1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 276       Contents: "very" dynamic library Re: "very" dynamic library Re: "very" dynamic library Re: "very" dynamic library4 Re: "very" dynamic library (merged image activation) Re: as2100 inside pictures CSWS 1.3 CGI question  Re: CSWS 1.3 CGI question  cxxlink 6.5 0 Re: DCL$PATH (was Re: Error message help needed)$ Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS?( Re: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS? Re: DFU question RE: Dynamic Load Balaner Re: Dynamic Load Balaner Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Fre AUI cables# Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro # Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro # Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro # Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro < Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd RE: How small can VMS get ?  Re: How small can VMS get ?  Re: How small can VMS get ?  Re: How small can VMS get ? , Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp job Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1 Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1 Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1 Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1, HP trying to dump VMS?  EV8 soon in itanium!3 Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign # Re: Hyperthreading to save itanium? + More OpenVMS VAX and Alpha OS+SPL auctions. 1 Re: Motif: how to add Mozilla icon to .html files 1 Re: Motif: how to add Mozilla icon to .html files   Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A Re: New VMS logo ?@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down! Reminder - VAX Survey 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!  Sun Buyout article from NYT $ TCPIP: IMAP dies on VAX at 5.3 ECO-2 TK70 tape compatibility  Re: TK70 tape compatibility  Re: TK70 tape compatibility , [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:57:36 +0200 7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>  Subject: "very" dynamic library / Message-ID: <baa6a3$fj2$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>    Hello,  E I've got problem that isn't trivial for me. I hope you know solution.   H My colleague asked me about feature similar to (or even identical) UNIX F dlopen on VMS. He needs to use in software libraries that isn't known C during linking. Is it possible? I suppose that mozilla on VMS uses  ? similar mechanism (for example to add Macromedia Flash plugin).      Robert Trawinski   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:04:14 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk># Subject: Re: "very" dynamic library , Message-ID: <baadng$10gi@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  D "Robert Trawinski" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in message) news:baa6a3$fj2$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl...   I > My colleague asked me about feature similar to (or even identical) UNIX G > dlopen on VMS. He needs to use in software libraries that isn't known D > during linking. Is it possible? I suppose that mozilla on VMS usesA > similar mechanism (for example to add Macromedia Flash plugin).   ? The C library has included dlopen since VMS 7.2. There are also M various Unix compatibility libraries around, including those used by Mozilla: D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/porting_relnotes.html  D and also the GNV project: http://gnv.sourceforge.net/ If you need to= backport dlopen, referring to the source there may be useful.   D Your colleague may also need to refer to the LINKer manual on how to create shareable images.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 05:32:38 -0700) From: jbrankin@ntlworld.com (Jim Brankin) # Subject: Re: "very" dynamic library = Message-ID: <863f19d6.0305190432.1258fafd@posting.google.com>   n Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in message news:<baa6a3$fj2$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>... > Hello, > G > I've got problem that isn't trivial for me. I hope you know solution.  > J > My colleague asked me about feature similar to (or even identical) UNIX H > dlopen on VMS. He needs to use in software libraries that isn't known E > during linking. Is it possible? I suppose that mozilla on VMS uses  A > similar mechanism (for example to add Macromedia Flash plugin).  >  >  > Robert Trawinski  L LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL is what he is looking for. He should build a shareable, image and can then link that in at run time.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 07:13:38 -07001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) # Subject: Re: "very" dynamic library = Message-ID: <477e0934.0305190613.3a8d5fd3@posting.google.com>   n Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> wrote in message news:<baa6a3$fj2$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>... > Hello, > G > I've got problem that isn't trivial for me. I hope you know solution.  > J > My colleague asked me about feature similar to (or even identical) UNIX H > dlopen on VMS. He needs to use in software libraries that isn't known E > during linking. Is it possible? I suppose that mozilla on VMS uses  A > similar mechanism (for example to add Macromedia Flash plugin).  >  >   2 I'm no unix expert, but on VMS there is a command:   lib$find_image_symbol   B which dynamically activates the supplied library, and searches the? exposed function/data list for the supplied symbol, returning a  pointer.  
 joshua lehrer  factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 06:11:14 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: "very" dynamic library (merged image activation) 3 Message-ID: <BhUBMprvFDLV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <baa6a3$fj2$1@bozon2.softax.com.pl>, Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> writes:   J > My colleague asked me about feature similar to (or even identical) UNIX H > dlopen on VMS. He needs to use in software libraries that isn't known  > during linking.   8 The corresponding VMS support is LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL .  G If you happen to be programming in C, dlopen, dlsym, etc. make a series H of calls to LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, but since the semantics are differentG the mapping is not exact.  You are better off reading and understanding G the documentation for the LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL routine and using that.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:46:06 +0200 / From: Roland Barmettler <spamsink@crapmail.com> # Subject: Re: as2100 inside pictures ; Message-ID: <20030519114606.442d60ae.spamsink@crapmail.com>    Hi Ed   A > You're PHP interface to MONITOR is very nice. Something you put & > together or was it found on the web?  > No, I've put it together myself. It's quite easy actually. :-)8 If you'd like to have the sources, you can contact me at roli (at) barmettler (dot) net   Cheers, Roland   --" %SYSTEM-W-MNDYMRNG, monday morning   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:57:30 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: CSWS 1.3 CGI question8 Message-ID: <%w4ya.529$eo1.126223@news20.bellglobal.com>  J I'm running CSWS 1.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1 with TCPware 5.6 and here's what I'm
 trying to do:   F Upon accessing a webpage, the client is required to enter a username +L password (validated against SYSUAF). When the user clicks a submit button, I run a DCL-based CGI program.   Here's my problem:  @ I want the CGI program to access the username entered during theN authentication process. Page 287 of "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU and WASD" statesN that environment variables "HTTP_AUTHORIZATION" and/or "REMOTE_USER" should beN accessible to the CGI but I haven't been able to see any data in either one of these symbols.  K Is there something I need to add to the configuration files to enable these N fields? Has anyone written a DCL-based CGI to view an authenticated user name?  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:31:05 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>" Subject: Re: CSWS 1.3 CGI question* Message-ID: <3ec8ee4d@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ? The script must be running with security also. ie the AuthType, L AuthAuthoritative and AuthName etc must be the same for the script directory and H the original page name. If not the remote_user etc isn't passed through.   -warren    --  K --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM) B Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comK 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.com . Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48755    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself *          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------     4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message2 news:%w4ya.529$eo1.126223@news20.bellglobal.com...L > I'm running CSWS 1.3 on OpenVMS 7.3-1 with TCPware 5.6 and here's what I'm > trying to do:  > H > Upon accessing a webpage, the client is required to enter a username +L > password (validated against SYSUAF). When the user clicks a submit button, I  > run a DCL-based CGI program. >  > Here's my problem: > B > I want the CGI program to access the username entered during theI > authentication process. Page 287 of "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU and WASD"  statesF > that environment variables "HTTP_AUTHORIZATION" and/or "REMOTE_USER"	 should be I > accessible to the CGI but I haven't been able to see any data in either  one of > these symbols. > G > Is there something I need to add to the configuration files to enable  these J > fields? Has anyone written a DCL-based CGI to view an authenticated user name?  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ : > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 08:29:13 -07001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)  Subject: cxxlink 6.5= Message-ID: <477e0934.0305190729.2fd36c00@posting.google.com>   D Does anyone have any experience with cxxlink v6.5?  We are trying toC migrate over from cxx6.2 to cxx6.5 and are finding that image sizes  have grown by around 15%.   D Through testing, we have determined that we do not believe the imageC size growth is due to more aggresive inlining, but it appears to be  due to the new linker.  C The "Object Module Synopsis" found in the MAP files lists many more D modules under 6.5 as compared to 6.2  All of these "new" modules areD found in libcxxstd.olb, including, for example, "RTTI", "BAD_ALLOC",' "STDEXCEPT", "SET_NW_HNDLR_P64", etc...   > We are using all of the same compiler and linker flags on bothB platforms, 6.2 and 6.5 (except that the 6.5 linker now defaults to? /model=ansi, which we need to switch to /model=arm to match our  compiler setting).  3 Does anyone have any ideas or experience with this?    Thanks  
