1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 16 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 270       Contents:P Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting SG Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...") G Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...") G Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...") G Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")  Re: Advanced Server management' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' RE: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ' RE: creating licenses for my own demos? ' Re: creating licenses for my own demos? ( Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor( Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor( Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor( Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor( Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor( Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor( Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor( Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor) Re: DEC TCP/IP Services 5.3 for Hobbyist? ) Re: DEC TCP/IP Services 5.3 for Hobbyist? P RE: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS AlpP Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS AlpP Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS AlpP Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS AlpP Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS AlpP Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alp= Re: fetch_http problem - solved - where's the 'real' source ? P folks I just sent this out to a few of my distribution lists thought  you might P Re: folks I just sent this out to a few of my distribution lists thought  you mi# From Systems and Options Catalogue: ' Re: From Systems and Options Catalogue: * Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?* Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?# Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro # Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro 2 Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far? How small can VMS get ?  Re: How small can VMS get ?  RE: How small can VMS get ?  Re: How small can VMS get ?  Re: How small can VMS get ?  Re: How small can VMS get ? * Re: How to determine boot device from DCL?* RE: How to determine boot device from DCL?* Re: How to determine boot device from DCL?, RE: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job3 Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign 3 Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign 3 Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign * Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached Merge bug fixed in CMS V4.1 P OpenVMS Pearl - Friday May 16 - OpenVMS Partner that does host based testing too! Running VWS software on X-windows % Re: Running VWS software on X-windows % Re: Running VWS software on X-windows  Re: Spamfilter for VMS?  Re: Spamfilter for VMS?  Re: Spamfilter for VMS? 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! < Re: unix sues linux ... you don't get something for nothing! VMS 7.1H1 and 7.1-2  Re: VMS 7.1H1 and 7.1-2  Re: VMS 7.1H1 and 7.1-2 ! Re: VMS Admins with too much time ! VMS character cell interface tool + Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:34:23 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>Y Subject: Re: "CIOs OpenVMS Handbook" was (Re: Another Book from Digital Press - Getting S 5 Message-ID: <ba2co4$nv7n0$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:0JWwa.209669$kYH.147210@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...< > One other chapter has to be added to the CIO Handbook..... > / >     "Can HP be trusted with the future of VMS ) >       any more than Compaq or Digital?"  >         - yes  >         - no0 >         - it depends on how you define 'trust' >   I Probably more than Microsoft can be trusted to actually achieve something  'trustworthy'...     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net  http://www.travell.uk.net/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/2003    ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 03 14:27:47 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")) Message-ID: <vLOGUMlhi7ZL@elias.decus.ch>   ^ In article <vc7eomhjpfdm14@news.supernews.com>, "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> writes:J > From what I have seen, Compaq should charge $250 for VMS Base/NAS  for a > 12-15 Unit machine.    I would probably bite at that.  N > Not a Hobbyist license - never really saw the point in that - giving it away > for free.   G I do see the point for introducing new users to VMS, and in these times D $250 may be too much for many. Certainly too much for those who justB want to try it to see what it does. Let's not forget cash strappedB students, and all the discussions here about educational licenses.  L > But if they restricted licenses to specific serial numnbered PWS or XP10009 > DS10L etc, they would at least see some decent revenue.   > And it would keep users on VMS > B As a die hard VMSer, I wouldn't object to forking out for a properE license at home, subject to pricing, but I suspect there are many who  would find it hard to justify.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:21:38 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ..."). Message-ID: <CB5xa.861302$L1.248917@sccrnsc02>  U In article <vLOGUMlhi7ZL@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  <snip>C >As a die hard VMSer, I wouldn't object to forking out for a proper F >license at home, subject to pricing, but I suspect there are many who >would find it hard to justify.     I have to respectfully disagree.  K Without the Hobbyist program, I could not afford to have an Alpha at home.  O Without an Alpha at home, I could not have applied for a job, the condition for F applcation being that I had to write a piece of DCL code to the hiringI manager's spec.  I was able to test the code until it was perfect, then I L mailed it off to him.  I just had a second interview with the hiring manager. yesterday, and I *might* have a job by Monday.  J All due to islandco.com/hpaq.net (for the relatively cheap machine) and toJ DEC/COMPAQ/Montagar/DFWCUG for lobbying and creating the Hobbyist program., Please folks, don't screw with a good thing!   >  >--  >Paul Sture   A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 03 15:44:57 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")) Message-ID: <BP0RJcLJ0FUJ@elias.decus.ch>   e In article <CB5xa.861302$L1.248917@sccrnsc02>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: W > In article <vLOGUMlhi7ZL@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:  > <snip>D >>As a die hard VMSer, I wouldn't object to forking out for a properG >>license at home, subject to pricing, but I suspect there are many who ' >>would find it hard to justify.         > " > I have to respectfully disagree.  % Actually you are agreeing with me :-)    > M > Without the Hobbyist program, I could not afford to have an Alpha at home.  Q > Without an Alpha at home, I could not have applied for a job, the condition for H > applcation being that I had to write a piece of DCL code to the hiringK > manager's spec.  I was able to test the code until it was perfect, then I N > mailed it off to him.  I just had a second interview with the hiring manager0 > yesterday, and I *might* have a job by Monday. >   F You make my point perfectly. I said that _I_ wouldn't object to paying5 a reasonable sum, but that many might not be able to.    L > All due to islandco.com/hpaq.net (for the relatively cheap machine) and toL > DEC/COMPAQ/Montagar/DFWCUG for lobbying and creating the Hobbyist program.. > Please folks, don't screw with a good thing! >   G I've no intention of screwing with it. I could have perhaps used better 
 wording...   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:56:46 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")J Message-ID: <y66xa.215731$kYH.152579@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EC44575.E5B766E9@fsi.net...  > Island wrote:  > > E > > From what I have seen, Compaq should charge $250 for VMS Base/NAS  for a  > > 12-15 Unit machine. A > > Not a Hobbyist license - never really saw the point in that -  giving it away
 > > for free.  > ? > Well, not really "for free": you gotta spend money to get the  license F > (unless you're pirating your internet access and software), and once you ? > get it, you can't use the hobbyist license to make money. The  software? > is not readily downloadable via the 'net, the license expires  annuallyB > and must be renewed, and no source code is included. In reality, very> > few (if any) of the common "'free' software" criteria apply. > C > That said, there was a post here recently describing a way to use  the F > hobbyist license to develop software prior to going commercial, then@ > moving it to a commercially licensed machine for "production". > D > On the other hand, if it keeps the freeware folks porting stuff to VMS,C > then the community as a whole benefits, lost profit opportunities  aside. > D > > But if they restricted licenses to specific serial numnbered PWS	 or XP1000 ; > > DS10L etc, they would at least see some decent revenue.  > C > Eh, dunno 'bout that. Affordable is the way to go in my book. Ask  Bill@ > Gates - he knows, as do his bankers and the many charities who benefit  > from his "generosity". > " > > And it would keep users on VMS > C > Affordability and mainstream marketing would go much farther than 9 > complicated, difficult-to-administer licensing schemes.      And a good .edu policy too.   D If I were a big VMS shop, I'd call my local university and arrange a> meeting between the dean of CompSci and/or Electrical/ComputerE Engineering and the most senior HP person I could lay my hands on and F tell them both that I wanted HP to donate gear and VMS to that school,C and tell the dean that I'd hire either on a co-op or part-time/full C time basis any students they could ship my way who had hands-on VMS  experience.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:59:33 GMT % From: "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> ' Subject: Re: Advanced Server management 0 Message-ID: <996xa.931$LO3.656@news.cpqcorp.net>   To check  # $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands  $ pwversion    Have a PDC up and running ?   2 "Seghers Bruno" <tips@euronet.be> wrote in message. news:ba0i6m$120nk$1@sinclair.be.wanadoo.com... > Hi,  > I think it's 6.1 >  > Bruno  > 2 > "Safir" <axica_nopub@yahoo.com> wrote in message, > news:o9Lwa.863$oa2.495@news.cpqcorp.net... > > Hi,  > > Which  version of AS ? > > 6 > > "Seghers Bruno" <tips@euronet.be> wrote in message2 > > news:b9trvj$19sfl$1@sinclair.be.wanadoo.com...	 > > > Hi,  > > >  > > > I have a question :  > > > I > > > I install pathworks on a openVMS 7.2-2 system. When I try to change K > > > permissions (with a windows NT graphical tools) on a directory mapped  to > a 7 > > > share I create, I receive the following message :  > > > L > > > "Object picker cannot open because it cannot determine whether nodexyz > is > > > joined to a domain"  > > > 6 > > > I don't find any info in Pathworks documentation > > > 1 > > > Does anybody has a idea what is my problem.  > > > J > > > My advanced server is configured as a member of the domain. Wins and DNS  > > are 
