1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 22 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 281       Contents: Re: Atten John Smith Re: Atten John Smith1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here " Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #2 DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #2D DECUS Lyon 2002 (was: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here)H Re: DECUS Lyon 2002 (was: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here)( DHCP GUI still crashes , TCPIP 5.3 ECO 2 Re: Disk drive problems * Drivers and Utilities for Digital printers" Re: Finding out if TCPIP is in use$ Re: Gartners crystal ball craked ...$ Re: General Printer on LAN questions$ Re: General Printer on LAN questions$ Re: General Printer on LAN questions$ Re: General Printer on LAN questions GOTHPR
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 Re: HTTP POST # Re: Hyperthreading to save itanium? * Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS usersP Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or sellP Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or P Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or P Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or P Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or " Link state routing on VMS, how ???  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A@ Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down! Re: OpenVMS and TomCat 4.1.24 P Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST  Itanium(P Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(tP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tmP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: RDB v?:  ODBC??? Re: RDB v?:  ODBC??? Re: RDB v?:  ODBC??? Re: RDB v?:  ODBC??? Reading an ASCII File  Re: Reading an ASCII File  Re: Reading an ASCII File  Re: Reading an ASCII File  Re: Reading an ASCII File ! Re: SHOW PROCESS bug on VMS 7.2-2 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! ' system fan failure in Alphaserver 4100.  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit  VAX/VMS Emulation  Re: VAX/VMS Emulation  Re: VAX/VMS Emulation  Re: VAX/VMS Emulation  Re: VAX/VMS Emulation  Re: VAX/VMS Emulation 1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report 1 Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report 2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?? Why subtract 2 from the exponent in G_float to IEEE conversion? C Re: Why subtract 2 from the exponent in G_float to IEEE conversion?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:58:00 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Atten John Smith ) Message-ID: <3ECBCC33.C111C9F7@istop.com>    Question to Sue:  J Does the Digit "John Smith" intend to contribute to comp.os.vms ? If so, IJ could see a valid reason to get "our" John Smith to chage his nom-de-plumeD since having 2 John Smiths on the same newsgroup would be confusing.  : And to John Smith,  could you email me privately  please ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:23:16 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Atten John Smith I Message-ID: <EoXya.227198$w7k.45866@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3ECBCC33.C111C9F7@istop.com...  > Question to Sue: > F > Does the Digit "John Smith" intend to contribute to comp.os.vms ? If so, I ? > could see a valid reason to get "our" John Smith to chage his  nom-de-plumeF > since having 2 John Smiths on the same newsgroup would be confusing. > < > And to John Smith,  could you email me privately  please ?   Done...to istop account.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:47:06 +0200 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> : Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here5 Message-ID: <baghja$sovcn$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>    Didier,   L you are obviously an excellent photographer because you were able to captureI precisely the spirit of the event. In one word: misery. The only positive I thing that I can think of is that the name VMS popped up in presentations  that I least expected to. H The first DECUS I attended happened to be in Amsterdam too, 1984?. It isK quite depressing to see how this show turned out. Some questions about Lyon 
 last year:6 - how was the attendance (size) compared to Amsterdam?4 - how many sessions (compared to the 80 we had now)?   Hans  C "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> schreef in bericht   news:3ECB7F20.2040207@Free.fr...' > http://didiermorandi.nerim.net/decus/ ' > (rough amateur flashless pictures...)  >  > 1429 Cycles is an issue F > 1430 T. S. posting his article to the Inquirer before writing it :-)H > 1431 The audience in the main Auditorium before HP R.M.'s presentation (P95)  > 1432 "% > 1435 Presentation is about to start  > 1437 many free seatsB > 1439 R.M. (with the same black Lacoste than in Lyon last year ?)' > 1440 A Day in the life of the HP user  > 1441 Q&A (P94) > 1442 "! > 1444 M.G.'s presentation (P137) J > 1445 An amazing (c) DTL picture of Pdt/CEO Carly Fiorina on VMS (at last !...) I > 1447 T. S. from SKHP about to read his mail (picture courtesy DTL Inc.) E >       (PS: Swiss DECUS members will recognize the man behind: their  charman.G > 1448 DTL from DTL Inc. saying "Hello Computer" (picture courtesy SKHP  Inc.) F >       (PS: no, it was not at 5 am, yes it was in the main Conference Center hall)> > 1450 HP Y.P. hypnotizing her assistance on TCP/IP V5.4 (P69) > 1453 hypnotized assistance > 1454 " > 1455 "L > 1458 The audience before Intel's Talk on how the future is exciting (P242)3 >       (PS: some seats folded to decrease vertigo)  > 1459 Intel's presentation  > 1460 main show room / > 1461 the (useless) famous DECUS message board  > 1462 HP booth  > 1463 " > 1464 " > 1465 "< > 1466 HP Ch.M. explaining to HP C.B. how to boot on Itanium > 1467 The End > = > These pictutes are not copyrighted in any way. Feel free to  get/copy/forward. I > In case the anonymousity (SP???) of them is not inuf guaranteed, please  let me$ > know and I'll remove them at once. > > > Presentation codes are from the official HP-INTEREX program. >  > D. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:46:04 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>: Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here, Message-ID: <3ecbcd20$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  J go to http://www.minostudio.com/ and download 'Gallery' it's freeware that, will make thumbnails and create an html pageK with those thumbnails and 'clicks' for the full size images. It's fast etc. 2 makes these sorts of picture lists easy to view...    A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3ECB7F20.2040207@Free.fr...' > http://didiermorandi.nerim.net/decus/ ' > (rough amateur flashless pictures...)  >  > 1429 Cycles is an issue F > 1430 T. S. posting his article to the Inquirer before writing it :-)H > 1431 The audience in the main Auditorium before HP R.M.'s presentation (P95)  > 1432 "% > 1435 Presentation is about to start  > 1437 many free seatsB > 1439 R.M. (with the same black Lacoste than in Lyon last year ?)' > 1440 A Day in the life of the HP user  > 1441 Q&A (P94) > 1442 "! > 1444 M.G.'s presentation (P137) J > 1445 An amazing (c) DTL picture of Pdt/CEO Carly Fiorina on VMS (at last !...) I > 1447 T. S. from SKHP about to read his mail (picture courtesy DTL Inc.) E >       (PS: Swiss DECUS members will recognize the man behind: their  charman.G > 1448 DTL from DTL Inc. saying "Hello Computer" (picture courtesy SKHP  Inc.) F >       (PS: no, it was not at 5 am, yes it was in the main Conference Center hall)> > 1450 HP Y.P. hypnotizing her assistance on TCP/IP V5.4 (P69) > 1453 hypnotized assistance > 1454 " > 1455 "L > 1458 The audience before Intel's Talk on how the future is exciting (P242)3 >       (PS: some seats folded to decrease vertigo)  > 1459 Intel's presentation  > 1460 main show room / > 1461 the (useless) famous DECUS message board  > 1462 HP booth  > 1463 " > 1464 " > 1465 "< > 1466 HP Ch.M. explaining to HP C.B. how to boot on Itanium > 1467 The End > = > These pictutes are not copyrighted in any way. Feel free to  get/copy/forward. I > In case the anonymousity (SP???) of them is not inuf guaranteed, please  let me$ > know and I'll remove them at once. > > > Presentation codes are from the official HP-INTEREX program. >  > D. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:45:45 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>: Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here& Message-ID: <3ECBD769.3000909@Free.fr>   VAXman- wrote:] > In article <3ecbcd20$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes:  > L >>go to http://www.minostudio.com/ and download 'Gallery' it's freeware that. >>will make thumbnails and create an html pageM >>with those thumbnails and 'clicks' for the full size images. It's fast etc. 4 >>makes these sorts of picture lists easy to view... >  > - > ... and there's a version for VMS?  ...not.  > - > Stop pushing WillyWarez here in comp.os.vms   0 Hang on! There is room for a VMS dev? I take it.K Version X0.0-0 of showmethatpictures.com is expected to reach beta-testers   around Q2CY2003... :-)   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:10:00 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>: Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here& Message-ID: <3ECBCF08.3020801@Free.fr>   warren sander wrote:L > go to http://www.minostudio.com/ and download 'Gallery' it's freeware that. > will make thumbnails and create an html pageM > with those thumbnails and 'clicks' for the full size images. It's fast etc. 4 > makes these sorts of picture lists easy to view... >     P Thanks, will do. Actually I have this feature with ACDSee on my iMac 400 but my P new Presario 1,5 GHz with 756 Mo RAM is so faster that I have some difficulties H to use my beloved iMac again. Will I go to the dark side of the Force???   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:41:36 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here0 Message-ID: <00A20337.EDABEB5A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <3ecbcd20$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: K >go to http://www.minostudio.com/ and download 'Gallery' it's freeware that - >will make thumbnails and create an html page L >with those thumbnails and 'clicks' for the full size images. It's fast etc.3 >makes these sorts of picture lists easy to view...   + ... and there's a version for VMS?  ...not.   + Stop pushing WillyWarez here in comp.os.vms    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:14:41 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are hereI Message-ID: <R6Rya.204238$M81.22675@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3ECBCF08.3020801@Free.fr... > warren sander wrote:@ > > go to http://www.minostudio.com/ and download 'Gallery' it's
 freeware that 0 > > will make thumbnails and create an html pageE > > with those thumbnails and 'clicks' for the full size images. It's 	 fast etc. 6 > > makes these sorts of picture lists easy to view... > >  >  > F > Thanks, will do. Actually I have this feature with ACDSee on my iMac
 400 but myD > new Presario 1,5 GHz with 756 Mo RAM is so faster that I have some difficultiesA > to use my beloved iMac again. Will I go to the dark side of the  Force???  B Don't do it!!!!! Be noble and pure of heart. All Windows on a fast+ computer means is that you'll crash faster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:08:02 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>: Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here, Message-ID: <3ecbee66$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  . I think you could do it with XV and some dcl..   -warren   A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3ECBD769.3000909@Free.fr... > VAXman- wrote:@ > > In article <3ecbcd20$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: > > I > >>go to http://www.minostudio.com/ and download 'Gallery' it's freeware  that0 > >>will make thumbnails and create an html pageJ > >>with those thumbnails and 'clicks' for the full size images. It's fast etc.6 > >>makes these sorts of picture lists easy to view... > >  > > / > > ... and there's a version for VMS?  ...not.  > > / > > Stop pushing WillyWarez here in comp.os.vms  > 2 > Hang on! There is room for a VMS dev? I take it.L > Version X0.0-0 of showmethatpictures.com is expected to reach beta-testers > around Q2CY2003... :-) >  > D. >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 17:07:38 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305211607.28ed9a09@posting.google.com>   r "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in message news:<Asrya.42051$Lm2.3069279@twister.southeast.rr.com>...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > news:VNpya.192767$M81.141061@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >>  I > > "We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio to Itanium ? > > and will provide new tools and services to assist customers $ > > who desire to migrate to HP-UX." > >  > > J > > The conjunction "and" tells any English major that what follows refersE > > to the statement immediately prior to the "and". The inference is 
 > > clear. > L > I can't help but think of Bill Clinton wanting to know what the definition
 > of "is" is.  > 4 > This expands the definition of "and" and "desire." > F > We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio to ItaniumJ > together with or along with; in addition to; as well as will provide newN > tools and services to assist customers who wish or long for; want; express a1 > wish for; request a desire to migrate to HP-UX.  >  > Ken   ? vms customers have no desire to leave the best os on the planet = for garbage unix ... so they will just be wasting their money ' on these useless tools and services ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:36:29 GMT 2 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 > Message-ID: <NIWya.43936$Lm2.3346809@twister.southeast.rr.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0305211607.28ed9a09@posting.google.com... 9 > "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in message : news:<Asrya.42051$Lm2.3069279@twister.southeast.rr.com>...2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageH > > news:VNpya.192767$M81.141061@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >>K > > > "We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio to Itanium A > > > and will provide new tools and services to assist customers & > > > who desire to migrate to HP-UX." > > >  > > > L > > > The conjunction "and" tells any English major that what follows refersG > > > to the statement immediately prior to the "and". The inference is  > > > clear. > > C > > I can't help but think of Bill Clinton wanting to know what the 
 definition > > of "is" is.  > > 6 > > This expands the definition of "and" and "desire." > > H > > We will also migrate our hp OpenVMS application portfolio to ItaniumL > > together with or along with; in addition to; as well as will provide newF > > tools and services to assist customers who wish or long for; want;	 express a 3 > > wish for; request a desire to migrate to HP-UX.  > >  > > Ken  > A > vms customers have no desire to leave the best os on the planet ? > for garbage unix ... so they will just be wasting their money ) > on these useless tools and services ...   D You think I am?  That was a stab it Bill Clinton as a joke more than	 anything.   H You guys are getting a bit punchy.  Be careful not to swing at the wrong% people in your highly agitated state.   1 Let's end this wasted thread here and now please.    -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:27:28 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #2 H Message-ID: <QiRya.204246$M81.3908@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3ECBDEB3.4070600@Free.fr... > C > Annoucement: Early Adopters Kit for TCP/IP 5.4 available. Contact 
 your local7 > salesrep. 100 first will win an iPalm64/VMS handheld.   
