1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 20 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 278       Contents: anyone seen this Mozilla error? # Re: anyone seen this Mozilla error?  Re: as2100 inside pictures# Choosing a CD-RW for my Alpha DS20E ' Re: Choosing a CD-RW for my Alpha DS20E ' Re: Choosing a CD-RW for my Alpha DS20E  Re: CSWS 1.3 CGI question ( RE: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS? DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 Re: DFU question Disk drive problems  Finding out if TCPIP is in use" Re: Finding out if TCPIP is in use FREE TO A GOOD HOME ' Re: From Systems and Options Catalogue: : Re: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft Windows2 Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far?2 Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far?2 Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far?2 Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far?2 RE: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far?3 Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign 3 Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign : Re: I was asked to post this message regarding Golden Eggs* Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A Re: New VMS logo ?@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down! OpenVMS and TomCat 4.1.24 P RE: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -	FIRST Itanium(tmP OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(tm) VP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(tP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tmP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm PHP monitor interface. Re: PHP monitor interface.  prod install hung - help please!$ Re: prod install hung - help please!$ Re: prod install hung - help please! Re: question of function delay Re: question of function delay
 RUN /DETACHED  Re: RUN /DETACHED  Re: RUN /DETACHED  Re: RUN /DETACHED  Re: RUN /DETACHED  Re: RUN /DETACHED  Re: RUN /DETACHED  Re: RUN /DETACHED 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! ! Re: TCPIP device inactive message 1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report 1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report " Re: [MOZILLA B1.4] Junk Controls ?0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:57:54 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ( Subject: anyone seen this Mozilla error?; Message-ID: <01KW49X1WVEYAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   5         Xlib: resource ID allocation space exhausted! ? Gdk-ERROR **: BadIDChoice (invalid resource ID chosen for this   connection) =   serial 300156455 error_code 14 request_code 53 minor_code 0 > Gdk-ERROR **: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)<   serial 300156456 error_code 9 request_code 70 minor_code 0   $ sh syst/noprocJ OpenVMS V7.3  on node XXXXXX  20-MAY-2003 14:50:48.46  Uptime  57 00:09:16& $ write sys$output f$getsyi("hw_name") Digital Personal WorkStation& $ write sys$output f$getsyi("memsize") 32768   9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:      4200  Bytlm:      2000000 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:      2400  JTquota:      60000 9 Prclm:          20  DIOlm:      2400  WSdef:         2000 9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:       300  WSquo:         4096 9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:       400  WSextent:    550000 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:    2200000   7 DECwindows ident is                     DW T1.2-6010222 6 DECwindows server ident is              DW V7.1-0103176 DECwindows transport ident is           DW V7.3-0108207 DECwindows xlib ident is                DW T1.2-6010222 7 DECwindows OSF/Motif Toolkit ident is   DW T1.2-6010222 7 DECwindows apps ident is                DW V1.2-6010222 7 DECwindows programming ident is         DW T1.2-6010222   ! Anything obviously misconfigured?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:53:33 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> , Subject: Re: anyone seen this Mozilla error?, Message-ID: <3ECA6B9D.7000208@theblakes.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   6 >        Xlib: resource ID allocation space exhausted!@ >Gdk-ERROR **: BadIDChoice (invalid resource ID chosen for this  >connection)> >  serial 300156455 error_code 14 request_code 53 minor_code 0? >Gdk-ERROR **: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) = >  serial 300156456 error_code 9 request_code 70 minor_code 0  > F X11R5 has a finite number of resource id's. Once they're gone, that's B it. There's nothing Mozilla (or any other app) can do about it. I 0 believe this problem is fixed in R6 (MOTIF 1.3).  ; See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115467 and  > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88671 for details.   Colin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:49:11 +0200 / From: Roland Barmettler <spamsink@crapmail.com> # Subject: Re: as2100 inside pictures ; Message-ID: <20030520144911.016ca55c.spamsink@crapmail.com>    Hello   9 Some of you were interested in the PHP monitor interface. E It's quite simple and I don't take any responsibility if it's messing   something up on your system. ;-)  / http://naboo.freestone.net/sysinfo/monitor.phps    Cheers, Roland   --" %SYSTEM-W-MNDYMRNG, monday morning   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 06:58:21 -0700  From: bhenry@sct.com (Bob Henry), Subject: Choosing a CD-RW for my Alpha DS20E= Message-ID: <a7aa646d.0305200558.26c8726a@posting.google.com>   C I want to add a CD-RW device to my Alpha DS20E with OVMS 7.3 (to be E upgraded to 7.3.1 in the near future). I'll be using CDRECORD to burn E Alpha-specific platters. I don't know the Alpha environment very well E so I need some suggestions about what specific kinds of hardware will C work and what the protocol should be (SCSI or IDE). All suggestions  are welcome.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:25:01 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: Choosing a CD-RW for my Alpha DS20E0 Message-ID: <00A20242.87984AAE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <a7aa646d.0305200558.26c8726a@posting.google.com>, bhenry@sct.com (Bob Henry) writes:D >I want to add a CD-RW device to my Alpha DS20E with OVMS 7.3 (to beF >upgraded to 7.3.1 in the near future). I'll be using CDRECORD to burnF >Alpha-specific platters. I don't know the Alpha environment very wellF >so I need some suggestions about what specific kinds of hardware willD >work and what the protocol should be (SCSI or IDE). All suggestions
 >are welcome.   # A533U2$ SHOW DEVICE $1$DKB400:/FULL   N Disk $1$DKB400: (BRAVE), device type YAMAHA CRW2200S, is online, file-orientedJ     device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging is     enabled.  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed               7690 O     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W O     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                 512 $     Allocation class               1   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 17:06:25 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 0 Subject: Re: Choosing a CD-RW for my Alpha DS20E- Message-ID: <3eca4471$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   9 In article <00A20242.87984AAE@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   @SendSpamHere.ORG  writes: ? |>In article <a7aa646d.0305200558.26c8726a@posting.google.com>, $ |>bhenry@sct.com (Bob Henry) writes:F |>>I want to add a CD-RW device to my Alpha DS20E with OVMS 7.3 (to beH |>>upgraded to 7.3.1 in the near future). I'll be using CDRECORD to burnH |>>Alpha-specific platters. I don't know the Alpha environment very wellH |>>so I need some suggestions about what specific kinds of hardware willF |>>work and what the protocol should be (SCSI or IDE). All suggestions |>>are welcome.  |>% |>A533U2$ SHOW DEVICE $1$DKB400:/FULL  |>B |>Disk $1$DKB400: (BRAVE), device type YAMAHA CRW2200S, is online, |>file-oriented I |>    device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging  |>is |>    enabled. |>J |>    Error count                    0    Operations completed             |>|>7690H |>    Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                     
 |>[SYSTEM]= |>    Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot             |>S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W J |>    Reference count                0    Default buffer size              |>|>512 & |>    Allocation class               1 |> |>--8 |>VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     |>VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
 |>            7 |>  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   |> |>   Here my output:    $ sh dev $41$dka200:/full   E Disk $41$DKA200: (DG14), device type SONY DVD RW DRU-500A, is online, G file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is  enabled.  K Error count                    0            Operations completed             0 E Owner process                 ""         Owner UIC                     [SYSTEM]C Owner process ID        00000000  Dev Prot      S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W K Reference count                0          Default buffer size                512 7 Host name                 "DG14"       Host type, avail   DigitalPersonalWorkStation , yes  Allocation class              41   IDE + ACARD SCSI-IDE-Konverter.    eberhard   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 10:07:58 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)" Subject: Re: CSWS 1.3 CGI question= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305200907.5b956585@posting.google.com>    winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A201BB.E2105F07@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...g > In article <Cyeya.4382$eo1.206447@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  > O > That would appear to be the case; I probably made some kind of transcription  L > error in combining my lists of variables supported by the three browsers IP > covered.  I'm sorry for the error, and if there's a second edition of the book > I'll get it fixed.  ; another mistake was to not include purveyor in the book ... + will you be fixing that in the 2nd edition?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:40:55 +0100 * From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>1 Subject: RE: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS? O Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCFBD@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>    From: briggs@encompasserve.org   Sent: 19 May 2003 14:13    <snip> > E >All you need to make a DECserver 700 work is a copy of the DECserver K software, e.g. SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]>WWENG2.SYS stored someplace where it : can be downloaded on demand by the DECserver at boot time. > H Depends on which DS700 you have and how much memory its got. If it's theI original with 1Mb of memory, you will need the WWENG1.SYS software, which  was the default.   Andrew Robinson    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:29:48 +0200 $ From: "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com>' Subject: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 4 Message-ID: <3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Hi from Amsterdam,   A summary of day #1:8 http://www.hp-interex.org/conference2003/sag_monday.html  G 1. A strong message: All VMS sessions took place in the Auditorium (700  seats)  L 2. A quote from Rich Marcello "We nearly commited to have OpenVMS on Itanium	 for ever"   F 3. A information from Mark Gorham "There are still 150 000 VAX running today"  L 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to leave VMS' but to allow VMS users to stay with HP"   B 5. An information from Rich "VAX and Alpha Customers who are underA maintenance will upgrade to IA64 for free. Others will have a 40%  reduction".    Now, some subjective data.  L Rich Marcello's General Intro session gathered around 150 persons (I'll post my pictures when I'm back home)   - Mark had around 100 people in the auditorium.   ! Christian Moser had much more :-)    (end of weather report)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 04:29:00 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 ) Message-ID: <3EC9E74A.C34711FF@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote: N > 2. A quote from Rich Marcello "We nearly commited to have OpenVMS on Itanium > for ever"   M Just like they had committed to Alpha for ever. Until Carly starts to mention < VMS in her public presentations, Marcello's word is no good.  H > 3. A information from Mark Gorham "There are still 150 000 VAX running > today"    And HP probably hates all of us.   > N > 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to leave VMS) > but to allow VMS users to stay with HP"   R Yep, like Stallard's memo which said HP expects VMS customers to migrate to HP-UX.  D > 5. An information from Rich "VAX and Alpha Customers who are underC > maintenance will upgrade to IA64 for free. Others will have a 40% 
 > reduction".   N Getting desperate it seems. But "upgrade to VMS on IA64" or "upgrade to Hp_UX"! on IA64 ??? That is the question.   G Sorry, but the strategic presentation of a week or two ago by Carly and K Blackmore (and Ann Livermore)  was pretty clear that VMS had no room within J HP.  So Gorham now has to do some damage control to prevent VMS users from$ going to another vendor too quickly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 06:08:17 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2005030608180001@user-105n891.dialup.mindspring.com>  2 In article <3EC9E74A.C34711FF@istop.com>, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Didier Morandi wrote:O >> 2. A quote from Rich Marcello "We nearly commited to have OpenVMS on Itanium  >> for ever" > N >Just like they had committed to Alpha for ever. Until Carly starts to mention= >VMS in her public presentations, Marcello's word is no good.  > I >> 3. A information from Mark Gorham "There are still 150 000 VAX running 	 >> today"  > ! >And HP probably hates all of us.   J Since VAX customers pay far more for support contracts than it costs HP to* deliver the support, I guess HP loves you.    O >> 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to leave VMS * >> but to allow VMS users to stay with HP" > I >Yep, like Stallard's memo which said HP expects VMS customers to migrate 	 to HP-UX.   I Again, Stallard didn't say this.  No matter how many times you stretch it < and take a sentence out of context, it doesn't make it true.    E >> 5. An information from Rich "VAX and Alpha Customers who are under D >> maintenance will upgrade to IA64 for free. Others will have a 40% >> reduction". > O >Getting desperate it seems. But "upgrade to VMS on IA64" or "upgrade to Hp_UX" " >on IA64 ??? That is the question.    H >Sorry, but the strategic presentation of a week or two ago by Carly andL >Blackmore (and Ann Livermore)  was pretty clear that VMS had no room withinK >HP.  So Gorham now has to do some damage control to prevent VMS users from % >going to another vendor too quickly.   + Yup, it's pretty clear that JF is paranoid.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:30:18 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 + Message-ID: <bad03p$lrr$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   [ In article <3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> writes:  >Hi from Amsterdam,  >  >A summary of day #1: 9 >http://www.hp-interex.org/conference2003/sag_monday.html  > H >1. A strong message: All VMS sessions took place in the Auditorium (700 >seats)  > M >2. A quote from Rich Marcello "We nearly commited to have OpenVMS on Itanium 