 > > > enabled  > > >  > > > Thanks for your help > > >  > > > Seghers Bruno  > > >  > > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:11:53 GMT ( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?0 Message-ID: <Zc7xa.936$_N3.935@news.cpqcorp.net>  A Yes, registration may not be possible with Mozilla.  The program  H supports Netscape 4.0 (or later) and IE 4.0 (or later).  Javascript and A stylesheets must be enabled and your browser must accept cookies.      VAXman- wrote:] > In article <hMMwa.871$3O2.490@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:  > I >>works for me.  I can login to DSPP and download the docs with Mozilla,   >>read them with XPDF. >>H >>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.3)  >>Gecko/20030313 >>% >>XPDF.EXE from the Freeware 5, cd 2.  >  > - > Try to register for DSPP using Mozilla.  :P  >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >             7 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:20:57 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 0 Subject: RE: creating licenses for my own demos?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEFBHDAA.tom@kednos.com>    FWIW, works with Opera 6.05    >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Mark Schafer [mailto:mark.schafer@hp.com]# >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:12 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1 >Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?  >  > B >Yes, registration may not be possible with Mozilla.  The program I >supports Netscape 4.0 (or later) and IE 4.0 (or later).  Javascript and  B >stylesheets must be enabled and your browser must accept cookies. >  >  >VAXman- wrote: A >> In article <hMMwa.871$3O2.490@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer   ><mark.schafer@hp.com> writes: >>  J >>>works for me.  I can login to DSPP and download the docs with Mozilla,  >>>read them with XPDF.  >>> I >>>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.3)   >>>Gecko/20030313  >>> & >>>XPDF.EXE from the Freeware 5, cd 2. >>   >>  . >> Try to register for DSPP using Mozilla.  :P >>   >> -- : >> VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001      >VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >>            8 >>   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >>   >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 5/12/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 5/12/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 10:23:11 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?3 Message-ID: <r$i$161ARDHq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <Zc7xa.936$_N3.935@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes: C > Yes, registration may not be possible with Mozilla.  The program  J > supports Netscape 4.0 (or later) and IE 4.0 (or later).  Javascript and C > stylesheets must be enabled and your browser must accept cookies.   F There must be something else you could do to discourage participation, but I can't think of it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:16:59 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?0 Message-ID: <00A1FF2D.821FAB03@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <Zc7xa.936$_N3.935@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes: B >Yes, registration may not be possible with Mozilla.  The program I >supports Netscape 4.0 (or later) and IE 4.0 (or later).  Javascript and  B >stylesheets must be enabled and your browser must accept cookies.  I ...and "out of the box" Mozilla does not?  I just checked and as far as I H can tell, I have all of the above enabled.  (Where do I check for style- sheets?)  H It's amazing that I can do my on-line banking with NS 3.03b, order itemsH from myriad providers with NS 3.03b, bit for items on eBay with NS 3.03bH and follow my favorite band in the UK with NS 3.03b but I can't registerD for /DPSS using the hardware and software that is now a part of HP.   H Is it any wonder that there is so much "bad press" here in c.o.v regard-* ing the future of VMS under the HP regime.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:17:55 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: RE: creating licenses for my own demos?0 Message-ID: <00A1FF2D.A54AC7A9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEFBHDAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  >FWIW, works with Opera 6.05  - Where can I get Opera 6.05 for OpenVMS Alpha?    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:22:37 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: creating licenses for my own demos?0 Message-ID: <00A1FF2E.4A7D2605@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <r$i$161ARDHq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: \ >In article <Zc7xa.936$_N3.935@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes:D >> Yes, registration may not be possible with Mozilla.  The program K >> supports Netscape 4.0 (or later) and IE 4.0 (or later).  Javascript and  D >> stylesheets must be enabled and your browser must accept cookies. > G >There must be something else you could do to discourage participation,  >but I can't think of it.   G Riddle the pages with proprietary Micro$oft front page extensions comes 
 to mind...  H Giving up VMS and software altogether, and opening a brew-pub is looking3 more and more like a near future reality every day.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:51:33 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>1 Subject: Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor ) Message-ID: <3EC4A695.A1CB40D0@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote:  >   L > Could I bring this to a normal TV repair place ? Or must I spend countlessN > hours finding out who to call within HP to get an estimate for repairs whichJ > will probably cost more than buying a new unit ? I suspect a blown power > supply. Any ideas ?   F Probably. Monitors are just "tellys" which don't have a tuner but haveD varying synch rates. If the whole thing is failing to power on, it'sG likely to be "power supply" in general. If the green light came on, but A no picture, then you're probably delving into the HT supply, more  complicated.  P > Also, if I were to want colour, what would be the recommendations with regards# > to the card needed, and monitor ?   D Get the 8 plane graphics card, 256 (ish) colours, just fits into theE slot in the motherboard, but you may need some little plastic legs to  support the corners ofC the board. WS01X-GA is the SPX graphics card which works with later   3100's, the GPX card is VS40X-PA  > Try this link... http://64.77.10.171/digital_list2.cfm?Type=GR   > O > I prefer getting a large monitor  to have large windows versus a high wuality  > colour but smaller monitor.   G Synch on green are the magic words to look for in the specifications. I E recently picked up a iiyama visionmaster 17 inch in the UK for UKP 45 E (1999 model) which I've slung between my VAXstation and Alpha 1000. I % use the menu to select BNC and sub-D.   G Of course, if you don't get a colour graphics card, just fasten the B/W ? output to the green, and all should be OK, but green of course.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:34:38 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor ) Message-ID: <3EC4BE98.43E6A11C@istop.com>    Nic Clews wrote:H > Probably. Monitors are just "tellys" which don't have a tuner but haveF > varying synch rates. If the whole thing is failing to power on, it's* > likely to be "power supply" in general.   L Will call the local shop to see. However. considering that used monitors canK be had fairly cheap, I have to wonder if it is worth the cost of fixing the I b/w one. I did like it though. Easy on the eyes for programming (when you  don't really need colour).  E > the board. WS01X-GA is the SPX graphics card which works with later " > 3100's, the GPX card is VS40X-PA  J I have seen variations on the WS01X-XX where the XX is not "GA".  *must* I& absolutely get the "GA" for the 3100 ?  L Also, does that board support both the VRT19-DA and HA ? I think that teh HAK is a later model with variable frequency. Will the SPX card be compatible ?     @ > Try this link... http://64.77.10.171/digital_list2.cfm?Type=GR  6 Thanks. I am in canada, but this is still interesting.  I > Synch on green are the magic words to look for in the specifications. I   I > Of course, if you don't get a colour graphics card, just fasten the B/W A > output to the green, and all should be OK, but green of course.   H Or just spit the video onto 2 and have red and green connected to give a yellow/amber screen :-)     M Talk about bad luck: I put in one of the spare VT320s I had to replace my big I screen. It is so strange to return to true character cell where you can't J select text and paste it (for instance, after a DIR, to be able to type in= delete, and then paste the full file spec you want to delete.   
 ***POOF***  M Not my day. The VT320, after less than an hour of duty made a BIG **POOF*** , M complete with the visual effects as well. And it was more of a bang poof than N a whisper poof, with a flash of light coming out of the top grill, followed byM ample supply of smoke (pungent smelling, probably cancer causing, deadly etc. E My life may just have been shortened by a few years due to a VT320...   D So, I take another spare VT320, and this one doesn't explode, but itN constantly flashes the keyboard but nothing on screen. So I have to bring downJ the VT320 from my bedroom (which I seldom use anymore) and I hope this oneG will last it is my last functioning 320. I have 2 220s left after that.   M Amazing how quickly one gets used to working with X-windows and how clumsy it 7 becomes to return to character cell with only 24 lines.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:32:37 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>1 Subject: Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor ) Message-ID: <3EC4CC55.94A371AD@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote: G > > the board. WS01X-GA is the SPX graphics card which works with later $ > > 3100's, the GPX card is VS40X-PA > L > I have seen variations on the WS01X-XX where the XX is not "GA".  *must* I( > absolutely get the "GA" for the 3100 ?  C I don't know. You never know, the variant might mean they are a B/W 2 retro fit and have the little black legs you need.  N > Also, does that board support both the VRT19-DA and HA ? I think that teh HAM > is a later model with variable frequency. Will the SPX card be compatible ?   H These are an interesting breed of monitors, generally fixed frequency asG well. ISTR a switch on the back, which did nothing, though it looked as ( if it would switch from low to high scan   B > > Try this link... http://64.77.10.171/digital_list2.cfm?Type=GR > 8 > Thanks. I am in canada, but this is still interesting.  - They quote dollar prices, so they may ship...   K > > Synch on green are the magic words to look for in the specifications. I  > K > > Of course, if you don't get a colour graphics card, just fasten the B/W C > > output to the green, and all should be OK, but green of course.  > J > Or just spit the video onto 2 and have red and green connected to give a > yellow/amber screen :-)  > O > Talk about bad luck: I put in one of the spare VT320s I had to replace my big  > ... O > Not my day. The VT320, after less than an hour of duty made a BIG **POOF*** , O > complete with the visual effects as well. And it was more of a bang poof than P > a whisper poof, with a flash of light coming out of the top grill, followed byO > ample supply of smoke (pungent smelling, probably cancer causing, deadly etc. G > My life may just have been shortened by a few years due to a VT320...   G From your description, sounds like a capacitor has killed itself. Older F ones go after a few years. The pungent smell over the burning smell is the clue, not easily forgotten.   O > Amazing how quickly one gets used to working with X-windows and how clumsy it 9 > becomes to return to character cell with only 24 lines.   C We sometimes have quite tortuous routes to support systems, through H firewalls, and decnet to tcpip to "server windows" and we don't even gotD a VT emulation, just a basic glass teletype, not even command recall works properly :-(   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 03 15:31:19 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 1 Subject: Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor ) Message-ID: <3b2Ey9F1qaom@elias.decus.ch>   V In article <3EC4BE98.43E6A11C@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Nic Clews wrote: > O > Talk about bad luck: I put in one of the spare VT320s I had to replace my big K > screen. It is so strange to return to true character cell where you can't L > select text and paste it (for instance, after a DIR, to be able to type in? > delete, and then paste the full file spec you want to delete.  >    <snip>  F If you do try getting another VT, go for a VT520. Those can copy/paste
 filenames.  O > Amazing how quickly one gets used to working with X-windows and how clumsy it 9 > becomes to return to character cell with only 24 lines.   C Also get ready with CTRL/S when doing $ TCPIP HELP SHOW SERVICE :-(  It's easier to dump it to file.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2003 14:02:08 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1 Subject: Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor 5 Message-ID: <ba2r10$ojprn$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   I In article <h26xa.215702$kYH.33770@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, & 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % > news:3EC467DF.5C760779@istop.com... A >> Just got a power spike, long enough to force VCR into flashing 
 > 12:00. Long G >> enough to force my all mighty Microvax II's whose uptime had finally  > gotten >> respectable to reboot.  >>G >> But it seems to have killed my 19" monitor ( VR262 , 19" black/white 	 > for the  >> 3100 workstation ).C >> After changin the fuse, the monitor still refuses to turn on (no 
 > green light  >> in the front).  >>C >> Could I bring this to a normal TV repair place ? Or must I spend  > countless A >> hours finding out who to call within HP to get an estimate for  > repairs which E >> will probably cost more than buying a new unit ? I suspect a blown  > power  >> supply. Any ideas ? >>D >> Also, if I were to want colour, what would be the recommendations > with regards$ >> to the card needed, and monitor ? >>C >> I prefer getting a large monitor  to have large windows versus a  > high wuality >> colour but smaller monitor. >  > C > Also a good idea to get a small UPS or at the very least a decent H > power bar with high joule spike ratings. I bought a Curtis Power-7 barA > (SP700-7TN) at a clearance store yesterday for $14. It has 1240 F > joule/65,000 amp  rating and also does surge suppression on Ethernet > (10/100) and POTS lines.   A Every UPS we have bought here has specifically said "Don't plug a @ monitor or a laser printer into this UPS."  A surge suppresor is probably a good idea, though.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:46:02 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor J Message-ID: <uY5xa.215668$kYH.187306@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EC467DF.5C760779@istop.com... @ > Just got a power spike, long enough to force VCR into flashing 12:00. Long F > enough to force my all mighty Microvax II's whose uptime had finally gotten > respectable to reboot. > F > But it seems to have killed my 19" monitor ( VR262 , 19" black/white for the  > 3100 workstation ). B > After changin the fuse, the monitor still refuses to turn on (no green light  > in the front). > B > Could I bring this to a normal TV repair place ? Or must I spend	 countless @ > hours finding out who to call within HP to get an estimate for