 If only.  ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:16:51 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>' Subject: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #2 & Message-ID: <3ECBDEB3.4070600@Free.fr>   Hi from Toulouse,    Day two started with rain.  Q I arrived in the RAI Konferenz Zentrum to read my mail at 09:01. Coffee was 1,50  L euros (1.5 US$). I said "what'sa kinda joke ?", barman said "wuz free until  09:00, HP instructions".  > Intel session: boring and nobody in the auditorium (or nearly)H see program at http://www.hp-interex.org/conference2003/sag_tuesday.html  M 10:30 P69, TCP/IP 5.4. Yanick Pouffary has been amazing (as usual). Who said  N "normal, VMS Engineering" ? This FAILsafe IP feature is just lovely. (Yanick, T next time you need an assistant to fix your slides projector, drop me an email, ok?)  M Annoucement: Early Adopters Kit for TCP/IP 5.4 available. Contact your local  5 salesrep. 100 first will win an iPalm64/VMS handheld.   : 12:00 vendors presentation. I skipped. Shot some pictures.  P 12:30 Lunch with Terry Shannon who attend that Grid Computing conference. Looks Q interesting. Went to the dining-hall (orange juice and milk :-( Asked me to sign  J an NDA, then told me what he did for three days in ZK03 (those who do not + understand do not need to understand... :-) = (joke. I did NOT sign a NDA and he did NOT tell me anything).   N 13:00 OpenVMS V7.x Network Administration exam (by external vendor whose name 3 does not appear on the form). Missed by 3.5 points.   Q Without any preparation nor rtfm, I had, in 23 minutes (among 75), the following   good answers (69 questions):  D 77.8% to convert Customer requirements to feasible functional config/ 73.3% in Troubleshooting, Connectivity and Perf   55.6% in Installation and configH 54.5% in Integrate Network protocols and applications on OpenVMS systemsN 40.0% in monitoring and optimization (course, with DECnet IV there is no need)P 40.0% in Interpret & Apply Terminology, Concepts and Theories (course, I do not ; care about that ***, I care about my Cus-to-mers pro-blems!   < 14:00 boring: I read Wladimir Wolkoff's last book: The Plot.Q 15:00 time to leave to the airport. Too bad. I missed Gaitan d'Antoni, Christian  9 Moser and Terry Shannon closing session (actually today).   J See you in November in Nashua's Sheraton Tara, friends (who will set up a  Noter's Party?)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:43:26 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>M Subject: DECUS Lyon 2002 (was: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here) & Message-ID: <3ECBD6DE.5040000@Free.fr>   Hans Vlems wrote:   J > The first DECUS I attended happened to be in Amsterdam too, 1984?. It isM > quite depressing to see how this show turned out. Some questions about Lyon  > last year:8 > - how was the attendance (size) compared to Amsterdam?6 > - how many sessions (compared to the 80 we had now)?  P My first DECUS was when I used to work at Dassault in 1982... I was a member of P the Board, in charge of the tape library. I then joined DEC in 1983 and quickly Q become the DECUS Rep. So many pleasures, so many friends, so many war stories...  N Then DECville 1985 in Cannes. Remember? Then DECville 1986 and DECUS the same 3 week, then DECworld... Melancoly, when you hold us!   P According to AssociationHQ, the organizers of both shows, there were a few more K participants and booths in Amsterdam than in Lyon. However, there were 125  L sessions last year (see http://www.decus.fr/ then click Symposium, sorry no  english page yet).  H My pictures (not HTMLed yet, sorry Warren) of DECUS Lyon 2002 are there:/ http://didiermorandi.nerim.net/decus_lyon_2002/   P As you see on the pictures, I had one booth last year (and two sales people) to P sell VAX/Alpha to IA64 migrations pre-analysis. First day: three visitors (only M because I had the 40 Years DIGITAL flag on my wall), second day, none, third  0 day, nobody in the show room but exhibitionists.   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:18:15 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Q Subject: Re: DECUS Lyon 2002 (was: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here) J Message-ID: <baRya.204243$M81.101389@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  A "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message   news:3ECBD6DE.5040000@Free.fr... > Hans Vlems wrote:  > F > > The first DECUS I attended happened to be in Amsterdam too, 1984?. It is D > > quite depressing to see how this show turned out. Some questions
 about Lyon > > last year:: > > - how was the attendance (size) compared to Amsterdam?8 > > - how many sessions (compared to the 80 we had now)? > E > My first DECUS was when I used to work at Dassault in 1982... I was  a member of E > the Board, in charge of the tape library. I then joined DEC in 1983  and quickly C > become the DECUS Rep. So many pleasures, so many friends, so many  war stories...F > Then DECville 1985 in Cannes. Remember? Then DECville 1986 and DECUS the same5 > week, then DECworld... Melancoly, when you hold us!  > F > According to AssociationHQ, the organizers of both shows, there were
 a few moreC > participants and booths in Amsterdam than in Lyon. However, there  were 125D > sessions last year (see http://www.decus.fr/ then click Symposium, sorry no > english page yet). > C > My pictures (not HTMLed yet, sorry Warren) of DECUS Lyon 2002 are  there:1 > http://didiermorandi.nerim.net/decus_lyon_2002/  > F > As you see on the pictures, I had one booth last year (and two sales
 people) toB > sell VAX/Alpha to IA64 migrations pre-analysis. First day: three visitors (onlyB > because I had the 40 Years DIGITAL flag on my wall), second day, none, third 2 > day, nobody in the show room but exhibitionists.    / If it wasn't so damn sad it would be laughable.   B How can Gorham and Marcello and everyone above them continue on as
 they have?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:30:15 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: DHCP GUI still crashes , TCPIP 5.3 ECO 2 ) Message-ID: <3ECBE1CD.665E097F@istop.com>   M Last november, I reported here that the TCPIP$DHCP_GUI configuration utility  N crashes on VAX whenever you try to enter a field that can have multiple values% (for instance, a list of DNS servers)   K This is to report that with the ECO 2 of TCPIP Services 5.3, the problem is @ still present. So you need to use the TCPIP 5.0 image to set theH configuration, but must use the 5.3 version to get the live image of the  running system (active IPs etc).  N Have not tested to see if setting a SLIP interface still crashes the vax as it+ did with 5.3 without ECOs (works with 5.0).   N Glad I kept my allmighty microvax II at 5.0. Perhaps the last "stable" version for VAX.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:24:45 GMT % From: "Neal Cline" <ngc@socal.rr.com>   Subject: Re: Disk drive problems: Message-ID: <1oQya.56670$6P6.1764457@twister.socal.rr.com>  * The Acard IDE-to-SCSI Bridge works great .1 We use the AEC-7720U ($59 at dirtcheapdrives.com)   @ The card attaches to the back of an IDE drive, but extends 1.25"A to one side of a 3.5" drive, making placement a problem in a 255. < I use them on the back of  IDE Mobile Docks which fit in the/ CDROM bay or outboard, making a cheap hot-plug.   5 "Javier Henderson" <javier@KJSL.COM> wrote in message ' news:86k7cl1p72.fsf@skylane.kjsl.com...  > Greetings, > K > I've an Alphastation 255/300, which has a couple of SCSI disk drives. One : > of them is starting to log hardware errors occasionally. > L > I also have an older Alphastation, with a PCI bus, currently unused. I wasL > wondering about IDE disk drive support under VMS. Can it be done? Is there, > a PCI bus IDE controller supported by VMS? > G > The theory is to migrate to the Alphastation with the PCI bus and IDE H > drives. This is all for personal use at home, so cost is an issue, andB > it seems that large IDE drives are way cheaper than SCSI drives. > 	 > Thanks.  >  > -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:56:59 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>3 Subject: Drivers and Utilities for Digital printers ) Message-ID: <3ECBF61A.890CE706@istop.com>   N Does anyone know where one can get the various drivers and utilities that came with Digital printers ?   K For instance, the documentation for the ethernet card for the DEClaser 5100 I mentions various utilities to setup the printer. (nssetup, NPmanage etc).   N The hp/compaq printer sites doesn't seem to contain anything about the DigitalI printers. Genicom doesn't have anything either. Have the digital printers & changed hands to yet another company ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:13:18 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>+ Subject: Re: Finding out if TCPIP is in use ) Message-ID: <3ECBC1BD.5DAC24C7@istop.com>    labadie wrote:E > some Dcl, as the following, but it should be modified to work fine.   K Thanks. I guess I have to go and use DCL and parse the output of a command. / Was just wondering if there was a easy routine.    ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 03 07:32:41 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) - Subject: Re: Gartners crystal ball craked ... ) Message-ID: <PbYXg9Q2AKmW@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <5+lgA5$a$7h8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: V > In article <3ECB3178.48E87EE5@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > H >> Perhaps the US is starting to see the analog to GSM revolution, whileK >> the peak may not have been reached yet, culminating in the switch-off of # >> the US analog cellphone network.  > I > I have had my analog cellphone since 1984 (I had IMTS some years before I > AMPS was developed), but if the analog service were no longer available $ > I am not sure I would get another. > H > They don't seem to even make newer cellphones with the features I have > for vehicle integration...  . Out of interest, what features would those be?   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 21 May 2003 16:21 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) - Subject: Re: General Printer on LAN questions - Message-ID: <21MAY200316214454@gerg.tamu.edu>   > Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de> writes... }JF Mezei schrieb:E }> OK, so I plugged in the ethernet card on my Declaser 5100 (LN09).   }>  Q }> Of course, this came with no documentation, and the DEClaser 5100 manuals that N }> came with the printer contain no doc on the the ethernet card. And it seems3 }> that manual isn't available on the net (is it ?)  }>  M }> I have tried changing the printer's IP address as per the many messages on O }> usenet with the ping method, but it has hailed. Perhaps I should contact the L }> previous onwer of the card (whois on the IP address reveals it is a large }> utility based in qubec :-) }>  P }> The appletalk on ethernet works fine. The mac saw the printer right away. ButO }> I have absolutely no idea how I could change the printer's name etc etc. Any  }> suggestions ? }>  N }> Can one telnet/lat to some management port on the printer ? I can telnet toN }> port 10001 and issue postscript commands. I have created an LTA device thatH }> points to the information provided by the status page and if I copy aK }> postscript file to that LTA port, it prints. But I have not been able to O }> connect to any management port. (not the NCP CONNECT NODE). The node name in F }> the printer is longer than 6 characters so I can't enter it in NCP.  8 There is no management port to telnet to, unfortunately.  H }> Also, is there a way to prevent the network status page from printing' }> everytime the printer is turned on ?   A There is some way of doing this, but I don't remember what it is.   F }If memory serves me right, you CANNOT change the IP adress of a 5100 ; }printer, once it has been setup using the ARP/PING method! ! }Karl Rohwedder		iT-Ingenieurteam   D You should be able to change it the very same way. I know because weF changed two of them when our IP address range changed a few years ago,E and I'm pretty sure both were changed via either the ping or the rarp  method.   I I do recall that it was not easy - they did not like to change when there H was a switch between the printer and the computer. I seem to recall thatI the change was done by directly connecting the printer to a PC's ethernet  port.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:06:43 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: General Printer on LAN questions ) Message-ID: <3ECC147A.BE19297B@istop.com>    Carl Perkins wrote: : > There is no management port to telnet to, unfortunately.  L There are 3 management utilities (Unix, novell and apple) that can setup theG printer. (of course, none on VMS). So there must be some way to set the  printer up via the network.   C > There is some way of doing this, but I don't remember what it is.   N Documentation states that setting the "no initial page" on the printer menu isU supposed to stop both the printer and NIC status pages.  Doesn't seem to work though.   F > You should be able to change it the very same way. I know because weH > changed two of them when our IP address range changed a few years ago,G > and I'm pretty sure both were changed via either the ping or the rarp 	 > method.     L I found some documentation tidbits. It states you have to do a cold reset ofJ the printer with the card in it for the card to get a total reset at which/ point the various methods are supposed to work.   L I would favour the BOOTP method since I can then supply the printer with itsK IP, net mask and default gateway, information the printer can't obtain with K just the ping method. But the Ping has failed so far, and even after a cold ) restart, the NIC retains its personality.   K > I do recall that it was not easy - they did not like to change when there J > was a switch between the printer and the computer. I seem to recall thatK > the change was done by directly connecting the printer to a PC's ethernetn > port.e  L In what way would a switch change the packets the printer would be getting ? Mine is on a hub.   M Would it be a question of ensuring there is no other traffic on the lan whileo' the printer learns about its identity ?a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:40:59 GMTs. From: Milton B Hewitt <mbhewitt@optonline.net>- Subject: Re: General Printer on LAN questions 8 Message-ID: <f5eocvs5p71o16tsrto22btb2ijrm1k7rl@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 21 May 2003 05:32:23 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  C >OK, so I plugged in the ethernet card on my Declaser 5100 (LN09). t >aO >Of course, this came with no documentation, and the DEClaser 5100 manuals thatiL >came with the printer contain no doc on the the ethernet card. And it seems1 >that manual isn't available on the net (is it ?)k   Is this it?e http://vt100.net/docs/lnx09-sv/   
 <snippage>   Cheers,e Milton   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:57:42 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: General Printer on LAN questions ) Message-ID: <3ECC5899.B6E26525@istop.com>h   Milton B Hewitt wrote: > 
