1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 21 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 280       Contents: Re: A visit to the cemetary... Re: A visit to the cemetary... Re: as2100 inside pictures Re: Atten John Smith Re: Atten John Smith Re: Atten John Smith Re: Atten John Smith Re: Atten John Smith Re: Atten John Smith( Re: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS?( Re: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS?- DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here " Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 Re: DFU question" Re: Finding out if TCPIP is in use Re: FREE TO A GOOD HOME $ Re: Gartners crystal ball craked ...$ Re: Gartners crystal ball craked ...  General Printer on LAN questions$ Re: General Printer on LAN questions) how can I track down a nameserver problem - Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem - Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem - Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem - Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem - Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem - Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem - Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem " How to make a shadowed system disk& Re: How to make a shadowed system disk" HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMS& RE: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMS& Re: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMS3 Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign D Looking for some DS20e parts, possible trade for other DEC gear or ?  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!P Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(tP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tmP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tmP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tmP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death P Press Release - AppMind(tm) OpenVMS(tm) Agent for HP OpenView Operations version$ Re: prod install hung - help please! Re: RUN /DETACHED 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!  SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  RE: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit 1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report 1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report 1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report 2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:43:00 -0500 $ From: Lyle West <arf@ourtownusa.org>' Subject: Re: A visit to the cemetary... - Message-ID: <3ECACB93.81D9F2D@ourtownusa.org>    JF Mezei wrote:  > D > Went to a computer cemetary today, hunting for a VRT19 display....  [snip] P > I did find a VRC21-HA display  wich has the 5 BNC connectors (circa 1995) DoesL > anyone know if this monitor can do the sync-on-green for a vaxstation 3100 > with SPX card ?  >   A I have been using the VRC21-HA display since 1995 on a VaxStation  4000-90 withF no problems. Recently I moved it to an AlphaStation 250 using a ZLXp-E graphics% card (this uses the 5 BNC connectors)    --     Lyle W. West  > Try ell with three dubya's and at with mninter arf net and use dot rather than arf  __   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:57:33 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ' Subject: Re: A visit to the cemetary... 3 Message-ID: <3ECB77BD.152A2163@applied-synergy.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > P > I did find a VRC21-HA display  wich has the 5 BNC connectors (circa 1995) DoesL > anyone know if this monitor can do the sync-on-green for a vaxstation 3100 > with SPX card ?  > M > Also, can I buy any monitor that can sync on green, or must I find one with  > specific frequency ?  G The 3100 SPX card can generate either a 60Hz or 66Hz signal.  (There is F a small switch on the card that switches between the two frequencies.)  F You want to use the 1280x1024 66Hz setting.  Any monitor that can sync9 to this frequency and supports sync on green should work.    Good luck!    G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:38:12 +0200 / From: Roland Barmettler <spamsink@crapmail.com> # Subject: Re: as2100 inside pictures ; Message-ID: <20030521113812.6833e5a1.spamsink@crapmail.com>    Hi James  5 > Could you send some instructions for setting it up?   B Well you need a webserver and a PHP engine like CSWS & CSWS_PHP orE WASD & PHP, and then put my PHP source into a file called monitor.php @ and make it accessible by the webserver. Is that what you mean ?   Cheers, Roland   --" %SYSTEM-W-MNDYMRNG, monday morning   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:26:42 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Atten John Smith ) Message-ID: <3ECB3842.E457CFE4@127.0.0.1>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > 
 > John Smith,  > E > I am assuming that this is not your real name.  If that is the case F > would you mind changing it to another name like John Doe.  We have aD > great guy here in VMS with the real name of John Smith and you are > causing some confusion.   A Isn't it true there are several John Smiths in your organization? G However if I think you're talking about the John Smith that I think you H are (who the previous time was over had a pint of "John Smiths" in a pubE just up the road), "great" is an understatement. (But lets not forget  Al, "Mr. Shark").   H I'm curious why you feel you have to hide behind anonymity, escaping theB scourge of spam is one thing but cutting yourself off from genuineG correspondence which can't be made in a public forum is something else.  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:10:13 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> Subject: Re: Atten John Smith 5 Message-ID: <bafdji$rol5e$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:vclq2tmvrffuac@news.supernews.com... @ > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:857e9e41.0305201556.303b8ee2@posting.google.com...  > > John Smith,  > > G > > I am assuming that this is not your real name.  If that is the case H > > would you mind changing it to another name like John Doe.  We have aF > > great guy here in VMS with the real name of John Smith and you are > > causing some confusion.  > >  > I > Actually, I would appreciate it if you could change "John" to some else  too. >  > John Vottero > 5 I concur, there are too many John's in this place :-)    -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net  http://www.travell.uk.net/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 13/05/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 10:10:28 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Re: Atten John Smith 6 Message-ID: <20030521101028.17705.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  > On Wed, 21 May 2003, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote: >Sue Skonetski wrote:  >>   >> John Smith, >>  F >> I am assuming that this is not your real name.  If that is the caseG >> would you mind changing it to another name like John Doe.  We have a E >> great guy here in VMS with the real name of John Smith and you are  >> causing some confusion.   <snip>  I >I'm curious why you feel you have to hide behind anonymity, escaping the C >scourge of spam is one thing but cutting yourself off from genuine H >correspondence which can't be made in a public forum is something else.  L Nym accounts are the answer to that problem - when the nym server is running
 reliably.   G At the time that nym.alias.net was initially set up, the only anti-spam N protection that they could offer was to refuse BCCed mail.  Since I only get 3K or 4 spams per day to nyms I've used on Usenet, they're still pretty good.    H Funnily enough, Nic's work on PGP would make it possible to manage a nym account from a VMS system.    2 Here are some links for anyone interested in Nyms:  " _LCS Research: Anonymous Remailer_. http://www.lcs.mit.edu/research/anonymous.html/ http://www.lcs.mit.edu/research/anonymous2.html   G _The Design, Implementation and Operation of an Email Pseudonym Server_ 5 ftp://cag.lcs.mit.edu/pub/dm/papers/mazieres:pnym.pdf     _Instructions for Nym.Alias.Net_. http://vmsbox.cjb.net/nymservers/nym-help.html  K ** NOTE ** nym.alias.net is currently experiencing problems and connections I            are timing out.  At the moment the most reliable nym server is "            redneck.gacracker.org.    _Nym Server Perl Source Code_ / http://vmsbox.cjb.net/nymservers/nym-source.txt      Doc. --  K OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.net K           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:45:14 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Atten John Smith ) Message-ID: <3ECB4A7D.CEBE7425@istop.com>    "Doc.Cypher" wrote: I > At the time that nym.alias.net was initially set up, the only anti-spam   N Please note that nym.alias.net is one of the hosts responsible for much of theM usenet personal attacks done by people hiding behind those "firewalls", often B multiple ones.  So anyone who uses that service, in my opinion, is  automatically labeled a spammer.  J I think that for normal "conversations" on this newsgroup, hiding behind a) innocuous yahoo account should be enough.   N Only if you are about to reveal trade secrets and absolutelly cannot be tracedM back to you, then thsoe aliasing services can be of use. But 99% of their use  is simply to harrass people.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 11:38:39 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Re: Atten John Smith 6 Message-ID: <20030521113839.20990.qmail@gacracker.org>  @ On Wed, 21 May 2003, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: >"Doc.Cypher" wrote:J >> At the time that nym.alias.net was initially set up, the only anti-spam > O >Please note that nym.alias.net is one of the hosts responsible for much of the N >usenet personal attacks done by people hiding behind those "firewalls", oftenC >multiple ones.  So anyone who uses that service, in my opinion, is ! >automatically labeled a spammer.   L I think you'll find that the abuse you are referring to generally originatesM from mail2news@nym.alias.net, not <user>@nym.alias.net.  The anonymous trolls M use remailers to get their messages to the mail2news gateway which then sends  it on to Usenet.    E These services are in no way, shape, or form, related to a firewall.    K >I think that for normal "conversations" on this newsgroup, hiding behind a * >innocuous yahoo account should be enough.  J You don't get much more privacy-invasive than Yahoo.  Their business model@ depends on gathering as much information about you as possible.   O >Only if you are about to reveal trade secrets and absolutelly cannot be traced N >back to you, then thsoe aliasing services can be of use. But 99% of their use >is simply to harrass people.    Am I harassing you? :)  M I'd point out that people using these services because their life/job/privacy @ depends on it aren't going to have a particularly high profile.      Doc. --  K OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.net K           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:54:10 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Atten John Smith J Message-ID: <6yLya.223222$w7k.142638@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0305201556.303b8ee2@posting.google.com... 
