1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 28 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 294       Contents:7 Re: A Toughie: Debugging a symbiont under DECwindows... ) Re: AlphaStation 255/500 power up problem ) Re: AlphaStation 255/500 power up problem  Another VMS inquirer article  Re: Another VMS inquirer article  Re: Another VMS inquirer article  Re: Another VMS inquirer article  Re: Another VMS inquirer article& Re: Burning CDs in ISO/Files-11 format Child process - Log File Re: Child process - Log File Re: Digital is still alive :-( Re: Digital is still alive :-( RE: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 RE: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: Firmware Upgrade Re: FREE TO A GOOD HOME  Re: FREE TO A GOOD HOME  RE: FREE TO A GOOD HOME + Re: Global Sections and %SYSTEM-F-PAGOWNVIO & Re: How to make a shadowed system disk& Re: How to make a shadowed system disk& Re: How to make a shadowed system disk& Re: How to make a shadowed system disk& Re: How to make a shadowed system disk* Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached* Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached* Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached* Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached Mailbox  Re: Mailbox  Re: Mailbox  Re: Mailbox  Re: Mailbox - Re: Mirroring Files in real time across a WAN - Re: Mirroring Files in real time across a WAN  Re: Need OpenVMS (any version)3 Re: NT: son of VMS? (was Re: Portents of VMS death) / Re: OpenVMS 7.1-2 and Digital Workstation 600au / Re: OpenVMS 7.1-2 and Digital Workstation 600au , Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Days in Austria Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Printers and LAT questions Re: Printers and LAT questions ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username Re: ps -ef | grep username  Re: SYS$QIOW - Performance Issue  Re: SYS$QIOW - Performance Issue Re: URL change What's happened to Alan Greig ? # Re: What's happened to Alan Greig ? # Re: What's happened to Alan Greig ? # Re: What's happened to Alan Greig ? # Re: What's happened to Alan Greig ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 08:17:55 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)@ Subject: Re: A Toughie: Debugging a symbiont under DECwindows...= Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0305280717.405d3f4e@posting.google.com>   < LOTS of good help here--comp.os.vms to the rescue once more.   Thanks to all.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:36:29 -0500 , From: Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com>2 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 255/500 power up problem* Message-ID: <3ed4db62@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Alan Boyles wrote:0 > Actually they are AlphaStation 500/500 series. > N > The systems never run long enough to even get a blip on a monitor, the powerM > stays on  literally for a half second to a second or so and then shutsdown. > > I get lights for a second on the 2 enet cards and that's it. >  > Alan >  > ; > "Bob Blunt" <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message ( > news:3ed37bb8$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... >  >>Alan Boyles wrote: >>	 >>>Group:  >>> H >>>I have just received 2 AlphaStations (a 255/400 and a 255/500) and am >  > having > K >>>some problems.  When I try to turn either of the boxes on they will very J >>>briefly run, maybe half a second to a second and then shut down.  I wasJ >>>thinking power supply but I find it strange that both boxes do the same >>>thing.  Any ideas ? >>> 	 >>>Thanks  >>>  >>>Alan  >>>  >>>  >>J >>Alan, please explain what you mean by "briefly run?"  Do you have eitherI >>a monitor connected to the graphics port or a serial terminal connected J >>to the console?  Is the console variable "console" set to "serial" or toF >>"graphic?"  Are you getting any display on the "console" or terminal >>after you power the system?  >>J >>Please check your system type.  I wasn't aware that the AlphaStation 255H >>was available in CPU speeds besides 233 and 300.  What does the systemG >>look like?  If all else fails, check the back for the model number on D >>the back, it should be on the same "plate" with the serial number. >>H >>If all else fails, I'd pull all the giblets out except for the minimumI >>memory required to pass POST.  SOMEtimes a dead device can cause enough D >>load on the power supply to keep the system from running properly.F >>Without knowing more about the actual system type involved, it'll be; >>difficult to recommend how much memory you need for that.  >> >>bob  >> >  >  >   I Alan, I saw in another reply that you had tried pulling the system apart  F already.  If you get the same response with the motherboard only, I'd H check the internal fan sensors for crud and dust, if possible make sure F that there aren't any broken wires or loose connectors.  If the power I supplies are identical, have you tried swapping them between the systems?   F The "Service Centers," for the majority have gone away.  Depending on F your status with the local office, you might get someone to help you. / It sure sounds like power supply or fan sensor.   I Just for clarification, we're talking about the AlphaStation 500/500 and  I   NOT the Personal Workstation 500AU, correct?  The AlphaStation 500/500  F is "gunmetal blue" with the plastic outer skins and the 500au is more H like a "tower PC" system.  The AlphaStation 500/500 has a dedicated CPU F fan that has two speeds just behind the front grille on the left.  If G that fan isn't turning properly or has poor airflow, it may signal the  D shutdown.  The plastic front grille can be removed to clean the fan I intake, but it can be tricky to get off.  There are little plastic clips  > and locks BEHIND the front cover you can release with a small H screwdriver and it pops off.  The sheetmetal behind the grille collects G a BUNCH of dust (you might be able to see the build-up by looking down  B in front of the CPU fan without taking the front off) and blocked E airflow can cause the fan to kick into "high speed."  I presume in a  E worst case situation that it could also cause a powerdown if the fan  $ isn't turning or completely blocked.  I I'm not as familiar with the 500au.  I think there's a sensor behind the  E front grille, but I'm not sure if it has a separate CPU fan like the  F AlphaStation 500/500.  There may be a plastic plenum that directs air H from the front of the system box to the CPU.  In this system, I'd again 2 check for lose connectors or a bad airflow sensor.   bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:14:52 -0400 0 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>2 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 255/500 power up problem/ Message-ID: <vd9rh67c6dt341@corp.supernews.com>    It's the 500/500.   G I've cleaned the CPU fan which wasn't all that dirty and the P/S fan is J clear as well.  This machine had been in operation for A LONG time withoutL power down and I understand there is an issue with some of the capacitors in@ this p/s when you have a machine that's been up for a long time.   Alan9 "Bob Blunt" <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message $ news:3ed4db62@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > Alan Boyles wrote:2 > > Actually they are AlphaStation 500/500 series. > > J > > The systems never run long enough to even get a blip on a monitor, the power D > > stays on  literally for a half second to a second or so and then
 shutsdown.@ > > I get lights for a second on the 2 enet cards and that's it. > >  > > Alan > >  > > = > > "Bob Blunt" <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message * > > news:3ed37bb8$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > >  > >>Alan Boyles wrote: > >> > >>>Group:  > >>> J > >>>I have just received 2 AlphaStations (a 255/400 and a 255/500) and am > > 
 > > having > > H > >>>some problems.  When I try to turn either of the boxes on they will veryL > >>>briefly run, maybe half a second to a second and then shut down.  I wasL > >>>thinking power supply but I find it strange that both boxes do the same > >>>thing.  Any ideas ? > >>>  > >>>Thanks  > >>> 	 > >>>Alan  > >>>  > >>>  > >>L > >>Alan, please explain what you mean by "briefly run?"  Do you have eitherK > >>a monitor connected to the graphics port or a serial terminal connected L > >>to the console?  Is the console variable "console" set to "serial" or toH > >>"graphic?"  Are you getting any display on the "console" or terminal > >>after you power the system?  > >>L > >>Please check your system type.  I wasn't aware that the AlphaStation 255J > >>was available in CPU speeds besides 233 and 300.  What does the systemI > >>look like?  If all else fails, check the back for the model number on F > >>the back, it should be on the same "plate" with the serial number. > >>J > >>If all else fails, I'd pull all the giblets out except for the minimumK > >>memory required to pass POST.  SOMEtimes a dead device can cause enough F > >>load on the power supply to keep the system from running properly.H > >>Without knowing more about the actual system type involved, it'll be= > >>difficult to recommend how much memory you need for that.  > >> > >>bob  > >> > >  > >  > >  > J > Alan, I saw in another reply that you had tried pulling the system apartG > already.  If you get the same response with the motherboard only, I'd I > check the internal fan sensors for crud and dust, if possible make sure G > that there aren't any broken wires or loose connectors.  If the power K > supplies are identical, have you tried swapping them between the systems?  > G > The "Service Centers," for the majority have gone away.  Depending on G > your status with the local office, you might get someone to help you. 1 > It sure sounds like power supply or fan sensor.  > J > Just for clarification, we're talking about the AlphaStation 500/500 andJ >   NOT the Personal Workstation 500AU, correct?  The AlphaStation 500/500G > is "gunmetal blue" with the plastic outer skins and the 500au is more I > like a "tower PC" system.  The AlphaStation 500/500 has a dedicated CPU G > fan that has two speeds just behind the front grille on the left.  If H > that fan isn't turning properly or has poor airflow, it may signal theE > shutdown.  The plastic front grille can be removed to clean the fan J > intake, but it can be tricky to get off.  There are little plastic clips? > and locks BEHIND the front cover you can release with a small I > screwdriver and it pops off.  The sheetmetal behind the grille collects H > a BUNCH of dust (you might be able to see the build-up by looking downC > in front of the CPU fan without taking the front off) and blocked F > airflow can cause the fan to kick into "high speed."  I presume in aF > worst case situation that it could also cause a powerdown if the fan& > isn't turning or completely blocked. > J > I'm not as familiar with the 500au.  I think there's a sensor behind theF > front grille, but I'm not sure if it has a separate CPU fan like theG > AlphaStation 500/500.  There may be a plastic plenum that directs air I > from the front of the system box to the CPU.  In this system, I'd again 4 > check for lose connectors or a bad airflow sensor. >  > bob  >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 05:17:05 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) % Subject: Another VMS inquirer article = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305280417.2ec3aba5@posting.google.com>   ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9705   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:40:55 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ) Subject: Re: Another VMS inquirer article I Message-ID: <H%2Ba.264114$M81.83690@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0305280417.2ec3aba5@posting.google.com... * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9705    > The 'Platinum' forums are akin to getting an audience with theF Pope...not everybody who could use one gets one. And you don't get one; unless you know the secret society handshake and code word.   B By way of contrast, the following arrived in my inbox this morning	 from IBM:   1 Realizing the Vision, IBM Roadshow for e-business   @ Don't miss out! There is no charge for registering, but space isD limited.  Visit our website to learn more about this exciting event. Register today at:4 http://destinationsite.com/c?c=833699.156740.0.202.0  > Business models have transformed. Your customers expect you to> react as quickly as their needs change. How can you get ahead?@ With emerging flexible technologies that can be rapidly deployedE and easily implemented for a stronger infrastructure. These visionary B technologies exist today, and they are exclusively featured at the: IBM Systems Group roadshow coming soon to a city near you.  7 To see a complete list of cities and to register visit: 6   http://destinationsite.com/c?c=833699.156740.0.202.1  > Hear industry experts such as best selling author Don Tapscott> discuss how to best meet the challenges companies, like yours,= face. Afterwards, you'll be able to choose from the following  break out sessions:   / *  IBM Services to enable e-business on demand. 3 *  Autonomic and Grid computing: The Game Changers. ! *  Linux: Linux in the Mainstream < *  IBM eServer iSeries(TM):  Powerful e-business with Linux.< *  IBM eServer xSeries(R):  Superior Technology for Intel(R)    applications.A *  IBM eServer pSeries(TM): Make no compromises in your on demand     business.A *  IBM eServer zSeries(R): Providing the foundation for on demand 
    computing. 9 *  TotalStorage(TM): Improving storage operations in your     environment. = *  Simplify your infrastructure with consolidation. The first :    step on the path to an on demand operating environment.A *  IBM Software: Integrating and enabling the world of on demand.   9 There is no charge for registering, but space is limited.     C IBM actually lets EVERYBODY know about which products they offer up : and down the entire commercial product range.....that they@ exist......that they're available....unlike HP, which feels thatA information related to VMS has to be left in an old Coke can at a E dead-drop on a Virginia country road and flagged to only those in the F know by placing a taped 'X' on the 3rd lamp post at a specific mall onD the 2nd Tuesday of a month in which the moon is full during the last= week of the month prior - only if it wasn't raining that day.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:52:02 +0100 " From: "Gary" <gmcd@totalise.co.uk>) Subject: Re: Another VMS inquirer article / Message-ID: <bb2id2$m1e$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>   D >IBM actually lets EVERYBODY know about which products they offer up; >and down the entire commercial product range.....that they A >exist......that they're available....unlike HP, which feels that B >information related to VMS has to be left in an old Coke can at aF >dead-drop on a Virginia country road and flagged to only those in theG >know by placing a taped 'X' on the 3rd lamp post at a specific mall on E >the 2nd Tuesday of a month in which the moon is full during the last > >week of the month prior - only if it wasn't raining that day.  