 > Is this it?d! > http://vt100.net/docs/lnx09-sv/o  L Nop, that is just the service guide, essentially how to insert the card into% the printer, not how to configure it.o   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 11:48:04 -0700 From: bruzek@erols.com (Wayne) Subject: GOTHPRg< Message-ID: <93390d7.0305211048.36957fc3@posting.google.com>  E There was an old program around called GOTHPR.EXE that ran on VAX/VMSnC to make banners on line printers.  Needless to say, my copy doesn'tr? run on Alphas.  Does anyone have the source to this or an Alphap executable?t   TIA,   Waynen   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:19:14 +0200n" From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr> Subject: Re: GOTHPRo3 Message-ID: <bagjm7$dec$1@news-reader11.wanadoo.fr>o   Wayne wrote:G > There was an old program around called GOTHPR.EXE that ran on VAX/VMSXE > to make banners on line printers.  Needless to say, my copy doesn'ttA > run on Alphas.  Does anyone have the source to this or an Alpha2
 > executable?  >  > TIA, >  > Waynee   HelloVC use Vest (aka Decmigrate) to build an Alpha .exe from your vax .exeo   Vest is at the HP site and atT   http://www.softresint.com/   regardsm   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:46:14 -0400s- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>  Subject: Re: GOTHPRe0 Message-ID: <3ECC01B6.C705B7CA@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Wayne wrote:G > There was an old program around called GOTHPR.EXE that ran on VAX/VMSFE > to make banners on line printers.  Needless to say, my copy doesn'tnA > run on Alphas.  Does anyone have the source to this or an Alphao
 > executable?e  M First it was INVADERS and now GOTHPR.  I did a dir [...]goth* on my directory L here at work and amazingly enough I ported it back in the mists of antiquityC along with the font database to Fortran for ya already.  Here's theu5 (embarrassingly) all caps leadin to the Fortran code:            PROGRAM GOTHICP C       PROGRAM TO TAKE IN GOTHIC FONT (STORED IN UNFORMATTED FILE GOTHICU.DAT),O C       QUERY USER FOR CHARACTER STRING (UP TO 132 CHARACTERS LONG), AND OUTPUTiL C       BANNER OF GOTHIC CHARACTERS SUITABLE FOR PRINTING ON A LINE PRINTER.  L C       ORIGINAL PROGRAM WAS WRITTEN IN BASIC IN JAN '78 BY RWC/RTW AND THENL C       MODIFIED TO RUN ON RSX-11M BY R. MILLER.  FONT DATABASE CONSISTED OFL C       A BASIC VIRTUAL CHARACTER ARRAY (EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT PACKING), ANDN C       ANYHOW THE BASIC PROGRAM BROKE BY THE TIME VMS V5 CAME OUT.  THEREFOREM C       THIS FORTRAN PROGRAM WAS WRITTEN IN DEC '90 BY J. BOSWELL TO RUN ON AsP C       VAX AND USE A PAINFULLY CONVERTED FONT DATABASE OF UNFORMATTED INTEGERS.  H I just compiled and ran it on Alpha and it works.  It appears to make anL OUTPUT.LIS file which you print to a line printer with a /nofeed switch.  ItO makes darker characters by overprinting with O, X, and + characters.  I have no:P idea who RWC or RTW or J. Miller were, but I am presumably the actual J. BoswellP referenced above.  Can't remember doing any of this...  Must have a memory leak.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:35:47 GMTu# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ? Subject: How IBM, Dell managed to build crushing tech dominanceoJ Message-ID: <DqRya.204249$M81.112475@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  F http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=1208&e=8&u=/u$ satoday/20030521/tc_usatoday/5175754  6 How IBM, Dell managed to build crushing tech dominance Wed May 21, 7:39 AM ET Kevin Maney USA TODAYw  @ In sports circles, the argument du jour is whether female golferB Annika Sorenstam should play this week in a PGA tournament against men.  E Among technology people, the argument du jour is whether the industryh? is stuck in its prolonged, depressing slump because informationn? technology -- IT for short -- has permanently become a mundane, < slow-growth business, like electricity, toothpaste or paint.  > Some analysts and academics say it has. Tech people say that'sF ridiculous and get more offended than if you questioned their mothers'> decency. This is why tech people don't get invited to parties.  @ Anyway, it seems that most are missing an intriguing part of the> argument. It might explain one of the current mysteries in theE technology industry. To whit: Why are Dell Computer and IBM out therenF kicking booty in the computer business while just about everybody else is sucking wind?  E This Dell-IBM thing has become an accepted fact of life in 2003, like4F the rebirth of movie musicals or the effectiveness of the Atkins diet.B Wall Street analysts, most prominently Steve Milunovich of Merrill? Lynch, talk of a ''bifurcation'' of the market into Dell at thewB low-priced commodity end and IBM at the high end, with every otherA computer company -- Hewlett-Packard, Sun Microsystems, Gateway --r* caught in a profit-draining no man's land.  F ''Who makes money? Dell makes money, and IBM makes money,'' brags Dell= President Kevin Rollins. Yet no one has really explained why.a  C The answer might lie in a controversial article by Nicholas Carr in C the May Harvard Business Review, titled ''IT Doesn't Matter.'' CarrsD doesn't specifically tie his findings to the Dell-IBM split, but the logic involved fits.  @ To understand his argument, think of IT as cars and companies asF teenagers. When I was in high school, hardly any boys had cars. So theE ones who did own cars had a huge strategic girl-luring advantage overiA those who didn't. Those boys were mobile. They could get to everylE party. They could make out in their cars. My friend Ed had a car thatsF had gaping holes in the floor and belched smoke like an Iraqi oil well. fire, and even that was a strategic advantage.  E Today, in my neighborhood of the spoiled, every high school boy has a A car. So having a car is no longer a strategic advantage. Having a8F Lexus might give you a bit of an edge over a classmate with a Hyundai,F but it's not even close to the gulf between a boy with a car and a boy with no car.  F Bottom line: As a strategic advantage for teenage boys, cars no longer matter.o  D This is exactly what has happened with IT. Carr says that IT used toD be a strategic advantage for companies because not every company had@ it. So Wal-Mart could jump ahead of Kmart, in part, by investing5 heavily in IT and making better and faster decisions.t  B But these days, great technology is cheap and plentiful, and everyD company has its share. So IT doesn't matter because it's no longer a? strategic advantage. It's essentially a cost of doing business.6  A And if that's the case, who wants to spend a lot on IT? It's like:F phone service or office stationery -- you want quality stuff for a lowA price, in bulk. Who does that better than anybody? Right now it'saA Dell. And Dell is hotter than just about any technology producer.h  C But -- and this is a big ol' BUT -- IT is different from most otherIE products in one big way: The technology keeps changing and improving,  often in great leaps.r  F If a tech company can keep coming out with really high-end, super-coolD new technology, it can go to customers and offer something that willC give them a strategic advantage over all the other mopes buying theg commodity bulk stuff from Dell.r  B That's the road IBM has taken. It pumps billions of dollars a year@ into its massive scientific research labs and builds big honkin'C machines like T-Rex, which it unveiled earlier this month. T-Rex iskE three times more powerful than previous commercial mainframes, and itu starts at $1 million apiece.  C In the market, IBM is increasingly winning the customers willing torE take a risk on technology that might bring a strategic advantage, andK@ Dell gets all the rest, who are just trying to keep from getting toasted by competitors.l  @ As Milunovich and other analysts note, H-P, Sun and similar techB companies aren't making products cheaply enough to compete for the= keeping-up buyers, and aren't high-end enough to offer a true C strategic advantage. Those companies seem to be getting squeezed at4
 both ends.  A So IT does matter, and it doesn't. It matters at the high end. Ino@ every other part of the market, it doesn't. But if you're a techE company trying to sell into this market, the fact that IT does matter ! and doesn't matter matters a lot.(  2 Right. Now, can we get back to arguing about golf?   ---------------------------   % Not sure I completely buy the thesis.   > Proper implementation of technology at all levels gives a hugeB advantage. Most companies and governments still don't get it right> irrespective of the platform, and often times choose the wrongD platform for the job...it's like choosing a 4-function calculator toD do integral calculus...yes you can do it but boy is it long and hard to do right.  C Lots of companies fail to see that data and information are not theiD same thing. Which in its own way is like talking to a computer sales. droid - lots of data but short on information.  F Those of us who are still incredulous about HP's lack of VMS marketingB to new customers would view this as a way to truly distinguish VMS) from the rest of the chaff in the market.l  D And if SCO is even mildly successful in putting a crimp in the linux3 market, then there's even more opportunity for VMS.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:40:48 GMTv3 From: wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) C Subject: Re: How IBM, Dell managed to build crushing tech dominanceo0 Message-ID: <3ecbf203.169977031@news.eircom.net>  F On Wed, 21 May 2003 20:35:47 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  D Good article! I think it's on the right lines - that's why I said at? the time of the HP/Compaq merger that instead of merging, thosen! companies should be splitting up.C  ? >Proper implementation of technology at all levels gives a huge0 >advantage.>  F That's the missing piece: IBM doesn't just make money from technology,E but also from helping people actually make use of it. (Isn't services ) their most profitable division nowadays?)f   -- f "Sore wa himitsu desu."t To reply by email, remove  the small snack from address..! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:37:18 -0400z* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>C Subject: Re: How IBM, Dell managed to build crushing tech dominance ) Message-ID: <3ECC0D97.96B81C29@istop.com>-   John Smith wrote:e > H > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=1208&e=8&u=/uG > Today, in my neighborhood of the spoiled, every high school boy has aB: > car. So having a car is no longer a strategic advantage.  L It is even worse. Every kid demands to have the same car as everyone else inM onder to be "compatible". So corporations are refusing to be different een of 3 being different would give them a significant edge.'  G On the bus yesterday, I noticed an interesting ad. A local meat companytH announcing a new computerised tracking system for all their packages forJ better quality control (and obviously, so they can widthdraw only specificI packages shoud one batch prove to be bad).  It is interesting that a food M company would be advertising some IT-enabled functionlaity in public transit.-   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:13:22 +0000 (UTC)c, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system disk.. Message-ID: <bagfk1$5um$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> writes in article <R2Lya.3333$cq1.526543@news20.bellglobal.com> dated Wed, 21 May 2003 09:24:44 -0400:$ >A few questions on volume shadowing >y@ >1) I can't seem to find out how to make a shadowed system disk.  I It's in the manuals.  I don't remember which one, maybe "Volume Shadowing 
 for OpenVMS".    >Is it as simple as: >u
 >$ MCR SYSGENo >USE CURRENT >SET SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1 >SET SHADOW_SYS_UNIT= whatever >WRITE CURRENT >EXITc >0 >....and then reboot?o >55 >One rebooted, add other volume(s) to the shadow set?f  H Yes, pretty much.  Use SHADOW_SYS_DISK=4097 to enable mini-merge on thatB volume.  As with any shadow member, you need a non-zero ALLOCLASS.  5 >2) What setting  changes (if any) need to be/ can be * >made to the console variable BOOTDEF_DEV?7 >Can this variable be a list of members of a shadowset?w  K AFAIK, lists are not supported in SRM.  You boot the system from a physicaleN device, and it mounts as a shadow set at some point during the boot process.    + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org"> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:52:51 -0400.& From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system diskm2 Message-ID: <3ECBCB03.7F682A44@clarityconnect.com>  H The SRM does support a list of up to 4 elements separated by commas.  SoB for a shadowed system disk with 2 members and each member having 2< access paths you can get all 4 identifiers into BOOTDEF_DEV.   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:s >  > "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> writes in article <R2Lya.3333$cq1.526543@news20.bellglobal.com> dated Wed, 21 May 2003 09:24:44 -0400:& > >A few questions on volume shadowing > >t7 > >2) What setting  changes (if any) need to be/ can be , > >made to the console variable BOOTDEF_DEV?9 > >Can this variable be a list of members of a shadowset?C > M > AFAIK, lists are not supported in SRM.  You boot the system from a physical1N > device, and it mounts as a shadow set at some point during the boot process.   -- eC Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYJ0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or sot 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:38:55 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system disk ; Message-ID: <3ecbd5cf.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ) Bob Ceculski (bob@instantwhip.com) wrote:t. > "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> wrote...* > When rebooted, mount the 2nd member with > F > $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA0:/SHADOW=($101$DKA0,$101$DKA100) SHADOW1 >sC > of course you substitute in your allocation class and drive namesg > accordingly.  E And *DO NOT* add that command to your startup procedures, as it wouldd@ lose data if the shadow master ever falls out of the shadow set.  ; The shadow set wil form automagically on subsequent reboot.r   cu,s   Martin -- iB                         | Martin Vorlaender | VMS & WNT programmer1  OpenVMS: Where do you  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.desD  want to BE today?      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8                         | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 15:04:10 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system diski= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0305211404.6ea920ad@posting.google.com>w  m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0305210920.7ba6feb3@posting.google.com>...rl > "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> wrote in message news:<R2Lya.3333$cq1.526543@news20.bellglobal.com>...
