1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 22 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 282       Contents: Alpha lives on in Dell? ' anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks? + Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?  Re: CSWS 1.3 CGI question 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here 1 Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here " Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1" Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #2H Re: DECUS Lyon 2002 (was: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here)- DHCP client hogging the CPU, high page faults $ Re: Gartners crystal ball craked ...$ Re: General Printer on LAN questions$ Re: General Printer on LAN questions$ Re: General Printer on LAN questions' Re: Getting into the DS20E Alpha Server 
 HELP /MESSAGE  Re: HELP /MESSAGE  Re: HELP /MESSAGE & RE: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMS3 Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign # Re: Hyperthreading to save itanium? P Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ...  Shape up orP Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ...  Shape up orP Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or   Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A  Re: need help with VAX 4000-100A& New [to me] error showing in errorlog.P Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(tP Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(t/ OpenVMS Pearl - BEA BMQ commit to OpenVMS IA 64  Physical Device Names  Re: Physical Device Names   Please help to find right person Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  RE: RDB v?:  ODBC??? Re: Reading an ASCII File  RE: Reading an ASCII File  Re: Reading an ASCII File  Re: Reading an ASCII File  Re: Reading an ASCII File ! Re: SHOW PROCESS bug on VMS 7.2-2 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! 3 Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly! + Re: system fan failure in Alphaserver 4100.  Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit P Tool to display quotas used and limits (was Re: prod install hung - help please!$ WebServices / SOAP / C++ / DECPASCAL2 RE: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?2 RE: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?2 Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?C Re: Why subtract 2 from the exponent in G_float to IEEE conversion? 8 [OT] Cellphones (was: Gartners crystal ball cracked ...)B [semi-OT]Marketing of VMS (was Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 06:28:17 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  Subject: Alpha lives on in Dell?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0305220528.71850bda@posting.google.com>   & that's what the Inquirer is saying ...  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9622   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:10:06 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 0 Subject: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?; Message-ID: <01KW6YRSU33MAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G While I'm happy that I now have a DSL connection for my hobbyist system G and thus don't have to pay by the bit for traffic, the huge increase in E spam recently has got me thinking about possibly rejecting stuff from G certain networks.  (For now, the alternative of automatically filtering 4 the mail based on content is not worth the effort.)   4 It seems the obvious thing is TCPIP SET COMM/REJECT.  / This accepts (errm, rejects) up to 16 networks.   G What percentage of spam could be stopped by setting this to the top 16   and updating this once a day?   = Would it make sense to increase this to a much larger number?   C What impact (positive or negative) does using this feature have on   performance?  H Has anyone had any success with the more advanced anti-spam features in @ recent versions of HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS?  Any gotchas?   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 06:45:20 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?3 Message-ID: <zJlszsFytrRe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01KW6YRSU33MAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: I > While I'm happy that I now have a DSL connection for my hobbyist system I > and thus don't have to pay by the bit for traffic, the huge increase in G > spam recently has got me thinking about possibly rejecting stuff from I > certain networks.  (For now, the alternative of automatically filtering 6 > the mail based on content is not worth the effort.)  > 6 > It seems the obvious thing is TCPIP SET COMM/REJECT. > 1 > This accepts (errm, rejects) up to 16 networks.  > I > What percentage of spam could be stopped by setting this to the top 16   > and updating this once a day?    Not enough.   ? > Would it make sense to increase this to a much larger number?   H No.  Accepting and rejecting individual IP addresses is required in someI cases, so a _much_ more flexible arrangement is required.  I want one (as / you may have read) that allows for teergrubing.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:48:00 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?0 Message-ID: <00A203BE.EE9A12D8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  w In article <01KW6YRSU33MAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: H >While I'm happy that I now have a DSL connection for my hobbyist systemH >and thus don't have to pay by the bit for traffic, the huge increase inF >spam recently has got me thinking about possibly rejecting stuff fromH >certain networks.  (For now, the alternative of automatically filtering5 >the mail based on content is not worth the effort.)   > 5 >It seems the obvious thing is TCPIP SET COMM/REJECT.  > 0 >This accepts (errm, rejects) up to 16 networks. > H >What percentage of spam could be stopped by setting this to the top 16  >and updating this once a day?   ... but make these permanent   msn.com  aol.com 	 yahoo.com  hotmail.com    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:23:38 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?( Message-ID: <baifga$6nt$1@pcls4.std.com>  / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   x >In article <01KW6YRSU33MAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:  2 >> This accepts (errm, rejects) up to 16 networks. >>  J >> What percentage of spam could be stopped by setting this to the top 16   >> and updating this once a day?  F This is better asked in news.admin.net-abuse.email (explain the 16 netE limit).  However, if you don't expect email from China and Korea, you B can set things up to block significant portions of those countriesH (lots and lots of open relays there).  Most spam arrives via open relays5 now so blocking 16 networks won't help all that much.    >Not enough.  I >No.  Accepting and rejecting individual IP addresses is required in some J >cases, so a _much_ more flexible arrangement is required.  I want one (as0 >you may have read) that allows for teergrubing.  F I have a port scanner taunter/teergrube written for VMS that I plan to# update to a spam teergrube shortly.    -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:30:49 +0100 + From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> 4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?8 Message-ID: <rtepcv4d8kpe4l2gaqorcis5d0jjvc2hve@4ax.com>  C On Thu, 22 May 2003 11:48:00 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   x >In article <01KW6YRSU33MAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:I >>While I'm happy that I now have a DSL connection for my hobbyist system I >>and thus don't have to pay by the bit for traffic, the huge increase in G >>spam recently has got me thinking about possibly rejecting stuff from I >>certain networks.  (For now, the alternative of automatically filtering 6 >>the mail based on content is not worth the effort.)  >>6 >>It seems the obvious thing is TCPIP SET COMM/REJECT. >>1 >>This accepts (errm, rejects) up to 16 networks.  >>I >>What percentage of spam could be stopped by setting this to the top 16   >>and updating this once a day?  >  >... but make these permanent  >  >msn.com >aol.com
 >yahoo.com >hotmail.com  L ROFL.  The problem is, we all have friends and acquaintances who sign up forK these, innocently, and it's my experience that changing friends causes more L grief than changing email filters.  A "white list" will get around this, butJ inevitably you will lose or ignore some real mail at times.  (I managed toK ignore a client's mail recently because he had unwisely started the subject  title with "Urgent"...)      	John    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:52:20 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?; Message-ID: <01KW72F1CMWGAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   5 > > > This accepts (errm, rejects) up to 16 networks.  > > > M > > > What percentage of spam could be stopped by setting this to the top 16  # > > > and updating this once a day?  > H > This is better asked in news.admin.net-abuse.email (explain the 16 net > limit).     D You mean since the 16 is specific to HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS?  G I asked here also because I'm wondering about the effect (good or bad)   this has on performance.  > > However, if you don't expect email from China and Korea, youD > can set things up to block significant portions of those countriesJ > (lots and lots of open relays there).  Most spam arrives via open relays7 > now so blocking 16 networks won't help all that much.   E This implies that the blocking affects the last machine in the chain  B before mine, not the original address, which I suppose is logical.  H > I have a port scanner taunter/teergrube written for VMS that I plan to% > update to a spam teergrube shortly.   I Please post details here.  Will this teergrube ALL connections to it, or  E will it be integrated with a normal SMTP receiver and teergrube only   things from a black list?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:43:22 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?0 Message-ID: <00A203CF.0CCC34B7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <rtepcv4d8kpe4l2gaqorcis5d0jjvc2hve@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:D >On Thu, 22 May 2003 11:48:00 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > y >>In article <01KW6YRSU33MAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: J >>>While I'm happy that I now have a DSL connection for my hobbyist systemJ >>>and thus don't have to pay by the bit for traffic, the huge increase inH >>>spam recently has got me thinking about possibly rejecting stuff fromJ >>>certain networks.  (For now, the alternative of automatically filtering7 >>>the mail based on content is not worth the effort.)   >>> 7 >>>It seems the obvious thing is TCPIP SET COMM/REJECT.  >>> 2 >>>This accepts (errm, rejects) up to 16 networks. >>> J >>>What percentage of spam could be stopped by setting this to the top 16   >>>and updating this once a day? >> >>... but make these permanent >>	 >>msn.com 	 >>aol.com  >>yahoo.com 
 >>hotmail.com  > M >ROFL.  The problem is, we all have friends and acquaintances who sign up for L >these, innocently, and it's my experience that changing friends causes moreM >grief than changing email filters.  A "white list" will get around this, but K >inevitably you will lose or ignore some real mail at times.  (I managed to L >ignore a client's mail recently because he had unwisely started the subject >title with "Urgent"...)  J They're permanent rejects in my filters and I haven't lost a single friendK in doing so -- probably because my friends are smart enough not to use Pee- > Cees or, more to the point, to use ISPs that cater to PeeCees.  H I've been following a thread in comp.dcom.modems.cable.  Apparently, COXJ has had enough balls and has stopped outbound SMTP connections.  Use theirJ service and you need to use only their servers for email.  Too bad many ofD the other "cater to PeeCee" services will likely not follow suit.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:02:02 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?( Message-ID: <baiopa$l38$1@pcls4.std.com>  ; Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:   6 >> > > This accepts (errm, rejects) up to 16 networks. >> > >  N >> > > What percentage of spam could be stopped by setting this to the top 16 $ >> > > and updating this once a day? >>  I >> This is better asked in news.admin.net-abuse.email (explain the 16 net  >> limit).    E >You mean since the 16 is specific to HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS?   H Yes, I'm quite sure it is.  Probably works the same for Tru64 Unix since4 the current VMS TCP/IP stack started out over on it.  H >I asked here also because I'm wondering about the effect (good or bad)  >this has on performance.   B Dunno.  Suspect it is less than accepting spam from those sources.  ? >> However, if you don't expect email from China and Korea, you E >> can set things up to block significant portions of those countries K >> (lots and lots of open relays there).  Most spam arrives via open relays 8 >> now so blocking 16 networks won't help all that much.  F >This implies that the blocking affects the last machine in the chain C >before mine, not the original address, which I suppose is logical.   G Yes.  (Besides, nearly all other headers on spam is forged, it requires I some detective work to find the real source)  Blocking networks like AOL, E hotmail etc. won't help much since most spam doesn't really come from J there, despite what the From: line says.  (Blocking on what the From: lineF says does work if you don't expect any mail from those sources at all)  I >> I have a port scanner taunter/teergrube written for VMS that I plan to & >> update to a spam teergrube shortly.  J >Please post details here.  Will this teergrube ALL connections to it, or F >will it be integrated with a normal SMTP receiver and teergrube only  >things from a black list?  I It is a homegrown primitive TCP/IP stack that teergrubes all connections  I to it. It is smart enough to be ping-able and to respond to ARP requests   but that's about it.  H Right now it is specific to my home setup so as it stands it is probablyG not useful to anyone else.  I have a DSL line to a NAT router (RT314)   I with a PC and a VMS alphastation on the local side.  The VMS system has 2 I ethernet controllers, one running normal TCP/IP, the other the teergrube. I Both controllers are connected to the NAT router.  They have different IP D addresses.  The teergrube's IP address is compiled in at the moment.  E The NAT router directs incoming connect requests to certain ports to  J certain addresses, such as web traffic (port 80) to the VMS system's real J TCP/IP address. It has the teergrube as the 'default' destination, as any I inbound connects to my DSL line to anything other than certain ports are  K assumed to be hostile. As I receive my email elsewhere, it also teergrubes  K all port 25 (SMTP/mail) at the TCP level, but I want to add smarts here to  G waste spammer's time more.  Spammers seem to figure this out and don't  K waste time on port 25.  On the other hand I've tied up some connections for I over a week. It teergrubes at the TCP level by accepting all connections   and issuing TCP waits forever.  G The process that runs the teergrube uses $QIOs directly to the ethernet F device and uses very little CPU time (despite the processor's speed of. 233 MHz)  It is a few hundred lines of C code.   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:59:28 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?/ Message-ID: <vcpsv2gui36k66@news.supernews.com>   F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KW6YRSU33MAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... I > While I'm happy that I now have a DSL connection for my hobbyist system I > and thus don't have to pay by the bit for traffic, the huge increase in G > spam recently has got me thinking about possibly rejecting stuff from I > certain networks.  (For now, the alternative of automatically filtering 5 > the mail based on content is not worth the effort.)  >   D I think the alternative is worth looking into.  I recently installedL SpamBayes which uses a Bayesian spam filter and I'm astounded at how good itI is.  Very little spam gets through and so far, there have been zero false 