 Brilliant!    . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageC news:H%2Ba.264114$M81.83690@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > @ > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:857e9e41.0305280417.2ec3aba5@posting.google.com... , > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9705 >  > @ > The 'Platinum' forums are akin to getting an audience with theH > Pope...not everybody who could use one gets one. And you don't get one= > unless you know the secret society handshake and code word.  > D > By way of contrast, the following arrived in my inbox this morning > from IBM:  > 3 > Realizing the Vision, IBM Roadshow for e-business  > B > Don't miss out! There is no charge for registering, but space isF > limited.  Visit our website to learn more about this exciting event. > Register today at:6 > http://destinationsite.com/c?c=833699.156740.0.202.0 > @ > Business models have transformed. Your customers expect you to@ > react as quickly as their needs change. How can you get ahead?B > With emerging flexible technologies that can be rapidly deployedG > and easily implemented for a stronger infrastructure. These visionary D > technologies exist today, and they are exclusively featured at the< > IBM Systems Group roadshow coming soon to a city near you. > 9 > To see a complete list of cities and to register visit: 8 >   http://destinationsite.com/c?c=833699.156740.0.202.1 > @ > Hear industry experts such as best selling author Don Tapscott@ > discuss how to best meet the challenges companies, like yours,? > face. Afterwards, you'll be able to choose from the following  > break out sessions:  > 1 > *  IBM Services to enable e-business on demand. 5 > *  Autonomic and Grid computing: The Game Changers. # > *  Linux: Linux in the Mainstream > > *  IBM eServer iSeries(TM):  Powerful e-business with Linux.> > *  IBM eServer xSeries(R):  Superior Technology for Intel(R) >    applications.C > *  IBM eServer pSeries(TM): Make no compromises in your on demand  >    business.C > *  IBM eServer zSeries(R): Providing the foundation for on demand  >    computing. ; > *  TotalStorage(TM): Improving storage operations in your  >    environment. ? > *  Simplify your infrastructure with consolidation. The first < >    step on the path to an on demand operating environment.C > *  IBM Software: Integrating and enabling the world of on demand.  > ; > There is no charge for registering, but space is limited.  >  > E > IBM actually lets EVERYBODY know about which products they offer up < > and down the entire commercial product range.....that theyB > exist......that they're available....unlike HP, which feels thatC > information related to VMS has to be left in an old Coke can at a G > dead-drop on a Virginia country road and flagged to only those in the H > know by placing a taped 'X' on the 3rd lamp post at a specific mall onF > the 2nd Tuesday of a month in which the moon is full during the last? > week of the month prior - only if it wasn't raining that day.  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:08:42 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>) Subject: Re: Another VMS inquirer article & Message-ID: <3ED4ED1A.5080106@home.nl>   Sue Skonetski wrote:* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9705     Thanks for this link Sue.    Quotes from this article:   N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  O "Having queried IBM, Id ask HP Marketing--or Carly Fiorina or Peter Blackmore  O if the chance arose--exactly to whom do you advertise OpenVMS, and how do you  L go about doing it? I doubt that either executive could or would answer the O questions. Advertising a specific OS isnt part of their job descriptions, and  8 truth be told, I couldnt answer the questions, either."  P "There are reasons that numerous classified government applications run on VMS: K they run, they are stable, and they are secure. The same holds true in the  Q commercial sector: security, stability, scalability, availability, and business  G continuity (a more innocuous name for disaster tolerance) have become   requirements, not options."   N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  P Perhaps if Terry would read his own article, he could make up an answer why you J can market VMS. Or is there a compelling reason why companies, government I institutions should not be told how good VMS is ?? You see, that is what  P marketing is all about, telling your potential customers how good a product is. > However HP is certain this does not apply to VMS. Brilliant !!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:29:29 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ) Subject: Re: Another VMS inquirer article I Message-ID: <Zl6Ba.293248$w7k.75130@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message   news:3ED4ED1A.5080106@home.nl... > Sue Skonetski wrote:, > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9705 >  >  > Thanks for this link Sue.  >  > Quotes from this article:  > F > --------------------------------------------------------------------
 ---------- > F > "Having queried IBM, Id ask HP Marketing--or Carly Fiorina or Peter	 Blackmore E > if the chance arose--exactly to whom do you advertise OpenVMS, and 
 how do youB > go about doing it? I doubt that either executive could or would
 answer the> > questions. Advertising a specific OS isnt part of their job descriptions, and : > truth be told, I couldnt answer the questions, either." > E > "There are reasons that numerous classified government applications  run on VMS: E > they run, they are stable, and they are secure. The same holds true  in theD > commercial sector: security, stability, scalability, availability,
 and business A > continuity (a more innocuous name for disaster tolerance) have  become > requirements, not options."  > F > --------------------------------------------------------------------
 ---------- > B > Perhaps if Terry would read his own article, he could make up an answer why you@ > can market VMS. Or is there a compelling reason why companies,
 governmentE > institutions should not be told how good VMS is ?? You see, that is  whatE > marketing is all about, telling your potential customers how good a  product is. @ > However HP is certain this does not apply to VMS. Brilliant !!    E Terry sometimes has trouble seeing the forest for the trees. That, or 2 he's not going to chew on the hand that feeds him.  E There's plenty of money available at HP for marketing and advertising C of meaningless messages and money-losing PeeCee's running operating D systems that don't put any money in HP's jeans  - just none for VMS.  @ The compelling reasons VMS isn't advertised and marketed is thatE senior management wants it that way. Otherwise they'd be advertising. E Or there'd be verifiable rumors of "just wait til you see the awesome < VMS ad campaign coming in September"....but there isn't one.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:34:28 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: Burning CDs in ISO/Files-11 format 0 Message-ID: <00A2086B.A8E699C7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <NE3AiSmbYNA6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: a >In article <BAF9515C.8DE1%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes: J >> Is it possible to burn CD's in a dual ISO/Files-11 format so that filesI >> retain their VMS record attributes when mounted on a VMS system and be O >> readable by PCs and UNIX systems? (MACintosh would also be desiable, but not  >> a requirement). > G >I believe Brian Schenkenberger has posted instructions on his web site I >for doing that but not sharing data.  That is, there are separate copies - >of the data for ODS and ISO directory trees.   8 The instructions are still there:  www.tmesis.com/CDrom/  G These instructions do require duplication of the data on the CD.  Thus, H only about 300MB of data can be placed on the CD.  The instructions makeF used of freely available software tools too.  I toyed with the idea ofE mapping the data to save space.  Others have done this (David North). * I don't have a URL handy for David's work.    E >At one point DEC had an internal tool that did it with data sharing, : >but I believe they stopped using it due to unreliability.   Interesting...   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:30:22 +0530  From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com>! Subject: Child process - Log File / Message-ID: <vd990g1oa6to82@corp.supernews.com>   9 A parent process forks a child process using  SYS$CREPRC.   K To log the status of the child process in the child process I have openened  a file ( say tdc.log)   G and added print statements to know it values and status during its run.   5 The tdc.log file does not get created. Any Guess why.    Thanks Vivek    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:34:23 +0530  From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com>% Subject: Re: Child process - Log File / Message-ID: <vd9cojcvkbpk01@corp.supernews.com>   $ I take back by query... thanks Vivek  ) "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> wrote in message ) news:vd990g1oa6to82@corp.supernews.com... ; > A parent process forks a child process using  SYS$CREPRC.  > D > To log the status of the child process in the child process I have openened > a file ( say tdc.log)  > I > and added print statements to know it values and status during its run.  > 7 > The tdc.log file does not get created. Any Guess why.  >  > Thanks > Vivek  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:49:07 -0400 , From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com>' Subject: Re: Digital is still alive :-( / Message-ID: <vd9c4qd3savoc2@news.supernews.com>   8 I would have given it to you cheap and gift-wrapped it !   DT   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:42:47 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: Digital is still alive :-( I Message-ID: <r13Ba.264130$M81.95392@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3ED42B40.9B66BE42@istop.com... C > Finally got to the old PC cemetary's wharehouse today looking for 
 memory and9 > SPX graphics board for my 3100. (as well as a monitor).  > E > Last friday, i had gotten there only to find that the folks weren't 	 there. (I ; > had called the day before to confirm they would be open).  > > > So, today, I arrive there. There was a large Digital machine standing on the D > ashphalt outdoors originally from fisheries and oceans canada. But the name: > plate was removed, so I couldn't figure out what it was. > A > There were plenty of  "pizza boxes" on the ground and they were 
 opening them, E > ripping components out and throwing the cabinets into a large mound 	 (probably  > for recycling).  > F > As I entered to start seeking 3100s that I could cannabalise to find the F > boards, one of the employee comes to me and tells me there is a 3100	 outdoors. E > So as I start to open it, the manager comes to me and tells me that  I can't > > take boards out, I must buy the whole unit. Argments follow, including a callD > to the owner at the other place. In the end, the manager says "NO"
 and throwsB > the 3100 back in the group of PCs they were working on. At least they waited E > until I was gone to disassemble the machine and throw it into a big  bin.C > They'll get no revenus from that box and refused to sell me parts  which would  > have generated revenus.  >   > Reminded me of Digital a lot !    # If you'd signed the NDA first......    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:11:40 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> % Subject: RE: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ED0AB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Martin,   . Re: IPV6 and firewalls and holes in general ..  G Also, keep in mind that some of the security analysts are now concerned G about XML and Web Services. They typically use port 80 and scream right D through normal FW's. And of course, guess what the bad guy's are now
 targeting?  ? Fwiw, I suspect you will start seeing the concept of using both B Enterprise FW's and host based FW's working together in many large enterprises.=20   G Also, while not without its own issues, I suspect you will start seeing F more IPV6 implementations - not because of bigger address requirementsB (minor benefit), but rather the enhanced security features that it offers.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM      > -----Original Message-----> > From: Martin Vorlaender [mailto:martin@radiogaga.harz.de]=20 > Sent: May 27, 2003 5:41 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64  >=20 >=200 > Jonathan Boswell (jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov) wrote: > > Hoff Hoffman wrote: 7 > > >   The maintenance of a firewall is a large and=20  > specialized engineering ? > > >   project, and purpose-built dedicated (and commodity)=20  > firewall server : > > >   appliance boxes provide a highly economical and=20 > effective solution > > H > > Your whole argument is rather shocking, since we all thought our VMS; > > boxes were pretty darn secure out of the box.  In my=20  > experience, we are? > > lucky if our firewall solution runs on a unix platform. =20  > Heck.  I know A > > people who pay money to run firewall software on Windows! =20  > How secure is 	 > > that?  >=20F > Not very secure - bugs aside, if people use IPv6. Microsoft recentlyF > admitted that if you install IPv6 on their firewall it wouldn't evenD > try to filter it... The suggested workaround was to use some other > vendor's firewall product :-)  >=20 > cu, 