 > > Hello allm > > ' > > A few questions on volume shadowing. > > C > > 1) I can't seem to find out how to make a shadowed system disk.O > >  > > Is it as simple as:  > >  > > $ MCR SYSGEN > > USE CURRENTs > > SET SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1t! > > SET SHADOW_SYS_UNIT= whatever  > > WRITE CURRENT  > > EXIT > >  > > ...and then reboot?  > > 8 > > One rebooted, add other volume(s) to the shadow set? > > 8 > > 2) What setting  changes (if any) need to be/ can be- > > made to the console variable BOOTDEF_DEV?i: > > Can this variable be a list of members of a shadowset? > >  > > TIAs	 > > Scotte >  > $ EDT MODPARAMS.DATe >  > ALLOCLASS=101w
 > SHADOWING=2e > SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1c > SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=0a > SHADOW_MAX_COPY=2t > SHADOW_SYS_TMO=20d > @ > then run autogen and reboot.  The above configuration is for a= > shadow set of 2 disks with "DKA0" being the primary member.f* > When rebooted, mount the 2nd member with > F > $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST DSA0:/SHADOW=($101$DKA0,$101$DKA100) SHADOW1 > C > of course you substitute in your allocation class and drive namese> > accordingly.  There is a shadow doc set you can buy when youD > purchase a shadow license, which I assume you have.  The secondary> > member will build with a copy operation, and you can see the [...]g  C WARNING!!! Do not put this type of command in your startup files todB add members to the system disk shadow set. You only need to run itF once interactively. The next time the system boots, it will attempt toC reconstruct the system disk shadow set as it was at the time of thepC shutdown (assuming, of course, that the specified boot device was a.7 member of said shadow set at the time of the shutdown).n  D If you put commands like this in your startup you risk a sequence ofE events that can overwrite more current data. See the Volume Shadowing  manual for details.r  E REPEAT: Do NOT add member disks to a *system disk* shadow set in your- startup files.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:36:31 -0500c1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>C/ Subject: Re: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMSa' Message-ID: <3ECC299F.9C632DC9@fsi.net>t  ( Got this in my InfoWorld update today...    . HP OFFERS WEBLOGIC ON OPENVMS, NONSTOP SERVERS  ( Posted May 21, 2003 4:50 AM Pacific Time  5 Hewlett-Packard extended an alliance with BEA Systems 5 Wednesday, offering BEA's WebLogic Server software ont. additional HP hardware and software platforms.  9 WebLogic Server is now available on HP's AlphaServer line 9 running the OpenVMS operating system, and on its Proliant = servers, which are based on Intel processors, running Linux ,o= HP said in a statement. The company expects to offer WebLogica8 Server on its fault-tolerant NonStop servers in June, HP said.b   For the full story: ; http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/21/HNweblogic_1.html2     -- r David J. Dachterak dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 14:05:57 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r< Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign3 Message-ID: <yQlUcQ5fz4eJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  a In article <i45ncv4tpfn80mv7itdngstqlnn0su19v7@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:oG > On Mon, 19 May 2003 13:59:09 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >>A >>HP Invent is a great tagline but it hardly reflects the realityo@ >>of HP as a corporation where the biggest single contributor toA >>positive share value and profitability in general over the last4: >>decade has been the HP business that puts toner in pots. >> > M > Ho hum...  Again with critizing marketing campaigns.  Isn't there somethingeL > more interesting/valuable to discuss?  I mean, Sun put the "." in ".bomb". >   C 	That is so passe'.  The latest FAD from the FUDster extraordinaire0@ 	is Sun is the "low-cost low-end platform of choice."  Not quiteB 	a jingle campaign but something will be spun up shortly I'm sure.  < 	Apparently, the bandwagon now is to jump on re-badged Intel 	kit with Sloairis slapped on.   				Robt   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:17:54 +0000 (UTC)-' From: dana l conroy <dana@TheWorld.com>: Subject: HTTP POST( Message-ID: <bah1f2$n10$1@pcls4.std.com>  @ I've gotten some great info from this group without ever having C to post anything (thanks all), but now I need to delurk to ask for s assistance.   A I'd like to send simple HTTP POST requests from an Alpha running  M OpenVMS 7.3-1 and MultiNet 4.4.  Through this group I was able to locate the oC source for Arne Vajhj's POSTACTION.C (thanks Arne!).  However, my rF programming skills don't go much beyond DCL, and I don't yet have a C  compiler on the Alpha.  J Would anyone be willing to share the mods needed to run POSTACTION on VMS  7.3-1 and MultiNet 4.4?e   Thanks!8 Dana dana@theworld.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:18:04 -0400h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: HTTP POST) Message-ID: <3ECC1722.71E8497C@istop.com>    dana l conroy wrote:B > I'd like to send simple HTTP POST requests from an Alpha running" > OpenVMS 7.3-1 and MultiNet 4.4.   , You can use kermit, here is a smaple script.   LOG SESSION myfile.log if fail goto endloop  SET HOST www.chocolate.gov.au:80 if failure end 1 cannot connecte SET TERMINAL ECHO ON ;W4 set \a% report=MAN200R&name=ab&feature=ALL&region=WA ;i( OUTPUT POST /cgi-bin/ERIS.pl HTTP/1.0\13D OUTPUT Referer: http://www.chocolate.gov.au/database/MAN200R.html\13  OUTPUT Connection: Keep-Alive\135 OUTPUT User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01(Macintosh; I; PPC)\13s$ OUTPUT Host: www.chocolate.gov.au\13J OUTPUT Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*\13' OUTPUT Accept-Language: en-GB, fr-CA\13-9 OUTPUT Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded\13 ' OUTPUT Content-length: \Flength(\%a)\13C
 OUTPUT \13
 OUTPUT \%a\13s CONNECTn ;m :endloop EXIT   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 11:37:21 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)r, Subject: Re: Hyperthreading to save itanium?< Message-ID: <734da31c.0305211037.3821581@posting.google.com>   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<baakm3$og7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...t > 7 > How many technologies from other processors are goinge+ > to be needed to make Itanium competitive.y  E In my view it already is competitive. Considering that there are many D things to improve, the future does not look that bad actually. SparcB is also a good CPU, but I don't think it would be more successfull5 than the current Itanium, if it was introduced today.a   /David   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 02:29:42 -00005 From: Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]>C3 Subject: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS usersn3 Message-ID: <YTU32XTK37762.895625@anonymous.poster>r  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9612    4 Very good.  Never mind if it is dismissed as ANOTHER+ piss-and-moan diatribe.  Focus here on thist  B And after about 10 years of half-hearted support from the various E vendors, I guess the OpenVMS community would be more than willing to p take the risk. n  < That would be me.  I am in an interesting position.  We have? folks that don't want to move to the next version of a vendor'spD product.  A Winbloze version.  VMS isn't happening.  This particularB vendor has a large number that REFUSE to move to Winbloze as their8 Winbloze product sucks a big one.  How many of us are inC similar situations, I don't know.  You would think the vendor wouldaD do a VMS product.  Their user base is leeching away.  Burn the boats9 and go with Winbloze.  FUCKING idiots!!!  Sorry to insult0" idiots.  They are worse than that.  > Secondly, because of VMS complicated nature it has a hard core- group of fairly sharp cowboys and cowgirls.  t  & VMS is not for MickeySchlock point andC click nimrods for sure.  Because of that the VMS community receiveseA excellent support compared to MickeySchlock server monkey-boys.  s= A further incentive to stay on VMS - now get this even if theh only path is Winbloze Nirvana.  ? I can't talk to management about VMS.  What would they believe?gE No one talks about it as the author relates.  Not in the trade press,vB not in Compaq/HP management.  It is like that crazy old aunt.  She5 is still your aunt but no one dares talk about her.  x+ Like grandpa with colon cancer - hush-hush.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 17:53:10 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)Y Subject: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or sell.= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305211653.5dee2406@posting.google.com>5  1 I think this article on the inquirer sums up the D0 feelings of most if not all of us VMS customers./ Sue, I would make sure every high level managerc- in HP including Carly gets a copy of this ...2  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9612   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:06:51 -0500c& From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>Y Subject: Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or c/ Message-ID: <vco8l7t9dadj77@corp.supernews.com>   K I sent the link and a request for comment to Stallard, Marcello and Gorham.    Dave...s  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageo7 news:d7791aa1.0305211653.5dee2406@posting.google.com...u2 > I think this article on the inquirer sums up the2 > feelings of most if not all of us VMS customers.1 > Sue, I would make sure every high level manager / > in HP including Carly gets a copy of this ...n >D* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9612   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:42:38 GMTy# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>nY Subject: Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or  I Message-ID: <yOWya.204447$M81.95001@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  E Marcello and Gorham, Blackmore and Stallard all may be nice guys, buts none of them have any weight.t     Write to the following:i   Owns 6.3% of HPD -----------------------  Susan Packard Orre Chairman( The David and Lucille Packard Foundation 300 Second Street, Suite 200 Los Altos, California   94022N     Richard T. Schlosberg III  President and CEO'( The David and Lucille Packard Foundation 300 Second Street, Suite 200 Los Altos, California   94022d         Owns .6% of HP ------------------------ The Trustees Packard Humanities Institute 300 Second Street, Suite 201 Los Altos, CA 94022z    < Top 15 Institutional shareholdings of HPQ stock (2003/03/31)> --------------------------------------------------------------B Barclays Global Investors Intl                         122,147,736C Alliance Capital Mgmt                                   109,741,696eA  State Street Global Advisors                          87,720,328i=  Fidelity Mgmt & Research Co                       69,613,384:<  Capital Research & Mgmt Co                       66,355,624E  Wellington Mgmt                                           64,335,120.D  Vanguard Group                                           53,593,268E  Dodge & Cox                                               49,634,456E:  State Farm Investment Mgmt Corp                41,950,600D  Jennison Associates                                      37,359,084:  Jp Morgan Fleming Asset Mgmt (us)              34,534,848<  Morgan Stanley Investment Mgmt                   32,304,764@  Northern Trust Co (chicago)                          31,148,244;  Banc Of America Capital Mgmt                    30,761,164r9  Hewlett (william & Flora) Foundation (the)    28,989,404   : Write these institutions and suggest that the value of HPQ5 would go up if HP were to spin-off the OpenVMS group. ; That'll pique their interest because all they care about isl; boosting the performance of their portfolios, which is very 0 different to the approach HP takes with OpenVMS.             HP's Board of DirectorsA -------------------------2   Philip M. Condit/ Chairman of the Board & Chief Executive Officerd Boeing World Headquarters. 100 North Riverside Plaza, Chicago, Illinois  60606     Sanford M. Litvack Dewey Ballantine LLP 1301 Avenue of the Americasn New York, New York  10019-6092     Thomas J. Perkins>  Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers 2750 Sand Hill Roade Menlo Park, California  94025a     Lucille S. Salhany& Co-President & Chief Executive Officer LifeFX Networks, Inc.s 7080 Hollywood Blvd. Suite 1015g Los Angeles, California  90028     Patricia C. Dunn$ Co-Chairman & Global Chief Executive Barclay's Global Investors 45 Fremont Streetd  San Francisco, California  94105     Carleton S. Fiorina " Chairman & Chief Executive Officer Hewlett-Packard Companye 3000 Hanover StreetB! Palo Alto, California  94304-1185w     Sam Ginn Member, Board of Directors c/o Hewlett-Packard Company  3000 Hanover Streeta! Palo Alto, California  94304-1185i     Richard A. Hackborn> Member, Board of Directors c/o Hewlett-Packard Company  3000 Hanover Street>! Palo Alto, California  94304-1185      George A. Keyworth II  Chairman & Senior Fellow! The Progress & Freedom Foundation  1301 K Street NW Suite 550 East Washington, DC  20005-3317     Robert E. Knowling Jr. Chairman and CEO! Internet Access Technologies Inc.c! 5450 Northwest Central, Suite 300  Houston, Texas  77092p     Lawrence T. Babbio, Jr.l Vice-Chairman & President, Verizon Communications, Inc. 1095 Avenue of the Americasy New York, New York  10036o              1 "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net> wrote in messaget) news:vco8l7t9dadj77@corp.supernews.com... E > I sent the link and a request for comment to Stallard, Marcello andp Gorham.e >P	 > Dave...d > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messaget9 > news:d7791aa1.0305211653.5dee2406@posting.google.com...w4 > > I think this article on the inquirer sums up the4 > > feelings of most if not all of us VMS customers.3 > > Sue, I would make sure every high level managert1 > > in HP including Carly gets a copy of this ...  > > , > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9612 >e >I   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:15:21 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-Y Subject: Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or p' Message-ID: <3ECC32B9.AB3E2EFA@fsi.net>i   Dave Gudewicz wrote: > M > I sent the link and a request for comment to Stallard, Marcello and Gorham.a  / May want to include Gorham, Gallozzi and Carly.   < Should you get a response, I know you will inform the group.   --   David J. Dachtera, dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:25:37 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or o) Message-ID: <3ECC34FE.5AE74612@istop.com>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:1 > May want to include Gorham, Gallozzi and Carly.   M In my experience, whenever you include more than one person in such a letter,eJ nobody answers because they each think that someone else will take care of that letter.  N Where a CC would help is if the letter is being sent to someone famous outsideH of HP, and where the HP exec will feel compelled to respond so that thatK external person seens a positive action taken by that exec in response to ad customer complaint.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:59:06 +0200h From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: Link state routing on VMS, how ???a2 Message-ID: <bagien$sv0$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  P I was planning to use a VMS system as DECnet Plus router, in a pure DECnet Plus N environment without any Phase IV compatibility. The (existing) area number is 1 805, so any Phase IV compatibility is impossible.o  L I ran net$configure advanced, and it asked if I wanted to set up routing. I Q choose L2routing, the I got some phase IV questions (??) and the I was asked for oO the Phase IV address. I wanted to enter 0.0 (which is correct in a pure DECnet a< Plus setup for a endnode) but the configurator refused this.  N After a lot of testing and searching I found out that net$configure wanted to . set up vector routing, and that is Phase IV !!  > Net$configure does not allow you to set up link state routing.  7 So I tried to make my own net$routing_startup.ncl file.   P For the routing module itself, it now just contains the setting for a L2router, N a manual address area, and the link state settings for L1 and L2 routing. But N whatever I try, the routing module will only startup with vector routing, the 4 49:: phase IV prefix, and a phase IV address of 0.0.  H The manuals are not very helpfull in this. The NCL commands are clearly $ described, they just don't work.....   Has anyone got a clue ?o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:44:36 +01009) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>r) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100At& Message-ID: <3ECBF344.9030208@iee.org>   Hans Vlems wrote:n  N > A DSW42 is a programmable interface and was once supported by DECnet for WAN > purposes.-  = The DSW42 is a two-line synchronous interface - uses a 50-wayo. D connector, exactly the same as a DSV-11 etc.  0 There *could* be on in this box, but none of the0 described plugs seemed to be in the right place.   AntonioA     --   ---------------l- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:41:34 +0100b) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>-) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A9& Message-ID: <3ECBF28E.8040300@iee.org>  / helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de---remove wrote:e8 >>If you cannot find the owner's manual, let me know and9 >>I'll track it down; I'm sure it's on the web somewhere.M >  > K > Yes, a pointer would be great.  My bookmarks are rather out of date.  :-(A  
 VS4000-90:=   http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/ka490sva.pdf =   http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/vaxoginb.pdfi  
 VAX 4000-100:f=   http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/468aatsa.pdfw=   http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/466aaopa.pdf-   Antonio      -- e   --   ---------------0- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgg   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:47:28 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>dI Subject: Re: Official gov't security cert tally: OpenVMS wins hands down!nD Message-ID: <QYOya.844$cK1.498@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messaget/ news:bag4es$t0hg2$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...I > In article> <DZLya.223453$w7k.75832@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:l > >i9 > > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messageu* > > news:3ECA9694.9080009@tsoft-inc.com... > >> > >> > >  <snip>R > >>< > >>I'm just a dummy, but I still haven't figured out how toE > >> build a backup of the running system disk in windows that can be  > > used to restoreG > >> the system disk.  > >RA > > Backup software from the following will do it (more or less):  > >  > > www.dantz.com - RetrospectC > > www.stompinc.com - personal versions of BackupExec (BackupMyPC)10 > > www.ultrabac.com - eponymously named product  > > www.veritas.com - BackupExec >E > Or Ghost from Symantec.G >AD > But I think he was asking (possibly tongue-in-cheek) for something that  > was actually a part of the OS.    E AFAIK it can't be done with an out-of-the-box install of Windows (any B version). Veritas supplied the native (crippleware) backup programB that Windows comes with (at least in versions up to Windows 2000).  C Don't know much about Ghost but the software from Dantz and Veritas.E will allow you to change disk controllers (ide to scsi or vice versa)r? during a recovery, which is a nice feature to have for hardwarer upgrading purposes..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:02:06 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS and TomCat 4.1.24) Message-ID: <3ECBE94E.8030902@vajhoej.dk>w   Marty Kuhrt wrote:A > If you are using the Compaq (HP) supplied Tomcat then it should5< > have some command procedures to start and stop it.  In theC > sys$startup: directory you should find apache$jakarta_startup.comt > and apache$shutdown.comB  1 Somwhow I doubt that CSWS_JAVA is on 4.1.24 yet ?   6 Rhetorical question - the link you gave say 4.0.4, but> I assume that you mean that he can "borrow" the startup script from CSWS_JAVA.y   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:54:50 GMTm. From: Milton B Hewitt <mbhewitt@optonline.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST  Itanium(e8 Message-ID: <bn6ocvsfsugduu3f28ke445o3lpu8a63ag@4ax.com>  7 On Tue, 20 May 2003 22:12:58 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"m <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >Sue Skonetski wrote:t >>   >> What a great OpenVMS Pearl, >>  G >> Once again the OpenVMS Team is showing the world how real clustering  >> is done.s > > >> 15-MAY-2003 20:27:13 FIRST Itanium(tm) VMS CLUSTER NODE!!!! >t >[snip]o >oC >Does anyone know who I could e-mail about this to help ensure that  >InfoWorld picks up on it? r* Try Brian Fonseca staff writer, Enterprise3 http://www.infoworld.com/advertise/adv_edt_bet.htmlh   >Computerworld?   - Submit it to the Innovative Technology Awards ? http://www.computerworld.com/services/research/0,10860,,00.htmld  % Jaikumar Vijayan, Enterprise systems t7 http://www.computerworld.com/services/editorialcontactsa   >...ZD? ...Cnet? ...any other  >mainstream media outlet?e    CNET Networks editorial contacts6 http://www.cnet.com/aboutcnet/0-7251795-7-7283135.html  4 I will contact Mike "Mageek" Magee of "the inquirer"  F >I'll look back thru my InfoWorld updates tomorrow eve - it's too lateF >tonight - but, if anyone knows anything at all that would be helpful,4 >please pass it along: post it, e-mail it, whatever.  