 repairs which D > will probably cost more than buying a new unit ? I suspect a blown power  > supply. Any ideas ?  > C > Also, if I were to want colour, what would be the recommendations  with regards# > to the card needed, and monitor ?  > B > I prefer getting a large monitor  to have large windows versus a high wuality > colour but smaller monitor.   8 There's a thread I started here about 2 weeks ago called, "Synch-on-Green LCD monitor for Vaxstation".  B Check it out for LCD panels that support synch-on-green. There are< many models that are available from different manufacturers.  F And the bonus is that you'll be able to use the LCD panel with a PC ifC you need to. And if you get one with dual inputs - regular Sub-D 15 E pin and DVI you'll be able to use it with digital output video cards.   C Your back will appreciate that you decided to get a lightweight LCD + panel when it's time to move the equipment.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:52:13 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor I Message-ID: <h26xa.215702$kYH.33770@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EC467DF.5C760779@istop.com... @ > Just got a power spike, long enough to force VCR into flashing 12:00. Long F > enough to force my all mighty Microvax II's whose uptime had finally gotten > respectable to reboot. > F > But it seems to have killed my 19" monitor ( VR262 , 19" black/white for the  > 3100 workstation ). B > After changin the fuse, the monitor still refuses to turn on (no green light  > in the front). > B > Could I bring this to a normal TV repair place ? Or must I spend	 countless @ > hours finding out who to call within HP to get an estimate for
 repairs which D > will probably cost more than buying a new unit ? I suspect a blown power  > supply. Any ideas ?  > C > Also, if I were to want colour, what would be the recommendations  with regards# > to the card needed, and monitor ?  > B > I prefer getting a large monitor  to have large windows versus a high wuality > colour but smaller monitor.     A Also a good idea to get a small UPS or at the very least a decent F power bar with high joule spike ratings. I bought a Curtis Power-7 bar? (SP700-7TN) at a clearance store yesterday for $14. It has 1240 D joule/65,000 amp  rating and also does surge suppression on Ethernet (10/100) and POTS lines.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:51:21 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Damned power spike. Need new monitor J Message-ID: <JV6xa.216028$kYH.184138@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message / news:ba2r10$ojprn$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...a > In article> <h26xa.215702$kYH.33770@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:n > >"; > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagee' > > news:3EC467DF.5C760779@istop.com... C > >> Just got a power spike, long enough to force VCR into flashinga > > 12:00. LongaA > >> enough to force my all mighty Microvax II's whose uptime hadd finallye
 > > gotten > >> respectable to reboot.e > >>= > >> But it seems to have killed my 19" monitor ( VR262 , 19"o black/whitee > > for thec > >> 3100 workstation ).E > >> After changin the fuse, the monitor still refuses to turn on (non > > green lighta > >> in the front).d > >>E > >> Could I bring this to a normal TV repair place ? Or must I spende
 > > countlesstC > >> hours finding out who to call within HP to get an estimate for  > > repairs whicheA > >> will probably cost more than buying a new unit ? I suspect a  blownb	 > > power  > >> supply. Any ideas ? > >>F > >> Also, if I were to want colour, what would be the recommendations > > with regards& > >> to the card needed, and monitor ? > >>E > >> I prefer getting a large monitor  to have large windows versus am > > high wuality  > >> colour but smaller monitor. > >r > >aE > > Also a good idea to get a small UPS or at the very least a decentsF > > power bar with high joule spike ratings. I bought a Curtis Power-7 bar C > > (SP700-7TN) at a clearance store yesterday for $14. It has 1240V? > > joule/65,000 amp  rating and also does surge suppression onc Ethernet > > (10/100) and POTS lines. >fC > Every UPS we have bought here has specifically said "Don't plug asB > monitor or a laser printer into this UPS."  A surge suppresor is > probably a good idea, though.m    B That warning is due to the fact that people typically purchase theE smallest/marginal UPS capacity they can for their computer system boxtE only, and then they go and plug a 200W power-sucking 21" monitor intolC it. And people then wonder why their on-battery time is measured inmE tens of seconds rather than tens of minutes. Laser printers consume a F startup load of several times their steady-state load and that can putA an inordinate amount of overload condition on the UPS if it isn'teD sized properly. If you size the UPS correctly for the load, there is no real problemp  C We use a UPS on every system we have, ranging from small 350w units F that my laptops get plugged into (these days UPS models this small areC almost as cheap as good quality power bars, and offer similar surge E protection),  up to greater than 7,000 watt units for the servers and F disks. And we have a 200A backup generator powered by natural gas withE an automatic cutover transfer switch to supply power if the a/c lineso! go down for more than 30 seconds.r  E I even use a small 350w UPS to plug my cellphone charger into at homeyF so I'm always assured of having a fully charged cell phone even if theF power dies for a lengthy period of time. Plus the separate car adapterB for the cell phone, plus another car-mounted backup cellphone on a: separate network. The full 'belt and suspenders' approach.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:09:59 +0300 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>2 Subject: Re: DEC TCP/IP Services 5.3 for Hobbyist?* Message-ID: <3EC49CD7.6060108@tzora.co.il>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > "Andreas W. Wylach" wrote: >  >>Hello everybody, >>E >>I am just in the process to build up my private VMS environment undv8 >>was asking myself, why the Hobbyist CD just got TCP/IP >>Version 5.1 (OpenVMS VAX).N >>Does anybody know, when the 5.3 Version is available for the Hobbyist peops?L >>Or is there probably a upgrade download somewhere to get the newest TCP/IP
 >>Version? >  > J > hp remains rather set against downloadables. Guess LMF hacks have become > too well known.  > I > I posted some time ago about a bunch of DCL that I cooked up to build aoI > hobbyists' LP distro. from the standard-issue SPL. Any interest? E-mailoJ > me privately. How to demung the reply-to should be obvious. If you don'tF > get a reply, try using dls.net instead of fsi.net. Somewhere betweenG > forwarding and spam filtering, I think I may be losing some messages.. > H Got bounced from both versions of your email address, so NG readers will, please excuse my trying to contact you here.  : could you please  post the DCL OR post or email a pointer?   Thanks,-   Mike -- -  & New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm@ Other useful links at http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/E ---------------------------------------------------------------------fE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.:? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*/E Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337 C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"gE ---------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:47:15 +0200c2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)2 Subject: Re: DEC TCP/IP Services 5.3 for Hobbyist?; Message-ID: <3ec50803.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   + Mike Rechtman (rechtman@tzora.co.il) wrote:n > David J. Dachtera wrote:K > > I posted some time ago about a bunch of DCL that I cooked up to build as< > > hobbyists' LP distro. from the standard-issue SPL. [...] > J > Got bounced from both versions of your email address, so NG readers will. > please excuse my trying to contact you here.  ; > could you please post the DCL OR post or email a pointer?,  ' Message-ID: <3E580453.2512EC65@fsi.net>e% Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:14:27 -0600u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>:& Subject: OpenVMS Hobbyist SPL - Update   Folks,  F I've been able to develop some DCL procedures that use the freeware LDH software to build CD images of the layered products licensed through the OpenVMS Hobbyist program.o   The kit can be found at:0 http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/hbyspl010.zip  2 Be sure to see the README.TXT file in the archive.  5 You'll find the pre-requisite LD software there also:m, http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/ld062.zip  > ...or there's a newer version at the OpenVMS Freeware CD site:A http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/ld063/ld063.zip    P.S.: E I have not yet heard back from OpenVMS Management about producing and , distributing a Hobbyist's SPL. Stay tuned...   [End Quote]i  $ Works perfectly. Many thanks, David.   cu,d   Martin --  A                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmeri. Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/s5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.der   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:46:56 +0100r- From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> Y Subject: RE: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alp E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CAE9D@tahiti.tinuk.com>u  E The problem I have is getting the data OFF the tape on the Tru64 box..F I've tried various tools for that, including VMSTAR and VMSBACKUP, andF can't find anything that'll handle the large files - I have about 40GBD of data to get across. The files are DSM volume sets and After-Image journal files.  C I'm considering at the moment trying to get the data on the tape asoE ANSI, and using dd to get the data off the other end, but have yet tosD get around to testing this method. Currently putting the data on theE DS10 and using FTP locally looks like the way I'll have to go, but ofmH course I'm then relying on FTP to be able to handle the file size, which again I need to test...h   Cheers   Steve S    -----Original Message-----9 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]=20w Sent: 16 May 2003 04:01t To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.CompF Subject: Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting dataE off an OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft Windows] OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft , Windows] OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft Windows]     Steve Spires wrote:n >=20J > Just wondering if Kermit might be the answer to my problem of copying=20E > large files [6GB and larger] from VMS toTru64, which seems to be=20oI > defeating all the other things I've tried. Does anyone know if there=20bE > is any file size limit? Is Kermit truly a 64-bit application? Of=20iH > course I have yet to overcome the limitation of only having a 2MB pipe  J > between the systems [geographically distant] which everything else is=20I > using as well, but I might be able to overcome that by using a spare=20o- > DS10 and physically moving the data closer.S  ! Any chance for common tape media?u  E Even TK87 was (I think) 10GB native, TK88 20GB native. Depending uponr the file format, that is.h   --=20e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  H Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:44:13 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>Y Subject: Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alps5 Message-ID: <ba2co4$nv7n0$2@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>t  / > "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wroteo  G > The problem I have is getting the data OFF the tape on the Tru64 box.aH > I've tried various tools for that, including VMSTAR and VMSBACKUP, andH > can't find anything that'll handle the large files - I have about 40GBF > of data to get across. The files are DSM volume sets and After-Image > journal files.  E > I'm considering at the moment trying to get the data on the tape ascG > ANSI, and using dd to get the data off the other end, but have yet toaF > get around to testing this method. Currently putting the data on theG > DS10 and using FTP locally looks like the way I'll have to go, but ofuJ > course I'm then relying on FTP to be able to handle the file size, which > again I need to test...o  J I have used the TCPIPservices FTP client to copy 8Gb dumpfiles from a Unix! gateway node without any problem.h     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.nete http://www.travell.uk.net/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:24:42 +0200d, From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>Y Subject: Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpe, Message-ID: <79e2ab.qaa.