>%TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not foundi >>>-RMS-E-RNF, record not foundt >>>nJ >>That confirms that your tcp/ip nameserver configuration is not working. - >>What you should be getting is an immediate a >>. >>    %TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found" >>    -RMS-E-RNF, record not found >>L >>Does "tcpip show host www.yahoo.com" work any better?  If not, perhaps youN >>should simply disable it, i.e. "tcpip set name_service /system/disable".  Or* >>adjust the retry and timeout parameters. >>( >>delay = server_count * retry * timeout >>- >>--Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orga@ >>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. >> > H > Ok, here is what I know to date. We have 3 alphastation DS10's runningH > OpenVMS 7.3-1. They are connected via DECNET and a hub or router which; > is connected to our intranet and eventually to the world.i > H > Machine #1: When I run "TCPIP SHO HOST WWW.YAHOO.COM" I get a bunch ofG > info about yahoo. When I run Java it gives me the "Uknown Host: WSA1" = > message but it only takes a few seconds and then Java runs.n > > > Machine #2: When I run "TCPIP SHO HOST WWW.YAHOO.COM" I get:* > %TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found > -RMS-E-RNF, record not foundH > When I run Java it waits about 2 minutes and then shows "Unknown Host: > WSA1" and then Java runs.2 > > > Machine #3: When I run "TCPIP SHO HOST WWW.YAHOO.COM" I get:2 > % TCPIP-E-HOSTERROR, cannot process host request* > -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found > -RMS-E-RNF, record not foundF > When I run Java it waits a few seconds and then shows "Unknown Host: > WSA1" and then Java runs > G > When I set the display to "localhost:0.0" on any of the machines theynF > all fail in the same way when trying to run Java with the following: > F > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect toE > X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variableo > D > I've also checked the decw$private_server_setup.com file and foundF > that decw$server_transports did not have TCPIP in it's list (it doesC > now) on all the machines. I assume that this file is being calledr > somewhere. > E > I've also done "tcpip show configuration name_service" and gotten 3pE > different results. On machine #1 it shows info that indicates to meaE > that it is using something on our intranet (the value for DOMAIN isyF > company.com and SERVERS is some intranet IP). On machine #2 it looksF > as if it is pointing to itself (the value for DOMAIN is machine2 andH > SERVERS is machine2's IP) and on machine #3 it's not defined. As noted@ > above machine's 1 & 3 return quickly and machine 2 hangs for 2H > minutes. I wonder if I undefine #2 if it will then act more like #3 or > visa versa???e > B > I just tried running "TCPIP SET NAME_SERVICE /SYSTEM/DISABLE" on; > machine #2 and now it no longer has the 2 minute timeout.e > F > Thanks for all the suggestions and information. Now on to how to fixF > the failure of "localhost". A co-worker has a program that is tryingE > to use multicasting but it isn't working (it works on a system in a F > different building). Is the multicasting problem related to my TCPIP
 > problems???o >     O In order to resolve external names, you either need to have the name specified cO using SET HOST, or the system must have both external name resolution enabled,  " AND, a path to a valid DNS server.  ? Using SHOW NAME will show the first part of these requirements:a   TCPIP> sho namev   BIND Resolver Parameters     Local domain: T-SOFT     System      State:     Started, Enabled      Transport: UDPe    Domain:    T-SOFT    Retry:     48    Timeout:   4i    Servers:    JODIp     Path:       No values defined  	   Processt      State:     Enabled   
    Transport: 
    Domain:	    Retry:o    Timeout:m    Servers:i    Path:  O Using SHOW ROUTE will show whether you have a path (GATEWAY) to the DNS server:    TCPIP> show route   %                               DYNAMICB  < Type           Destination                           Gateway  8 AN    0.0.0.0                               192.168.7.995 AH    127.0.0.1                             127.0.0.1.8 DN    192.168.7.0/24                        192.168.7.26    Q In this case, 192.168.7.99 is the address of my NAT router, thus the GATEWAY for h the system.o   Dave   -- t4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 14:42:14 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Large Vax required-3 Message-ID: <ujjn+Tz+CbDN@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  U In article <BvFwUSX0TXQd@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:o > A > A GS320 is quite an impressive size too, and that's without they > accompanying disk farm.c  E    Disk farm?  