 >for ever" >   F To me it still looks like an even chance that Alpha will outlast IA64.    G >3. A information from Mark Gorham "There are still 150 000 VAX running  >today"  > M >4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to leave VMS ( >but to allow VMS users to stay with HP" > H An extremely odd thing to say. Of course customers will switch operatingN systems occasionally and HP's aim is to sell it's own systems. There is no wayM that HP could prevent such moves whether from VMS or HP-UX. The aim should be N to minimise such defections and through advertising attract other companies to their offerings.  I Unfortunately this sounds much too much like Stallard's statement that HP 2 expected VMS users to eventually migrate to HP-UX.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University        C >5. An information from Rich "VAX and Alpha Customers who are under B >maintenance will upgrade to IA64 for free. Others will have a 40% >reduction". >  >Now, some subjective data.  > M >Rich Marcello's General Intro session gathered around 150 persons (I'll post   >my pictures when I'm back home) > . >Mark had around 100 people in the auditorium. > " >Christian Moser had much more :-) >  >(end of weather report) >  >D.  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 06:33:28 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 3 Message-ID: <4L6roa+RO0tI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> writes:   N > Rich Marcello's General Intro session gathered around 150 persons (I'll post! > my pictures when I'm back home)  > / > Mark had around 100 people in the auditorium.  > # > Christian Moser had much more :-)   3 That is because Christian Moser speaks European :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 06:36:54 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 3 Message-ID: <xLPfzkSl5t1P@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> writes:  > Hi from Amsterdam, >   3 Interesting comments, I have a couple of questions:    > N > 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to leave VMS) > but to allow VMS users to stay with HP"  >   ) In what context was this statement made ?   M If it's a "if you have already decided to leave VMS, we want you to stay with  HP" I can live with that.   @ If this was not in that context, then it's a wierd thing to say.  D > 5. An information from Rich "VAX and Alpha Customers who are underC > maintenance will upgrade to IA64 for free. Others will have a 40% 
 > reduction".  >   M Interesting. Does this mean that we are about to see a forced platform change 
 to IA-64 ?   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2003 13:39:20 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 5 Message-ID: <badb68$rnmmj$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   + In article <bad03p$lrr$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, . 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes: > H > To me it still looks like an even chance that Alpha will outlast IA64.  * I expect the PDP-11 will outlast the IA64.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:00:25 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 J Message-ID: <JFpya.192676$M81.173053@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message . news:3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > Hi from Amsterdam, >  > A summary of day #1:: > http://www.hp-interex.org/conference2003/sag_monday.html >  > D > 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to	 leave VMS ) > but to allow VMS users to stay with HP"   7 In maintenance mode. Or on HP hardware running Windows.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:09:09 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 J Message-ID: <VNpya.192767$M81.141061@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message F news:rdeininger-2005030608180001@user-105n891.dialup.mindspring.com...4 > In article <3EC9E74A.C34711FF@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: >  > D > >> 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to leave VMS, > >> but to allow VMS users to stay with HP" > > C > >Yep, like Stallard's memo which said HP expects VMS customers to  migrate  > to HP-UX.  > @ > Again, Stallard didn't say this.  No matter how many times you
 stretch it> > and take a sentence out of context, it doesn't make it true.    C Surprisingly enough, the special edition of the "Times" newsletter,  regarding OpenVMS and $ Tru64 in the new hp, can be found at  F http://www.compaq.com/hps/download/Tru64UNIX_OpenVMS_Times_Rev2_052202 .pdf   In it Scott Stallard says:  E "We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio to Itanium ; and will provide new tools and services to assist customers   who desire to migrate to HP-UX."    F The conjunction "and" tells any English major that what follows refersA to the statement immediately prior to the "and". The inference is  clear.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:00:51 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 J Message-ID: <nyqya.193303$M81.131531@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message . news:3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > Hi from Amsterdam, >  > A summary of day #1:: > http://www.hp-interex.org/conference2003/sag_monday.html > D > 1. A strong message: All VMS sessions took place in the Auditorium (700 > seats) > F > 2. A quote from Rich Marcello "We nearly commited to have OpenVMS on Itanium  > for ever"  > @ > 3. A information from Mark Gorham "There are still 150 000 VAX running  > today" > D > 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to	 leave VMS ) > but to allow VMS users to stay with HP"  > D > 5. An information from Rich "VAX and Alpha Customers who are underC > maintenance will upgrade to IA64 for free. Others will have a 40% 
 > reduction".  >  > Now, some subjective data. > C > Rich Marcello's General Intro session gathered around 150 persons 
 (I'll post! > my pictures when I'm back home)  > / > Mark had around 100 people in the auditorium.      Didier,   C If you can still find Gorham and/or Marcello at the conference, ask / them the following questions exactly as worded:   B 1) When is OpenVMS going to be advertised in a public manner, withB advertising expenditures proportionate with OpenVMS revenue to HP?E Will we see OpenVMS advertised in the same campaigns as all the other 4 HP products such as the current world-wide campaign?  B 2) When is Carly going to make a public statement, at a noteworthyC event like COMDEX, that OpenVMS is going to be actively sold to new = customers on the same basis as any other HP operating system?   A 3) When are OpenVMS customer success stories going to be used for C anything other than a .pdf file on the web site? These pdf's aren't E seen by anyone other than those who specifically go looking for them, C which is usually existing OpenVMS system managers/customers looking D for ammunition to present to their management as reasons NOT to dump! OpenVMS from their organizations.   E 4) Rich/Mark - in your estimation, what percentage of HP inside sales E people know about OpenVMS? And of that percentage, what percentage of 9 those are qualified to talk about OpenVMS with customers?   C 5) Does HP actively discourage new customers from acquiring OpenVMS F vs. HP-UX? If so, why? ( I have an ulterior motive in hearing what the response will be. )    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:17:35 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 , Message-ID: <3eca4abb$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  C > 3) When are OpenVMS customer success stories going to be used for E > anything other than a .pdf file on the web site? These pdf's aren't G > seen by anyone other than those who specifically go looking for them, E > which is usually existing OpenVMS system managers/customers looking F > for ammunition to present to their management as reasons NOT to dump# > OpenVMS from their organizations.   J exactly which success stories are not in HTML format? where on the OpenVMS
 site is this?   I Since I put EVERY success story, presentation and any other windows based ! document into HTML format for the G web site if I've overlooked one please let me know and I'll get an html 1 version up asap. Having just checked I don't find I any PDF only documents on the site. Again if you find a pdf only document % without an html document let me know.    -warren    --  K --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM) B Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comK 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.com . Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48755    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself *          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------       . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:nyqya.193303$M81.131531@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > 1 > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message 0 > news:3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > > Hi from Amsterdam, > >  > > A summary of day #1:< > > http://www.hp-interex.org/conference2003/sag_monday.html > > F > > 1. A strong message: All VMS sessions took place in the Auditorium > (700
 > > seats) > > H > > 2. A quote from Rich Marcello "We nearly commited to have OpenVMS on	 > Itanium 
 > > for ever"  > > B > > 3. A information from Mark Gorham "There are still 150 000 VAX	 > running 
 > > today" > > F > > 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to > leave VMS + > > but to allow VMS users to stay with HP"  > > F > > 5. An information from Rich "VAX and Alpha Customers who are underE > > maintenance will upgrade to IA64 for free. Others will have a 40%  > > reduction".  > >  > > Now, some subjective data. > > E > > Rich Marcello's General Intro session gathered around 150 persons  > (I'll post# > > my pictures when I'm back home)  > > 1 > > Mark had around 100 people in the auditorium.  >  > 	 > Didier,  > E > If you can still find Gorham and/or Marcello at the conference, ask 1 > them the following questions exactly as worded:  > D > 1) When is OpenVMS going to be advertised in a public manner, withD > advertising expenditures proportionate with OpenVMS revenue to HP?G > Will we see OpenVMS advertised in the same campaigns as all the other 6 > HP products such as the current world-wide campaign? > D > 2) When is Carly going to make a public statement, at a noteworthyE > event like COMDEX, that OpenVMS is going to be actively sold to new ? > customers on the same basis as any other HP operating system?  > C > 3) When are OpenVMS customer success stories going to be used for E > anything other than a .pdf file on the web site? These pdf's aren't G > seen by anyone other than those who specifically go looking for them, E > which is usually existing OpenVMS system managers/customers looking F > for ammunition to present to their management as reasons NOT to dump# > OpenVMS from their organizations.  > G > 4) Rich/Mark - in your estimation, what percentage of HP inside sales G > people know about OpenVMS? And of that percentage, what percentage of ; > those are qualified to talk about OpenVMS with customers?  > E > 5) Does HP actively discourage new customers from acquiring OpenVMS H > vs. HP-UX? If so, why? ( I have an ulterior motive in hearing what the > response will be. )  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:02:56 GMT , From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 > Message-ID: <Asrya.42051$Lm2.3069279@twister.southeast.rr.com>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:VNpya.192767$M81.141061@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > A > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message H > news:rdeininger-2005030608180001@user-105n891.dialup.mindspring.com...6 > > In article <3EC9E74A.C34711FF@istop.com>, JF Mezei& > > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: > >  > > F > > >> 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users > to leave VMS. > > >> but to allow VMS users to stay with HP" > > > E > > >Yep, like Stallard's memo which said HP expects VMS customers to 	 > migrate 
 > > to HP-UX.  > > B > > Again, Stallard didn't say this.  No matter how many times you > stretch it@ > > and take a sentence out of context, it doesn't make it true.   [snip]  G > "We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio to Itanium = > and will provide new tools and services to assist customers " > who desire to migrate to HP-UX." >  > H > The conjunction "and" tells any English major that what follows refersC > to the statement immediately prior to the "and". The inference is  > clear.  J I can't help but think of Bill Clinton wanting to know what the definition of "is" is.   2 This expands the definition of "and" and "desire."  D We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio to ItaniumH together with or along with; in addition to; as well as will provide newL tools and services to assist customers who wish or long for; want; express a/ wish for; request a desire to migrate to HP-UX.    Ken    -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 11:00:22 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 3 Message-ID: <E6RAgJwN9dtG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3eca4abb$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: D >> 3) When are OpenVMS customer success stories going to be used forF >> anything other than a .pdf file on the web site? These pdf's aren'tH >> seen by anyone other than those who specifically go looking for them,F >> which is usually existing OpenVMS system managers/customers lookingG >> for ammunition to present to their management as reasons NOT to dump $ >> OpenVMS from their organizations. > L > exactly which success stories are not in HTML format? where on the OpenVMS > site is this?r > K > Since I put EVERY success story, presentation and any other windows basedC# > document into HTML format for thegI > web site if I've overlooked one please let me know and I'll get an html 3 > version up asap. Having just checked I don't find K > any PDF only documents on the site. Again if you find a pdf only document1' > without an html document let me know.   0 Thanks Warren for the conversion to HTML effort.K It makes a big difference to be able to see it from the platform discussed.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:51:19 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 J Message-ID: <b2tya.249693$kYH.203598@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in message 8 news:Asrya.42051$Lm2.3069279@twister.southeast.rr.com...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > news:VNpya.192767$M81.141061@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >nC > > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageI > >mF news:rdeininger-2005030608180001@user-105n891.dialup.mindspring.com...8 > > > In article <3EC9E74A.C34711FF@istop.com>, JF Mezei( > > > <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: > > >? > > >oB > > > >> 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users' > > to leave VMS0 > > > >> but to allow VMS users to stay with HP" > > > > D > > > >Yep, like Stallard's memo which said HP expects VMS customers to > > migratee > > > to HP-UX.e > > >hD > > > Again, Stallard didn't say this.  No matter how many times you > > stretch itB > > > and take a sentence out of context, it doesn't make it true. >A > [snip] >lA > > "We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio tol ItaniumX? > > and will provide new tools and services to assist customers $ > > who desire to migrate to HP-UX." > >n > >iC > > The conjunction "and" tells any English major that what followsh refersE > > to the statement immediately prior to the "and". The inference ise
 > > clear. >tA > I can't help but think of Bill Clinton wanting to know what thes
 definition