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Steve Spires wrote:a > G > The problem I have is getting the data OFF the tape on the Tru64 box. H > I've tried various tools for that, including VMSTAR and VMSBACKUP, andH > can't find anything that'll handle the large files - I have about 40GBF > of data to get across. The files are DSM volume sets and After-Image > journal files.  H Isn't it possible to split these files to smaller parts? I remember thatB I once wrote a small FORTRAN program to do this (because of brokenE transmits of much smaller files over a 9600 baud modem line). Puttingu5 the files together with dd or cat should be no issue.r  A Maybe there is a VMS version of split or something similar on the F freeware cd. Otherwise I could look for this old FORTRAN code and postG or mail it, if you are interested. I don't know, however, if this could < handle files > 2GB or 4GB, but you might change it yourself.   Albrecht Schloerm   ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2003 10:53 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) Y Subject: Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpe- Message-ID: <16MAY200310535217@gerg.tamu.edu>n  f <nCWwa.209586$kYH.11302@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...9 }"Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wrote in messager@ }news:91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA6854546@tahiti.tinuk.com...F }Just wondering if Kermit might be the answer to my problem of copyingA }large files [6GB and larger] from VMS toTru64, which seems to beoE }defeating all the other things I've tried. Does anyone know if thereb }is G }any file size limit? Is Kermit truly a 64-bit application? Of course I F }have yet to overcome the limitation of only having a 2MB pipe betweenG }the systems [geographically distant] which everything else is using asuE }well, but I might be able to overcome that by using a spare DS10 and_# }physically moving the data closer.s }  } D }Attach a USB 2.0/Firewire drive (NTFS format on the USB drive filesF }system) to a PC which is local to the VMS box and copy using whateverE }mechanism at your disposal (ftp, Pathworks, etc). Then bring/courier F }the USB drive to a PC local to the Tru64 box and reverse the process.  G If you are going to send a physical object with the data, save yourself H the trouble of using 2 PCs and just burn it on a CD-R on the VMS system,- send the CD, and read it on the Tru64 system.1   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:39:27 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alp J Message-ID: <3v8xa.216401$kYH.133696@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:16MAY200310535217@gerg.tamu.edu..."F > <nCWwa.209586$kYH.11302@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John! Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...H; > }"Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wrote in message-B > }news:91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA6854546@tahiti.tinuk.com...@ > }Just wondering if Kermit might be the answer to my problem of copyingbC > }large files [6GB and larger] from VMS toTru64, which seems to beaA > }defeating all the other things I've tried. Does anyone know ifs there0 > }ist@ > }any file size limit? Is Kermit truly a 64-bit application? Of course I@ > }have yet to overcome the limitation of only having a 2MB pipe betweenlF > }the systems [geographically distant] which everything else is using asC > }well, but I might be able to overcome that by using a spare DS10t andc% > }physically moving the data closer.F > }> > }>F > }Attach a USB 2.0/Firewire drive (NTFS format on the USB drive files? > }system) to a PC which is local to the VMS box and copy using. whatever9 > }mechanism at your disposal (ftp, Pathworks, etc). Then>
 bring/courier-? > }the USB drive to a PC local to the Tru64 box and reverse theI process. >>@ > If you are going to send a physical object with the data, save yourselfB > the trouble of using 2 PCs and just burn it on a CD-R on the VMS system,r/ > send the CD, and read it on the Tru64 system..    2 He has 40Gb of data to move. That's a lot of CD's.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 13:49:59 -0400& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)Y Subject: Re: Does Kermit have a data size limit? [was RE: getting data off an OpenVMS Alp-1 Message-ID: <ba38c7$9re$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>i  E In article <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA6854546@tahiti.tinuk.com>,r, Steve Spires <Steve.Spires@torex.com> wrote:G : Just wondering if Kermit might be the answer to my problem of copying,B : large files [6GB and larger] from VMS toTru64, which seems to beI : defeating all the other things I've tried. Does anyone know if there is < : any file size limit? Is Kermit truly a 64-bit application? :tG It's whatever the compiler and APIs let it be.  C-Kermit built on Alphah9 with DEC C reports (when you tell it to "show features"):a  ?   sizeofs: int=4 long=4 short=2 char=1 char*=4 float=4 double=8   , Why is "long" 4 bytes in DEC C on the Alpha?  K Anyway, this does not necessarily mean it can't deal with large files, onlyFG some cosmetic stuff might be messed up -- statististics, "percent done"oE displays, etc.  As far as I know, the RMS APIs that C-Kermit uses forn0 file transfer should handle files of any length.   - Franke   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:44:09 +0100s0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>F Subject: Re: fetch_http problem - solved - where's the 'real' source ?4 Message-ID: <ba28cq$hp6$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Chris Sharman wrote: > E >>My original .exe provides (& documents) a -y switch, which puts therF >>result into dcl symbol http_result - very useful for dcl procedures. >>< >>None of the sources I can find on Google have this switch. >  > N > The one that comes with the OSU web server was authored by Davic Jones weith1 > first documented revision in 1995. It supports:c > 	-b for binary modeu > 	-s for simplerequestr > 	-c to count records  " I don't have one that supports -c.G I do have OSU server, & www_root:[base_code]fetch_http.c has -b, -s, & i& (undocumented) -m (If-Modified-Since). Here's its history:-   * Author:	David Jones3G   * Revised:     13-JAN-1995 GJC@VILLAGE.COM. Add file output argument. @   * Revised:	 9-MAR-1995 Fixed bug in non-binary output to file.J   * Revised:	25-MAY-1996 Deal properly with missing finally slash on host.'   * Revsied:	26-AUG-1996 More comments.,C   * Revised:	6-AUG-1999  Add host: header and eliminate extra line.a=   * Revised:	22-JAN-2000 Add -m for if-modified-since header. <   * Revised:	28-JAN-2000 Include port number in host header.  G It appears to be a fairly distant cousin to the .exe I have, with this e additional usage info:H       -y              If specified, put first 12 characters of response  into symbol F                         http_result.  Fetch_http specific error codes,B                         some of which only occur on a timeout are:2                           000  name server failure1                           001  failure to connecto2                           002  failed send request3                           003  failed read response0H                          If a 302 response is found, Location goes into 
 HTTP_REDIRECTy@       -tN             Timeout after N seconds.  Default is N=100  7 I found a link of David Mathog's - he added -y (and -t)t I'll put it all together.pG Then I suppose I'd really like to make it public (a roll-up of all the  - good stuff everyone's put in over the years).eH I can't really claim ownership, which might make it difficult to put to  freeware ...   Chrisn   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 07:11:54 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)aY Subject: folks I just sent this out to a few of my distribution lists thought  you might  = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305160611.4e298b4e@posting.google.com>    -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan 1# Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:07 AM  To: Skonetski, Susan* Subject: Resetting error count of a device    E Folks I have checked and this information can go public.  This shouldi make a few folks weekend.i  
 Warm Regards,m sueh     -----Original Message----- From: 	Peleg, Guy  p% Sent:	Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:29 AMa To:	Skonetski, Susan* Subject:	Resetting error count of a device   Hi Sue,h  F You might want to forward the attached to the ambassadors, seeing this long time requestedn) feature implemented will make them happy.r   Guyb  h ********************************************************************************************************E In V7.3-2 we added the ability to reset the error count and operation  count of a device.? Once the count is reset, a message is sent to the errorlog. Theo" message includes the time of reset+ and the previous error count of the device.o: SHOW DEVICE/FULL also reflects that error count was reset.   Here is a small example :    $ sh err, Device                           Error Count8 PEA0:                                    3               $ set dev/reset=error pea0 $ sh eru( %SHOW-S-NOERRORS, no device errors found $ sh dev pea0/full  E Device PEA0:, device type NI_SCA, is online, shareable, error logginga is     enabled.  F     Error count                    0    Operations completed                  0F     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]=     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot             t S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,WlF     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                   0F     Current preferred CPU Id       0    Fastpath                              1  A     Device error count was last reset on: 14-MAY-2003 10:20:53.87e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:33:26 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGY Subject: Re: folks I just sent this out to a few of my distribution lists thought  you mi 0 Message-ID: <00A1FF1F.0C13E3F0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <857e9e41.0305160611.4e298b4e@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:r >-----Original Message-----o >From: Skonetski, Susan $ >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:07 AM >To: Skonetski, Susan/+ >Subject: Resetting error count of a device  >  >gF >Folks I have checked and this information can go public.  This should >make a few folks weekend. >w >Warm Regards, >sue    K Thanks Sue... and at least here it is readable instead of the Mickey$chlocke< MIMEd gobbledegook which appears daily via the VMS-SIG list.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs            l5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:26:12 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>, Subject: From Systems and Options Catalogue:) Message-ID: <3EC48472.5BF0E1BD@istop.com>   . Systems and option catalogue: April-June 1991: Page : Workstations 3.3/  % (About Vaxstations 3100 30,38,40,48):  #OD Each VAXstation 3100 system contains a minimum of 8Mbytes of memory,M expandable to 32 Mbytes and are available with a choice of operating systems:c VMS, Ultrix, VAXELN, or MS-DOS.0 #   