Well, our disk farm was smaller than a house.  And theh*    tape farm could fit into most kitchens.  C    I'm still suprized at how little space our DEC 10000, HSC, disk,t?    and tapes takes up.  But we're going to upgrade it to an EV5 ,    desktop, because we need the floor space.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:24:52 -0400c' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>e Subject: Re: Large Vax required < Message-ID: <howard-515B7F.00245216052003@enews.newsguy.com>  . In article <vc774u90bij88@corp.supernews.com>,*  Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com> wrote:   > How do they compare, BTW?c  C Totally different architecture.  One's a VAX, the other's an Alpha.0    K > I've not seen an 11-780, but I've spent alot of time using a 9440, which iH > had all the normal peripherals (several disk cabinets, 9-track, STAR, I > even a optical disc jukebox) and at least 1 BI expansion cabinet.  The HH > CPU and expansion cabinets were easily 20 feet and the peripheral and 4 > controller cabinets were probably another 30 feet.   -- d4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 11:44:06 -07002 From: fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Mattison)/ Subject: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detachedg= Message-ID: <6449213e.0305151044.78ee9d4f@posting.google.com>   D Switching from RUN image to RUN/DETACHED image, the detached process, is no longer able to reference the logicals.  - Could you please tell me what to do.  Thanks!s   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:41:16 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detachedm. Message-ID: <ba0qgs$81t$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Mattison) writes in article <6449213e.0305151044.78ee9d4f@posting.google.com> dated 15 May 2003 11:44:06 -0700:E >Switching from RUN image to RUN/DETACHED image, the detached process - >is no longer able to reference the logicals.h  I That's correct.  When you RUN/DETACHED, a process is created which is not G part of your original job, so it doesn't have access to the LNM$JOB andc LNM$PROCESS tables.t  . >Could you please tell me what to do.  Thanks!  H It depends what you're trying to accomplish.  In general, a RUN/DETACHEDH command is an alternative to a SUBMIT or SPAWN/NOWAIT command, not a RUN image command.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgr> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:55:52 -0500L( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached 1 Message-ID: <03051514555286@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>r  J > It depends what you're trying to accomplish.  In general, a RUN/DETACHEDJ > command is an alternative to a SUBMIT or SPAWN/NOWAIT command, not a RUN > image command.  : The RUN/DETACH and SUBMIT will result with the same issue.  ? You could use define/group to set the logicals as one solution.e   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratori Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkb   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:07:31 GMTe+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>c3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detachedc2 Message-ID: <BAE94191.8730%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   On 5/15/03 11:44 AM, in articlenA 6449213e.0305151044.78ee9d4f@posting.google.com, "Frank Mattison"s$ <fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil> wrote:  F > Switching from RUN image to RUN/DETACHED image, the detached process. > is no longer able to reference the logicals. > / > Could you please tell me what to do.  Thanks!:  I RUN/DETACHED runs a detached process, ie it creates a new one so the onlywI logical names you have are the ones created by process creation, and whatFJ you will have in the system and group tables. Any other logical names thatJ you may define in your LOGIN.com or by SYLOGIN.COM or any other means willJ have to be redefined by a command procedure prior to running your detached process.  J Create a command procedure to run your image, but before you do create allI the logical names you need to execute your image. Let's say you call thisc= command procedure DETRUN.COM, then you run it by doing this :e  H $RUN/DETACHED/INPUT=DETRUN.COM/OUTPUT=DETRUN.LOG SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE   Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:35:32 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam>J Subject: Looking for an NFS Server for Windows NT 4, 2000, and 2003 Server2 Message-ID: <_5Rwa.3118$xC3.68848@news.uswest.net>  K Anyone have any recommendations.  My client will be VMS 7.3-1 TCPIP 5.3 ECO D 1.  I need to be able to read and write text files on Windows disks.   TIA,
