1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 275       Contents:G Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")  Re: Another newbie question  Re: Another newbie question * Re: Backspace on DECterm vs TPU (Xwindows)* Re: Backspace on DECterm vs TPU (Xwindows), DCL$PATH (was Re: Error message help needed)0 Re: DCL$PATH (was Re: Error message help needed) Dynamic Load Balaner Re: Dynamic Load Balaner, FA: DEC AlphaServer 1000A 5/333 64MB CD more1 FA: DEC AlphaStation 500 5/266 64MB CD disks more / FA: Planar ELT320 Flat Panel DEC VT320 Terminal  Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: How small can VMS get ?  hp ssh on vms7.3-1 Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1 Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?  Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?  Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ? . Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name. Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A Re: New VMS logo ? Re: New VMS logo ? Re: New VMS logo ?@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!% Re: Running VWS software on X-windows 2 RE: WHICH command (was: Error message help needed)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:53:07 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)P Subject: Re: (Very) Affordable VMS on older gear (was: "VMS will be around ...")4 Message-ID: <D1Vxa.93003$_b1.1008225@news.chello.at>  ^ In article <vc7eomhjpfdm14@news.supernews.com>, "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> writes:I >From what I have seen, Compaq should charge $250 for VMS Base/NAS  for a  >12-15 Unit machine.  J Only when a full ConDist CD-set is included. And it should be $99 as I seeH no argument for a price difference between Tru64 and OpenVMS licenses...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:50:04 +0200 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> $ Subject: Re: Another newbie question5 Message-ID: <ba8v6g$q9hju$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   4 "Glen G." <acme@aodontspamme.net> schreef in bericht+ news:01c31cbf$15bc5060$2b8f4f3f@thegoodw... I > Thanks to everyone who helped with my problem running "hello.exe."  RUN 
 > HELLO works < > like a champ!  It's good to see such an active group here. > J > Now I'd like to know -- where are the rest of the layered products?  The > OpenVMS 7.3 CD-ROML > which I received has about 15 products, but the OpenVMS Hobbyist site says > that "over 100 of D > Compaq's OpenVMS Layered Products are available for the Hobbyist." > Following this statement) > is a list of, well, about 100 products.  > K > Where do I find them?  I'm particularly interested in the COBOL compiler.  >  > Thanks again --  >  > Glen > 0/0  >  >  > @ > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! @ > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----  K There is (AFAIK) no legal problem to share distribution media (aka H-kits). F The person or organization that wants to use the kit must have a validJ license. That said, if you specify what you need (VAX or Alpha) then I canI create a link on my website. Just learned HTML might as use it for a good  purpose.  
 Hans Vlems  /home.zonnet.nl/hvlems    ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2003 18:42:15 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) $ Subject: Re: Another newbie question= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0305181742.3d1a41cb@posting.google.com>   Z p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<d$KwJngFANVt@elias.decus.ch>...] > In article <01c31cbf$15bc5060$2b8f4f3f@thegoodw>, "Glen G." <acme@aodontspamme.net> writes: K > > Thanks to everyone who helped with my problem running "hello.exe."  RUN  > > HELLO works > > > like a champ!  It's good to see such an active group here. > >  > M > LOL. Welcome to this newsgroup. You will indeed find some extremely helpful 
 > folks here.  >   L > > Now I'd like to know -- where are the rest of the layered products?  The > > OpenVMS 7.3 CD-ROMN > > which I received has about 15 products, but the OpenVMS Hobbyist site says > > that "over 100 of G > > Compaq's OpenVMS Layered Products are available for the Hobbyist."   > > Following this statement+ > > is a list of, well, about 100 products.  > > M > > Where do I find them?  I'm particularly interested in the COBOL compiler.  > >  > M > Drop me a private email, and I'll see what I can find. Do you have a VAX or  > an Alpha?  > H > A couple of things about the VMS COBOL compiler: it supports "terminalJ > format", meaning you don't have to stick to column numbers, can use tabsJ > and so on, and you don't have to write in uppercase either. Line numbersH > are also unnecessary. It also has extensions for screen handling, suchA > as display at row n column n, function key handling, and so on.  > , > OK, that's more than a couple of things:-) and the good bits.... ? vms cobol allows you to call "module" using param by descriptor . and to define data items as "usage is pointer" Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 18 May 2003 18:10:53 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> 3 Subject: Re: Backspace on DECterm vs TPU (Xwindows) * Message-ID: <ba8ibd$e4p$2@news1.radix.net>  * Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:  M > Umm? I am typing this on my OS X system, using the Terminal utility, logged Q > into a VMS machine, and using TPU as the editor. It works fine for me, with the O > exception of the accented keys, which have never worked as advertized in much Q > else but a few applications. Damn sloppy implementation for those of us who use K > different keyboards IMNSHO, but the VT100 emulation works far better than  > many others I have seen.  