 Next page:   #iM DECwindows is a high-performance, network-transparent windowing system. It is D a superset of the industry-standard X Window System that Digital hasL implemented for the ULTRIX, VMS and MS-DOS operating systems, and the VAXELN operating environment. #2    J ***WOW*** Did anyone know that Digital has ported MS-DOS to VAX ??????????N That is how that text makes it look. In all fairness, much further down , they: mention an optional MS-DOS software co-processor (SoftPC).    K Were theye ever some X-server softwrae for MS-DOS ?????  Imagine what wouldyL have happened if X had been available on MS-DOS to turn MS-DOS into GUI dumbH terminals. I wonder how different the whole industry would be today. TheM central server would have played a big role and Digital would have been king, R with Microsoft relegated to writing software for other people's operating systems.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 06:48:46 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)0 Subject: Re: From Systems and Options Catalogue:= Message-ID: <7500353b.0305160548.7b797934@posting.google.com>   ; > Were theye ever some X-server softwrae for MS-DOS ?????  a  C Of course. I even used it, but it didnt really cut the cake becausee@ networks were slow at that time and it was wery expensive. Can't  remember the manufacturers thou.   Mist   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 01:44:55 -0700) From: jbrankin@ntlworld.com (Jim Brankin)e3 Subject: Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?e= Message-ID: <863f19d6.0305160044.18e6bc03@posting.google.com>n  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<ASprxws+q+od@eisner.encompasserve.org>...   > J >    If you're looking at the transaction count from "show device", you'reH >    barking up the wrong tree.  That's just of count of all the reasons1 >    not to dismount the disk (open files, ect.).R  I Did the definition of transaction count change at V7.3? A disk with only wF three or four files open now often has a transaction count of several  hundred.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:59:33 -0500n1 From: "Lonnie Blevins" <lblevins@regenstrief.org> 3 Subject: Re: HIGH Transaction Count -  Bad or Good?r0 Message-ID: <ba2ucq$9aq$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu>  . "SMSnider" <ssnider@lwcc.com> wrote in message7 news:450eb328.0305151042.3a242e98@posting.google.com...b? > I have a high transaction count on one of my disks.  How do IeE > determine if it is too high? Is there a magic formula for computingaG > the proper Trans Count for a disk (Size of disk and speed of disk andi > type of RAID, etc).y >hD > I've looked all over manuals but can't find a good "rule of thumb"  J Try MONITOR DISK/ITEM=QUE.  This will show you how many I/O operations areL "waiting" for other disk I/O operations to complete.  If this number is veryL small (some will argue about the exact value, but queue lengths consistentlyJ greater than 1.0 are bad), then I would not worry about the I/O load.  TheJ disk is supplying data to the operating system as fast as it is asking for it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:11:00 GMTh& From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>, Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro0 Message-ID: <CFN377574165613542@news.cup.hp.com>  O On Thu, 15 May 2003 21:28:48 -0500 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> o wrote:  - > VMS is VMS. There is no "hobbyist version".p   OK, that's fine.   > I >> > I have never had a hobbyist kit; I've always been lucky enough to bemL >> > able to borrow a "standard distro" and install the stuff I need.  (ThisA >> > is perfectly legal under the terms of the hobbyist license.)- >> -J >> Yep, this is perfect. I don't have problems with access to any kind of  OpenVMSe8 >> install CDs, so if this is OK with hobbyist license.. > " > It is. You should be good to go. >   ( That's the reason why I'm asking here...   J.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 10:02:08 -0700) From: daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson)3, Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro= Message-ID: <de4cfd03.0305160902.10c97f87@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3EC44EEF.B042AB8D@fsi.net>... > Woland wrote:e
 > > [snip]N > > Could anybody tell me how to become a DECUS member in foreign chapter (I'm > > from Czech rep.) ? > G > I believe the US Chapter known as Encompass-US accepts non-US membersoI > for purposes of the hobbyist license. Didn't check into that, though...  >  > http://www.encompassus.com/n >   C Yes, that is correct, Encommpass-US accepts non-US citizens, and if F the only reason is to get a hobbyist license the Associate option is a good alternative.c  / http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.htmlo   -- Daniel GustafssonoD http://developer.mimer.se - DBMS with optimistic concurrency control   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:52:40 +0100SO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e; Subject: Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far? 0 Message-ID: <ba31ga$546$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: >  > Baby Peanut wrote: > ) >> http://www.chipzilla.org/?article=9467  >> >> >>   >>+ > Presuming this is even remotely accurate:  > K > " The figures are 760 in 2001 and 3700 in 2002. There are no figures for   > 2003 yet." > D > Looks like Intel is getting a good bang for the billions of bucks G > spent...  Oh ya, not that Alpha did this crappy, but wasn't this the cJ > excuse for killing Alpha?  Too little volume for the 'billions' spent?  G > Seems like we're watching daytime soaps, different channels but same t
 > story... >   = IDC are predicting that 25000 Itanium systems will be sold in / 2003. Some people think that this is optimistict  : Currently the average number of CPU's in an Itanium box is  apparently slightly less than 2.  = So based on IDC optimistic estimates Intel can expect to selly8 50K Itaniums. At a maximum of 4K a CPU they could expect7 to get 20,000,000 dollars in itanium revenue this year.o  < Sun shipped 275,000 SPARC systems with an average of 5 CPU's8 per system in 2002, don't know what we will do this year9 but it does give you a usefull perspective on where IA-64r8 will be in the 64bit processor market by the end of this9 year if our volumes remain the same. ~4% of Suns volumes.t   Regardso Andrew Harrisonp   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 01:55:55 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)  Subject: How small can VMS get ?= Message-ID: <7500353b.0305160055.293302c6@posting.google.com>g   Hi!t  D I read one post that told the trainer in HP telling VMS could becomeD 'layered' product but since the subject was of totally other thing I9 thought its better to create a new thread of the sobject.t  C There was a strong opinion that this is not the same as OpenVMS and F that is true. However, its a matter of what people envision as VMS. As- an Operating System or as a set of services ?w  A Does anyone remember how HP merged MPE ? In the beginning MPE waspD ported to PA-RISC. In every new release these came closer and in theB end it became an emulator service running on top of HP-UX, finallyE dying. What would prevent of HP redoing this with VMS when both HP-UX1) and VMS will be ran on same hw platform ?h  0 Let us analyze neutrally this possibility a bit.  A The main drawback of emulation is its speed. The lowest level youo% emulate, the slower is the emulation.m  D The lowest level is emulation of the processor architecture. Example@ of this in DEC was FX!32 Emulation that was later expaneded withC profiler instructing compiling the least performing parts to native ? code on the fly. While techncially sound, the performance neverh> exceeded the native performance and it never became a success.: Eventually this windows port was killed and FX!32 with it.  D A similar, but simpler approach is taken in Charon-VAX that providesD the emulation of only hardware. VMS software is running on emulationA using real OpenVMS on top of it. This method is lighter than purepD processor level, but still very slow. The upside of this is that theB new pc's are faster than old VAXes so this does not really matter.  ? The lightest simulation would be to port VMS API to HP-UX, e.g. F provide a set of libraries for every compiler they use now for mappingC the calls from VMS calls to Unix calls because in most cases peoplei@ care only about their applications being supported, not of theirE operating systems. In addition to this, they would need to create VMSr emulation shell for DCL.  B Emulating VMS on Alpha was not reasonable on time the decision wasC made because VMS user base was strong enough to sustain the portingo; expenses, even thought the Alpha platform running Tru64 farsE outpefrorms the same platform running OpenVMS on SMP with +5000 userst) (disc io and ip communication suffocate).R  B Now both VMS and HP-UX and Linux will be on same platform. Looking# back to MPE this may be the future.n  D Naturally this could have interesting effects to performance becauseD mapping of API's is seldom 1:1. Otoh, if the performance of platformD running the emulation is good enough like in the case of Charon-Vax,+ then only very few might care about that...    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 07:50:22 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e$ Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?3 Message-ID: <+KlmiNQR1JJB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <7500353b.0305160055.293302c6@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:C > The main drawback of emulation is its speed. The lowest level youn' > emulate, the slower is the emulation.h > > > The lowest level is emulation of the processor architecture.  @    Nice thoughts, but the OS architecure was completely skipped.  K    VMS has (and has always had) a complex preemptable multithreaded kernel oI    which is capabale of both timesharing and realtime operations.  HP-UX sJ    has a BSD kernel which was designed for and although hacked up somewhatH    for multithreadedness, is still only good for timesharing operations.  H    The interrupt to task latency of VMS may be worse than that of a pureG    realtime os like VxWorks, but you can't get that low on HP-UX.  LikeBA    pure realtime OS, VMS has a very preditable response, which noj    traditional UNIX can do.e  G    You can add a timesharing option on top of a lot of realtime OS, butsB    you'll never emulate the realtime capabilities of VMS on top of	    HP-UX..   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:14:22 -0700.# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: RE: How small can VMS get ?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEEMHDAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message-----eC >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]o# >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 5:50 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% >Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?t >c >g> >In article <7500353b.0305160055.293302c6@posting.google.com>,1 >mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:bD >> The main drawback of emulation is its speed. The lowest level you( >> emulate, the slower is the emulation. >>? >> The lowest level is emulation of the processor architecture.y >sA >   Nice thoughts, but the OS architecure was completely skipped.  >sK >   VMS has (and has always had) a complex preemptable multithreaded kerneltI >   which is capabale of both timesharing and realtime operations.  HP-UX?K >   has a BSD kernel which was designed for and although hacked up somewhatmI >   for multithreadedness, is still only good for timesharing operations.a   Was it not based on OSF?   >aI >   The interrupt to task latency of VMS may be worse than that of a purebH >   realtime os like VxWorks, but you can't get that low on HP-UX.  LikeB >   pure realtime OS, VMS has a very preditable response, which no >   traditional UNIX can do. > H >   You can add a timesharing option on top of a lot of realtime OS, butC >   you'll never emulate the realtime capabilities of VMS on top ofU
 >   HP-UX. >u >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).aA >Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 5/12/2003s >e ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 5/12/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:41:01 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t$ Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?J Message-ID: <NT5xa.215633$kYH.153299@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEEMHDAA.tom@kednos.com...m >a >3 > >-----Original Message----- E > >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]g% > >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 5:50 AMa > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com' > >Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?v > >n > >i@ > >In article <7500353b.0305160055.293302c6@posting.google.com>,3 > >mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:wF > >> The main drawback of emulation is its speed. The lowest level you* > >> emulate, the slower is the emulation. > >>A > >> The lowest level is emulation of the processor architecture.e > > C > >   Nice thoughts, but the OS architecure was completely skipped.r > >tF > >   VMS has (and has always had) a complex preemptable multithreaded kernelD > >   which is capabale of both timesharing and realtime operations. HP-UX-D > >   has a BSD kernel which was designed for and although hacked up somewhat? > >   for multithreadedness, is still only good for timesharing  operations.3 >9 > Was it not based on OSF?    F IIRC, Tru64 was the only OSF-based major commercial unix released by a
 major vendor.j   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:10:29 -0400 (EDT)l+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>s$ Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?H Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.53L-031.0305161108110.2180@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>  K hpux and aix drew some bits from OSF but are both basically sysV derivants.?A OSF is based on Mach, which can have RT capabilities, but anybodyh? who has actually seen RTmach knows what a pig it is. DEC reallyo: did work wonders making a really decent os on top of mach.$ hpux is certainly _not_ BSD derived.   Isilduri    & On Fri, 16 May 2003, John Smith wrote: > HP-UXeF > > >   has a BSD kernel which was designed for and although hacked up
 > somewhatA > > >   for multithreadedness, is still only good for timesharingk
 > operations.g > >  > > Was it not based on OSF? >b > H > IIRC, Tru64 was the only OSF-based major commercial unix released by a > major vendor.h >.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:26:02 -0700 = From: "Lee Courtney" <lcourtney@-REMOVETHISFILTER-mvista.com>e$ Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?/ Message-ID: <vca4eprp7jk65a@corp.supernews.com>o  C > Does anyone remember how HP merged MPE ? In the beginning MPE was-F > ported to PA-RISC. In every new release these came closer and in theD > end it became an emulator service running on top of HP-UX, finally > dying.  