 > John Smith,  > E > I am assuming that this is not your real name.  If that is the case F > would you mind changing it to another name like John Doe.  We have aD > great guy here in VMS with the real name of John Smith and you are > causing some confusion.     ) How do you know that I'm not a great guy?   7 I'm not the one causing confusion. Names are non-unique = identifiers...ask anyone who has ever done database design or ? administration. 'Intelligent keys' make for bad design and more B importantly, incorrect analysis. Perhaps intelligent keys could beF used if we each used our own DNA sequences (GTCAGGTCGA....@domain.com)A as our internet usernames - but then it'd be those damn identical + twins that would screw everything up again.   F As to changing my  moniker, sure.  How's  a simple 'Carly' grab you as+ an alternative? or a fictitious 'M.Gorham'? C Are these suitable so as to not create confusion? I would think so, E for it is highly unlikely that any person (real or imagined) employed F by HP with these names would be able to offer creative, plausible, andD effective solutions to the issue of growing the VMS market, so thereD couldn't possibly be ANY doubt about who suggestions like those were" coming from when posted on usenet.  D Send me a complete HP employee and retiree list (going back to 1938)B so I can be sure that there is not intersection between any name IA choose and any current or former employee of HP, Digital, Compaq, E Tandem, Apollo, etc....   I certainly don't want to be blamed for any + more confusion at HP than there already is.     ? As to the issue raised in one other post in this thread, I have E corresponded with some c.o.v. regulars off-line via private e-mail on B request as Sue, Ken, and Peter know, and attempted to with Doc. No> offense but as previously pointed out about a week ago, I haveF previously experienced identity theft and I don't intend to go throughE that hell again. Some people want to be rich and famous - I prefer to B be rich and anonymous, and that anonymity extends to protecting my@ privacy and that of my family in any way I can (try telling yourD son/daughter why creditors are hounding you because of what somebody did with your identity).  # My apologies to Mr. Smith(s) of HP.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:05:41 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>1 Subject: Re: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS? ) Message-ID: <3ECB2545.420C9D2B@127.0.0.1>    Andrew Robinson wrote: >   > From: briggs@encompasserve.org > Sent: 19 May 2003 14:13  >  > <snip> > > G > >All you need to make a DECserver 700 work is a copy of the DECserver M > software, e.g. SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]>WWENG2.SYS stored someplace where it < > can be downloaded on demand by the DECserver at boot time. > > J > Depends on which DS700 you have and how much memory its got. If it's theK > original with 1Mb of memory, you will need the WWENG1.SYS software, which  > was the default.  C I'm still searching for a free or very cheap DS700-8MC (8 port full A modem control) and while I'm 'drooling over the technical stuff', F something that springs out is I think you can upgrade the memory usingC standard (if parity is standard) PC type memory SIMMs (usual parity  60ns).  A If there's any confirmation or denial of this in practice, I'd be  interested.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 21 May 2003 10:39:59 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 1 Subject: Re: Decserver 700 software on CD or DDS? 0 Message-ID: <bafl1v$7s4$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  T In article <3ECB2545.420C9D2B@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:D >I'm still searching for a free or very cheap DS700-8MC (8 port fullB >modem control) and while I'm 'drooling over the technical stuff',G >something that springs out is I think you can upgrade the memory using D >standard (if parity is standard) PC type memory SIMMs (usual parity >60ns).  > B >If there's any confirmation or denial of this in practice, I'd be >interested.  H I did this once. But I don't remember what type of memory it was. It wasC something cheap not from Digital but from a normal PC shop, though.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +------------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html -------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:29:04 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>6 Subject: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here& Message-ID: <3ECB7F20.2040207@Free.fr>  % http://didiermorandi.nerim.net/decus/ % (rough amateur flashless pictures...)    1429 Cycles is an issue D 1430 T. S. posting his article to the Inquirer before writing it :-)L 1431 The audience in the main Auditorium before HP R.M.'s presentation (P95) 1432 "# 1435 Presentation is about to start  1437 many free seats@ 1439 R.M. (with the same black Lacoste than in Lyon last year ?)% 1440 A Day in the life of the HP user  1441 Q&A (P94) 1442 " 1444 M.G.'s presentation (P137) N 1445 An amazing (c) DTL picture of Pdt/CEO Carly Fiorina on VMS (at last !...)G 1447 T. S. from SKHP about to read his mail (picture courtesy DTL Inc.) L       (PS: Swiss DECUS members will recognize the man behind: their charman.K 1448 DTL from DTL Inc. saying "Hello Computer" (picture courtesy SKHP Inc.) Q       (PS: no, it was not at 5 am, yes it was in the main Conference Center hall) < 1450 HP Y.P. hypnotizing her assistance on TCP/IP V5.4 (P69) 1453 hypnotized assistance 1454 " 1455 "J 1458 The audience before Intel's Talk on how the future is exciting (P242)1       (PS: some seats folded to decrease vertigo)  1459 Intel's presentation  1460 main show room - 1461 the (useless) famous DECUS message board 
 1462 HP booth  1463 " 1464 " 1465 ": 1466 HP Ch.M. explaining to HP C.B. how to boot on Itanium 1467 The End  M These pictutes are not copyrighted in any way. Feel free to get/copy/forward. O In case the anonymousity (SP???) of them is not inuf guaranteed, please let me  " know and I'll remove them at once.  < Presentation codes are from the official HP-INTEREX program.   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 06:46:05 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 3 Message-ID: <FfMMlnIBDPkM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <1030521003114.2914B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:& > On 20 May 2003, Simon Clubley wrote: > ^ >> In article <3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> writes: >> > Hi from Amsterdam,  >> >   >>  6 >> Interesting comments, I have a couple of questions: >>   >> >  Q >> > 4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to leave VMS , >> > but to allow VMS users to stay with HP" >> >   >>  , >> In what context was this statement made ? >>  P >> If it's a "if you have already decided to leave VMS, we want you to stay with >> HP" I can live with that. >>  C >> If this was not in that context, then it's a wierd thing to say.  > E > This sounds mangled to me.  The simplest change that I can think of @ > that results in a statement that makes sense is to reverse theC > sense of the verb "prevent" to something like "force", which then ) > makes the statement much more positive.   = How about "permit".  Might that have been the intended word ?    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 07:15:47 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 3 Message-ID: <XVyB0$fIxW2O@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3ECA718E.867A8AC6@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Simon Clubley wrote:P >> If it's a "if you have already decided to leave VMS, we want you to stay with >> HP" I can live with that. >  > NO ! > N > "If you've decided to leave VMS, we are here to change you mind and see that > VMS is THE  best solution."   I I didn't say that I was _happy_ with it, I said I could live with it. Any I vendor that realises that one of their customers is going to leave one of L their products, will try to get them to switch to another of their products.M What I would be _happy_ with is seeing VMS getting promoted like it deserves. 4 What I couldn't tolerate would be HP doing a Palmer.  J Does that mean that I am comfortable seeing people leave VMS ? Not at all.L But if the customer, for example, cannot get the applications that they needK on VMS because no one in HP will get the application vendor to port to VMS, ! then what is the customer to do ?   L Or customers, who don't care about the technology involved, but only what itI will do for their organisation, keep getting bombarded with literature or G case studies showing all the great things that you can do with Unix and L Windows, but never seem to see any such material about the systems that they are currently running ?    > P > That is what a vendor would be expected to state whenever a customer indicates6 > the possibility of abandonning a profitable product.  L Also consider that unless someone within the organisation is a VMS supporterK and is trying to enlist HP's help early on, before the replace VMS momentum J has built up, in keeping the VMS systems, then by the time that HP gets toG hear of the VMS retirement, the organisation in question may be too far  along the replace VMS path.    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:52:25 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 & Message-ID: <3ECB7689.7010205@Free.fr>   Simon Clubley wrote:] > In article <3ec9d973$0$29706$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> writes:  >  >>Hi from Amsterdam, >> >  > 5 > Interesting comments, I have a couple of questions:  >  > N >>4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users to leave VMS) >>but to allow VMS users to stay with HP"  >> >  > + > In what context was this statement made ?  > O > If it's a "if you have already decided to leave VMS, we want you to stay with  > HP" I can live with that.  > B > If this was not in that context, then it's a wierd thing to say.  Q A customer said (more or less): "Why HP does not do anything to prevent existing  % Customers to leave the VMS platform?"    >  > D >>5. An information from Rich "VAX and Alpha Customers who are underC >>maintenance will upgrade to IA64 for free. Others will have a 40% 
 >>reduction".  >> >  > O > Interesting. Does this mean that we are about to see a forced platform change  > to IA-64 ?  O Sure. It has been clearly stated that the future of VAX/VMS and Alpha/VMS is a  P move to IA64. I think that everyone in the assistance understood that these two H products will be phased out, or better said, run out of support one day.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:53:43 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 & Message-ID: <3ECB76D7.3050303@Free.fr>   John Smith wrote: 	 > Didier,  > E > If you can still find Gorham and/or Marcello at the conference, ask 1 > them the following questions exactly as worded:  > D > 1) When is OpenVMS going to be advertised in a public manner, withD > advertising expenditures proportionate with OpenVMS revenue to HP?G > Will we see OpenVMS advertised in the same campaigns as all the other 6 > HP products such as the current world-wide campaign? > D > 2) When is Carly going to make a public statement, at a noteworthyE > event like COMDEX, that OpenVMS is going to be actively sold to new ? > customers on the same basis as any other HP operating system?  > C > 3) When are OpenVMS customer success stories going to be used for E > anything other than a .pdf file on the web site? These pdf's aren't G > seen by anyone other than those who specifically go looking for them, E > which is usually existing OpenVMS system managers/customers looking F > for ammunition to present to their management as reasons NOT to dump# > OpenVMS from their organizations.  > G > 4) Rich/Mark - in your estimation, what percentage of HP inside sales G > people know about OpenVMS? And of that percentage, what percentage of ; > those are qualified to talk about OpenVMS with customers?  > E > 5) Does HP actively discourage new customers from acquiring OpenVMS H > vs. HP-UX? If so, why? ( I have an ulterior motive in hearing what the > response will be. )    I did. Awaiting the answer.    D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:08:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 J Message-ID: <ELLya.223352$w7k.172515@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message , news:0ayya.8519$bA5.121249@news.chello.at...5 > In article <E6RAgJwN9dtG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: ? > >In article <3eca4abb$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander"  <warren.sander@hp.com> writes:C > >>> 3) When are OpenVMS customer success stories going to be used  for B > >>> anything other than a .pdf file on the web site? These pdf's aren'tE > >>> seen by anyone other than those who specifically go looking for  them, A > >>> which is usually existing OpenVMS system managers/customers  looking E > >>> for ammunition to present to their management as reasons NOT to  dump' > >>> OpenVMS from their organizations.  > >>C > >> exactly which success stories are not in HTML format? where on  the OpenVMS  > >> site is this? > >>@ > >> Since I put EVERY success story, presentation and any other
 windows based & > >> document into HTML format for theD > >> web site if I've overlooked one please let me know and I'll get an html 6 > >> version up asap. Having just checked I don't findE > >> any PDF only documents on the site. Again if you find a pdf only  document* > >> without an html document let me know. > > 3 > >Thanks Warren for the conversion to HTML effort. C > >It makes a big difference to be able to see it from the platform 
 discussed. > ' > Yup. And I like to thank Warren also.  > B > But as I interpret the question of "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>E > I'd say, that Warren didn't understand what John was asking. It was  not A > to criticize the webmaster (Warren) about using PDF (or HTML as 
 Warren wrote) E > it was to state the fact, that such success stories are ONLY on the 	 webserver : > and not in every appropriate trade magazine, in most HPQ advertisements or F > at every (non-VMS-only) computing exhibition, as this would take the hardC > and thankless work of VMS marketing away from VMS system managers  and giveA > it back where it belongs, to the hands of HPQ VMS marketeers...     * Thank you for your correct interpretation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:13:54 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)  Subject: Re: DFU question 1 Message-ID: <mYKya.1194$yI1.313@news.cpqcorp.net>   2 In article <qgwya.6216$bA5.97012@news.chello.at>, 8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:h >In article <bacqtj$je2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:" >>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:< >>> DFU V2.7A (24-SEP-2002) seems to be the current version. .." >>Just trying to install that now. ..& >>It got rapidly to 90%, then stalled. .. > ; >Probably the IVP of PCSI has process quota limit problems.  ..  H If this is the case and the IVP is defined as an EXECUTE TEST procedure,F the using the /NOTEST qualifier with the PRODUCT INSTALL command wouldF avoid the installation problem.  However, once installed, the product + may not run until you increase quotas, etc.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:04:10 GMT - From: "labadie" <tonari_no_tottoro@127.0.0.1> + Subject: Re: Finding out if TCPIP is in use 1 Message-ID: <uaIya.1187$no1.186@news.cpqcorp.net>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EC9F0E6.A0BDD8D0@istop.com... L > Ok, I get a great deal of data download during certain hours of the night. But G > to use that, I must send a command to my router to close the link and  re-open B > it again at the start of the period, and again at end of period. > G > I woudl like to find an easy way to ensure that when I reset the line  (PPPoEK > link), there are no active links to the internet. (for instance, the smtp @ > server isn't in the process of sending or receiving messages). > 4 > Any suggestion on how this would be accomplished ?  C some Dcl, as the following, but it should be modified to work fine.    Happy hacking !   