G I've seen varied comments on OS X's emulator.  How well does it do with   # 	http://invisible-island.net/vttest    ?    --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2003 16:33:23 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)3 Subject: Re: Backspace on DECterm vs TPU (Xwindows) = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0305181533.3d1d317e@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3EC5A577.E2BD8F69@istop.com>... O > On a Xserver (the MI-X on mac), I can run the DECTerm fine with the backspace " > key acting as the VMS backspace. > K > However, if I start a TPU window on the same Xserver, the use of the same 1 > backspace key generates the <CTRL-H> behaviour.  >  > Any idea why ?     Ask me if I'm surprised.  " The solution: Write a TPU program!   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 06:46:42 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> 5 Subject: DCL$PATH (was Re: Error message help needed) , Message-ID: <3EC7F132.2090805@tg.nsw.gov.au>   David J. Dachtera wrote:G > The logical name DCL$PATH (which is optional - it can be setup at the G > system-wide level (NEVER recommended, IMO), group (less of a bugaboo, H > but still only recommended with great caution), job (a little better),3 > process (probably most common usage), etc. level.   H Why do you suggest that system level should NEVER be recommended?  What " problems or risks can this create?  J I ask because this is the way I have been running since DCL$PATH came out.  B Our production users mainly run our applications and utilities we H provide (e.g., ZIP, SWING, GV to name a few) and utilities that we have H written.  They might write a few programs themselves, but not enough to 5 use DCL$PATH themselves (even if they knew about it).   I Our applications are not in the path as we need flexiblity in being able  H to get users to test different versions other than the current standard  production version.   D All the utilities are in two directories, one for .EXEs and one for D COMs and this is the access order in DCL$PATH.  And yes I do have a I $.COM in the first directory.  I learnt of this here some while ago, and   IIRC it was a post from you.  G All this avoids setting up numerous symbols in SYLOGIN and also avoids  5 giving them to accounts where they may never be used.   H This entire directory structure is identical on our development and our  production machines.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:48:35 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 9 Subject: Re: DCL$PATH (was Re: Error message help needed) ' Message-ID: <3EC84603.C59F197B@fsi.net>    Paddy O'Brien wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote:I > > The logical name DCL$PATH (which is optional - it can be setup at the I > > system-wide level (NEVER recommended, IMO), group (less of a bugaboo, J > > but still only recommended with great caution), job (a little better),5 > > process (probably most common usage), etc. level.  > I > Why do you suggest that system level should NEVER be recommended?  What + > problems or risks can this create? [snip]   E From what I snipped, looks like you've done it "right". I'd make sure G that $.COM has no delete access in any part of the protection mask, and F I'd make sure that the version is ;32767 to h4elp ensure that it can't be over-written.  E For other readers, I'd also caution aginst letting $.COM simply be an F empty file. If anyone does find a way to over-ride the protection maskG and append malicious code, you could end up in the same boat with other A systems that get hacked by an internal perp. Let $.COM be an EXIT H statement. Period. Make sure the protection mask denies delete and write5 access to all users. Make sure the version is ;32767.   D If anyone else knows how to make it even more secure, your posts are welcome, as always.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:45:33 -0500 + From: Cindy Steinmetz <steinmetz@uindy.edu>  Subject: Dynamic Load Balaner ( Message-ID: <3EC8454D.5090302@uindy.edu>   Hi All,   G Does anyone know if the VMS tuning product Dynamic Load Balancer (once  F sold by Touch Technologies) is still around somewhere and if so how I  contact the current vendor?    Thanks.    --   Cindy Steinmetz - Director of Administrative Computing Services  University of Indianapolis 1400 E. Hanna Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46227   Phone:   (317) 788-3361  FAX:     (317) 788-3300  E-Mail:  steinmetz@uindy.edu  ? ''I'd rather be a 'could be' if I cannot be an 'are,' because a ? could-be is a maybe who is reaching for a star. I'd rather be a @ has-been than a 'might-have-been,' by far; for a might-have-been> has never been, but a 'has' was once an are.'' - Milton Berle    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:31:51 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: Dynamic Load Balaner ' Message-ID: <3EC85027.E52EE048@fsi.net>    Cindy Steinmetz wrote: > 	 > Hi All,  > H > Does anyone know if the VMS tuning product Dynamic Load Balancer (onceG > sold by Touch Technologies) is still around somewhere and if so how I  > contact the current vendor?   F May I assume that you're running some older hardware? ...probably VAX?  F DLB is rather a desperate measure to eke the last drops of performance9 out of a system that's already pressed beyond its limits.   G Be advised that I last saw DLB on V5.3-1 on a VAX 8350 cluster (twins). B Then, it poked around with sysparams like QUANTUM and IOTA, prettyH dangerous stuff to be mucking about with, generally speaking. When I gotH my first VAX 6000 (a -410), I kinda forgot about DLB because the machineD had enough raw horse-power to feed the CPU-cycle-hungry All-in-1 and keep my users happy.  