 joshua lehrer  factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:50:12 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> 9 Subject: Re: DCL$PATH (was Re: Error message help needed) , Message-ID: <3EC88CB4.2050803@tg.nsw.gov.au>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Paddy O'Brien wrote: >  >>David J. Dachtera wrote: >>H >>>The logical name DCL$PATH (which is optional - it can be setup at theH >>>system-wide level (NEVER recommended, IMO), group (less of a bugaboo,I >>>but still only recommended with great caution), job (a little better), 4 >>>process (probably most common usage), etc. level. >>I >>Why do you suggest that system level should NEVER be recommended?  What + >>problems or risks can this create? [snip]  >  > G > From what I snipped, looks like you've done it "right". I'd make sure I > that $.COM has no delete access in any part of the protection mask, and H > I'd make sure that the version is ;32767 to h4elp ensure that it can't > be over-written. > G > For other readers, I'd also caution aginst letting $.COM simply be an H > empty file. If anyone does find a way to over-ride the protection maskI > and append malicious code, you could end up in the same boat with other C > systems that get hacked by an internal perp. Let $.COM be an EXIT J > statement. Period. Make sure the protection mask denies delete and write7 > access to all users. Make sure the version is ;32767.  > F > If anyone else knows how to make it even more secure, your posts are > welcome, as always.  > G Somewhere or somewhen you might have to trust someone.  Me for a start   on our systems.   H The whole directory structure that I described for our applications and I utilities (the latter using DCL$PATH) is controlled by ACLs and granting  J of rights.  This means that any new versions are flagged by our user name.  I Other new versions by SYSTEM or some such low level group are flagged by  I   the top level account name (an account created whereby the password is  + unknown unless we change it -- more trust).   G The people who have access to the privileged accounts are the same two  I of us who are developers; before "natural attrition" -- not re-employing  G vacant jobs, we were a group of six.  (We have one other developer who  H does not have any access to SYSTEM.  His file changes must be vetted by F us before they go into CMS or we find other files changed that we are " unaware of.  Backup if necessary.)  C I run processes nightly that highlight any file changes with their  B owner.  My colleague and I can quiz each other as to what we have = changed.  Any files changed by anyone other than us are also  I highlighted.  Though most of the time we discuss code changes between us.   H My production system only picks up files from the development system if A the owner is still one of us and the date has changed, including   backward changes.   B I feel that this is the best security that I can conceive on this I generic account.  But it means that Nick and I have to trust each other,  ; whether in our development capacity or our SYSTEM capacity.    Regards, Paddy  H P.S. David thanks for the advice re $EXIT.  I had only created my S.COM ; with a comment as to why it was there.  32767 already done.       G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  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TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 06:00:32 -0700% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) - Subject: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS? = Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0305190500.782a32e0@posting.google.com>   B Where can I get the installation kit on a CD or DDS tape or on the web?  F Or can I just copy files from an existing system where the software is) installed without bothering with the kit.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 08:12:39 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org1 Subject: Re: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS? 3 Message-ID: <KucVpB4WKp01@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <ea44f5a1.0305190500.782a32e0@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes: D > Where can I get the installation kit on a CD or DDS tape or on the > web? > H > Or can I just copy files from an existing system where the software is+ > installed without bothering with the kit.   D All you need to make a DECserver 700 work is a copy of the DECserverA software, e.g. SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]WWENG2.SYS stored someplace C where it can be downloaded on demand by the DECserver at boot time.   C And, of course, you need to configure your load host (BOOTP or MOP) ! with the appropriate information.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:35:55 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: DFU question 4 Message-ID: <baa8i0$6hi$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   John Brandon wrote: Q > Since you guys introduced me to the freeware of DFU I have some basic questions 5 > about the package.  Specifically the DEFRAG option.  > ; > Has anyone had problems with it?  Namely file corruption?  > ; > Run it against all file types (*.*.*) or typically ASCII?  > L > Are there any drives or file types that would not be a good idea to run it+ > againts?  System drive?  Pathworks?  etc.   B I've never had any problems, but I seem to recall a release which I mentioned fixing possible file corruption. I've got DFU ALP 2.7-1, built   23-Mar-2000.   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:16:43 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ! Subject: RE: Dynamic Load Balaner T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF403FB5DEE@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Cindy,  @ Re: Touch Technologies and their product offerings like DLB -=20  
 Reference:1 http://www.ttinet.com/products.html (scroll down)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Cindy Steinmetz [mailto:steinmetz@uindy.edu]=20  > Sent: May 18, 2003 10:46 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Dynamic Load Balaner  >=20 >=20	 > Hi All,  >=20< > Does anyone know if the VMS tuning product Dynamic Load=20 > Balancer (once=20 J > sold by Touch Technologies) is still around somewhere and if so how I=20 > contact the current vendor?  >=20	 > Thanks.  >=20 > --=20  > Cindy Steinmetz / > Director of Administrative Computing Services  > University of Indianapolis > 1400 E. Hanna Avenue > Indianapolis, IN 46227 >=20 > Phone:   (317) 788-3361  > FAX:     (317) 788-3300  > E-Mail:  steinmetz@uindy.edu >=20A > ''I'd rather be a 'could be' if I cannot be an 'are,' because a A > could-be is a maybe who is reaching for a star. I'd rather be a B > has-been than a 'might-have-been,' by far; for a might-have-beenB > has never been, but a 'has' was once an are.'' - Milton Berle=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:47:26 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)! Subject: Re: Dynamic Load Balaner 1 Message-ID: <03051911472635@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   F We ran DLB on our VAX cluster and found no improvement in performance.  J During the Y2K event, we installed the RAXCO products, however we ran intoO server lockup during the operation of the Performance Suite product.  I believe - this was fixed and no other problems with it.   A Depending on your need, you might want to check them out as well: 
 www.raxco.com     N I did question VMS engineers at DFW-DAYS (DECUS) about comparitive performanceN between RAXCO's products and XFC.  The response was XFC kicks ass - my version of what I heard.  L If you are on a VAX then issue may be mute, however if you are running AlphaH then why not upgrade to V7.3 and utilize the performance enhancements???       John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 05:42:55 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305190442.5ee3e932@posting.google.com>   p paul_hallam@hotmail.com (Paul Hallam) wrote in message news:<5ed44bd3.0305150051.6b0cadb1@posting.google.com>...F > Does anyone know of any current supported firewall software for VMS.E > I know there was a product a few years ago but I get the impression 6 > that Compaq/HP aren't interested in resurrecting it. > / > If you use the TRU64 version is it any good ?  > 
 > Paul HAllam   7 Multinet and TCPware both have packet filtering as part 6 of the IP stack, if that is what you are asking for in a firewall ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 06:05:33 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Fre AUI cables % Message-ID: <3EC8D69D.50301@MMaz.com>   G If anyone is in the Detroit Metro area and is interested, or could use  G free, AUI cables (about a dozen) of various lengths from a couple feet  I to the range of  30 or 40 feet, give me a ring at 734-429-4773 otherwise    by Wednesday, I'm pitching them.  I If you want them shipped elsewhere, it'll have to be on your account and  I all I can say is that they just be thrown into a box, taped, labeled and   shipped.  Nothing fancy.   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:21:17 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>, Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro0 Message-ID: <CFN377605063994213@news.cup.hp.com>  H On 16 May 2003 10:02:08 -0700 daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson) wrote:  H >> I believe the US Chapter known as Encompass-US accepts non-US membersJ >> for purposes of the hobbyist license. Didn't check into that, though... >>   >> http://www.encompassus.com/ >>   > E > Yes, that is correct, Encommpass-US accepts non-US citizens, and if H > the only reason is to get a hobbyist license the Associate option is a > good alternative.  > 1 > http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html     M Thanks, this seems to be the way. However, the "free" hobbyists license then  H costs $135 ($90 for US citizens), which is not that bad for me, but for M students or other kind of let-me-try users it's still too much when compared   to Linux or BSD..    Jirka    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:25:30 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) , Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro+ Message-ID: <baabep$cl8$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   Y In article <CFN377605063994213@news.cup.hp.com>, Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> writes: I >On 16 May 2003 10:02:08 -0700 daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson) wrote:  > I >>> I believe the US Chapter known as Encompass-US accepts non-US members K >>> for purposes of the hobbyist license. Didn't check into that, though...  >>>  >>> http://www.encompassus.com/  >>>  >>  F >> Yes, that is correct, Encommpass-US accepts non-US citizens, and ifI >> the only reason is to get a hobbyist license the Associate option is a  >> good alternative. >>  2 >> http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html >  > N >Thanks, this seems to be the way. However, the "free" hobbyists license then I >costs $135 ($90 for US citizens), which is not that bad for me, but for  N >students or other kind of let-me-try users it's still too much when compared  >to Linux or BSD..   >   I I think you are looking at the wrong part of the page. The $135 is for an H international individual membership ie a full member but based overseas.  K What you want is at the bottom of the page an associate membership which is  "complimentary" ie free.M I believe that this is available to non-US citizens even though the form does K have a mandatory field labeled "State:" (but then so does the form which is K used both for normal and international members - which suggests you can put  almost anything in there).G Associate membership allows you to participate in the hobbyist program.       