 positives.  F I'm using the Outlook version but SpamBayes is written in Python so, IK think, it should be fairly easy to get it running on OpenVMS.   You can get 
 more info at:   ! http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/    ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 12:15:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?3 Message-ID: <NGWiwrbrNOtl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <baiopa$l38$1@pcls4.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:  I > Yes.  (Besides, nearly all other headers on spam is forged, it requires K > some detective work to find the real source)  Blocking networks like AOL, G > hotmail etc. won't help much since most spam doesn't really come from L > there, despite what the From: line says.  (Blocking on what the From: lineH > says does work if you don't expect any mail from those sources at all)  D    Sure it does.  That's how I block all the crap with faked headers'    "from" AOL, Yahoo, MSN, hotmail, ...   D    And I've got exactly one legitimate AOL user who needs to send usF    mail, with the appropriate exception to allow that user.  Big deal:    not.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:22:08 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>4 Subject: Re: anti-spam on VMS: top 16 spam networks?) Message-ID: <3ECD073D.E778F1F8@istop.com>   K Instead of blocking the ip addresses at the IP stack level, you may wish to K look at the TCPIP documentation, in the SMTP section for anti-spam features M which are far more flexible than simply blocking IP connection by IP address.   M My old videotron accounts got perhaps 5 spam messages per day and a couple of J times, right upon receiving one, I would find the ip address of the relay,@ then telnet to it and try to hold the line as long as possible.   M but my new isp has spam filtering, so I dfon't get to see it anymore alas. To L prevent spam, you have to receive some in order to understand how they work,N and more importantly, how they change their methods to stay one step ahgead of the spam-police.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:02:33 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> " Subject: Re: CSWS 1.3 CGI question9 Message-ID: <g72za.5996$c41.636935@news20.bellglobal.com>   M While reviewing my previous posts it seems that I'm somewhat critical of Alan L Winston who is the author of "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU and WASD". Aside fromH the small error on page 287, this is the best book I've ever read on theG subject and recommend it to anyone setting up web servers on OpenVMS. I 7 purchased mine via a click-through on "www.openvms.org"   J I think my frustration with this CGI problem stems from a few other issues like:   M 1. CSWS, like Apache, is locked down which initially makes CGI development on H CSWS a bit more difficult than Purveyor or OSU Server. For example, whenG debugging a CGI under CSWS, you need to "know" the names of environment J variables and use them explicitly in "$show symbol symbol-name" statements: unlike the earlier platforms that allow "$show symbol/all"  N 2. The Compaq provided CGI debugging tool "TEST-CGI-VMS.COM" is incomplete andJ is missing environment variables AUTH_TYPE, HTTP_COOKIE,  REMOTE_USER (andN probably more). When I realized this, I was forced to download the CSWS sourceL code kit then search through it looking for supported environment variables.  H 3. Certain environment variables like REMOTE_USER are only enabled by anJ "AuthAuthorative On" directive in ".HTACCESS" which must exist in both theK authenticated access document directory as well as the authenticated access L scripts directory. This may also require the addition of a few "AuthOverride) AuthConf" directives in file "HTTPD.CONF"   M Now that I'm on CSWS I have to say I like it. I started out with "OSU Server" L which I used for a few years until an OS upgrade to "OpenVMS 6.2" killed it.N Because we couldn't wait for an OpenVMS DECthreads patch, we moved to PurveyorN and have been running it for almost 5 years. We're only moving to CSWS becauseL business requirements require JAVA and Perl, and Compaq (now HP) seems to be' doing a good job keeping it up to date.     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html4 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/csws_tips.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:46:46 +0200 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>: Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here& Message-ID: <3ECC7256.3040102@Free.fr>   warren sander wrote:0 > I think you could do it with XV and some dcl.. > 	 > -warren   O Ok, you are elected volunteer to coauthoring the tool. Quality control is fine  F to you? HUMAN:: procedures respect (is that understandable English???)  O (whaoo, a VMS Eng guy in my list of co-workers... never had this since 1986 :-)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:47:52 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>: Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here) Message-ID: <3ECC8EB8.353F3B47@127.0.0.1>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > ' > http://didiermorandi.nerim.net/decus/ ' > (rough amateur flashless pictures...)    Nice pictures.  A To make thumbnails FROM THE VMS COMMAND LINE on VAX or Alpha, use  Imagemagick.  2 A little DCL will generate a HTML as well for you.   (Shame on you Warren!)   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:30:54 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here0 Message-ID: <00A203BC.8BC486CB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <3ecbee66$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: / >I think you could do it with XV and some dcl..     Imagemagick does it... and more.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 09:21:59 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 6 Message-ID: <20030522092159.32194.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Thu, 22 May 2003, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org> wrote:   <snip>  I >You guys are getting a bit punchy.  Be careful not to swing at the wrong & >people in your highly agitated state. > 2 >Let's end this wasted thread here and now please.  / So... The peasants are revolting.  What's new?    J I appreciate the work of sites like OpenVMS.org, but if those managing theH official VMS sites within HP aren't even given logical domain/page namesM consistent with the rest of the HP site, what are people to infer from that?    5 a)  They (HP mgmt) don't give a **bleep** about VMS.    $ b)  VMS is supposed to be a secret.   K Honestly, if I ever met someone with the words "OpenVMS marketing" on their H business card I wouldn't know whether to slap them silly or eat my hat.      Doc. --  K OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.net K           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 04:56:15 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 ) Message-ID: <3ECC9071.20565115@istop.com>    "Doc.Cypher" wrote: M > Honestly, if I ever met someone with the words "OpenVMS marketing" on their I > business card I wouldn't know whether to slap them silly or eat my hat.   J Or feel sorry for them because they are prevented from doing their jobs by folks above them.   M The problem now is that you can't know whether someone who is telling you the L sky is blue and not to worry is just saying this because he/she is forced toI toe the company line, wether the person is so detached that he/she really N doesn't know/see what is going on, or whether the sky is truly blue, and is is0 us, the customers, who see things the wrong way.  L What is really needed is for a terrorist pro-VMS group to kidnap Carly, giveN her sodium penthotol (truth serum) and record her confession of her true plans for VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:52:54 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 * Message-ID: <3eccf612@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L > I appreciate the work of sites like OpenVMS.org, but if those managing theJ > official VMS sites within HP aren't even given logical domain/page namesH > consistent with the rest of the HP site, what are people to infer from that?  > 6 > a)  They (HP mgmt) don't give a **bleep** about VMS. > % > b)  VMS is supposed to be a secret.   L but the OpenVMS site does have a logical domain/page name that is consistant with the rest of the HP site.   K I don't like the domain name policy inside HP but everyone is using it. The B proliant pages are on h18004.www1.hp.com so they don't get specialE treatment, NonStop is on h71033.www7.hp.com so they don't get special F treatment, the Tru64 server is on h30097.www3.hp.com so they don't getF special treatment. HP-UX is at www.hp.com/products1/unix/operating not, exactly intuitively obvious as a url choice.  L The powers that be have decided that ALL customers when going to sites don'tK use any URL other than www.hp.com and then navigate from there to find what J they are looking for. We all know that this is bunk but they get paid manyL dollars to think of these things and won't be swayed by things like reality.L So the hp domain name policy isn't something I like but it is applied acrossH the board. There are some xxx.hp.com names out there still but those areJ mostly pre-merger and there was a program to shut down those subdomains in	 the past.   8 so in web terms OpenVMS is on a par with the rest of HP.  ? we do have 'jumpstations' like http://www.hp.com/go/openvms and K http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc and I could get more if you think they are L needed. Since the compaq branded prodcuts are going to continue they are notB going to shutdown the compaq domain so www.openvms.compaq.com (andK www.openvms.digital.com) continue to work. The main reason I set the server L up to flip the urls to h71000.www7.hp.com besides the corporate directive is4 to make sure I get consistant metrics from the site.   -warren    --  K --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM) B Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comK 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.com . Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48755    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself *          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:02:49 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 0 Message-ID: <00A203EA.E96D4F6E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <3eccf612@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: M >> I appreciate the work of sites like OpenVMS.org, but if those managing the K >> official VMS sites within HP aren't even given logical domain/page names I >> consistent with the rest of the HP site, what are people to infer from  >that? >>7 >> a)  They (HP mgmt) don't give a **bleep** about VMS.  >>& >> b)  VMS is supposed to be a secret. > M >but the OpenVMS site does have a logical domain/page name that is consistant  >with the rest of the HP site. > L >I don't like the domain name policy inside HP but everyone is using it. The  L Do you like the fact that VMS users are prohibitted from joining and access-L ing the /DSPP program and pages?  Perhaps *you* can clue in the clueless HP  webmasters to this fact.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 18:19:08 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>+ Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1 6 Message-ID: <20030522181908.15623.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  B On Thu, 22 May 2003, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote:  7 >> a)  They (HP mgmt) don't give a **bleep** about VMS.  >>& >> b)  VMS is supposed to be a secret. > M >but the OpenVMS site does have a logical domain/page name that is consistant  >with the rest of the HP site.  J Okay, given the hp.com/go/<somewhere> idea, they're consistent.  Dumb, butL consistent.  My approach, would be to have more memorable URLs for people toI bookmark.  I get the impression you'd do the same given the opportunity.     <snip>  M >The powers that be have decided that ALL customers when going to sites don't L >use any URL other than www.hp.com and then navigate from there to find whatK >they are looking for. We all know that this is bunk but they get paid many M >dollars to think of these things and won't be swayed by things like reality.   K Sue, we need OpenVMS marketing cluebats. ;-}  I think Warren would like one M too.  Throwing flashing balls at management doesn't work - they just lob them  back, but a cluebat...    M >So the hp domain name policy isn't something I like but it is applied across I >the board. There are some xxx.hp.com names out there still but those are K >mostly pre-merger and there was a program to shut down those subdomains in 