G I can't see where you would need DLB on Alpha. However, my viewpoint is @ a bit tainted. We're running twin GS1280s now, and those suckersC *REALLY* SCREAM! We have some constraints on the GS160 cluster they E replace (two GS160s, two hard-partitions each, four VMS nodes total), E but we know that's due to the CI based storage we still use there. On B the fibre based disks, performance is within expectations. Running- Oracle mostly, back-end to Cerner Millennium.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:56:57 -0500 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> 5 Subject: FA: DEC AlphaServer 1000A 5/333 64MB CD more 8 Message-ID: <3e7gcv8gt4hkmu3p125vqt5nan5j5c20nn@4ax.com>  Q http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3025174397&category=11218&rd=1    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:58:17 -0500 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> : Subject: FA: DEC AlphaStation 500 5/266 64MB CD disks more8 Message-ID: <lf7gcvk176tu167j1522hgre0vlu6u7u51@4ax.com>  L http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11218&item=3025174402   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 20:22:33 -0500 / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> 8 Subject: FA: Planar ELT320 Flat Panel DEC VT320 Terminal8 Message-ID: <qdcgcv4kblq529d21vhehv3p41jkag37nk@4ax.com>  Q http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3025232873&category=11218&rd=1    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:48:08 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 4 Message-ID: <I4Uxa.91961$_b1.1002412@news.chello.at>  k In article <5ed44bd3.0305150051.6b0cadb1@posting.google.com>, paul_hallam@hotmail.com (Paul Hallam) writes: E >Does anyone know of any current supported firewall software for VMS.   7 Sorry, no. (But I only watched it until some years ago) D There is only the port filter function in the more modern IP stacks.  D >I know there was a product a few years ago but I get the impression5 >that Compaq/HP aren't interested in resurrecting it.   K This was later named AltaVista Firewall (after the VMS version already died F because of the missing/miserable IP stack and Webbrowser) and got sold< (or simply died) when CPQ bought DEC and spun off ALTAVISTA.  . >If you use the TRU64 version is it any good ?  K I tried the VMS version and watched for some years the U**X version evolve. M It was simple (first version had only 2 interfaces, later version had 3 ifcs. K Checkpoint FW-1 had at this time unlimited ifcs - limited only by hardware) J slow, had no features (like the Stateful Inspection of FW-1) but was cheap! (IIRC AVFW did cost 1/6 of FW-1).   J This was an oppurtunity for AltaVista on OpenVMS-CLUSTER, but alas one hasH to buy now a FW-1 with high-availability options which drives the pricesF from 600% of AVFW to infinite (about 2000%) as there is no AVFW now...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2003 22:09:20 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)$ Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?= Message-ID: <7500353b.0305182109.340ff289@posting.google.com>   I >    You can add a timesharing option on top of a lot of realtime OS, but D >    you'll never emulate the realtime capabilities of VMS on top of >    HP-UX.   C That may be true although I dont recall it being very good on that. D However, how many of VMS applications are real-time and woud HP keep2 VMS as it is now for real-time applications only ?  F VMS is rather large for that area, its monolithic and it has excessive@ weight for rt-programming. What better does it offer compared to modern rt os'ses ?   Mist   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2003 20:10:44 -0700- From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt)  Subject: hp ssh on vms7.3-1 < Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0305181910.a6bfae5@posting.google.com>   ok    @ up until now I have used OpenSSL and OSU ssh on our vms machines3 a vendor requested I use the HP/Compaq/Dec SSH EAK  C (early adopters kit??? I think they mean BETA). I install it as per : the instructions extractind a tlb file firs before product
 install(ing). D It installs fine I start it up via tcpip$config, then when I try to E ssh via a PC (putty) or unix client or its own ssh client I get this:   $  Event Log: Host key fingerprint is: Event Log: ssh-dss 1024 / 45:c8:30:ea:ac:5d:4d:5c:75:06:3f:f8:fa:f4:dc:a4 1 Outgoing packet type 21 / 0x15 (SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS) 1 Incoming packet type 21 / 0x15 (SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS) 9 Event Log: Initialised Blowfish client->server encryption 9 Event Log: Initialised Blowfish server->client encryption 8 Outgoing packet type 5 / 0x05 (SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST)<   00000000  00 00 00 0c 73 73 68 2d 75 73 65 72 61 75 74 68  ....ssh-userauth7 Incoming packet type 6 / 0x06 (SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT) <   00000000  00 00 00 0c 73 73 68 2d 75 73 65 72 61 75 74 68  ....ssh-userauth: Outgoing packet type 50 / 0x32 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_REQUEST)<   00000000  00 00 00 08 6d 65 72 72 69 74 74 72 00 00 00 0e  ....merrittr....<   00000010  73 73 68 2d 63 6f 6e 6e 65 63 74 69 6f 6e 00 00  ssh-connection..C   00000020  00 04 6e 6f 6e 65                                ..none : Incoming packet type 51 / 0x33 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_FAILURE)<   00000000  00 00 00 09 68 6f 73 74 62 61 73 65 64 00        ....hostbased.