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:56:44 GMT ) From: Lon Stowell <lon.stowell@attbi.com> N Subject: Re: Looking for an NFS Server for Windows NT 4, 2000, and 2003 Server( Message-ID: <3EC3E2F2.1070204@attbi.com>   Michael D. Ober wrote:M > Anyone have any recommendations.  My client will be VMS 7.3-1 TCPIP 5.3 ECO F > 1.  I need to be able to read and write text files on Windows disks. >  > TIA, > Mike Ober. >  >   > Try the Microsoft Unix Services for Windows.  Works reasonably well....   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:47:19 -0400s* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>N Subject: Re: Looking for an NFS Server for Windows NT 4, 2000, and 2003 Server. Message-ID: <3EC3B687.12703.8B3B6C4@localhost>  / On 15 May 2003 at 12:35, Michael D. Ober wrote: M > Anyone have any recommendations.  My client will be VMS 7.3-1 TCPIP 5.3 ECO F > 1.  I need to be able to read and write text files on Windows disks.    Haven't tried it, but check out:  -     http://www.tucows.com/preview/226392.htmls   It's a NFS client and server.5  
 --Stan Quayle0 Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671r1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147u= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 18:17:13 -07005 From: Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp (Hiroyuki Tanaka)L7 Subject: Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node namet= Message-ID: <68cfa44d.0305151717.7b7862f5@posting.google.com>r   Hi David  H > Not sure where to find the doc. at this point, but this was documented4 > many moons ago (using MOP, etc. within a program). > F > What troubles me is that you say, "I wish to use this information toE > connect to the node". Connect how? ...by MOP Remote Console? If theeH > target server supports TCP/IP, there may be another way to do what you > want.. > I > Exactly what is it that you're up to? Why do you want to connect to the<J > server, and, once you do, what kind of conversation do you want to carry > on with the server?m  F In the end I am going to use MOP remote console.  I have written using anF example posted a few weeks ago for the remote console.  It used a hard coded address.  D I cannot determine what I need to do to look up the address from the terminal@ server name.  Is this documented in publically available places?  - The devices I am using do not all support IP.    Thanks   Tanaka   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:11:38 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 7 Subject: Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node nameN' Message-ID: <3EC448DA.7EE457B5@fsi.net>v   Hiroyuki Tanaka wrote: > [snip]F > I cannot determine what I need to do to look up the address from the
 > terminalB > server name.  Is this documented in publically available places?  % Dunno where you'd find it these days.   / > The devices I am using do not all support IP.@  G Hhmmm... Well, depending how deep you're willing to dig into the bowels0C of the network protocols, you may be able to open a short LAT-baseduD transaction with the server (attempt to access a port, regardless ofH success or failure and if success close the transaction) in order to get? a packet or two back so you can examine it for the MAC address.A  G Other than that, we've reached the limits of how I can try to help withpF this. Others here are better qualified to go deeper and help you solve this question.   -- a David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 17:15:22 -0700/ From: prosullivan@aol.com (prosullivan@aol.com) 0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Memory/Performance Question< Message-ID: <a14b767a.0305151615.719c508@posting.google.com>  h "Martin O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> wrote in message news:<b9gsn9$inhhs$1@ID-118202.news.dfncis.de>...c > "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message news:03050912563359@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...,Q > : > On my system, a MONITOR CLUSTER shows that my "%Memory In Use" is running as > : > steady 80%+. > :dI > : Rule of thumb I stick by, no greater than 70-80% in a dynamic system.a > :f [snip]E Well, the first thing I do (if I have no performance tools other thankC good old monitor) is to run workset.com. Workset is a useful littlee@ program supplied on the old VMS performance course. It gives you@ process physical, virtual and working set limits in a convenient2 format. If you do not have it, I can email to you.