 >the past.  # It failed.  The following all work:    http://www.hp.com/microsoft  http://microsoft.hp.com  http://www.hp.com/linux  http://linux.hp.com   J Okay, they're meant to go, and things like http://www.hp.com/openvms don'tN work, but it would be really nice if the 404 page didn't just say "Sorry", butN tried parsing the given URL and using it on the HP search engine.  (If you canK get whoever is responsible for this convinced it's a good idea, ask them touB offer HP's /go/ pages first.  They'll make for better bookmarks. )  9 >so in web terms OpenVMS is on a par with the rest of HP.o >6@ >we do have 'jumpstations' like http://www.hp.com/go/openvms andL >http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc and I could get more if you think they are >needed.  H If you're stuck with the /go/, /go/openvms/FAQ, /go/vms, /go/vms/FAQ and! /go/vax would be nice additions. V  M >        Since the compaq branded prodcuts are going to continue they are notiC >going to shutdown the compaq domain so www.openvms.compaq.com (andaL >www.openvms.digital.com) continue to work. The main reason I set the serverM >up to flip the urls to h71000.www7.hp.com besides the corporate directive ism5 >to make sure I get consistant metrics from the site.e  L People have a problem bookmarking the new URLs, you can't be certain they'll not move around. U  H Anything else that could be done to get more positive listings in GoogleG searches would be great too.  This is one of the reasons why the namingoL convention is _really_ dumb.  I've seen people with no META tags and no realI text on their site get high listings in Google based on the domain name. e  L Amusingly, entering "VMS" or "OpenVMS" on their own gives www.dec.com as theK top item.  The Google cache still thinks that's a Compaq page, not one that/M redirects to HP.  That might be because it (www.dec.com) is referenced in the'> Google web directory.  Redirect to /go/dec?  Have /go/dec/vms,N /go/dec/openvms?  I don't know, but something that points out that DEC quality# now lives within HP would be good. V  J The Sector 7 advert seems to be popped up if you stick in "VAX VMS", thereK might be some way to counter that if /go/vax-vms/ points to the right page,0L and gives a positive summary.  However, getting these /go/ pages listed high? up in Google involves having as many referrers as you can get. F  L I've not delved any deeper into Googlewashing than that, but I'd be happy toK stick all of the VMS-specific /go/ URLs up on the web servers I have accessD to.  a   So far you've listed,    http://www.hp.com/go/openvms                 /go/openvms/doct   and I've suggested,    http://www.hp/com/go/vms                 /go/vaxM                /go/vax-vms               /go/deco              /go/dec/vms             /go/dec/openvmso            /go/openvms/FAQ           /go/vms/FAQA  K Thanks for offering to try and improve things Warren!  I'm sure there are a H few other people could think of other /go/ suggestions, and if there's aJ complete list of VMS-specific /go/ URLs, I'm sure others would list them.      Doc. -- nK OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.netMK           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.nets   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 07:47:07 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #2'3 Message-ID: <CbVc6izrqBOB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3ECBDEB3.4070600@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:h  - > 100 first will win an iPalm64/VMS handheld.   C    A what?  Did HP add a synch program to VMS?  Or DCL to an iPalm?C   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:58:06 +0200M+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> Q Subject: Re: DECUS Lyon 2002 (was: DECUS Amsterdam (anonymous) pictures are here)M4 Message-ID: <baj33g$avk8$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  C "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> schreef in bericht5  news:3ECBD6DE.5040000@Free.fr... > Hans Vlems wrote:  >uL > > The first DECUS I attended happened to be in Amsterdam too, 1984?. It isJ > > quite depressing to see how this show turned out. Some questions about Lyon > > last year:: > > - how was the attendance (size) compared to Amsterdam?8 > > - how many sessions (compared to the 80 we had now)? >uG > My first DECUS was when I used to work at Dassault in 1982... I was ar	 member oftI > the Board, in charge of the tape library. I then joined DEC in 1983 anda quicklypG > become the DECUS Rep. So many pleasures, so many friends, so many wart
 stories...J > Then DECville 1985 in Cannes. Remember? Then DECville 1986 and DECUS the same5 > week, then DECworld... Melancoly, when you hold us!i  I That is exactly what I'm feeling right now. I remember DECUS in '85. WentsE there with an old R12. IIRC it had the 8600 with the plastic doors onoK display. Huge booth, plenty of equipment and VMS sessions on internals thatsG had the main salle in the Palais des Congrs packed. Not to mention thenF Magic sessions. Didier, you''ve got to agree that Amsterdam 2003 was aG mistake and a failure. And if I did not know about earlier symposia I'dS never even attempt to register.?J Having a chat with Terry on Monday and a knowledgeable HP network engineerG (the 5300 family of switches) more or less made the symposium bearable.:  L > According to AssociationHQ, the organizers of both shows, there were a few moreL > participants and booths in Amsterdam than in Lyon. However, there were 125J > sessions last year (see http://www.decus.fr/ then click Symposium, sorry no > english page yet).  ' How many people visited Lyon last year?   J > My pictures (not HTMLed yet, sorry Warren) of DECUS Lyon 2002 are there:1 > http://didiermorandi.nerim.net/decus_lyon_2002/e >rF > As you see on the pictures, I had one booth last year (and two sales
 people) toK > sell VAX/Alpha to IA64 migrations pre-analysis. First day: three visitors  (onlyJH > because I had the 40 Years DIGITAL flag on my wall), second day, none, thirdg2 > day, nobody in the show room but exhibitionists. >6 > D. >    ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 09:25:36 -0700+ From: hobbesnet@hotmail.com (Scott Squires)o6 Subject: DHCP client hogging the CPU, high page faults= Message-ID: <ff921edf.0305220825.4fa271ce@posting.google.com>   E In troubleshooting degrading performance, two things pop out at me atgB first glance.  The first is that a few days ago we ran out of freeE pagefile while a user was compiling.  Our pagefile recovered (We have A free pagefile again, but not nearly enough, so I'm going to add aH second pagefile).c  F However, now the DHCP client is hogging 99% of the cpu.  It has racked' up an outrageous number of page faults.W  E What else do I need to look at?  This is the longest uptime we've hadaF in the last year, since normally the power goes out every three weeks.  D I'm a hobbyist, and my knowledge is rather shallow; I appreciate any help.n   Thanks,  Scottw  
 $ show system A OpenVMS V7.2  on node CALVIN  22-MAY-2003 11:44:55.83  Uptime  79  18:10:54F   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  PagesF 20200041 SWAPPER         HIB     16        0   0 00:31:39.01         0      0F 2021DEC3 EBROCKLESBY     LEF      4      671   0 00:00:04.59      6631    239F 20222645 SQUIRES_2       LEF      6     1733   0 00:00:06.82      5241    512F 20200046 CLUSTER_SERVER  HIB     12       11   0 00:00:00.10       203    306F 20200047 CONFIGURE       HIB     10        6   0 00:00:00.09      4921    170F 20200048 LANACP          HIBO    13       --  swapped  out  --            652F 20222C89 Scott           CUR      5     1365   0 00:00:03.32      2785    512F 2020004A IPCACP          HIB     10        7   0 00:00:00.06       146     98F 2020004B ERRFMT          HIB      8    49653   0 00:02:49.85      1639    128F 2020004C CACHE_SERVER    HIBO    16       --  swapped  out  --            128F 2020004D OPCOM           HIB      7    46665   0 00:01:21.44     10516    134F 2020004E AUDIT_SERVER    HIB      9   120211   0 00:06:42.29     17203    329F 2020004F JOB_CONTROL     HIB      9   351778   0 00:06:32.40     21524    211F 20200050 QUEUE_MANAGER   HIB      9   156969   0 00:19:13.98     16069    724F 20200051 MAMBROSE_QMGR   HIB      8     1057   0 00:00:05.53       958    239F 20200052 SECURITY_SERVER HIB     10     1869   0 00:00:36.70     64592    780F 20200053 SMISERVER       HIB      9       34   0 00:00:00.32      5843     58F 20200054 TP_SERVER       HIB      9   459471   0 00:18:31.41     37655    165F 20200055 NETACP          HIB     10      215   0 00:00:00.59      3481    196F 20200056 EVL             HIB      6       72   0 00:00:00.59      8257	     80  N F 20200057 REMACP          HIB      8      108   0 00:00:00.09       117     74F 20200058 LATACP          HIB     14        9   0 00:00:01.38     11076    120F 2020005A SYMBIONT_2      HIBO     4       --  swapped  out  --            131F 2020005B MULTINET_SERVER LEF      5    33671   0 00:01:03.91      2487    641F 2020005C SMTP_SYMBIONT   HIBO     5       --  swapped  out  --             71F 2020005D MULTINET_DHCLNT COM      4  9642259   3 21:35:08.32 *********  16400F 2020005E SSHD Master     LEF      6     4327   0 00:35:40.46     16126    136F 20200062 DECW$SERVER_0   HIB      7      538   0 00:00:02.92      2874   1450F 20200063 XDM_SERVER      LEFO     5       --  swapped  out  --            436F 20200064 DECW$LOGINOUT   LEFO     4       --  swapped  out  --            477F 202230E9 BATCH_3232      COM      3       94   0 00:00:00.51       874	    448  BEF 20222FAA BATCH_3233      COM      3       91   0 00:00:00.56       859	    414  Bp    C Node: CALVIN                OpenVMS Monitor Utility     22-MAY-2003  12:06:460 Statistic: CURRENT             SYSTEM STATISTICSC                                                      Process StatesoF           CPU Busy (100)                   LEF:     4      LEFO:     2F                                            HIB:    18      HIBO:     4F CPU     0 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 100     COM:     3      COMO:     0F                                            PFW:     0      Other:    15                                            MWAIT:   0uB           Cur Top: MULTINET_DHCLNT (99)                  Total: 32  E           Page Fault Rate (17056)            Free List Size (21554)   F           XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX           XXXXXXXXX                  54K, MEMORY  0                          100   0  F           XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX           XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX         3184sF                                              Modified List Size (2743)*           Cur Top: MULTINET_DHCLNT (17053)  E           Direct I/O Rate (1)                Buffered I/O Rate (0)   d  F I/O     0                          60    0                              150  C           Cur Top: MULTINET_DHCLNT (1)       Cur Top: SQUIRES_2 (0)e    
 $ show memoryo@               System Memory Resources on 22-MAY-2003 12:09:30.27  C Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use   a ModifiedF   Main Memory (32.00Mb)            65536       21689       40996        2851n  D Virtual I/O Cache Usage (pages):   Total        Free      In Use     Maximum F   Cache Memory                      4825           1        4824       41425a  D Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedoF   Process Entry Slots                 43          10          27           6 F   Balance Set Slots                   38          12          25           1h  D Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use     LargestPF   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory        2109952      203584     1906368       56192-E   Paged Dynamic Memory           1321472      895024      426448     @ 892656  F Paging File Usage (pages):                      Free  Reservable       Total0F   DISK$CALVIN:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYS           48          48        1008eF   DISK$CALVIN:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS        10760      -55299       275041  F Of the physical pages in use, 11403 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:33:01 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: Gartners crystal ball craked ... ) Message-ID: <3ECC6EEA.D61CB3CA@istop.com>r   Paul Sture wrote:c0 > Out of interest, what features would those be?  K In north america, analogue still has the wide coverage, with digital havingvN coverage only in highly populated areas and some highways.   Also, analogue isM "standard", whereas digital is split between US_proprietary CDMA systems, GSM>" systems and now the "legacy" TDMA.  K Most "TDMA" providers such as AT&T are migrating to GSM, and this will also I result in a 4th band being created for GSM. The standard 900-1800 for thepK world, 1900 for existing north american GSM and now an 800 for the AT&T and.# its canadian sibbling Rogerts-AT&T.   N What rogers is doing is converting all of it analogue towers in rural areas toM GSM at the 800mhz (same frequency as its analogue system). So eventually, GSMiN will have the "expansive" coverage that analogue cirrently has. Not sure about the USA conversions though.   N And now that the north american GSM market is large enough, we are starting toA see more of the GSM phones imported here, and they arrive faster.   I Unfortunatly, the roll out of GSM on the old TDMA/analogue providers wille< probably slow donw a bit due to the sad sate of the economy.  K Not sure how the CDMA networks plan with regards to their analogue network.oL CDMA is starting to catch up to GSM in terms of features, and stuff like SMSK is now advertised here (albeit, as "text messaging" since CDMA people don'trK want to use "SMS".). Picture and videophones have also arrived, but I don'tt+ think that all networks can handle the MMS.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:53:25 GMT . From: Milton B Hewitt <mbhewitt@optonline.net>- Subject: Re: General Printer on LAN questionse8 Message-ID: <opsocvk3fqlucdqghmna674jdk6s089el3@4ax.com>  H On Thu, 22 May 2003 00:57:42 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Milton B Hewitt wrote:i >> 3 >> Is this it?" >> http://vt100.net/docs/lnx09-sv/ >uM >Nop, that is just the service guide, essentially how to insert the card intoo& >the printer, not how to configure it.   Did you follow the links to  Search Manxe= http://vt100.net/manx/search?cp=1;on=0;q=declaser+5100;num=99s  	 Click on  " DEClaser 5100 Printer User's Guide And follow it to:lG http://www.xenya.si/sup/info/digital/MDS/jun99/Cd3/PRINTER/DL510UGA.PDFO   Cheers,  Milton   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 03:15:28 -0700+ From: luc.verhoelst@idss.be (Luc Verhoelst)i- Subject: Re: General Printer on LAN questionsa= Message-ID: <878a5b54.0305220215.3909e823@posting.google.com>u  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3ECC5899.B6E26525@istop.com>...p > Milton B Hewitt wrote: > >  > > Is this it?t# > > http://vt100.net/docs/lnx09-sv/s > N > Nop, that is just the service guide, essentially how to insert the card into' > the printer, not how to configure it.w  F To reset the NIC in the Declaaser 5100, you should remove the NIC fromA the printer, place jumper J1 in the on position, insert the NIC ,eB power on the printer , wait 2 minutes, power of the printer, place5 jumper P1 in the off position, power on the printer .e4 At this stage the printer has no IP address anymore.@ Now you can use the bootp command to assign an IP address to the printer.  B This printer is rather old, so maybe I find the soft in my archive
 somewhere.B When I left Genicom, I left the software there as well, so Genicom	 should bev able to help you .C Alternatively ask the question to Genicom International , because Ie know the1 software is there and they might send you a copy.r  