 Here ya go  D >Face it, y'all - HP's top mgt. is out to lunch permanently. When itE >comes to getting and keeping VMS in the mainstream's eye, it's up toe' >*US* to take the ball and run with it!i >r >If we don't, who will?r   Sad to say, but no one. :(     Cheers,n Milton   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:03:50 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(toI Message-ID: <q6Xya.226776$w7k.55657@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>o  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message  news:3ECAEEBA.EC5984E@fsi.net... > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >s > > What a great OpenVMS Pearl,  > >a= > > Once again the OpenVMS Team is showing the world how real8
 clustering > > is done. >o? > > 15-MAY-2003 20:27:13 FIRST Itanium(tm) VMS CLUSTER NODE!!!!s >o > [snip] >wD > Does anyone know who I could e-mail about this to help ensure thatA > InfoWorld picks up on it? Computerworld? ...ZD? ...Cnet? ...anyi otherl > mainstream media outlet? >rB > I'll look back thru my InfoWorld updates tomorrow eve - it's too late> > tonight - but, if anyone knows anything at all that would be helpful,5 > please pass it along: post it, e-mail it, whatever.d    C Most journals/newswires/etc.. will not publish anything unless theydA receive it either directly from the company, its authorized agent ? (public relations company), legal counsel, or via an accreditedu) alternative source (Reuters, AP, etc...).t  A What I'm saying is that the news you and we all would like to seey; published far and wide isn't going to see the light of day.s     >e= > Face it, y'all - HP's top mgt. is out to lunch permanently.a  . Are you're looking for disagreement here?? ;-)    	 > When itgF > comes to getting and keeping VMS in the mainstream's eye, it's up to( > *US* to take the ball and run with it! >  > If we don't, who will?  ? Play hardball. Tell your HP sales critter that 10% of the grossoC purchase price of the next Alpha or VMS purchase you make has to bei@ spent on OpenVMS advertising in your local business newspaper orC there's no sale and you'll recommend that the company's business bea given to IBM or Sun henceforth.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:54:14 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>dY Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tmeI Message-ID: <qZWya.226618$w7k.65142@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>g  A "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in messagem' news:mrAya.51304$rt6.18836@sccrnsc02...e? > In article <857e9e41.0305201610.3ca6dd62@posting.google.com>,o3 susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:l
 > >Newsgroup,  > >nF > >I am sorry that some of you (not all for sure) do not seem to enjoyF > >hearing good news about VMS.  The engineers are busting their buttsF > >making this port happen with VMS, they are working hard and doing a= > >good job, and the only feedback they get here is marketingt complaints..A > > Nothing is wrong in saying "great job engineering we knew youe couldpE > >do it".  But to take every milestone and keep up with the same old B > >thing does not solve anything except make the competition smile with > >glee. > 	 > Hi Sue,- >-F > I realize the good work that the folks do in Nashua (and elsewhere);	 I've seent# > some of it up close and personal!  >aE > Some folks here are upset because they perceive (truthfully or not)c that *they*lD > are expected to "carry the water" at their jobsites, and sometimes
 risk their' > professional reputations in doing so.  >c? > I know of at least three people working at one of the largest.D > financial-services organizations in the world, who definitely felt	 that way;iE > they had to fight tooth-and-nail with their own management to allowo VMS toF > continue making a significant, mission-critical contribution to thatA > organization, with little or no perceived help from DEC/COMPAQ.  Perhaps HP hasB > managed to change that equation; I no longer have access to that
 organization,l; > so I can't say if there has been a change for the better.t >eB > The competition (IBM/Sun) *did* take advantage of this situation
 with glee. >2D > Some of the folks here are asking HP to fight back, to join in the battle thatjA > DEC/COMPAQ seemed to abandon.  Their argument, as near as I cane tell, is not@ > with Nashua, or anyplace else that VMS Engineering and Support lives, but with<= > the folks in Houston and Cupertino (did I get the locationsh correct?), who seemIB > to be physically and emotionally disconnected from VMS.  Please,
 don't feelC > that folks here are against VMS Engineering; most of us *want* toy see VMSeF > succeed - indeed, many of us *depend* on VMS for our livelihood.  We want tok- > continue doing so, as long as is practical.     " Well said. I wholeheartedly agree.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:57:14 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>vY Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium - FIRST Itanium(tm-J Message-ID: <uUXya.227795$w7k.227002@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0305201610.3ca6dd62@posting.google.com...9 > Newsgroup, >oE > I am sorry that some of you (not all for sure) do not seem to enjoy=E > hearing good news about VMS.  The engineers are busting their buttsrE > making this port happen with VMS, they are working hard and doing ai< > good job, and the only feedback they get here is marketing complaints. F >  Nothing is wrong in saying "great job engineering we knew you couldD > do it".  But to take every milestone and keep up with the same oldF > thing does not solve anything except make the competition smile with > glee.n     Sue,  D It isn't the fault of Engineering that marketing of VMS is a fiasco.F Each and every engineer working on VMS is a GEM (pun intended). I onlyB wish that there were more of them so that even more rapid progressD could be made on all the things piling up in the OpenVMS EngineeringB job jar. But the only way to make that happen is to sell more VMS,? which begets more revenue, which begets those evil profits (nothF prophets), which begets more engineers. And the only way to do that isB to have more (really the operative word is *some*) serious OpenVMS+ marketing and advertising to new customers.5  A Question for you... how much do you figure that existing customerfC ALONE could grow the VMS market each year - in terms of revenue andw; profits? Think about it. Is that enough to ensure that OVMSoC Engineering gets the corporate commitment for funding of everythingIE that needs to be done over the next 5 years? You don't have to answerIC these questions because that isn't your job. But we collectively as.B customers and users of VMS certainly wonder about this - moreover,A we're entitled to because it's our cold hard cash and millions in @ committed applications and infrastructure that's at risk if OVMS doesn't get what it needs.      A > I get a lot of comments that I am preaching to the choir, guessv what! C > You are doing the same thing, everyone that I know who reads thisw@ > newsgroup thinks that VMS is the best and would like to see itB > advertised, be in every speach, in every report and every event. ButgE > if we spent our time on what is wrong we could not do what everyoneh > said was impossible.  E We're counting on you and your colleagues in OVMS Engineering and the E Ambassadors to do what you do to the best of your abilities each day.c  F Q. If HP managers don't listen to you (collectively) about advertisingD and marketing, and they don't listen to us (customers collectively),E then the HP 'Invent' slogan is just senior management's way of sayingt@ "Let's invent a way of ignoring what our lay-about employees and! worthless customers have to say."     D If HP wants its reputation besmirched in the marketplace then let itF continue with Capellas/Rosen like attitudes towards VMS - and it'll be> inevitable. But that's not an engineering problem, it's one ofE management. There's too much MBA at HP - management by accident - anddA not enough management by walking around and listening. carly's noi9 great technologist, she's no great marketeer, she's not asD visionary....she's a manager, and as we all know - we have to manageB the managers. And customers do that by rewarding managers with the> blessing of our purchasing dollars or the withholding of same.  F It's a small step but my company is starting to replace our printers -D we won't be buying HP ones. For the amount of money we are spending,D it won't affect HP any more than a pimple on an elephant's butt, but it is a question of principles.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:43:09 -0400-* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death) Message-ID: <3ECBC8BA.18D82FB4@istop.com>g   David Webb wrote:.P > There are a number of areas - stock exchanges, health systems, lottery systemsO > etc where VMS is still the major player. The Intel chip manufacturing processl' > is controlled by systems running VMS.n  N Your use of the word "still"  reflects an attitude that VMS may not be a majorM player in those areas in the future, as well as an image that it used to havet2 a lot more stuff and this is all that remains now.  J There may "still" be 400,000 VMS systems around the world. But how many ofL them are actively growing their VMS systems, and by "growing", I mean adding new applications to it.v  N If you have an existing system and you increase its capacity just to cope withM greater load on the same applications, I don't really consider this "growing"  your VMS infrastructure.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:33:39 -0500D1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>w" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death' Message-ID: <3ECC28F3.BBB139D4@fsi.net>0   mist dragon wrote: > [snip] > If you look atG > the new HP superdome servers, do you think those are gonna run iVMS ?w( > No. VMS just does not scale up enough.  G Excuse me? Show me *ANY* other o.s. running production databases in thefE hundreds of gigabytes, even into the terabytes. VMS scales as well or . better than any other or example you can cite.   > It will end to small 1-4-wayH > SMP servers or Hyperthreaded 1-2 CPU servers that will serve that last2 > application that people are not able to convert.   Clueless. Totally clueless.     Fade back into the mist, dragon!   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:25:51 +0000 (UTC) = From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818)  Subject: Re: RDB v?:  ODBC???n- Message-ID: <baggbf$pl4$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>o  P >In article <3eca9568_3@newsfeed>, "Ron Milen" <milenronald@mailbag.net> writes: >>L >>"j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in message* >>news:baduii$12lq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...H >>> We have RDB running on our OpenVMS v7.2-1h1 system.  Nobody seems toF >>> know what release of RDB we've got, but there are manuals for v7.02 >>> present so it ought to be at least that level. >>>wD >>> 2) DOES any given release of RDB have ODBC interfaces available,A >>> such that I can allow authorized users to access the database D >>> from an ODBC-compliant program, like MS-Access?  If only certain >>> releases, which ones?  >>>yA >>Yes, here's the documentation from Oracle which can be found atsB >>http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb_odbc/content.html. >>+ >>      Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb v3.0.2.6d >>L >>      The Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb enables Microsoft[R] Windows, WindowsH >>95[R], Windows NT[R] and Windows XP[R] applications that implement theK >>Microsoft Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) API to read from and write tomD >>Oracle Rdb databases and database accessible through the Oracle DB  >>Integrator family of gateways.  = 	Several individuals suggested this resource, but before I go3A 	too deeply into it, I have to say that this looks like the MS PCcA 	side of things, not the VMS side of things.  As I understand it,CC 	any tool like MS-Windows/MS-Access or the Oracle agent or whateverOC 	ought to already have the PC side of things.  What of the VMS side0C 	of things?  When I look at the Oracle website this is what I find;tA 	when I look at the source one responder suggested, I see lots ofi7 	3rd party tools, only one clearly FOR VMS by its name.e  ? 	If I have RDB installed (v7.0-6, by the way, thanks to all whop? 	gave hints on that), and a TCP/IP stack (Multinet in my case), < 	do I not already have the tools for the VMS side of ODBC?    ? 	Or am I going to find the VMS side buried deep inside these MSN, 	-specific .ZIP files in the above citation?  P +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+B | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")		InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu < | Systems Design Specialist - Lead	AT&T:      (814) 865-18189 | Digital Library Technologies		FAX:       (814) 863-3560y2 | 3 Paterno Library				"I'd rather be dancing..." B | Penn State University		    A host is a host from coast to coast,K | University Park, PA 16802	    And no one will talk to a host that's close<C | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>	    Unless the host that isn't closeb: | EMail Professional since 1978	    Is busy, hung or dead.P +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999]f3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a> eJ <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> --	/"\ 	\ /	ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN 	 X	AGAINST HTML MAILh 	/ \   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:15:27 -0700i* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> Subject: Re: RDB v?:  ODBC???a+ Message-ID: <3ecc088e$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>s  F I think what you're after on the server side is Oracle's SQL/Services,J preferably of the same version as your Rdb database software.  If you haveL the downloadable version of Rdb from the Oracle Technology Network site, youF will already have SQL/Services.  Look for the file SQLSRVAMVF070.A and install it with VMSINSTAL-     Alder     J "j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in message' news:baggbf$pl4$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...bJ > >In article <3eca9568_3@newsfeed>, "Ron Milen" <milenronald@mailbag.net> writes:r > >>F > >>"j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in messagen, > >>news:baduii$12lq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...J > >>> We have RDB running on our OpenVMS v7.2-1h1 system.  Nobody seems toH > >>> know what release of RDB we've got, but there are manuals for v7.04 > >>> present so it ought to be at least that level. > >>>hF > >>> 2) DOES any given release of RDB have ODBC interfaces available,C > >>> such that I can allow authorized users to access the database F > >>> from an ODBC-compliant program, like MS-Access?  If only certain > >>> releases, which ones?a > >>>,C > >>Yes, here's the documentation from Oracle which can be found atoD > >>http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb_odbc/content.html. > >>- > >>      Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb v3.0.2.6T > >>F > >>      The Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb enables Microsoft[R] Windows, WindowssJ > >>95[R], Windows NT[R] and Windows XP[R] applications that implement theJ > >>Microsoft Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) API to read from and write toF > >>Oracle Rdb databases and database accessible through the Oracle DB" > >>Integrator family of gateways. >T> > Several individuals suggested this resource, but before I goB > too deeply into it, I have to say that this looks like the MS PCB > side of things, not the VMS side of things.  As I understand it,D > any tool like MS-Windows/MS-Access or the Oracle agent or whateverD > ought to already have the PC side of things.  What of the VMS sideD > of things?  When I look at the Oracle website this is what I find;B > when I look at the source one responder suggested, I see lots of8 > 3rd party tools, only one clearly FOR VMS by its name. > @ > If I have RDB installed (v7.0-6, by the way, thanks to all who@ > gave hints on that), and a TCP/IP stack (Multinet in my case),; > do I not already have the tools for the VMS side of ODBC?s >a@ > Or am I going to find the VMS side buried deep inside these MS- > -specific .ZIP files in the above citation?  > H > +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag	 tapes"--+mB > | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance") InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu> > | Systems Design Specialist - Lead AT&T:      (814) 865-1818: > | Digital Library Technologies FAX:       (814) 863-35600 > | 3 Paterno Library "I'd rather be dancing..."C > | Penn State University     A host is a host from coast to coast,-G > | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that'so closeiE > | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>     Unless the host that isn't closer< > | EMail Professional since 1978     Is busy, hung or dead.A > +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take hisi wallet."-------+; >                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999]n4 > <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>L > <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> > -- /"\ > \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN  > X AGAINST HTML MAILt > / \i >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:20:49 -0700p* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> Subject: Re: RDB v?:  ODBC???d+ Message-ID: <3ecc09d0$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>W  G Oops, I think SQL/Services may be in its own separate kit.  