 Incorrect.  H MPE has never been 'merged' with HP-UX. MPE does not run on top of HP-UXK (and never will be given the EOL status of MPE). Your confusion may be that-E MPE provides emulation for some 16-bit HP3000 stack architecture code-J running in what is called Compatibility Mode(CM), verses the 32-bit NativeI Mode(NM). When MPE was first introduced there was a significant amount offK code running in CM, and in subsequent releases more and more code was moved  to Native Mode.c   Lee Courtney MPE Lab 1982-86i  ; "mist dragon" <mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in messageo7 news:7500353b.0305160055.293302c6@posting.google.com...t > Hi!m >eF > I read one post that told the trainer in HP telling VMS could becomeF > 'layered' product but since the subject was of totally other thing I; > thought its better to create a new thread of the sobject.l >pE > There was a strong opinion that this is not the same as OpenVMS and H > that is true. However, its a matter of what people envision as VMS. As/ > an Operating System or as a set of services ?  >'C > Does anyone remember how HP merged MPE ? In the beginning MPE was F > ported to PA-RISC. In every new release these came closer and in theD > end it became an emulator service running on top of HP-UX, finallyG > dying. What would prevent of HP redoing this with VMS when both HP-UXe+ > and VMS will be ran on same hw platform ?s > 2 > Let us analyze neutrally this possibility a bit. >eC > The main drawback of emulation is its speed. The lowest level your' > emulate, the slower is the emulation./ >eF > The lowest level is emulation of the processor architecture. ExampleB > of this in DEC was FX!32 Emulation that was later expaneded withE > profiler instructing compiling the least performing parts to nativeaA > code on the fly. While techncially sound, the performance neverd@ > exceeded the native performance and it never became a success.< > Eventually this windows port was killed and FX!32 with it. >eF > A similar, but simpler approach is taken in Charon-VAX that providesF > the emulation of only hardware. VMS software is running on emulationC > using real OpenVMS on top of it. This method is lighter than pureeF > processor level, but still very slow. The upside of this is that theD > new pc's are faster than old VAXes so this does not really matter. > A > The lightest simulation would be to port VMS API to HP-UX, e.g.xH > provide a set of libraries for every compiler they use now for mappingE > the calls from VMS calls to Unix calls because in most cases peopleBB > care only about their applications being supported, not of theirG > operating systems. In addition to this, they would need to create VMSa > emulation shell for DCL. >nD > Emulating VMS on Alpha was not reasonable on time the decision wasE > made because VMS user base was strong enough to sustain the portingg= > expenses, even thought the Alpha platform running Tru64 fareG > outpefrorms the same platform running OpenVMS on SMP with +5000 users + > (disc io and ip communication suffocate).- >OD > Now both VMS and HP-UX and Linux will be on same platform. Looking% > back to MPE this may be the future.o >nF > Naturally this could have interesting effects to performance becauseF > mapping of API's is seldom 1:1. Otoh, if the performance of platformF > running the emulation is good enough like in the case of Charon-Vax,- > then only very few might care about that...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 03:57:04 -0400a  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>3 Subject: Re: How to determine boot device from DCL?v5 Message-ID: <1030516035340.2916A-100000@Ives.egh.com>i  - On Thu, 15 May 2003, David J. Dachtera wrote:f   > Steve Spires wrote:  > > I > > This would be nice, but we don't have the ability to use the /ANALYZEoJ > > qualifier, and site are unlikely to fork out for the DIAGNOSE license. > H > I believe all you need is a valid support contract to get the license.  B Yes, but I think you don't need the license.  The license enables B lots of extra functionality, but just looking at error log entries doesn't require it.   = However, many of the newer CPU's aren't supported by DECevent.B (aka DIAGNOSE)  I think you need Availability Manager (or whatever it is called these days.)-   -- - John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:37:44 +0100i- From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> 3 Subject: RE: How to determine boot device from DCL?tE Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA685454A@tahiti.tinuk.com>   H Quite possibly, but does that support contract need to be with HP, or as0 in our case, a third-party support organisation?   Cheers   Steve Sy   -----Original Message-----9 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]=20l Sent: 16 May 2003 02:59d To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come3 Subject: Re: How to determine boot device from DCL?h     Steve Spires wrote:  >=20J > This would be nice, but we don't have the ability to use the /ANALYZE=20H > qualifier, and site are unlikely to fork out for the DIAGNOSE license.  F I believe all you need is a valid support contract to get the license.   --=20y David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  H Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:44:42 +0200e, From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>3 Subject: Re: How to determine boot device from DCL? , Message-ID: <7ub2ab.gq9.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   Steve Spires wrote:t > G > This would be nice, but we don't have the ability to use the /ANALYZEeH > qualifier, and site are unlikely to fork out for the DIAGNOSE license.  G You don't need the license to analyze the error log. All you need to do:G is to run  @sys$startup:decevent$startup  (you need to install deceventn* if it isn't installed). This works for us.   Albrecht   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:45:30 -0700e/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>o5 Subject: RE: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job'K Message-ID: <5F43FCBF2789D611B6F500105A1D5213826FB8@seantexch.unitedad.com>    WAS  > $ open/write tmp send.ftpm > $ write tmp "cd /some/dir"0   $ write tmp "bin"		! or ASC[II] as appropriate > $ write tmp "put ",p1m > $ write tmp "quit"
 > $ close tmpR  ) Try this it returns the ftp error if any.n   > $ open/write tmp send.ftpr?   $ write tmp "ftp machine /username="''p2'" /password="''p3'""    $ write tmp  verbose on  > $ write tmp "cd /some/dir"0   $ write tmp "bin"		! or ASC[II] as appropriate > $ write tmp "put ",p1o
   $ @SEND.FTPR   $ MYSTAT=$STATUS   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:36:33 +0100dO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> < Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign0 Message-ID: <ba30i2$4p2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   gregc at gregcagle.com wrote:z* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >   >> gregc at gregcagle.com wrote: >>, >>> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >>>rC >>>> Even worse than that UDC which is the key technology component"= >>>> of the Adaptive Enterprise is not even based on HP's own: >>>> technology. >>>5 > A > Lots of people have products not based on their own technology.t% > Even Sun. Is that such a bad thing?r >   7 Not necessarly, however HP gave everyone the impression : that they were the IP leaders in this space. Some analysts7 even go as far as saying that Sun has copied HP UDC and  is simply reacting to it.s   The facts are rather different.i  7 UDC isn't based on HP IP its based on IP HP has sourcedg externally.s  8 N1 Sun's equivalent follows on from Sun's Virtualisation6 support and our Genesys program both of which pre-date3 UDC by a significant margin. Sun is also the leader & in Server Networks with Sun Fire Link.  9 Some people think that the next big battle for datacenterS7 supremacy will be fought in the virtualisation area. It 5 remains to be seen whether owning the core IP for ouri6 technology in this space is going to pay off, but this+ has always been Sun's strategy in the past.e >>>>4 >>>> Its based on Terraspring which is owned by Sun. >>>j > < > You actually meant to say "now owned by Sun" - Terraspring: > was independent when UDC was designed. You make it sound' > like Sun owned Terraspring all along.2 >   4 No thats only your interpretation. In fact its clear: from the URLs that I posted that Terraspring was purchased by Sun after HP used it in UDC.8   RegardsY Andrew Harrisonl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:39:27 +0100nO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>s< Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign0 Message-ID: <ba30ng$4p2$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:n > In article <b9oh38$395$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:   >  >>http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:DC0nEM5sVN4C:www.the451.com/avantgo/lite/index.php+Terraspring+HP+Utility+Datacenter&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 >  > " > Another quote from this article: > @ > (Think Dynamics adds storage for system-wide resource pooling)I > HP's utility datacenter software currently uses an older version of theh' > Terraspring software Sun now offers. u > O > An offhand comment from an analyst critiquing a different product.  Hearsay??  > F > I've seen nothing compelling here to back the supposition presented. >   E Why not ask HP they will confirm that they are using Terraspring 1.0.o  D We know after all we bought Terraspring so we do have their existing customer list.   RegardsT Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:43:51 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a< Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaignJ Message-ID: <bz8xa.216439$kYH.145252@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" 8 <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message* news:ba30ng$4p2$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:@D > > In article <b9oh38$395$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew HarrisonA SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:3 >$ > >@ >sF >>http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:DC0nEM5sVN4C:www.the451.com/avaD ntgo/lite/index.php+Terraspring+HP+Utility+Datacenter&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > >t > >e$ > > Another quote from this article: > >oB > > (Think Dynamics adds storage for system-wide resource pooling)D > > HP's utility datacenter software currently uses an older version of the( > > Terraspring software Sun now offers. > >tF > > An offhand comment from an analyst critiquing a different product.	 Hearsay??- > >t= > > I've seen nothing compelling here to back the supposition 
 presented. > >  >eB > Why not ask HP they will confirm that they are using Terraspring 1.0. > F > We know after all we bought Terraspring so we do have their existing > customer list.    @ And Think Dynamics, which was bought by IBM this week and is nowF rolled into IBM's Toronto software development lab (2000+ developers), also had HP as a customer.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 07:53:39 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detachedc3 Message-ID: <E6FQ4UNp3drl@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  r In article <6449213e.0305151044.78ee9d4f@posting.google.com>, fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Mattison) writes:F > Switching from RUN image to RUN/DETACHED image, the detached process. > is no longer able to reference the logicals.   Which logicals?-  @ Yes, RUN/DETACHED will not have access to /PROCESS logical namesE associated with the creating process.  And it will not have access toSB /JOB logical names associated with the creating process.  It will,A however, have access to /GROUP logical names in its own UIC groupi and to /SYSTEM logical names.c  E And the RUN/DETACHED process will also not run through the systemwideoB login command procedure (SYLOGIN.COM) or through the user specific> login command procedure (LOGIN.COM).  And it won't pick up theE DCL default logical names (SYS$LOGIN, SYS$LOGIN_DEVICE, SYS$SCRATCH). A And the SYS$INPUT, SYS$OUTPUT and SYS$ERROR logical names present G in the detached process will be ordinary logical names and not pointers.- to pre-opened process permanent files (PPFs).   ( The easiest way to deal with this is to:  4 $ RUN /DETACH [/AUTHORIZE] SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE -.   /INPUT=your-choice-of-DCL-command-file.COM -%   /OUTPUT=your-choice-of-log-file.LOGeC   ! And don't bother to specify /ERROR= since the /OUTPUT file willtH   ! be used for that.  The /ERROR= parameter can be used by LOGINOUT.EXEC   ! for undocumented black magic that you don't need to know about.   E With /AUTHORIZE, the detached process will automatically log in using D the user name of the submitter.  The UIC, and process quotas will beC taken from the UAF.  The systemwide login procedure will be run andoI the user specific login procedure will be run.  Then the detached process D will begin executing DCL commands taken from the input file you haveF specified.  Those commands may include a RUN command for your program.@ And they may include $ DEFINE or $ ASSIGN commands to create any needed logical names.h  B Without /AUTHORIZE, the detached process will not look at the UAF.@ It will run under the username and account of the submitter.  By? default it will run under the submitter's UIC.  But that can bep? overridden with the /UIC qualifier.  Process quotas will not benA taken from the UAF.  They can be specified on the command line or7A defaulted.  The user specific login command procedure is not run.l> I'm pretty sure the systemwide procedure is run.  Otherwise, aA /NOAUTHORIZE detached process behaves just like a /AUTHORIZE one.o   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 01:41:52 -0700* From: Anders.Wallin@om.com (Anders Wallin)$ Subject: Merge bug fixed in CMS V4.1= Message-ID: <79de16e3.0305160041.7794a4dd@posting.google.com>.   Hi,s  F We have discovered a merge bug in CMS V4.1-3 and V4.1-4, also probablyE in earlier versions. CMS reports a successful merge but the resulting:D file is wrong. There are large portions of code missing that did notD make it across the merge. The latest working version we had prior to our upgrade was V3.9-2.t  