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >Jirka   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 07:55:18 -0700) From: daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson) , Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro= Message-ID: <de4cfd03.0305190655.34b0fbf2@posting.google.com>   ^ Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> wrote in message news:<CFN377605063994213@news.cup.hp.com>...J > On 16 May 2003 10:02:08 -0700 daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson) wrote: > J > >> I believe the US Chapter known as Encompass-US accepts non-US membersL > >> for purposes of the hobbyist license. Didn't check into that, though... > >>    > >> http://www.encompassus.com/ > >>   > > G > > Yes, that is correct, Encommpass-US accepts non-US citizens, and if J > > the only reason is to get a hobbyist license the Associate option is a > > good alternative.  > > 3 > > http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html  >  > O > Thanks, this seems to be the way. However, the "free" hobbyists license then  J > costs $135 ($90 for US citizens), which is not that bad for me, but for O > students or other kind of let-me-try users it's still too much when compared   > to Linux or BSD..  >  > Jirka   L You only need to be an Associate (Non-Member), which does not cost anything.   -- Daniel Gustafsson D http://developer.mimer.se - DBMS with optimistic concurrency control   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:24:36 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>, Subject: Re: Hobbyist kit vs Standard distro0 Message-ID: <CFN377607169910069@news.cup.hp.com>  O On Mon, 19 May 2003 10:25:30 +0000 (UTC) david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)   wrote:   > K > I think you are looking at the wrong part of the page. The $135 is for an J > international individual membership ie a full member but based overseas. > M > What you want is at the bottom of the page an associate membership which is  > "complimentary" ie free.O > I believe that this is available to non-US citizens even though the form does M > have a mandatory field labeled "State:" (but then so does the form which is M > used both for normal and international members - which suggests you can put  > almost anything in there).I > Associate membership allows you to participate in the hobbyist program.  >     ! Yup, good news. Thanks you, guys.    Jirka    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:18:20 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> E Subject: Re: How Alpha will save Itanium - must reading for Bill Todd 0 Message-ID: <baai2f$nef$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:a > In article <ovqcndxS1b2GNCGjXTWcog@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  >  >  > : >>"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message >  > 9 >>>Additionally, HP has the highest 4-CPU result on tpmC:  >>L >>Quite likely only because IBM doesn't bother submitting scores for systemsL >>that small.  If their 32-processor system scaled perfectly linearly then aK >>4-processor version would yield a score of over 85,000 tpmC, so take your 	 >>choice:  >  >  > E > http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_result_detail.asp?id=103042401  > 8 > 	85000 tpmC is a lot less than 121000.  So even if IBM; > 	were to submit a 4 CPU result (not sure - the IBM config B > 	describes 8-way MCM.  Not sure if the p690 goes down to 4-way). >   A An 8 way multi-chip module always has 8 CPU's and its the minimum  building block for a P670/690.  ? That said you can buy a P690HPC which has 4 of the 8 turned off < to give the other 4 2x the L2 and 2x the L3 cache. You still" have 8 CPU's in the system though.  A For SPECint and SPECfp IBM turn off all but 1 of the CPU's giving > the remaining CPU 2x the L2 and 128 MB of L3 cache. This isn't= against SPEC rules but makes the P690 single CPU SPEC numbers  meaningless.   >  > > >> either close to linear scaling to large processor counts isN >>possible in this benchmark, which means that SuperDome's scalability is justM >>as lousy as a cursory glance makes it appear to be, or the new POWER4+s are ? >>likely faster in a 4-processor configuration than Madison is.  >> >  > ; > 	Not at all.  You would like to believe that.  Power4+ is = > 	obviously less powerful than Madison in 4 CPU configs (if  H > 	a comparison could be made - not sure) and more expensive.  An 8-way ; > 	MCM lists for $350000 in the p690 config at tpmC.   Each D > 	additional Madison in HP's listing goes for $9900.  Now obviously; > 	this is high-end versus low-end and that is a recipe for > > 	disaster when comparing.  That said, I don't see IBM's p690= > 	prices getting knocked back as much when shifting to 4-way  > 	configs.   @ Comparing an MCM with a single Madison core is rather pointless.  @ The MCM has components that HP include in the CELL board for the? SuperDome (not on the IA-64) which measn that you are comparing ? apples with oranges from a price standpoint. You are better off 8 comparing the cost of 8 madison CPU's and 2 CELL boards.     > F >>>http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_result_detail.asp?id=103042401 >>> $ >>>121000 tpmC.   At $4.97 per tpmC. >>> @ >>>So all you have left is "$ per metric" and of course cheering: >>>on IBM and Opteron - never acknowledging your circle is >>>getting tighter.  >>> = >>>Oh... at $4.97 per tpmC for that 4 processor Madison, your 9 >>>"$ per metric" argument is looking a bit weak at that.  >>N >>Not really, Rob:  if you're looking at small systems and are cost-conscious,< >>then the 4-processor Opteron at $2.76 per tpmC is for you. >> >  > > > 	Well that's a nice whitebox number with decent performance. > @ > 	So you do still have "$ per metric" argument - Opteron versus > 	Madison.  Reviewing:  > . > 	Madison is considerably more powerful than: > $ > 		Opteron in TPC-C, SAP SD, SpecFp@ > 		Power4 same but add SpecInt - for low CPU count comparisons. >   = Currently Opteron is limited by only having a 32bit Microsoft < OS and DBMS for the TPC-C benchmark. When Datacenter 2003 64< bit ships later this year you should see a better comparison1 between a 64 bit DBMS/OS/CPU combo on both sides.   = SuSe 64 bit is available for Opteron now so you may see Linux  based results earlier.  < > 	Who is to say a Madison box isn't lurking in the wings to@ > 	make 32-64 CPU results higher?  Hein basically hints at that: > a > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3E63CCD2.9A6E9124%40eps.zko.dec.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain  > K > "What the Itanium and it's follow ups needs is a good large SMP SYSTEM to I > be put in and flourish and a good OS and DB to get everything out of it I > that is potentially in there. Obviously HP is working on such solutions - > but I can not say when/where/how-many-CPUs.  >   > However SuperDome clearly isn't it. So what do HP have waiting< in the wings and if there is something why would anynone buy a Dome ????   B > 	Want to get a feel for Alphas fate hadn't it been knifed?  Look@ > 	at Sun and IBM over the next 2-3 years.  Seriously retreatingE > 	to the high-end.  Madison and follow-ons going to meet them there.  >    Ohh.  ? So why have we just announced a range of Intel priced 1U and 2U  SPARC machines ??    Heard of the V210/240.  @ I would also suggest that you read about Suns CMT program before, you commit stuff like this to the newsgroup.  = The first CMT processor from Sun is being designed for Blades  and workgroup servers.  ; IBM are also producing a power reduced cost reduced Power 4 - core based system to address the same market.   1 Hardly evidence that both vendors are in retreat.   8 In fact given the thermals and price the most likely end0 point for Itanium is water cooled mainframes :-)   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 07:36:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: RE: How small can VMS get ?3 Message-ID: <w1qdZ1EE6$ET@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEEMHDAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:s >  >>-----Original Message-----D >>From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] >>L >>   VMS has (and has always had) a complex preemptable multithreaded kernelJ >>   which is capabale of both timesharing and realtime operations.  HP-UXL >>   has a BSD kernel which was designed for and although hacked up somewhatJ >>   for multithreadedness, is still only good for timesharing operations. >  > Was it not based on OSF? >   E    HP-UX predates, and is not based on, OSF.  HP had a separate OSF/1sF    product for a few months that didn't sell.  They now have OSF based)    Tru64, which they're planning to dump.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 07:37:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e$ Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?3 Message-ID: <Qv0PXlCJpLEg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <Pine.GSO.4.53L-031.0305161108110.2180@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>, Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > M > hpux and aix drew some bits from OSF but are both basically sysV derivants.tC > OSF is based on Mach, which can have RT capabilities, but anybody A > who has actually seen RTmach knows what a pig it is. DEC really < > did work wonders making a really decent os on top of mach.& > hpux is certainly _not_ BSD derived. > 	 > Isildure  6    HP-UX has a SVID interface, but a BSD based kernel.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 07:39:48 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y$ Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?3 Message-ID: <ALoTiVXWHhPJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>!  n In article <7500353b.0305182109.340ff289@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:J >>    You can add a timesharing option on top of a lot of realtime OS, butE >>    you'll never emulate the realtime capabilities of VMS on top ofb >>    HP-UX. > E > That may be true although I dont recall it being very good on that.TF > However, how many of VMS applications are real-time and woud HP keep4 > VMS as it is now for real-time applications only ?  H    Most of our VMS applications are real-time.  VMS hasn't been marketedG    to this area for about a decade, but the kernel still has the design:    that makes it work.  H > VMS is rather large for that area, its monolithic and it has excessiveB > weight for rt-programming. What better does it offer compared to > modern rt os'ses ?  B    It's a hell of a lot easier to program than most of them.  ManyE    current real-time OS stand on POSIX asynch I/O, which has holes ino    the API.