 > of "is" is.  >s4 > This expands the definition of "and" and "desire." >nF > We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio to ItaniumF > together with or along with; in addition to; as well as will provide newwD > tools and services to assist customers who wish or long for; want;	 express aS1 > wish for; request a desire to migrate to HP-UX.o    2 And here's another web site you might want to run:2 www.HP_wants_you_to_move_from_openvms_to_HP-UX.org  F As for content for that site you can have Stallard's statements, videoB clips of carly's stunning silence about OpenVMS, the throttling of? EV7x, no hedge against the failure of IA-64 (in other words notiE spending $60-100MM to keep the Alpha design team intact vs. foregoingeB away billions in revenue since Alphacide), and other goodies like:  # HP's InView publication, located atd; http://www.hp.com/execcomm/inview/august02/aug02_epii4.html   E It is interesting for the pointed lack of mention of OpenVMS as beingeE a viable operating system to be suggested for use by HP customers and F prospective customers. Read the quotes and spot which operating system is missing.b  D "... HP is delivering the technology to get there, with systems that? support HP-UX, Windows and Linux." (good confidence builder fort# existing and prospective VMS users)k  B "HP is inventing where it makes sense, using our capital wisely to> ensure that our multi-OS strategy enables a choice among threeF operating systems to address varying business needs - HP-UX, Linux andF 64-bit Windows ..." (inventing where it makes sense...not in VMS - yet more confidence building)<  E "...to ensure that our multi-OS strategy enables a choice among threerF operating systems to address varying business needs - HP-UX, Linux andD 64-bit Windows - and be able to switch operating systems as businessB needs change."  (from one crap o/s to another, but not to a robust6 o/s - yet more confidence building for the VMS market)  E "One of our most successful programs is "Designing the Future," whereiB we're helping our partners prepare their HP-UX, 64-bit Windows andA Linux applications for Itanium."  (silence about VMS partners andmC pursuit of new ISV's - effectively, you VMS users will get what youn( get and not one iota more - be thankful)  > "HP with HP-UX 11i, Linux or Windows offers enhanced computingE performance today and with a solid roadmap for the near future."  (by C inference, OpenVMS doesn't have a solid roadmap - we can EOL you inl 2005)     C and as practically a footnote, which nobody would read after seeing: all the foregoing.....F "With the recent HP/Compaq merger, we will now phase the former CompaqD product lines, the Alpha, VMS and Non-Stop systems, into the overallA plan to transition to Itanium-based products. We will continue todF support the commitments made to Alpha and VMS customers as we converge: these systems into a single, unified product and processorD architecture." ....but we won't do a damn thing about making the VMSB market a viable one for new potential users (see all the foregoing quotes).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:08:54 GMTg# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1rI Message-ID: <Gitya.249711$kYH.76459@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>l  7 "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in messageh& news:3eca4abb$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...E > > 3) When are OpenVMS customer success stories going to be used fora@ > > anything other than a .pdf file on the web site? These pdf's aren'tC > > seen by anyone other than those who specifically go looking fora them,m? > > which is usually existing OpenVMS system managers/customerst lookingmC > > for ammunition to present to their management as reasons NOT toe dump% > > OpenVMS from their organizations.l >oD > exactly which success stories are not in HTML format? where on the OpenVMSF > site is this?p >bE > Since I put EVERY success story, presentation and any other windowsl basedh# > document into HTML format for theoD > web site if I've overlooked one please let me know and I'll get an html3 > version up asap. Having just checked I don't find B > any PDF only documents on the site. Again if you find a pdf only document' > without an html document let me know.o     My apologies Warren.  & Both HTML and PDF forms are available.  E I tend only to be interested in the pdf forms because they are easily E downloadable and distributable. Plus they're nice to have 'off-line', D if, as, and when HP chooses to revise history or make them no longer
 available.  4 As one American president said, "Trust. But verify."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:01:32 +0100g0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: DFU questionD4 Message-ID: <bacqtj$je2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:: > DFU V2.7A (24-SEP-2002) seems to be the current version. > = > 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dfu027a/t > J > (which seems strange as the dfu027a.zip there has a date of 14-Aug-2002)    Just trying to install that now.@ Fetched the AXP PCSI kit, logged in as system, did prod ins dfu.$ It got rapidly to 90%, then stalled.G It's been stalled for nearly an hour, in LEF state, using no resources. # Control/C recommends continuing ...a Any suggestions anyone ?   DS20E, VMS 7.3H (the PCSI kit contains .obj files, so the .exe date is not significant).   Thanks,C Chrisv   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 10:51:45 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@KJSL.COM> Subject: Disk drive problems- Message-ID: <86k7cl1p72.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com>s  
 Greetings,  I I've an Alphastation 255/300, which has a couple of SCSI disk drives. Oneo8 of them is starting to log hardware errors occasionally.  J I also have an older Alphastation, with a PCI bus, currently unused. I wasJ wondering about IDE disk drive support under VMS. Can it be done? Is there* a PCI bus IDE controller supported by VMS?  E The theory is to migrate to the Alphastation with the PCI bus and IDEcF drives. This is all for personal use at home, so cost is an issue, and@ it seems that large IDE drives are way cheaper than SCSI drives.   Thanks.    -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:09:58 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>' Subject: Finding out if TCPIP is in use ) Message-ID: <3EC9F0E6.A0BDD8D0@istop.com>A  N Ok, I get a great deal of data download during certain hours of the night. ButM to use that, I must send a command to my router to close the link and re-open @ it again at the start of the period, and again at end of period.  L I woudl like to find an easy way to ensure that when I reset the line (PPPoEI link), there are no active links to the internet. (for instance, the smtpp> server isn't in the process of sending or receiving messages).  2 Any suggestion on how this would be accomplished ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:50:35 +0100 (MET)h9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e+ Subject: Re: Finding out if TCPIP is in use>; Message-ID: <01KW4BYD8WTUAM3M2Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>v  G > I woudl like to find an easy way to ensure that when I reset the linerI > (PPPoE link), there are no active links to the internet. (for instance,oJ > the smtp server isn't in the process of sending or receiving messages).  > 5 > Any suggestion on how this would be accomplished ? ,  D Perhaps (the equivalent of) parsing the output of TCPIP SHOW DEVICE?   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:40:50 -0400 (EDT) + From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>> Subject: FREE TO A GOOD HOMEH Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.55L-032.0305201238560.3039@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>  B So, my revised list of hardware free to a good home is as follows:   1 IBM RS6000 powerstation 250  1 Macintosh IIcx 1 DECstation 3100  2 DECstation 2100  1 DECstation 5000/125s
 1 DEC3000/3001 1 VAX 11/730 1 VAX 11/750
 1 HP 9000/300t	 1 sparc 2 " 1 sun 3/60, the original pizza box All the guts of a VAX 6410 1 TU80 9track tape drive 1 DECsystem 5400' 1 MicroVAX in a BA213 - must go quicklyh/ Lots of TK50s, Qbus parts, and tons of manuals.,  3 All the gear is in Pittsburgh, PA, free for pickup.i   Happy hacking, isildura   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 00:29:37 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)0 Subject: Re: From Systems and Options Catalogue:= Message-ID: <7500353b.0305192329.1896d2d9@posting.google.com>   J > Actually, come to think of it, Desqview/X is the only X-Windows softwareK > that I'm aware of for MS-DOS, there were numerous companies making it for  > Windows at one time.   That was it :)  < But I recall it had severe memory limitations due ms-dos 640E limitation that didint work too well and if I remember correctly, ems-C was too slow and still the result was too limiting to port any unixo stuff to it.   Mist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:27:37 GMT@( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>C Subject: Re: getting data off an OpenVMS Alpha to Microsoft Windows ? Message-ID: <d3qya.3746$sh5.2681388@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com><  I I agree with David,  the real trick will be converting the data that will.L likely be in RMS indexed files or a DB to some form of formatted flat beforeF moving the data off OpenVMS.  Converting binary dates and other binaryF numerical data to data for the PC on the PC will be a long row to hoe.   Todd5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagen$ news:3EC98C8A.80406@tsoft-inc.com... > Michael Austin wrote:l >u > > Zack Sessions wrote: > >iH > >>I work for a software house whose primary product line is a suite ofJ > >>applications that run on Windows NT to support the information storage> > >>needs of public safety agencies such as Police and SheriffB > >>Departments, 911 Centers, Fire Departments and EMS. One of theJ > >>services we provide for our new customers is to transfer the data fromI > >>their former computer systems to a historical database in order to doT  > >>lookups on their older data. > >>G > >>We have an agency who has been using our software for about 5 years J > >>now, but they never tried to send us their old data for mapping to ourJ > >>historical database. The system that was running on now is so old thatJ > >>there is no one who works there now who knows anything about it at theI > >>system level. It is an Alpha workstation running OpenVMS V6.something A > >>and a custom application package called COPS. It is no longer9G > >>connected to their network. No one there even remembered the SYSTEM 
 > >>password!n > >>H > >>A couple of my co-workers spent the entire day yesterday onsite withH > >>the idea of trying to transfer the files to a laptop running WindowsI > >>NT through a serial connection. I have the most former VMS experiancerF > >>(6 years working for DEC in the early 80's and 13 years managing aH > >>farm of VAXen at a major GE manufacturing site) of us and was on theH > >>phone with the guys for most of the day. But since it has been aboutI > >>five years since I really had anything to do with VMS it took us mostfF > >>of the day just to get back into the backdoor and reset the SYSTEM
 > >>password.r >l > K > An Alpha running V6.* should have a TCP/IP license.  Actually the old UCXn3 > product.  Still, a simple FTP should be possible.  >iJ > Use a 'crossover' cable to network the 2 systems together.  FTP the data files,H > if applicable.  However, if they're not simple text files, then you're lookingME > at first converting the data to something you can use on the windozD systems.  ItC > would be best to do this before removing the data from the Alpha.A	 Otherwise K > you'll be back here next month asking us how to extract data from the RMS  or > whatever files.i >dF > Knowing the COPS software and data structures would also be helpful. >n >iH > >>We now plan to go back again and try to get the data. Since its beenF > >>so long since I was "intimate" with VMS, I have forgotton a lot ofG > >>stuff. The main things that would help me would be some pointers onME > >>the best way to transfer this data (any new purchases of software,E > >>utilities for the Alpha would be out of the question, freeware is H > >>another thing entirely!). I tried to access Hunter Goatley's websiteG > >>looking for VMS freeware but the last reference to a link I saw was E > >>several years ago and the link is now invalid. A link or links toI? > >>where some VMS freeware is available would be very helpful.  > >>I > >>Thanks in advance for any help. Replies either here or in email wouldr > >>be welcome.o > >> > >>Zack Sessionst >S >dJ > Hunter is still around, and so is the site with all the software.  Maybe the VMSr > FAQ would also be helpful. >o >uH > > or, you can ship the box to someone qualified to remove the data andE > > send it to you in zip files.  FirstDBASource.com comes to mind :)R >D >S4 > It was about time for another shameless plug.  :-) >3 >8 > Dave >- > -- .6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486 >    ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 13:08:39 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>n; Subject: Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far? 5 Message-ID: <20030520130839.2808.qmail@gacracker.org>b  6 On Tue, 20 May 2003, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >CJT wrote:r  A >>> IDC are predicting that 25000 Itanium systems will be sold ini3 >>> 2003. Some people think that this is optimisticl >>>M> >>> Currently the average number of CPU's in an Itanium box is$ >>> apparently slightly less than 2. >>>oA >>> So based on IDC optimistic estimates Intel can expect to sellm< >>> 50K Itaniums. At a maximum of 4K a CPU they could expect; >>> to get 20,000,000 dollars in itanium revenue this year.n  # >> better check that multiplicationi  + >Sorry you are right it should say 20000000w  K Taking the commas out just makes it harder for people to check your figure.o? Take a look, you have posted the same value twice, $20million. e  J We're talking about 50K (50,000) CPUs multiplied by 4K (4,000) dollars per CPU.    ) I make that $200,000,000 ($200 million). e  B If you'd erred the other way I would have wondered if you had been moonlighting for Enron. :-)e     Doc. -- gK OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.netdK           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:37:13 +0100rO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e; Subject: Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far?n0 Message-ID: <bad41b$nh8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  
 CJT wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >> Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:  >> >>>s >>> Baby Peanut wrote: >>>l+ >>>> http://www.chipzilla.org/?article=9467  >>>> >>>> >>>>   >>>>- >>> Presuming this is even remotely accurate:  >>>rI >>> " The figures are 760 in 2001 and 3700 in 2002. There are no figures a >>> for 2003 yet." >>>mF >>> Looks like Intel is getting a good bang for the billions of bucks I >>> spent...  Oh ya, not that Alpha did this crappy, but wasn't this the vD >>> excuse for killing Alpha?  Too little volume for the 'billions' H >>> spent?  Seems like we're watching daytime soaps, different channels  >>> but same story...  >>>i >>@ >> IDC are predicting that 25000 Itanium systems will be sold in2 >> 2003. Some people think that this is optimistic >>= >> Currently the average number of CPU's in an Itanium box is # >> apparently slightly less than 2.  >>@ >> So based on IDC optimistic estimates Intel can expect to sell; >> 50K Itaniums. At a maximum of 4K a CPU they could expectM: >> to get 20,000,000 dollars in itanium revenue this year. >  > " > better check that multiplication  * Sorry you are right it should say 20000000   Regards6 Andrew Harrisons >  >>? >> Sun shipped 275,000 SPARC systems with an average of 5 CPU'sc; >> per system in 2002, don't know what we will do this years< >> but it does give you a usefull perspective on where IA-64; >> will be in the 64bit processor market by the end of thisd< >> year if our volumes remain the same. ~4% of Suns volumes. >>