It's been a 6 while since I grabbed it from Oracle and installed it.  9 http://otn.oracle.com/software/products/rdb7/content.htmla    J "j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in message' news:baggbf$pl4$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...eJ > >In article <3eca9568_3@newsfeed>, "Ron Milen" <milenronald@mailbag.net> writes:o > >>F > >>"j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in messagee, > >>news:baduii$12lq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...J > >>> We have RDB running on our OpenVMS v7.2-1h1 system.  Nobody seems toH > >>> know what release of RDB we've got, but there are manuals for v7.04 > >>> present so it ought to be at least that level. > >>> F > >>> 2) DOES any given release of RDB have ODBC interfaces available,C > >>> such that I can allow authorized users to access the databaserF > >>> from an ODBC-compliant program, like MS-Access?  If only certain > >>> releases, which ones?a > >>>hC > >>Yes, here's the documentation from Oracle which can be found at5D > >>http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb_odbc/content.html. > >>- > >>      Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb v3.0.2.6. > >>F > >>      The Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb enables Microsoft[R] Windows, Windows J > >>95[R], Windows NT[R] and Windows XP[R] applications that implement theJ > >>Microsoft Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) API to read from and write toF > >>Oracle Rdb databases and database accessible through the Oracle DB" > >>Integrator family of gateways. >-> > Several individuals suggested this resource, but before I goB > too deeply into it, I have to say that this looks like the MS PCB > side of things, not the VMS side of things.  As I understand it,D > any tool like MS-Windows/MS-Access or the Oracle agent or whateverD > ought to already have the PC side of things.  What of the VMS sideD > of things?  When I look at the Oracle website this is what I find;B > when I look at the source one responder suggested, I see lots of8 > 3rd party tools, only one clearly FOR VMS by its name. >m@ > If I have RDB installed (v7.0-6, by the way, thanks to all who@ > gave hints on that), and a TCP/IP stack (Multinet in my case),; > do I not already have the tools for the VMS side of ODBC?a > @ > Or am I going to find the VMS side buried deep inside these MS- > -specific .ZIP files in the above citation?p >MH > +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag	 tapes"--+2B > | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance") InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu> > | Systems Design Specialist - Lead AT&T:      (814) 865-1818: > | Digital Library Technologies FAX:       (814) 863-35600 > | 3 Paterno Library "I'd rather be dancing..."C > | Penn State University     A host is a host from coast to coast,eG > | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that'ss closenE > | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>     Unless the host that isn't closei< > | EMail Professional since 1978     Is busy, hung or dead.A > +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take hisu wallet."-------+; >                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999]l4 > <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>L > <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> > -- /"\ > \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN6 > X AGAINST HTML MAIL  > / \  >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 20:32:23 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)d Subject: Re: RDB v?:  ODBC??? = Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0305211932.6a3379d1@posting.google.com>   r jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) wrote in message news:<baggbf$pl4$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>...R > >In article <3eca9568_3@newsfeed>, "Ron Milen" <milenronald@mailbag.net> writes: > >>N > >>"j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in message, > >>news:baduii$12lq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...J > >>> We have RDB running on our OpenVMS v7.2-1h1 system.  Nobody seems toH > >>> know what release of RDB we've got, but there are manuals for v7.04 > >>> present so it ought to be at least that level. > >>> F > >>> 2) DOES any given release of RDB have ODBC interfaces available,C > >>> such that I can allow authorized users to access the database F > >>> from an ODBC-compliant program, like MS-Access?  If only certain > >>> releases, which ones?g > >>> C > >>Yes, here's the documentation from Oracle which can be found atgD > >>http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb_odbc/content.html. > >>- > >>      Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb v3.0.2.6a > >>N > >>      The Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb enables Microsoft[R] Windows, WindowsJ > >>95[R], Windows NT[R] and Windows XP[R] applications that implement theM > >>Microsoft Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) API to read from and write toPF > >>Oracle Rdb databases and database accessible through the Oracle DB" > >>Integrator family of gateways. > ? > 	Several individuals suggested this resource, but before I go C > 	too deeply into it, I have to say that this looks like the MS PCNC > 	side of things, not the VMS side of things.  As I understand it,rE > 	any tool like MS-Windows/MS-Access or the Oracle agent or whatever E > 	ought to already have the PC side of things.  What of the VMS sideiE > 	of things?  When I look at the Oracle website this is what I find; C > 	when I look at the source one responder suggested, I see lots of 9 > 	3rd party tools, only one clearly FOR VMS by its name.  > A > 	If I have RDB installed (v7.0-6, by the way, thanks to all who9A > 	gave hints on that), and a TCP/IP stack (Multinet in my case),/> > 	do I not already have the tools for the VMS side of ODBC?   > A > 	Or am I going to find the VMS side buried deep inside these MSl. > 	-specific .ZIP files in the above citation? > . Yes you should have all the components already- (depending on how Rdb was installed/upgraded) 4 $help SQL_Services should give you the info you need Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 14:09:59 -0700- From: maneesh_jain@hotmail.com (Maneesh Jain)  Subject: Reading an ASCII File= Message-ID: <d6405963.0305211309.64106693@posting.google.com>k   Hi,r  E In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone give + me a sample program that does this? Thanks.a   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 16:33:11 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)d" Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File3 Message-ID: <l$C6wYaPzIVZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  m In article <d6405963.0305211309.64106693@posting.google.com>, maneesh_jain@hotmail.com (Maneesh Jain) writes:   G > In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone givep- > me a sample program that does this? Thanks.        with TEXT_IO;use TEXT_IO;      procedure DEMO is2           MY_FILE : FILE_TYPE;'         BUFFER : STRING ( 1 .. 32767 );c         LAST : NATURAL;e  	     beginn  '         TEXT_IO.OPEN ( FILE => MY_FILE,p@                        NAME => SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM" );  6         while not END_OF_FILE ( FILE => MY_FILE ) loop/             TEXT_IO.GET_LINE ( FILE => MY_FILE, .                                ITEM => BUFFER,.                                LAST => LAST );         end loop;t  
     end DEMO;t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:33:32 -0400t( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>" Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File, Message-ID: <3ECBFEBC.4080502@tsoft-inc.com>   Maneesh Jain wrote:o   > Hi,c > G > In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone giveu- > me a sample program that does this? Thanks.m >     K I'm having a hard time believing this request.  I'm hoping this isn't some   student on his first project.u   DCL: $ type <filename>o   BASIC: 1 % open <filename> for input as file #1%h   	on error goto 90l   Loop:  linput #1%, L$	 	print L$ 
 	goto Loop   90 l resume 99 if ERR=11  	on error goto 0 99 a endo   Dave     -- d4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:58:28 -0500V1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>1" Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File' Message-ID: <3ECC2EC4.813FD6E5@fsi.net>a   Maneesh Jain wrote:i >  > Hi,h > G > In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone giveh- > me a sample program that does this? Thanks.e  ! On the odd chance you're serious:    $ open/read file ascii_file.txto
 $readloop: $ read/end=eof_file file p9s $ write sys$output p9s $ goto readloop 	 $eof_filed $ close file $ exit  G You should know, however, that because of RMS, the underlying structurehE of the file is virtually meaningless - one less wheel to re-invent inf every program you write.  6 Please spend some quality time with the documentation:" http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os731_index.html   -- m David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2003 01:42:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File5 Message-ID: <bah9ul$tbmdk$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   , In article <3ECBFEBC.4080502@tsoft-inc.com>,+ 	David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:n > Maneesh Jain wrote:o >  >> Hi, >>  H >> In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone give. >> me a sample program that does this? Thanks. >> : >  > M > I'm having a hard time believing this request.  I'm hoping this isn't some s > student on his first project.m  D Nope.  It's the end of the semester, not the beginning.  He's tryingC to get someone to do that last assignment he kept putting off untilo! it was too late to do it himself.1   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   2   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:00:05 +0000 (UTC)p, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)* Subject: Re: SHOW PROCESS bug on VMS 7.2-2. Message-ID: <bager5$5um$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) writes in article <dd3f0cb7.0305201246.149a0724@posting.google.com> dated 20 May 2003 13:46:27 -0700:F >I was in the middle of upgrading the Alphas to V7.2-2 (only because IE >was told that V7.2-1 is not longer supported) when I discovered thiss/ >problem.  HELP, I don't have software support.0  B I don't think mixing 6.2 and 7.2 in the same cluster has ever beenL supported.  That's OK; lots of unsupported things work, but you seem to have found one that doesn't.  -  I My advice:  Use your best judgement for what software to run in your main-F cluster.  Have a spare machine which you can boot as a standalone nodeK running the latest and greatest SW so you can reproduce bugs on "supported"n configurations.e  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgt> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:07:07 -0400e* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!2 Message-ID: <__6dnZn8n9gsXVajXTWcpg@metrocast.net>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>n; wrote in message news:bafo2i$o5v$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...    ...   1 > Humm, being rude doesn't enhance your argument.   L I only get rude when the target persistently ignores, or, worse, attempts to spin, more balanced discussion.w  G That disgusts me, though not *quite* as much as corporate cHumPaq.  YoutH disgust me, though not quite as much as cHumPaq.  But, unlike cHumPaq, I1 really don't give a damn about you.  So sayonara..   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:46:22 -0400s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!) Message-ID: <3ECBC97A.A4EDF06B@istop.com>n   A question to Andrew:p  B Mr Andrew, I woudl be interested in your opinion(s) on IBM's Power architecture and its future.  J With Apple rumoured to embrace it for its MACos X (getting into the 64 bitN arena), is it  sign that Power will break out of IBM and start to be used more widely ?  J Will Power take the high end, while Hammer takes the low end of the server4 markets, squeezing Sparc and IA64 into tight spots ?   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 16:55:52 -0700) From: baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut).< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!= Message-ID: <96d83290.0305211555.2c15df06@posting.google.com>   c "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com> wrote in message news:<TmTva.131$oA2.65073272@news.netcarrier.net>...s > Bobi > 5 >   Do you get paid to regurgitate Inquirer Articles?  > $ >                                Rob   Nope it's a free service:t  " http://chipzilla.com/?article=9612    OpenVMS - High Time HP Sold it ?  " Parallelize, parallelize, paralyse  + By Anonymiser: Wednesday 21 May 2003, 21:13-  D IT HAS NOW been just over a year since the merger of Hewlett-PackardF and Compaq so it is surely about time that HP decided what it is goingF to do with OpenVMS. Its limbo state has gone beyond all reasonableness4 and it is high time it sold it - one way or another.  = It might be almost as old as Unix but OpenVMS is no lumbering F dinosaur, not when it can continue to run rings around Unix, Linux andB Windows for security and clustering - which brings OpenVMS a whole= range of advantages that others can't match, not even the IBMMD behemoths. And yet for all its quality, HP has continued to leave it in the cupboard.  ? Shortly after the merger, Carly Fiorina made a visit to OpenVMS F headquarters and to an enthusiastic crowd she professed her admirationC for the efforts of Ken Olsen and Digital. As far as I can ascertainAB she has not been back there in the last 12 months, and HP has been almost silent about OpenVMS.  F Some say that the recent set of management changes at HP bode well forA OpenVMS but in reality all it has done is only put those who wereNF responsible for it at Compaq back in charge of the product at HP. They? did almost nothing at Compaq and now it looks like they will doiA nothing once again - nothing that is, except continue to test the'@ patience of OpenVMS owners and see them move to other platforms.  B Until the management reshuffle, Scott Stallard was responsible forD Business Critical Systems, the section which includes OpenVMS, but aA search of the web indicates that not once in the 12 months of hisaF tenure, did he say anything positive about OpenVMS. In fact, he rarely@ mentioned it except in composite statements with other operating systems from HP.  F In a report here in the INQUIRER about the consequences of the merger,D he speaks at length about the other operating systems but all he canF manage to say about OpenVMS is that it will move from Alpha to ItaniumC and that tools will be available for any OpenVMS site that wants tohD move to HP-UX. He was also absent from the major European user forumB in Lyon in May 2002, sending only a video-taped interview where heF assured customers that the new HP intended to continue to aggressivelyF promote and sell OpenVMS-based AlphaServer systems as long as customerC demand exists (my italics), something that OpenVMS is still waitingo for.  @ So much for the support of OpenVMS from senior management in HP!  E Following the reshuffle earlier this month, Peter Blackmore has takeneD over the role from Scott Stallard but this move brings no confidenceB either because Blackmore and CTO Shane Robison - he of a finger inF every technology pie at HP - seem to have been largely responsible forB OpenVMS going nowhere when it was under the stewardship of Compaq.  C While one could make allowances for their lack of visible effort atnC PC-centric Compaq, the fact is that these two have held influential E positions at Hewlett Packard for 12 months and in that time have doneh nothing for OpenVMS.  D Robison is on record in a recent interview as saying "We have a veryF good, three-operating-systems strategy, with NT, Linux, and HP-UX." SoC much for NSK (aka Tandem) and so much for OpenVMS. And probably toon@ bad for the sales prospects of NT and HP-UX and their associatedE software -- it has all been sacrificed for Linux, which itself brings,' little or no continuing revenue stream.   F Linux would be great for HP - but only if all that HP ever wants to be@ is a box-shipper. Robison needs to get out of his "Internet-boom? mentality" and realise that profit is not a dirty word and thatm! OpenVMS generates decent profits.a  D Blackmore is no better. In a press release from HP, he appears to beD the source of the comment "HP attributed its market-share leadershipF to continued customer loyalty and a powerful line-up of cross-platformE offerings that provide customers a choice of Windows, Linux, UNIX ando. specialized operating platforms." (my italics)  B I don't know where Blackmore has been for the last 25 years or howF little he knows about the products that he deals with, but OpenVMS hasE always been a general-purpose operating system ever since its release F in 1978. It has been used for a wide variety of commercial, industrialA and scientific applications - or does Blackmore believe that thiss5 breadth of applications still makes it "specialised"?t  F The only area that VMS could even remotely be said to specialise is inC providing high-availability and reliability. It is a sorry world if C Blackmore and those associated with him believe that this justifieso) its marginalisation by Compaq and now HP.s  E He is consistent if nothing else. In an interview in in ComputerworldiD in March of this year, Blackmore said: " We will continue to supportC it on IA-64. It is a very special class of operating system. We are B not planning to do anything else other than to continue supportingD this environment, as well as the 450,000 users around the world that are on this." (My italics).a  E I am afraid that his 450,000 users is nothing more than a wild dream. D About 12 months ago we were told of a 10% increase in OpenVMS sales,A predominantly in the USA. What was not detailed was the number oftB customers moving away from OpenVMS -- or preferring to expand withC other platforms -- both in the USA and Europe. Let's face it, those F customers have given up waiting and new customers are about as rare as hen's teeth.  ; And if the customers aren't investigating OpenVMS for theirgF applications, then the major blame can be assigned to Compaq's failure9 to promote it during the few years that it owned OpenVMS.n  E It is not simply the sales that matter, it is getting information outoE to the potential customers - and in that respect Compaq was an abjectE@ failure, caused in part by the Capellas mantram of not confusing" customers by giving them a choice.  B The paucity of information about OpenVMS is reflected in its scantB appearances in the various technology publications. Use the search> utilities at a number of major IT publications that have a webC presence and you will see just how little information about OpenVMS;C gets into the public domain. VMS was renamed OpenVMS about 12 yearseF ago but very few web publications mention it more than 35 times, which1 is an average rate of about three times per year.l  A Compaq dictated that OpenVMS would be aimed only at very specific0B target markets but the search tools at the websites of a number of= appropriate publications for those markets returned almost noIE references to OpenVMS. So much for market penetration and so much forbC establishing a powerful technology presence in them - but these are F the markets for OpenVMS that HP has persisted with in its half-hearted manner.,  E It is clear that OpenVMS does not have a future at HP, at least not ao future that does it any credit..  F As Peter Blackmore has made abundantly clear, HP is busy concentrating@ on Linux, Unix and Windows. Never mind that these are low-marginF products that channel money into other pockets and that produce little@ on-going income. Never mind that Linux takes sales from HP's own@ variant of Unix as well as from its other software and operating systems offerings.  F The just-announced quarterly financials show the folly of this kind ofE thought. OpenVMS is part of the Enterprise Systems Group and this wasyC the only product group to increase revenue in the last three monthshC and the increase in profits was the greatest by a long shot. On the B other hand the Personal Systems products returned a profit of lessE than 0.5% for the more than $5 billion spent on them, which less thanrF the interest rates at most banks. With their marketing emphasis on theF low-profit profit lines, HP is looking a lot like Compaq Mark II - and+ that is not at all a good sign for OpenVMS.   B With this kind of attitude in HP it is high time that they decidedA what to do with OpenVMS - whether to drop the sophistry of marketV? niches and sell it to the IT community at large, or to sell theo! OpenVMS division in its entirety.t  A I would be very surprised if HP really decided to put effort intoy? selling the product to the broad IT community. For far too longvD Blackmore, Robison and others have had the effrontery to assert thatD there is no potential market worth exploring outside the niches that@ they target it at, niches that Compaq and HP have discovered areA highly vulnerable to competition and to shrinkage through companyiC takeovers, moreover niches that Compaq simultaneously targeted withtE Unix and NSK products even while claiming that these were the markets  for OpenVMS.  F I believe that it would be expecting too much of Blackmore and Robison" to suddenly change their tune now.  F The only sensible option for all concerned is for HP to sell OpenVMS -B and in a single step reduce its costs, gain some money to waste on4 low-profit ventures and keep the stockholders happy.  C The question is of course, who would buy it and who has the kind ofoE support to ensure that the underlying hardware continues to function?n  C Dell might like it as an entry ticket into the high-end of business E computing. Unfortunately for Dell, its hardware support at that leveljD is still growing and it would be hard-pressed to have credibility in! the commercial enterprise sphere.   > Sun might be interested if its own financial position was moreF favourable because it seems to have a sneaking admiration for OpenVMS.B Sun has all its eggs in very few baskets and it are under a lot ofE pressure at the moment - perhaps even themselves a take-over target -A+ so its thoughts are likely to be elsewhere.n  ; The most obvious buyer for OpenVMS would be IBM because itsrD acquisition would let it stitch up the high-end commercial market asD well as make useful gains in other markets. Make no mistake, OpenVMSD has features that IBM systems still cannot match, and I am sure thatE IBM would take advantage of them, and it is not scared of proprietaryuF operating systems. IBM also has the required level of hardware supportA and has good credibility in the business world, as well as in theP- important world of the US Defense department.b  @ Sure, such a sale would probably require modifications to run onC specific types of processor, which would most likely be the Power4,.= but perhaps with either Intel or AMD as wildcards. Unlike the-F transition from Vax to Alpha, these changes would be relatively simpleD because as part of the move from Alpha to Itanium, changes have beenA made to reduce the effort of working with processor dependencies.n  A Whether HP would actually sell it to these competitors is anotherhE question but arguably if HP sees so little value in retaining OpenVMSrD - and its unwillingness to attempt to increase their profits from itF suggest this is true - then it should have no compunction about taking the buyer's money.  A And after about 10 years of half-hearted support from the varioushD vendors, I guess the OpenVMS community would be more than willing to take the risk.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:34:29 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!) Message-ID: <3ECC1AFA.6E499A4E@istop.com>    Baby Peanut wrote:$ > http://chipzilla.com/?article=9612 > " > OpenVMS - High Time HP Sold it ?  H Amazing what that "adaptive enterprise" presentation with the purposefulI omission of VMS has made many realise that VMS may not have such a brightt future within HP.i  M Customers have given HP plenty of oppportunities to change the way it handlesrN VMS, but HP seems to insist on continuing the Compaq/Palmer philosophy of VMS.  K Buit then again, since the engineers such as Fred seem to be very confidenttM that HP has nothing but good plans for VMS, perhaps we are the ones imaginingrM things and should just stay quiet about all of this and let HP do whatever itr has planned for VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2003 17:44:11 GMT# From: rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espamw0 Subject: system fan failure in Alphaserver 4100.' Message-ID: <badphb$1uj$1@tejo.csic.es>   ? One of the system fan of our AlphaServer 4100 has began to fail < and  even HP Spain is having problems to find a replacement.  # We are not under service agreement,DN and I am trying to find as much information as I can about this fans, so I can find a replacement.e  J Any information anyone could give me about them would be much appreciated.   Thanks in advance.   Ricardo.  C PS: I know that this is not really VMS related but this is the lastn; VMS machine around here and I would like to keep it runningw   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:25:20 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit. Message-ID: <baggag$5um$3@newslocal.mitre.org>   "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us> writes in article <VVNya.28$gY1.3694@news-west.eli.net> dated Wed, 21 May 2003 16:36:05 GMT: I >I get error SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV when entering the following interactive DCL:> >p >$ submit/noprint testsub.comh@ >Job TESTSUB (queue JUNK_BATCH, entry 715) started on JUNK_BATCH >$ sh entry/ful 715 0 >Entry  Jobname       Username    Blocks  Status: >------  ----------       -----------    --------  -------9 >715    TESTSUB    OPERATOR             Retained on errorbD >    %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationD >    -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation; >    -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, no privilege for attempted operationo  J That error is not from the "submit" or "sh entry" commands.  It looks likeJ something inside the batch job got a privilege error, and the queue is set to retain-on-error.  -  L >I did a SET PROCESS/PRIV=BYPASS and SET PROCESS/PRIV=CMKRNL but continue to >get this error.  J If you do these interactively, they will have absolutely no effect on yourE batch job.  If you want to run the job with these privileges, put thee" commands in the command procedure.  J What you need to do to track the problem down is log the output of the jobA with verify turned on (insert a "$ SET VERIFY" line at the top ofuH testsub.com).  Then look at the end of the log for the error message and/ above it to see what command it was attempting.u  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orge> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:27:53 -0400	% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> & Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit/ Message-ID: <vcnh9ba9viilc6@news.supernews.com>s  = "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us> wrote in messageb+ news:VVNya.28$gY1.3694@news-west.eli.net...AJ > I get error SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV when entering the following interactive DCL: >e [snip]I > Anyone have a clue why this error occurs when submitting jobs from thiso > particular account?  >i  G Does the job even start?  Is there a .LOG file?  If not, make sure that < OPERATOR has delete access to old versions of the .LOG file.  H If the job is starting, make sure that the SET PROC/PRIV commands are inH TESTSUB.COM.  Enabling privileges interactively has no effect on the new" process created for the batch job.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:44:17 +0200-4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit& Message-ID: <3ECBC901.7010907@Free.fr>   Keith A. Lewis wrote:c  L > What you need to do to track the problem down is log the output of the jobC > with verify turned on (insert a "$ SET VERIFY" line at the top oftJ > testsub.com).  Then look at the end of the log for the error message and1 > above it to see what command it was attempting.Q   What did I win ?   :-)i   D.  M "What a pleasure going back home to VMS support" (JarJar Binks in Episode I).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:42:31 +020004 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit& Message-ID: <3ECBC897.6090909@Free.fr>   La Roche, Michael wrote: > Frank,M > Have you checked the user account in the UAF for privleges?  Also check theh: > security on the file itself via dir/security testsub.com   Nah!O This would produce the (in)famous "Error opening primary input file SYS$INPUT".s   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:56:15 +0200s4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit& Message-ID: <3ECBCBCF.9080600@Free.fr>   John Vottero wrote:- >=20J > Does the job even start?  Is there a .LOG file?  If not, make sure that=  > > OPERATOR has delete access to old versions of the .LOG file.  H John, you are a good candidate for MENSA... (http://www.mensa.org/)  :-)  $ Logical test #x+1 (for advanced M's)3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DoG State how OPERATOR (???) could delete a non-existent file, even with=20pG authorization, when a batch job is started under normal VMS environmentD
 (5 points)   Bonusa =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>J State how the absence of a file relates with the fact that a tier was *no=
 t* able=20 to delete it
 (3 points)   Cherry on the cake6 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DJ Explain in less than 20 words what the "OPERATOR" has to do with batch lo= g files 
 (2 points)  
 lol/mdr/sg2bb    D.+ President of French MENSA Midi-Pyr=E9n=E9esa http://mensa.midipy.free.fra  ! (sg2bb =3D so good to be back :-)h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:26:40 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>c& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit/ Message-ID: <vco9qi5101963a@news.supernews.com>i  B >"Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message  news:3ECBCBCF.9080600@Free.fr... >John Vottero wrote: >>J >> Does the job even start?  Is there a .LOG file?  If not, make sure that? >> OPERATOR has delete access to old versions of the .LOG file.s >SI >John, you are a good candidate for MENSA... (http://www.mensa.org/)  :-)t >t% >Logical test #x+1 (for advanced M's)  >=================E >State how OPERATOR (???) could delete a non-existent file, even with H >authorization, when a batch job is started under normal VMS environment >(5 points)o >s  G OPERATOR is the username that the batch job is running under.  When the"K batch job starts a new version of the .LOG file must be created which meansnJ that the OPERATOR account, with default privileges, must have write accessL to the most recent version of the .LOG file.  If the .LOG file has a versionL limit and that limit has been reached, then OPERATOR must have delete access to the oldest version.  ? If either of these situations happens, the batch job fails withs %RMS-E-PRV, -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV.n   >Bonus >=====L >State how the absence of a file relates with the fact that a tier was *not* able
 >to delete itd >(3 points)> >   H The new LOG is is not present because the oldest version of the LOG file could not be deleted.-   >Cherry on the cake  >==================0K >Explain in less than 20 words what the "OPERATOR" has to do with batch logd filesg >(2 points)d >@  = OPERATOR is the account that the batch job was running under.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:50:35 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit' Message-ID: <3ECC2CEA.3F90FDEC@fsi.net>u   frank brown wrote: > J > I get error SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV when entering the following interactive DCL: >  > $ submit/noprint testsub.comA > Job TESTSUB (queue JUNK_BATCH, entry 715) started on JUNK_BATCHs > $ sh entry/ful 7151 > Entry  Jobname       Username    Blocks  Status.; > ------  ----------       -----------    --------  -------N: > 715    TESTSUB    OPERATOR             Retained on errorE >     %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationtE >     -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationt< >     -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, no privilege for attempted operation > M > I did a SET PROCESS/PRIV=BYPASS and SET PROCESS/PRIV=CMKRNL but continue toI > get this error.>  E Note that this appears in a SHOW ENTRY command output. That means theO: error occured in the batch job, not the job submitting it.  ? Among the possibilities: check that OPERATOR owns its own login H directory and otherwise has write access to it and this disk it lives onE (permission / privilege to create the job log). If there's no job logn! now, this may clear that part up.e   Just a thought...    -- t David J. Dachtera( dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:17:27 -0400,* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit) Message-ID: <3ECC3314.4664721A@istop.com>n   Suggestions:  L do a SHOW ENTRY/FULL to get both ethe submitted .COM file fill spec, as well# as the log file full specification.f  K Then login interactively under the same user as the job was supposed to run M under, adn attempt to type the .COM file, and attempt to create the .LOG filee4 by specifying the full specs as given by show entry.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:07:56 GMTo  From: trothf <trothf@boeing.com> Subject: VAX/VMS Emulation* Message-ID: <3ECBEAAC.D7DEA663@boeing.com>  H Are any of us familiar with a OpenVMS/VAX emulator that is Intel-based? C I seem to remember hearing of such a thing, but it escapes me now. n. Thanks!  Frank Troth, frank.e.troth@boeing.com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2003 16:34:44 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Emulation3 Message-ID: <9rGwDuT5JMoS@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  M In article <3ECBEAAC.D7DEA663@boeing.com>, trothf <trothf@boeing.com> writes:"  J > Are any of us familiar with a OpenVMS/VAX emulator that is Intel-based? E > I seem to remember hearing of such a thing, but it escapes me now. s  J HP plans to release one in about a year for the newer Intel processors :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:59:50 -0500'1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Emulation% Message-ID: <3ECC2F16.62758A@fsi.net>-  
 trothf wrote:= > I > Are any of us familiar with a OpenVMS/VAX emulator that is Intel-based?dD > I seem to remember hearing of such a thing, but it escapes me now.0 > Thanks!  Frank Troth, frank.e.troth@boeing.com   Search for:-  
 Charon-VAX SIMH   -- M David J. Dachtera7 dba DJE Systems@ http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:00:04 -0400 % From: "Nancy Lyons" <n.lyons@rcn.com>n Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Emulation+ Message-ID: <bahau0$g4m$1@bob.news.rcn.net>n  4 Software Resources International supplies Charon-VAX1 at http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htma4 It runs under Windows or Linux on an Intel platform.   N. Lyons www.resilientsys.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:46:58 -0400g* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Emulation. Message-ID: <3ECC01E2.23361.2AD917D@localhost>  
 trothf wrote:  > I > Are any of us familiar with a OpenVMS/VAX emulator that is Intel-based?eD > I seem to remember hearing of such a thing, but it escapes me now.0 > Thanks!  Frank Troth, frank.e.troth@boeing.com  ; I happen to be very familiar with both CHARON-VAX and SIMH.   D [Shameless plug alert] In fact, I'm a CHARON-VAX reseller, and have  done many installations.  