< Then I check if someone has been messing around with autogen parameters.t@ Then I check the /MPW parameters to see if they have been set toF incredibly feeble values (used to happen when customers went from 6.2.> to 7.1 and forgot the new max. values available), or when some* inexperienced sysadmin 'tunes' the system.   posS   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 09:21:41 -0700 From: sam@ratex.dk (Sam)% Subject: Re: Printing to PCL-Printer?t< Message-ID: <d1111de.0305150821.244e1220@posting.google.com>  / You can use PrintKit from "Northlake Software". @ I used it at a customers site. It is very good. You can download+ the software for trial from theis web site:-I www.nls.com/products/products.html?con=/products/trial.com/info_form_init,   Kind regards SamM    k gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote in message news:<b9t5o9$coi$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>...- > Hello, > O > is it possible to print to a networked PCL-printer from OpenVMS? Let's assumeTO > the network connection (LPR) is working. The question is, is there a symbiontrA > or the like to print standard text files (with German Umlauts)?j > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |J > +------------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html -------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 14:33:32 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t% Subject: Re: Printing to PCL-Printer?s3 Message-ID: <NXwTOImXkSa4@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  f In article <b9vqha$cph$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:N > I'm aware of this. My question was a more general one. I know now that I canL > print ASCII text. In addition I am able to insert PCL sequences to requestQ > special features via setup modules. So the only problem might be German Umlauts/K > or other special characters that are part of the extended ASCII code thatsO > OpenVMS uses. Is this code the same as with PCL? Or even worse, the technical 3 > character set...  Any experiences from real life?   H     As far as umlauts and such things in the DEC Multinational characterC    set, I think you'll find the usual ISO font is almost identical, C    which means you can probably handle them as plain test, or maybeI=    just prepend a setup module that selects the correct font.t   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 14:15:53 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)d Subject: Re: remote dirt+ Message-ID: <XbJpQnjdVanm@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>h  R In article <b9vkst$ajep$1@as201.hinet.hr>, "Igor" <igor.fosic@os.hinet.hr> writes:K > I have .com procedure where I want to display contents of my directory ono > other server in cluster.
 > If I use  >  $ dir server"username pass"::N > then it's OK but I don't want to display my password in some procedure, so I
 > want to usef > $ dir server::*.*;* " > and get content of my directory.$ > This DCL command gives me an error8 > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening XXXXXX::*.*;* as input1 > -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failedd> > -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node. > I have read about proxies and made it in UAF4 > UAF add/proxy server::remoteuser localuser/defaultM > but it isn't work. Can someone help me with a few instructions how to solve  > this problem?aH > I am using OpenVMS 7.3 on localserver and OpenVMS 5.5 on remoteserver.  " It depends on the Decnet version :   DECNET IV: 0   $ ncp help set proxies SETh	   PROXIES I     The SET KNOWN PROXIES ALL command clears the contents of the volatile0M     proxy database and rebuilds the volatile proxy database from the contents $     of the permanent proxy database.3                      SET     KNOWN PROXIES      ALL0     DECNET V (Decnet Plus):    Make sure in NCL:i- ncl   set session control incoming proxy truet  + and for each application, in this case FAL:h< ncl set session control application fal incoming proxy false  J I'm not sure, if application naming cache affects newly added proxies, but eventually e0 ncl flush session control naming cache entry "*"	 may help.o    -- tN Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 14:35:56 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d  Subject: Re: Spamfilter for VMS?3 Message-ID: <Mhkmlgeul3QH@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  f In article <b9vr20$cph$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:  = >To my impression, invalid addresses never disappear from the ' > e-mail address lists of the spammers.e  I Once I started filtering spam on my Alpha, the number of attempts droppedf? off dramatically.  