 $ ! 'f$ver(0) 
 $ set noon $ say := write sys$output  $ liste="25/139/515/23/1111", $ ! smtp/Pathworks or Samba/Lpd/telnet/bidon $ state = 0  $deb: ! $ port = f$ele(state,"/",liste)'" B $ pipe ( ucx sh dev/port='port | sea/nowar sys$input NODEVSOCK | -G rea sys$input fntmp 2> nl: > nl: ) && say "no devices for port ''port'"  $ if port.eqs."/" then exit  $ state = state + 1 
 $ goto deb   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:29:19 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: FREE TO A GOOD HOME0 Message-ID: <00A202F3.27B869A0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  v In article <Pine.GSO.4.55L-032.0305202245350.9086@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>, Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > . >some pics of some of the gear can be found at0 >http://www.vaxpower.org/~isildur/computers.html. >No pics of the 730, but a couple of the 750s.@ >The 730 has already been claimed (though not finalized), as has >one of the 750s! :)  K Vance built a bar out of a VAX 11/780.  If your 11/750 was in good cosmetic K shape, I was considering using it to cover my keg cooler in a similar vein. L However, since it seems that you have folks actually interested in these oldL bits (in their entirety), I'd hope that you'd offer your kit to them first. J If you don't find a better home for the 11/750, do let me know.  Mmm beer.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:57:44 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>- Subject: Re: Gartners crystal ball craked ... ) Message-ID: <3ECB3178.48E87EE5@127.0.0.1>    Bob Ceculski wrote:  > 3 > no Bill, my crystal is just fine ... it's Gartner  > who has a problem ...  > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9575  F I think the UK is an interesting example of what is being talked aboutD in the article, one of the points that the mobile phone / cell phoneD industry is what is driving chip manufacture. A couple of years ago,> there was a boom in mobile phone retailers, independent littleF businesses sprung up overnight on the boom. When everyone had both theG latest phone, and figured that the calling costs weren't quite as cheap G as they expected, the sales dropped off very rapidly, and most of theseo$ shops closed as soon as they opened.  F Sales are still being fuelled by the latest gadgets, picture and photoB messaging, but at the same time these devices are being restrictedG (particularly in our areas for obvious reasons) so having to leave youroC camera^H^H^H^H^H^H phone switched off at the security checkpoint iso making them less attractive.  C WAP's a nice idea, but until IE is on a 'phone, it'll not take off.U  E Perhaps the US is starting to see the analog to GSM revolution, whileuH the peak may not have been reached yet, culminating in the switch-off ofE the US analog cellphone network. The UK had a reason to do it as they E wanted to re-use the airspace (and VHF TV before it, and UHF TV now), C however the gravy train for all involved will get stalled by marketa saturation.r  ? Some of the continuing winners are perhaps the phone case/cover E manufacturers, there will always be a new style, perhaps this weekendeB I'll see phone covers sporting the latest David Beckham hairstyle.  A Back to the digital revolution, the UK take-up of off-air digitalmH services has been slower than the government really wants, meaning theirD targets for switching off analogue services has to be delayed. Is itA really a case of the features and gadgets of those services, or aeA question that the public aren't really fooled by the emperors newe? clothes? Terrestrial digital TV collapsed (twice) and the rivallC satellite service has just forced the hand of the original analogue  users.  A The digital world is getting less exciting, less reasons to throwdG consumer money into it, and if this is what the technology industry areRA pinning their hopes on, I think they're going to be disappointed.   A So what has all this got to do with VMS? Well Gartner have alwaysr: predicted its death, and they're wrong about that as well.  D (All personal opinions, shares can go down as well as up, pinches of- salt available at all good fast food outlets)n   -- I? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 06:51:07 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e- Subject: Re: Gartners crystal ball craked ...T3 Message-ID: <5+lgA5$a$7h8@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  T In article <3ECB3178.48E87EE5@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  G > Perhaps the US is starting to see the analog to GSM revolution, whileeJ > the peak may not have been reached yet, culminating in the switch-off of" > the US analog cellphone network.  G I have had my analog cellphone since 1984 (I had IMTS some years beforeMG AMPS was developed), but if the analog service were no longer available-" I am not sure I would get another.  F They don't seem to even make newer cellphones with the features I have for vehicle integration...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:32:23 -0400w* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: General Printer on LAN questionsV) Message-ID: <3ECB477C.6CDE9F92@istop.com>V  B OK, so I plugged in the ethernet card on my Declaser 5100 (LN09).   N Of course, this came with no documentation, and the DEClaser 5100 manuals thatK came with the printer contain no doc on the the ethernet card. And it seemst0 that manual isn't available on the net (is it ?)  J I have tried changing the printer's IP address as per the many messages onL usenet with the ping method, but it has hailed. Perhaps I should contact theI previous onwer of the card (whois on the IP address reveals it is a large- utility based in qubec :-)a  M The appletalk on ethernet works fine. The mac saw the printer right away. But:L I have absolutely no idea how I could change the printer's name etc etc. Any
 suggestions ?M  K Can one telnet/lat to some management port on the printer ? I can telnet tosK port 10001 and issue postscript commands. I have created an LTA device thatrE points to the information provided by the status page and if I copy aoH postscript file to that LTA port, it prints. But I have not been able toL connect to any management port. (not the NCP CONNECT NODE). The node name inC the printer is longer than 6 characters so I can't enter it in NCP.)    E Also, is there a way to prevent the network status page from printing $ everytime the printer is turned on ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:28:26 +0200-: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>- Subject: Re: General Printer on LAN questions / Message-ID: <bafupb$t9a6@doiweb4.volkswagen.de>7   JF Mezei schrieb:-D > OK, so I plugged in the ethernet card on my Declaser 5100 (LN09).  > P > Of course, this came with no documentation, and the DEClaser 5100 manuals thatM > came with the printer contain no doc on the the ethernet card. And it seemsl2 > that manual isn't available on the net (is it ?) > L > I have tried changing the printer's IP address as per the many messages onN > usenet with the ping method, but it has hailed. Perhaps I should contact theK > previous onwer of the card (whois on the IP address reveals it is a large- > utility based in qubec :-)- > O > The appletalk on ethernet works fine. The mac saw the printer right away. But N > I have absolutely no idea how I could change the printer's name etc etc. Any > suggestions ?1 > M > Can one telnet/lat to some management port on the printer ? I can telnet totM > port 10001 and issue postscript commands. I have created an LTA device that G > points to the information provided by the status page and if I copy aeJ > postscript file to that LTA port, it prints. But I have not been able toN > connect to any management port. (not the NCP CONNECT NODE). The node name inE > the printer is longer than 6 characters so I can't enter it in NCP.w >  > G > Also, is there a way to prevent the network status page from printingd& > everytime the printer is turned on ?  E If memory serves me right, you CANNOT change the IP adress of a 5100 i: printer, once it has been setup using the ARP/PING method!  E Maybe, it is possible to change the address using a NPMANAGE utility fI from a NOVELL system, the documentation is not quite clear and I have no S+ NOVELL system and therefore never tried it.        -- -  + mit freundlichen Gren | with best regards0    Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam$ Ellernbruch 11		D-38112 Braunschweig  E mailto:it-ingteam(at)t-online.de | mailto:rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de - mailto:extern.karl.rohwedder(at)volkswagen.dea   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 06:35:27 +0000 (UTC)iP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: how can I track down a nameserver problem$ Message-ID: <baf6nf$rsj$1@online.de>  I I have two hobbyist systems 500 km apart.  One is always online and very eG reliable.  The other I use essentially as a glorified X-terminal, i.e. aG mainly just to access the internet (and a lot of that is accessing the pG other hobbyist system).  As a result, I shut things down when I'm away tH for a while.  I've done this many times with no problem and things just  work when they come back up.   Now they don't.n  E What did I change?  Mainly, I cleaned up the TCPIP configuration and sB changed the names of nameservers I'm using.  Essentially, in this H respect I copied the information from the other system, where all works E fine (it is the same ISP for both systems).  I also changed the node 8G name and the domain to bogus stuff to prevent information from getting RF out via mail, news etc which could be used to construct a valid email  address (anti-spam).  @ After I made the changes (I changed both the dynamic and static D configurations) things worked and I WAS using the new nameservers.  D After bringing things back up, I can't resolve addresses.  When the B nameservers are unavailable, things hang for a while then I get a G "default servers are unavailable" message.  That's not the problem now.>4 Rather, I notice immediately that things don't work:      $    $ mc tcpip$nslookup r!    *** Can't initialize resolver.     $  D I've never seen this message before.  Thus, I can't even get to the * prompt in nslookup.  TCPIP SHOW HOST gives  2    %TCPIP-E-HOSTERROR, cannot process host request+    -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found     -RMS-E-RNF, record not foundo   For non-local hosts.  , Any hints on how to track down this problem?  I I suspect the problem has nothing to do with the nameservers (which WERE wF working before and work for the other system) but rather to the bogus D node name and domain name.  However, with the other system, while I H haven't changed the node name and domain name there, they are no longer F valid names (i.e. there is no DNS information available if one does a  lookup on node.domain).a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:39:11 -0400m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem) Message-ID: <3ECB4913.56880886@istop.com>r  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:.. > Any hints on how to track down this problem?    M Check the BIND logs in disk:[sys0.TCPIP$BIND] directory. This may provide youNJ with some clues. You can also use the TCPIP SET NAME/INIT to have the nameM service reload the config files. (type/tail to get to the end of the log, SET , NAME/INIT continues with existing log file).      G Also, make sure that the bind resolver points to a bing server whose ip- address is reachable.   M for instance, if in residence 1, you have an internal ip address of 10.0.0.15*L where the bind server runs, then  at residence 2, that address wouldn't workM since the machine at residence2 woudln't be able to reach that server throughm
 the internet.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:10:30 +0000 (UTC)cP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem$ Message-ID: <bafjam$54o$1@online.de>  2 In article <3ECB4913.56880886@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   C > Check the BIND logs in disk:[sys0.TCPIP$BIND] directory. This mayaJ > provide you with some clues. You can also use the TCPIP SET NAME/INIT toI > have the name service reload the config files. (type/tail to get to theoC > end of the log, SET NAME/INIT continues with existing log file).    ( News> spa dir SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]*bind*! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found    ???l  I > Also, make sure that the bind resolver points to a bind server whose ip1 > address is reachable.y   That is the case.l  E > for instance, if in residence 1, you have an internal ip address of J > 10.0.0.15 where the bind server runs, then  at residence 2, that addressI > wouldn't work since the machine at residence2 woudln't be able to reacha$ > that server through the internet.   ' I'm not running any BIND server myself.y   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:15:48 +0000 (UTC)tP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem$ Message-ID: <bafjkk$5fc$1@online.de>  2 In article <3ECB4913.56880886@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:   C > Check the BIND logs in disk:[sys0.TCPIP$BIND] directory. This may J > provide you with some clues. You can also use the TCPIP SET NAME/INIT toI > have the name service reload the config files. (type/tail to get to thewC > end of the log, SET NAME/INIT continues with existing log file).    @ This appears to be the error (from TCPIP$CONFIG with VERIFY on):  8 $READ/END_OF_FILE=DOMAIN_ERROR SYS$COMMAND DOMAIN_NAME -! /PROMPT="Enter Internet domain: " + Enter Internet domain: not.an.email.addressON $IF DOMAIN_NAME .EQS. "" .AND. TCPIP$DOMAIN_NAME .NES. "" THEN GOTO SKIP_D_SETP $IF f$locate("""",DOMAIN_NAME) .NE. f$length(DOMAIN_NAME) THEN GOTO DOMAIN_ERROR= $IF DOMAIN_NAME .NES. "" THEN TCPIP$DOMAIN_NAME = DOMAIN_NAMEo5 $IF TCPIP$DOMAIN_NAME .EQS. "" THEN GOTO DOMAIN_ERRORlD $TCPIP SET CONFIGURATION COMMUNICATION/DOMAIN="not.an.email.address"( $IF .NOT. $STATUS THEN GOTO DOMAIN_ERROR $TCPIP GENERATE DOMAIN, %TCPIP-E-INETERROR, internet interface error9 -TCPIP-E-INVQUAL, invalid qualifier value for /LOCAL_HOSTc -RMS-E-RNF, record not found  I Of course, not.an.email.address isn't a real domain.  However, I've been <F able to use other non-real domains in the past, and a real domain here gives the same error.l  . WHAT is the invalid qualifier for /LOCAL_HOST?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:52:20 +01008- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> 6 Subject: Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem/ Message-ID: <vcmmjth4290q1d@corp.supernews.com>n  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:e