 Luc Verhoelsti Printing Consultant ' International Document Solution Systemsv   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:10:02 -0400m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Re: General Printer on LAN questionsa) Message-ID: <3ECD0468.73B017AC@istop.com>h   Luc Verhoelst wrote:H > To reset the NIC in the Declaaser 5100, you should remove the NIC fromC > the printer, place jumper J1 in the on position, insert the NIC ,iD > power on the printer , wait 2 minutes, power of the printer, place7 > jumper P1 in the off position, power on the printer .o  9 JP1 has TP and TN settings, for twisted pair and thinwireA JP2 has "DI" and "EN" settings.  JP3 has "RX" and "TX" settings JP4 has "MAN" and "AU" t   (jp4 is next to jp1).o JP3 is near the thinwire plug. JP2 is near the RJ45 plug.  L I'll try various combinations of the jumpers I guess. What bugs me is that aN COLD RESET of the printer doesn't affect the card. (perhaps one of the jumpers is a "write lock ?"l  E > Alternatively ask the question to Genicom International , because I < > know the software is there and they might send you a copy.  M Thanks. With all the changes, I didn't know who was still in charge. (DCPS is' back at "Digital/HP") right ?f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:01:48 -0500t& From: "Scott Vieth" <svieth@wi.rr.com>0 Subject: Re: Getting into the DS20E Alpha Server7 Message-ID: <J52za.120$jT4.56932@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>c  K Getting into the DS20E Alpha ServerI've got a DS20E at work and been insidee< it plenty of times.  What part of it is giving you troubles?   Thanks,    -Scott8 "Jeff Cameron" <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote in message, news:BAF059A2.89ED%JCam90502@jcameron.com...> Does anyone have instructions on how to open an Alpha DS20E to   Install a card on the PCI bus? Install memory    I 5 Free 15" DCL bumper stickers (shown below) for official manual FAXED oro electronically sent. Reply to CMKRNL@jcameron.com Thanks in advance.   Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:13:20 +0200n- From: "Nebojsa Mijatovic" <nebojsam@eunet.yu>, Subject: HELP /MESSAGE( Message-ID: <bahte9$nj3$1@news.eunet.yu>  	 HI THERE,c  E THE COMMAND HELP/MESSAGE (TO DISPLAY DESCRIPTIONS OS SYSTEM MESSAGES)a  SOMETIMES IT WORKS AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.     4 THE USUAL USAGE/OUTPUT OF THE COMMAND IS AS FOLLOWS:   $ DIR HELP/MESSAGEE %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and 	 placemente
  \MESSAGE\ $t $ HELP/MESSAGE IVQUAL     @  IVQUAL,  unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and           placemente  7   Facility:     CLI, Command Language Interpreter (DCL)h  L   Explanation:  The qualifier is spelled incorrectly or is improperly placed$                 in the command line.  $   User Action:  Correct the command.   Press RETURN to continue ...     IVQUAL,  invalid qualifier  (   Facility:     INSTALL, Install Utility  2   Explanation:  An invalid qualifier is specified.  0   User Action:  Correct and reenter the command.          K BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T DISPLAY THE EXPLANATION, BUT AN EMPTY LINE AND THE: $PROMPT.   $ HELP/MESSAGE IVQUALh   $a          & IS IT A BUG? IS THERE ANY KNOWN PATCH?   THANKS,o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:57:52 GMTt4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) Subject: Re: HELP /MESSAGE. Message-ID: <Q22za.942330$F1.116944@sccrnsc04>  X In article <bahte9$nj3$1@news.eunet.yu>, "Nebojsa Mijatovic" <nebojsam@eunet.yu> writes:) <snip - btw CAPS ARE CONSIDERED RUDE	:-)>kL >BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T DISPLAY THE EXPLANATION, BUT AN EMPTY LINE AND THE >$PROMPT >a >$ HELP/MESSAGE IVQUAL >n >$  M $set term/inq usually fixes this problem - I think there was a thread here in & c.o.v. a while ago about this problem.   <snip>  A _________________________________________________________________>0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:04:02 -0400t From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: HELP /MESSAGE? Message-ID: <OF44358651.4E7AE379-ON85256D2E.005D6121@metso.com>l   By the way,c9 If you receive a message and next enter "HELP/MESSAGE<cr>p= you should have displayed only the help message text from theeB facility that produced the particular error (I think it words from	 $STATUS).rE No need to type in the IDENTIFICATION field.  Notice in your example,tF you got help for CLI (DCL) and INSTALL when only CLI (DCL) was needed.  E From:  "Nebojsa Mijatovic" <nebojsam@eunet.yu> on 05/22/2003 03:13 AMa  9 Please respond to "Nebojsa Mijatovic" <nebojsam@eunet.yu>f   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:-   Subject:    HELP /MESSAGE2    	 HI THERE,2  E THE COMMAND HELP/MESSAGE (TO DISPLAY DESCRIPTIONS OS SYSTEM MESSAGES)   SOMETIMES IT WORKS AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.3    4 THE USUAL USAGE/OUTPUT OF THE COMMAND IS AS FOLLOWS:   $ DIR HELP/MESSAGEE %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, andi	 placementO
  \MESSAGE\ $s $ HELP/MESSAGE IVQUALo    @  IVQUAL,  unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and           placemento  7   Facility:     CLI, Command Language Interpreter (DCL)a  E   Explanation:  The qualifier is spelled incorrectly or is improperlys placed$                 in the command line.  $   User Action:  Correct the command.   Press RETURN to continue ...     IVQUAL,  invalid qualifier  (   Facility:     INSTALL, Install Utility  2   Explanation:  An invalid qualifier is specified.  0   User Action:  Correct and reenter the command.          K BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T DISPLAY THE EXPLANATION, BUT AN EMPTY LINE AND THEt $PROMPT    $ HELP/MESSAGE IVQUALT   $m          & IS IT A BUG? IS THERE ANY KNOWN PATCH?   THANKS,e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:53:00 -0400E' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>h/ Subject: RE: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMSeT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF403FB5E10@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   David,   Re: HP and BEA -  , Also on the HP press release site yesterday:  < http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030521a.html=20   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesq Voice: 613-592-4660a Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)y OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMS   > -----Original Message-----; > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]=20a > Sent: May 21, 2003 9:37 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comv1 > Subject: Re: HP Press Release - BEA and OpenVMS  >=20 >=20* > Got this in my InfoWorld update today... >=20 >=200 > HP OFFERS WEBLOGIC ON OPENVMS, NONSTOP SERVERS >=20* > Posted May 21, 2003 4:50 AM Pacific Time >=207 > Hewlett-Packard extended an alliance with BEA Systemst7 > Wednesday, offering BEA's WebLogic Server software ona0 > additional HP hardware and software platforms. >=20; > WebLogic Server is now available on HP's AlphaServer line-; > running the OpenVMS operating system, and on its Proliantr? > servers, which are based on Intel processors, running Linux ,m? > HP said in a statement. The company expects to offer WebLogice: > Server on its fault-tolerant NonStop servers in June, HP > said.o >=20 > For the full story:k= > http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/21/HNweblogic_1.htmln >=20 >=20 > --=20u > David J. Dachterar > dba DJE Systemse > http://www.djesys.com/ >=20* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/. >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:52:45 +0100mO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>c< Subject: Re: HP's 'Adaptive Enterprise' advertising campaign0 Message-ID: <baio81$sod$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:c > In article <i45ncv4tpfn80mv7itdngstqlnn0su19v7@4ax.com>, jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:  > G >>On Mon, 19 May 2003 13:59:09 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 >><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >> >> >>B >>>HP Invent is a great tagline but it hardly reflects the realityA >>>of HP as a corporation where the biggest single contributor to0B >>>positive share value and profitability in general over the last; >>>decade has been the HP business that puts toner in pots.A >>>. >>M >>Ho hum...  Again with critizing marketing campaigns.  Isn't there somethingsL >>more interesting/valuable to discuss?  I mean, Sun put the "." in ".bomb". >> >  > E > 	That is so passe'.  The latest FAD from the FUDster extraordinairetB > 	is Sun is the "low-cost low-end platform of choice."  Not quiteD > 	a jingle campaign but something will be spun up shortly I'm sure. > > > 	Apparently, the bandwagon now is to jump on re-badged Intel  > 	kit with Sloairis slapped on. > 	 > 				Rob  >  RobR  C You are so so behind the times, we have been shipping the LX50 withmA Solaris for some time, the new x86 boxes are replacements. We ownr" Cobalt in case you hadn't noticed.   regardsy Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:50:40 +0100iO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> , Subject: Re: Hyperthreading to save itanium?0 Message-ID: <baio44$sod$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:i > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<baakm3$og7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...m > 7 >>How many technologies from other processors are goingM+ >>to be needed to make Itanium competitive.  >  > G > In my view it already is competitive. Considering that there are manyuF > things to improve, the future does not look that bad actually. SparcD > is also a good CPU, but I don't think it would be more successfull7 > than the current Itanium, if it was introduced today.g >  > /David  * You wern't supposed to take this seriously' it was a response to one of Bobs posts.3   regards0 Andrew Harrisonz   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 09:31:25 -0700 From: k9jdk@arrl.net (Dave).Y Subject: Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ...  Shape up orr= Message-ID: <bafb6477.0305220831.4592a169@posting.google.com>o  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3ECC32B9.AB3E2EFA@fsi.net>... > Dave Gudewicz wrote: > > O > > I sent the link and a request for comment to Stallard, Marcello and Gorham.l > 1 > May want to include Gorham, Gallozzi and Carly.n > > > Should you get a response, I know you will inform the group.   I did include Gorham.a  F And speaking of Mark, I received a reply from him at 0717hrs this fine, morning, much to the chagrin of others here.  C Also got another reply from Mark on his comment from Amsterdam thatp was posted here.  C >4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users tof leaveo+ >VMS but to allow VMS users to stay with HP-  B This was in the context of people still on VAX and Vaxstations and6 their staying with HP.  Not leaving VMS.  Leaving VAX.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:00:07 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>nY Subject: Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ...  Shape up orlJ Message-ID: <rm7za.209407$M81.200383@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ( "Dave" <k9jdk@arrl.net> wrote in message7 news:bafb6477.0305220831.4592a169@posting.google.com...s> > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# news:<3ECC32B9.AB3E2EFA@fsi.net>...s > > Dave Gudewicz wrote: > > >eE > > > I sent the link and a request for comment to Stallard, Marcellon and Gorham.r > >t3 > > May want to include Gorham, Gallozzi and Carly.e > > @ > > Should you get a response, I know you will inform the group. >  > I did include Gorham.r > C > And speaking of Mark, I received a reply from him at 0717hrs thisi fine. > morning, much to the chagrin of others here. >uE > Also got another reply from Mark on his comment from Amsterdam thatt > was posted here. >nE > >4. A quote from Mark "the objective is not to prevent VMS users tor > leavet- > >VMS but to allow VMS users to stay with HP  >tD > This was in the context of people still on VAX and Vaxstations and8 > their staying with HP.  Not leaving VMS.  Leaving VAX.     Dave,o  A What I find striking about the original statement in Amsterdam byeC Gorham and his subsequent clarification this morning to you is thatmD for someone in Mark Gorham's position to have mis-spoken in a public' forum in this manner is unconscionable.a  F To give Mark the benefit of the doubt and say that Didier's report wasF not a verbatim transcript due to bad acoustics in the meeting room, orE that somebody coughed and Didier didn't hear exactly what was said ato that instant, is a possibility.n  4 But it isn't only Mark, and it isn't only this time.  C Why is it that seemingly every time a public utterance about VMS byt? somebody in HP management, who ought to know better, is made, ahB clarification of "Oops, that's not what we meant to say" has to be issued?.  E Mark and Rich, of all people at HP, surely must know that their words-F are carefully scrutinized by the VMS community of customers and users.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:33:58 GMTp# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the world ... Shape up or 5I Message-ID: <WZ6za.209353$M81.53036@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>p   > Write to the following:- >- > Owns 6.3% of HP- > ------------------------ > Susan Packard Orr 
 > Chairman* > The David and Lucille Packard Foundation > 300 Second Street, Suite 200 > Los Altos, California   94022: >C >E > Richard T. Schlosberg IIIs > President and CEOD* > The David and Lucille Packard Foundation > 300 Second Street, Suite 200 > Los Altos, California   94022r     Found this on the web.......  2 http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/4112039.htm   Posted on Thu, Sep. 19, 2002  " Packard Foundation facing cutbacks8 STAFF, GRANTS TO BE REDUCED BECAUSE OF DROP IN ENDOWMENT By John Boudreau Mercury News  F The David and Lucile Packard Foundation will lay off up to half of itsC staff and further slash its grants to non-profits. It is one of the F most dramatic signs yet of how the non-profit world is at the mercy of the stock market.t  @ The foundation, once the nation's second-largest grant maker, isB setting a new course, dictated by the steep drop in its endowment.C Indeed, its endowment -- which is made up mostly of Hewlett-PackardeC stock -- has shrunk from $13 billion in 1999 to $3.8 billion today.    .....f  E The Packard Foundation could be a really good candidate to suggest HPWD to do something positive with VMS. They certainly have the financial> incentive to do so - they are HP's largest single shareholder.   What to do?h   A) You might want to go to@ http://www.packard.org/index.cgi?page=contactus and write a 1500? CHARACTER (not word) note to the Trustees of the Foundation andhD express your opinions about HP and VMS as customers/users of VMS. OfB course the choice as to whether you do this is strictly up to you.  D If you want to fax a longer missive, call them for their fax number. For a telephone numberD http://www.packard.org/index.cgi?page=annual2001 and click on Part 3B (PDF only) of the annual report. Look at the last page of the pdf.    $ B) You have a stockbroker don't you?@ You might want to call him/her up and find out how you can get aF message to the technology analyst at your broker's firm who follows HPF and then send the analyst a 'heads-up' note about what you perceive HPB is doing with VMS. Imagine if a tech analyst at a big firm got 100B notes from different VMS user companies describing similar things.D Maybe the stock analyst would start asking pointed questions of both@ HP and their VMS customers and write up the current state of VMS> marketing and how that could affect HPQ in their next research? report - who knows what conclusions they could draw. And if onecE analyst at one brokerage company wrote something, then perhaps...likea@ sheep... analysts at other firms would follow. The key is to getA *your* observations into the hands of the analysts so they can doeF their job of asking questions on behalf of the millions of  holders of> HP stock. With all the 'sunshine' laws recently enacted by theF Congress and SEC, should HP management to be less than forthright withC the stock analysts who knows what could happen......  Of course theoB choice as to whether you write the stock analyst is strictly up to you.    " C) You own mutual funds don't you?C They have analysts too. Maybe they'd like to know what you think as4D customers of theirs and HP. It only takes a few minutes to write andF express your opinions, and your opinions are worth listening to. AfterF all, it's a free country, isn't it? (debatable)   Of course the choice0 as to whether you do this is strictly up to you.  A Large mutual funds holding HPQ at around the end of 2002 include:oA      FUND                                            Approx. # of/ Shares> -------------------------------------    ---------------------2  Putnam Fund For Growth & Income        29,690,8885  Washington Mutual Investors Fund          26,700,000d9  Vanguard 500 Index Fund                       25,476,916e7  Dodge & Cox Stock Fund                      19,105,972c:  CREF Stock Account                             15,267,562@  Spdr Trust (spy)                                     14,598,5508  Vanguard Primecap Fund                       12,111,2507  Vanguard Institutional Index Fund           10,977,168s8  Vanguard Wellington Fund                     10,791,7003  Investment Company Of America           10,500,000n7  American Balanced Fund, Inc                  9,300,000t6  Mercury Basic Value Fund, Inc               8,600,0008  Vanguard Windsor Ii Fund                      7,494,4729  Fidelity Equity-income Fund                    7,475,161l4  Dodge & Cox Balanced Fund                 7,288,905  ; (note: 30 million shares is approx. 1% of HPQ stock issued)"    E Who knows what additional mechanisms you may think of to encourage HPhF into a proactive, positive OpenVMS advertising and marketing campaign.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:20:24 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100Aq; Message-ID: <01KW6UW5DV4OAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  < > > > If you cannot find the owner's manual, let me know and= > > > I'll track it down; I'm sure it's on the web somewhere.i > >  > > M > > Yes, a pointer would be great.  My bookmarks are rather out of date.  :-(p >  > VS4000-90:? >   http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/ka490sva.pdfn? >   http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/vaxoginb.pdf  >  > VAX 4000-100:i? >   http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/468aatsa.pdfr? >   http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/466aaopa.pdf   A Thanks, this is a really great archive of hardware documentation!   E Were I to compose a modern 7-wonders-of-the-world list, three of the e items would be      o  DEC hardware      o  DEC software      o  DEC documentation   = (The other 4 would probably be music, the telescope, sex and tG language.  :-)  There was a BBC programme a while back in which variouseC intellectuals (Steven Pinker, Arthur C. Clarke etc) composed their g  own individual 7-wonders lists.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:03:08 +0200 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>*) Subject: Re: need help with VAX 4000-100Ah4 Message-ID: <baivse$9voh$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  8 "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> schreef in bericht  news:3ECBF344.9030208@iee.org... > Hans Vlems wrote:r > L > > A DSW42 is a programmable interface and was once supported by DECnet for WANc
 > > purposes.7 >0? > The DSW42 is a two-line synchronous interface - uses a 50-wayh0 > D connector, exactly the same as a DSV-11 etc. > 2 > There *could* be on in this box, but none of the2 > described plugs seemed to be in the right place. >a	 > Antonio   J Yeah, that's right. I came to the same conclusion when I saw the pictures.4 DSW connectors were usually mounted laterally AFAIK.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:09:28 +0100>- From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com>e/ Subject: New [to me] error showing in errorlog.rE Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA685456A@tahiti.tinuk.com>e  > I see the following in an output file from a DIAGNOSE command;  , **** V3.3  ********************* ENTRY 26180  ********************************    , Logging OS                        1. OpenVMS* System Architecture               2. Alpha) OS version                           V7.3e$ Event sequence number             0.9 Timestamp of occurrence              09-MAY-2003 16:59:49l5 Time since reboot                    0 Day(s) 0:00:00o+ Host name                            MAR000f  : System Model                         1815. ** Unrecognized  7 Entry Type                      120. Unknown Entry Typek  F                                      ** Error during CTR processing of EVT seggD                                      - Canonical buffer dump follows    H =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Raw Event Data DumpiH =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  H =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  $ Entry# (record in file)       26180.  # Entry Body Size:          x00000084s Entry body:   >           15--<-12  11--<-08  07--<-04  03--<-00   :Byte OrderE  0000:    00000000  000B0000  0022FFF9  00000717   *......".........*sE  0010:    00000000  00000020  20303030  52414D08   *.MAR000  .......*iE  0020:    000000A1  F9D4DD34  70800078  60030000   *...`x..p4.......*nE  0030:    00000000  00000000  20202020  332E3756   *V7.3    ........*sE  0040:    00000000  00000000  00000000  00000000   *................*oE  0050:    00000000  00000000  00000000  00000000   *................* E  0060:    00000000  00000000  00020001  00090018   *................*:E  0070:    00010000  00000008  00000000  00000000   *................*oE  0080:                                  00000000   *            ....*     , And I get this message repeated a few times.  , This message is shown after a system reboot.  	 Any help?s   Thanks   Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health [P](44)01295 274388m [F](44)01295 275131  www.torex.com=20   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2003 13:20:01 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(t44 Message-ID: <baiiq1$4in9$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  I In article <q6Xya.226776$w7k.55657@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, & 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > A > Play hardball. Tell your HP sales critter that 10% of the gross E > purchase price of the next Alpha or VMS purchase you make has to beoB > spent on OpenVMS advertising in your local business newspaper orE > there's no sale and you'll recommend that the company's business bee! > given to IBM or Sun henceforth.t >   E To which the most likely reply would be; "OK, see ya around." as they E go out the door to their next Wintel sales appointment.  Wintel selssaE itself, why would they waste time trying to meet your demands?  It isp) unlikely they will even see it as a loss.4   bill  t -- 7J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   6   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:22:30 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>RY Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl  - Another milestone for OpenVMS on Itanium -  FIRST Itanium(t I Message-ID: <G25za.209243$M81.83219@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>B  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messageC. news:baiiq1$4in9$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de... > In article> <q6Xya.226776$w7k.55657@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,' > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:M > > C > > Play hardball. Tell your HP sales critter that 10% of the grossCD > > purchase price of the next Alpha or VMS purchase you make has to beD > > spent on OpenVMS advertising in your local business newspaper orD > > there's no sale and you'll recommend that the company's business be# > > given to IBM or Sun henceforth.H > >  > B > To which the most likely reply would be; "OK, see ya around." as theyA > go out the door to their next Wintel sales appointment.  Wintel_ selssHD > itself, why would they waste time trying to meet your demands?  It is+ > unlikely they will even see it as a loss.6     Ain't it the truth.I   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 08:56:06 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)88 Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - BEA BMQ commit to OpenVMS IA 64= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305220756.18dbdc79@posting.google.com>   B Over the past year or so, BEA and HP have been working together toC better understand the needs of our BMQ installed base and provide a C clear direction regarding the future of BEA MessageQ on OpenVMS. We D fully understood that the outcome of our findings and BEA's ultimateF decision - will impact multiple thousands of BMQ on OpenVMS customers.  D I am very please to say that our inter-company discussions concludedE recently, with a contractual agreement signed between BEA and HP thatMC formally guarantees a BMQ on OpenVMS product roadmap, well into thetE foreseeable future. You can access the following BEA website for moreD[ information: <http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index.htm&FP=/content/products/messageq> C  The roadmap lists a forecasted date for an early release of BMQ on$- OpenVMS IA 64 - for later this calendar year.-  E I wish to thank all of you who participated in the BMQ product survey0@ and who sent me valuable product usage feedback - that helped us attain this final outcome.  D Please do not hesitate to contact me directly or BEA's BMQ MarketingC Director, George Gould (george.gould@bea.com) - if you have furtherT
 questions.  
 Thank you.   Tariq. Tariq Nazeer+ Global Segment Manager (EBusiness Partners)u" OpenVMS Vertical Segment Programs  Hewlett-Packard Company  110 Spit Brook Road  Nashua, NH 03062   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 03:05:37 -0700# From: SY1333@AOL.COM (Sean Yazdani)  Subject: Physical Device Names= Message-ID: <6f1d9079.0305220205.47a875ae@posting.google.com>   D I am planning to restore an image backup of one server onto another.D The tape drive on one is MKA400 and on the other is MKB400. I assumeD the device name will retain its original name after the restore ? Is: there a way to change the device name ? via the firmware ?   Thank you for any assistance.X   Sean Yazdani   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:21:43 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>I" Subject: Re: Physical Device Names; Message-ID: <01KW6WYB8IM2AKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>/  F > I am planning to restore an image backup of one server onto another.  * An image backup of what?  The system disk?  > > The tape drive on one is MKA400 and on the other is MKB400.    OK.r  L > I assume the device name will retain its original name after the restore?   I Device names, unlike, say, queue names, aren't determined by system-disk 6* information but via hardware and firmware.  ? > Is there a way to change the device name ? via the firmware ?   ' I'm not sure why you want to change it.   G MKA400 means magnetic tape (M) on SCSI (K) controller A with SCSI ID 4. H On the other machine, the tape drive is apparently on SCSI controller B.  H I assume you have some code which refers to MKA400 and you want this to : work on the machine with MKB400.  My advice: fix the code!  H You should NEVER, NEVER, NEVER refer to a disk or tape by a name such asD this in any code except at system startup, where you define logicalsE such as MAIN_TAPE_DRIVE to point to MKA400 or whatever.  On the other0D system, change the definition---just at one place, in the code whichE gets executed during startup to define this logical---to point to theAG name of the main tape drive on that system.  In all other code, use theE logical name.   2 I would suggest DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC/TRANS=TERMINAL.  G For disks, this is usually not a problem, since the appropriate logical-H DISK$<volume-name> gets created automatically via MOUNT.  For the systemH disk, it's better to use SYS$SYSDEVICE since the default volume label ofF the system disk can change depending on VMS version, architecture etc.H (Actually, for consistency, I define a logical name DISK$SYSTEM to look 8 like the others DISK$USER, DISK$SOFT, DISK$SCRATCH etc.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:05:21 GMTa/ From: "Alexander Dement'ev" <alexd@gurulink.ca>b) Subject: Please help to find right personyJ Message-ID: <5z6za.237197$w7k.197636@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Hello,  I My name is Alexander Dement'ev. Would you please help me to find a persontI with strong VMS and NT experience. We have urgent and real job request ino Toronto.  2 Here it is the direct link to the job description.  @ http://www.gurulink.ca/AspPages/candidate_/viewjob.asp?JobID=141  : Our client is very picky and would like to find real GURU!  L Please, if you know somebody who will be able to do this job and looking forF the new opportunity, ask this person to e-mail me at alexd@gurulink.ca  = We will be able to arrange an interview within one day or twot   Thank you for help!    -- Alexander Dement'evn GURULINK alexd@gurulink.cao
 416.644.88.55o www.gurulink.cat   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:22:00 +0000 (UTC)e+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)w" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death+ Message-ID: <baifd7$b7d$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  V In article <3ECBC8BA.18D82FB4@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >David Webb wrote:Q >> There are a number of areas - stock exchanges, health systems, lottery systems P >> etc where VMS is still the major player. The Intel chip manufacturing process( >> is controlled by systems running VMS. > O >Your use of the word "still"  reflects an attitude that VMS may not be a major N >player in those areas in the future, as well as an image that it used to have3 >a lot more stuff and this is all that remains now.m >@  M VMS usage has obviously shrunk since it's heyday in the 80s. VMS was designedtM as a system which could be used from desktop to datacentre. Gradually throughoI a number of bad business and marketing decisions it has lost the desktop,o4 scientific computing and other areas to competitors.  L The areas I mentioned above were specifically targeted areas from the latterM days of Digital through the Compaq area. Other areas in which VMS was still ajN good solution were either ignored or were actively discouraged by campaigns toL move to WNT or Digital Unix. ISVs were given this same message and hence theO number of thirdparty applications in these non-target areas declined. Thus many3M companies were forced to move to Unix or Microsoft solutions since the latestwA version of the application they depended on no longer ran on VMS.H  O Whether areas such as lotteries, stock exchanges , healthcare etc will continueoI to be major VMS areas will depend on HP. It's continuing of VMS' previous K owners "stealth marketing" doesn't bode well. The undoubted quality of VMS, L the excellent work of it's engineers and it's reputation have allowed it to O survive and even to be a "cash cow" for its owners despite it's owners neglect.rM However continued neglect must eventually take its toll. Even people in thesetN targetted areas will get nervous about VMS if they never see any mention of it? by HP when HP announces things and mentions all it's other OSs.o      m  K >There may "still" be 400,000 VMS systems around the world. But how many of M >them are actively growing their VMS systems, and by "growing", I mean addingl >new applications to it. >   $ See some of the success stories from- http://h71000.www7.hp.com/sucess-stories.htmlr    O >If you have an existing system and you increase its capacity just to cope with N >greater load on the same applications, I don't really consider this "growing" >your VMS infrastructure.s    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 06:26:30 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death= Message-ID: <7500353b.0305220526.2c0d070d@posting.google.com>i  ' > HP does not pay Oracle for iVMS port.,G > Oracle on the other hand do charge a lot of money from VMS customers.a  D And how do you know ? I used to work there and I know :) Oracle doesB not do ports for free unless its a business decision and VMS hasnt been that for long time.   Mist   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 06:52:39 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death= Message-ID: <7500353b.0305220552.312ed6b5@posting.google.com>   I > Excuse me? Show me *ANY* other o.s. running production databases in theoG > hundreds of gigabytes, even into the terabytes. VMS scales as well orc0 > better than any other or example you can cite.  0 Your arguments make me laugh. Start with these :  