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:07:10 +0100mO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a$ Subject: Re: How small can VMS get ?0 Message-ID: <baaku5$ohp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:a > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEEMHDAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:a >  >>>-----Original Message-----aE >>>From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]t >>>iL >>>  VMS has (and has always had) a complex preemptable multithreaded kernelJ >>>  which is capabale of both timesharing and realtime operations.  HP-UXL >>>  has a BSD kernel which was designed for and although hacked up somewhatJ >>>  for multithreadedness, is still only good for timesharing operations. >> >>Was it not based on OSF? >> >  > G >    HP-UX predates, and is not based on, OSF.  HP had a separate OSF/1nH >    product for a few months that didn't sell.  They now have OSF based+ >    Tru64, which they're planning to dump.t >   ? That was the great joke about OSF, the two biggest protagonistse> of OSF HP and IBM jumped up and down about Open UNIX standards= for 3 or 4 years and their users ended up with CDE and prettyM! much nothing else to show for it.k  < Digital always a pioneer ended up being the only OSF company; to actually do an OSF OS (though they still ended up payinge USL UNIX license fees).i   regardsa Andrew Harrison.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:43:25 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>5 Subject: Re: howto get a parameter (p1) to an ftp joba) Message-ID: <3EC8A73D.D5664D38@127.0.0.1>d   Terry Marosites wrote:+ > Try this it returns the ftp error if any.t >  > > $ open/write tmp send.ftp A >   $ write tmp "ftp machine /username="''p2'" /password="''p3'""h >   $ write tmp  verbose onr > > $ write tmp "cd /some/dir"= >   $ write tmp "bin"             ! or ASC[II] as appropriaten > > $ write tmp "put ",p1a >   $ @SEND.FTP  >   $ MYSTAT=$STATUS  H I've found that error status return is problematic. I've had IP packagesG return successful status when only half and partial files are received,"F and error messages which are meaningless or bear little to no relationD to the real error. Even the messages returned by remote servers, theE remote server just lies. Even when the file transfer appears to work, H and even the size on directory listings match, files can have corruptionD in them. My, that was a painful T-shirt. We blamed the IBM lot, theyE blamed "the DEC", in the end, 'by accident' the fault was traced to a ? third party router. (It broke, was replaced, and the corruptionz magically disappeared).i   -- h? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences' nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:15:15 +0100i* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1t+ Message-ID: <baald4$quq@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   : "rob merritt" <merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca> wrote in message6 news:b6bf97d5.0305181910.a6bfae5@posting.google.com...  B > up until now I have used OpenSSL and OSU ssh on our vms machines4 > a vendor requested I use the HP/Compaq/Dec SSH EAK1 > (early adopters kit??? I think they mean BETA).a  A No. An EAK is for folk who are too keen on bleeding edge stuff tot wait for the beta.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 07:48:56 -0700- From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt)  Subject: Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1 = Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0305190648.17ece6e2@posting.google.com>r   Hi DirkN  O Its the latest ssh from HP as far as I can tell, I got it off the web yesterdayaN and installed it. Its telling me "No supported autentication methods availabe"K am I missing encryption in the install, I assume SSH PCSI has its own "SSL" 8 I choose ssh2 and 3des or blowfish when using my client         F Event Log: Server version: SSH-2.0-2.4.1 SSH Secure Shell OpenVMS V1.08 Event Log: We claim version: SSH-2.0-PuTTY-Release-0.53b' Event Log: Using SSH protocol version 2         X Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<ba9rmd$49q$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>... > rob merritt wrote: > > ok n > > D > > up until now I have used OpenSSL and OSU ssh on our vms machines7 > > a vendor requested I use the HP/Compaq/Dec SSH EAK o4 > > (early adopters kit??? I think they mean BETA).  > O > It is indeed a BETA kit, in fact the kit is downported from the future TCPIP -1 > V5.4 version to the present TCPIP V5.3 version.3 > K > I don't know which version of SSH can be downloaded now, but engineering G2 > published a newer version a couple of weeks ago. > P > And yes, we also had quite a lot of problems with the first kit, and we still  > have to test the updated kit.a >  >  > I install it as peri> > > the instructions extractind a tlb file firs before product > > install(ing).rH > > It installs fine I start it up via tcpip$config, then when I try to I > > ssh via a PC (putty) or unix client or its own ssh client I get this:u > > ( > >  Event Log: Host key fingerprint is: > > Event Log: ssh-dss 1024 3 > > 45:c8:30:ea:ac:5d:4d:5c:75:06:3f:f8:fa:f4:dc:a4r5 > > Outgoing packet type 21 / 0x15 (SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS)a5 > > Incoming packet type 21 / 0x15 (SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS) = > > Event Log: Initialised Blowfish client->server encryptiono= > > Event Log: Initialised Blowfish server->client encryptiond< > > Outgoing packet type 5 / 0x05 (SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST)@ > >   00000000  00 00 00 0c 73 73 68 2d 75 73 65 72 61 75 74 68  > > ....ssh-userauth; > > Incoming packet type 6 / 0x06 (SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT)-@ > >   00000000  00 00 00 0c 73 73 68 2d 75 73 65 72 61 75 74 68  > > ....ssh-userauth> > > Outgoing packet type 50 / 0x32 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_REQUEST)@ > >   00000000  00 00 00 08 6d 65 72 72 69 74 74 72 00 00 00 0e  > > ....merrittr....@ > >   00000010  73 73 68 2d 63 6f 6e 6e 65 63 74 69 6f 6e 00 00  > > ssh-connection..G > >   00000020  00 04 6e 6f 6e 65                                ..nones> > > Incoming packet type 51 / 0x33 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_FAILURE)@ > >   00000000  00 00 00 09 68 6f 73 74 62 61 73 65 64 00        > > ....hostbased.B > > Event Log: No supported authentications offered. Disconnecting7 > > Outgoing packet type 1 / 0x01 (SSH2_MSG_DISCONNECT)n@ > >   00000000  00 00 00 0b 00 00 00 2d 4e 6f 20 73 75 70 70 6f  > > .......-No suppoE > >   00000010  72 74 65 64 20 61 75 74 68 65 6e 74 69 63 61 74  rtedt > > authenticatoD > >   00000020  69 6f 6e 20 6d 65 74 68 6f 64 73 20 61 76 61 69  ion > > methods avai@ > >   00000030  6c 61 62 6c 65 00 00 00 02 65 6e                 > > lable....en@ > > > > > and get droped affter entering the username at the prompt  > > 
 > > any ideas'   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:35:28 +0100 5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt>g Subject: Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1k5 Message-ID: <bab15t$r264u$1@ID-191217.news.dfncis.de>   : "rob merritt" <merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca> wrote in message7 news:b6bf97d5.0305190648.17ece6e2@posting.google.com...e	 > Hi Dirk7 > G > Its the latest ssh from HP as far as I can tell, I got it off the webs	 yesterdayOF > and installed it. Its telling me "No supported autentication methods	 availabe"eG > am I missing encryption in the install, I assume SSH PCSI has its owne "SSL"t9 > I choose ssh2 and 3des or blowfish when using my clienth >  >  >l > H > Event Log: Server version: SSH-2.0-2.4.1 SSH Secure Shell OpenVMS V1.0: > Event Log: We claim version: SSH-2.0-PuTTY-Release-0.53b) > Event Log: Using SSH protocol version 2e >   D It works, more or less, with me. Still can't SSH from VMS to Windows (openSSH), but from Windows to& VMS is OK. Note you must edit the fileG TCPIP$SSH_DEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2_CONFIG , as this be default onlys= supports host-based authentication. So I uncommented the lineo8 # AllowedAuthentications hostbased, password,, publickey@ (or something, I have no access to my VMS system at the moment).  G Didn't try publickey authentication yet. OpenSHH and commercial SSH usei$ different formats for the public keyE file. The openSSH kan convert it's public key files to the other one:u6 > ssh-keygen -e -f ./.ssh/id_dsa.pub > id_dsa_ssh2.pub   hthh  
 rob van lopik    ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 03 19:39:30 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)d Subject: Re: hp ssh on vms7.3-1L) Message-ID: <pUb2UPDlIGNx@elias.decus.ch>.  m In article <b6bf97d5.0305190648.17ece6e2@posting.google.com>, merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) writes: 	 > Hi Dirkd > Q > Its the latest ssh from HP as far as I can tell, I got it off the web yesterdaysP > and installed it. Its telling me "No supported autentication methods availabe"M > am I missing encryption in the install, I assume SSH PCSI has its own "SSL"-: > I choose ssh2 and 3des or blowfish when using my client  >  >  >o  E I downloaded the version available on 9-MAR-2003. After following the 9 instructions available at that time, here's all I changeda2 to get it going, both from my LAN, and outside it.  6 $ diff TCPIP$SSH_DEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2_CONFIG.; ************2 File SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2_CONFIG.;2B    80           AllowedAuthentications          hostbased,passwordB    81   #       RequiredAuthentications         publickey,password ******2 File SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH.SSH2]SSHD2_CONFIG.;19    80           AllowedAuthentications          hostbaseddB    81   #       RequiredAuthentications         publickey,password ************     o   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 05:46:26 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)5 Subject: HP trying to dump VMS?  EV8 soon in itanium! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305190446.4f8cda7c@posting.google.com>   ! that's what the inquirer says ...e  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:59:09 +0100eO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>.< Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign0 Message-ID: <baakf0$o97$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Smith wrote:t% > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" : > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message, > news:ba30ng$4p2$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >  >>Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:. >>C >>>In article <b9oh38$395$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrisont >>C > SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:A > G >>>http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:DC0nEM5sVN4C:www.the451.com/ava  >>F > ntgo/lite/index.php+Terraspring+HP+Utility+Datacenter&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 >  >>>o# >>>Another quote from this article:  >>>eA >>>(Think Dynamics adds storage for system-wide resource pooling)nC >>>HP's utility datacenter software currently uses an older versions >> > of the > ' >>>Terraspring software Sun now offers.r >>>eE >>>An offhand comment from an analyst critiquing a different product.w >> > Hearsay??  > < >>>I've seen nothing compelling here to back the supposition >> > presented. > B >>Why not ask HP they will confirm that they are using Terraspring >  > 1.0. > F >>We know after all we bought Terraspring so we do have their existing >>customer list. >  >  > B > And Think Dynamics, which was bought by IBM this week and is nowH > rolled into IBM's Toronto software development lab (2000+ developers), > also had HP as a customer. >   = Thats what happens if you think that Inovating is buying yourt inovations from other people.f  ? HP Invent is a great tagline but it hardly reflects the realitye> of HP as a corporation where the biggest single contributor to? positive share value and profitability in general over the last 8 decade has been the HP business that puts toner in pots.  ? Not the printing business in general just the toner part of it.y   Regardsd Andrew HarrisonD   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:02:56 +0100cO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>*, Subject: Re: Hyperthreading to save itanium?0 Message-ID: <baakm3$og7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:e. > I thought EV8-9 was going to ... maybe both? > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9502    5 How many technologies from other processors are goingd) to be needed to make Itanium competitive.v  # Why don't we start a sweepsake now.i   At the moment we havea   Alphai FX!32i HyperThreading  0 I have an old kitchen sink that I am prepared to$ sell to Intel at a knock down price.   Any other suggestions    Regardsx Andrew Harrisonm   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:43:31 GMTl3 From: "George Samuelson" <samuelsong@insightbb.com>f4 Subject: More OpenVMS VAX and Alpha OS+SPL auctions.? Message-ID: <TQ7ya.380924$Si4.328081@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>n  0 But it now has been added to these new listings.  L http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3025561720 - Alpha V7.3-1  L http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11225&item=3025562314  - OpenVMS VAX V7.30     Thanks.7   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 04:37:47 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>: Subject: Re: Motif: how to add Mozilla icon to .html files6 Message-ID: <1030519043449.25650B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  % On Sun, 18 May 2003, Dirk Munk wrote:e  S > I have added Mozilla as a Motif application to DecWindows Motif (as described in -P > the release notes), but now I would like to see a Mozilla icon too with .html 1 > .shtml files etc. in the File Manager of Motif.n > & > Can someone tell me how to do this ?  I I think there are (or were) instructions about how to do this in the sameoF place, but I didn't understand the point at the time and didn't do it.D Then I forgot where I found the original info (late at night!) so ifG you do track it down, please post a link or pointer to the right doc...l   -- h John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:19:58 +0200W7 From: Robert Trawinski <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> : Subject: Re: Motif: how to add Mozilla icon to .html files, Message-ID: <3EC8AFCE.3040902@softax.com.pl>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0401000100030801000300059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedh Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit>   Dirk Munk wrote:F > I have added Mozilla as a Motif application to DecWindows Motif (as I > described in the release notes), but now I would like to see a Mozilla eE > icon too with .html .shtml files etc. in the File Manager of Motif.p > & > Can someone tell me how to do this ? >  >   K You have to configure CDE. Please locate attached files in proper dirctory:A     sys$login:[dt.types]mozilla.fp   sys$login:[dt.types]mozilla.dt   sys$login:[dt.icons]*.*pm?    sys$login:[dt.appmanager]mozilla  $ sys$common:[mozilla]mozilla_file.com8       // this file change VMS file name format to format&       // accepted as mozilla parameter    D You have to verify device, directory in mozilla.dt file (depends on H Mozilla instalation and mozilla_file.com file location). You can change G ICON, LABEL etc. attributes in mozilla.dt and mozilla.fp files (follow BF the "CDE Advanced User's and System Administrator's Guide" book). You B can replace above files to system wide directories making mozilla # configuration available for others.   G Than you can double-click on html files. Unfortunately on VMS "Restart rF Workspace Manager..." from "Workspace Menu" isn't enough to reload CDE. action database. 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It apparently has a DSSI controller as wellG > as a SCSI controller.  There is a DSSI disk and a SCSI CD inside.  It<7 > has a HUGE connection block on the back with a 50-pin F > Centronics---presumably SCSI---as well as male and female connectorsJ > with three rows of pins (otherwise about the same size as the CentronicsG > connector) and three male plugs which look like the small 50 (or 68?)"H > pin SCSI connectors but almost certainly aren't.  It came with a BA350E > with a cable connecting it to one of the small plugs.  In the BA350 G > there is some sort of module which I suspect is a DSSI-SCSI converter C > (since almost certainly only SCSI disks can go into the BA 350).   > K > Anyway, the default boot device is non-existent.  When I tell it to boot pJ > from the DSSI disk inside, it comes up saying VMS 5.5-2H4, asks for the G > date and time and then says it has booted standalone backup!  I then cD > have a "$" prompt, but it's not a DCL prompt.  Probably it is the I > standalone-backup prompt, since BACKUP seems to be the only command it "
 > recognises.0 > J > I'm not very familiar with standalone backup.  Does anyone know if thereJ > is anyway to tell whether the DSSI disk inside is bootable and if so howI > to boot from it (from the console prompt) rather than have it boot intoE > standalone backup? 0 > E > Another piece is a 4000-90.  At power up, the four LEDs on the left I > (1--4) stay lit all the time.  At first, the leftmost two in the group AJ > on the right (5--6) stay lit, then 5 stays on while 6 goes out, 7 comes I > up and stays lit and 8 flashes very rapidly.  Any idea what this means?l > J > Another piece is a 3100-38.  It appears to have a SCSI connector on the G > back, but a broad, narrow one (talking about the physical dimensions +K > here) with small pins.  Will this work with DEC SCSI disks from the same +K > error (keeping in mind the 1.07 GB limitation for a boot disk) if I have " > the appropriate connector? >  >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:17:40 +0100 + From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>0) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A+8 Message-ID: <h11hcvoalhb484i62mlqinif66bfhf12d1@4ax.com>  I On Sun, 18 May 2003 15:53:26 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de21 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:2  I >Another piece is a 3100-38.  It appears to have a SCSI connector on the iF >back, but a broad, narrow one (talking about the physical dimensions J >here) with small pins.  Will this work with DEC SCSI disks from the same J >error (keeping in mind the 1.07 GB limitation for a boot disk) if I have  >the appropriate connector?   I It's plain SCSI-1, but with a connector unique (as far as I know) to DEC. G It wasn't unknown for adventurous types to acquire a more normal ribbon7K cable with a Centronics connector on the end and dangle that out of the box" instead, to make life easier.4     	John    ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 08:11:50 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)6) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A 3 Message-ID: <+Hoo510HCU3h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <ba8a9l$sr3$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:w > H > One piece is a 4000-100A.  It apparently has a DSSI controller as well > as a SCSI controller.  "  0 > There is a DSSI disk and a SCSI CD inside.  It7 > has a HUGE connection block on the back with a 50-pin-F > Centronics---presumably SCSI---as well as male and female connectorsJ > with three rows of pins (otherwise about the same size as the Centronics
 > connector)    G    That would be Qbus.  It takes two cables to connect the 4000-100A to D    a Qbus chassis.  You're lucky to have yours on the back, mine has*    them on the top, in a rectangular bump.  < > and three male plugs which look like the small 50 (or 68?)2 > pin SCSI connectors but almost certainly aren't.  A    If there's a post on each side, those are the DSSI connectors.b   >  It came with a BA350cE > with a cable connecting it to one of the small plugs.  In the BA350fG > there is some sort of module which I suspect is a DSSI-SCSI converter6C > (since almost certainly only SCSI disks can go into the BA 350). e  G    HSJ style DSSI-SCSI converter, which lets one put an entire SCSI bus2H    on a single DSSI node.  Very popular with BA350 chassis and DSSI-onlyH    boxes, but for this one I would have plugged the native SCSI into the	    BA350.9   > K > Anyway, the default boot device is non-existent.  When I tell it to boot  J > from the DSSI disk inside, it comes up saying VMS 5.5-2H4, asks for the G > date and time and then says it has booted standalone backup!  I then aD > have a "$" prompt, but it's not a DCL prompt.  Probably it is the I > standalone-backup prompt, since BACKUP seems to be the only command it 4