I think many spammers do track and eliminate   addresses which fail repeatedly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 01:10:05 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>  Subject: Re: Spamfilter for VMS?5 Message-ID: <ba1a90$nkn01$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>t  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagei# news:3EC4210A.441BCB46@istop.com...gI > Got a different one today.  Now, the magic pill garantees a bigger heady (orn > the male organ). >fI > I immediatly tried to telnet to port 25 of the dialup IP address in thep middle# > of the Received: list, and I got:u >t! > $ telnet 200.158.74.112/port=25w- > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 200.158.74.112 = > %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 200.158.74.112, port 25t; > 220 169.254.205.7 SMTP AnalogX Proxy 4.07 (Release) readya >e > G > I played around on it for a while, trying to hold the line as long as F > possible, but everytime I tried a MAIL FROM: it would disconnect me. > I > However, a quick search on google (sorry Alta Vista, but your automatic6 page > refreshes lost me) > and I found :o4 > http://www.securiteam.com/exploits/5VP0X0020O.html > & > Wow, a nice list of vulnerabilities. >,L that list would probably not have helped a lot, it refers to vulnerabilitiesK in AnalogX Proxy 4.04 or earlier, the log you supplied shows the version inhJ use to be AnalogX Proxy 4.07, i.e. 2 version points later than the release* alleged to have fixed the vulnerabilities.     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net  http://www.travell.uk.net/           ---i& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/2003t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:22:05 -0400s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>  Subject: Re: Spamfilter for VMS?) Message-ID: <3EC4210A.441BCB46@istop.com>t  K Got a different one today.  Now, the magic pill garantees a bigger head (ora the male organ).  N I immediatly tried to telnet to port 25 of the dialup IP address in the middle! of the Received: list, and I got:t   $ telnet 200.158.74.112/port=25e+ %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 200.158.74.112I; %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 200.158.74.112, port 25e9 220 169.254.205.7 SMTP AnalogX Proxy 4.07 (Release) readya    E I played around on it for a while, trying to hold the line as long as D possible, but everytime I tried a MAIL FROM: it would disconnect me.  L However, a quick search on google (sorry Alta Vista, but your automatic page refreshes lost me)
 and I found :d2 http://www.securiteam.com/exploits/5VP0X0020O.html  $ Wow, a nice list of vulnerabilities.  N Unfortunatly, by the time I got back to trying to play with that relay, it was no longer responding.f  0 I guess on has to catch them while they are hot.  . And the proxy server they use can be found at:: http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/proxy.htm  M I was expecting this software to be truly underground, but to have what seemsiK to have a legitimate company selling/giving the spamming-enabling software.o  M I sent them a comment telling them that their software was being used to spamt
 the world.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:31:43 -0400 + From: Michael Corbett <corbett@PROCESS.COM>e4 Subject: Re: TCPware NETCP.LOG file - can I move it?* Message-ID: <3EC3DD0F.3040500@PROCESS.COM>   Steve Spires wrote:e  G > I have a site or two where fragmentation is becoming a problem on the I > system disk, due in part to the expansion of the NETCP.LOG file. DFO ishE > battling against this, but it looks currently like a losing battle!n > A > Can I move this file OFF the system disk, away from the TCPWARElF > directory? The documentation doesn't appear to mention this, but I'm > still reading hard...h >     A 	There is no way to do this via the configuration utilities.  YouoJ could modify tcpware:startnet.com and change the /output=tcpware:netcp.logH line on the run command that starts the TCPware_netcp process.  The onlyC problem is that it will revert back to tcpware:netcp.log if you use  the NETCU SET LOG/NET command.   regards4 Mike       -- eK +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+nD Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software                          Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:45:49 -0500.1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>]4 Subject: Re: TCPware NETCP.LOG file - can I move it?' Message-ID: <3EC450DD.63ACB962@fsi.net>    Michael Corbett wrote: >  > Steve Spires wrote:d > I > > I have a site or two where fragmentation is becoming a problem on thefK > > system disk, due in part to the expansion of the NETCP.LOG file. DFO is G > > battling against this, but it looks currently like a losing battle!a > > C > > Can I move this file OFF the system disk, away from the TCPWARErH > > directory? The documentation doesn't appear to mention this, but I'm > > still reading hard...  > >b > J >         There is no way to do this via the configuration utilities.  YouL > could modify tcpware:startnet.com and change the /output=tcpware:netcp.logJ > line on the run command that starts the TCPware_netcp process.  The onlyE > problem is that it will revert back to tcpware:netcp.log if you useo  > the NETCU SET LOG/NET command.  H ...or find where the TCPWARE lnm gets DEFINEd at system startup time and< move the entire tree to another disk. Then, it won't matter.   -- h David J. DachteraS dba DJE SystemsT http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/M   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 04:37:21 GMTh' From: "Mark E. Levy" <melevy@attbi.com> 4 Subject: Re: TCPware NETCP.LOG file - can I move it?? Message-ID: <5WZwa.341676$Si4.288647@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>d  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EC450DD.63ACB962@fsi.net...d > Michael Corbett wrote:  J > ...or find where the TCPWARE lnm gets DEFINEd at system startup time and> > move the entire tree to another disk. Then, it won't matter.  D I wouldn't recommend that, unless you plan on replicating the entire8 sys$specific/sys$common/sys$sysroot structure elsewhere.     -- a Mark E. Levy" System Management Associates, Inc. www.sysman-inc.com www.openvms.com    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2003 17:38:24 -0700- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)u Subject: TLZ10 Dat Drive< Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0305151638.708b728@posting.google.com>  @ In my job I use a TLZ10 dat drive to make rmu/backup operations.C (VAX/VMS 5.5-2). Reading TLZ10 manual, this drive accepts 61000 bpis4  density value. Can I put this value in the command:#  $ rmu/backup/noincre/density=61000H  It will work ?t  ,  If I set TLZ10 with data compression using:   $ init mka500:/media=compaction  $ mount/for/media=compaction 2  Ill double rmu backup data storage in the tape ?  r  Thanks in advance...h   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT)M+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>sE Subject: Re: unix sues linux ... you don't get something for nothing!-H Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.53L-031.0305151144060.9839@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>  ? Not only old news, but it really doesn't mean much of anything.lA SCO is a tired, empty shell of a company. It has seen its revenuet@ and market value drop to nearly nothing over the years, and thisE kind of desperate lashing out in the legal arena is yet more evidence C that the company is either making its last stand before it expires,,E or else is crying out for IBM to buy them instead of even bother withC= the lawsuit, and thus put them out of their misery. those whos> read the article will note that the last sentence in it summedK things up nicely: 'The sound you hear is The SCO Group crisping in the firei it started'"   happy hacking, Isilduro    & On Thu, 15 May 2003, John Smith wrote:   > Old news.t >v >e7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0305150439.76ba2332@posting.google.com...E3 > > looks like linux will not be free after all ... , > > like I said, you don't get something for+ > > nothing, or in this case, you don't getn > > nothing for nothing ...  > > , > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9506 >  >C >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:43:53 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>tE Subject: Re: unix sues linux ... you don't get something for nothing! ' Message-ID: <3EC45069.A73A0622@fsi.net>t   Dean Woodward wrote: >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:o3 > > looks like linux will not be free after all ...I > 5 > You're not much for reading comprehension, are you?  > , > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9506 > H > "The sound you hear is The SCO Group crisping in the fire it started."  B Rather like the company goes around suing people for using the gifD format without licensing it. The adjective "quixotic" comes to mind.   -- o David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:53:40 GMT 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>* Subject: Re: VMS Admins with too much time* Message-ID: <3EC3B587.E035D26@digital.com>   Paul Sture wrote:v > ` > In article <OFC552161F.021E55AC-ON85256D26.00454BAF@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > >t5 > > Way too much time, but what is "file system foo"?t > 