 >[...snip...]tB > This appears to be the error (from TCPIP$CONFIG with VERIFY on): > : > $READ/END_OF_FILE=DOMAIN_ERROR SYS$COMMAND DOMAIN_NAME -# > /PROMPT="Enter Internet domain: "i- > Enter Internet domain: not.an.email.addresseP > $IF DOMAIN_NAME .EQS. "" .AND. TCPIP$DOMAIN_NAME .NES. "" THEN GOTO SKIP_D_SETR > $IF f$locate("""",DOMAIN_NAME) .NE. f$length(DOMAIN_NAME) THEN GOTO DOMAIN_ERROR? > $IF DOMAIN_NAME .NES. "" THEN TCPIP$DOMAIN_NAME = DOMAIN_NAMEo7 > $IF TCPIP$DOMAIN_NAME .EQS. "" THEN GOTO DOMAIN_ERRORiF > $TCPIP SET CONFIGURATION COMMUNICATION/DOMAIN="not.an.email.address"* > $IF .NOT. $STATUS THEN GOTO DOMAIN_ERROR > $TCPIP GENERATE DOMAIN. > %TCPIP-E-INETERROR, internet interface error; > -TCPIP-E-INVQUAL, invalid qualifier value for /LOCAL_HOST  > -RMS-E-RNF, record not found > K > Of course, not.an.email.address isn't a real domain.  However, I've been iH > able to use other non-real domains in the past, and a real domain here > gives the same error.p > 0 > WHAT is the invalid qualifier for /LOCAL_HOST?  F Well, as luck would have it, I've just had this very problem at one of our customers :-)g  C You've "lost" your local host name somehow when you were "messing" w around with the configuration.  @ $ tcpip set conf comm/domain="not.an.email.address"/local="I-am"  = will fix it (it will give your machine the local name "I-am".u+ I'm sure you can think of a better name :-)   	 Roy Omonds Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:17:49 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a6 Subject: Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem; Message-ID: <01KW5P3OKR7CAM3M2Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  H > Well, as luck would have it, I've just had this very problem at one of > our customers :-)    Am I in good company?  :-)  E > You've "lost" your local host name somehow when you were "messing" o  > around with the configuration. > B > $ tcpip set conf comm/domain="not.an.email.address"/local="I-am" > ? > will fix it (it will give your machine the local name "I-am".o- > I'm sure you can think of a better name :-)e  > Thanks.  I suspect that when one completely changes the TCPIP @ configuration it is important to do things in the correct order.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:37:26 +0100r- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>06 Subject: Re: how can I track down a nameserver problem/ Message-ID: <vcn09cjg91j895@corp.supernews.com>    Phillip Helbig wrote:TH >>Well, as luck would have it, I've just had this very problem at one of >>our customers :-)  >  >  > Am I in good company?  :-) i  G I guess so - a world-wide company, HQ in UK, with a very Germanic name  9 ;-)  P.s. *big* VMS user.  You're allowed *one* guess :-)   E >>You've "lost" your local host name somehow when you were "messing" 0  >>around with the configuration. >>B >>$ tcpip set conf comm/domain="not.an.email.address"/local="I-am" >>? >>will fix it (it will give your machine the local name "I-am".r- >>I'm sure you can think of a better name :-)r >  > @ > Thanks.  I suspect that when one completely changes the TCPIP B > configuration it is important to do things in the correct order.   In der Tat !  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:36:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t6 Subject: Re: how can I track down a nameserver problemD Message-ID: <DOOya.840$cK1.301@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message) news:vcn09cjg91j895@corp.supernews.com...a > Phillip Helbig wrote:-C > >>Well, as luck would have it, I've just had this very problem atc one of > >>our customers :-)  > >g > >  > > Am I in good company?  :-) >rC > I guess so - a world-wide company, HQ in UK, with a very Germanica name; > ;-)  P.s. *big* VMS user.  You're allowed *one* guess :-)h   My one guess: Reutersi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:24:44 -0400w) From: "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>l+ Subject: How to make a shadowed system diskd9 Message-ID: <R2Lya.3333$cq1.526543@news20.bellglobal.com>-  	 Hello all-  # A few questions on volume shadowingn  ? 1) I can't seem to find out how to make a shadowed system disk.m   Is it as simple as:    $ MCR SYSGEN USE CURRENT  SET SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1a SET SHADOW_SYS_UNIT= whatevert
 WRITE CURRENTn EXIT   ...and then reboot?F  4 One rebooted, add other volume(s) to the shadow set?  4 2) What setting  changes (if any) need to be/ can be) made to the console variable BOOTDEF_DEV?-6 Can this variable be a list of members of a shadowset?   TIAi Scottr   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 10:20:39 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system diskm= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305210920.7ba6feb3@posting.google.com>c  j "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> wrote in message news:<R2Lya.3333$cq1.526543@news20.bellglobal.com>... > Hello allo > % > A few questions on volume shadowing4 > A > 1) I can't seem to find out how to make a shadowed system disk.R >  > Is it as simple as:c >  > $ MCR SYSGEN
 > USE CURRENT0 > SET SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1  > SET SHADOW_SYS_UNIT= whatever  > WRITE CURRENTn > EXIT >  > ...and then reboot?  > 6 > One rebooted, add other volume(s) to the shadow set? > 6 > 2) What setting  changes (if any) need to be/ can be+ > made to the console variable BOOTDEF_DEV?w8 > Can this variable be a list of members of a shadowset? >  > TIAs > Scottl   $ EDT MODPARAMS.DATo  
 ALLOCLASS=101  SHADOWING=2n SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1a SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=0e SHADOW_MAX_COPY=2n SHADOW_SYS_TMO=20   > then run autogen and reboot.  The above configuration is for a; shadow set of 2 disks with "DKA0" being the primary member.l( When rebooted, mount the 2nd member with  D $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA0:/SHADOW=($101$DKA0,$101$DKA100) SHADOW1  A of course you substitute in your allocation class and drive namess< accordingly.  There is a shadow doc set you can buy when youB purchase a shadow license, which I assume you have.  The secondary< member will build with a copy operation, and you can see the status with "SHOW DEVICE".   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 05:41:42 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)c+ Subject: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMS.< Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305210441.6328f55@posting.google.com>  ) Converted to plain text by Sue Skonetski.L      ________________________________> PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 21, 2003--HP HPQ today; announced offerings with BEA designed to help alleviate the.? traditional complexities of integrating disparate solutions andiA applications across an enterprise. BEA WebLogic Server(TM) is noww: available on HP AlphaServer systems running HP OpenVMS andF industry-standard HP ProLiant servers running Linux and is expected to? be available on HP NonStop servers in June. HP also announced acF cooperative support agreement with BEA that provides customers runningB BEA WebLogic Server on HP platforms with support from either HP or BEA.C With WebLogic Sever running across multiple HP platforms, including E Itanium(R) 2-based systems on HP-UX announced in February, HP and BEAs8 customers can more easily and cost-effectively manage ITC infrastructures, building on existing assets in open, interoperableiF environments. Furthermore, with WebLogic Server on NonStop servers and@ OpenVMS, customers can simplify the deployment and management of9 critical applications as well as achieve higher levels ofuB availability, data integrity and scalability previously associated with legacy mainframes.a? "HP and BEA continue to improve customers' ability to integratecC applications in existing IT environments. Today's developments help:? customers simplify application integration, positioning them to F realize a higher return on information technology. In addition, the HPD and BEA alliance provides an exciting combination across multiple HPD platforms," said Pierre Fricke, executive vice president, D.H. Brown Associates. > "We have seen a shift over the past two years from applicationF development to application integration, a trend that brings tremendousD complexity and cost," said Mark Hudson, vice president of marketing,F HP Enterprise Storage and Servers. "We are working with BEA to provideD interoperable and scalable environments, fundamental for building an8 adaptive enterprise, that enable customers to easily and4 cost-effectively move to an integrated environment."E "BEA and HP offer a wide choice of high-performing, industry-standardsF platforms with the technical expertise to deliver integrated solutionsF that increase customer productivity and responsiveness while providing@ uncompromising value and business agility," said John Gray, viceE president, worldwide alliances, BEA Systems. "Today's milestones mark F continued developments between industry leaders, enabling customers toF develop and deploy applications that meet current and long-term IT and business needs."B HP and BEA have created a fast call transfer and problem isolationC agreement that is designed to quickly and efficiently resolve jointhF customer support requests. This agreement establishes a formal support= relationship between HP and BEA that outlines call managementnF processes to be used to resolve interoperability concerns on behalf ofF joint customers. The companies' support organizations work together toB isolate the cause to ensure the proper support group addresses the< issue, something of particular benefit when the issue is notE immediately obvious. This agreement pertains to customers running BEA E WLS on the HP NonStop platform. Support for HP servers running HP-UX, ? OpenVMS, Windows(R), Tru-64 UNIX(R) and Linux are planned to bev available within 90 days.-? Expected to be available in June, BEA WebLogic Server on the HPiB NonStop platform is designed to allow enterprise customers to moreF easily develop and deploy new applications while still benefiting from? NonStop scale and high availability. In addition, customers canr> integrate new applications with existing software assets in an? adaptive, easily managed and cost-effective manner enabling thetE realization of high-volume transaction processing. These applications = will automatically and transparently assume the features of aPE traditional NonStop application including fault-tolerant software andi	 hardware.o@ BEA WebLogic Server on HP OpenVMS allows enterprise customers toE continue running applications on existing systems while enhancing and C developing new application features, all via J2EE functionality. In B addition to developing native WLS on OpenVMS applications, OpenVMSD customers can also develop new applications on non-OpenVMS platformsF and deploy or integrate these applications with their OpenVMS systems.E BEA WebLogic Server on the HP OpenVMS platform will ultimately enable B customers to seamlessly move applications to the Itanium platform.E BEA WebLogic Server is now available on industry-standard HP ProLiantnF servers running Linux, with an integrated software suite and optimizedC to run BEA Weblogic Server. This application server solution offerssE enterprise customers faster Web-based application deployments, better-C interoperability and the price to performance advantage of Linux oni industry-standard platforms.D HP and BEA have been working together for over five years to provideC application infrastructure solutions for the integrated enterprise,l; establishing themselves as the global leaders in enterprisetD application integration. BEA and HP's commitment to providing choice? and interoperability enables customers to cost-effectively takee% advantage of the adaptive enterprise.e	 About HP  A HP delivers vital technology for business and life. The company'st? solutions span IT infrastructure, personal computing and access @ devices, global services and imaging and printing for consumers,F enterprises and small and medium business. For the last four quarters,> HP revenue totaled $70.4 billion. More information about HP is available at http://www.hp.com.uE Note to Editors: Intel and Itanium are registered trademarks of IntelpC Corp. or its subsidiaries in the United States and other countries.tC HP-UX Release 10.20 and later and HP-UX Release 11.00 and later (ineE both 32- and 64-bit configurations) on all HP 9000 computers are Open E Group UNIX 95 branded products. UNIX is a registered trademark of therE Open Group. Windows is a U.S. registered trademark of Microsoft Corp.aB This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve? risks, uncertainties and assumptions. All statements other than A statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemedc@ forward-looking statements. Risks, uncertainties and assumptions? include the possibility that the market for the sale of certain C products and services may not develop as expected; that development-A and performance of these products and services may not proceed asyE planned; and other risks that are described from time to time in HP'sEE Securities and Exchange Commission reports, including but not limited'C to HP's quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended JanuaryyB 31, 2003, and subsequently filed reports. If any of these risks or= uncertainties materializes or any of these assumptions provesnF incorrect, HP's results could differ materially from HP's expectations= in these statements. HP assumes no obligation to update these  forward-looking statements.g Contact Information: > HP Janet Dean, 281/514-1359 janet.dean@hp.com?    2003 BusinessWire    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:43:26 -0400 1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>n/ Subject: RE: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMSt@ Message-ID: <37A773ADDA84D711A42700B0D0FC529C033998@NYEXCHANGE2>   Sue,  C Is this a possible sign that we will also see BEAmessageQ (formelryt! DECmessageQ) on the Itanium also?n  , It is critical for our continued use of VMS.   