 > recognises.d > J > I'm not very familiar with standalone backup.  Does anyone know if thereJ > is anyway to tell whether the DSSI disk inside is bootable and if so howI > to boot from it (from the console prompt) rather than have it boot into8 > standalone backup? "  G    If b/0 boots standalone backup, then that's all that's on that disk. G    If both VMS and standalone backup were on there, you'ld normally use}?    b/e0000000 to get to standalone backup.  Check boot_flags or"D    something similar at the console prompt to see if e0000000 is the    default.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:50:35 +0100c* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> Subject: Re: New VMS logo ?"5 Message-ID: <baa67k$qkl96$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>u   > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# news:<3EC79C88.AC67689A@fsi.net>...J > > Dirk Munk wrote: > > >oL > > > A couple of days ago we had a session with some HP reps. They had someG > > > powerpoint presentations, and there I noticed a new OpenVMS logo,o although theJ > > > idea is not new. It looks like the old Digital logo, but now with HP blue. > > > squares instead of Digital burgundy red. > > >'F > > > I wonder if this is a new official logo, maybe Sue can tell us ? > >I0 > > ...like the one at http://www.openvms.org/ ?  4 Personally, I prefer the old wireframe half-globe...9 ( Copy here.. http://www.travell.uk.net/vms/vmslogo.gif )    -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net" http://www.travell.uk.net/           ---Z& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 13/05/2003n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:12:28 +0100NO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>KI Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!G0 Message-ID: <baal80$om5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:m4 > well Andrew, these are official gov't numbers that2 > definitively prove OpenVMS is the most secure OS > in the world ...=20J >=20  9 Sadly this study relies on the reliability of each vendorI. posting accurate responses to CERT advisories.  < Since we know that OpenVMS responses to CERT advisories were: routinely incorrect there is no point in including OpenVMS in the survey.   Garbage in garbage out.2  < Each time you mention CERT I have to remind you of this, why keep repeating the mistake ????    regards& Andrew Harrisono  * > http://www.sans.org/rr/start/openvms.php >=206 > here's a paragragh with those results from the above
 > article ...2 >=20 > How Secure is VMS? >=20G > Before anything else, I would like capture your attention by startingVG > with a subjective indicator of how secure VMS really is. To date, the-B > U.S Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory CapabilityH > (DOE-CIAC) lists a total of 22 VMS security advisories; of these, onlyE > 3 have been issued since November 1994. A search of CERT advisories0D > with keywords VMS, VAX, or OpenVMS yielded a total of less than 25G > unique advisories whereas Solaris yielded 266, Linux 313, and Windowsa > 451 respectively.* >=20B > More recently, several members from the Dallas-Fort Worth CompaqE > User's Group (DFWCUG), one of the most active local VMS user groups0H > nationwide, entered a bastion host Alpha box running VMS into the 2001C > DEFCON hackers Mecca. The VMS box was game to 5000+ hackers whose1C > objective was to hack the various boxes entered in the contest in1G > order to score points. According to Opcom's report of the events "The1F > VMS machine on the Green team was configured with Apache web server.E > As we are aware, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. While3@ > many other boxes in the room, mostly Unix, Linux, and forms ofB > windows, and even a Macintosh, were compromised and subsequentlyD > attended to by their masters, the VMS system remained intact". TheE > article closes with "During the closing session at 4 PM Sunday, theEE > Ghetto Hackers, which are the most respected and skillful, gave the J > Green team =91props' because our stuff stayed up and our =91root' was t= heH > only one they did not get. We consider this a positive note and a high8 > compliment, coming from this well-accomplished group". >=20C > In summary, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. Of equalqD > importance, however, is the care and meticulous attention most VMSH > System Administrators pay towards the security management of their box > or cluster of boxes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:08:59 -04006# From: "rob kas" <bob@paychoice.com>8I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!"/ Message-ID: <vci0sbsnjevfb1@corp.supernews.com>8           Greetings"  ,      A waste of time disagreeing with Bob C.G      However I would pay to be in a Linux Class with him on the sad day9 something did happen to VMS     '                                     Rob"      9 Sadly this study relies on the reliability of each vendorb. posting accurate responses to CERT advisories.  < Since we know that OpenVMS responses to CERT advisories were: routinely incorrect there is no point in including OpenVMS in the survey.   Garbage in garbage out.c  < Each time you mention CERT I have to remind you of this, why keep repeating the mistake ????    regards5 Andrew Harrison5  * > http://www.sans.org/rr/start/openvms.php > 6 > here's a paragragh with those results from the above
 > article ...  >7 > How Secure is VMS? > G > Before anything else, I would like capture your attention by startingdG > with a subjective indicator of how secure VMS really is. To date, the B > U.S Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory CapabilityH > (DOE-CIAC) lists a total of 22 VMS security advisories; of these, onlyE > 3 have been issued since November 1994. A search of CERT advisoriesBD > with keywords VMS, VAX, or OpenVMS yielded a total of less than 25G > unique advisories whereas Solaris yielded 266, Linux 313, and WindowsG > 451 respectively.  >cB > More recently, several members from the Dallas-Fort Worth CompaqE > User's Group (DFWCUG), one of the most active local VMS user groups H > nationwide, entered a bastion host Alpha box running VMS into the 2001C > DEFCON hackers Mecca. The VMS box was game to 5000+ hackers whose C > objective was to hack the various boxes entered in the contest in G > order to score points. According to Opcom's report of the events "The F > VMS machine on the Green team was configured with Apache web server.E > As we are aware, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. While @ > many other boxes in the room, mostly Unix, Linux, and forms ofB > windows, and even a Macintosh, were compromised and subsequentlyD > attended to by their masters, the VMS system remained intact". TheE > article closes with "During the closing session at 4 PM Sunday, the,E > Ghetto Hackers, which are the most respected and skillful, gave theYG > Green team props' because our stuff stayed up and our root' was themH > only one they did not get. We consider this a positive note and a high8 > compliment, coming from this well-accomplished group". >AC > In summary, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. Of equalvD > importance, however, is the care and meticulous attention most VMSH > System Administrators pay towards the security management of their box > or cluster of boxes.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:44:32 +0000 (UTC)L+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)~I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!)+ Message-ID: <bab1lg$erd$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>:  U In article <vci0sbsnjevfb1@corp.supernews.com>, "rob kas" <bob@paychoice.com> writes:N >        Greetings >J- >     A waste of time disagreeing with Bob C.2H >     However I would pay to be in a Linux Class with him on the sad day >something did happen to VMS >y > ( >                                    Rob >JJ As far as I am aware all Andrew has been able to point to are a couple of H old DOS attacks which he claims VMS suffered from (with UCX)  but which N weren't reported on CERT. He has never been able to point to any more serious  breach of VMS security.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >2 >o: >Sadly this study relies on the reliability of each vendor/ >posting accurate responses to CERT advisories.. >3= >Since we know that OpenVMS responses to CERT advisories were#; >routinely incorrect there is no point in including OpenVMS0 >in the survey.g >2 >Garbage in garbage out. >`= >Each time you mention CERT I have to remind you of this, why2  >keep repeating the mistake ???? >0 >regards >Andrew Harrison >'+ >> http://www.sans.org/rr/start/openvms.php2 >>7 >> here's a paragragh with those results from the above8 >> article ... >> >> How Secure is VMS?C >>H >> Before anything else, I would like capture your attention by startingH >> with a subjective indicator of how secure VMS really is. To date, theC >> U.S Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory Capability2I >> (DOE-CIAC) lists a total of 22 VMS security advisories; of these, only F >> 3 have been issued since November 1994. A search of CERT advisoriesE >> with keywords VMS, VAX, or OpenVMS yielded a total of less than 25pH >> unique advisories whereas Solaris yielded 266, Linux 313, and Windows >> 451 respectively. >>C >> More recently, several members from the Dallas-Fort Worth Compaq7F >> User's Group (DFWCUG), one of the most active local VMS user groupsI >> nationwide, entered a bastion host Alpha box running VMS into the 2001,D >> DEFCON hackers Mecca. The VMS box was game to 5000+ hackers whoseD >> objective was to hack the various boxes entered in the contest inH >> order to score points. According to Opcom's report of the events "TheG >> VMS machine on the Green team was configured with Apache web server.,F >> As we are aware, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. WhileA >> many other boxes in the room, mostly Unix, Linux, and forms of9C >> windows, and even a Macintosh, were compromised and subsequently E >> attended to by their masters, the VMS system remained intact". ThedF >> article closes with "During the closing session at 4 PM Sunday, theF >> Ghetto Hackers, which are the most respected and skillful, gave theH >> Green team props' because our stuff stayed up and our root' was theI >> only one they did not get. We consider this a positive note and a high#9 >> compliment, coming from this well-accomplished group".# >>D >> In summary, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. Of equalE >> importance, however, is the care and meticulous attention most VMSEI >> System Administrators pay towards the security management of their boxX >> or cluster of boxes.i >4 >p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:00:24 +0100*O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down! / Message-ID: <bab2jb$d7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>"   David Webb wrote:.J > In article <vci0sbsnjevfb1@corp.supernews.com>, "rob kas" <bob@paychoic= e.com> writes: >=20 >>       Greetings >>- >>    A waste of time disagreeing with Bob C..H >>    However I would pay to be in a Linux Class with him on the sad day >>something did happen to VMS. >> >>( >>                                   Rob >> >=20J > As far as I am aware all Andrew has been able to point to are a couple = of=20 J > old DOS attacks which he claims VMS suffered from (with UCX)  but which= =20.J > weren't reported on CERT. He has never been able to point to any more s=	 erious=20. > breach of VMS security.. >=20  C If I remember correctly it was 4 attacks. I didn't look any further.