 >   Martin > --=20 H >                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer5 >  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de H >  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/< >                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de >=20   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:17:00 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) % Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 + Message-ID: <bb2csc$66u$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   p In article <lJRAa.1528$3%.1027@news.cpqcorp.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> writes: >DL Phillips wrote:  >  >>>Hoff Hoffman wrote: >>> J >>>>  The maintenance of a firewall is a large and specialized engineeringJ >>>>  project, and purpose-built dedicated (and commodity) firewall serverH >>>>  appliance boxes provide a highly economical and effective solution >>>  >>  N >> I believe Mr. Hoffmans's post said "appliance" firewalls. I take that to beP >> something like the WatchGuard brand boxes (not a reseller, just a user) whichR >> you can buy on the low end for under US$400.00 for up to 10 client computers. IP >> read his post to say that he did NOT recommend a software solution running onL >> any general purpose system. Also, that such an effort would not likely be >> profitable. > I >The low-end firewall appliances sell in the U.S. for $30.00 and up, and  I >typically have 4 10/100 taps, and the ability to do network translation    >for up to 254 client computers. >  > F >I may be wrong about this next statement because it has been a while @ >since I looked at prices for other than the home router market: > E >There appears to be heavy competition in the firewall/router market  F >right now, and it does not appear that any general purpose operating G >system would be an economical replacement for a dedicated router that   >can handle the same load. >   K Sun seems to do quite well in this market with a "general purpose operating L system".  They have their own Sunscreen firewall package running on Solaris L not to mention all the checkpoint firewall-1 systems running on Sun Solaris  boxes.  H And of course there are tons and tons of Linux boxes acting as firewalls running ipchains or iptables.           
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University        J >Think of a firewall also as a circuit breaker.  Any system can fall down G >to a denial of service attack.  Having a firewall handle the noise of  < >the network is much better than having your computer do so. >  >-John" >malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp >Personal Opinion Only >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:54:14 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) % Subject: RE: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 + Message-ID: <bb2f25$6ar$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4040ED0AB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >Martin, >a/ >Re: IPV6 and firewalls and holes in general ..2 >5H >Also, keep in mind that some of the security analysts are now concernedH >about XML and Web Services. They typically use port 80 and scream rightE >through normal FW's. And of course, guess what the bad guy's are nowr >targeting?e >uK There was a session about this at the recent INFOSEC security conference in J London. Many vendors are now touting their products as "firewall friendly"M meaning that you don't have to bother telling your security guys that you areS9 setting it up as it will just tunnel out through port 80.e= Great for the users not so great for your company's security.T  J However port 80 was only the first round of these products. You can if youL spend enough money stop this by examining the content of the packets passingN through your firewall using port 80. The latest set of these products use portN 443 - the HTTPS port ie the traffic is encrypted so you can't tell it is being# used to tunnel undesirable traffic.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University I    @ >Fwiw, I suspect you will start seeing the concept of using bothC >Enterprise FW's and host based FW's working together in many large  >enterprises.=20 >rH >Also, while not without its own issues, I suspect you will start seeingG >more IPV6 implementations - not because of bigger address requirements C >(minor benefit), but rather the enhanced security features that ita >offers. >  >Regards >e >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.s" >Consulting & Integration Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax   : 613-591-4477s >Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcomf. >    (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  >OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM >| >e >> -----Original Message-----s? >> From: Martin Vorlaender [mailto:martin@radiogaga.harz.de]=20e >> Sent: May 27, 2003 5:41 PMs >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >> Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 >>=20e >>=20f1 >> Jonathan Boswell (jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov) wrote:s >> > Hoff Hoffman wrote:8 >> > >   The maintenance of a firewall is a large and=20 >> specialized engineering@ >> > >   project, and purpose-built dedicated (and commodity)=20 >> firewall server; >> > >   appliance boxes provide a highly economical and=20e >> effective solutione >> >I >> > Your whole argument is rather shocking, since we all thought our VMS-< >> > boxes were pretty darn secure out of the box.  In my=20 >> experience, we areh@ >> > lucky if our firewall solution runs on a unix platform. =20 >> Heck.  I knowB >> > people who pay money to run firewall software on Windows! =20 >> How secure is
 >> > that? >>=20eG >> Not very secure - bugs aside, if people use IPv6. Microsoft recently G >> admitted that if you install IPv6 on their firewall it wouldn't evennE >> try to filter it... The suggested workaround was to use some other-  >> vendor's firewall product :-) >>=20n >> cu, >>   Martinu >> --=20I >>                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmero6 >>  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deI >>  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/i= >>                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.den >>=20    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:38:01 -07007% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>n% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64>( Message-ID: <3ED4D7D9.1090801@rdrop.com>   David Webb wrote:   r > In article <lJRAa.1528$3%.1027@news.cpqcorp.net>, "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> writes: >  >>DL Phillips wrote: >> >> >>>>Hoff Hoffman wrote:s >>>> >>>>J >>>>> The maintenance of a firewall is a large and specialized engineeringJ >>>>> project, and purpose-built dedicated (and commodity) firewall serverH >>>>> appliance boxes provide a highly economical and effective solution >>>>N >>>I believe Mr. Hoffmans's post said "appliance" firewalls. I take that to beP >>>something like the WatchGuard brand boxes (not a reseller, just a user) whichR >>>you can buy on the low end for under US$400.00 for up to 10 client computers. IP >>>read his post to say that he did NOT recommend a software solution running onL >>>any general purpose system. Also, that such an effort would not likely be >>>profitable. >>J >>The low-end firewall appliances sell in the U.S. for $30.00 and up, and J >>typically have 4 10/100 taps, and the ability to do network translation ! >>for up to 254 client computers.m >> >>G >>I may be wrong about this next statement because it has been a while oA >>since I looked at prices for other than the home router market:> >>F >>There appears to be heavy competition in the firewall/router market G >>right now, and it does not appear that any general purpose operating  H >>system would be an economical replacement for a dedicated router that  >>can handle the same load.u >> >  > M > Sun seems to do quite well in this market with a "general purpose operatingcN > system".  They have their own Sunscreen firewall package running on Solaris N > not to mention all the checkpoint firewall-1 systems running on Sun Solaris  > boxes.  F And Symantec's Enterprise Firewall (Formerly Axent Raptor) which also F runs on Windows. All these products work hard to shut down as much of  the OS' capability as they can.k  G My problem with firewall packages based on general purpose OSes is the uH vulnerability implied by the complexity of the hardware platform(s) you I expect it to run on. Not only does supporting too much hardware increase e9 the chance of leaving a hole open, but disk drives die...T  J > And of course there are tons and tons of Linux boxes acting as firewalls > running ipchains or iptables.     $.04 USD adjusted for inflation:  E For home use, I've got a consumer-grade NAT router, which is *not* a gF firewall in the modern sense of the term. I can stop inbound traffic, G but have extremely limited contorl over outbound traffic. As for using vE Linux, the beauty of that (or FreeBSD) is that the firewall team can eI literally compile out everything not absolutely necessary to the running eB of a firewall- but though the net result is better than a $50 NAT F device, it's still not as capable as a dedicated enterprise firewall, D which ought to be proxying HTTP and SMTP, running the RBLs for you, H filtering HTTP traffic based on an RBL and by content, and watching for ( malformed packets, amongst other things.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:42:22 +0100 (MET)p9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>b Subject: Re: Firmware Upgrade ; Message-ID: <01KWFJNL1XKGAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>y  H > > > You already have the latest firmware that will ever exist for this > > > machine. > M > You might get warnings that a more recent firmware version is desired. ThataL > does not necessarily mean that VMS won't boot or run. The HP firmware page4 > for the 3300 series (amd incidentally the 800) is: > B > http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/as800.html > J > That page states: "Firmware V5.8 was the last release for this system. " > M > As John put it: that's all you'll ever see for that machine. FYI, I ran VMSc# > 7.3 on a 3300 with that firmware.aK > It staid up for 120 days; then the lease contract expired and the machinep$ > was returned to the lease company.  G I see that for 7.3 (and presumably 7.3-1), 5.9 is the minimum firmware  E version.  I have a 255/233 and a 3000/600 as hobbyist machines, both gI running 7.2-1 at the moment.  I'm not sure what firmware version I have,  I but both run with no problems (well, the 3000/600 seems to have a bit of aH flaky memory, but this is probably unrelated to firmware).  I'd like to  upgrade to 7.3-1 then to 7.3-2.s  G What is the latest version of the firmware available for each of these  C machines?  Is there a list with such information, preferably in an tF easily digestible form, on the web somewhere?  If 5.9 or later is not E available, what are the chances of running 7.3-1 on these machines?    Anyone done so already?b   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 07:47:50 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)b  Subject: Re: FREE TO A GOOD HOME3 Message-ID: <XXHgubKQctvR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <1030527195925.2916C-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > ? > There are lots of farms in the area; maybe the local electrica> > company is more inclined to put in 3-phase because some farm > equipment requires it?  C    In this reguard farms are more like any small business than justnE    another home.  My grandfather had lots of three phase equipment onmF    his farm.  Also there was a transformer on a pole on the farm, withE    it own emergency cutoff (accessible to the fire department), just f    to serve the farm.t   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 08:53:21 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f  Subject: Re: FREE TO A GOOD HOME3 Message-ID: <C3AJhK15Vuhv@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  q In article <XXHgubKQctvR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:iZ > In article <1030527195925.2916C-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: >> c@ >> There are lots of farms in the area; maybe the local electric? >> company is more inclined to put in 3-phase because some farma >> equipment requires it?  > E >    In this reguard farms are more like any small business than just G >    another home.  My grandfather had lots of three phase equipment onlH >    his farm.  Also there was a transformer on a pole on the farm, withG >    it own emergency cutoff (accessible to the fire department), just e >    to serve the farm.h  J How did they make it accessible to the fire department but not to vandals.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:24:47 -0400 & From: "Daniel Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>  Subject: RE: FREE TO A GOOD HOME: Message-ID: <BCEGLBGJDODLELBJIADKIEHICHAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: Michael Moroney [mailto:moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com]( > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:37 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come" > Subject: Re: FREE TO A GOOD HOME >P > $ > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > C > >I know it used 3-phase power because for several years it didn'thE > >work properly.  (I think it seemed sluggish and less powerful thanlA > >it had originally.)  Then they had someone work on it for sometB > >reason, and he discovered one of the phases was wired backwardsD > >and was fighting the other 2 phases instead of aiding them.  They6 > >corrected the wiring, and suddenly it was like new. >fB > If two of the phase wires are reversed it (the motor) should run > backwards,G > not weakly.  Unless you meant that you could reverse one of the three D > windings (6 wires to the motor), such as hot/neutral reversal if YJ > configured, but then I'd expect the motor to burn itself out. Maybe not, > never tried it.  > -- > -Mikel  K How about just a bad connection. A 3P motor running on two phases is pretty' weak