> Event Log: No supported authentications offered. Disconnecting3 Outgoing packet type 1 / 0x01 (SSH2_MSG_DISCONNECT) <   00000000  00 00 00 0b 00 00 00 2d 4e 6f 20 73 75 70 70 6f  .......-No suppoA   00000010  72 74 65 64 20 61 75 74 68 65 6e 74 69 63 61 74  rted  authenticat @   00000020  69 6f 6e 20 6d 65 74 68 6f 64 73 20 61 76 61 69  ion methods avai<   00000030  6c 61 62 6c 65 00 00 00 02 65 6e                 lable....en   : and get droped affter entering the username at the prompt   	 any ideas    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:54:14 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1 2 Message-ID: <ba9rmd$49q$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   rob merritt wrote: > ok   > B > up until now I have used OpenSSL and OSU ssh on our vms machines5 > a vendor requested I use the HP/Compaq/Dec SSH EAK  2 > (early adopters kit??? I think they mean BETA).   M It is indeed a BETA kit, in fact the kit is downported from the future TCPIP  / V5.4 version to the present TCPIP V5.3 version.   I I don't know which version of SSH can be downloaded now, but engineering  0 published a newer version a couple of weeks ago.  N And yes, we also had quite a lot of problems with the first kit, and we still  have to test the updated kit.      I install it as per < > the instructions extractind a tlb file firs before product > install(ing). F > It installs fine I start it up via tcpip$config, then when I try to G > ssh via a PC (putty) or unix client or its own ssh client I get this:  > & >  Event Log: Host key fingerprint is: > Event Log: ssh-dss 1024 1 > 45:c8:30:ea:ac:5d:4d:5c:75:06:3f:f8:fa:f4:dc:a4 3 > Outgoing packet type 21 / 0x15 (SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS) 3 > Incoming packet type 21 / 0x15 (SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS) ; > Event Log: Initialised Blowfish client->server encryption ; > Event Log: Initialised Blowfish server->client encryption : > Outgoing packet type 5 / 0x05 (SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST)> >   00000000  00 00 00 0c 73 73 68 2d 75 73 65 72 61 75 74 68  > ....ssh-userauth9 > Incoming packet type 6 / 0x06 (SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT) > >   00000000  00 00 00 0c 73 73 68 2d 75 73 65 72 61 75 74 68  > ....ssh-userauth< > Outgoing packet type 50 / 0x32 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_REQUEST)> >   00000000  00 00 00 08 6d 65 72 72 69 74 74 72 00 00 00 0e  > ....merrittr....> >   00000010  73 73 68 2d 63 6f 6e 6e 65 63 74 69 6f 6e 00 00  > ssh-connection..E >   00000020  00 04 6e 6f 6e 65                                ..none < > Incoming packet type 51 / 0x33 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_FAILURE)> >   00000000  00 00 00 09 68 6f 73 74 62 61 73 65 64 00        > ....hostbased.@ > Event Log: No supported authentications offered. Disconnecting5 > Outgoing packet type 1 / 0x01 (SSH2_MSG_DISCONNECT) > >   00000000  00 00 00 0b 00 00 00 2d 4e 6f 20 73 75 70 70 6f  > .......-No suppoC >   00000010  72 74 65 64 20 61 75 74 68 65 6e 74 69 63 61 74  rted 
 > authenticat B >   00000020  69 6f 6e 20 6d 65 74 68 6f 64 73 20 61 76 61 69  ion > methods avai> >   00000030  6c 61 62 6c 65 00 00 00 02 65 6e                
 > lable....en  > < > and get droped affter entering the username at the prompt  >  > any ideas    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:09:42 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?3 Message-ID: <GwTxa.91354$_b1.974932@news.chello.at>   _ In article <1h2cnanLyYW_0l6jXTWcog@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: r >"Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message news:jHHwa.12719$_b1.159957@news.chello.at...1 >> Have you perhaps seen the (german) newsticker:  >>3 >> http://heise.de/newsticker/data/as-25.02.03-000/  >>B >> From the URL it seems that it is already some weeks/months old. >>> >> It states that I64-2 is way beyond Alpha in SAP benchmarks. > J >Er, it states that Itanic2 is way *behind* (i.e., much slower than) Alpha# >(and POWER4) in the SAP benchmark.   * Ooops. Yes, that is what was meant. Sorry.N (It seems my night was too short to write perfect foreign language statements)  A >> So, count one more who thinks, the Itanic is not an Itanium...  >>J >> I'm still in doubt, whether I should believe that Itanic will die (as II >> thought the last years) or I should hope that it will survive (because J >> I think/fear, if Itanic really dies, VMS most likely will die with it). > K >That is kind of a problem:  the world as a whole would be better off if it  >died, but VMS might not be.  H That's what I mean. VMS should not die, but currently I don't think thatI VMS can survive the death of Itanic then. (Maybe not in the next 4 years, H but surely before the end of the decade or my retirement after 2028 ;-).  K What is the plan B for such a scenario ? Alpha Revival ? Unfortunately, not E likely. Port to OPTERON/POWER5 ? Not likely, as every port cost money K (and HP won't like to pay this price) and looses applications (does VMS has I so many that it can loose some ? don't think so). So what's left ? ITANIC L intensive care (by HP after INTEL dropped it) ? For how long ? A NIH sigh...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:14:42 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?3 Message-ID: <mBTxa.91447$_b1.974932@news.chello.at>   V In article <3EC35B9E.F3D0B307@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >Bill Todd wrote: M >> That is kind of a problem:  the world as a whole would be better off if it  >> died, but VMS might not be. > M >VMS could fall back to Alpha and alpha could start with just process shrinks 9 >and speed bumps while the engineers ready a new version.   