Thanks,e   Mike Farrell    -----Original Message-----aH From: 	susan_skonetski@hotmail.com [mailto:susan_skonetski@hotmail.com] % Sent:	Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:42 AMt To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + Subject:	HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMSa  ) Converted to plain text by Sue Skonetski.o      ________________________________> PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 21, 2003--HP HPQ today; announced offerings with BEA designed to help alleviate thet? traditional complexities of integrating disparate solutions anddA applications across an enterprise. BEA WebLogic Server(TM) is nowo: available on HP AlphaServer systems running HP OpenVMS andF industry-standard HP ProLiant servers running Linux and is expected to? be available on HP NonStop servers in June. HP also announced a F cooperative support agreement with BEA that provides customers runningB BEA WebLogic Server on HP platforms with support from either HP or BEA.C With WebLogic Sever running across multiple HP platforms, includingtE Itanium(R) 2-based systems on HP-UX announced in February, HP and BEAo8 customers can more easily and cost-effectively manage ITC infrastructures, building on existing assets in open, interoperablerF environments. Furthermore, with WebLogic Server on NonStop servers and@ OpenVMS, customers can simplify the deployment and management of9 critical applications as well as achieve higher levels of1B availability, data integrity and scalability previously associated with legacy mainframes.a? "HP and BEA continue to improve customers' ability to integratecC applications in existing IT environments. Today's developments helpr? customers simplify application integration, positioning them to2F realize a higher return on information technology. In addition, the HPD and BEA alliance provides an exciting combination across multiple HPD platforms," said Pierre Fricke, executive vice president, D.H. Brown Associates.e> "We have seen a shift over the past two years from applicationF development to application integration, a trend that brings tremendousD complexity and cost," said Mark Hudson, vice president of marketing,F HP Enterprise Storage and Servers. "We are working with BEA to provideD interoperable and scalable environments, fundamental for building an8 adaptive enterprise, that enable customers to easily and4 cost-effectively move to an integrated environment."E "BEA and HP offer a wide choice of high-performing, industry-standard F platforms with the technical expertise to deliver integrated solutionsF that increase customer productivity and responsiveness while providing@ uncompromising value and business agility," said John Gray, viceE president, worldwide alliances, BEA Systems. "Today's milestones mark F continued developments between industry leaders, enabling customers toF develop and deploy applications that meet current and long-term IT and business needs."B HP and BEA have created a fast call transfer and problem isolationC agreement that is designed to quickly and efficiently resolve joint F customer support requests. This agreement establishes a formal support= relationship between HP and BEA that outlines call managementvF processes to be used to resolve interoperability concerns on behalf ofF joint customers. The companies' support organizations work together toB isolate the cause to ensure the proper support group addresses the< issue, something of particular benefit when the issue is notE immediately obvious. This agreement pertains to customers running BEA"E WLS on the HP NonStop platform. Support for HP servers running HP-UX,O? OpenVMS, Windows(R), Tru-64 UNIX(R) and Linux are planned to be  available within 90 days.q? Expected to be available in June, BEA WebLogic Server on the HP-B NonStop platform is designed to allow enterprise customers to moreF easily develop and deploy new applications while still benefiting from? NonStop scale and high availability. In addition, customers can5> integrate new applications with existing software assets in an? adaptive, easily managed and cost-effective manner enabling therE realization of high-volume transaction processing. These applications = will automatically and transparently assume the features of ayE traditional NonStop application including fault-tolerant software anda	 hardware. @ BEA WebLogic Server on HP OpenVMS allows enterprise customers toE continue running applications on existing systems while enhancing andnC developing new application features, all via J2EE functionality. InnB addition to developing native WLS on OpenVMS applications, OpenVMSD customers can also develop new applications on non-OpenVMS platformsF and deploy or integrate these applications with their OpenVMS systems.E BEA WebLogic Server on the HP OpenVMS platform will ultimately enablenB customers to seamlessly move applications to the Itanium platform.E BEA WebLogic Server is now available on industry-standard HP ProLiantsF servers running Linux, with an integrated software suite and optimizedC to run BEA Weblogic Server. This application server solution offers E enterprise customers faster Web-based application deployments, better C interoperability and the price to performance advantage of Linux onK industry-standard platforms.D HP and BEA have been working together for over five years to provideC application infrastructure solutions for the integrated enterprise,u; establishing themselves as the global leaders in enterpriserD application integration. BEA and HP's commitment to providing choice? and interoperability enables customers to cost-effectively takee% advantage of the adaptive enterprise. 	 About HP eA HP delivers vital technology for business and life. The company's ? solutions span IT infrastructure, personal computing and accessy@ devices, global services and imaging and printing for consumers,F enterprises and small and medium business. For the last four quarters,> HP revenue totaled $70.4 billion. More information about HP is available at http://www.hp.com. E Note to Editors: Intel and Itanium are registered trademarks of InteluC Corp. or its subsidiaries in the United States and other countries.rC HP-UX Release 10.20 and later and HP-UX Release 11.00 and later (invE both 32- and 64-bit configurations) on all HP 9000 computers are OpenlE Group UNIX 95 branded products. UNIX is a registered trademark of thetE Open Group. Windows is a U.S. registered trademark of Microsoft Corp. B This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve? risks, uncertainties and assumptions. All statements other than A statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemedn@ forward-looking statements. Risks, uncertainties and assumptions? include the possibility that the market for the sale of certain C products and services may not develop as expected; that developmentmA and performance of these products and services may not proceed as E planned; and other risks that are described from time to time in HP'siE Securities and Exchange Commission reports, including but not limitedrC to HP's quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended JanuaryaB 31, 2003, and subsequently filed reports. If any of these risks or= uncertainties materializes or any of these assumptions provessF incorrect, HP's results could differ materially from HP's expectations= in these statements. HP assumes no obligation to update theseo forward-looking statements.o Contact Information: t HP Janet Dean, 281/514-1359 janet.dean@hp.come   (c) 2003 BusinessWirew   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:48:10 +0100e5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt>o/ Subject: Re: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMSr5 Message-ID: <bafsme$sildb$1@ID-191217.news.dfncis.de>   < "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com> wrote in message: news:37A773ADDA84D711A42700B0D0FC529C033998@NYEXCHANGE2... > Sue, >:E > Is this a possible sign that we will also see BEAmessageQ (formelryc# > DECmessageQ) on the Itanium also?1 >4. > It is critical for our continued use of VMS. >.	 > Thanks,  >  > Mike Farrell >t4 see: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/beamessageq.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:01:14 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>< Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign8 Message-ID: <i45ncv4tpfn80mv7itdngstqlnn0su19v7@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 19 May 2003 13:59:09 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyt. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:     > @ >HP Invent is a great tagline but it hardly reflects the reality? >of HP as a corporation where the biggest single contributor toe@ >positive share value and profitability in general over the last9 >decade has been the HP business that puts toner in pots.g >i  K Ho hum...  Again with critizing marketing campaigns.  Isn't there somethingoJ more interesting/valuable to discuss?  I mean, Sun put the "." in ".bomb".   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 02:02:39 -0700. From: briansz@sitemouse.com (Brian S. Zurbach)M Subject: Looking for some DS20e parts, possible trade for other DEC gear or ? < Message-ID: <5e847f3e.0305210102.d221320@posting.google.com>   Hi All,w  B Recently picked up a Compaq DS20e.  This is the first one of theseC I've seen, it shows a production date of 7/2000 and is the large 5Ua> rackmount chassis.  The machine has one 500MHz EV6, 1GB RAM (4B sticks), 3 HD blank panels (in a 4 slot drive cage), and all three@ hotswap PSU's.  I've managed to get it up and running w/o issue.  C I got this machine *very* cheap as it was missing some non-critical C cosmetic parts.  I'd like to find them at a reasonable price (whichgF won't be from Compaq) as I am a hobbyist and intend to use the machineE personally as a workstation/light duty server.  Right now it is beingE1 used as a (very large, very reliable) Seti slave.h   I need to locate:c  : (1) DS20e Rackmount Front Panel or Deskside Conversion Kit  + (1) working DS20e Floppy/CD-ROM combo drive   C (1) working 500MHz EV6 module (the goal is to run this machine withe RedHat 7.2 SMP):  E I could use a SCA hotswap HD sled also, but I can get that on eBay if F necessary.  The other stuff is a bit harder to find, can't even locateD a part number on the floppy/CD-ROM combo.  Not sure if it requires aC sled/carrier or plugs right into the SCA-like connector inside that  slot on the DS20e.  D Anybody have this stuff laying around used on a shelf for reasonableC $$, this 500MHz CPU card is not the 'latest and greatest' 667MHz or'E 833MHz EV6x current model.  Perhaps someone still has the front panele3 and CD/floppy drive from a dead or discarded DS20e?w  ? Possible trades could include a fully configured and functionaleF PC164LX EV56 machine (DEC mobo) 600MHz/256MB/CD/Soundblaster/2940UW asD well as some external Digital SBB shelves, around a dozen SBB PSU's, etc.  C Current eBay value of my configured PC164LX machine is ~ $300.  Pixo@ are available if you have something I'm looking for to trade (or partially trade) for it.  F If you email me at the indicated address, please be patient, sitemouseD is my spam-catcher account and I check it no more than several times	 per week.s  
 Best Regards,o   Brian S. Zurbach briansz@sitemouse.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 06:45:56 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100Ac$ Message-ID: <baf7b4$s0s$1@online.de>  3 In article <HwsY2HESWiNo@eisner.encompasserve.org>,m> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   M > > Thanks to responses here, I now know what's what.  My current problem is s! > > getting it to see SCSI disks.o > B >    Connect a serial terminal to the MMJ port on the HSJ.  You'llG >    probably find that the DSSI side of the HSJ is disabled.  For somev' >    reason they tend to ship that way.   F Are you sure that the SBB in the BA350 is an HSJ?  I certainly didn't  see any MMJ port on it.  r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:23:31 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>sI Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!-I Message-ID: <DZLya.223453$w7k.75832@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message & news:3ECA9694.9080009@tsoft-inc.com... >e >v  <snip>m >e9 >I'm just a dummy, but I still haven't figured out how toyB > build a backup of the running system disk in windows that can be used to restoren > the system disk.  = Backup software from the following will do it (more or less):o   www.dantz.com - Retrospect? www.stompinc.com - personal versions of BackupExec (BackupMyPC) , www.ultrabac.com - eponymously named product www.veritas.com - BackupExec   ------------------------------   Date: 21 May 2003 15:02:53 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)I Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!y5 Message-ID: <bag4es$t0hg2$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>t  I In article <DZLya.223453$w7k.75832@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,a& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ( > news:3ECA9694.9080009@tsoft-inc.com... >> >>	 >  <snip>m >>: >>I'm just a dummy, but I still haven't figured out how toC >> build a backup of the running system disk in windows that can beA > used to restoree >> the system disk.n > ? > Backup software from the following will do it (more or less):r >  > www.dantz.com - RetrospectA > www.stompinc.com - personal versions of BackupExec (BackupMyPC) . > www.ultrabac.com - eponymously named product > www.veritas.com - BackupExec    Or Ghost from Symantec.o  G But I think he was asking (possibly tongue-in-cheek) for something thats was actually a part of the OS.   bill h   -- mJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:29:47 +0100E( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(tt) Message-ID: <3ECB632B.EE4C389C@127.0.0.1>    Hans Vlems wrote:, > 5 > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> schreef in berichto1 > news:badios$r8ivo$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de...m. > > On 20-May-2003 15:04, Sue Skonetski wrote: > >,! > > > What a great OpenVMS Pearl,  > > >iJ > > > Once again the OpenVMS Team is showing the world how real clustering7 > >                                           ^^^^^^^^^h > > > is done. > > >L > > > [...]y > >eK > > I suppose that's only a very limited part of "the world" -- just peoplenJ > > reading this very specific newsgroup (i.e., "preaching to the choir"). > >n8 > > When will the VAX-Itanium-Cluster be up and running? > >o > > Michael  > >.F > There is an Alpha Itanium cluster up and running at DECUS Amsterdam.J > Actually if that works then adding a VAX must not be that difficult. One: > booth even brought a 3100-80 so they could go and try... >  > Hans  C Nothing major has changed in the SCS layer as I'm aware since c6.2,iH providing the participants have good backups, I'd be all for giving it a go!h   -- r? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:37:27 +0100b* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm-5 Message-ID: <bafdva$t64sb$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>8  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0305201610.3ca6dd62@posting.google.com...r > Newsgroup, >rE > I am sorry that some of you (not all for sure) do not seem to enjoy E > hearing good news about VMS.  The engineers are busting their buttshE > making this port happen with VMS, they are working hard and doing a H > good job, and the only feedback they get here is marketing complaints.F >  Nothing is wrong in saying "great job engineering we knew you couldD > do it".  But to take every milestone and keep up with the same oldF > thing does not solve anything except make the competition smile with > glee.0 > G > I get a lot of comments that I am preaching to the choir, guess what!tC > You are doing the same thing, everyone that I know who reads thish@ > newsgroup thinks that VMS is the best and would like to see itG > advertised, be in every speach, in every report and every event.  But:E > if we spent our time on what is wrong we could not do what everyonei > said was impossible. >)   Sue,  5 At least part of the problem is that of expectations.-B We never for a moment DOUBTED that engineering would achieve theseI milestones, we are so used to miracles being performed on an almost dailyg0 basis that after a while we become inured to it.  ' Oh, yawn, yet another touch of magic...   J What would be (and is) news is any FAILURE, and the ONLY failure we see is2 in HP's public presentation of the news about VMS.  E What we need is an evangelist, able to make HP recognise the folly ofeI scaling back a cash cow (it used to be a herd of them!), able to tell theS7 world about all those thing we take for granted in VMS.   . Boot it and forget it. No problems, long term.9 Essentially unhackable. Secure by design, out of the box.H? Virus immune. Is it even *possible* to write a real VMS virus ?D etc.etc.     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.netO http://www.travell.uk.net/                     ---D& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 13/05/2003R   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:48:44 +0100L* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tme, Message-ID: <bagalc$14dg@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  a "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message news:bag8t3$stkrf$2@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de...-  P > All advertisements I've recently seen in the  newspaper (from various hardwareL > vendors, including HP) mention  "<vendor> is highly recommending MicrosoftB > Windows XP". "The most secure operating system ever invented"???  G Yes. I've noticed many leave out the "we don't really mean this but oure) contract obliges us to say it" part also.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 10:30:44 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm.< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305210930.232ae7c@posting.google.com>  v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0305201610.3ca6dd62@posting.google.com>... > Newsgroup, > E > I am sorry that some of you (not all for sure) do not seem to enjoyNE > hearing good news about VMS.  The engineers are busting their buttsRE > making this port happen with VMS, they are working hard and doing aeH > good job, and the only feedback they get here is marketing complaints.F >  Nothing is wrong in saying "great job engineering we knew you couldD > do it".  But to take every milestone and keep up with the same oldF > thing does not solve anything except make the competition smile with > glee.h > G > I get a lot of comments that I am preaching to the choir, guess what!tC > You are doing the same thing, everyone that I know who reads this @ > newsgroup thinks that VMS is the best and would like to see itG > advertised, be in every speach, in every report and every event.  ButsE > if we spent our time on what is wrong we could not do what everyone  > said was impossible. >  > Sue   6 the problem is not in engineering, it's in management!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:22:19 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm05 Message-ID: <bag8t3$stkrf$2@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>l  $ On 21-May-2003, Sue Skonetski wrote:  E > I am sorry that some of you (not all for sure) do not seem to enjoy  > hearing good news about VMS.  - That's simply wrong as far as I am concerned.   (  > The engineers are busting their buttsE > making this port happen with VMS, they are working hard and doing af > good job,l  	 No doubt.c  ?  > and the only feedback they get here is marketing complaints.n  I The "marketing complaints" aren't aimed at the _engineers_ of course but oF apparently the "OpenVMS marketing department" (if that exists at all)  doesn't seem to be interested.  F >  Nothing is wrong in saying "great job engineering we knew you couldD > do it".  But to take every milestone and keep up with the same oldF > thing does not solve anything except make the competition smile with > glee.s  F "Smile with glee"? Even fears something like that could happen should 3 result in a massive marketing campaign immediately.   @ I didn't see any information printed in the business part of my D newspaper similar to "HP is proud to announce that it got the first D implementation of its famous OpenVMS clustering software running on H Itanium." Just a few lines would have been sufficient. As far as I know G a vendor giving out a press release hasn't to pay for it being printed.i   > G > I get a lot of comments that I am preaching to the choir, guess what! C > You are doing the same thing, everyone that I know who reads this @ > newsgroup thinks that VMS is the best and would like to see itG > advertised, be in every speach, in every report and every event.  But-E > if we spent our time on what is wrong we could not do what everyone@ > said was impossible.  H It is quite a bit difficult to _sell_ products to people if they aren't F aware of these products. All advertisements I've recently seen in the @ newspaper (from various hardware vendors, including HP) mention I "<vendor> is highly recommending Microsoft Windows XP". "The most secure u" operating system ever invented"???   Michaelu   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2003 23:28:27 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) Subject: Portents of VMS death< Message-ID: <7500353b.0305202228.a0b6664@posting.google.com>  D Let me begin with the type of this newsgroup. Just a year or two agoD this used to be communicating channel of VMS customers, managers and8 supporters so on and now it is a hobbyist site of peopleE collecting/trading old computer systems like Lord Isildurs impressive A collection. The mails of how do I get my data/applications out tohC other computers has been disappearing (either people are happy withRA current plans or there are not many left) and replaced with spam, : flame against micro$oft, Linux, Sun containing unrealisticA dreams/claims of VMS becoming the operating system of choice whena* no-one in their right mind would buy that.  B The figures from HP state the user base of 400.000. This figure isF totally other thing than 400.000 computer systems. If we say there areE 40 users per computer, then the computer base is around 10.000 and iscF likely to come down more and more. The places where I've seen VMS haveE been disappearing lately and only places that I see are the ones thatmE run rare custom applications being too expensive to port. Programmers.D that did these systems have died on old age and although source codeE is sometimes available, it would take years to convert it because thei. code was not made portable from the beginning.  F It is obvious that VMS is lead softly to grave. But burrying it is notB cheap, although it is elegant. Compaq/HP value their customers andF provide a step from it because the companies still using it have faithB to their systems and if that is lost, grand business is lost. I amF 100% sure that none of the commercial software wendors like Oracle areD porting their software to iVMS for free, but on the other hand, each& new port to Alpha VMS costs money too.  @ Now, I've seen people telling that this is not good strategy andB presenting unrealistic dreams that VMS should raise from death andE kill all operating systems. This is not gonna happen. If HP would not A have ported to iVMS, Alpha production would still be cut and onlyOD supplies be manufactured in outsourced places. On the other hand, itE also seems to me that some people think iVMS will create new businessaF and be promoted by HP. This is not gonna happen either. If you look atE the new HP superdome servers, do you think those are gonna run iVMS ?EC No. VMS just does not scale up enough. It will end to small 1-4-way2F SMP servers or Hyperthreaded 1-2 CPU servers that will serve that last0 application that people are not able to convert.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:11:49 +0000 (UTC)o+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)_" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death+ Message-ID: <bafmtl$1r4$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>i  m In article <7500353b.0305202228.a0b6664@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:pE >Let me begin with the type of this newsgroup. Just a year or two agoaE >this used to be communicating channel of VMS customers, managers and 9 >supporters so on and now it is a hobbyist site of peopleaF >collecting/trading old computer systems like Lord Isildurs impressiveB >collection. The mails of how do I get my data/applications out toD >other computers has been disappearing (either people are happy withB >current plans or there are not many left) and replaced with spam,; >flame against micro$oft, Linux, Sun containing unrealisticnB >dreams/claims of VMS becoming the operating system of choice when+ >no-one in their right mind would buy that.  >n  I You obviously haven't been using this group for very long. The mixture issJ pretty much as it has been for the last 5 to 10 years. You have to go backM earlier than that to get to a newsgroup where most of the discussions were ona purely technical issues.M We've seen a few more newbies in recent years due to the hobbyist program butvL most would view that as being to the good. There have been a couple of postsO from people who after learning VMS as a hobbyist have gone on to get jobs usingn VMS.  3 Although you have some "extremists" in the group :-.  % Bob - VMS is the ONLY OS worth using o   andn  M Andrew - A Sun employee who only seems to post to this newsgroup and attemptsvJ to spread FUD (You'll find almost no posts on Sun newsgroups or elsewhere N from him and it has been speculated that he is specifically employed by SUN in this capacity).n  > Most people in this group know VMS's strengths and weaknesses.    C >The figures from HP state the user base of 400.000. This figure ispG >totally other thing than 400.000 computer systems. If we say there are   O I believe you will find that this figure is indeed computer systems. The number J of users would be in the many millions and would depend exactly on how you define "user".    F >40 users per computer, then the computer base is around 10.000 and isG >likely to come down more and more. The places where I've seen VMS haveiF >been disappearing lately and only places that I see are the ones thatF >run rare custom applications being too expensive to port. ProgrammersE >that did these systems have died on old age and although source code F >is sometimes available, it would take years to convert it because the/ >code was not made portable from the beginning.c >   N There are a number of areas - stock exchanges, health systems, lottery systemsN etc where VMS is still the major player. The Intel chip manufacturing process % is controlled by systems running VMS.   