 >> Regards >> Andrew Harrison >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:16:49 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>c; Subject: Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far?s0 Message-ID: <baddck$r11$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Doc.Cypher wrote: 8 > On Tue, 20 May 2003, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >>CJT wrote: >  > A >>>>IDC are predicting that 25000 Itanium systems will be sold ini3 >>>>2003. Some people think that this is optimistic- >>>>> >>>>Currently the average number of CPU's in an Itanium box is$ >>>>apparently slightly less than 2. >>>>A >>>>So based on IDC optimistic estimates Intel can expect to sells< >>>>50K Itaniums. At a maximum of 4K a CPU they could expect; >>>>to get 20,000,000 dollars in itanium revenue this year.n >>>m > # >>>better check that multiplication  >> > , >>Sorry you are right it should say 20000000 >  > M > Taking the commas out just makes it harder for people to check your figure. A > Take a look, you have posted the same value twice, $20million. a > L > We're talking about 50K (50,000) CPUs multiplied by 4K (4,000) dollars per > CPU. u > + > I make that $200,000,000 ($200 million). t >    Sorry I ment 200 million.        Regardsi   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 10:11:34 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski); Subject: Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305200911.66525026@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<ba31ga$546$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...a > > F > > Looks like Intel is getting a good bang for the billions of bucks I > > spent...  Oh ya, not that Alpha did this crappy, but wasn't this the nL > > excuse for killing Alpha?  Too little volume for the 'billions' spent?  I > > Seems like we're watching daytime soaps, different channels but same u > > story... > >  > ? > IDC are predicting that 25000 Itanium systems will be sold ine1 > 2003. Some people think that this is optimistict > < > Currently the average number of CPU's in an Itanium box is" > apparently slightly less than 2. > ? > So based on IDC optimistic estimates Intel can expect to selli: > 50K Itaniums. At a maximum of 4K a CPU they could expect9 > to get 20,000,000 dollars in itanium revenue this year.  > > > Sun shipped 275,000 SPARC systems with an average of 5 CPU's: > per system in 2002, don't know what we will do this year; > but it does give you a usefull perspective on where IA-64.: > will be in the 64bit processor market by the end of this; > year if our volumes remain the same. ~4% of Suns volumes.2 > 	 > Regardse > Andrew Harrisonm  ? better check your math again ... don't you mean with an averageo of 80,000 cpus?m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:17:49 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>l; Subject: RE: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far?H9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMELAHDAA.tom@kednos.com>-  F Shouldn't the plural be Itania?  Of course, Pentium was a Greek-Latin  linguistic bastard   >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]% >Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:12 AMe >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subject: Re: How many Intel Itaniums have been sold so far? >- >n# >Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy t: ><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message - >news:<ba31ga$546$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >> > rG >> > Looks like Intel is getting a good bang for the billions of bucks lJ >> > spent...  Oh ya, not that Alpha did this crappy, but wasn't this the : >> > excuse for killing Alpha?  Too little volume for the  >'billions' spent?  J >> > Seems like we're watching daytime soaps, different channels but same 
 >> > story...t >> > e >> m@ >> IDC are predicting that 25000 Itanium systems will be sold in2 >> 2003. Some people think that this is optimistic >> e= >> Currently the average number of CPU's in an Itanium box isT# >> apparently slightly less than 2.p >>  @ >> So based on IDC optimistic estimates Intel can expect to sell; >> 50K Itaniums. At a maximum of 4K a CPU they could expects: >> to get 20,000,000 dollars in itanium revenue this year. >> X? >> Sun shipped 275,000 SPARC systems with an average of 5 CPU'so; >> per system in 2002, don't know what we will do this year.< >> but it does give you a usefull perspective on where IA-64; >> will be in the 64bit processor market by the end of this@< >> year if our volumes remain the same. ~4% of Suns volumes. >> g
 >> Regards >> Andrew Harrison >0@ >better check your math again ... don't you mean with an average >of 80,000 cpus? >e >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).hA >Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 5/12/2003s >: ---V& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release Date: 5/12/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 02:42:33 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign) Message-ID: <3EC9CE53.1E25DD80@istop.com>n  4 > > Invent went out the door with the Agilent folks.   The real HP went to Agilent.  J The instruments folks should have kept the HP name, and Carly's filly used( Agilent for her wintel centric business.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:17:28 GMTh# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o< Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaignI Message-ID: <IVpya.192859$M81.34985@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>i  - "CJT" <cheljuba@prodigy.net> wrote in messagee$ news:3EC9B950.5060608@prodigy.net... > John Smith wrote:t >n > <snip> > >p4 > > Invent went out the door with the Agilent folks. > >M > >e >s! > That's certainly my impression.     % Perhaps HP should adopt a new slogan:l  / "The New HP. We're Microsoft's hardware bitch."a   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 06:59:18 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgC Subject: Re: I was asked to post this message regarding Golden Eggs 3 Message-ID: <PVEgNRgQACjh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <+ThXfipa4m1F@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:rY > In article <vcj087qgd9g00a@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:m > K >> The improvement in http 1.1 that's causing this problem allows allows anaM >> unlimited number of names to point to the same IP address.  This conservese >> IP addresses. > D > And it prevents access to the site when DNS entries for it are not > fully propagated.e  B Oh.  So you were complaining about a DNS problem rather than a web server problem.   @ Yes.  One of the two name servers for www.visiocafe.com is lame.> Even though it reports its own address as an authority for the= visiocafe.com zone, it does not return authoritative answers.a   	John Briggs  
 > set type=nsr > visiocafe.com. Server:  dns1.na.baesystems.comC Address:  63.164.202.14#   Non-authoritative answer:s, visiocafe.com   nameserver = ns1.i-mecca.net, visiocafe.com   nameserver = ns2.i-mecca.net  ( Authoritative answers can be found from:2 ns1.i-mecca.net internet address = 216.113.197.1002 ns2.i-mecca.net internet address = 216.113.197.101   > server 216.113.197.100  Default Server:  ns1.i-mecca.net Address:  216.113.197.100    > visiocafe.com. Server:  ns1.i-mecca.net Address:  216.113.197.100o   Non-authoritative answer:c ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^, visiocafe.com   nameserver = ns1.i-mecca.net, visiocafe.com   nameserver = ns2.i-mecca.net  ( Authoritative answers can be found from:2 ns1.i-mecca.net internet address = 216.113.197.1002 ns2.i-mecca.net internet address = 216.113.197.101   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 08:35:30 -07002 From: fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Mattison)3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detachedr= Message-ID: <6449213e.0305200735.70d77210@posting.google.com>-  Y briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<E6FQ4UNp3drl@eisner.encompasserve.org>...-t > In article <6449213e.0305151044.78ee9d4f@posting.google.com>, fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Mattison) writes:H > > Switching from RUN image to RUN/DETACHED image, the detached process0 > > is no longer able to reference the logicals. >  > Which logicals?w > B > Yes, RUN/DETACHED will not have access to /PROCESS logical namesG > associated with the creating process.  And it will not have access tosD > /JOB logical names associated with the creating process.  It will,C > however, have access to /GROUP logical names in its own UIC group3 > and to /SYSTEM logical names.e > G > And the RUN/DETACHED process will also not run through the systemwidewD > login command procedure (SYLOGIN.COM) or through the user specific@ > login command procedure (LOGIN.COM).  And it won't pick up theG > DCL default logical names (SYS$LOGIN, SYS$LOGIN_DEVICE, SYS$SCRATCH).hC > And the SYS$INPUT, SYS$OUTPUT and SYS$ERROR logical names presentnI > in the detached process will be ordinary logical names and not pointers / > to pre-opened process permanent files (PPFs).t > * > The easiest way to deal with this is to: > 6 > $ RUN /DETACH [/AUTHORIZE] SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE -0 >   /INPUT=your-choice-of-DCL-command-file.COM -' >   /OUTPUT=your-choice-of-log-file.LOGfE >   ! And don't bother to specify /ERROR= since the /OUTPUT file will J >   ! be used for that.  The /ERROR= parameter can be used by LOGINOUT.EXEE >   ! for undocumented black magic that you don't need to know about.  > G > With /AUTHORIZE, the detached process will automatically log in using F > the user name of the submitter.  The UIC, and process quotas will beE > taken from the UAF.  The systemwide login procedure will be run andsK > the user specific login procedure will be run.  Then the detached processdF > will begin executing DCL commands taken from the input file you haveH > specified.  Those commands may include a RUN command for your program.B > And they may include $ DEFINE or $ ASSIGN commands to create any > needed logical names.  > D > Without /AUTHORIZE, the detached process will not look at the UAF.B > It will run under the username and account of the submitter.  ByA > default it will run under the submitter's UIC.  But that can betA > overridden with the /UIC qualifier.  Process quotas will not beTC > taken from the UAF.  They can be specified on the command line oryC > defaulted.  The user specific login command procedure is not run.n@ > I'm pretty sure the systemwide procedure is run.  Otherwise, aC > /NOAUTHORIZE detached process behaves just like a /AUTHORIZE one.  >  > 	John Briggs   John, E Thank you very much!  I like your suggestion, but have been unable tonD make it work.  There seems to be a problem with invoking the commandB file.  In an effort to solve it, I have reduced the attempt to the simplest possible process.4 This is my situation.  Let me refer to my own names:  < RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.COM  B The process I want to run detached is in file TEST_DETACH.EXE.  ItC does nothing more than create a file.  It responds correctly to RUNR /DETACHED TEST_DETACH.  $ In the above command MY_DCL_FILE is: $ RUN TEST_DETACHu $ EXIT  A When I invoke it this way, @MY_DCL_FILE, the response is correct.1  8 RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.COM  @ results in "identification of created process is 2020024E".  ButA TEST_DETACH is not called.  The file it would have created is not. there!  F If MY_DCL_FILE.COM is replaced with a non-existant file, XYZ.com,  the> same message appears.  There is no error message refering to a non-existant file.  F Preceeding MY_DCL_FILE.COM with the complete path makes no difference.   Do you have a suggestion?    Thanks,r Franko   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:18:37 +0000 (UTC)g? From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to replyt) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100An$ Message-ID: <bacrtc$uqa$1@online.de>  L > > I'm experimenting with some old hardware which I think was OK when I got2 > > it but which I have never properly brought up. >tF > haben hier fast den gleichen setup (DSSI usw..) mail mir mal. Knnen) > dann per tel. versuchen, dir zu helfen.w  C Also, der Kasten hinten hat links 1 kleinen Stecker---sieht aus wienE SCSI-2, ist es aber nicht.  Ist wohl DSSI.  Rechts sind noch 2 davon,nH alle mnnlich.  Dazwischen gibt es mnnliche und weibliche Stecker mit 3E Reihen Pins---wohl QBUS.  Auf der Unterseite gibt es einen CentronicstH SCSI-Stecker.  Ich habe dazu eine BA350 bekommen; oben ist ein Modul (esH gibt also nur Platz fr 6 Platten) mit einem Kabel (also kein Kabel dortG wo blich beim BA350) was eine Verbindung zu eine der 3 kleinen Stecker C hintern am Kasten am 4000-100A darstellt.  (Ein anderer Stecker ist- terminiert.)  ? QBUS interessiert mich nicht.  DSSI eigentlich auch nicht, abereF vielleicht mchte ich die interne Platte benutzen.  Natrlich wenn ichH SCSI-Platten ber diesen DSSI-Bus anschlieen kann wre das interessant;@ zustzlich wre schn, eine zweite BA350 ber den SCSI-Anschluss anzuschlieen.   Beie      >>> SHOW DEVICE  F sehe ich nur den SCSI-Controller, das interne SCSI CD-Laufwerk und den	 DSSI-Bus.s  G Mein nchstes Ziel ist: bei SHOW DEVICE auf der Console SCSI-Platten zuiF sehen, entweder ber den DSSI-Bus samt Adapter oder ber den SCSI-Bus.= Ich hab's ausprobiert und es ging nicht.  Ich will aber nichtaG ausschlieen, dass dies daran lag, dass ich die falsche Kombination vonl& BA/Platte/Caddy/SCSI-Controller hatte.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:19:16 +0000 (UTC)t? From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to replyT) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100Al$ Message-ID: <bacruk$uv9$1@online.de>  E > The first one you mention, the big one is indeed a SCSI connector.     Right.   > TheoJ > male "three row of pins" connector  may be a DSW42 connector. The female  > version does not ring a bell.   B What is DSW42?  Other posters have indicated this might be a QBUS 