 Check out:  &   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html   for more details.r  
 --Stan QuayleM Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147o= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:36:50 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Emulation; Message-ID: <3ecc45d2.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>t  ! trothf (trothf@boeing.com) wrote:sJ > Are any of us familiar with a OpenVMS/VAX emulator that is Intel-based? E > I seem to remember hearing of such a thing, but it escapes me now. f  ) SIMH is at http://simh.trailing-edge.com/    cu,c   Martin --  D                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.decD                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:20:40 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i: Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report' Message-ID: <3ECC25E8.5695F0F8@fsi.net>    HARANGOZO CSABA wrote: > [snip]M >         As long as VMS is the bastard ( or step ) child of some big companycN >         which only watches the profit line, VMS will only suffer and will be" >         sidelined, marginalised.  G If HP were TRULY interested in the bottom line, especially given what IeE just read in my daily InfoWorld briefing about the enterprise systemsrD section turing in a poor financial performance, they'd be hyping theE living spit outta VMS and (yes!) Alpha and letting Billy boy fend for- himself.  / > As a separate company it would stand a betterlF >         chance at survival, with proper advertising, marketing, etc.  B ...and not be held back by their allegience to the Gates Alliance.   -- 0 David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systems> http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/I   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:23:10 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i: Subject: Re: VMS Advertising & Marketing - a status report' Message-ID: <3ECC267E.9E10B592@fsi.net>e   John Smith wrote:  > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3ECAE4E5.2BB696C5@fsi.net...  > > John Smith wrote:F > > > F > > > > I just wanted to let everyone here know that I will be keeping > you 	 > > > all H > > > > informed on a weekly basis, or sooner, of any responses received
 > > > from6 > > > > carly and her minions, or Marcello, or Gorham. > > > G > > > Just following up at about 6 weeks....still no response from HP -- > > > other than) > > > from Sue and carly's autoresponder.C > >.1 > > You were expecting, maybe, Huckleberry Hound?  >  > carly, Larry, and Moe?  G Yogi Bear, QuickDraw McGraw, Snooper and Blabbermouse, Augie Doggie and < Daddy Doggie, Yacky-Doodle and The Chopper, SnagglePuss, ...   -- i David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:41:39 GMT , From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@hp.com>; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS? & Message-ID: <3ECBFD40.D05AF825@hp.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > r > In article <%Xvya.214085$w7k.188486@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:4 > >http://opensource.hp.com/opensource_projects.html > > C > >Can anyone point me to the equivalent link for HP sponsorship oft > >similar efforts for VMS?S > L > I don't know about sponsorship, but VMS Engineering (part of HP) is doing,N > maintaining, and feeding back changes of ports to various OpenSource things, > including Apache and STunnel.e > 	 > -- Alane  J http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html describes a number ofL OpenVMS open source tools/projects, including the two that I'm involved with (CDSA & Kerberos).   	Wayne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:37:19 GMTt. From: Milton B Hewitt <mbhewitt@optonline.net>; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS? 8 Message-ID: <80aocvc1qn8qersotnl7plcgpekd6k2prt@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 20 May 2003 20:09:31 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  2 >http://opensource.hp.com/opensource_projects.html >pA >Can anyone point me to the equivalent link for HP sponsorship ofp >similar efforts for VMS?a   http://h71000.www7.hp.com-  B Altho it would be much easier to find if they had it automaticallyH referenced if you entered www.hp.com/openvms or www.hp.com/vms like they have www.hp.com/linux setup   
 IBM does thisB www.ibm.com/linuxi3 They also do it with there other major systems liken www.ibm.com/as400o www.ibm.com/rs6000 www.ibm.com/iseriesr www.ibm.com/zseriesd   and Dell too www.dell.com/linux   You get the idea.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:52:35 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS? J Message-ID: <TXWya.226600$w7k.128884@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 "Wayne Morrison" <Wayne.Morrison@hp.com> wrote in messageo  news:3ECBFD40.D05AF825@hp.com..., > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > >a > > In articleE <%Xvya.214085$w7k.188486@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Johnn Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: 6 > > >http://opensource.hp.com/opensource_projects.html > > > E > > >Can anyone point me to the equivalent link for HP sponsorship of  > > >similar efforts for VMS?. > >.D > > I don't know about sponsorship, but VMS Engineering (part of HP)	 is doing,g= > > maintaining, and feeding back changes of ports to variousJ OpenSource things,! > > including Apache and STunnel.i > >o > > -- Aland > B > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html describes a	 number of2@ > OpenVMS open source tools/projects, including the two that I'm
 involved withd > (CDSA & Kerberos). >I > Waynev     Thanks for the link Wayne.  @ If one looks at the link I posted in my original message of thisA thread, http://opensource.hp.com/opensource_projects.html one caneE clearly see that the domain referenced is OPENSOURCE.hp.com (emphasis  added).w  D Now my way of thinking, which some may not agree with, is that thereB ought to be a link from that 'opensource' link to all the projects; that Wayne's link take you to. 'Open Source' is open sourcetE irrespective of which platform it runs on. It sends the wrong messagen by not having a link on the.C 'http://opensource.hp.com/opensource_projects.html' page to the VMS  open source efforts.  : Open Source doesn't mean just linux efforts, which is what9 http://opensource.hp.com/opensource_projects.html infers.X    3 And while I'm at it, why does the OpenVMS link ready; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ in the browser window instead ofn www.hp.com/openvms ??e  @ Try entering www.hp.com/openvms in your browser and see what you get.....  ) "The page you requested can not be found.e  D If you typed the URL yourself, please make sure that the spelling is correct.E If you clicked on a link to get here, there may be a problem with thes link.hA Try using your browser's "back" button or the "return to previousd@ page" link below to choose a different link on that page, or use( search to find what you are looking for.  %  We apologize for the inconvenience!"e  ) It's no inconveniece...it's *deliberate*.s  F Try www.hp.com/linux as a contrast to see how an o/s out to be treated4 (and that's a free o/s that HP makes no money on)!!!  6 No offense Warren, but just who made the decision thatC www.hp.com/openvms should bring up what is effectively a 404 error?A  . What a way to run a company...into the ground.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 01:24:33 -0400i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?6( Message-ID: <3ECC5EE3.FE944A9@istop.com>   John Smith wrote: 8 > No offense Warren, but just who made the decision thatE > www.hp.com/openvms should bring up what is effectively a 404 error?l    L It is a fact that neither www.openvms.hp.com  nor www.hp.com/vms or /openvmsI work, more than a year after the merger. Consider that openvms.compaq.comrE redirects to some weird and wonderful HP server name, there is reallyrH absolutely no technical reason why www.openvms.hp.com and www.vms.hp.com couldn't redirect to the same.  N No matter how I look at it, the only explanation I can see for this is that HPK has made a conscious decision not to fully integrate the VMS product withino HP's product line.  K Imagine the medium/long term potential if HP had the VMS hobbyist programmeeF featured on its front page with some sort of system/method to make oldN vax/alpha hardware go to hobbyists for real cheap instead of ending up in hugeK wharehouses gathering dust. Imagine all sorts of people getting their handsnN wet with VMS, in pretty much the same way they do with Linux, and then go back# to their employers and mention VMS.o  G HP has the potential to push VMS far more than Digital because they arehN primarily seen as a consumer product company and hence it has a wider audienceT than Digital did. And it wouldn't cost HP anything to feature VMS on its front page.    L But we all know by now that HP has no intentions of pushing VMS. Where there is a will, there is a way.  J My question is at what level does the desire to market VMS stop.  I have aL feeling that it stops as low as the Gorham level who may not see the need toM push VMS to a new , wider , audience to gain new customers. Marcello may havetK wanted some marketing (and had gotten a token one during the "Renaissance",aK but I think his carreer inside HP now prevent him from speaking out against  corporate policy.-   That leaves Sue to save VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:10:24 GMTt% From: "Troy Makaro" <troy@makaro.com>eH Subject: Why subtract 2 from the exponent in G_float to IEEE conversion?; Message-ID: <4XRya.40230$ro6.1119029@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>   K I found out that by swapping bytes and subtracting 2 from the exponent partoL I could convert g_float to IEEE. My question is why do I have to do this????K Are there any situations where this would fail? I notice it chokes when allt bytes are zero.   I Note: in my example I subtract 32 from the first integer which i think is D the same as subtracting 2 from the exponent part given the exponents position in the bytes.   Here is my example code:       /** J      * Converts an array of 8 bytes(representing a vms gfloat) into a java double.       *E      * @param buffer An array of 8 bytes representing the vms gfloat.t$      * @return The converted gfloat.      */g7     public static double convertGFloat(byte[] buffer) {s  D         int i1a = ((buffer[1] & 0xFF) << 8 | (buffer[0] & 0xFF))-32;?         int i1b = (buffer[3] & 0xFF) << 8 | (buffer[2] & 0xFF);S!         int i1 = i1a << 16 | i1b;o  =         int i2 = buffer[5] << 24 | (buffer[4] & 0xFF) << 16 |e%             (buffer[7] & 0xFF) << 8 |u             (buffer[6] & 0xFF);   E         double answer = Double.longBitsToDouble( ( (long) i1) << 32 | 0             ( (long) i2 & 0x00000000ffffffffL));         return answer;     } // convert   Troy   ------------------------------   Date: 21 May 2003 17:58 CDTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)CL Subject: Re: Why subtract 2 from the exponent in G_float to IEEE conversion?- Message-ID: <21MAY200317585534@gerg.tamu.edu>m  e In article <4XRya.40230$ro6.1119029@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>, "Troy Makaro" <troy@makaro.com> writes...yL }I found out that by swapping bytes and subtracting 2 from the exponent partM }I could convert g_float to IEEE. My question is why do I have to do this????aL }Are there any situations where this would fail? I notice it chokes when all }bytes are zero. } J }Note: in my example I subtract 32 from the first integer which i think isE }the same as subtracting 2 from the exponent part given the exponentsx }position in the bytes.o }  }Here is my example code:  }  }    /**K }     * Converts an array of 8 bytes(representing a vms gfloat) into a javap }double. }     *rF }     * @param buffer An array of 8 bytes representing the vms gfloat.% }     * @return The converted gfloat.e }     */8 }    public static double convertGFloat(byte[] buffer) { } E }        int i1a = ((buffer[1] & 0xFF) << 8 | (buffer[0] & 0xFF))-32;s@ }        int i1b = (buffer[3] & 0xFF) << 8 | (buffer[2] & 0xFF);" }        int i1 = i1a << 16 | i1b; } > }        int i2 = buffer[5] << 24 | (buffer[4] & 0xFF) << 16 |& }            (buffer[7] & 0xFF) << 8 |  }            (buffer[6] & 0xFF); } F }        double answer = Double.longBitsToDouble( ( (long) i1) << 32 |1 }            ( (long) i2 & 0x00000000ffffffffL));p }        return answer;m }    } // converti }  }Troy   
 I don't know.t  % But I do know that you should look ata  * $ HELP RTL_ROUTINES CVT$ CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT   --- Carl   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.281 ************************