 Fixed versione
 =============eA The problem has just been fixed with a new SYS$LIBRARY:CMSSHR.EXE*0 from HP. The new (working) CMS version is V4.1-8   Regards*
 Anders WallinV   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 07:40:06 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)eY Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - Friday May 16 - OpenVMS Partner that does host based testing tooc= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305160640.39ece76f@posting.google.com>    Folks,  : Here is another excellent partner that works with OpenVMS.   Have a great weekend.r  
 Warm Regards,  Sue   i _________________________________________________________________________________________________________r CYRANO d  D TEST Host-based suite of testing tools for terminal-based, character cell applications.   Company: 		Cyrano Incorporatedo 		26 Parker Street 		Newburyport, MA 01950t 		Phone: (978) 462-0737  		FAX: (978) 462-4755 + 	      http://www.cyrano.com/products/test/    Software Description: E Cyrano provides one of the only suite of testing tools available that B was designed specifically for testing terminal-based applications.B Because the tools run on the application host instead of a PC, theE test engine can automatically synchronize test scripts to the I/Os ofM@ the application, use multiple threads (terminals), communicate &E synchronize events between threads, monitor the resources the processcA being tested is using, and more. Cyrano's script generator allows E users to create automated test scripts by simply recording their testn> scenarios in the built-in terminal emulator. Test cases can beA embedded in the scripts during the recording process by selectings> icons on the toolbar to verify application behavior and screenC displays.  Test is specifically used in Legacy testing environmentsfD where a mix of legacy systems may need to be tested for performance,D migration or web-enablement so that you can extend legacy lifecycles/ or migrate to your chosen platform effectively.e 		C The Cyrano suite of tools can be used not only for software testingi: but process automation as well. Utilities include terminalE monitoring/recording, script generation, test controller, statisticalWA analyzer, screen image editor, native file comparator, and system-9 clock simulator. Platforms OpenVMS, Windows NT, and more.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:29:08 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>* Subject: Running VWS software on X-windows) Message-ID: <3EC48522.31A673DD@istop.com>/  G From an old Systems and option catalog for the VAXstation 3100 section:   H A software emulator is now available that makes running VWS applicationsM possible on VAXstation 3100 systems with SPX high-speed graphics modules. The J software emulator (VAXuisx) is contained in the VWS 4.3 Kit (QA-A96AA-H*).  J Has anyone ever used it ? Does this mean that one could again run the Moon lander game ??????   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:14:11 +1000N1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>o. Subject: Re: Running VWS software on X-windows, Message-ID: <3EC49DD3.8010601@tg.nsw.gov.au>   JF Mezei wrote:uI > From an old Systems and option catalog for the VAXstation 3100 section:o > J > A software emulator is now available that makes running VWS applicationsO > possible on VAXstation 3100 systems with SPX high-speed graphics modules. The L > software emulator (VAXuisx) is contained in the VWS 4.3 Kit (QA-A96AA-H*). > L > Has anyone ever used it ? Does this mean that one could again run the Moon > lander game ??????  = Is this what Canadian VMSers do in the hard winter months :-)-   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************m  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedg> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advisesB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.-  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid oA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the d= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with mC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesm> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************h   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:59:14 GMTe9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>e. Subject: Re: Running VWS software on X-windows0 Message-ID: <CN8xa.945$A14.223@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message:# news:3EC48522.31A673DD@istop.com...dI > From an old Systems and option catalog for the VAXstation 3100 section:@ >cJ > A software emulator is now available that makes running VWS applicationsK > possible on VAXstation 3100 systems with SPX high-speed graphics modules.e The L > software emulator (VAXuisx) is contained in the VWS 4.3 Kit (QA-A96AA-H*). >uL > Has anyone ever used it ? Does this mean that one could again run the Moon > lander game ??????  H Yeah, I was the project leader for UISX and wrote a lot of the code.  ItH worked pretty well all things considered.  The product was sold to TouchG Technologies many years ago.  I still have my own "private" copy of thea sources that run on Alpha.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:18:04 GMTo& From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>  Subject: Re: Spamfilter for VMS?0 Message-ID: <CFN377574214366551@news.cup.hp.com>  N On Thu, 15 May 2003 19:22:05 -0400 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  O > I sent them a comment telling them that their software was being used to spamC > the world.   were they surprised? :-))u   Jirka2   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2003 08:51:25 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: Spamfilter for VMS?5 Message-ID: <20030516085125.2633.qmail@nym.alias.net>o  < On Fri, 16 May 2003, Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> wrote:O >On Thu, 15 May 2003 19:22:05 -0400 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  >eP >> I sent them a comment telling them that their software was being used to spam
 >> the world.e >> >were they surprised? :-))    E Probably not.  JF is the second person this week I've seen post abouthJ contacting the makers of AnalogX to complain that their software is a spam	 enabler.       Doc. -- 0K OpenVMS:  Eight out of ten hackers                    http://vmsbox.cjb.net K           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.netg   ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 03 13:49:26 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)   Subject: Re: Spamfilter for VMS?) Message-ID: <dRDlsvatnbO2@elias.decus.ch>e  ` In article <ba0229$n3kfn$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:+ > In article <YBD7lpE9feAh@elias.decus.ch>,s. > 	p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:i >> In article <b9vr20$cph$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:c >> n	 >> <snip>  >> n@ >>> To my impression, invalid addresses never disappear from the* >>> e-mail address lists of the spammers.  >> mG >> I can confirm that. I got a spam last week which included an invalid A >> address that I only used in one single post to this newsgroup.- >> -H >> It has got a lot worse lately. I have also noticed that they start toJ >> arrive at lunchtime here, and continue into the evening, which suggests+ >> they are coming from American timezones.g >   6 > Probably.  You can blame us for the recent increase.  H There's a lot of stuff from South America too. Since I don't read either8 Spanish or Portuguese, it's a bit of a waste of time :-)   > The governmentG > has recently started hearings that will undoubtedly result in federal H > legislation making SPAM a violation of Federal Law.  The SPAMMERS knowE > this and that there is virtually no chance that it won't happen, sowJ > they are making a last major attack while they can still say they aren't > breaking any laws.  G That's good news. There was a time I thought they'd never get around tor it.   5 > The same thing happened with tele-marketers callingbE > on the phone.  My level of SPAM more than doubled the day after thel7 > hearings were announced on the national evening news.e >   D I used to get the tele-marketeers on the phone in the UK as well, inG spite of the fact I was ex-directory. I became a past master in wastingtF their time. There was however a company who would insist on calling meG at anything up to 9 pm trying to sell me credit that I didn't want. TheoH only way to stop that was to use profanities, which I do not like to do, especially over the phone.  F Here in Switzerland, this kind of stuff has started with the telecommsH companies. Three years ago, I had a Sunrise rep trying to get me to signF up to transferring my phone to them outside a department store. When IG told him there was no chance I was signing a contract in the street, he F really started getting heavy. Tough, but I have experience fending off8 these kind of folks. However there are others who don't.  D Also, at that time, I knew that Sunrise were part owned by BT, who IH loath with a passion. Unfortunately I fear that many Swiss are unused to1 BT style marketing tactics and may fall for them.e   It has got so bad thatD the newsletter that came with a recent Swisscom bill had a 1.75 page? article on the subject, entitled "Sunrise Agents with Wild WesthD Methods". The company doing it on behalf of Sunrise is appropriatelyG called "Rangers". The article described how the elderly are a favouriteeG target, citing a couple of ladies (84, 83 years old) who didn't realiseeG that they had signed up for Sunrise until they got the first bill. ThenfE a 90 year old was conned into signing a contract on the understandingd: that the guy was simply checking the telephone connection.  E My turn came last Saturday morning. Over the intercom I got a similartD story about checking my connection, but the guy didn't know my phoneF number. I said no thanks, but the guy simply rang the bell again. So IH went down to see him (I was about to climb into the bath at the time, soA had to hurriedly throw some clothes on, and wasn't in the best ofbE moods). At the front door I was met by a figure who could easily havehA been a nightclub bouncer. Firm handshake and all smiles, official H looking identity badge, and some kind of uniform (the Swisscom engineersH I have dealt with have not worn a uniform). My first question was who heD represented. The very name  "Sunrise" was enough for _me_ to say "NoG thanks." and shut the door in his face, but it left me concerned for my  neighbours.l  B When I later related this to a friend, I was told that Sunrise hadE previously been phoning folks at home and effectively signing them uplH over the phone, in one case, this involved a conversation with a 16 yearC old daughter. The father was furious, and that practice got banned.n  H Which reminds me. The last contract I had in the UK with BT came with soH much legalese that even I couldn't be bothered wading through it. It didH however insist that no signature on my part was necessary, which I found distinctly odd.p  E Sorry for the rant, but it really gets to me when these people target - the elderly or gullible, using dodgy tactics.n   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 01:37:00 -0400k  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!5 Message-ID: <1030516012505.2916B-100000@Ives.egh.com>p  $ On Tue, 13 May 2003, JF Mezei wrote:   > Warren Spencer wrote:nM > > Open question, but likely to Bill Todd:  We've seen a few Intel processor-N > > bugs over the years, but I don't recall ever hearing of an Alpha processor	 > > bug. n > N > Don't recall the specifics, but wasn't there was a latent bug in Alpha whichO > hadn't shown up until a next generation chip resulted in compilers generating6E > code which no longer worked on the older machines due to that bug ?    