 connector.  > > > and three male plugs which look like the small 50 (or 68?)J > > pin SCSI connectors but almost certainly aren't.  It came with a BA350G > > with a cable connecting it to one of the small plugs.  In the BA350$I > > there is some sort of module which I suspect is a DSSI-SCSI convertereD > > (since almost certainly only SCSI disks can go into the BA 350). > K > The way you describe the connector comes close to what VAX 4300's etc usep > for DSSI support.n  G Again, based on what you and other posters say, this appears to be the i case.n  J > Even so you managed to boot from disk someway. What does >>> show device > tell you?m  G Just the internal SCSI CD and the DSSI bus and internal DSSI disk.  No  > disks via the SCSI connector or via the DSSI connector (via a % DSSI-to-SCSI converter in the BA350).i  D > A 4000-90 as in a VAXstation 4000-90? In that case it might want aJ > keyboard and mouse attached as well as a monitor (depending on how S3 is > set).   I Yes, VAXstation.  S3 is up (serial console), VT320 is the console.  This SD is my "standard VAXstation" setup.  I don't even get to the console ? prompt (but should since this setup works with other machines).u  I > Phillip, broad and narrow with pins like a very large DB25 connector orr > like a Centronics connector? l  D No, not like a large DB25 connector (this would be QBUS I guess) butG rather thin with small pins.  Other posters have indicated that this issB a non-standard SCSI connector, though the SCSI itself is standard  SCSI 1.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:19:42 +0000 (UTC)i? From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to reply ) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100Ae$ Message-ID: <bacrvd$uvh$1@online.de>  B > If it helps, Chuck's has pictures of his 4000/100A online with a > commented connector picture. > @ > http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen/vax4000-100a.html   Thanks!o  G Where he has two plated-over slits on the right of the connector, mine  # has two additional DSSI plugs here.h  3 Quite a lot of internal storage for such a machine!o  G I think I understand what's what now.  What puzzles me is that I can't tF get it to see SCSI disks, neither on the SCSI bus nor on the DSSI bus E via a DSSI-to-SCSI adapter.  Perhaps I used the wrong combination of  / disk/caddy/shelp/personality module/controller!i   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:20:12 +0000 (UTC)s? From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to reply/) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A $ Message-ID: <bacs0b$v0j$1@online.de>  H > That would be Qbus.  It takes two cables to connect the 4000-100A to aI > Qbus chassis.  You're lucky to have yours on the back, mine has them ons" > the top, in a rectangular bump.   F Interesting...now I've seen a QBUS!  I'm not interested in getting it C going, and DSSI is interesting only for the internal disks and any  H external SCSI disks I can access via a SCSI-to-DSSI converter (at least & that's what I think it is) in a BA350.  > > > and three male plugs which look like the small 50 (or 68?)4 > > pin SCSI connectors but almost certainly aren't. > @ > If there's a post on each side, those are the DSSI connectors.   Right.   > > It came with a BA350G > > with a cable connecting it to one of the small plugs.  In the BA350rI > > there is some sort of module which I suspect is a DSSI-SCSI converter4E > > (since almost certainly only SCSI disks can go into the BA 350). d > F > HSJ style DSSI-SCSI converter, which lets one put an entire SCSI busG > on a single DSSI node.  Very popular with BA350 chassis and DSSI-only G > boxes, but for this one I would have plugged the native SCSI into thee > BA350.   Can I do BOTH?  F > If b/0 boots standalone backup, then that's all that's on that disk.   That seems to be the case.  F > If both VMS and standalone backup were on there, you'ld normally use+ > b/e0000000 to get to standalone backup.  n   Right.  G > Check boot_flags or something similar at the console prompt to see ifa > e0000000 is the default. O  G 0 is the default (explicitly indicated), but for a non-existent device.s   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:20:33 +0000 (UTC).? From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to replyr) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100An$ Message-ID: <bacs11$v12$1@online.de>  8 > If you cannot find the owner's manual, let me know and9 > I'll track it down; I'm sure it's on the web somewhere.m  I Yes, a pointer would be great.  My bookmarks are rather out of date.  :-(r  > > You could see if the console variable BFLAGS (I think that's> > the one ... try HELP SET and see) has been set. But it would@ > be unusual to have a machine set to default boot into anything  > other than a fully-fledged OS.  D The default boot device is non-existent.  When I boot from the only H other device available (apart from the CD-ROM), it boots only from root  0 and boots standalone backup.  G > > Another piece is a 4000-90.  At power up, the four LEDs on the left K > > (1--4) stay lit all the time.  At first, the leftmost two in the group nL > > on the right (5--6) stay lit, then 5 stays on while 6 goes out, 7 comes K > > up and stays lit and 8 flashes very rapidly.  Any idea what this means?  > I > That one is not listed in the Owner's manual. I have the service guide iG > somewhere, but not to hand. You might try hooking up a VT terminal to B > the printer port on the read (I think either the DB25 or the MMJF > will work - my recollection is that they are the same interface withG > two styles of external port) and flick up S3 at the front (under the  ' > flap). That might give you more info.e  I I ALWAYS have a VT as a console!  Sometimes I have a graphics monitor as sG well, but never as the console.  In this case, I don't even get to the o6 console prompt---but not because of mis-configuration.  @ I've used both the MMJ "printer" port and the DB25 as the serial	 console.     ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:20:58 +0000 (UTC) ? From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to replyc) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A $ Message-ID: <bacs1q$v1c$1@online.de>  F > It's plain SCSI-1, but with a connector unique (as far as I know) toG > DEC. It wasn't unknown for adventurous types to acquire a more normal I > ribbon cable with a Centronics connector on the end and dangle that outq+ > of the box instead, to make life easier. n  G Hey, I've got one of those cables.  If THAT's all it takes to count as 0 adventurous....  :-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:21:26 +0000 (UTC)t? From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to replyo) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100Aa$ Message-ID: <bacs2m$v2g$1@online.de>  G > As for the VAX 4000 model 100A, you indicate it has a CD drive.  WhentH > you get to the console prompt, SHOW CONFIG and SHOW DEVICE should show > you the disk drives. u  I Thanks to responses here, I now know what's what.  My current problem is . getting it to see SCSI disks.n  5 > Boot VMS from the CD, and then check out the disks.-  H I've never booted VMS from CD on VAX.  How similar is it to doing so on  ALPHA?   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 07:29:13 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100Ao3 Message-ID: <HwsY2HESWiNo@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  f In article <bacs2m$v2g$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to reply writes:H >> As for the VAX 4000 model 100A, you indicate it has a CD drive.  WhenI >> you get to the console prompt, SHOW CONFIG and SHOW DEVICE should show  >> you the disk drives.  > K > Thanks to responses here, I now know what's what.  My current problem is   > getting it to see SCSI disks.t  @    Connect a serial terminal to the MMJ port on the HSJ.  You'llE    probably find that the DSSI side of the HSJ is disabled.  For somep%    reason they tend to ship that way.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:38:33 GMTe" From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca>) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100At9 Message-ID: <Xns9381766F074B9falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>n  C helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote in r news:bacrvd$uvh$1@online.de:  C >> If it helps, Chuck's has pictures of his 4000/100A online with ae >> commented connector picture.  >> iA >> http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen/vax4000-100a.htmlv > 	 > Thanks!  > I > Where he has two plated-over slits on the right of the connector, mine -% > has two additional DSSI plugs here.3  : That is because the picture is a 4000/100 not a 4000/100A.   -- c@ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Roade1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canadap http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4s  http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 10:59:20 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Re: New VMS logo ?26 Message-ID: <20030520105920.32549.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.s8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  4 On Sun, 18 May 2003, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:   <snip>   >Or should we add a shark ??   My vote goes to the shark. 5  K I'd _really_ like to see HP license the Hajime shark for use as a VMS logo. @ After all, there are a few people have already appropriated it.   A http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/ovms_art/large/Iovmsmetalshark.gifu   http://hack-a.vmsbox.cjb.net     Doc. -- tK OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.netaK           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:01:17 +0100:O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>oI Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!l0 Message-ID: <bad1tv$mjp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew No.Harrison No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<baal80$om5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...i >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:l >>5 >>>well Andrew, these are official gov't numbers thatt3 >>>definitively prove OpenVMS is the most secure OSo >>>in the world ...  >>>- >>; >>Sadly this study relies on the reliability of each vendor 0 >>posting accurate responses to CERT advisories. >  > 8 > wrong!  This relies on the government posting its CERT6 > findings reliabily ... and I don't think they made a > 244 CERT count error ...    5 So where do the advisories come from origionally ????   $ The answer BTW isn't the government.   regardst Andrew Harrisono   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:21:21 +0100iO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>FI Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!n0 Message-ID: <baddl4$r7b$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew No.Harrison No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<bab2jb$d7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > J >>>As far as I am aware all Andrew has been able to point to are a couple  >> >> of  >>J >>>old DOS attacks which he claims VMS suffered from (with UCX)  but which >> >>   >>J >>>weren't reported on CERT. He has never been able to point to any more s >>
 >> erious  >> >>>breach of VMS security. >>>o >>E >>If I remember correctly it was 4 attacks. I didn't look any further  >>than that. >>B >>The response from the OpenVMS community was that UCX wasn't partC >>of OpenVMS and therefore it was correct for Digital to post theirs1 >>responses saying that OpenVMS wasn't vunerable.  >>B >>Since this was the mindset it was then apparent that OpenVMS/UCX@ >>could well have been vunerable to some/all of the IP stack andC >>bundled IP product attacks but that routinely no one had botheredo >>replying.e >>@ >>It was also apparent that at least in the case of OpenVMS CERTB >>advisories provided no certainty (sorry) with respect to OpenVMS@ >>vunerability at least for a very significant class of attacks. >>	 >>Regardss >>Andrew Harrison  >  > C > and you also seem to forget there are three IP stacks for VMS ...lB > Multinet and TCPware squashed many a CERT bug thru the years ...  D And you seem to forget that Solaris etc is measured on it CERT count$ for an OS that includes an IP stack.  A OpenVMS is measured as an OS that doesn't appear to include an IPs& stack at least from a CERT standpoint.  C So you are not only using a measure at least in the case of OpenVMSp@ which is based on very suspect data (garbage in garbage out) butA you are also then measuring its against OS's that have completely 1 different services included in the OS (IP stack).e  C So can you explain why the measure you provided is of any relevancep
 at all ???   Regards' Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:14:02 -0400 (EDT) + From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu>eI Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down! H Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.55L-032.0305201058180.1819@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>  J wow. For years i have been impressed with the extremely vitriolic attitudeM of VMS people toward any kind of unix, but their almost nonchalant acceptance J of the rubbish from Redmond. While the commercial Unices are pretty bogus,I (though they do tend to work well, even if workign with them gets to be atO pain in the neck sometimes), and while linux used to be (like 6 or 7 years ago) E a lot less of a full-strength system, c'mon guys, times have changed.)G My personal theory is that VMS people never felt threatened by windows,eP because windows is a total POS, but they felt threatened by UNIX from the get-goB because unix actually _can_ compete with VMS on almost all fronts.M I'm not going to try to convince either side that unix of vms are better thanlM each other, because theyre different things, each appropriate for some tasks. M But the undying hostility of VMS people toward unix has never ceased to amazeyL me. If you look in the unix world (and i do not mean 15 year old leet-linux-J weenies, i mean real unix people), you will find that there is an attitudeJ of 'use the right tool for the job', and unix is very much a philosophy ofL making the right tool and the system providing a fertile landscape for doingH so. You will find in the unix community that there is generally a lot ofG respect for VMS, because it is recognized as the right tool for the jobtL sometimes. Aside from vendors with a product to sell you, and rabid advocacyH types, both of whom are the minority in the community, most people wouldK readily suggest using VMS for something where realtime services are needed,nD or heavy duty well-established security is needed, or really seriousK clustering is needed. Newer alpha gear does not have the reliability recordnM that older alphas and VAXen have, but still the attitude of 'vms systems dont ; ever go down' is a pretty strong one in the unix community.0  J My point is, to summarize, that the rabid fear and hatred of unix one seesI in the vms community is pretty irrational. There is no 'conflict' between.L unix and vms. Maybe 15 years ago, some people might want bsd and some peopleD might want vms, installed on the same vax, but these days.. there isO no conflict. The attitude of that conflict is really nonsensical. Use the rightlL tool for the job. The one thing vms folks and unix folks _should_ be able toN agree on is that the sludge from MS is almost certainly _never_ the right tool for _any_ job. :-)   just my .02, isildur  user of both vms and unix58 avid fan of DEC hardware regardless of what it's running http://www.vaxpower.org0    ( On Mon, 19 May 2003, Bob Ceculski wrote:  ? > and you would be a loser as usual ... we would go to Dell and : > windoze if HP tried to kill VMS ... or possibly to a VMS4 > emulator on Dell, but never garbage unix/linux ... >*   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:52:57 +0100 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down! ; Message-ID: <01KW4G6I24X2AKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   * > On Mon, 19 May 2003, Bob Ceculski wrote: > A > > and you would be a loser as usual ... we would go to Dell andr< > > windoze if HP tried to kill VMS ... or possibly to a VMS6 > > emulator on Dell, but never garbage unix/linux ...  4 Don't assume that Bob is a typical representative...  C > wow. For years i have been impressed with the extremely vitriolicrB > attitude of VMS people toward any kind of unix, but their almost5 > nonchalant acceptance of the rubbish from Redmond. p  .G > While the commercial Unices are pretty bogus, (though they do tend touD > work well, even if workign with them gets to be a pain in the neckF > sometimes), and while linux used to be (like 6 or 7 years ago) a lotD > less of a full-strength system, c'mon guys, times have changed. MyF > personal theory is that VMS people never felt threatened by windows,G > because windows is a total POS, but they felt threatened by UNIX from>G > the get-go because unix actually _can_ compete with VMS on almost alliG > fronts. I'm not going to try to convince either side that unix of vms C > are better than each other, because theyre different things, eachhE > appropriate for some tasks. But the undying hostility of VMS peoplei, > toward unix has never ceased to amaze me.   rJ > If you look in the unix world (and i do not mean 15 year old leet-linux-C > weenies, i mean real unix people), you will find that there is an>G > attitude of 'use the right tool for the job', and unix is very much a H > philosophy of making the right tool and the system providing a fertileH > landscape for doing so. You will find in the unix community that thereH > is generally a lot of respect for VMS, because it is recognized as the$ > right tool for the job sometimes.  > G > My point is, to summarize, that the rabid fear and hatred of unix oneeH > sees in the vms community is pretty irrational. There is no 'conflict'J > between unix and vms. Maybe 15 years ago, some people might want bsd andI > some people might want vms, installed on the same vax, but these days.. ? > there is no conflict. The attitude of that conflict is really / > nonsensical. Use the right tool for the job. t  F What would be an example for a situation where unix is the right tool  for the job and VMS is not?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:33:32 -0400t* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!i2 Message-ID: <AYycnRdcppd9xVejXTWcow@metrocast.net>  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KW4G6I24X2AKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...r   ...o  G > What would be an example for a situation where unix is the right toolw > for the job and VMS is not?   K Many (some would argue most) situations where VMS's additional capabilities G just aren't required.  Especially the subset of those where file systemmG performance is important and the developers/users don't want to have toyJ spend inordinate amounts of effort optimizing the platform to correct poor choices of default behavior.  H Or situations where some of VMS's unique strengths may be useful but areK outweighed by other considerations (availability of knowledgeable personneln being one biggie).  D And the fact that several reasonably competent varieties of Unix are. available free of charge doesn't hurt, either.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:50:45 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>iI Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!a0 Message-ID: <F1tya.1147$hN.555@news.cpqcorp.net>  8 "Lord Isildur" <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in messageB news:Pine.GSO.4.55L-032.0305201058180.1819@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu... >v >gL > wow. For years i have been impressed with the extremely vitriolic attitudeD > of VMS people toward any kind of unix, but their almost nonchalant