G >It is obvious that VMS is lead softly to grave. But burrying it is noteC >cheap, although it is elegant. Compaq/HP value their customers andrG >provide a step from it because the companies still using it have faithsC >to their systems and if that is lost, grand business is lost. I ameG >100% sure that none of the commercial software wendors like Oracle aremE >porting their software to iVMS for free, but on the other hand, eachs' >new port to Alpha VMS costs money too.u > A >Now, I've seen people telling that this is not good strategy andxC >presenting unrealistic dreams that VMS should raise from death andoF >kill all operating systems. This is not gonna happen. If HP would notB >have ported to iVMS, Alpha production would still be cut and onlyE >supplies be manufactured in outsourced places. On the other hand, iteF >also seems to me that some people think iVMS will create new businessG >and be promoted by HP. This is not gonna happen either. If you look attF >the new HP superdome servers, do you think those are gonna run iVMS ?D >No. VMS just does not scale up enough. It will end to small 1-4-wayG >SMP servers or Hyperthreaded 1-2 CPU servers that will serve that lastH1 >application that people are not able to convert.r  K VMS on Marvel systems scales extremely well. Galaxy which is currently onlypG supported on VMS means that it can scale almost linearly to potentiallygK hundreds if not thousands of CPUs (Unfortunately at the moment the hardwareaJ is the limiting factor in that it doesn't support hundreds or thousands ofK CPUs - though I believe there are plans for a Marvel system with 128 cpus).o    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 09:13:15 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)i" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death3 Message-ID: <D+ATmOj+SULE@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  m In article <7500353b.0305202228.a0b6664@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:e     > If you look atG > the new HP superdome servers, do you think those are gonna run iVMS ?a  A         Hopefully that is not happening.  Careful using "new" andlB 	SuperDome.  It rolled out Sept. 2001.  Thankfully, production VMS9 	on Itanium is a click or two out.  Monticeto it appears.   ) > No. VMS just does not scale up enough. e  : 	That's debatable.  Futures show VMS to run SSI > 32 CPUs.< 	Apparently a bit mask ?  limits it to 32 CPUs.  To indicate; 	things are heading that way, much lock cleanup/retrofit innB 	7.3-1 to help scale in that direction.  But you aren't interested; 	in any of this.  From your drone you have little knowledged 	about VMS.   L > It will end to small 1-4-way SMP servers or Hyperthreaded 1-2 CPU servers L > that will serve that last application that people are not able to convert.   	yawn/   				Robu   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 10:58:05 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)e" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death= Message-ID: <734da31c.0305210958.397198d0@posting.google.com>e  * First, the 400.000, is systems, not users.  % HP does not pay Oracle for iVMS port. E Oracle on the other hand do charge a lot of money from VMS customers.i  # VMS scales very good on 32-way EV7.   D There are people who dream, and think VMS is the only thing. Most ofE us on the other hand are just happy users who use VMS because we knowr the strengths of VMS.i   /David   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 05:32:28 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)oY Subject: Press Release - AppMind(tm) OpenVMS(tm) Agent for HP OpenView Operations versions= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305210432.5fe871d1@posting.google.com>   E Received this press release from one of our partners this morning andi passing it along.m  
 Warm Regards,i Suea     -----Original Message-----5 From: News@Appmind Software [mailto:news@appmind.com] % Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:57 AMy To: Skonetski, SusanA Subject: Release of AppMind(tm) OpenVMS(tm) Agent for HP OpenViewi Operations version 3.4     Stockholm 21 MAY 2003c    E Version 3.4 of AppMind(tm)OpenVMS(tm)Agent for HP OpenView Operationsa version is now available.g       ' New functionalities in version 3.4 are:s  &       Over 100 new metrics to monitor  @       Seamless integration with HP OpenView Performance Manager  $       Expected Agents functionality  $       Queue- and Cluster monitoring  D AppMind(tm)OpenVMS(tm)Agent allows you to integrate OpenVMS into theF HP OpenView managed domains, providing a more comprehensive managementF solution. The information from the OpenVMS environment is displayed on> the central OpenView Operations console providing you control,A monitoring and reports on the health of all parts of your managed  environment.  M  ? To download the evaluation license of version 3.4, please go toe/ http://www.appmind.com/openvms_sma to register.       b --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   About Appmind Software AB F Appmind Software AB develops and markets the software AppMind(tm). TheB AppMind(tm)software is the very latest in application surveillance= technology. More open and flexible than any other applicationrD surveillance software, AppMind(tm)extends today's industry standardsA and makes them more powerful and useful. AppMind(tm)is a completeeE solution for application surveillance, offering a suite of tools thatp? enhance the quality and increase the availability of a softwareoE product throughout its lifetime. Today AppMind(tm)supports all commons? development environments such as Java, C/C++ and .NET . It alsoi- supports industry standards as JMX and Log4J.c, For more informations visit www.appmind.com.; Appmind Software is a subsidiary to OM AB(publ.) www.om.comE   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:30:11 +0100e0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>- Subject: Re: prod install hung - help please!S+ Message-ID: <3ECB3913.4080308@sorry.nospam>e    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:i > In article <badddl$hn4$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:s > < >>Doing an install of the latest DFU 2.7-a on Alpha VMS 7.3.9 >>It ran rapidly to 90% complete, then hung in LEF state. G >>I tried control/C, and it warned me of dire consequences if I didn't t >>continue.y >>G >>Anyone know how to unhang it, or diagnose what's wrong, or anything ?f
 >>Please ? >  > I > Like I wrote in the other (DFU) thread, I had this once or twice happenoK > and it was a problem with limited process resources during the ISV phase..: > But I must admit, it was not during installation of DFU, > L > My suggestions is to use AMDS/AVAIL_MAN to look for the problematic quotas2 > and to also be able to increase them on the fly. >    Don't have AMDS installed.E Looked at the quotas of the offending process with a DCL procedure I   have: all appear OK.  F PID 202819D2 prc SYSTEM user SYSTEM node EQUUS 21-MAY-2003 09:25:00.249 Image: $2$DKB100:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]PCSI$MAIN.EXE;1 1 EQUUS   AST BIO    Byt DIO  Enq Fil   Page TQ Prcc1 Limit   250 150 165136 150 3072 300 300000 50  20o1 Avail   247 150 165136 150 3072 297 292160 50  20tH WSsz = 12944 quo = 16288 ext = 2000000 pk = 8528 auth = 16288 authext =  2000000gH Login: 20-MAY-2003 09:02:36.96; CPU time 1.96; VirtPeak = 175200; WSdef  = 8144   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:28:40 GMTo2 From: Scott.J.Belviso@grc.nasa.gov (Scott Belviso) Subject: Re: RUN /DETACHED6 Message-ID: <3eca3b95.524227671@newsread.grc.nasa.gov>  C The only thing I can add is to run accounting to see what the finala status of the process is:i   $ account/id=<pid>/fulln  = Also,  make sure you put 'set verify' in your my_dcl_file.coma   Scott   A On 20 May 2003 05:48:27 -0700, fmattison@ssd5.nrl.navy.mil (Frankn Mattison) wrotE:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:31:26 +0100mO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>e< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!0 Message-ID: <bafo2i$o5v$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:bad3fm$nan$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...u >  >>Bill Todd wrote: >>& >>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" >>) > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>c > > >>>wrote in message news:baaap6$knu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >>>o >>>t >>>>Bill Todd wrote: >>>> >>>>( >>>>>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" >>>>* >>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> >>>u@ >>>>>wrote in message news:ba359d$6at$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >>>>>  >>>>>... >>>>>i >>>>>g >>>>>c >>>>>e4 >>>>>>Umm IBM has announced 1.7 GHz power 4 systems. >>>>>>- >>>>>>They are shipping them later this year.m >>>>>y >>>>>a >>>>>Try later this month: >>>>>y >>>>>t >>>>N > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/news/pressreleases/2003/may/ann >  >>>>>c_506.htmln >>>>>o >>>>>- bill  >>>>>r >>>>>o >>>>>r >>>>J >>>>Its probably the 1.5 GHz CPU, IBM's TPC-C submission says that the 1.7. >>>>GHz systems will be available in November. >>>i >>>tJ >>>Post-dating benchmark availability dates is hardly an unusual practice: >> > it > K >>>minimizes the embarrassing possibility that some unexpected introductiono, >>>delay will render the submission invalid. >>> J >>>Had you bothered actually to read the reference I provided (novel idea,I >>>that), you'd have seen the explicit statement at the end that both 1.5l >> > andu > G >>>1.7 GHz processors are scheduled to be available in the p655 in latee >> > July.t > I >>>The new p690 models are slated to become available earlier (May 30th),n >> > ands > G >>>while the availability statement is not equally explicit there's thed >> > strong > H >>>suggestion that both the 1.5 and the 1.7 GHz processors will be right >> > therei > 
 >>>with them.r >>>  >>B >>Since I was refering to the P690 not the P655 you seem to be the% >>person who didn't read the posting.  >  > L > Not only did I read it, I quoted it - and it's still right there up at theL > top for you to check:  no mention whatsoever of p690, just the unqualifiedN > statement "Umm IBM has announced 1.7 GHz power 4 systems.  They are shipping > them later this year." >   C However the unqualified statement is 100% correct. IBM are shippingg5 1.7 GHZ systems later this year in all their systems.p  H And even the ones that will ship earliest iin the P655 which is an 8 wayD system will only initially support 4 x 1.7 GHz CPU's when they ship.  L > And if you care to check the surrounding verbiage in your original postingN > you'll not find any qualification there, either - nor was the cited InquirerM > article in the post to which you responded p690-specific.  You only brought1E > up the p690 when you attempted to *substantiate* your original, andcM > erroneous, suggestion that the 1.7 GHz POWER4+ would not soon be available.a >   ? Well apart from posting a P690 SPECrate number with 32 CPU's nos- I didn't make any reference at all to P690's.l  B To my knowledge IBM's only 32 way system is the P690 which removes? any possibility that you could have been confusing it with somet other IBM product.  > And of course the Inquirer article wan't P690 specific, it was< CPU and not system specific which is precisely why it wasn't) worth worth the bits used to transmit it.   = Did you actually read my response ?? The whole point of whichp> was that posting single CPU performance numbers for processors> that are designed to run in large SMP systems is a total waste6 of time and simply serves to misslead people like Bob.  J > So whatever you may claim that you meant to say, my response to what youM > actually *did* say was appropriate:  the only remaining question is whethereD > you'll have the grace (or the intelligence) to shut up rather than; > continuing to attempt to spin your way out of your error.e >   / Humm, being rude doesn't enhance your argument.r  = Its quite clear in my posting that I was refering to the P6908? it is also quite clear from your posting that you have confused-& marketing fluff from IBM with reality.  ? Thats a shame because neither errors are typical of your normali posts.   regardsj Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:36:05 GMTn2 From: "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us>" Subject: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit1 Message-ID: <VVNya.28$gY1.3694@news-west.eli.net>,  H I get error SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV when entering the following interactive DCL:   $ submit/noprint testsub.com? Job TESTSUB (queue JUNK_BATCH, entry 715) started on JUNK_BATCH  $ sh entry/ful 715/ Entry  Jobname       Username    Blocks  Status/9 ------  ----------       -----------    --------  ------- 8 715    TESTSUB    OPERATOR             Retained on errorC     %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationpC     -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationM:     -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, no privilege for attempted operation  K I did a SET PROCESS/PRIV=BYPASS and SET PROCESS/PRIV=CMKRNL but continue to  get this error.   K (The job testsub.com runs successfully from batch when submitted by anothere	 account.)r   $ show proc/priv   Process privileges:t/  CMKRNL               may change mode to kernelH=  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name tablet<  GRPNAM               may insert in group logical name table3  DETACH               may create detached processese>  GROUP                may affect other processes in same group2  PRMMBX               may create permanent mailbox2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox4  MOUNT                may execute mount acp function4  OPER                 may perform operator functions/  NETMBX               may create network device.)  PHY_IO               may do physical i/o,;  BYPASS               may bypass all object access controlsa4  READALL              may read anything as the owner   Process rights:H  INTERACTIVE  REMOTEs   System rights:  SYS$NODE_JUNK  G Anyone have a clue why this error occurs when submitting jobs from thiss particular account?    TIA, Frank Browne Seattle Fire Dept. http://www.inwa.net/~frog/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:26:45 -0500i< From: "La Roche, Michael" <mlaroche@allsaintshealthcare.org>& Subject: RE: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit] Message-ID: <F2D18855B95D6942BD315C5A8F141A0E035A6B6B@as-exchange-01.allsaintshealthcare.org>o   Frank,K Have you checked the user account in the UAF for privleges?  Also check thev8 security on the file itself via dir/security testsub.com Mike                                 __ol                           \<                       (@)/(@)i3  o------------------------------------------------on- { Michael J. La Roche - Sr. Systems Analyst }p3 { All Saints Healthcare System, Inc.              }i6 { 1320 Wisconsin Avenue                              }: { Racine, WI  53403                                      }; { V:  262-687-7741                                        }i; { F:  262-687-5595                                        }n0 { E:  mlaroche@allsaintshealthcare.org         }5  o--------------------------------------------------ow    < "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity." Jonnie Nunez         > -----Original Message-----7 > From:	frank brown [SMTP:frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us] ( > Sent:	Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:36 AM > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn$ > Subject:	SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit > J > I get error SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV when entering the following interactive DCL: >  > $ submit/noprint testsub.comA > Job TESTSUB (queue JUNK_BATCH, entry 715) started on JUNK_BATCHt > $ sh entry/ful 7151 > Entry  Jobname       Username    Blocks  Statust; > ------  ----------       -----------    --------  --------: > 715    TESTSUB    OPERATOR             Retained on errorE >     %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation-E >     -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violatione< >     -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, no privilege for attempted operation > J > I did a SET PROCESS/PRIV=BYPASS and SET PROCESS/PRIV=CMKRNL but continue > to > get this error.s > E > (The job testsub.com runs successfully from batch when submitted bye	 > another  > account.)s >  > $ show proc/priv >  > Process privileges:o1 >  CMKRNL               may change mode to kernel ? >  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name tablen> >  GRPNAM               may insert in group logical name table5 >  DETACH               may create detached processes @ >  GROUP                may affect other processes in same group4 >  PRMMBX               may create permanent mailbox4 >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox6 >  MOUNT                may execute mount acp function6 >  OPER                 may perform operator functions1 >  NETMBX               may create network device9+ >  PHY_IO               may do physical i/o = >  BYPASS               may bypass all object access controls 6 >  READALL              may read anything as the owner >  > Process rights:t >  INTERACTIVE	 >  REMOTE  >  > System rights: >  SYS$NODE_JUNK > I > Anyone have a clue why this error occurs when submitting jobs from thisa > particular account?c >  > TIA,
 > Frank Brownc > Seattle Fire Dept. > http://www.inwa.net/~frog/ >  >  > @ This message, and any attachment, is privileged and confidentialF information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee and AllE Saints Healthcare. If you are not the intended recipient, immediatelygI destroy this message and notify the sender of the error. Please note that.L any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this messageC is prohibited. All Saints Healthcare does not endorse any opinions,9L conclusions or other information contained within this message that does not pertain to official business.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:30:47 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit& Message-ID: <3ECBB7C7.6040509@Free.fr>  F add a $ set verify and post the sys$login:testsub.log if there is any.   D. Happiness is doing VMS support     frank brown wrote:J > I get error SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV when entering the following interactive DCL= :  >=20 > $ submit/noprint testsub.comA > Job TESTSUB (queue JUNK_BATCH, entry 715) started on JUNK_BATCHn > $ sh entry/ful 7151 > Entry  Jobname       Username    Blocks  Statusc; > ------  ----------       -----------    --------  -------.: > 715    TESTSUB    OPERATOR             Retained on errorE >     %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation E >     -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation@< >     -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, no privilege for attempted operation >=20J > I did a SET PROCESS/PRIV=3DBYPASS and SET PROCESS/PRIV=3DCMKRNL but con= tinue to > get this error.  >=20J > (The job testsub.com runs successfully from batch when submitted by ano= ther > account.)e >=20 > $ show proc/priv >=20 > Process privileges: 1 >  CMKRNL               may change mode to kernel ? >  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name tablee> >  GRPNAM               may insert in group logical name table5 >  DETACH               may create detached processess@ >  GROUP                may affect other processes in same group4 >  PRMMBX               may create permanent mailbox4 >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox6 >  MOUNT                may execute mount acp function6 >  OPER                 may perform operator functions1 >  NETMBX               may create network devicei+ >  PHY_IO               may do physical i/oo= >  BYPASS               may bypass all object access controlsa6 >  READALL              may read anything as the owner >=20 > Process rights:d >  INTERACTIVE	 >  REMOTEo >=20 > System rights: >  SYS$NODE_JUNK >=20J > Anyone have a clue why this error occurs when submitting jobs from this=   > particular account?- >=20 > TIA,
 > Frank Brown  > Seattle Fire Dept. > http://www.inwa.net/~frog/ >=20 >=20       --=20.,    -----------------------------------------+ Sector7 - The Application Rehosting Factorym+ 19 chemin de la Butte 31400 Toulouse Francee- T=E9l: 33(0)5 6120 1964 Fax: 33(0)5 6154 1928s%          http://www.sector7france.com8+ -------------------------------------------m   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:40:30 +0000 (UTC)e+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) : Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report+ Message-ID: <bafl2u$1c0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>n  V In article <3ECAE919.25AD972E@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:D >Ok, some far fetched ideas (which should come to no surprise here). >BI >Years ago, many IBM execs bought IBM's PC manufacturing plant and formeds% >Celestica (if I remember correctly).o >mF >*IF/when* HP gives up on VMS, could the VMS engineers and some of theL >management who are loyal to VMS buy VMS and form "SharkVMS INC." (or plc orG >corp) and handle VMS the same way Mentec handled the PDP-11 products ?t >eH When HP took over Compaq and announced the end of MPE I dipped into the @ comp.sys.hp.mpe newsgroup and they were discussing exactly that.N Either being able to take over MPE or to get it open sourced so that it could ( be continued as a public domain product.J HPs attitude at that time was extremely negative to the idea - they wantedM people to migrate to HP-UX and didn't want to leave any possibility for those  users to stick with MPE.M Hence I wouldn't think there would be much chance of anyone either purchasingIG VMS from HP or HP open sourcing it if they decided to stop development.n  J (I must confess I haven't checked on comp.sys.hp.mpe recently so cannot be/ totally sure that HPs position hasn't changed.)e    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    H >I realise that such a company would initially lose on some of the largeK >"mission critical" shops who may not want to do business with such a small O >outfit, but given enough time, couldn' that be rebuilt ?  (or simply outsource  >the support to HP or IBM. >oK >Imagine SharkVMS Inc. without any restrictions on marketing, able to blastgI >Microsoft without any limits, and able to ridicule clustering from other/
 >vendors ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:31:06 GMTR# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status reportJ Message-ID: <K4Mya.223521$w7k.142187@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 "David Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message% news:bafl2u$1c0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...g4 > In article <3ECAE919.25AD972E@istop.com>, JF Mezei# <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: F > >Ok, some far fetched ideas (which should come to no surprise here). > >eD > >Years ago, many IBM execs bought IBM's PC manufacturing plant and formed' > >Celestica (if I remember correctly).n > >tD > >*IF/when* HP gives up on VMS, could the VMS engineers and some of thelC > >management who are loyal to VMS buy VMS and form "SharkVMS INC."-
 (or plc or> > >corp) and handle VMS the same way Mentec handled the PDP-11
 products ? > >BE > When HP took over Compaq and announced the end of MPE I dipped intoM theIB > comp.sys.hp.mpe newsgroup and they were discussing exactly that.F > Either being able to take over MPE or to get it open sourced so that it could* > be continued as a public domain product.E > HPs attitude at that time was extremely negative to the idea - theya wantedE > people to migrate to HP-UX and didn't want to leave any possibilityr	 for thosen > users to stick with MPE.D > Hence I wouldn't think there would be much chance of anyone either
 purchasing< > VMS from HP or HP open sourcing it if they decided to stop development. >nB > (I must confess I haven't checked on comp.sys.hp.mpe recently so	 cannot beo1 > totally sure that HPs position hasn't changed.)s    F It wouldn't....in fact their attitude about VMS probably would be evenC sterner as VMS is a credible threat to anything they could offer ino, any market space, providing it was marketed.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:31:09 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status reportI Message-ID: <N4Mya.223522$w7k.73120@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3ECAE4E5.2BB696C5@fsi.net...- > John Smith wrote:e > > D > > > I just wanted to let everyone here know that I will be keeping you: > > allPF > > > informed on a weekly basis, or sooner, of any responses received > > from4 > > > carly and her minions, or Marcello, or Gorham. > >3E > > Just following up at about 6 weeks....still no response from HP -r > > other than' > > from Sue and carly's autoresponder.  >h/ > You were expecting, maybe, Huckleberry Hound?>     carly, Larry, and Moe?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:05:47 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?nJ Message-ID: <%ILya.223333$w7k.117367@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ' ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr""e1 <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote in message 0 news:00A2027A.5A879727@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU... > In articleE <%Xvya.214085$w7k.188486@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Johne Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:o4 > >http://opensource.hp.com/opensource_projects.html > >hC > >Can anyone point me to the equivalent link for HP sponsorship of  > >similar efforts for VMS?a >vE > I don't know about sponsorship, but VMS Engineering (part of HP) ist doing,F > maintaining, and feeding back changes of ports to various OpenSource things,  > including Apache and STunnel.     0 I'm aware of, and appreciative of those efforts.  F It's the difference in 'publicity' that I was alluding to. HP goes outE of its way to make sure that the world  (if posting on a web page can @ be considered 'advertising') knows of their efforts in the linux@ space...... HP sponsors this, HP supports that, HP is making theF effort to push linux forward...we're the linux 'good-guys'...buy linux from us on HP hardware.i  A Marketing 101 concepts. But VMS doesn't even rate Marketing 0.07b  concepts from HP.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 05:47:07 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"r= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305210447.76d3da57@posting.google.com>a  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3ECAF6AD.2C41DD6D@istop.com>...  > L > Look at it from HP's point of view. They are measured in market share in 2P > markets: wintel crap stuff, and unix.  HP would rather sell a unix system thanK > a VMS system even iof the VMS system is more profitable because the unicx3> > system helps improve HP's standings in the unix marketplace. > N > This is why I could understand the concept of giving HP-UX a "VMS shell" andJ > then converting VMS customers to HP-UX with some VMS shell running their > legacy code. > X > If HP were to push VMS and grow VMS, HP-UX would lose some market share in the "unix". > I > Perhaps the root problem is how carly and HP are measured. It should benN > changed such that a VMS sale would enhance HP's standing in the industry and> > on Wall Street. Right now, only wintel and unix sales count.  @ well I can't understand who would want to run a vms shell on top@ of a garbage os like unix and inherit all the CERT bugs and lose? VMS security? No, VMS already has a shell for unix, you have it  it backwards ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:15:08 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>09 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?" I Message-ID: <MRLya.223393$w7k.73657@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageo# news:3ECAF6AD.2C41DD6D@istop.com...t ...t <major snip>  C > If HP were to push VMS and grow VMS, HP-UX would lose some markett share in the "unix". >eF > Perhaps the root problem is how carly and HP are measured. It should beA > changed such that a VMS sale would enhance HP's standing in theh industry and> > on Wall Street. Right now, only wintel and unix sales count.  . Unfortunately that's how the 'game' is played.  B HP should be smart enough to know that it's a whole lot easier forE customers to move from HP-UX to Solaris or AIX or linux or Windows oncE other gear other than HP's. The choices for VMS customers are, dare I F say it, less bountiful. But the choice of VMS is often a bigger bottomF line win for the customer than those other o/s'es once uptime and lostE business issues are factored in, and certainly a better win for HP asi well.o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.280 ************************