 and sluggish.a   Dant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:33:52 +0100t( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>4 Subject: Re: Global Sections and %SYSTEM-F-PAGOWNVIO) Message-ID: <3ED47470.27B0757C@127.0.0.1>s   Warren Spencer wrote: # >  PAGOWNVIO,  page owner violatione > ) >   Facility:     SYSTEM, System Servicest > P >   Explanation:  An image attempted to change a page in memory that is owned byP >                 a more privileged access mode. For example, an image executingM >                 in user mode attempted to delete a page owned by supervisor5 >                 mode." > K >   User Action:  Verify that pages referred to in system service calls area3 >                 owned by the calling access mode.m > Q > My question is this:  How do I go about finding what is wrong here?  I have the5L > source for the app being wrappered, but I'm unsure what to go hunting for,Q > being a little light as I am in the Global Section business. Could someone givet9 > me a short checklist of items to inspect?  Many thanks!e   The answer is in the question!  H Don't get me wrong, I'm not an application builder and programmer, but IH think what you need to do here is perform a change mode to whatever modeG that page is in, e.g. CMEXEC or CMKRNL or whatever is appropriate. I'll H assume that the page your accessing, or attempting to access is owned by< bridgeworks, and the remainder of the protection is correct.  ? So there are two things to check, the access mode, and the pagesF protection, but check the access mode first, and it's your application. that needs it. (If I've understood your post).  F (not sure where to guide you to in the documentation discussing access@ modes and page protection). BTW, make sure your change modes areB properly coded, and that you correctly handle any error conditionsG whilst in an elevated mode, and gracefully come back out of the mode totA user mode in your application. This info is in the documentation.i -- r? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:47:31 +0100 (MET)l9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system diskt; Message-ID: <01KWFK65K7NAAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > I asked the wrong question.  Let me try again ... in part, you posted:   Not me; perhaps I quoted it.   >    $ EDT MODPARAMS.DAT >  >    ALLOCLASS=101 >    SHADOWING=2 >    SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1 >    SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=0 >    SHADOW_MAX_COPY=2 >    SHADOW_SYS_TMO=20 > C >    then run autogen and reboot.  The above configuration is for ao@ >    shadow set of 2 disks with "DKA0" being the primary member.  E It doesn't specify 2 disks; SHADOWING=2, IIRC, means that the system pH disk is shadowed.  (I think this is assumed if you set SHADOW_SYS_UNIT).H You can have 1, 2 or 3 disks in a shadow set.  (Obviously, there is not G much point in 1; it's just a starting point.)  It also doesn't specify u DKA0.   F > Which parameter specifies DKA0:?  How do I specify another disk, say	 > DKB100:a > L > Or perhaps I misunderstand.  Maybe whatever disk boots becomes the Primary	 > Member.c  I None of the parameters specifies DKA0.  The SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=0 means that hF the shadow set will be called DSA0.  You specify the boot disk as the * console parameter BOOTDEF_DEV or whatever.  B I've never done it myself, but I think you can specify a LIST for I BOOTDEF_DEV.  In that case, one could specify all shadow-set members, so a? that the system will boot as long as at least one is available.c   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:47:26 +0000 (UTC).+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)u/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system diski+ Message-ID: <bb2lme$73o$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  w In article <01KWFK65K7NAAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: I >> I asked the wrong question.  Let me try again ... in part, you posted:n >e >Not me; perhaps I quoted it.o >h >>    $ EDT MODPARAMS.DATi >> l >>    ALLOCLASS=101y >>    SHADOWING=2h >>    SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1t >>    SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=0n >>    SHADOW_MAX_COPY=2n >>    SHADOW_SYS_TMO=20r >> nD >>    then run autogen and reboot.  The above configuration is for aA >>    shadow set of 2 disks with "DKA0" being the primary member.S >eF >It doesn't specify 2 disks; SHADOWING=2, IIRC, means that the system I >disk is shadowed.  (I think this is assumed if you set SHADOW_SYS_UNIT).rI >You can have 1, 2 or 3 disks in a shadow set.  (Obviously, there is not  H >much point in 1; it's just a starting point.)  It also doesn't specify  >DKA0. > L No SHADOWING=2 means that you are using the current version of the shadowing	 software.h! SHADOWING=0  turns shadowing off.s6 SHADOWING=1  was used for the older PHASE 1 shadowing.  D SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1 tells the system you want to shadow the boot disk.  F SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=n tells the system to make the shadowed boot disk DSAn    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      G >> Which parameter specifies DKA0:?  How do I specify another disk, says
 >> DKB100: >>  M >> Or perhaps I misunderstand.  Maybe whatever disk boots becomes the Primarye
 >> Member. >tJ >None of the parameters specifies DKA0.  The SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=0 means that G >the shadow set will be called DSA0.  You specify the boot disk as the h+ >console parameter BOOTDEF_DEV or whatever.t > C >I've never done it myself, but I think you can specify a LIST for tJ >BOOTDEF_DEV.  In that case, one could specify all shadow-set members, so @ >that the system will boot as long as at least one is available.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:57:15 +0100 (MET)l9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system disk ; Message-ID: <01KWFMPU44UWAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c  D > No SHADOWING=2 means that you are using the current version of the > shadowing software. # > SHADOWING=0  turns shadowing off.t8 > SHADOWING=1  was used for the older PHASE 1 shadowing.  8 Right, sorry.  I suppose SHADOWING=1 is rare these days.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:15:56 -0700v. From: "David D Miller" <ddmiller@raytheon.com>/ Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system diskIF Message-ID: <OF41EF8BC4.647057C9-ON07256D34.00593FDB@rsc.raytheon.com>  D Thanks to all.  Maybe the Shadowing Manual will make more sense now.   dave.n    J In article <01KWFK65K7NAAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig, <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:I >> I asked the wrong question.  Let me try again ... in part, you posted:B >  >Not me; perhaps I quoted it.o >r >>    $ EDT MODPARAMS.DAT  >> >>    ALLOCLASS=101. >>    SHADOWING=2s >>    SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1a >>    SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=0e >>    SHADOW_MAX_COPY=2e >>    SHADOW_SYS_TMO=20f >>D >>    then run autogen and reboot.  The above configuration is for aA >>    shadow set of 2 disks with "DKA0" being the primary member.d >mE >It doesn't specify 2 disks; SHADOWING=2, IIRC, means that the system I >disk is shadowed.  (I think this is assumed if you set SHADOW_SYS_UNIT). H >You can have 1, 2 or 3 disks in a shadow set.  (Obviously, there is notG >much point in 1; it's just a starting point.)  It also doesn't specify: >DKA0. >rB No SHADOWING=2 means that you are using the current version of the	 shadowing 	 software.t! SHADOWING=0  turns shadowing off.76 SHADOWING=1  was used for the older PHASE 1 shadowing.  D SHADOW_SYS_DISK=1 tells the system you want to shadow the boot disk.  F SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=n tells the system to make the shadowed boot disk DSAn    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      G >> Which parameter specifies DKA0:?  How do I specify another disk, saye
 >> DKB100: >>E >> Or perhaps I misunderstand.  Maybe whatever disk boots becomes the  Primaryj
 >> Member. >,I >None of the parameters specifies DKA0.  The SHADOW_SYS_UNIT=0 means thataF >the shadow set will be called DSA0.  You specify the boot disk as the+ >console parameter BOOTDEF_DEV or whatever.u > B >I've never done it myself, but I think you can specify a LIST forI >BOOTDEF_DEV.  In that case, one could specify all shadow-set members, so @ >that the system will boot as long as at least one is available.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:21:13 +0000 (UTC)-+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) / Subject: Re: How to make a shadowed system disk + Message-ID: <bb2nlp$7bf$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>h  w In article <01KWFMPU44UWAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:tE >> No SHADOWING=2 means that you are using the current version of thei >> shadowing software. p$ >> SHADOWING=0  turns shadowing off.9 >> SHADOWING=1  was used for the older PHASE 1 shadowing.  >r9 >Right, sorry.  I suppose SHADOWING=1 is rare these days.S >q  A I don't think it has been supported since something like VMS 6.2.e  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:16:04 +0200t' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>h3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detachedc* Message-ID: <bb25pk$37h$1@news.tudelft.nl>   John Brandon wrote:-J >>It depends what you're trying to accomplish.  In general, a RUN/DETACHEDJ >>command is an alternative to a SUBMIT or SPAWN/NOWAIT command, not a RUN >>image command. >  > < > The RUN/DETACH and SUBMIT will result with the same issue. > A > You could use define/group to set the logicals as one solution.i > B This is what I do now, but I would have preferred a "user" logical
 name table/     i.e. why can we not do : define/user   ????s                   Jouk   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:20:28 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>:3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached ; Message-ID: <01KWFCZ3HPCCAKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   L > >>It depends what you're trying to accomplish.  In general, a RUN/DETACHEDL > >>command is an alternative to a SUBMIT or SPAWN/NOWAIT command, not a RUN > >>image command. > >  > > > > > The RUN/DETACH and SUBMIT will result with the same issue. > > C > > You could use define/group to set the logicals as one solution.o > > D > This is what I do now, but I would have preferred a "user" logical > name table1 >     i.e. why can we not do : define/user   ????s  E You can, but DEFINE/USER(_MODE) is not what you are looking for here!   A I also wondered about this "lack of functionality".  I think the  H justification, such as it was, was the idea that such a table shouldn't I be "orphaned" when the user no longer exists (or perhaps even when he is eD not logged in).  I really don't see that as a serious issue, though.  I One can, of course, define a logical-name table for each user and use it i9 explicitly or redefine LNM$DCL_LOGICAL, LNM$FILE_DEV etc.t   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 07:35:41 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detachede3 Message-ID: <urV3vyGEQsDA@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  T In article <bb25pk$37h$1@news.tudelft.nl>, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes: > John Brandon wrote: K >>>It depends what you're trying to accomplish.  In general, a RUN/DETACHEDaK >>>command is an alternative to a SUBMIT or SPAWN/NOWAIT command, not a RUNK >>>image command.  >> r >>  = >> The RUN/DETACH and SUBMIT will result with the same issue.@ >> rB >> You could use define/group to set the logicals as one solution. >> oD > This is what I do now, but I would have preferred a "user" logical > name table1 >     i.e. why can we not do : define/user   ????A  F Why not?  Probably because it would have been a pain to code and thereB was no installed base of applications with a need for a persistentA user-specific logical name table.  There was an installed base ofpE applications with a need for a persistent group-specific logical namesA table.  Plus, the tools exist to allow you to provide most of thee  required functionality yourself.    A If you put each user in a distinct group and give them all GRPNAMi then you have the same effect.  