 acceptance > of the rubbish from Redmond.  L The 'rubbish from Redmond' dominates the world.  There is no UNIX, Linux, orL VMS desktop - aside from very specialized niches, and the lunatic fringe.  IL write VMS OS code, and on my desktop is a PC and a VMS "workstation".  I canL do my work (if crippled) without the workstation, I can't do without the PC.K Neither Linux or any flavor of UNIX can do the things that I rely on the PC K to do - even if the PC has low reliability (although I grudgingly note thataH since being forced to Windows XP Professional, I don't remember the lastF time my system hung or otherwise needed to be rebooted - except for SW fixes/upgrades).  0 Love it, hate it - you *have* to accept Windows.  / > While the commercial Unices are pretty bogus,cK > (though they do tend to work well, even if workign with them gets to be a L > pain in the neck sometimes), and while linux used to be (like 6 or 7 years ago)G > a lot less of a full-strength system, c'mon guys, times have changed.@I > My personal theory is that VMS people never felt threatened by windows, K > because windows is a total POS, but they felt threatened by UNIX from the. get-goD > because unix actually _can_ compete with VMS on almost all fronts.  E I have a slightly different take.  UNIX and VMS are both in a similarcL position - declining world dominance.  Windows has pretty much wiped out theL workstation and low-end space, and is moving up the food chain into Servers.K Linux is taking away the lunatic fringe from the UNIX market.  The space issK getting crowded into only those customers who need big-iron solutions, withs lots of support.  6 Think of a water hole in Africa during the dry season.  E On the other hand, UNIX and VMS have more in common than they have inaJ differences.  Internally, we work *with* the UNIX group whenever possible.K We have the same problems, and sometimes we can leverage the same solution.cJ Something almost never possible with Windows (who even *if* they could useG the same solution will do it their own way).  Working with Linux on thep8 other hand becomes a quagmire of GPL legal hair pulling.   >t > just my .02,	 > isildur   0 So is the "Lord" an honorific?  Or a first name?   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:51:42 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!0; Message-ID: <01KW4I7XOSPOAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>C  J > I write VMS OS code, and on my desktop is a PC and a VMS "workstation". D > I can do my work (if crippled) without the workstation, I can't doG > without the PC. Neither Linux or any flavor of UNIX can do the thingsw > that I rely on the PC to do   * Out of curiosity, what are those things?    2 > Love it, hate it - you *have* to accept Windows.  ( I'm still managing to get by without it!  J > Windows has pretty much wiped out the workstation and low-end space, andD > is moving up the food chain into Servers. Linux is taking away theI > lunatic fringe from the UNIX market.  The space is getting crowded intohJ > only those customers who need big-iron solutions, with lots of support.   G 10 years ago, Windows was already there, but there were A LOT MORE VMS  . workstations.  In your opinion, is this due to      a) VMS losing quality      b) Windows gaining qualityp  A    c) DEC making wrong marketing decisions, in particular making 2F       decisions which caused the educational market to be lost forever   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:11:54 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!rJ Message-ID: <ultya.249716$kYH.153425@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KW4G6I24X2AKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...g >uB > What would be an example for a situation where unix is the right tool > for the job and VMS is not?m    A Where the app you need to use isn't on VMS because the app vendori thinks:p  2 a) the VMS market is too small to justify the port+ b) believes that HP will kill VMS real soonr c) no real fork() in VMS yet# d) VMS files aren't stream of bytesa2 e) having a human readable command line isn't cool   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:47:49 +0200I% From: Harald Pollak <H.Pollak@pke.at>e" Subject: OpenVMS and TomCat 4.1.24G Message-ID: <3ec9eb9e$0$41870$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>D  A Does anyone have a startup script like startup.sh or shutdown.sh o ( on unix ) for OpenVMS?@ My main problem is the setting of the symbols and the java call  with the Params.   Thanks Harry   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:53:21 -0500e/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>mY Subject: RE: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -	FIRST Itanium(tm=T Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0CEF9892@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  - Or it could stand for Connection Manager. ;-)d   Ed   -----Original Message-----A From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]  # Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:49 AMr To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com G Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -o" FIRST Itanium(tm) VMS CLUSTER NODE    H > View of Cluster from system ID 20458  node: CONMAN         15-MAY-2003  G Cynics (I'm not one) would say that, amid the rumours that the Itanium sI port is just a show to milk the customers before VMS is killed for good, aC the name CONMAN for a cluster node seems a rather dangerous choice!0   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 06:04:34 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)DY Subject: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(tm) Vs= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305200504.3ff37045@posting.google.com>v   What a great OpenVMS Pearl,1  D Once again the OpenVMS Team is showing the world how real clustering is done.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue'    ; 15-MAY-2003 20:27:13 FIRST Itanium(tm) VMS CLUSTER NODE!!!! @ ________________________________________________________________       $ show cluster  F View of Cluster from system ID 20458  node: CONMAN         15-MAY-2003 20:27:13@ ****************************************************************@ *                       SYSTEMS                      * MEMBERS *@ ****************************************************************@ *  NODE  *             HW_TYPE            * SOFTWARE *  STATUS *@ ****************************************************************@ * CONMAN * Generic Itanium Platform       * VMS X9SG * MEMBER  *@ * KNOTS  * AlphaServer 1000A 5/300        * VMS V7.3 * MEMBER  *@ **************************************************************** $S
 $ show sysD OpenVMS X9SG-M2O  on node CONMAN  15-MAY-2003 20:28:07.25  Uptime  0 00:08:12F   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  PagesF 20C00401 SWAPPER         HIB     16        0   0 00:00:04.18         0      0F 20C00406 CLUSTER_SWVERS  CUR  1  12        6   0 00:07:17.88        84    116F 20C00407 CLUSTER_SERVER  HIB     14       24   0 00:00:00.04       140    217F 20C00408 CONFIGURE       HIB      9       42   0 00:00:00.01       106     94F 20C00409 LANACP          HIB     12       87   0 00:00:00.07       269    382F 20C0040A FASTPATH_SERVER HIB     10       30   0 00:00:00.02       259    224F 20C0040B CACHE_SERVER    HIB     16        6   0 00:00:00.00        81    114F 20C0040C OPCOM           HIB      6       82   0 00:00:00.04       210    156F 20C0040D AUDIT_SERVER    HIB      8       85   0 00:00:00.07       264    374F 20C0040E JOB_CONTROL     HIB      8       36   0 00:00:00.00       143    241F 20C00410 SMISERVER       HIB      7       79   0 00:00:00.04       346    524F 20C00411 NETACP          HIB     10       35   0 00:00:00.01       174    263F 20C00412 EVL             HIB      4      100   0 00:00:00.07       287	    352  NlF 20C00413 REMACP          HIB      8        9   0 00:00:00.00        89     91F 20C00415 SYSTEM          CUR  0   4      869   0 00:00:00.60      2655    374 $r $ sho dev do  F Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans MntyF  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks	 Count Cnty. CONMAN$DKA100:          Online               0F CONMAN$DKB0:            Mounted              0  IA64X9SG      56469798	    93   1J. CONMAN$DKB200:          Online               0. CONMAN$DKB400:          Online               0. CONMAN$DQA0:            Online               0. CONMAN$DQA1:            Online               0F $11$DKA0:      (KNOTS)  Online               0  (remote shadow member). $11$DKA100:    (KNOTS)  Online               0F $11$DKA200:    (KNOTS)  Online               0  (remote shadow member)F $11$DKA300:    (KNOTS)  Online               0  (remote shadow member). $11$DKA400:    (KNOTS)  Online               0F $11$DKA500:    (KNOTS)  Mounted              0  (remote mount)        	         1 F $11$DKA600:    (KNOTS)  Mounted              0  (remote mount)        	         1r $t    F This test shows that the mainline code paths for the following cluster functionality is working:   ) 	cluster communications (PEdriver & SCS),t 	connection manager  	distributed lock manager, 	MSCP disk class driver, 	distributed file system,x 	cluster wide process services
 	show clusters   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:48:33 +0100 (MET)C9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>oY Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(t,; Message-ID: <01KW4BULYRSMAM3M2Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>L  H > View of Cluster from system ID 20458  node: CONMAN         15-MAY-2003  G Cynics (I'm not one) would say that, amid the rumours that the Itanium sI port is just a show to milk the customers before VMS is killed for good, eC the name CONMAN for a cluster node seems a rather dangerous choice!S   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:28:21 GMTw# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm J Message-ID: <FIsya.249611$kYH.228837@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in messages/ news:badios$r8ivo$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de...h, > On 20-May-2003 15:04, Sue Skonetski wrote: >l > > What a great OpenVMS Pearl,l > >)= > > Once again the OpenVMS Team is showing the world how reala
 clustering5 >                                           ^^^^^^^^^  > > is done. > >l	 > > [...]n >eB > I suppose that's only a very limited part of "the world" -- just people? > reading this very specific newsgroup (i.e., "preaching to then choir").    = Indeed. I wonder when (if ever) HP will issue a press releasenA trumpeting this achievement/promise kept. I know that Sun and IBMe" would under similar circumstances.  B But then again, IBM and Sun are interested in selling products and expanding their market share.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:48:19 +0200C$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm 5 Message-ID: <badios$r8ivo$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>,  * On 20-May-2003 15:04, Sue Skonetski wrote:   > What a great OpenVMS Pearl,  > F > Once again the OpenVMS Team is showing the world how real clustering3                                           ^^^^^^^^^C
 > is done. >  > [...]:  H I suppose that's only a very limited part of "the world" -- just people F reading this very specific newsgroup (i.e., "preaching to the choir").  4 When will the VAX-Itanium-Cluster be up and running?   MichaelD   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:46:48 -05004( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: PHP monitor interface.n1 Message-ID: <03052009464867@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   ; > Some of you were interested in the PHP monitor interface.cG > It's quite simple and I don't take any responsibility if it's messings" > something up on your system. ;-)  = Not messing with my system, it is my head it is messing with.n   Quick question:   I Is this suppose to refresh the web page based on the interval in the casee statements?o  = It is not for mine.  Curious before I go willy nilly into it.s     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorp Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:03:17 +0200C/ From: Roland Barmettler <spamsink@crapmail.com>o# Subject: Re: PHP monitor interface.i; Message-ID: <20030520170317.0662edf3.spamsink@crapmail.com>A   Hi John   ? > Not messing with my system, it is my head it is messing with.    ;-)a     > Quick question:s > F > Is this suppose to refresh the web page based on the interval in the > case statements? > ? > It is not for mine.  Curious before I go willy nilly into it..  C Nope. It does not refresh, it's just displaying the first output... F Note that for e.g. MONITOR SYSTEM there are no top processes displayedD as they would in the 2nd pass. If someone figures a solution fo that, I wouldn't be too upset to hear about it :-)   Cheers, Roland   --" %SYSTEM-W-MNDYMRNG, monday morning   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:17:18 +0100g0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>) Subject: prod install hung - help please!a4 Message-ID: <badddl$hn4$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  : Doing an install of the latest DFU 2.7-a on Alpha VMS 7.3.7 It ran rapidly to 90% complete, then hung in LEF state.dE I tried control/C, and it warned me of dire consequences if I didn't a	 continue.e  E Anyone know how to unhang it, or diagnose what's wrong, or anything ?v Please ?   Thanks,h Chris    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:08:42 GMT - From: "labadie" <tonari_no_tottoro@127.0.0.1> - Subject: Re: prod install hung - help please! / Message-ID: <_xrya.1134$BJ.22@news.cpqcorp.net>z  = "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in messagee. news:badddl$hn4$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...< > Doing an install of the latest DFU 2.7-a on Alpha VMS 7.3.9 > It ran rapidly to 90% complete, then hung in LEF state.-F > I tried control/C, and it warned me of dire consequences if I didn't > continue.m >iG > Anyone know how to unhang it, or diagnose what's wrong, or anything ? 