 Try these   T (1997) : http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid13_gci214145,00.htmlE (1998) : http://www.wintercorp.com/VLDB/1998_VLDB_Winners/table1.htmlh! (vms on 7th with sub-terabyte db)4M (2001) : http://www.wintercorp.com/VLDB/2001_VLDB_Survey/Winners/table10.html    And so on. Look at wintercorpsD http://www.wintercorp.com/LDRR_p_complete_prospectus.pdf reports for viewing the scope of systems.m  " > Fade back into the mist, dragon!   I'll see you there :)5   Mist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:55:28 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS deathJ Message-ID: <kF4za.209224$M81.171002@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 "David Webb" <david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message% news:baifd7$b7d$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...-4 > In article <3ECBC8BA.18D82FB4@istop.com>, JF Mezei# <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:, > >David Webb wrote:C > >> There are a number of areas - stock exchanges, health systems,M lottery systems(< > >> etc where VMS is still the major player. The Intel chip manufacturing processE* > >> is controlled by systems running VMS. > > F > >Your use of the word "still"  reflects an attitude that VMS may not
 be a majorC > >player in those areas in the future, as well as an image that itI used to have5 > >a lot more stuff and this is all that remains now.n > >d > F > VMS usage has obviously shrunk since it's heyday in the 80s. VMS was designed= > as a system which could be used from desktop to datacentre.o Gradually through B > a number of bad business and marketing decisions it has lost the desktop,6 > scientific computing and other areas to competitors. > C > The areas I mentioned above were specifically targeted areas fromd
 the latterC > days of Digital through the Compaq area. Other areas in which VMS  was still aEC > good solution were either ignored or were actively discouraged by  campaigns toD > move to WNT or Digital Unix. ISVs were given this same message and	 hence theH= > number of thirdparty applications in these non-target areas0 declined. Thus manymD > companies were forced to move to Unix or Microsoft solutions since
 the latestC > version of the application they depended on no longer ran on VMS.1 >wC > Whether areas such as lotteries, stock exchanges , healthcare etc 
 will continueNB > to be major VMS areas will depend on HP. It's continuing of VMS' previousE > owners "stealth marketing" doesn't bode well. The undoubted qualityt of VMS, ? > the excellent work of it's engineers and it's reputation have 
 allowed it toaA > survive and even to be a "cash cow" for its owners despite it's_ owners neglect._F > However continued neglect must eventually take its toll. Even people in theseB > targetted areas will get nervous about VMS if they never see any
 mention of it2A > by HP when HP announces things and mentions all it's other OSs.R >H >  >S >EE > >There may "still" be 400,000 VMS systems around the world. But howy many ofcC > >them are actively growing their VMS systems, and by "growing", Iu mean addinga > >new applications to it. > >o >h& > See some of the success stories from/ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/sucess-stories.htmle    D Click the link above and get.......a 404 error...That doesn't happen7 when people go looking for linux info on HP's web site.e  D As Pink Floyd might have penned..."All in all it's just another nail in the coffin."r  F ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---C   page not found  F The requested document "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/sucess-stories.html" was not found on this server.G  : Please start at the main page of the OpenVMS systems site.  *  go to the OpenVMS systems site main page    D It's possible you typed the address incorrectly, or that the page no longer exists.  F As an option, you may visit any of the links below or to the right for< information about products, solutions, services and support.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:05:24 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death, Message-ID: <3eccf8fd$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  / All it really means is that folks can't spell..oJ success is spelled success not sucess therefore golly-gee if you type in a# bad url you get the bad-url messagel  K the real url is http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html (notice that 1 it is in the left nav of EVERY page on the site).A  K John..try looking before you decide that a typo on your end means a company  has decided to kill a product.  L and btw.. if you search for linux on hp you get 7,747 results. If you search7 for OpenVMS you get 12,746 results. hp-ux you get 7,014pL so OpenVMS is will represented. and finally finding OpenVMS is only 2 clicksL off the hp.com home page. select 'software tools' and then OpenVMS. (btw theL 'software tools' name is just some testing that's being done to help fix theH problem that 95% of the folks who hit 'software' type links off the homeE page are looking for drivers (you would thing they would just hit thegE 'drivers' link) that's why the big drivers image on the left nav etc.r   -warrenp   --  K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------O7 Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM)tB Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comK 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.comn. Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48755    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfM*          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------E         > > ( > > See some of the success stories from1 > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/sucess-stories.html  >t >mF > Click the link above and get.......a 404 error...That doesn't happen9 > when people go looking for linux info on HP's web site.r > F > As Pink Floyd might have penned..."All in all it's just another nail > in the coffin."h >oH > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---i >u > page not found >0H > The requested document "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/sucess-stories.html" > was not found on this server.2 > < > Please start at the main page of the OpenVMS systems site. >/, >  go to the OpenVMS systems site main page >: > F > It's possible you typed the address incorrectly, or that the page no > longer exists. > H > As an option, you may visit any of the links below or to the right for> > information about products, solutions, services and support. >e >d >t   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:11:12 +0000 (UTC)t+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)0" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death+ Message-ID: <baisr0$cdp$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>2  p In article <kF4za.209224$M81.171002@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >>9 >"David Webb" <david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in messagea' >> See some of the success stories from 1 >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/sucess-stories.html a >  > E >Click the link above and get.......a 404 error...That doesn't happene8 >when people go looking for linux info on HP's web site. >tE >As Pink Floyd might have penned..."All in all it's just another nails >in the coffin." >u  A Sorry my fault I copied the link down slightly incorrectly try :-a    / http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html t    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    G >----------------------------------------------------------------------A >--- >, >page not foundw > G >The requested document "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/sucess-stories.html"o >was not found on this server. >d; >Please start at the main page of the OpenVMS systems site.  >e+ > go to the OpenVMS systems site main page  >r >oE >It's possible you typed the address incorrectly, or that the page no- >longer exists.- >-G >As an option, you may visit any of the links below or to the right for = >information about products, solutions, services and support.R >H >r >e   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 12:19:15 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death3 Message-ID: <$0C7$Grl0YJZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  [ In article <3ECC28F3.BBB139D4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:t > I > Excuse me? Show me *ANY* other o.s. running production databases in theoG > hundreds of gigabytes, even into the terabytes. VMS scales as well orl0 > better than any other or example you can cite.  H    Since the point of the Altavista search engine was originally to showD    how well a RAM resident terabyte Oracle data base ran on an early6    Alpha under OSF/1, that's kind of easy to disprove.  F    Altavista, Yahoo, ... how many are now running the Altavista search
    engine?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:27:16 -0400H* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death) Message-ID: <3ECD0871.9A26637C@istop.com>e   mist dragon wrote:F > And how do you know ? I used to work there and I know :) Oracle doesD > not do ports for free unless its a business decision and VMS hasnt > been that for long time.  K And Microsoft doesn't do ports to other platforms "for free" unless it is ay# business/strategic decision either.I  H If you have what appears to be a winning platform with active marketing,N growth, great potential, then Oracle, Microsoft and others won't need what areL essentially bribes to port to that platform because they will see the profit in porting to it.a  K But of you have a dying platform with no marketing and customers leaving ineN droves, then Oracle, Microsoft will only agree to port or continued support if4 the manufacturer of the hardware pays for  the port.  K What is interesting is that Intel has had to resort to what are essentially-N bribes to convince some vendors to port to IA64 because IA64 just doesn't sell
 by itself.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:34:54 +1200p& From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> Subject: RE: RDB v?:  ODBC???eI Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF01AACE74@exchsvr.fsc.com.fj>5   ***********************gt Your mail has been scanned by Trend InterScan Message Scanning Suite. There were no viruses detected in this e-mail. ***********-***********     " it shud be on Oracle RDb Server CD     -----Original Message-----/ From: Alder [mailto:MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com]o% Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:15 AMh To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comk Subject: Re: RDB v?: ODBC???    F I think what you're after on the server side is Oracle's SQL/Services,J preferably of the same version as your Rdb database software.  If you haveL the downloadable version of Rdb from the Oracle Technology Network site, youF will already have SQL/Services.  Look for the file SQLSRVAMVF070.A and install it with VMSINSTALr     Alder     J "j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in message' news:baggbf$pl4$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu... J > >In article <3eca9568_3@newsfeed>, "Ron Milen" <milenronald@mailbag.net> writes:t > >>F > >>"j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" <jlw@psulias.psu.edu> wrote in messagec, > >>news:baduii$12lq$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...J > >>> We have RDB running on our OpenVMS v7.2-1h1 system.  Nobody seems toH > >>> know what release of RDB we've got, but there are manuals for v7.04 > >>> present so it ought to be at least that level. > >>>dF > >>> 2) DOES any given release of RDB have ODBC interfaces available,C > >>> such that I can allow authorized users to access the database F > >>> from an ODBC-compliant program, like MS-Access?  If only certain > >>> releases, which ones?c > >>>nC > >>Yes, here's the documentation from Oracle which can be found at,D > >>http://otn.oracle.com/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb_odbc/content.html. > >>- > >>      Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb v3.0.2.6a > >>F > >>      The Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb enables Microsoft[R] Windows, WindowsyJ > >>95[R], Windows NT[R] and Windows XP[R] applications that implement theJ > >>Microsoft Open Database Connectivity (ODBC) API to read from and write toF > >>Oracle Rdb databases and database accessible through the Oracle DB" > >>Integrator family of gateways. >e> > Several individuals suggested this resource, but before I goB > too deeply into it, I have to say that this looks like the MS PCB > side of things, not the VMS side of things.  As I understand it,D > any tool like MS-Windows/MS-Access or the Oracle agent or whateverD > ought to already have the PC side of things.  What of the VMS sideD > of things?  When I look at the Oracle website this is what I find;B > when I look at the source one responder suggested, I see lots of8 > 3rd party tools, only one clearly FOR VMS by its name. >S@ > If I have RDB installed (v7.0-6, by the way, thanks to all who@ > gave hints on that), and a TCP/IP stack (Multinet in my case),; > do I not already have the tools for the VMS side of ODBC?o >u@ > Or am I going to find the VMS side buried deep inside these MS- > -specific .ZIP files in the above citation?f >wH > +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag	 tapes"--+tB > | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance") InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu> > | Systems Design Specialist - Lead AT&T:      (814) 865-1818: > | Digital Library Technologies FAX:       (814) 863-35600 > | 3 Paterno Library "I'd rather be dancing..."C > | Penn State University     A host is a host from coast to coast,aG > | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's  closeeE > | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>     Unless the host that isn't closee< > | EMail Professional since 1978     Is busy, hung or dead.A > +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take hist wallet."-------+; >                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 4 > <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>L > <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> > -- /"\ > \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGNx > X AGAINST HTML MAILn > / \r >t   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 07:20:36 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org" Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File3 Message-ID: <mODFWaBEYBFV@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  m In article <d6405963.0305211309.64106693@posting.google.com>, maneesh_jain@hotmail.com (Maneesh Jain) writes:o > Hi,P > G > In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone gived- > me a sample program that does this? Thanks.i  / $! PROGRAM.COM -- program to read an ASCII filen