 Or you could:r  5 $ CREATE /NAME USER_<some_username> /PARENT=LNM$GROUPt  ( and set protections and quotas to taste.  @ Getting this table catalogued in LNM$FILE_DEV would require someA initialization code at process creation time.  So the benefit mayI not be worth the cost.  A Since shared logical name tables are allocated out of paged pool, % it requires privilege to create them.V   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 08:02:18 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a3 Subject: Re: Logicals Lost When Process Is Detached>3 Message-ID: <3CGZSsI1abM3@eisner.encompasserve.org>9  T In article <bb25pk$37h$1@news.tudelft.nl>, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes: > John Brandon wrote:aK >>>It depends what you're trying to accomplish.  In general, a RUN/DETACHEDtK >>>command is an alternative to a SUBMIT or SPAWN/NOWAIT command, not a RUNs >>>image command.o >> e >>  = >> The RUN/DETACH and SUBMIT will result with the same issue.- >> -B >> You could use define/group to set the logicals as one solution. >> vD > This is what I do now, but I would have preferred a "user" logical > name table1 >     i.e. why can we not do : define/user   ????n  C    I'll assume you mean /username, not /user_mode.  You can.  SincetD    VMS 5.0, you can set up any logical name table you want.  You canG    create a permanent name table by any naming scheme you choose.  Justh<    be sure to copy lnm$file_dev from lnm$system_directory toE    lnm$process_directory, and add your new table name to the process'     copy.  =    The trivial but necessary step is to make sure you get thesE    lnm$file_dev copied and updated at the start of every process that-A    you run/detach or submit.  For the latter, simply do in in ther    user's login.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:46:07 +0530s From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> Subject: Mailbox/ Message-ID: <vd99u44gaobr5e@corp.supernews.com>-  	 Hi Mezei,-  L Is there any way to find out names of all the mailbox available/running at a given point of time.   Thanks Vivek   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagea" news:3ED1C40C.19C03D4@istop.com... > Vivek wrote:* > > SYS$QIOW reads 1024 bytes in one call. > >i= > > Mail Box has max buffer of 2048 and message size as 1024.  >aH > > The time taken by this call is 4 minutes to 10 minutes for eac call. >o5 > During those minutes, is the process in LEF state ?  >d >aG > If you do SHOW DEV MBAxxx:/full, what is the "Reference Count" ? Thatt showslI > how many channels are assigned to it. If you have 2 processes competingc for $ > read operations, this may explain. >gL > With mailboxes and QIO, a message written to the mailbox gets delivered to theo6 > channel who is first in the queue to read a message. > G > So if you have 2 processes with READ pendings, and a appliaction thatp expectstK > one "command" message followed by one "data" message, then process 1 will  get I > the command message, and process 2 will get the "data message" (when it  wouldrH > expect a command message), and process 1 then waits for a data message that. > should have accompanied the command message. >n >eJ > With QIOW, your process goes into LEF (waiting for event flag to be set) untilo > the IO completes. K > If your process goes into some other state, (especially one starting witho2 > RW___) it means that there is a serious problem. >nL > Does the process which writes to the maibox work normally, or does it also geto! > stuck for that amount of time ?e >o >vD > When the QIO does complete, does the status in the IO status block indicate, > success ? Is the data delivered properly ? > L > Even on a all mighty microvax II, mailbox IOs are very fast and certaintly! > don't take minutes to complete.0   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 07:41:10 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)4 Subject: Re: Mailbox3 Message-ID: <PpxFm+wt52Ye@eisner.encompasserve.org>6  P In article <vd99u44gaobr5e@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:  N > Is there any way to find out names of all the mailbox available/running at a > given point of time.  5 Mailboxes that exist can be determined by the commandy   	$ SHOW DEVICE MB?  C Whether a particular mailbox is accessible to you can be determinedn with the command:o  & 	$ SHOW SECURITY MBA1269:/CLASS=DEVICE   which might result in:  H 	%SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation  H But even if it is possible to overcome that, you should not go poking at: arbitrary mailboxes without knowing why they were created:   	$ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=BYPASS & 	$ SHOW SECURITY MBA1269:/CLASS=DEVICE  & 	_NODE$MBA1269: object of class DEVICE 	     Owner: [HTTP$SERVER]; 	     Protection: (System: RWPL, Owner: RWPL, Group, World) " 	     Access Control List: <empty>  F If you are trying to identify a particular mailbox after you create it* consider the LOGNAM argument described by:   	$ HELP System_Services $CREMBX5   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 08:03:34 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)v Subject: Re: Mailbox3 Message-ID: <ONpeJIUd$HLd@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  P In article <vd99u44gaobr5e@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes: > Hi Mezei,o > N > Is there any way to find out names of all the mailbox available/running at a > given point of time. >  > Thanks > Vivekw      $show device mba   -    Or do you want to do this programatically?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:53:48 +0530  From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> Subject: Re: Mailbox/ Message-ID: <vd9dsvote3kh61@corp.supernews.com>n   SHOW DEVICE MB works fine...  / but not   $ SHOW SECURITY MBA1269:/CLASS=DEVICE   & neither it gives an error at stated ..    : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:PpxFm+wt52Ye@eisner.encompasserve.org...lJ > In article <vd99u44gaobr5e@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:  > K > > Is there any way to find out names of all the mailbox available/runningr at a > > given point of time. > 7 > Mailboxes that exist can be determined by the commandR >o > $ SHOW DEVICE MB > E > Whether a particular mailbox is accessible to you can be determined  > with the command:a >r' > $ SHOW SECURITY MBA1269:/CLASS=DEVICE- >  > which might result in: >7I > %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation: >rJ > But even if it is possible to overcome that, you should not go poking at< > arbitrary mailboxes without knowing why they were created: ><  > $ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=BYPASS' > $ SHOW SECURITY MBA1269:/CLASS=DEVICEf >o' > _NODE$MBA1269: object of class DEVICE  >      Owner: [HTTP$SERVER]s< >      Protection: (System: RWPL, Owner: RWPL, Group, World)# >      Access Control List: <empty>  >>H > If you are trying to identify a particular mailbox after you create it, > consider the LOGNAM argument described by: >p  > $ HELP System_Services $CREMBX   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 09:20:15 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Mailbox3 Message-ID: <Dm3PJG$+$Tn5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <vd9dsvote3kh61@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes: > SHOW DEVICE MB works fine... > 1 > but not   $ SHOW SECURITY MBA1269:/CLASS=DEVICE  > ( > neither it gives an error at stated ..   What command did you type in?p What result did you get back?t   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:16:44 GMTb" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: Mirroring Files in real time across a WAN0 Message-ID: <00A20869.2EBC2750@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <kuff-F7ED50.17554127052003@news-east.giganews.com>, Hal Kuff <kuff@tessco.com> writes:3 >In article <5qGdnfKuBa7MOk6jXTWcqQ@metrocast.net>, - > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:h > 0 >> "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote in message< >> news:kuff-12A4C0.05211827052003@news-east.giganews.com... >> > >> >    2000 miles...w >> sL >> One way?  That's close to 40 milliseconds round-trip on a dedicated line,O >> even ignoring repeater delay:  it's going to be noticeable in terms of writesN >> latency (even if you restrict it to journal writes - which wouldn't supportL >> concurrent read-only access at the far end and may not be feasible at allD >> using standard RMS mechanisms).  If you want actual transactionalA >> consistency between the two end-points, it may be even slower.  >> oE >> People usually have to settle for asynchronous replication at such M >> distances:  it guarantees a consistent image on the far end, but it may be / >> at least a fraction of a second out of date.  >> 0	 >> - bill  >>   >>   >> m >a >2G >   Well, what's wrong with replicating the journal files... they will  I >always be a bot behind.... there seem to be two possibilities... one is DI >to use the remote shadow product fron advsyscon... the second is to use rH >the Compaq NAS head pair and mount the NFS disk from OpenVMS....  That F >way the NAS box keeps things legit between the sites.... if site one H >crashes apply the journal files... we would of coure apply the journal  >files each nite anyway...  1 Will these journals be kept on a separate volume?    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            i5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:29:38 GMTr" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: Mirroring Files in real time across a WAN0 Message-ID: <00A2086A.FBD6AF1C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  I In article <bb0tvp$n9k$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, Everhart <ge@gce.com> writes:  >Nic Clews wrote:n >h >> Hal Kuff wrote: >> nD >>>   We have a T-3 between two facilities... that yields a speed of! >>>perhaps 20 gigabytes per hour.u >>>sH >>>   We are looking for a way to write bit map mirror files between theE >>>two sites.  HP makes a NAS head that would do this via NFS shares.  >> n >> aG >> There is or was something called "virtuoso" IIRC, and even if I haverG >> spelled it correctly. Came from the same stable as the Iris terminalwI >> monitoring software. This could mirror files or volumes (In some caseso$ >> mirroring a file is more useful). >>  E >The first one to suggest a system for remote shadowing was I believeiJ >Larry Robertson (of Bear Software at least last I heard) somewhere in theH >mid 1980s if I recall rightly. We spoke about it during a DECUS meetingH >and he came out with it shortly afterwards. His idea (which some othersK >copied) was to have a shadow disk in which writing was buffered locally totK >go to a remote disk over the network, with a large enough buffer I believe>H >on the local system on nonvolatile store to handle writes to the remoteJ >and give an asymptotically exact shadow copy as long as the aggregate netF >bandwidth was enough to keep up with writes. If the network went downK >it could ride out some outages, but on a hard failure the thing would have>I >to recover the unmoved writes to the remote shadow before anything else.i > N >His system did not attempt to intercept driver start-io, which saved him fromM >some corruption issues which came up at one time for people who did. He toldeF >me another company took his product idea and heavily advertised theirG >clone of it which lost him most chance to profit by it. Larry's system G >shadowed volumes if I recall rightly. Hadn't heard of anyone trying tosG >shadow files (except for Dave Schmidt who has been doing it for years,rI >possibly before ANYONE else) till I discussed it with Bill Davy maybe 12 F >years ago and we decided it would be a decent approach for defraggingJ >open files. The mechanics of shadow catchup are exactly the same and have >the same key issues.T >sN >It may be Larry still has his remote shadow package available. If so it mightM >be at bearcomp.com which was his domain last I checked (again, several yearslJ >back). He did a number of very clever things and had the neatest name forK >himself of anyone in the community that I recall..."The VMS Proctologist".s >r >Glenn Everhart   L The "virtuoso" is the name used for the virtual disk driver package from theL company Hal mentioned.  