 than that.  @ The response from the OpenVMS community was that UCX wasn't partA of OpenVMS and therefore it was correct for Digital to post theiro/ responses saying that OpenVMS wasn't vunerable.   @ Since this was the mindset it was then apparent that OpenVMS/UCX> could well have been vunerable to some/all of the IP stack andA bundled IP product attacks but that routinely no one had bothered.	 replying.   > It was also apparent that at least in the case of OpenVMS CERT@ advisories provided no certainty (sorry) with respect to OpenVMS> vunerability at least for a very significant class of attacks.   Regards. Andrew Harrison  >=20 > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >=20 >=20 >>; >>Sadly this study relies on the reliability of each vendor"0 >>posting accurate responses to CERT advisories. >>> >>Since we know that OpenVMS responses to CERT advisories were< >>routinely incorrect there is no point in including OpenVMS >>in the survey. >> >>Garbage in garbage out.. >>> >>Each time you mention CERT I have to remind you of this, why! >>keep repeating the mistake ????. >>	 >>regards. >>Andrew Harrison. >> >>+ >>>http://www.sans.org/rr/start/openvms.php. >>> 7 >>>here's a paragragh with those results from the aboveD >>>article ... >>>  >>>How Secure is VMS?. >>>"H >>>Before anything else, I would like capture your attention by startingH >>>with a subjective indicator of how secure VMS really is. To date, theC >>>U.S Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory Capability J >>>(DOE-CIAC) lists a total of 22 VMS security advisories; of these, only=  F >>>3 have been issued since November 1994. A search of CERT advisoriesE >>>with keywords VMS, VAX, or OpenVMS yielded a total of less than 25 H >>>unique advisories whereas Solaris yielded 266, Linux 313, and Windows >>>451 respectively. >>>nC >>>More recently, several members from the Dallas-Fort Worth Compaq_F >>>User's Group (DFWCUG), one of the most active local VMS user groupsJ >>>nationwide, entered a bastion host Alpha box running VMS into the 2001=  D >>>DEFCON hackers Mecca. The VMS box was game to 5000+ hackers whoseD >>>objective was to hack the various boxes entered in the contest inH >>>order to score points. According to Opcom's report of the events "TheG >>>VMS machine on the Green team was configured with Apache web server..F >>>As we are aware, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. WhileA >>>many other boxes in the room, mostly Unix, Linux, and forms of.C >>>windows, and even a Macintosh, were compromised and subsequently E >>>attended to by their masters, the VMS system remained intact". The F >>>article closes with "During the closing session at 4 PM Sunday, theF >>>Ghetto Hackers, which are the most respected and skillful, gave theJ >>>Green team =91props' because our stuff stayed up and our =91root' was = the J >>>only one they did not get. We consider this a positive note and a high=  9 >>>compliment, coming from this well-accomplished group".. >>> D >>>In summary, VMS is an extremely secure operating system. Of equalE >>>importance, however, is the care and meticulous attention most VMS.J >>>System Administrators pay towards the security management of their box=   >>>or cluster of boxes.  >> >>   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 10:43:56 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)1 Subject: Reminder - VAX Survey= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305190943.728cc02d@posting.google.com>:   Folks,  ; Just a reminder that there is a VAX Survey up on the web at8C www.openvms.org please take a few moments to visit and fill out thehA survey.  You have the chance to win one of 5 OpenVMS golf shirts.c  
 Warm Regards," Sue.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:13:55 +0100.O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> < Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!0 Message-ID: <baaap6$knu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>.= > wrote in message news:ba359d$6at$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...1 >  > ...o >  > 0 >>Umm IBM has announced 1.7 GHz power 4 systems. >>) >>They are shipping them later this year.; >  >  > Try later this month:* > N > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/news/pressreleases/2003/may/ann > c_506.html >  > - bill >  >  > G Its probably the 1.5 GHz CPU, IBM's TPC-C submission says that the 1.7 c* GHz systems will be available in November.   RegardsC Andrew Harrison,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:20:29 -0700F& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>$ Subject: Sun Buyout article from NYT/ Message-ID: <vci4kb2n4jak7b@corp.supernews.com>3  7 Uh-oh - Sun is "out of step with computing trends" 8^).#  G > Before Sun Is Reborn, It Must Resist Being Bought By STEVE LOHR with 7 > LAURIE J. FLYNN# > B > Sun Microsystems is on a roll of sorts. Its share price rose 11 G > percent last week and is up nearly 29 percent since the start of May.F > D > Yet what has attracted investors is the apparent opportunity that G > lies in weakness. Sun, long a Silicon Valley leader but lately a bit 3F > out of step with computing trends, looks vulnerable to a takeover  F > either by another computer company or through a leveraged buyout by $ > an investment firm.  Advertisement > F > The potential bidders mentioned on Wall Street trading desks in the G > last two weeks include a range of large computer companies, with the +3 > most logical ones being I.B.M. and Cisco Systems.# > A > Last week, talk of a leveraged buyout surfaced after Edward J. uA > Zander, the former president of Sun, joined the Silicon Valley .E > investment firm Silver Lake Partners. A few years ago, Silver Lake #D > led a successful buyout of another technology company, Seagate, a  > disk-drive maker.@ > E > Despite the recent run on the stock, a bid for Sun does not appear +G > imminent. First, unfriendly takeovers of big technology companies are>G >  rare because the risk of disruption is too high in an industry where+D >  success depends on speed and innovation. For now, at least, a bidB > for Sun would have to be a hostile one because Scott G. McNealy,> > Sun's chairman and chief executive, and the Sun board remain> > committed to the current strategy for reviving the company's  > fortunes, Sun executives said. > G > Sun, like most companies, has a policy of not commenting on takeover *G > rumors. But one Sun executive, who insisted on not being identified, .F > said, "Scott, the senior management and the board are signed up for B > the next few years to give it a real run with the plan we have." > > > That plan calls for guiding Sun  a wellspring of computing E > innovation over the years  through a tricky transition. The shift %F > will mean garnering more and more of its business from software and B > services and proportionately less from selling costly computers. > D > Sun's Solaris is the leading Unix operating system, and it mostly F > runs on Sun's proprietary data-serving computers powered by its own G > Sparc microprocessors. But corporate customers, seeking to cut costs,'G >  are often switching from Sun to low-cost server computers powered by.G >  Intel-compatible microprocessors and running Linux, a variant of thet2 >  Unix operating system that is distributed free. > G > Sun views this less as a Linux challenge than as a low-cost hardware .G > challenge. To combat it, Sun is increasingly separating Solaris from @F > its own hardware. A version of Solaris now runs on Intel-compatible @ > microprocessors, and Sun is beginning to promote aggressively @ > Solaris-on-Intel  a significant departure from the company's C > tradition of regarding software as a way to sell its proprietary : > hardware.! > E > In an announcement set for today, Sun plans to detail its new push  ? > for Solaris running on Intel-compatible servers as part of a ~A > low-cost-computing product offering. The approach will include .@ > bundling database software from Oracle, according to industry D > analysts. The product announcement is scheduled to be made in San E > Francisco by Mr. McNealy and Lawrence J. Ellison, the chairman and * > chief executive of Oracle. > E > Sun also offers computers running Linux, though mostly for smaller @B > server computers. But its adoption of Linux came later and more F > reluctantly than other computer makers like I.B.M., Hewlett-Packard  > and Dell.3 > ? > As a possible takeover candidate, Sun is seen as potentially ~A > attractive  and vulnerable  for both strategic and financial #E > reasons. Its stock price, which closed at $4.30 a share on Friday, ,D > has enjoyed a nice bounce in the last couple of weeks. But a year G > ago, Sun shares traded at $7.60, and that was down precipitously from,+ >  more than $64 a share in September 2000.F > C > Even at Sun's current share price, the company's market value is #A > about $13.7 billion. But the company has $4.9 billion in cash, 3G > including short-term securities and accounts receivable. So the real cD > price for a bidder would be at least $9 billion, assuming a buyer @ > would have to offer some premium over the current stock price. > C > That would be a hefty sum indeed, although far less than the $19 .4 > billion Hewlett-Packard paid for Compaq last year. > A > The most logical buyer would be I.B.M., industry analysts say. {B > I.B.M.'s technology strategy and business, they say, would mesh D > nicely with Sun's. Both companies have adopted Java, the Internet ? > software technology developed by Sun, and both are rivals of |G > Microsoft. I.B.M. would benefit from adding Sun's blue-chip research :C > labs to its own, and could save money by eliminating overlapping '. > sales, administration and marketing efforts. > C > Although the government might challenge such a deal on antitrust <2 > grounds, such opposition is far from inevitable. > G > As it turns out, Mr. McNealy and Samuel J. Palmisano, I.B.M.'s chief +A > executive, did meet last month. But it was not to talk about a  - > possible takeover, according to executives.