L Which engineers ? At the time this happens, there are no more chip engineersJ at HPQ then. And did you read about the (artificial ?) delay of the EV79 ?  P >And HP could then port to HP-UX to alpha, and restart the tandem port to alpha.  M At this time, there is no more HP-UX. And LINUX for Alpha is there (but still  without many applications)   >Sorry, I might be dreaming :-)   3 Indeed you are, but I can think of better dreams...   N >If IA64 is killed, it basically means that HP will put all its eggs in the 64F >bit 8086 since killing IA64 implicitely means that Intel has a highly0 >succesful 64 bit 8086 competing against Hammer.  L And only if INTEL pays the VMS port to this INTEL IA32-64 VMS can survive...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:22:51 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: INTEL Itanic ? Fast ?3 Message-ID: <%ITxa.91575$_b1.974932@news.chello.at>   W In article <3EC3E9D6.7060808@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: ! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: 1 >> Have you perhaps seen the (german) newsticker:  >>  3 >> http://heise.de/newsticker/data/as-25.02.03-000/  >>  B >> From the URL it seems that it is already some weeks/months old. >>  > >> It states that I64-2 is way beyond Alpha in SAP benchmarks. >  >Alpha died years ago.  L Not in my eyes. It might be in Agony (though the MARVEL which is about twiceD as fast as a WILDFIRE seems to counter this) but it is not dead yet.  P >                      Even the EV7 seems to perform below expectations, for no M >reason, which raises the issue of whether this is intentional, or just from  N >inattention.  Note that Alpha was able to keep up and/or ahead of Power from P >IBM.  That was with attention, not stagnation.  When you can show some studies N >that show IA-64 beating the latest Power based systems, then we can consider = >whether it would have been able to challenge a 'live' Alpha.    Yup.  A >> So, count one more who thinks, the Itanic is not an Itanium...  >>  J >> I'm still in doubt, whether I should believe that Itanic will die (as II >> thought the last years) or I should hope that it will survive (because J >> I think/fear, if Itanic really dies, VMS most likely will die with it). > P >As I've stated many times, the technical success of IA-64 is not and has never P >been the issue.  Recent information suggests that the total sales of all IA-64 R >CPUs, lifetime, is under 5000.  Less than nothing to a company like Intel.  What Q >will Intel's technical talent be working on if Hammer is successful in the mass  R >market?  Not IA-64 you can be sure.  What is the future of IA-64 if all that can Q >be hoped for is some already planned process shrinks?  You can be sure that AMD  D >is first concerned with the mass market, but, in time may have the Q >infrastructure on the chips to allow much larger SMP systems than they now have   >provided for.  H Just my thoughts, except that I don't see AMD winning yet. They have the, big road block named Bob PALMER, you know...  N >One can never predict what the future holds, but as of today, on-chip memory H >controllers and on-chip 'glue' for SMP seems to greatly outperform SMP R >implemented off-chip.  IBM, AMD, and Alpha have such, and IA-64 will only get it Q >if those who know how are allowed to implement it on IA-64.  Should they be put  O >to work elsewhere, IA-64 will not have the high end, and is too expensive and  * >non-compatable to compete at the low end.  G Which raises the question for a Plan B for VMS, and I'm afraid there is > none and that's why I fear the (inevitable) death of ITANIC...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2003 18:45:23 -07005 From: Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp (Hiroyuki Tanaka) 7 Subject: Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name = Message-ID: <68cfa44d.0305181745.55a6f26f@posting.google.com>    Hi  C Is there anything wrong with just reading this information from the E sys$system:NETNODE_REMOTE.DAT file?  This file appears to contain the D data I need.  Can I just read shared, readonly without any problems.  D Does anyone have a data strucutre for this file for DECnet Phase IV.   Thanks   Tanaka   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:35:00 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 7 Subject: Re: Looking up DECnet addresses from Node name ' Message-ID: <3EC842D4.6D3CF55C@fsi.net>    Hiroyuki Tanaka wrote: >  > Hi > E > Is there anything wrong with just reading this information from the G > sys$system:NETNODE_REMOTE.DAT file?  This file appears to contain the F > data I need.  Can I just read shared, readonly without any problems.  F I'm sure that would be entirely valid. I just assumed you were looking9 to have the target server tell you what it already knows.   F > Does anyone have a data strucutre for this file for DECnet Phase IV.  G There's not that much to it. You should be able to reverse-engineer it.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:31:02 +0200 ' From: "Peter Witting" <pwitting@web.de> ) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A 4 Message-ID: <ba8u2i$q9e9m$1@ID-34854.news.dfncis.de>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>5 schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ba8a9l$sr3$1@online.de... J > I'm experimenting with some old hardware which I think was OK when I got0 > it but which I have never properly brought up. >  > [....]   Hi, / haben hier fast den gleichen setup (DSSI usw..) 