 $	TYPE 'p1 $	EXIT $STATUS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:29:23 -0400P* From: "Stewart, Bill" <wjs-corp@Kaman.com>" Subject: RE: Reading an ASCII File< Message-ID: <1E4B06029E11D211B47C0000F8207F4D01B9F8E6@ESKC2>   ->-----Original Message-----B ->From: briggs@encompasserve.org [mailto:briggs@encompasserve.org]& ->Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:21 AM ->To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com.$ ->Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File -> ->@ ->In article <d6405963.0305211309.64106693@posting.google.com>, 1 ->maneesh_jain@hotmail.com (Maneesh Jain) writes:s ->> Hi,h ->> = ->> In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can h ->someone give/ ->> me a sample program that does this? Thanks.l $! $ open inp1/read a.a $ loop:.& $   read/end_of_file=done inp1 in_addr $! do some stuff herea
 $   goto loopy $ done:o $   close inp1 $   exit   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 07:50:46 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File3 Message-ID: <Sb8nPY$WpT7D@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  m In article <d6405963.0305211309.64106693@posting.google.com>, maneesh_jain@hotmail.com (Maneesh Jain) writes:c > Hi,t > G > In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone give - > me a sample program that does this? Thanks.   -    What do you usually do, read EBCDIC files?-   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 07:51:34 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File3 Message-ID: <nwQDG9Gnm1fb@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  c In article <l$C6wYaPzIVZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:2o > In article <d6405963.0305211309.64106693@posting.google.com>, maneesh_jain@hotmail.com (Maneesh Jain) writes:  > H >> In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone give. >> me a sample program that does this? Thanks. >  >     with TEXT_IO;use TEXT_IO;       Obviously not BLISS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:12:58 +0200I+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> " Subject: Re: Reading an ASCII File4 Message-ID: <baj0es$9vrl$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   LOL !   < "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> schreef in bericht- news:l$C6wYaPzIVZ@eisner.encompasserve.org...u? > In article <d6405963.0305211309.64106693@posting.google.com>,o/ maneesh_jain@hotmail.com (Maneesh Jain) writes:S >vI > > In one of my programs, I need to read an ASCII File. Can someone give / > > me a sample program that does this? Thanks.l >  >     with TEXT_IO;use TEXT_IO;o >     procedure DEMO isn >  >         MY_FILE : FILE_TYPE;) >         BUFFER : STRING ( 1 .. 32767 );o >         LAST : NATURAL;c >o >     beginn >s) >         TEXT_IO.OPEN ( FILE => MY_FILE,iB >                        NAME => SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM" ); >i8 >         while not END_OF_FILE ( FILE => MY_FILE ) loop1 >             TEXT_IO.GET_LINE ( FILE => MY_FILE,s0 >                                ITEM => BUFFER,0 >                                LAST => LAST ); >         end loop;1 >i >     end DEMO;p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:28:02 +0100s* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>* Subject: Re: SHOW PROCESS bug on VMS 7.2-2+ Message-ID: <bai1mp$ksa@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>o  b "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@PROBE.mitre.org> wrote in message news:bager5$5um$1@newslocal.mitre.org...  D > I don't think mixing 6.2 and 7.2 in the same cluster has ever beenN > supported.  That's OK; lots of unsupported things work, but you seem to have > found one that doesn't.e   It looks like it is to me:E http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/722final/6650/6650pro.html#war_mig_clus    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:46:39 +0100rO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>1< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!0 Message-ID: <bainsk$sni$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:4 > A question to Andrew:a > D > Mr Andrew, I woudl be interested in your opinion(s) on IBM's Power > architecture and its future. >     L > With Apple rumoured to embrace it for its MACos X (getting into the 64 bitP > arena), is it  sign that Power will break out of IBM and start to be used more
 > widely ? > L > Will Power take the high end, while Hammer takes the low end of the server6 > markets, squeezing Sparc and IA64 into tight spots ?  B Power is just a CPU. It isn't by itself going to take the high end" of anything anymore than IA-64 is.  A In order for Power to succeed at the high end IBM need to balancev8 CPU with Interconnect, I/O and of course they need apps.  B Despite what people on this group may think things actually havn'tA gone that well for Power because IBM has missed a few bits of theN jigsaw.n  A At the high end currently the P690 hampered by rather limited I/O*A bandwidth. It has lots of PCI slots which IBM would prefer you toy/ concentrate on but limited bandwidth into them.i  D The P690 backplane has a bandwidth of ~20 GB/s (their faster STREAMSC result uses Memory Affinity which gives you some local access) thisn isn't that fast either.   E And then you get to the achilles heal(s) of the P690 software supportt and partitioning.   E Unlike Solaris Domains and HP's equivalent LPARS IBM's only mechanism.A for partioning P690's is not performance neutral, you can take upo( to a 40% performance hit for using them.  G 3rd party ISV support for AIX 5.1/5.2 is poor and there are some horridDB support dependencies because some apps can only run on a 32bit AIXH kernel because IBM changed the 32/64 bit mixed mode support in 5.x. ThatB and it being very late has led to a lot of holes in IBM's software
 portfolio.  B Finally Power itself may not be that quick, comparing it to IA-64,= SPARC or Alpha when single CPU power benchmarks are done with C 7/8ths of the CPUs in an MCM module turned of so that the remaining0D CPU has 8x the cache is fun from a benchmarking standpoint but givesB you no idea whatsoever as to the relative performance of each CPU.  D That said IBM are committed to Power and they are unlikely to switchB to IA-64, Power at the moment gives them a common platform for AIXG and OS400 which is competitive and which because it shares one platform0& gives them usefull economies of scale.  C Opteron unlikely to squeeze IA-64 at the high end because AMD don't.C have the design wins. What is more likely is that Opteron will kill.B IA-64 by forcing Intel to produce an x86-64 CPU because Opteron is/ killing Intel at the low end in the x86 market.p  ? All the vendors are being killed (Sun,Intel,IBM,AMD etc) by the ? growing gap between single threaded CPU performance and memory.e  @ Sun currently has a plan to fix this (CMT) which if it comes off? will cause all of the other vendors in the low end space a huge1B headache. It remains to be seen if the other vendors are similarly placed.    regardse Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:49:33 +0100fO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>o< Subject: Re: Sparky is losing the race Andrew ... and badly!0 Message-ID: <baio22$sod$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>v= > wrote in message news:bafo2i$o5v$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  >  > ...r >  > 1 >>Humm, being rude doesn't enhance your argument.  >  > N > I only get rude when the target persistently ignores, or, worse, attempts to! > spin, more balanced discussion.x > I > That disgusts me, though not *quite* as much as corporate cHumPaq.  YourJ > disgust me, though not quite as much as cHumPaq.  But, unlike cHumPaq, I3 > really don't give a damn about you.  So sayonara.m >   0 Good news, it was getting very very very boring.   regards  Andrew Harrisono   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:44:46 +0100n( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>4 Subject: Re: system fan failure in Alphaserver 4100.) Message-ID: <3ECCB82E.BD11EF1A@127.0.0.1>"  $ rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espam wrote: > A > One of the system fan of our AlphaServer 4100 has began to fail > > and  even HP Spain is having problems to find a replacement.   A fan's a fan.  5 size, depth, voltage, rotation direction, connectors.b  8 (If the sizes match, the CFM shifted should be similar).  H In your position in the UK, I'd have switched off the system and removed= the original, and made my way to the sales counter of a local + electronics supplier to find an equivalent.c  F My favourite supplier has more fans, potentially collectively shiftingD more air than your average board meeting. Tangential management, now there's a thought...   -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesf nclews at csc dot comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:48:58 -0400t5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>e& Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV on submit2 Message-ID: <CPHMPlzK8=Z8mJp4PG4veO9BiOM1@4ax.com>  / On Wed, 21 May 2003 16:36:05 GMT, "frank brown"t% <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us> wrote:-  I >I get error SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV when entering the following interactive DCL:  >e >$ submit/noprint testsub.comP@ >Job TESTSUB (queue JUNK_BATCH, entry 715) started on JUNK_BATCH >$ sh entry/ful 715n0 >Entry  Jobname       Username    Blocks  Status: >------  ----------       -----------    --------  -------9 >715    TESTSUB    OPERATOR             Retained on erroroD >    %RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationD >    -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation; >    -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, no privilege for attempted operation  >vL >I did a SET PROCESS/PRIV=BYPASS and SET PROCESS/PRIV=CMKRNL but continue to >get this error. >eL >(The job testsub.com runs successfully from batch when submitted by another
 >account.) >l >$ show proc/priva >  >Process privileges:0 > CMKRNL               may change mode to kernel> > SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table= > GRPNAM               may insert in group logical name tablea4 > DETACH               may create detached processes? > GROUP                may affect other processes in same groupn3 > PRMMBX               may create permanent mailboxo3 > TMPMBX               may create temporary mailboxa5 > MOUNT                may execute mount acp functionc5 > OPER                 may perform operator functionsr0 > NETMBX               may create network device* > PHY_IO               may do physical i/o< > BYPASS               may bypass all object access controls5 > READALL              may read anything as the ownero >R >Process rights:
 > INTERACTIVE- > REMOTE >- >System rights:  > SYS$NODE_JUNK: >-H >Anyone have a clue why this error occurs when submitting jobs from this >particular account? >3 >TIA,5 >Frank Brown >Seattle Fire Dept.  >http://www.inwa.net/~frog/g >a  ; You might also check that the identifier OPERATOR points to0B the account identifier code for the user OPERATOR.  I've seen some- strange errors resulting from this condition.    David R. Beatty    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:25:06 -0400Y& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>Y Subject: Tool to display quotas used and limits (was Re: prod install hung - help please!s8 Message-ID: <at1qcvop637memk8plgnalu7cnueukk56h@4ax.com>  N On Wed, 21 May 2003 09:30:11 +0100, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:  F >Looked at the quotas of the offending process with a DCL procedure I  >have: all appear OK.a >dG >PID 202819D2 prc SYSTEM user SYSTEM node EQUUS 21-MAY-2003 09:25:00.24t: >Image: $2$DKB100:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]PCSI$MAIN.EXE;12 >EQUUS   AST BIO    Byt DIO  Enq Fil   Page TQ Prc2 >Limit   250 150 165136 150 3072 300 300000 50  202 >Avail   247 150 165136 150 3072 297 292160 50  20I >WSsz = 12944 quo = 16288 ext = 2000000 pk = 8528 auth = 16288 authext = g >2000000I >Login: 20-MAY-2003 09:02:36.96; CPU time 1.96; VirtPeak = 175200; WSdef n >= 8144r  M Chris, could I ask what you used to produce the output above? If it's a small ; command procedure, can you post a copy or refer me? Thanks.oI -------------------------------------------------------------------------EI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot compI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)pI --------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:36:07 +0200e% From: Harald Pollak <H.Pollak@pke.at>o- Subject: WebServices / SOAP / C++ / DECPASCALtG Message-ID: <3eccd22d$0$27680$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>T  E Doas anyone know if there are SOAP tools for C++ or better DECPascal r exists run on VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:17:40 -0400k' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>t; Subject: RE: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?iT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ED08F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF -   Re: access to OS web sites.r  F Official web site policy (at least latest what I heard which was a fewG months ago) is that all OS home web sites are to be addressed as: (somea marketing reasons behind this)   http://www.hp.com/go/openvms http://www.hp.com/go/linux http:/www.hp.com/go/tru64unixb http://www.hp.com/go/hpux  http://www.hp.com/go/nonstop  ; My understanding is that the Linux site was able to get thenG www.hp.com/linux to work is an exception that someone was able to sneake@ thru, but it was not part of the overall design. Whether it will0 continue to work in the future is unknown to me.  C Try using www.hp.com/hpux or www.hp.com/nonstop ... They don't work  either.o  G I know this approach has a number of issues, but these are not specificn to OpenVMS.=20   Regards,    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantl Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)- OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM2     > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com]=20 > Sent: May 22, 2003 1:25 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm= > Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?i >=20 >=20 > John Smith wrote:e: > > No offense Warren, but just who made the decision thatG > > www.hp.com/openvms should bring up what is effectively a 404 error?  >=20 >=206 > It is a fact that neither www.openvms.hp.com  nor=20 www.hp.com/vms or /openvms6 work, more than a year after the merger. Consider that openvms.compaq.comE redirects to some weird and wonderful HP server name, there is reallyhH absolutely no technical reason why www.openvms.hp.com and www.vms.hp.com couldn't redirect to the same.  F No matter how I look at it, the only explanation I can see for this is that HPeD has made a conscious decision not to fully integrate the VMS product within HP's product line.  A Imagine the medium/long term potential if HP had the VMS hobbyisto	 programme F featured on its front page with some sort of system/method to make oldF vax/alpha hardware go to hobbyists for real cheap instead of ending up in hugelE wharehouses gathering dust. Imagine all sorts of people getting their  handsnF wet with VMS, in pretty much the same way they do with Linux, and then go backe# to their employers and mention VMS.n  G HP has the potential to push VMS far more than Digital because they are E primarily seen as a consumer product company and hence it has a widera audienceH than Digital did. And it wouldn't cost HP anything to feature VMS on its front page.,    F But we all know by now that HP has no intentions of pushing VMS. Where theren is a will, there is a way.  H My question is at what level does the desire to market VMS stop.  I have axD feeling that it stops as low as the Gorham level who may not see the need to H push VMS to a new , wider , audience to gain new customers. Marcello may have< wanted some marketing (and had gotten a token one during the "Renaissance",C but I think his carreer inside HP now prevent him from speaking outo againstH corporate policy.    That leaves Sue to save VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:00:04 GMTw4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton); Subject: RE: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?a- Message-ID: <8Z2za.70610$rt6.26686@sccrnsc02>r  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ED08F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >JF -w >  >Re: access to OS web sites. >cG >Official web site policy (at least latest what I heard which was a fewsH >months ago) is that all OS home web sites are to be addressed as: (some >marketing reasons behind this)  >e >http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsr   This does indeed work!   >http://www.hp.com/go/linux: >http:/www.hp.com/go/tru64unix >http://www.hp.com/go/hpux >http://www.hp.com/go/nonstop  >d< >My understanding is that the Linux site was able to get theH >www.hp.com/linux to work is an exception that someone was able to sneakA >thru, but it was not part of the overall design. Whether it will 1 >continue to work in the future is unknown to me.t   Kerry,  E Thanks for the link; this is the first time that I recall seeing such6N information.  It would be nice, in the future, if HP were to provide some kindL of external announcement when an important change or feature is made.  CouldK you (or another HP employee) pass on this request to the appropriate folks?h  L It would be even nicer if the above-referenced link did not re-direct to theL hp71000-&%*$#, so that folks posting links could keep the "openvms" or "vms"- brand-name out in front of the public's mind!h   <snip>  A _________________________________________________________________90 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"b   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:09:30 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?fJ Message-ID: <uS4za.209231$M81.126942@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message-" news:3ECC5EE3.FE944A9@istop.com... > John Smith wrote:r: > > No offense Warren, but just who made the decision that@ > > www.hp.com/openvms should bring up what is effectively a 404 error? >g >.E > It is a fact that neither www.openvms.hp.com  nor www.hp.com/vms orb /openvms8 > work, more than a year after the merger. Consider that openvms.compaq.com@ > redirects to some weird and wonderful HP server name, there is really; > absolutely no technical reason why www.openvms.hp.com andr www.vms.hp.com  > couldn't redirect to the same. >yE > No matter how I look at it, the only explanation I can see for thism
 is that HPF > has made a conscious decision not to fully integrate the VMS product within > HP's product line. >nC > Imagine the medium/long term potential if HP had the VMS hobbyiste	 programmemD > featured on its front page with some sort of system/method to make oldiE > vax/alpha hardware go to hobbyists for real cheap instead of endings
 up in hugeA > wharehouses gathering dust. Imagine all sorts of people gettingu their handsuC > wet with VMS, in pretty much the same way they do with Linux, andc then go back% > to their employers and mention VMS.     @ Not only on the VMS home page but on HP's home page.....with the headline...o  E "The world's best operating system is available from HP for FREE*....E and it isn't Linux."  D "OpenVMS is the operating system that evey other o/s wants to be but can't...etc..."U  / *free to hobbyists and educational institutionsh? (for streaming video and text-based tutorials on OpenVMS, click0 www.hp.com/OpenVMS/learn)o     But it'll never happen.o            E > HP has the potential to push VMS far more than Digital because theye aredA > primarily seen as a consumer product company and hence it has as wider audienceF > than Digital did. And it wouldn't cost HP anything to feature VMS on its front page.i >oB > But we all know by now that HP has no intentions of pushing VMS. Where thereu > is a will, there is a way.  F There's no will at the stratosphereic levels of HP, so there's no way.      E > My question is at what level does the desire to market VMS stop.  It have aF > feeling that it stops as low as the Gorham level who may not see the need toaF > push VMS to a new , wider , audience to gain new customers. Marcello may have> > wanted some marketing (and had gotten a token one during the "Renaissance",E > but I think his carreer inside HP now prevent him from speaking outy againstc > corporate policy.y  8 How'd that 1970's song go...."Don't rock the boat baby"?D If you had a big mortgage and were sending N+1 kids through college,A don't rock the boat is a pretty sound personal strategy. And it'slD often the same reason why people at *former* VMS shops didn't put upE the brave fight despite best evidence and sound reasons to fight. Why B should they when Digital, Compaq, and now HP did zilch to help the cause.     > That leaves Sue to save VMS.  
 Go Sue so.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:22:27 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>s; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS? J Message-ID: <D25za.209242$M81.199465@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageF news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ED08F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcor p.net... JF -   Re: access to OS web sites.   F Official web site policy (at least latest what I heard which was a fewA months ago) is that all OS home web sites are to be addressed as:m (somee marketing reasons behind this)   http://www.hp.com/go/openvms http://www.hp.com/go/linux http:/www.hp.com/go/tru64unixt http://www.hp.com/go/hpux  http://www.hp.com/go/nonstop  2 --------------------------------------------------   Kerry,  % Is HP trying to be AOL or Compuserve?    GO VMS?    KEYWORD:VMS?   As in "You've got VMS"??  F go/  -  what a stupid concept.  Now ALL people have to know/learn thatD of all vendors on the planet only HP has implemented a stupid way to navigate their site.  E Kerry, just how many prospective new VMS customers do you think triedeD to do www.hp.com/openvms and got a 404 error? The cynical view wouldF be zero, because HP isn't interested in new customers for VMS as it soE effectively demonstrates time and again. How many of them knew of thehD secret code word 'go'? Where was that top-secret info on the HP home! page in blinking Flash/Shockwave?e  C Try www.ibm.com/viavoice and see how effective redirection is done.e Learn from a real company.    D BTW, thanks for the tip. And please find some way of telling all VMS) customers and prospects the same tip. :-)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:45:25 -0400-% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> ; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS? / Message-ID: <vcps4nghibe6e6@news.supernews.com>t  3 >"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messagevL >news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ED08F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net ...w >JF -  >y >Re: access to OS web sites. > G >Official web site policy (at least latest what I heard which was a few-H >months ago) is that all OS home web sites are to be addressed as: (some >marketing reasons behind this). >7 >http://www.hp.com/go/openvmst >http://www.hp.com/go/linuxa >http:/www.hp.com/go/tru64unix >http://www.hp.com/go/hpux >http://www.hp.com/go/nonstopH >   D This is nice but, is there some reason why http://www.hp.com/openvmsH shouldn't would as well?  It's not difficult to make them both work.  InG fact, they should make /openvms, /vms, /mvs, /tru64, /true64, /decunix, : /hp-ux and, /nsk all work.  It just isn't that hard to do.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:16:02 -0400a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>; Subject: Re: Where's the equivalent HP sponsorship for VMS?s) Message-ID: <3ECD05D0.7C165530@istop.com>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: > http://www.hp.com/go/openvms > http://www.hp.com/go/linux > http:/www.hp.com/go/tru64unixo > http://www.hp.com/go/hpuxi > http://www.hp.com/go/nonstop  B fair enough. At least they have so far kept the openvms.compaq.com  L They should take the "GO" off. Or just have the OS name instead of WWW which@ gives each OS an apparence of having its own dedicated web site.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:41:38 +0100m+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> L Subject: Re: Why subtract 2 from the exponent in G_float to IEEE conversion?8 Message-ID: <jm9pcvcgml7uk4f1766d85dv7qopungrlb@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 21 May 2003 21:10:24 GMT, "Troy Makaro" <troy@makaro.com> wrote:  L >I found out that by swapping bytes and subtracting 2 from the exponent partM >I could convert g_float to IEEE. My question is why do I have to do this???? L >Are there any situations where this would fail? I notice it chokes when all >bytes are zero.   Two reasons:L 1. The exponent bias for G_FLOAT is 1024, whereas for IEEE double precision, it is 1023.vI 2. The "hidden" bit in the fraction is on different sides of the "decimal-L point".  D_FLOAT is normalized to 0.1f and only f is stored, whereas IEEE is! normalised to 1.f, with f stored.o  J Take these two factors together and you will see that the G_FLOAT exponentF is higher by 2.  An exponent value of 0 is a special case in all "Vax"H floating point formats - the data value is 0 if the sign-bit is 0, and aJ reserved operarand if it is 1.  Reserved operands cause instruction faultsG when used in floating-point instructions.  I think most operations thatsF underflow to 0 will actually zero all bits, but the definition of 0 is wider.     	John-   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 06:39:54 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)$A Subject: [OT] Cellphones (was: Gartners crystal ball cracked ...)33 Message-ID: <EPl8wVnQI5$l@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  U In article <PbYXg9Q2AKmW@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:he > In article <5+lgA5$a$7h8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:rW >> In article <3ECB3178.48E87EE5@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:y >> hI >>> Perhaps the US is starting to see the analog to GSM revolution, while L >>> the peak may not have been reached yet, culminating in the switch-off of$ >>> the US analog cellphone network. >> eJ >> I have had my analog cellphone since 1984 (I had IMTS some years beforeJ >> AMPS was developed), but if the analog service were no longer available% >> I am not sure I would get another.0 >> AI >> They don't seem to even make newer cellphones with the features I have  >> for vehicle integration...  > 0 > Out of interest, what features would those be?  J Higher power in the vehicle than when used portably.  Handsfree microphoneK mounted in the car (yes, I had it reinstalled when I changed vehicles a fewoF years ago), two slots for charging batteries in the vehicle.  OptionalL beeping of the horn when the phone rings (ok, not useful in urban areas :-).J Handset by the driver, portable unit in the (relatively more secure) trunkH (boot, to you).  Automatic switching to the vehicle antenna when plugged into the vehicle.a   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2003 13:55:54 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>K Subject: [semi-OT]Marketing of VMS (was Re: DECUS Europe Amsterdam: Day #1) 5 Message-ID: <20030522135554.7133.qmail@gacracker.org>s  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.l8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  @ On Thu, 22 May 2003, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: >"Doc.Cypher" wrote:N >> Honestly, if I ever met someone with the words "OpenVMS marketing" on theirJ >> business card I wouldn't know whether to slap them silly or eat my hat. >dK >Or feel sorry for them because they are prevented from doing their jobs bye >folks above them.  L I discounted that option.  I would not expect anyone working in marketing toM really want to stay in a job where you were not raising the public profile ofB your product.     F And, before anyone thinks this is aimed at any of the HP employees who participate here, it isn't.   M Those who do things like the official VMS web presence do - I think - a greatlN job, but there doesn't seem to be anyone getting stuff picked up by mainstreamH tech news sites.  Asking the people here to add that to their to-do listL doesn't seem fair.  On the other hand, I'd expect them to plead the fifth if* questioned about the un-Marketing of VMS.     <snip - JF plays chicken little>  M >What is really needed is for a terrorist pro-VMS group to kidnap Carly, give8O >her sodium penthotol (truth serum) and record her confession of her true planss	 >for VMS.    Don't be (that) silly. o  K What I'd like to ask is, was there ever any official statement about Sector'* 7's "OpenVMS Migration" advert on Google?   F It doesn't take that much effort to raise the positive aspects of yourN products in search engine results, but when I asked Google for all pages underA hp.com with "OpenVMS" .OR. "VMS" .OR. "VAX", the top result is...m    VAX systemsK  ... services. HP is positioning its support structure to continue to offereC  OpenVMS VAX support at least through the year 2010. Of course ... tD  h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/ - 41k - Cached - Similar pages   >, Oh, and the Sector 7 advert is still there.      Doc. -- hK OpenVMS.  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