File Shadowing from this same company is a misnomer.M Files to be shadowed must be moved to a real or virtual disk and that disk isD then shadowed.  L I'd never thought about shadowing files until Glenn just mentioned Bill DavyL and his open file defragmenting.  Thanks Glenn, there's a possible mechanismL there to shadow just the file.  I'd have to dwell on how to keep it neat and tidy.a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc            m5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 19:01:04 +0200B From: holitska_a@cut-it-outludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs)' Subject: Re: Need OpenVMS (any version) ! Message-ID: <0VBgis9D+7MC@ludens>u  e In article <Xns9379954C1D2ECweilandatpostcz@16.105.248.153>, Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> writes:t% > "Leiv" <leiv@hotmail.com> wrote in o4 > news:BNSua.617113$0M1.632599@telenews.teleline.es: > 8 >> anyone wanna trade I have several things to offer.... >> -	 >> thanksl >> i >>   >> i > > > Hey, that's good. Imagine the OpenVMS on a warez server :-))  ;   I have seen it listed once on a "site" (not a warez site,e=   but...) :]]] It was OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 Layered Products CDe   image, if I recall correctly.   <   Would be nice if Hobbyist CD-s were available in some sort>   of download (requiring decus membership, extra registration,0   e-mail (or even plain mail!) check etc, etc.).  7   Not everyone wants / can afford to spend $$$-s to getn:   something he/she can play with on his/her new found vax.  7   And not everyone has the luxurity (like me), that the :   university he/she is learning/working at has vms systems7   running and is actively upgrading it whenever needed,n8   and thus has access to new OpenVMS installation media.  8   It would be a good start if all educational facilities9   (and not only in the US) were allowed to give a copy ofs8   OpenVMS cd-s to students who want to try something new5   and even get licenses easily for it as long as theyy7   study. Maybe this is common in the US, but not aroundO
   here. :[  ;   And even if some old hackers can get a copy of a hobbyisto<   CD, and start hacking, it wouldn't do anything bad. Either<   they wont find a hole, or if they do they would present it>   to the community (or even to HP only, at first try) and thus*   allow the fixing of any security issues.  8   There are good ( = not evil) hackers out there, who do9   hacking (hunting security holes) as a hobby and not forh   profit or abuse.  9   Only script-kiddies and newcomer hackers are dangerous,a9   but I don't think that they had a chance with VMS. Onlya9   the really good ( = good at hacking) hackers could find)9   some holes and they are usally wiser than saying "Hehe,r8   now I'll kill that old VMS box and make them suffer!".   > Woland   Bye: <Holi>e   ------------------------------  ( Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:23 +0100 (BST)9 From: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald)n< Subject: Re: NT: son of VMS? (was Re: Portents of VMS death)A Message-ID: <memo.20030528172347.1184A@macdonald.compulink.co.uk>a  O In article <3ED39E6B.265482D0@istop.com>, jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com (JF Mezei) : wrote:   > Duncan Macdonald wrote:bO > > He was also responsible for a LOT of RSX11M (over half the OS sources have - > > hisFL > > name on them). (In its day RSX11M was probably the best minicomputer OS 
 > > aroundH > > - as solid as VMS - full multiuser/multitasking/real-time and usable. > > (multiuser) from 96KBytes memory upwards.) > K > 1-just because your name appears in the source code doesn't mean that youaL > wrote it. He could have just maintained, debugged code written by someone  > elseN > in the team. Now if he is listed as original author, then yeah, it gives himO > some credit, but if the source was dramatically changed by others afterwards,l > is it still him ?a > J > And as far as VMS is concerned, while he may have had pieces of his codeH > survive to this day, how much of it wasn't rewritten or substantially  > modified ? > K > I realise that some of the structures he designed probably survived, but e > wouldoI > the code have, considering the port to Alpha and now the port to IA64 ?. > N He was the original author for much of it. And the code was good quality - an C unusual combination of tight efficient coding and clear design and y( good commenting and a very low bug rate.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:49:10 +0200v" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.1-2 and Digital Workstation 600au' Message-ID: <3ED47806.4000406@spam.com>s   Tomasz Zawalski wrote: > HelloI >=206 > I'm new to OpenVMS so I apologize for sily question. >=202 > It is possible to install OpenVMS AXP on Digital > Workstation 600au?   Course, it is.  > > Or where I can find hardware compatibility list for OpenVMS?  J No need but the CD-ROM drive. If the bow was running NT or Linux, your CD=
 -ROM is=20J an IDE (or something not "normal" and won't boot VMS. Check and swap to a=  SCSI=20 drive (with a SCSI flat cable).   J I'm in the process of posting a few dowen of shots of the PWS600au intern= als,=20n> with details on how to do this and that here and there inside.  J I do have a PWS600au and ran into all possible issues since two years (no=	  much,=20h$ really). Feel free to ask questions.   D. Happiness is running a PWS600auo   --=20s- Didier Morandi sarl au capital de 8 000 eurosi                    "Tout VMS"b-   19 chemin de la Butte 31400 Toulouse France /   T=E9l: 33(0)5 6120 1964 Fax: 33(0)5 6154 1928a&           http://www.didiermorandi.com                    RC en cours   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:38:22 +0100e* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.1-2 and Digital Workstation 600au5 Message-ID: <bb23j3$4t597$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>2  1 > "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message@! news:3ED47806.4000406@spam.com...e > Tomasz Zawalski wrote:	 > > Hello  > > 8 > > I'm new to OpenVMS so I apologize for sily question. > > 4 > > It is possible to install OpenVMS AXP on Digital > > Workstation 600au? >i > Course, it is. > @ > > Or where I can find hardware compatibility list for OpenVMS? >eH > No need but the CD-ROM drive. If the bow was running NT or Linux, your	 CD-ROM isiK > an IDE (or something not "normal" and won't boot VMS. Check and swap to a  SCSI! > drive (with a SCSI flat cable).m  7 If you can do, post the results of the console command:. >>> show config-H This will enable me to identify if this machine has the IDE chip that is- supported by VMS, or the one that isn't...:-)A     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net- http://www.travell.uk.net/         --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 13/05/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 09:25:04 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)p5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Days in Austriaa= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0305280825.511d5f2a@posting.google.com>r  E Folks if you are planning on attending this, I would recomend signings# up early, they are filling up fast.s   suee      v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0305270651.2e15578b@posting.google.com>... > Dear Newsgroup,u > G > Here is the URL for registering for the OpenVMS Technical UPdate DaysoE > in Vienna, Austria June 12-13.  Please note that the web site is inlB > German for obvious reasons however the sessions will be given in) > English (well to be accurate American).  > L > http://www.hp-austria.at/eventsneu/templates/Event_ShowPage.asp?Number=197 >  > Warm Regards,n > Suei   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 03:48:48 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death= Message-ID: <7500353b.0305280248.2ecd5e37@posting.google.com>1  I > There are few subsystems in the VMS kernel that must run on the primary J > processor.  Most of the kernel can run on any available processor.  WithG > each recent release, less code is dependent on the primary processor.   D That is true. However, this has not been the case and 99% of the VMSD systems are old, not new. I belive that rather small amount of theseC 250.000 Alpha systems are running newest os. It does not matter howe< much VMS improves if more modern version of it does not have
 customers.  B > I've rarely seen VMS in this situation.  It typically requires aB > pathalogical workload, or a nincompoop at the controls, or both.  C Or someone who needs the performance. E.g. if you want performance,a stay off VMS as you say :)  J > functionality included.  On the other hand, many parts of the kernel canH > be tuned and configured on a live system, so there is seldom a need to > reload execlets.  8 Again, if you want the performance then there is need :)  J > This is a pretty meaningless claim unless you specify which large alpha,K > which version of each OS, and define the workload.  Cases are known whereo? > VMS does better, and cases are known where Tru64 does better.r  K > Well, I think a nincompoop must have set up "that load", whatever it is. mB > It isn't unusual to see VMS lag Tru64 by 10-15% on CPU-intensiveL > workloads, with reasonable tuning.  I've never seen such a wide gap as you > describe.o  C Of course. But that would identify the customer and this I will notoE do. You just have to trust my word. But mind you, this was top of thetC scale system. The point is that hw had a lot of steam left, but VMSeE was not just able to utilize it the way Tru64 was and the problem wascC in the way VMS kernel services. Note that this did not apply to allaB services: tcp/ip and IO fell far before the rest of the kernel andE since those processes were not able to share load, it was not able to0E do the job. The situation was not artificial except for the amount of < processes and decisions were made based on that examination.  J > And VMS "freezes"?  I have (rarely) seen bugs lead to such symptoms, but= > almost always the cause has been really, really bad tuning.p  C With freeze I mean the performance comes so bad that processes slow  down to crawl.   > E > I've seen VMS scale very well up to 16 processors, and occasionallyAI > beyond.  But not on poorly-scaling hardware like the previous GS-seriesi