 mail mir mal. . Knnen dann per tel. versuchen, dir zu helfen.	 P.witting $ mailto:witting@tkec.thyssenkrupp.com  	 bis dann,  peter w.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:04:25 +0200 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> ) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A 5 Message-ID: <ba901c$qj9nr$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 schreef in bericht news:ba8a9l$sr3$1@online.de... J > I'm experimenting with some old hardware which I think was OK when I got0 > it but which I have never properly brought up. > H > One piece is a 4000-100A.  It apparently has a DSSI controller as wellG > as a SCSI controller.  There is a DSSI disk and a SCSI CD inside.  It 7 > has a HUGE connection block on the back with a 50-pin F > Centronics---presumably SCSI---as well as male and female connectorsJ > with three rows of pins (otherwise about the same size as the Centronics > connector)  K The first one you mention, the big one is indeed a SCSI connector. The male K "three row of pins" connector  may be a DSW42 connector. The female version  does not ring a bell.   ; >and three male plugs which look like the small 50 (or 68?) H > pin SCSI connectors but almost certainly aren't.  It came with a BA350E > with a cable connecting it to one of the small plugs.  In the BA350 G > there is some sort of module which I suspect is a DSSI-SCSI converter B > (since almost certainly only SCSI disks can go into the BA 350).  I The way you describe the connector comes close to what VAX 4300's etc use  for DSSI support.   J > Anyway, the default boot device is non-existent.  When I tell it to bootI > from the DSSI disk inside, it comes up saying VMS 5.5-2H4, asks for the F > date and time and then says it has booted standalone backup!  I thenC > have a "$" prompt, but it's not a DCL prompt.  Probably it is theeH > standalone-backup prompt, since BACKUP seems to be the only command it
 > recognises.e  H Even so you managed to boot from disk someway. What does >>> show device	 tell you?d   > J > I'm not very familiar with standalone backup.  Does anyone know if thereJ > is anyway to tell whether the DSSI disk inside is bootable and if so howI > to boot from it (from the console prompt) rather than have it boot into  > standalone backup?  L VAX/VMS SAB is  somewhat limited: it only understands the backup command andI quitre differently from VMS backup. Example: SAB backup assumes /IMAGE by   default and VMS backup does not.   >NE > Another piece is a 4000-90.  At power up, the four LEDs on the leftsH > (1--4) stay lit all the time.  At first, the leftmost two in the groupI > on the right (5--6) stay lit, then 5 stays on while 6 goes out, 7 comes I > up and stays lit and 8 flashes very rapidly.  Any idea what this means?X  K A 4000-90 as in a VAXstation 4000-90? In that case it might want a keyboardiE and mouse attached as well as a monitor (depending on how S3 is set).g   >sI > Another piece is a 3100-38.  It appears to have a SCSI connector on the-F > back, but a broad, narrow one (talking about the physical dimensionsJ > here) with small pins.  Will this work with DEC SCSI disks from the sameJ > error (keeping in mind the 1.07 GB limitation for a boot disk) if I have > the appropriate connector? >dL Phillip, broad and narrow with pins like a very large DB25 connector or like a Centronics connector?o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:15:17 GMTr1 From: Hugo Villeneuve <harpagon@jwales.EINTR.net>n) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100AS7 Message-ID: <e73ef3b6a91d4f0c3e806d1176c5cd5b@TeraNews>t  T In article <ba8a9l$sr3$1@online.de>, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > H > One piece is a 4000-100A.  It apparently has a DSSI controller as wellG > as a SCSI controller.  There is a DSSI disk and a SCSI CD inside.  ItV7 > has a HUGE connection block on the back with a 50-pinaF > Centronics---presumably SCSI---as well as male and female connectorsJ > with three rows of pins (otherwise about the same size as the CentronicsG > connector) and three male plugs which look like the small 50 (or 68?) H > pin SCSI connectors but almost certainly aren't.  It came with a BA350E > with a cable connecting it to one of the small plugs.  In the BA350bG > there is some sort of module which I suspect is a DSSI-SCSI converterdC > (since almost certainly only SCSI disks can go into the BA 350). r >   @ If it helps, Chuck's has pictures of his 4000/100A online with a commented connector picture.  > http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen/vax4000-100a.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:26:14 +0100l) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> ) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A & Message-ID: <3EC7FA76.5080506@iee.org>   Phillip Helbig wrote: H > One piece is a 4000-100A.  It apparently has a DSSI controller as wellG > as a SCSI controller.  There is a DSSI disk and a SCSI CD inside.  Ite7 > has a HUGE connection block on the back with a 50-pin0F > Centronics---presumably SCSI---as well as male and female connectors  > The VAX 4000-100A and the MicroVAX 3100-90 (IIRC) are the same? mainboard but in different cases; the mainboard in the 100A hass? been told (via the commadn that tells it its id) that it shouldc@ activate the DSSI and Q-bus support. There is no internal Q-bus,= instead you get to connect via a particular extender cable to : an external Q-bus cab. One of those external connectors is7 the Q-bus expansion connector. I've never played with aR5 4000-100A but I suspect that the big connector is it.86 If you cannot find the owner's manual, let me know and7 I'll track it down; I'm sure it's on the web somewhere.a  K > Anyway, the default boot device is non-existent.  When I tell it to boot aJ > from the DSSI disk inside, it comes up saying VMS 5.5-2H4, asks for the G > date and time and then says it has booted standalone backup!  I then 'D > have a "$" prompt, but it's not a DCL prompt.  Probably it is the I > standalone-backup prompt, since BACKUP seems to be the only command it  