 > No idea. > @ > >> $! string and list manipulation, file system foo, and more. > >  > >hG > > From:  Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> on 05/14/2003 08:06 AMo > >c; > > Please respond to Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>R > >R  > > To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > cc:i > >f- > > Subject:    VMS Admins with too much time  > >h > >v% > > I found the following script on :c1 > > "http://99-bottles-of-beer.ls-la.net/d.html".i > >  > 9 > With the excuse that I'm on holiday, here's my version:o > ' > ! 10 Green bottles, sitting on a walla  > $! Adapted by Paul Sture from: > $! > $! 99 bottles of beere- > $! Written for VMS DCL by rsteenw@xs4all.nlw > $! > $!< > $! $fao is a system lexical function, where FAO stands for: > $! Formatted ASCII Output. There's a fair bunch of these< > $! functions accessible via DCL (the command interpreter),? > $! like querying system, device, process and user parameters,u= > $! string and list manipulation, file system foo, and more.  > $! > $ cnt = 10F > $ msg = f$fao("!UB green bottle!1%C!%Es!%F, sitting on a wall", cnt)	 > $ loop:s > $ write sys$output ""c > $ write sys$output msg > $ write sys$output msgJ > $ write sys$output "And if one green bottle should accidentally fall..." > $ cnt = cnt - 1d > $ if cnt .gt. 0a > $ thenJ > $   msg = f$fao("!UB green bottle!1%C!%Es!%F, sitting on the wall", cnt)) > $   write sys$output "There'd be ", msgi > $   goto loop  > $ elseI > $   write sys$output "There'd be no green bottles, sitting on the wall" 	 > $ endifa > ) > Oh, I found an error in HELP LEX F$FAO:s >  > 4.$ OFFSPRING = 1n >   $ REPORT = F$FAO- L >    ("There !0UL!1%Cis!%Eare!%F !-!UL !-!0UL!1%Cchild!%Echildren!%Fhere",1) >   $ SHOW SYMBOL REPORT% >   $ REPORT ="There is 1 child here"f > G > should have OFFSPRING as the last parameter in the F$FAO call, not 1.  > H > Now, being a good VMS citizen, I have just tried to report this to theI > email address found in sys$help:openvmsdoc_comments.txt (Alpha V7.3-1).p" > It's OPENVMSDOC@ZKO.MTS.DEC.COM. > J > Somewhat dubious about whether that address would work, I posted anyway.< > It was therefore no surprise to see my mail returned with: > 5 > Final-Recipient: rfc822; OPENVMSDOC@zko.mts.dec.comc > Action: Failed( > Status: 5.4.3 (routing server failure) > > > So that's two documentation errors I now want to report. :-) > 0 > Can anyone confirm if openvmsdoc@hp.com works? > -- > Paul Sture  H Could'nt resist doing a TPU version (before I fount it under "DECTPU" on
 the web site:i   $ty beer.tpu !h ! TPU command file. - ! Usage: $ EDIT/TPU/NOSECTIO/COMMAND=BEER.TPU> !c$ PROCEDURE count_down( bottle_count )   LOCAL new_countw  !   new_count := bottle_count - 1 ;   B   MESSAGE( FAO("!AS of beer on the wall",number(bottle_count)) ) ;6   MESSAGE( FAO("!AS of beer",number(bottle_count)) ) ;6   MESSAGE( FAO("Take !0UL!1%Cit!%Eone!%F down, pass it around",bottle_count) ) ;g     IF (new_count > 0)   THENA     MESSAGE( FAO("!AS of beer on the wall",number(new_count)) ) ;d     MESSAGE( "" ) ;      count_down( new_count ) ;    ELSE     ! End recursionC0     MESSAGE( "Go to the store for some more" ) ;   ENDIF;  
 ENDPROCEDURE;e   PROCEDURE number( x )n LOCAL a, b, s, s1, s2, t   a := x/10 ;r b := x - (10*a) ;    s1 := tens( a, b ) ; s2 := units( a, b ) ;f IF ( (a > 1) AND (b <> 0) )> THEN   s := FAO("!AS !AS",s1,s2 ) ; ELSE   s := s1 + s2 ;
   IF (x=1)   THEN      s := "Only one"	   ENDIF ;  ENDIF ;t        t := FAO("!0UL bottle!%S",x) ;   number := s + t ;e   ENDPROCEDURE ;   PROCEDURE tens( x, y ) Local st   CASE x FROM 0 to 9         [9] : s := "ninety" ;          [8] : s := "eighty" ;p         [7] : s := "seventy" ;         [6] : s := "sixty" ;         [5] : s := "fifty" ;         [4] : s := "forty" ;         [3] : s := "thirty" ;n         [2] : s := "twenty" ; 
         [1] :t         CASE y FROM 0 to 9!           [9] : s := "nineteen" ;M!           [8] : s := "eighteen" ;N"           [7] : s := "seventeen" ;            [6] : s := "sixteen" ;            [5] : s := "fifteen" ;            [4] : s := "forteen" ;!           [3] : s := "thirteen" ;n           [2] : s := "twelve" ;t           [1] : s := "eleven" ;            [0] : s := "ten" ;         ENDCASE          [0] : s := "" ;a	 ENDCASE ;h tens := s ;I ENDPROCEDURE   PROCEDURE units( x, y )P Local sR   CASE y FROM 0 to 9   [9] : s := "nine" ;d   [8] : s := "eight" ;   [7] : s := "seven" ;   [6] : s := "six" ;   [5] : s := "five"1   [4] : s := "four" ;    [3] : s := "three" ;   [2] : s := "two" ;   [1] : s := "one" ;   [0] : s := "" ;O	 ENDCASE ;r  