 > systems.  E So how much of GS systems are poorly scaling. How much of VMS systemsdE are on good-performing ones ? Again must be a small figure. What kindk of proof you have for this ?  I > Since you don't name names, we'll have to take your word that they wered > the "best gurus".  e  B Exactly :) I will not be saying more on this subject than that theF experts were from VMS development and their expertise was given by the vendor.o  & > Or perhaps you're just making it up.  F That you will never know. Otoh, I seem to know more of VMS than you :)E Or maybe I just make it up ? Do I really exist ? Questions for you toe consider :)h  D > Calls are rather light on VMS.  Fork() is a well-known performanceF > problem, and anyone with a clue chooses an algorithm that uses it as > little as possbile.i  A Absolutely true. However, that verfies my point that creating VMSd@ software requires different style of *nix and therefore very few people bother to port for it.-  : > I begin to wonder if we're talking about the same VMS...  E That is a bold claim. While you claim not knowing my credibility, howtD would I know yours ? How would I know you are not inventing that allB by yourself ? If you wanted to insult me you failed :) Claiming ofF what we saw was not truth without any credibility of having performingA equivalent system loads, tests and needs does not make you better  expert than me :)s   Mist   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 06:23:18 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death3 Message-ID: <t7oRavtZZ+Gz@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  n In article <7500353b.0305280248.2ecd5e37@posting.google.com>, mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon) writes:J >> There are few subsystems in the VMS kernel that must run on the primaryK >> processor.  Most of the kernel can run on any available processor.  WithSH >> each recent release, less code is dependent on the primary processor. > F > That is true. However, this has not been the case and 99% of the VMSF > systems are old, not new. I belive that rather small amount of theseE > 250.000 Alpha systems are running newest os. It does not matter howo> > much VMS improves if more modern version of it does not have > customers.  D Those who have no performance issue have no need to upgrade.  I haveE machines running V7.3 and one machine running V5.3-1 (for a differentb
 application).t  E > Of course. But that would identify the customer and this I will nots% > do. You just have to trust my word.   * Perchance are you kin to Andrew Harrison ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:30:52 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death8 Message-ID: <1to9dv4sqt3s2ufpdt6pbm40mt55b6ms1h@4ax.com>  H On Mon, 26 May 2003 13:58:56 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:     >fN >But in the real world, if you have 2-3 nodes in your cluster, one production,M >one for testing/backup and one for quorum vote,  you don't have that luxury.tM >When the production node fails, you must start the production application on O >the backup node, and if the application has its own drivers, you need to firstcQ >unlaod the test drivers and then reload the production ones. You need to reboot.V >@  G That's not a real-world cluster.  That's an accident waiting to happen.hH Clustering development/test systems with production is ludicrous design.  > The *reason* for a cluster is a scalable, available server forI applications.  That implies multiple servers providing access to the same-$ applications in a load-balanced way.  G Fail-over clustering can be done by the cheapest crap out there.  Those K configurations are not highly available and should not be implemented where0: availability is a means to achieve certain business goals.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 06:47:46 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: Printers and LAT questionsg3 Message-ID: <25AxsW15mCYc@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  V In article <3ED41E8F.CF359F22@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > John Santos wrote: >>   $ append a.ps,b.ps lta10: > 9 > Will try this tomorrow when i next use that postscript.a  " Or, different syntax, same effect:   $ copy a.ps+b.ps lta10:W   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:26:03 +0200 , From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de>' Subject: Re: Printers and LAT questions , Message-ID: <4dd2bb.2be.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:t > X > In article <3ED41E8F.CF359F22@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > > John Santos wrote:  > >>   $ append a.ps,b.ps lta10: > >g; > > Will try this tomorrow when i next use that postscript.2 > $ > Or, different syntax, same effect: >  > $ copy a.ps+b.ps lta10:e  H Are you sure? The append command has been suggested, because the commandF "copy a.ps,b.ps lta10:" seemed to close the connection between the two files, but from HELP we see:   COPY    Parameterst     input-filespec[,...]  =    [...] If you specify more than one file, separate the filed<    specifications with either commas (,)  or plus signs (+).    E There seems to be no (semantic) difference between the comma and plusr syntax. Right?   Albrecht Schloero   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:46:18 +0530  From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> Subject: ps -ef | grep usernamed/ Message-ID: <vd96drdm543nc0@corp.supernews.com>e   Hi,t  J whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on OpenVMS...   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:19:25 +0000 (UTC)-) From: Dan Foster <dsf@globalcrossing.net>t# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep username.2 Message-ID: <slrnbd96q9.lo.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  M In article <vd96drdm543nc0@corp.supernews.com>, Vivek <visoni@bmc.com> wrote:j > L > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on OpenVMS...  ; $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM /INTERACTIVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAMEs    or if desired a shorter command:  - $ PIPE SH SYS/INT | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAME=   -Dan   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:24:15 +0100 (MET)O9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernameg; Message-ID: <01KWFD62LWJ6AKVGCS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   N > > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on OpenVMS... > = > $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM /INTERACTIVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAME- > " > or if desired a shorter command: > / > $ PIPE SH SYS/INT | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAMEe  E Assuming that "username" in the original post is a placeholder, then DG this won't work, since the username isn't in the output of SHOW SYSTEM.aF Perhaps SHOW USER/FULL might be closer to what the original poster is A looking for, presumably a way to get a list of processes and the m associated username.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:01:42 +0530l From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com># Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep username / Message-ID: <vd97ano9c7dm6c@corp.supernews.com>"  H And if we want to see list of processes having the word tdc in it...what will be the command     6 "Dan Foster" <dsf@globalcrossing.net> wrote in message, news:slrnbd96q9.lo.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net...H > In article <vd96drdm543nc0@corp.supernews.com>, Vivek <visoni@bmc.com> wrote: > > C > > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  ont
 OpenVMS... >o= > $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM /INTERACTIVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAMEm > " > or if desired a shorter command: >N/ > $ PIPE SH SYS/INT | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAME  >  > -Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:56:40 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep username,= Message-ID: <Xt1Ba.29126$_t5.17977@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   P In article <vd97ano9c7dm6c@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:I >And if we want to see list of processes having the word tdc in it...what  >will be the command >t <snip>   This one's easier:   $show sys/proc=*tdc*  A _________________________________________________________________s0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS".   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 07:08:48 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep username 3 Message-ID: <K2wILQnqXXcU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <vd96drdm543nc0@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:L > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on OpenVMS...   $ SHOW SYSTEM /OWNER=username.  A (Yes, this requires that you have each "username" matched up with D an identically named UIC format rights identifier in RIGHTSLIST.DAT,< but that is the default setup and a reasonable expectation).   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 07:12:33 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernameu3 Message-ID: <x5hBqgW$klAH@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  P In article <vd97ano9c7dm6c@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:J > And if we want to see list of processes having the word tdc in it...what > will be the commandt  = What does it mean for a process to have the word "tdc" in it?e  C Process names on VMS do not conventionally contain the command linet that invoked them.  + Perhaps you are looking for something like:c  > $ PIPE SHOW DEVICE SYS$SYSDEVICE: /FILES | SEARCH SYS$PIPE TDC  C You can also get a "finger" tool for VMS.  That tool will determineeE the running program for each process.  You could then put that outputh! into a pipe and search for "tdc".    	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 28 May 2003 12:19:12 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernameo5 Message-ID: <bb29g0$4relh$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>h  2 In article <slrnbd96q9.lo.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>,, 	Dan Foster <dsf@globalcrossing.net> writes:O > In article <vd96drdm543nc0@corp.supernews.com>, Vivek <visoni@bmc.com> wrote:- >> -M >> whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on OpenVMS...o > = > $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM /INTERACTIVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAMEs > " > or if desired a shorter command: > / > $ PIPE SH SYS/INT | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAMEh >   G Maybe, but first you have to determine what kind of system the "ps -ef"wE command was being run on as "-ef" has very different meanings betweenRI Linux and real Unix (and likely, between Unix variants as well, Ultrix-11aJ doesn't have an "e" or an "f" option and just ignores them).  In any case,I "/INTERACTIVE" is probably wrong as "-ef" (at least on Linux) returns allsF processes and not just those that are interactive.  (On BSD it returnsG information I am sure is not what the original requestor would expect.)    bill   -- /J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 14:22:35 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)p# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernameb+ Message-ID: <SYazxY$HzJwm@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>s  P In article <vd97ano9c7dm6c@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:J > And if we want to see list of processes having the word tdc in it...what > will be the command- > D >> > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on > OpenVMS... >>> >> $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM /INTERACTIVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAME    ? You should notice, that the concept of process names in VMS is   different from the Unix world:?   In Unix systems , the ps gives you PID,username,program-name.o= In VMS, SHOW SYSTEM, gives PID,process-name, and process-name % is NOT the the name of program-image.y" SHOW USERS  gives PID and username  : A combination of process,image, and username is display by- the add-on utility JPI,  on the freeware CD. n  	 Example: c4 $ pipe jpi | search/match=and sys$pipe huber,anunewsP 26600130 FTA4:.. HUBER....... _FTA4:....... ANUNEWS.....  4 36992 LEF   I MPIW12  2 User HUBER in process _FTA4: runs program ANUNEWS.   -- f4    Joseph "Sepp" Huber   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:09:16 +0530t From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com># Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernameu/ Message-ID: <vd9b9di65rdk33@corp.supernews.com>e  2 I mean the exe run has a name tdc.exe or atdcb.exe   So will this work ??  > $ PIPE SHOW DEVICE SYS$SYSDEVICE: /FILES | SEARCH SYS$PIPE TDC    + <briggs@encompasserve.org> wrote in message - news:x5hBqgW$klAH@eisner.encompasserve.org...mJ > In article <vd97ano9c7dm6c@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:pL > > And if we want to see list of processes having the word tdc in it...what > > will be the commandb >e? > What does it mean for a process to have the word "tdc" in it?e >hE > Process names on VMS do not conventionally contain the command linei > that invoked them. > - > Perhaps you are looking for something like:o >n@ > $ PIPE SHOW DEVICE SYS$SYSDEVICE: /FILES | SEARCH SYS$PIPE TDC >oE > You can also get a "finger" tool for VMS.  That tool will determineoG > the running program for each process.  You could then put that output # > into a pipe and search for "tdc".  > 