 > recognises.  > J > I'm not very familiar with standalone backup.  Does anyone know if thereJ > is anyway to tell whether the DSSI disk inside is bootable and if so howI > to boot from it (from the console prompt) rather than have it boot intou > standalone backup? h  > Well if you've booted SABKP, then you've definitely booted off= a bootable device. Since you told it to boot from a DSSI diskp> and you ended up in SABKP it seems reasonable to conclude that* the internal DSSI disk is indeed bootable!  5 When SABKP comes up it should list all the devices ite5 knows about. Other than either restoring, creating ore, listing a backup saveset, it cannot do much.  < You could see if the console variable BFLAGS (I think that's< the one ... try HELP SET and see) has been set. But it would> be unusual to have a machine set to default boot into anything other than a fully-fledged OS.    E > Another piece is a 4000-90.  At power up, the four LEDs on the leftiI > (1--4) stay lit all the time.  At first, the leftmost two in the group  J > on the right (5--6) stay lit, then 5 stays on while 6 goes out, 7 comes I > up and stays lit and 8 flashes very rapidly.  Any idea what this means?h  G That one is not listed in the Owner's manual. I have the service guide  E somewhere, but not to hand. You might try hooking up a VT terminal toS@ the printer port on the read (I think either the DB25 or the MMJD will work - my recollection is that they are the same interface withE two styles of external port) and flick up S3 at the front (under the x% flap). That might give you more info.e  J > Another piece is a 3100-38.  It appears to have a SCSI connector on the G > back, but a broad, narrow one (talking about the physical dimensions  K > here) with small pins.  Will this work with DEC SCSI disks from the same  K > error (keeping in mind the 1.07 GB limitation for a boot disk) if I have h > the appropriate connector?  B I've had much more modern disks work in those (assuming a 1997-era& 1GB IBM SCSI disk counts as "modern").   Antonioh   --     --   ----------------- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgm   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2003 12:36:46 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)3 Subject: Re: New VMS logo ?g= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305181136.5735c142@posting.google.com>g  B While I am not aware of any new art for VMS, it sure sounds like ID would like this one.  HP's color is blue and they use squares in the# templates (we call them chicklets).   
 Warm Regards,d Sue         ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3EC79C88.AC67689A@fsi.net>... > Dirk Munk wrote: > > J > > A couple of days ago we had a session with some HP reps. They had someR > > powerpoint presentations, and there I noticed a new OpenVMS logo, although theM > > idea is not new. It looks like the old Digital logo, but now with HP blueR, > > squares instead of Digital burgundy red. > > D > > I wonder if this is a new official logo, maybe Sue can tell us ? > . > ...like the one at http://www.openvms.org/ ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:37:43 +0200o From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: New VMS logo ?l2 Message-ID: <ba8r2s$u9a$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Dirk Munk wrote: > H >>A couple of days ago we had a session with some HP reps. They had someP >>powerpoint presentations, and there I noticed a new OpenVMS logo, although theK >>idea is not new. It looks like the old Digital logo, but now with HP blue * >>squares instead of Digital burgundy red. >>B >>I wonder if this is a new official logo, maybe Sue can tell us ? >  > . > ...like the one at http://www.openvms.org/ ? > M Yes indeed, very similar. It would be nice if this would become the official yM OpenVMS logo. At the moment we have to do without any offical logo, and that tJ looks a bit shabby on the HP OpenVMS web pages and other OpenVMS material.   Or should we add a shark ??O   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT)f. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: New VMS logo ?o@ Message-ID: <20030518215706.43128.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  B These HP Rep copied my idea from a few threads ago in this list ! A I want my royalties ! :-) I am saying about using the OpenVMS.orgeD logo as a official OpenVMS logo for a long time ! And the shark too.A May be restylized ... the old VMS shark was a Corel Draw template A if I remember ! If Linux  has the pengiu and MS the Bugs, why note use the Shark ?  l  * PS: Shark is an IBM storage product too !    Regardss   FC a# --- Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:c > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > Dirk Munk wrote: > > J > >>A couple of days ago we had a session with some HP reps. They had someN > >>powerpoint presentations, and there I noticed a new OpenVMS logo, although > thevM > >>idea is not new. It looks like the old Digital logo, but now with HP bluew, > >>squares instead of Digital burgundy red. > >>D > >>I wonder if this is a new official logo, maybe Sue can tell us ? > >  > > 0 > > ...like the one at http://www.openvms.org/ ? > > O > Yes indeed, very similar. It would be nice if this would become the official .O > OpenVMS logo. At the moment we have to do without any offical logo, and that aL > looks a bit shabby on the HP OpenVMS web pages and other OpenVMS material. >  > Or should we add a shark ??- >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?. The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:44:17 +0200e+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>uI Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!r5 Message-ID: <ba8urk$qfrh3$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   I You are absolutely right. But the Eniac would have won that contest handsr down.o2 But you weren't serious in the first place, right?  8 "bob smith" <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> schreef in bericht) news:3EC7A629.4080803@bellatlantic.net...t? And there are no hits on any fault related to TOPS10 or TOPS20.7     Bob Ceculski wrote:c4 > well Andrew, these are official gov't numbers that2 > definitively prove OpenVMS is the most secure OS > in the world ... > * > http://www.sans.org/rr/start/openvms.php >e6 > here's a paragragh with those results from the above