JF -  C Maybe you're thinking of the issue where some Alpha compilers would,G generate "incorrect" code sequences that worked fine on EV5 and before,e  but could fail on EV6 and later?  F The code in question was never legal, but it worked.  So it was really* a compiler (GEM?) bug, not a hardware bug.  ? sys$system:srm_check looks for illegal sequences in .exe files.r  C This is all documented in the Release Notes, (V7.3-1, Chapter 7 andrB V7.3, Chapter 8.)  (ISTR that it was first mentioned in an earlier> version, but that's the versions I happen to have on my desk.)   -- n John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:06:12 -0400S* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!) Message-ID: <3EC47FC4.774013F3@istop.com>    John Santos wrote:E > Maybe you're thinking of the issue where some Alpha compilers would-I > generate "incorrect" code sequences that worked fine on EV5 and before,n" > but could fail on EV6 and later? > H > The code in question was never legal, but it worked.  So it was really, > a compiler (GEM?) bug, not a hardware bug.    K Yeah, yeah, it is easy to blame the compiler people , especially since theyy4 were sold as slaves to the big bad Intel :-) ;-) :-)  + But yes, that is what I was thinking about.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:08:11 +1000o1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>a< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!, Message-ID: <3EC49C6B.8090805@tg.nsw.gov.au>   JF Mezei wrote:i > John Santos wrote: > E >>Maybe you're thinking of the issue where some Alpha compilers wouldsI >>generate "incorrect" code sequences that worked fine on EV5 and before,h" >>but could fail on EV6 and later? >>H >>The code in question was never legal, but it worked.  So it was really, >>a compiler (GEM?) bug, not a hardware bug. >  >  > M > Yeah, yeah, it is easy to blame the compiler people , especially since they 6 > were sold as slaves to the big bad Intel :-) ;-) :-) > - > But yes, that is what I was thinking about.    JF,e  I The compiler people do make mistakes, as we all do.  Have you never seen mG "Internal compiler error".  If you have ever stressed code, you surely c would.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************u  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviserB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.a  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the c= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with 5C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usess> virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:14:01 -0400 (EDT)0+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>o< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!H Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.53L-031.0305161112270.2180@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>  F ...or had the compiler go on for hours and hours optimizing a function1 that was only a couple hundred lines long? *grin*    Isildur     ) On Fri, 16 May 2003, Paddy O'Brien wrote:a  J > The compiler people do make mistakes, as we all do.  Have you never seenH > "Internal compiler error".  If you have ever stressed code, you surely > would.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:57:15 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>b< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!0 Message-ID: <ba359d$6at$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:-8 > Sun might as well forget it Andrew ... you should have4 > bought alpha/vms/tru64 when you had the chance ...9 > NIH (not invented here) syndrome will hurt the company!5 > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9437      . Umm IBM has announced 1.7 GHz power 4 systems.  ' They are shipping them later this year.   % Sun announces for immediate shipment.h  0 When you can buy and install a Power 4 processor1 running at 1.7 GHz then get back to me, otherwise  its not interesting.  / You also cannot buy Itaniums running at 1.5 Ghz - when you can they may also be interesting bute currently they arn't either.  / And sadly the Register article as usual betraysh1 a total lack of understanding about what actuallyo1 makes a difference from a performance standpoint.t  ( Take Power 4 1.7 GHz SPECfp performance.  - First the single CPU performance is with 7 ofe/ the 8 CPU's in an MCM module turned off so that-, the 1 remaining CPU gets access to 128 MB of cache.  - Like to take a guess how much difference thisE makes to SPEC performance.  * Like to take a guess how many IBM P670 and. P690 customers only use 1 CPU. No don't bother on that one there are none.   - So lets take a look at SPECrate because thatsv+ power 4 without the CPU's turned off to get  more cache.m  0 Humm ohh dear a 32 way Power 4+ machine that you0 will be able to buy sometime does 372 SPECratefp. when compared with a 32 way F12K result of 3380 which we are currently shipping. Gosh 10% faster1 for a system that you can't currently buy. Hardlya2 compelling. You can buy a 36 way F12K now which is+ faster than the P690 will be when it ships.e  - Or put another way Power 4 sure as hell isn'tE+ anything like as fast a TheRegister and you , think it is when people actually start using3 in systems for the job that the system was designed + for. Whatever you and TheRegister may thinkm+ IBM never designed the P690 as a single CPUe4 server and none of their customers use them as such.  1 Or how about the 1450 MHZ P650 8 way result funnyt/ its under half the performance of a 16 CPU F12K - for SPECratefp. Or put it another way Power 4t- sure as hell isn't faster than SPARC on a perr* CPU basis, even when comparing a small IBM+ with a nice short backplane with a huge Sun " with a dirty great long backplane.   So whats happening.   5 1. You got fooled by meaningless single CPU benchmark 7 numbers at did TheRegister (again). When we are talkingw6 about a 64 bit market which is almost all about server$ performance with larger SMP systems.  8 2. You ignored system balance (again). Having a balanced4 system design for example low latency high bandwidth3 backplanes makes more of a difference than you seem  capable of comprehending.   7 3. You confused what Sun, HP, IBM etc can ship now withl9 what some vendors choose to pre-announce in the hope thate, it will slow down their competition (again).  5 Until you can buy it HP etc can't revenue it. You and 4 TheRegister would look much less ridiculous that you0 currently do if you grasped that simple concept.  6 Thanks for yet more evidence that you and The Register need to get out a bit more.h   regardse Andrew Harrisond   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:58:16 GMTb# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>iE Subject: Re: unix sues linux ... you don't get something for nothing!aJ Message-ID: <Y76xa.215742$kYH.103410@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EC45069.A73A0622@fsi.net...  > Dean Woodward wrote: > >, > > Bob Ceculski wrote: 5 > > > looks like linux will not be free after all ...o > >X7 > > You're not much for reading comprehension, are you?m > >o. > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9506 > > @ > > "The sound you hear is The SCO Group crisping in the fire it	 started."r >VD > Rather like the company goes around suing people for using the gifF > format without licensing it. The adjective "quixotic" comes to mind.    ' Or 3rd parties building Unibus devices.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:16:33 +0100a, From: Ted Allwood <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk> Subject: VMS 7.1H1 and 7.1-24 Message-ID: <00A1FF46.99297D96.357@leva.leeds.ac.uk>   Hi,p  < I'm planning a disk upgrade to an AlphaServer 1200 which is < running VMS 7.1-2.   The vendor tells me that I need 7.1-1H1  > Is it safe to assume that 7.1-2 includes all the functionality of 7.1-1H1 ?     THanks,o Ted    -- tK Support@leva.leeds.ac.uk                                Tel:  0113 34 32167f+ www.mech-eng.leeds.ac.uk/support/index.htmlIG School of Mechanical Engineering,  University of Leeds,  Leeds  LS2 9JTl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:48:57 GMTw3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)-  Subject: Re: VMS 7.1H1 and 7.1-20 Message-ID: <tT6xa.934$0O3.456@news.cpqcorp.net>  c In article <00A1FF46.99297D96.357@leva.leeds.ac.uk>, Ted Allwood <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk> writes:c >Hi, >n= >I'm planning a disk upgrade to an AlphaServer 1200 which is w= >running VMS 7.1-2.   The vendor tells me that I need 7.1-1H1l > ? >Is it safe to assume that 7.1-2 includes all the functionalityk
 >of 7.1-1H1 ?A  ? OpenVMS V7.1-2 should contain all the funcionality of V7.1-1H1.t? However, If your vendor is looking specifically for "V7.1-1H1",i then this could be a problem.o   Check with your vendor.b  D While your at it, consider the possibility of a more recent release,? such as V7.2-2 or even V7.3-1 -- again, check with your vendor.S   -- hJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:42:26 -0500m( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)  Subject: Re: VMS 7.1H1 and 7.1-21 Message-ID: <03051611422646@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>t  > > I'm planning a disk upgrade to an AlphaServer 1200 which is > > running VMS 7.1-2.   The vendor tells me that I need 7.1-1H1 > @ > Is it safe to assume that 7.1-2 includes all the functionality > of 7.1-1H1 ?  N Typically the H is representative of a new hardware platform introduced at theN current OS rev.  In this case, the hardware (1200) was released after V7.1 and8 required patches to allow the OS to run on the platform.  M Those patches are typically rolled into the next version level so V7.1-2 willo most likely have those patches.t  L However, as Charlie Hammond stated,   Check with your vendor.  It would seem4 odd that the disk drives would only run on v7.1-1h1.    M I suggest V7.3-1 or better.  Going through the hassle of an upgrade, might as1 well do it right!    John Brandon VMS Systems Administrators Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk    ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 03 14:32:22 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)v* Subject: Re: VMS Admins with too much time) Message-ID: <RwdK+tOM5oPm@elias.decus.ch>t  V In article <3EC3DD8C.9952F645@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > 1 >> Can anyone confirm if openvmsdoc@hp.com works?n > / > I have had success with openvmsdoc@compaq.coms > P > compaq.com still points to different servers than hp.com although I think they > share the same directory.   J Well, I tried openvmsdoc@hp.com, and it didn't bounce. No response so far," so I don't know if anyone read it.   -- 1
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:37:22 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r* Subject: VMS character cell interface toolJ Message-ID: <6t8xa.216394$kYH.161507@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  B I was surfing around today, wondering if this company was still inC business and whether they still had VMS tools available. Much to myt surprise they're still around.  - http://www.vtsoft.com/vcsproducts/vviews.htmlI  
 Vermont Views " Version 4.05 for UNIX, VMS and DOS# A C Language User Interface Library-  @ I used their Vermont Views product many years ago for building aE couple of character-cell apps on VMS, unix, and DOS. It was very easyc= to use and thoroughly documented. Very fast to build and run.i  C Click on their Unix link for info...VMS is mentioned ..both VAX andg Alpha support.  % No, I don't own stock in the company.:   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:48:04 GMTs9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>s4 Subject: Re: X-windows: XtAppSetExitFlag() missing ?0 Message-ID: <8D8xa.944$X04.225@news.cpqcorp.net>   There is no XtAppSetExitFlag()   XtAppMainLoop(app)   consists of:  
 for (;;) {   XtAppNextEvent(app, & event);t   XtDispatchEvent(&event); }o    D "Robert Trawinski" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in message) news:ba00c1$goq$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl...  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Robert Trawinski wrote:  > >i& > >>You can replace XtAppMainLoop with > >> > >>     while (!finishFlag)
 > >>     {0 > >>         XtAppNextEvent(appContext, &event);% > >>         XtDispatchEvent(&event);i
 > >>     } > >u > >eJ > > Is that all the XtAppMainLoop does ? If so, seems like a simple enough > > solution. thanks >e> > I use this construction on VMS since few years and it works. >a > Robert >c   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.270 ************************er owning the core IP for ouri6 technology in this space is going to pay off, but this+ has always been Sun's strategy in the past.e >>>>4 >>>> Its based on Terraspring which is owned+DKm"3'\ \/4
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