 > Please ? >s	 > Thanks,c > Chris@ hellod  , Is your disk Ods-5 with hard links enabled ?   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:17:51 +0100c0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>- Subject: Re: prod install hung - help please!I4 Message-ID: <badgv5$3eg$1$830fa79d@news.demon.co.uk>   labadie wrote:? > "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in messagev0 > news:badddl$hn4$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... > < >>Doing an install of the latest DFU 2.7-a on Alpha VMS 7.3.9 >>It ran rapidly to 90% complete, then hung in LEF state.lF >>I tried control/C, and it warned me of dire consequences if I didn't >>continue.e >>G >>Anyone know how to unhang it, or diagnose what's wrong, or anything ?t
 >>Please ? >>	 >>Thanks,I >>Chris5 >  > hello  > . > Is your disk Ods-5 with hard links enabled ?   Nope. All ODS2.s
 XFC disabled.t   Chrisy   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:05:12 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG' Subject: Re: question of function delayl0 Message-ID: <00A2022F.00E5C9A5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <3EC9AAD3.E167D6F7@eps.zk.dec.com>, Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com> writes:  >  >b >Jeams ZHI wrote:  >kN >> how to realise the function of delay (some seconds) in program? (VAX macro) >> i use lib$wait like this: >> pushal    #2u >> calls    #1, g^lib$wait >> but it doesnt work. why?p >nC >Because the routine expects a float, not the integer you provided.p >p >$HELP RTL LIB LIB$WAIT ARGh
 >RTL_ROUTINES  >  LIB$d
 >    LIB$WAITt >      Arguments >        seconds( >           OpenVMS usage:floating_point$ >           type:         F_floating# >           access:       read onlyi& >           mechanism:    by reference >uL >           The number of seconds to wait. The seconds argument contains the@ >           address of an F-floating number that is this number. >t >k >        .psect  data,noexe,wrtb >delay:  .float  20.0p >        .psect  code,exe,nowrtr >        .entry  start, ^M<> >        pushal  delay >        calls   #1, g^lib$waith >        ret >        .end    start    F Or parallelling the original code and correctly specifying the passed  literal value as a float:    	PUSHAF	#^F2.0 	CALLS	#1, G^LIB$WAITe   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM(            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:45:40 +0200n% From: "Jeams ZHI" <chnzw@hotmail.com> ' Subject: Re: question of function delayg3 Message-ID: <badm2d$lfj$1@news-reader12.wanadoo.fr>s  
 thx a lot.  H <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> ??????:00A2022F.00E5C9A5@SendSpamHere.ORG...5 > In article <3EC9AAD3.E167D6F7@eps.zk.dec.com>, Hein ! <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com> writes:g > >i > >o > >Jeams ZHI wrote:a > >oI > >> how to realise the function of delay (some seconds) in program? (VAX  macro) > >> i use lib$wait like this: > >> pushal    #2t > >> calls    #1, g^lib$wait > >> but it doesnt work. why?  > >nE > >Because the routine expects a float, not the integer you provided.  > >y > >$HELP RTL LIB LIB$WAIT ARG  > >RTL_ROUTINES!	 > >  LIB$  > >    LIB$WAIT  > >      Arguments > >        seconds* > >           OpenVMS usage:floating_point& > >           type:         F_floating% > >           access:       read onlye( > >           mechanism:    by reference > > J > >           The number of seconds to wait. The seconds argument contains the0B > >           address of an F-floating number that is this number. > >l > >u! > >        .psect  data,noexe,wrt1 > >delay:  .float  20.0$! > >        .psect  code,exe,nowrtS > >        .entry  start, ^M<> > >        pushal  delay! > >        calls   #1, g^lib$waito > >        ret > >        .end    start >c >eG > Or parallelling the original code and correctly specifying the passedx > literal value as a float:. >  > PUSHAF #^F2.0n > CALLS #1, G^LIB$WAIT >' > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >a6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >t   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 05:48:27 -07002 From: fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Mattison) Subject: RUN /DETACHED= Message-ID: <6449213e.0305200448.57249c06@posting.google.com>    Can Someone Explain?A I eventually want to RUN /DETACHED and input arguments, so I havee; chosen the approach cited many times in responses to posts:   8 RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.com  D Repeated failures have resulted in attemps to make the simplest caseD work.  In this reduced case the process I want to run detached is inC file Test_Detach.exe.  It does nothing more than create a file.  It 0 responds correctly to RUN /DETACHED Test_Detach.  ( In the above command MY_DCL_FILE.com is: $ RUN TEST_DETACHH $ EXIT  ( The response to @MY_DCL_FILE is correct.  8 RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.com  @ results in "identification of created process is 2020024E".  ButA Test_Detach is not called.  The file it would have created is notr there.  F If MY_DCL_FILE.com is replaced with a non-existant file, XYZ.com,  the> same message appears.  There is no error message refering to aD non-existant file.  The problem appears to be MY_DCL_FILE.com is not
 being run.F Preceeding MY_DCL_FILE.com with the complete path makes no difference.  3 Would someone please tell me what I am doing wrong.i   Thanks,i Frank-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:15:19 -0500l( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: RUN /DETACHED1 Message-ID: <03052008151939@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>1   $ run sys$system:loginout.exe -E       /detached -O       /input=file.com -        /output=outfile.txt -        /error=errfile.txt -       /noauthorize -       /process="my detach"  K The outfile.txt and errfile.txt will allow you to see the output and errorse3 generated by the run/detach.  Take a look at those.h   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratore Dallas Semiconductor first.last@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkh   ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 03 06:18:26 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com- Subject: Re: RUN /DETACHED( Message-ID: <YaKH+OHJdfB1@cpva.saic.com>  = In article <6449213e.0305200448.57249c06@posting.google.com>,o5  fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Mattison) writes:  > Can Someone Explain?C > I eventually want to RUN /DETACHED and input arguments, so I havea= > chosen the approach cited many times in responses to posts:- > : > RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.com > F > Repeated failures have resulted in attemps to make the simplest caseF > work.  In this reduced case the process I want to run detached is inE > file Test_Detach.exe.  It does nothing more than create a file.  Itt2 > responds correctly to RUN /DETACHED Test_Detach. > * > In the above command MY_DCL_FILE.com is: > $ RUN TEST_DETACHu > $ EXIT > * > The response to @MY_DCL_FILE is correct. > : > RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.com > B > results in "identification of created process is 2020024E".  ButC > Test_Detach is not called.  The file it would have created is notb > there. > H > If MY_DCL_FILE.com is replaced with a non-existant file, XYZ.com,  the@ > same message appears.  There is no error message refering to aF > non-existant file.  The problem appears to be MY_DCL_FILE.com is not > being run.H > Preceeding MY_DCL_FILE.com with the complete path makes no difference. > 5 > Would someone please tell me what I am doing wrong._ > 	 > Thanks,n > Frankn  E Try specifying a value for SYS$OUTPUT - the bit bucket if you'd like,d  H $ RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.COM /output=nla0:  M or substitue a filename for the null device if you want a log of what occurs.m   --   - Jima   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:13:59 +0100l* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: RUN /DETACHED+ Message-ID: <bad9mo$l1o@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>>  ? "Frank Mattison" <fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil> wrote in messagea7 news:6449213e.0305200448.57249c06@posting.google.com...E  C > I eventually want to RUN /DETACHED and input arguments, so I have = > chosen the approach cited many times in responses to posts:a > : > RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.com  ? Best set /OUTPUT and /ERROR explicitly, either to a file or the - null device (NL:) Otherwise they will dangle.-  H > If MY_DCL_FILE.com is replaced with a non-existant file, XYZ.com,  the@ > same message appears.  There is no error message refering to a > non-existant file.  F No. There are ways to pick up the status: accounting data, termination! mailbox. A log is easiest though.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:40:32 -0400s* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: Re: RUN /DETACHED/ Message-ID: <3EC9F810.18422.18343B10@localhost>e  : RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.com -    /OUTPUT=file1.log  ? This will create an output file that shows the results of your r0 command.  Your current output is the bit bucket.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671l1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147f= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comS   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 09:26:24 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: RUN /DETACHED3 Message-ID: <JvtUQdSy3QTf@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  r In article <6449213e.0305200448.57249c06@posting.google.com>, fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frank Mattison) writes:: > RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.com  H You need a fully qualified file name.  And you need a /OUTPUT file name.( And you may want to consider /AUTHORIZE.  E The lack of the /OUTPUT file name is what's killing you.  LOGINOUT is>A aborting for lack of a valid output file spec.  And obviously, ith? can't leave a log file behind without a log file specification.a  : There are two useful keys to debugging detached processes.   1.  ACCOUNTING   	$ SET ACCOUNTING /ENABLEO" 	... run your detached process ...1 	$ ACCOUNTING /FULL /ID=<pid of detached process>l  J     Note that you may have to wait a minute or two for the accounting dataG     to be flushed to the file before you can see it with the accountinge     command.  