@ > C > Mr. McNealy, according to one executive, expressed concerns that @F > I.B.M.'s global services unit  which uses and markets hardware and E > software from many suppliers, not just I.B.M.'s own  seemed to be  G > removing Sun machines when the I.B.M. services group was hired to run0 >  corporate data centers. > F > But Mr. McNealy also made a pitch that I.B.M. should get behind Sun C > in its effort to promote the Solaris operating system on servers _B > powered by Intel-compatible microprocessors, the executive said. > G > I.B.M., through its services unit, is a large distributor of Solaris.FB > Still, though I.B.M. has its own version of Unix called AIX, itsG > long-term bet is that Linux will eventually become the lone surviving#C > operating system in the Unix lineage  meaning that Solaris would0@ > fade away, along with I.B.M.'s AIX and other versions of Unix. > E > Mr. Palmisano, according to another executive briefed on the talks,0? > suggested that because Sun wanted to become less dependent on9< > hardware it could reduce its costs by abandoning its SparcC > microprocessor. In fact, Mr. Palmisano continued, for the big Sun[< > machines whose chips use the architecture known as reducedA > instruction set computing, or RISC, Sun might want to switch to#8 > I.B.M.'s RISC design, the Power series.  Advertisement > D > The talks apparently ended without any meeting of the minds on the: > technical matters  and no discussion of a takeover bid. > @ > Cisco has also been mentioned as a possible suitor. The logic,E > analysts say, would be that both Cisco and Sun have a commitment tonB > networked computing. Since its origins as a workstation company,C > Sun's motto has been "the network is the computer," while Cisco'si> > router computers drive the Internet. But Cisco does not seem > interested in acquiring Sun. > ? > Dan Scheinman, the senior vice president in charge of Cisco's,B > acquisition strategy, says his company is a partner with all theD > makers of server computers, including I.B.M., Sun, Hewlett-PackardD > and Dell. To buy one of these players, he says, could hurt Cisco'sB > overall business  not least, he added, because I.B.M. is by farC > Cisco's largest partner and its major supplier of semiconductors.n? > "It's a great relationship," Mr. Scheinman said of the I.B.M.m > partnership. > B > A leveraged buyout could make sense in the case of Sun, which isE > going through a tough transition, by allowing it to regroup without G > constant pressure from public shareholders for strong profits quarterL
 > by quarter.  > = > In a buyout, investors raise and borrow funds to finance annD > acquisition, taking the company private. Later, typically after anB > overhaul of the company's operations or strategy, the company isF > taken public again. Silver Lake, for example, took Seagate public in; > December after buying it, and taking it private, in 2000.n > F > But a bid from Silver Lake appears doubtful. To begin with, it wouldF > be a challenge to raise the billions required to buy Sun. And Silver? > Lake looks to invest in companies where it is welcomed by the[G > management, as in the case of Seagate, one Silver Lake partner noted.  >  > E > Mr. McNealy is not talking, but given the personalities involved he F > would probably resist. Mr. Zander, who joined Silver Lake last week,E > left Sun along with a handful of other executives after Mr. McNealyAC > told his senior managers that he wanted a commitment from each to F > stay for five years to see Sun through its strategic transition. Mr.# > Zander decided it was time to go.N > C > Tim Bajarin, president of Creative Strategies, a consulting firm, G > said: "I can't imagine Scott McNealy not putting up quite a fight. It D > would have to be a situation where Scott doesn't think he can turn. > things around. And he doesn't believe that."     -- 8
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 03:49:55 -0400.* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: TCPIP: IMAP dies on VAX at 5.3 ECO-2f) Message-ID: <3EC88C6B.ADA8C131@istop.com>=  , Haven't had much of a chance to investigate.  N However, the IMAP server which worked (slowly, but worked) on TCPIP 5.3 (VAX),M seems to have died after installing ECO2. Once you get around to updating the I startup procedure to install the CMA files it needs, the thing starts andp2 bombs right away. (access violation, no traceback)  K I realise that the release notes make it clear that IMAP isn't supported ono VAX. So one cannot "complain".  < Has anyone gotten IMAP to work on VAX with TCPIP 5.3 ECO-2 ?   (this is with VAX VMS 7.2)   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 09:20:25 -0700  From: bhenry@sct.com (Bob Henry)  Subject: TK70 tape compatibility= Message-ID: <a7aa646d.0305190820.634574ab@posting.google.com>f  B This may sound like a dumb question to some, but my OVMS sys adminF just left so I can't ask him. I need to know if a DLT8000 drive on our7 DS20E with OVMS 7.3 can produce a TK70 compatible tape.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:40:39 GMTw3 From: "George Samuelson" <samuelsong@insightbb.com>w$ Subject: Re: TK70 tape compatibility? Message-ID: <aO7ya.380901$Si4.327205@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>a  J Nope I afraid that is not possible. Two completely different technologies.K You can READ the TK70 on the DLT, however you cannot write to a TK70 on the  DLT.    - "Bob Henry" <bhenry@sct.com> wrote in messagel7 news:a7aa646d.0305190820.634574ab@posting.google.com...rD > This may sound like a dumb question to some, but my OVMS sys adminH > just left so I can't ask him. I need to know if a DLT8000 drive on our9 > DS20E with OVMS 7.3 can produce a TK70 compatible tape.h   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:48:18 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)t$ Subject: Re: TK70 tape compatibility+ Message-ID: <bab1si$erd$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>h  ` In article <a7aa646d.0305190820.634574ab@posting.google.com>, bhenry@sct.com (Bob Henry) writes:C >This may sound like a dumb question to some, but my OVMS sys admin G >just left so I can't ask him. I need to know if a DLT8000 drive on ourc8 >DS20E with OVMS 7.3 can produce a TK70 compatible tape.   Almost certainly not.e  H The general rule is that a later DLT tape drive can read earler DLTs andG (in some but not all instances) TK50 and TK70s. However it cannot write ( tapes in the format of the older drives.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2003 07:28:48 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)5 Subject: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?",3 Message-ID: <zajlZiOemNrd@eisner.encompasserve.org>6  0 There is a strange article at the Inquirer here:  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9539  L The first bit (about EV8 in Itanium) reads almost as if a certain COV poster" had been writing for the Inquirer.  N However, I then had a major humour failure with the last sentence which reads:  4 	Shame that HPQ is trying to dump OpenVMS, isn't it?  L It's one thing for HP to not actively promote VMS, and just to be content to maintain the current userbase.  I It's a completely different matter for the Inquirer to imply that HPQ are4I actively trying to get rid of it; even if it's not accurate (I'm assumingIG that it isn't), making that kind of statement just damages VMS further.R  
 Comments ?   Simon.   -- -B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:53:57 GMT & From: Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz>9 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"o0 Message-ID: <CFN377606123943171@news.cup.hp.com>  K On 19 May 2003 07:28:48 -0500 clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP a (Simon Clubley) wrote:    K > It's a completely different matter for the Inquirer to imply that HPQ areiK > actively trying to get rid of it; even if it's not accurate (I'm assuming I > that it isn't), making that kind of statement just damages VMS further.t >  > Comments ?  N Perhaps somebody is just pushing HP to react. If they will not deny this then  it's obvious that it's true.   Jirkan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:56:59 -0400a( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>9 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"r( Message-ID: <3EC8F0BB.405@tsoft-inc.com>   Simon Clubley wrote:  2 > There is a strange article at the Inquirer here: > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9539 > N > The first bit (about EV8 in Itanium) reads almost as if a certain COV poster$ > had been writing for the Inquirer. > P > However, I then had a major humour failure with the last sentence which reads: > 6 > 	Shame that HPQ is trying to dump OpenVMS, isn't it? > N > It's one thing for HP to not actively promote VMS, and just to be content to  > maintain the current userbase. > K > It's a completely different matter for the Inquirer to imply that HPQ areeK > actively trying to get rid of it; even if it's not accurate (I'm assumingnI > that it isn't), making that kind of statement just damages VMS further.h >  > Comments ? >  > Simon.    I Just rationalizing here, and that's usually a silly thing to do, however:l  M Lets say that you ran a company that produced widget1, widget2, and widget3.  I Each product has it's group of customers, who continue to purchase their AN prefered widgets.  For some reason some rumors are making the rounds that you K are going to discontinue producing widget2.  Customers who use widget2 are nT concerned, because they count on a continuing supply of widget2.  What would you do?   1) If the rumors were true?t 	Confirm the rumors > 	Ignore the issue until you're ready to discontinue production   2) If the rumors were false?R 	Contact customers and assure them that widget2 will be produced as long as there  is demand for itP 	Ignore the rumors, thus letting customers worry and/or go to another producer, 3 and letting your competitors get a foot in the doorm  N Ok, there may be other options, but considering the above, if the rumors were J true, you'd be risking short term income by confirming the rumors because P customers would seek alternatives rapidly.  However, confirming the rumor would # be the morally 'right' thing to do.e  N If the rumors were false, then just having roadmaps into the future, which in M some cases with VMS don't appear to go too far, just might not be enough for iO customers that are nervous.  A vendor/customer relationship is a 2-way street. h= The vendor should be concerned with it's customer's concerns.a  Q So, except for Rob, and maybe a few others, HP hasn't been very forthcoming with  M such communication and assurances.  The preceived half-steps with EV7 aren't 0S helping matters.  Statements about 'burning bridges' aren't very comforting either.0  O Looked at from the above perspective, would you have some valid concerns about g the future of widget2?   Dave   -- 04 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.276 ************************