 > article ...m >h > How Secure is VMS? >nG > Before anything else, I would like capture your attention by startingoG > with a subjective indicator of how secure VMS really is. To date, thenB > U.S Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory CapabilityH > (DOE-CIAC) lists a total of 22 VMS security advisories; of these, onlyE > 3 have been issued since November 1994. A search of CERT advisorieseD > with keywords VMS, VAX, or OpenVMS yielded a total of less than 25G > unique advisories whereas Solaris yielded 266, Linux 313, and Windowse > 451 respectively.u >cB > More recently, several members from the Dallas-Fort Worth CompaqE > User's Group (DFWCUG), one of the most active local VMS user groupsaH > nationwide, entered a bastion host Alpha box running VMS into the 2001C > DEFCON hackers Mecca. The VMS box was game to 5000+ hackers whose C > objective was to hack the various boxes entered in the contest inyG > order to score points. According to Opcom's report of the events "The F > VMS machine on the Green team was configured with Apache web server.E > As we are aware, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. Whileo@ > many other boxes in the room, mostly Unix, Linux, and forms ofB > windows, and even a Macintosh, were compromised and subsequentlyD > attended to by their masters, the VMS system remained intact". TheE > article closes with "During the closing session at 4 PM Sunday, the E > Ghetto Hackers, which are the most respected and skillful, gave the G > Green team props' because our stuff stayed up and our root' was thetH > only one they did not get. We consider this a positive note and a high8 > compliment, coming from this well-accomplished group". >lC > In summary, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. Of equal D > importance, however, is the care and meticulous attention most VMSH > System Administrators pay towards the security management of their box > or cluster of boxes.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 May 2003 18:00:41 -0700. From: CSABAH@ZIPWORLD.COM.AU (CSABA HARANGOZO)I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!t< Message-ID: <a020b96.0305181700.22279b18@posting.google.com>  m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0305180613.4c460536@posting.google.com>...C4 > well Andrew, these are official gov't numbers that2 > definitively prove OpenVMS is the most secure OS > in the world ...   > * > http://www.sans.org/rr/start/openvms.php    B   Good article, although they described DEC as Digital Electronics$   Corporation, more than once... :-(=                                               Cheers,   Csabah   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:40:48 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER). Subject: Re: Running VWS software on X-windows4 Message-ID: <kKVxa.93805$_b1.1009857@news.chello.at>  V In article <3EC48522.31A673DD@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:I >A software emulator is now available that makes running VWS applications N >possible on VAXstation 3100 systems with SPX high-speed graphics modules. TheK >software emulator (VAXuisx) is contained in the VWS 4.3 Kit (QA-A96AA-H*).. >>K >Has anyone ever used it ? Does this mean that one could again run the Moon2 >lander game ??????-  E Yes and yes. But I was more interested in running SIGHT at this time.yD The Simple Interactive Graphics Handling Tool was an object-orientedJ graphical editor included in VWS and I did some building plans with SIGHT.  H btw: Does anyone know of a free object-oriented graphical editor for VMS (or if not, for Win32) ?   -- - Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER,% Network and OpenVMS system specialisty E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:20:56 -0700/# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>2; Subject: RE: WHICH command (was: Error message help needed) 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEIAHDAA.tom@kednos.com>e  . Well that all sounds kind of easy, sort of :-)   >-----Original Message------7 >From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]e# >Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:48 AMg >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: WHICH command (was: Error message help needed) >t >p >Tom Linden wrote: >> fI >> Actually, this is getting too complicated.  I think all that is needed F >> is the ability to -easily- locate the particular executable in some@ >> reasonable fashion, whether it is in the command -, symbol -,C >> logical tables or otherwise using the same precendence rules as r >the commandH >> interpreter.  And it doesn't have to be 100%  -  at least not for me. >> bH >> I am sure a DCL wizard could knock that out in short order.  ( hint ) >CH >....except that to examine the command tables in DCL, one must save andG >then parse the output of VERB. Very CPU-time consuming and kinda messyv >to do.t >sD >DEFINITELY doable, but I'd question the long term value. A simpler,9 >somewhat cleaner proc. could be easily cooked up, given:e >nB >1. A search-list logical name, DIRECTORY will easily tell where aB >selected file will be found, and in what order. F$SEARCH() is the >lexical equivalent, sort of.t >nG >2. If SHOW LOGICAL DCL$PATH returns "no translation for logical name",iC >then the file is not being found by that method. F$TRNLNM() is theoI >lexical equivalent of SHOW LOGICAL, sort of. If DCL$PATH is DEFINEd, buteB >DIRECTORY DCL$PATH:filespec returns "no files found", then you'reH >probably looking at verb in the command table. Again, F$SEARCH() is the+ >lexical equivalent, sort of, to DIRECTORY.y >0@ >3. If DCL complains about "unrecognized command verb", then the, >conclusion is the input was likely garbage. > I >4. Using DCL$PATH, DCL appears to search first for a matching .COM, thenm >for a matching .EXE.o > H >No real wizardry is involved. The rest is left as a DCL coding exercise >for the reader. >  >Bonus question: >mC >Assuming DCL$PATH is not DEFINEd, how can DCL be made to find youreI >resulting WHICH.COM, regardless of the current default device/directory?s >w >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/e >i) >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:f  >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >t >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).4A >Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 5/12/2003  >  ---s& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 5/12/2003   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.275 ************************