 IF (x = 1) THEN    s := "" ; ENDIF;   units := s ; ENDPROCEDURE         ! Main program:    count_down( 99 ) ;  a% MESSAGE("-----------------Mike R.-");s
 MESSAGE(" ");    EXIT ;   !    -- hE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*nF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------l -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----a Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:33:49 -0400g* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Re: VMS Admins with too much time) Message-ID: <3EC3DD8C.9952F645@istop.com>o   Paul Sture wrote:  > 4.$ OFFSPRING = 1a >   $ REPORT = F$FAO-sL >    ("There !0UL!1%Cis!%Eare!%F !-!UL !-!0UL!1%Cchild!%Echildren!%Fhere",1) >   $ SHOW SYMBOL REPORT% >   $ REPORT ="There is 1 child here"n > G > should have OFFSPRING as the last parameter in the F$FAO call, not 1.   I > email address found in sys$help:openvmsdoc_comments.txt (Alpha V7.3-1).n" > It's OPENVMSDOC@ZKO.MTS.DEC.COM.  I Wow. This means that the totally unacceptable quality control in the helpnF files, as evidenced in the above example dates back to the old days at Digital. :-) :-) :-)  K MTS was the message router based network at Digital. When Palmer decided touM sacrifice Digital for the good of Microsoft, he cancelled the port of Message M Router to Alpha, and adopted Exchange as corporate email network. MTS and thed, MR network didn't last very long after that.    0 > Can anyone confirm if openvmsdoc@hp.com works?  - I have had success with openvmsdoc@compaq.com   N compaq.com still points to different servers than hp.com although I think they share the same directory.O   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:14:55 +0200D7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>S4 Subject: Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?/ Message-ID: <ba00c1$goq$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>o   JF Mezei wrote:  > Robert Trawinski wrote:S > $ >>You can replace XtAppMainLoop with >> >>     while (!finishFlag) >>     {. >>         XtAppNextEvent(appContext, &event);# >>         XtDispatchEvent(&event);  >>     } >  > H > Is that all the XtAppMainLoop does ? If so, seems like a simple enough > solution. thanks  < I use this construction on VMS since few years and it works.   Robert   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:25:59 GMT66 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: [GOOGLE] Missing article ?i3 Message-ID: <reWwa.28441$_b1.331786@news.chello.at>e  d In article <74ca5032.0305091111.2f505e31@posting.google.com>, bdhobbs18@acm.org (Bill Hobbs) writes:r >peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<uKKra.89126$v62.940511@news.chello.at>...L >> Four days ago i posted an article <Hxwqa.17751$v62.170443@news.chello.at>K >> "[TCPIP V5.3 ECO2, DECnet-Plus V7.3-1 ECO2] DHCP Client - Startup Phase"aL >> and got no answers so far. Seems surprising. So I googled and didn't findC >> this posting. Now, I'd like to ask, have you seen this posting ?o >aF >Peter, to serve you better, Google filters the postings to our little >newsgroup.  ReferenceW >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=74ca5032.0304111643.5fbd7f34%40posting.google.coms  
 Thanks a lot.tI I once had the idea, that Google didn't list this thread because it was anD cross-post between DE.COMP.OS.VMS and COMP.OS.VMS (with follow-up toH COMP.OS.VMS) but I saw today that GOOGLE listed it for DE.COMP.OS.VMS soH my guesses started from the beginning again. I do not use a Anti-SPAMmedJ From-Address (I've a good Anti-SPAM filter namely MX running which filtersI currently over 98% of my spams) so I can't explain what reason GOOGLE sawcF for this my posting. But nevermind. I only wanted to know, if some bugK prevented such postings to deploy over the world (like not beeing gatewayedtK to INFO-VAX) and if I had to workaround them (like avoid using crossposts).a But this seems not the case.   >Google is not Deja.com.   ...as it still lives ;-)   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist2 E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:42:19 +0200-B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>: Subject: [Netherlands] Grey wall is looking for a new home7 Message-ID: <3EC3DF8B.4E5F@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>o  C We have a complete set of VMS 5 documentation (grey wall). You can hA get it for free in Leiden, the Netherlands. No shipping. Mail to  ' erensm@dolfijn.nl if you're interested.n   --  
 Michiel Erens- Posted by news://news.nb.nu1   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.269 ************************