 2.  Log files)  C     If you specify a /OUTPUT file name, error messages and ordinary      output will go there.e   So you want:  ) $ RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE -e)  /INPUT=my_disk:[my_dir]MY_DCL_FILE.COM -?(  /OUTPUT=my_disk:[my_dir]MY_DCL_FILE.LOG  K Look in MY_DCL_FILE.LOG for error messages.  And if it's not being created, ; look at the accounting file for process termination status.     E Note that you need to use globally valid logical names in your /INPUT.B and /OUTPUT file specifications.  SYS$LOGIN or SYS$LOGIN_DEVICE inE particular aren't going to be valid in detached process context.  Ando@ detached process context is where those file names will be used.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 09:37:41 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: RUN /DETACHED3 Message-ID: <a0N$FjiZHv0j@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  \ In article <3EC9F810.18422.18343B10@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:< > RUN /DETACHED SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT /INPUT=MY_DCL_FILE.com - >    /OUTPUT=file1.log > A > This will create an output file that shows the results of your  2 > command.  Your current output is the bit bucket.  D Not exactly.  His current output is undefined.  He would have a nullB string for SYS$OUTPUT.  Except that the null string is not a validC logical name.  So he has no SYS$OUTPUT at all.  So LOGINOUT aborts.l  G Looks like I was wrong in my earlier post about needing fully qualifiednB file names.  The default directory (SYS$SETDDIR) and disk (logical@ name SYS$DISK) are apparently copied implicitly from the creator+ in the absence of the /AUTHORIZE qualifier.i  C In the presence of /AUTHORIZE, the default directory comes from theo UAF, of course.l   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:59:29 -0400f* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: Re: RUN /DETACHED/ Message-ID: <3ECA18A1.11128.18B36FFA@localhost>t  7 On 20 May 2003 at 9:37, briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: F > Not exactly.  His current output is undefined.  He would have a nullD > string for SYS$OUTPUT.  Except that the null string is not a validE > logical name.  So he has no SYS$OUTPUT at all.  So LOGINOUT aborts.d   Okay.l  D By the way -- several posters have suggested adding /ERROR=xxx, but E the help file says that /ERROR is ignored if you're running LOGINOUT.s  
 --Stan Quayleo Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671n1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147o= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:27:48 +0100aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>y< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!0 Message-ID: <bad3fm$nan$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>u= > wrote in message news:baaap6$knu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...E >  >>Bill Todd wrote: >>& >>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" >>) > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  > > >>>wrote in message news:ba359d$6at$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >>>d >>>... >>>e >>>k >>>M2 >>>>Umm IBM has announced 1.7 GHz power 4 systems. >>>>+ >>>>They are shipping them later this year.- >>>- >>>- >>>Try later this month: >>>: >>>  >>N > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/news/pressreleases/2003/may/ann > 
 >>>c_506.htmle >>>y	 >>>- bill: >>>V >>>n >>>d >>H >>Its probably the 1.5 GHz CPU, IBM's TPC-C submission says that the 1.7, >>GHz systems will be available in November. >  > M > Post-dating benchmark availability dates is hardly an unusual practice:  iteJ > minimizes the embarrassing possibility that some unexpected introduction+ > delay will render the submission invalid.s > I > Had you bothered actually to read the reference I provided (novel idea, L > that), you'd have seen the explicit statement at the end that both 1.5 andL > 1.7 GHz processors are scheduled to be available in the p655 in late July.L > The new p690 models are slated to become available earlier (May 30th), andM > while the availability statement is not equally explicit there's the stronghM > suggestion that both the 1.5 and the 1.7 GHz processors will be right therey > with them. >   @ Since I was refering to the P690 not the P655 you seem to be the# person who didn't read the posting.   B It is also quite common to provide TPC-C results for pre-releaseedA systems. There is always a fine line between announcing early and C not being able to deliver systems in the timeframe required for themD benchmark but thats a calculation that the marketeers make when they do this.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:06:17 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>u< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!0 Message-ID: <badcos$qrq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > Bill Todd wrote: > ' >> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"  * >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>> >> wrote in message news:baaap6$knu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >> >>> Bill Todd wrote: >>> ( >>>> "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" >>>  >>>y* >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> >>@ >>>> wrote in message news:ba359d$6at$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> >>>>4 >>>>> Umm IBM has announced 1.7 GHz power 4 systems. >>>>>t- >>>>> They are shipping them later this year.e >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Try later this month: >>>> >>>> >>>hP >> http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/news/pressreleases/2003/may/ann  >> >> >>>> c_506.htmln >>>> >>>> - billa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>rJ >>> Its probably the 1.5 GHz CPU, IBM's TPC-C submission says that the 1.7. >>> GHz systems will be available in November. >> >> >>A >> Post-dating benchmark availability dates is hardly an unusual   >> practice:  itK >> minimizes the embarrassing possibility that some unexpected introductionp, >> delay will render the submission invalid. >>J >> Had you bothered actually to read the reference I provided (novel idea,J >> that), you'd have seen the explicit statement at the end that both 1.5  >> andH >> 1.7 GHz processors are scheduled to be available in the p655 in late  >> July.J >> The new p690 models are slated to become available earlier (May 30th),  >> andH >> while the availability statement is not equally explicit there's the 	 >> strong I >> suggestion that both the 1.5 and the 1.7 GHz processors will be right   >> there
 >> with them.o >> > B > Since I was refering to the P690 not the P655 you seem to be the% > person who didn't read the posting.( > D > It is also quite common to provide TPC-C results for pre-releaseedC > systems. There is always a fine line between announcing early and E > not being able to deliver systems in the timeframe required for the-F > benchmark but thats a calculation that the marketeers make when they
 > do this. >   E Incedentally if you actually read the P655 spec you will also realiseeC that IBM are only currently offering a 4 way MCM with Power4+ CPU'se? running at 1.7 GHz, if you want an 8 way the fastest CPU's theye support are 1.5 GHz.  E The 8 way 1.7 GHz MCM isn't available and thats what you need for thev P690.i  M http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/hardware/midrange/p655_desc.htmlf   Regardst Andrew Harrisona  	 > Regardsn > Andrew Harrisonh >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:48:32 -0400U* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!2 Message-ID: <4EudnfpAJtv1wVejRTvU3Q@metrocast.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>o; wrote in message news:bad3fm$nan$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...i > Bill Todd wrote:' > > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"l' <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a? > > wrote in message news:baaap6$knu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > >a > >>Bill Todd wrote: > >>( > >>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" > >>+ > > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>a > >o@ > >>>wrote in message news:ba359d$6at$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > >>>t > >>>... > >>>d > >>>k > >>>e4 > >>>>Umm IBM has announced 1.7 GHz power 4 systems. > >>>>- > >>>>They are shipping them later this year.7 > >>>  > >>>  > >>>Try later this month: > >>>m > >>>  > >> > > L http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/news/pressreleases/2003/may/ann > >n > >>>c_506.html  > >>>  > >>>- billS > >>>h > >>>  > >>>n > >>J > >>Its probably the 1.5 GHz CPU, IBM's TPC-C submission says that the 1.7. > >>GHz systems will be available in November. > >  > > K > > Post-dating benchmark availability dates is hardly an unusual practice:s itL > > minimizes the embarrassing possibility that some unexpected introduction- > > delay will render the submission invalid.y > >lK > > Had you bothered actually to read the reference I provided (novel idea, J > > that), you'd have seen the explicit statement at the end that both 1.5 andaH > > 1.7 GHz processors are scheduled to be available in the p655 in late July.aJ > > The new p690 models are slated to become available earlier (May 30th), andeH > > while the availability statement is not equally explicit there's the strongI > > suggestion that both the 1.5 and the 1.7 GHz processors will be righth there* > > with them. > >h >aB > Since I was refering to the P690 not the P655 you seem to be the% > person who didn't read the posting.g  J Not only did I read it, I quoted it - and it's still right there up at theJ top for you to check:  no mention whatsoever of p690, just the unqualifiedL statement "Umm IBM has announced 1.7 GHz power 4 systems.  They are shipping them later this year."  J And if you care to check the surrounding verbiage in your original postingL you'll not find any qualification there, either - nor was the cited InquirerK article in the post to which you responded p690-specific.  You only broughtpC up the p690 when you attempted to *substantiate* your original, andiK erroneous, suggestion that the 1.7 GHz POWER4+ would not soon be available.   H So whatever you may claim that you meant to say, my response to what youK actually *did* say was appropriate:  the only remaining question is whetherwB you'll have the grace (or the intelligence) to shut up rather than9 continuing to attempt to spin your way out of your error.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:26:15 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>h* Subject: Re: TCPIP device inactive message2 Message-ID: <Jx7KPh0NEnkqv3OuljF8xnWtEaUk@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 19 May 2003 20:39:31 GMT, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote:  _ >In article <20030519163220.21249.00000243@mb-m23.aol.com>, neilfree@aol.com (NEILFREE) writes:iL >>Yes, your explanation could very well explain the problem, we restored the& >>system from a 2100 before upgrading. >>O >>How do I purge any "held on to" devices, the interface list only shows WE0 inu >>TCPIP and EWA-0 in LANCP?  >dO >I no longer run the TCP/IP Services stack;  I *think* the command is somethingo1 >along the lines of, "TCPIP SET NOINTERFACE WE0".r >cM >Would the kind folks who currently run this stack please help out here?  I'muG >running TCPware, and have blissfully forgotten all I knew about TCP/IPl
 >Services. >  >:-) >s  3     TCPIP SET CONFIGURATION NOINTERFACE will removeb: an interface form the permanent database.  The easiest way< to add it back is to run TCPIP$CONFIG and add it through the menus.  <     Please note you may lose other configuration information: when you remove the interface (e.g. default router and DNS client information).   David R. Beatty    >> >>Much appreciated >0B >_________________________________________________________________1 >Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"n0 >bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:57:58 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o: Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status reportH Message-ID: <q8tya.249701$kYH.5631@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D > I just wanted to let everyone here know that I will be keeping you allVB > informed on a weekly basis, or sooner, of any responses received from0 > carly and her minions, or Marcello, or Gorham.    A Just following up at about 6 weeks....still no response from HP -M
 other than# from Sue and carly's autoresponder.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:08:33 +0100 (MET),9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>:: Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report; Message-ID: <01KW4IW2A18YAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  I > Just following up at about 6 weeks....still no response from HP - othern+ > than from Sue and carly's autoresponder. I  ) Remind us of what you're reminding us of.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:58:37 GMTe' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>-+ Subject: Re: [MOZILLA B1.4] Junk Controls ?0, Message-ID: <3EC9FC28.9090009@theblakes.com>   Jack Patteeuw wrote:  4 > I believe that Junk Controls only works for mail.   = That's certainly what we are led to believe if you read this:5/ http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/spam-howto.htmlO   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 07:10:19 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)9 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"_3 Message-ID: <jTpZVI$Bh4q2@eisner.encompasserve.org>_  x In article <zajlZiOemNrd@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:2 > There is a strange article at the Inquirer here: > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9539 > P > However, I then had a major humour failure with the last sentence which reads: > 6 > 	Shame that HPQ is trying to dump OpenVMS, isn't it? >   M Since posting this yesterday, I have been having a discussion with Mike MageecN trying to get him explain on what information he is basing the above statement on.   C He claims that he's going to write a more detailed article with the*G supporting information. Here's the email exchange (as you can see, he's5; given permission for me to disclose what he said in email).N  ? Since he's a top posting fan, I have restructured the messages.46 (I have removed email addresses for anti-spam reasons)  I =========================================================================8   From Simon Clubley:0 > From Mike Magee: >> From Simon Clubley: >>>0 >>> Hello Mike,  >>>70 >>> In the above article you make the statement: >>>08 >>> 	Shame that HPQ is trying to dump OpenVMS, isn't it? >>> N >>> I am interested in knowing what you base that statement on. It's one thingM >>> for HP not to be interested in promoting VMS, which VMS users like myself H >>> recognise is the case, however much I would like it to be different. >>> L >>> However, the above statement implies that HP are actively trying to dumpN >>> VMS, which is obviously a major concern for VMS users. I am wondering whatN >>> information you have that you have not yet shared with us to support that. >>> K >>> It would also be good to post that information on the Inquirer, so that % >>> we can go and tackle HP about it.  >>>4 >>> Thanks for any info, >>>  >>> Simon Clubley. >>$ >> Getting round to writing it Simon >> >  >Thanks for the feedback.: >0I >I was hoping that you had got the wrong end of the stick, but if you are:B >writing a more detailed story it seems that you have not. :-( :-( > H >How long before it's published, and can I tell comp.os.vms that you are  >writing a more detailed story ? >L >> Mike  >l >Thanks, >n >Simon.N  G Yes, you can tell 'em. We might leave it until HP's released its latest  figures.   Mike  I =========================================================================0   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:22:02 GMTT9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> 9 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"T0 Message-ID: <_utya.1149$IZ.474@news.cpqcorp.net>  D Heck.  If I had to respond to it, I'd have a hard time - since it isK incoherent.  Apparently when they went to High School, they missed the part(G about a thesis, a body, and a conclusion.  Instead they got the obscure / reference, speculation, and non-sequitor parts.r  K I guess the fact that I'm reviewing platform support plans out through 2007PL doesn't mean anything... someone has decided to pay me to waste my own time,L as well as the rest of HP's time... at least if I believe the Inquirer.  AndG I'm just one of many who aren't aware that we are just doing busy work.1      7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messages# news:3EC968D3.E8F501AE@istop.com...S > Woland wrote: L > > Perhaps somebody is just pushing HP to react. If they will not deny this then  > > it's obvious that it's true. >iL > They won't deny it. If they deny it, it means they are lying. The thing to doH > for HP is to stay silent, as they are doing during their presentations when > they avoid mentioning VMS.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.278 ************************choice!S   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:28:21 GMTw# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm J Message-ID: <FIsya.249611$kYH.228837@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in messcepted.) <<< RETR 2003_155.TXTnY >>> 150 VMS retrieve of DISK$MISC:[DECUS.INFO-VAX]2003_155.TXT;1 (76186 bytes) started. ; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  75414 (8) bytes transferred.  <<< SIZE 2003_156.TXT >>> 213 159964 <<< PORT 62,30,77,48,30,183 3 >>> 200 Port 30.183 at Host 62.30.77.48 accepted.s <<< RETR 2003_156.TXTnZ >>> 150 VMS retrieve of DISK$MISC:[DECUS.INFO-VAX]2003_156.TXT;1 (159964 bytes) started.< >>> 226 Transfer completed.  159572 (8) bytes transferred. <<< SIZE 2003_157.TXT >>> 213 104806 <<< PORT 62,30,77,48,30,184 3 >>> 200 Port 30.184 at Host 62.30.77.48 accepted.) <<< RETR 2003_157.TXTnZ >>> 150 VMS retrieve of DISK$MISC:[DECUS.INFO-VAX]2003_157.TXT;1 (104806 bytes) started.< >>> 226 Transfer completed.  104138 (8) bytes transferred. <<< SIZE 2003_158.TXT >>> 213 96466. <<< PORT 62,30,77,48,30,185 3 >>> 200 Port 30.185 at Host 62.30.77.48 accepted.s <<< RETR 2003_158.TXTnY >>> 150 VMS retrieve of DISK$MISC:[DECUS.INFO-VAX]2003_1