 > John Briggse   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:10:18 +0530- From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com># Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernameL/ Message-ID: <vd9bbbi1dg8t50@corp.supernews.com>D  % Without the utility its not feasible?6    4 "Joseph Huber" <huber@mppmu.mpg.de> wrote in message% news:SYazxY$HzJwm@vms.mppmu.mpg.de...eJ > In article <vd97ano9c7dm6c@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:fL > > And if we want to see list of processes having the word tdc in it...what > > will be the commandt > >rF > >> > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on > > OpenVMS... > >>@ > >> $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM /INTERACTIVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAME >f >i@ > You should notice, that the concept of process names in VMS is  > different from the Unix world:A >   In Unix systems , the ps gives you PID,username,program-name.w? > In VMS, SHOW SYSTEM, gives PID,process-name, and process-nameY' > is NOT the the name of program-image. $ > SHOW USERS  gives PID and username >P< > A combination of process,image, and username is display by. > the add-on utility JPI,  on the freeware CD. >y
 > Example:6 > $ pipe jpi | search/match=and sys$pipe huber,anunewsK > 26600130 FTA4:.. HUBER....... _FTA4:....... ANUNEWS.....  4 36992 LEF   I5 MPIW12 >-4 > User HUBER in process _FTA4: runs program ANUNEWS. >0 > --6 >    Joseph "Sepp" Huber   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 15:51:23 +0200' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber).# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernameo+ Message-ID: <TegAr07LHi$k@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>w  P In article <vd9bbbi1dg8t50@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes:' > Without the utility its not feasible?v  ; Not without programming. You can write a simple DCL script,-G which scans through the processes (depending on Your needs, it can see r@ all processes in the cluster), and uses the f$getjpi() function Q to get and compare whatever You want (processname,executed image name, username).H  2 See HELP LEXICAL   items f$context,f$pid,f$getjpi.  D You need privileges (group or world) to get other users information.  M "Help lexical f$context" gives You an almost complete example of such a scan,96 just add a f$locate() for the string You want to find.   -- s4    Joseph "Sepp" Huber   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:23:09 GMTl2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com># Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep username + Message-ID: <3ED4ED0A.55D1277C@digital.com>    Vivek wrote: >  > Hi,c > L > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on OpenVMS...   Please read 6 http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmD with special note of paragraph #2 - What *exactly* are you trying to do/see?o   ~Mike  -- rE ---------------------------------------------------------------------RE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*RF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:34:15 GMT-& From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@hp.com># Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernameo& Message-ID: <3ED4D38A.9ED1741E@hp.com>   Vivek wrote:L > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on OpenVMS...  F Since no one's mentioned it yet: if you're running a recent version of@ OpenVMS Alpha with GNV installed, it's just (from a bash shell):     $ ps -ef | grep username  H (GNV is a set of UNIX-y freeware tools; see http://gnv.sourceforge.net/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:31:48 -0500r$ From: Lyle West <arf@ourtownusa.org># Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep username . Message-ID: <3ED49014.2008D2F8@ourtownusa.org>   Vivek wrote: > ' > Without the utility its not feasible?- > 6 > "Joseph Huber" <huber@mppmu.mpg.de> wrote in message' > news:SYazxY$HzJwm@vms.mppmu.mpg.de....L > > In article <vd97ano9c7dm6c@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com>	 > writes:mN > > > And if we want to see list of processes having the word tdc in it...what > > > will be the command. > > >sH > > >> > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  on > > > OpenVMS... > > >>B > > >> $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM /INTERACTIVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAME > >( > >iB > > You should notice, that the concept of process names in VMS is" > > different from the Unix world:C > >   In Unix systems , the ps gives you PID,username,program-name..A > > In VMS, SHOW SYSTEM, gives PID,process-name, and process-namee) > > is NOT the the name of program-image.>& > > SHOW USERS  gives PID and username > >u> > > A combination of process,image, and username is display by0 > > the add-on utility JPI,  on the freeware CD.   <RANT>G With all due respect, I notice your address is 'visoni@bmc.com' which I  presume B to be the makers of the Patrol product. To me, this is exactly why	 Patrol ontC a VMS system is slightly less than useless. Running in a productionh system, G Patrol continuously issues 'sky is falling' messages because of cpu ande
 disk usageH are normal for VMS, but not for micrslop or unix. The output from Patrol isC constantly issuing alerts which in fact imply "Danger - this is nots	 Windows".d  H It would seem if a vendor sells monitoring tools for VMS, the people whoC write those tools should learn VMS so they can report VMS anomoliesc using A VMS terms to system managers who actutally know VMS. If I want my  production iH systems notifying me of potential critical situations, I won't recommend aeC commercially written set of command files. I want a tool written byj programmerso@ who at least know what I mean when I use the cryptic phrase 'VMS Internals'.r </RANT>    -- c   Lyle W. West  H to reply: Try ell with three dubya's and at with mninter arf net and use dot rather than arf> __   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:28:15 -0400r5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>g# Subject: Re: ps -ef | grep usernamel2 Message-ID: <xN7UPti1nzr9Y0MJNOHAfTI1cl98@4ax.com>  C On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:10:18 +0530, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> wrote:t  & >Without the utility its not feasible? >v > 5 >"Joseph Huber" <huber@mppmu.mpg.de> wrote in messageh& >news:SYazxY$HzJwm@vms.mppmu.mpg.de...K >> In article <vd97ano9c7dm6c@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com>m >writes:M >> > And if we want to see list of processes having the word tdc in it...whati >> > will be the command >> >G >> >> > whats the corresponding command  for ps -ef | grep username  ont >> > OpenVMS...t >> >>iA >> >> $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM /INTERACTIVE | SEARCH SYS$INPUT USERNAMEs >> >>A >> You should notice, that the concept of process names in VMS isn! >> different from the Unix world:aB >>   In Unix systems , the ps gives you PID,username,program-name.@ >> In VMS, SHOW SYSTEM, gives PID,process-name, and process-name( >> is NOT the the name of program-image.% >> SHOW USERS  gives PID and usernamen >>= >> A combination of process,image, and username is display byn/ >> the add-on utility JPI,  on the freeware CD.  >> >> Example:t7 >> $ pipe jpi | search/match=and sys$pipe huber,anunewseL >> 26600130 FTA4:.. HUBER....... _FTA4:....... ANUNEWS.....  4 36992 LEF   I >MPIW12  >>5 >> User HUBER in process _FTA4: runs program ANUNEWS.c >> >> --t7 >>    Joseph "Sepp" Huber   http://www.huber-joseph.de/n >o  C     It can be done without the utility, but you have to write a DCLs5 program (script in Unix-ese) to perform the function.a  @     As luck would have it, I already have something that's closeB to what you want., using the lexical functions F$Context and F$PidB to control the loop.  If you were looking for a specific user, the! procedure would be invoked using:e        @proc_name USERNAME username  ! If you want to see all processes:a       @proc_name  > where proc_name is the procedure name and username (lowercase)6 is the user you are looking for.  You should perform a; HELP LEXICALS F$Context to get the details of that lexical.n  0     Here is the procedure; I call it SHOW_IMAGE:   $   Set NoVerify# $   On Control_Y Then Goto Exit_Rtne# $   On Error     Then Goto Exit_Rtnn# $   On Warning   Then Goto Exit_Rtng $   Say := Write Sys$Output 
 $   Say ""6 $   Say "  Pid        Process       Username      Mode Image Name"o
 $   Say "": $ ! Say "12345678 123456789012345 123456789012 12345678901 12345678901234567890123456"  $ !v $ Begin: $   If P2 .Eqs. "" $   Then $       LL_Context = ""  $   Else) $       If P1 .Eqs. "" Then P1 = "PRCNAM"u& $       If P3 .Eqs. "" Then P3 = "EQL"@ $       LL_Dummy = F$Context( "PROCESS" , LL_Context , "''P1'" , "''P2'" , "''P3'" )f	 $   Endifa $ Find_Proc:  $   LL_Pid = F$Pid( LL_Context )) $   If LL_Pid .Eqs. "" Then Goto Exit_Rtnb= $   LL_Mode   = F$Fao( "!15AS" , F$Getjpi( LL_Pid , "MODE" ))l? $   LL_Pname  = F$Fao( "!15AS" , F$Getjpi( LL_Pid , "PRCNAM" ))-< $   LL_Image  = F$Fao( "!26AS" , F$Parse( F$Getjpi( LL_Pid , "IMAGNAME" ) , , ,"NAME" ))eA $   LL_User   = F$Fao( "!12AS" , F$Getjpi( LL_Pid , "USERNAME" ))nA $   Say "''LL_Pid' ''LL_PName' ''LL_User' ''LL_Mode' ''LL_Image'"2 $   Goto Find_Proc $ !2 $ Exit_Rtn:n   Some notes:p  D     1.  You'll need to correct some of the line wraps, i.e. anything-          not starting with a $ (there are 4).   D     2.  Most of the quotes are double quotes (i.e. "), but there are;          some single quotes (i.e. ') on the lines in which n@          F$Context is called and the local symbol Say is used toC          display output.  The variable references to P1, P2, and P3a1          in the call to F$Context are as follows:   <          double quote, single quote, single quote, VARIABLE,#          single quote, double quotee  A          The output line starts and ends with a double quote, all .          other in this line are single quotes.  ?     3.  The procedure displays the image name only, without the >           directory.  See the line in which symbol LL_Image is6          set, using the lexicals F$Parse and F$Getjpi.   David R. Beattyn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:58:19 +0530n From: "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com>) Subject: Re: SYS$QIOW - Performance Issueo/ Message-ID: <vd903d896crbad@corp.supernews.com>l   Hi  Mezei / Ron,  H Could the problem be solved using  Read Attention AST. If there a lag in8 writing datablock becuase of lot of processing required.   Thanks Vivekn    7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messaged# news:3ED1E02F.8E68E778@istop.com...o > Vivek wrote:J > > If some process is writing to the mail box and other wants to read it, can I  > > see it in reference count?.e >m, > Yes, you would see a reference count of 2. >sL > But you could also have a single process generating a reference count of 2 ifI > it has 2 channels opened to that mailbox (for instance a lonely processoJ > talking to itself with thr writes done on channel 1 and reads on channel 2. >oG > > Most probably I will have to check if the block is written into thee mailbox  > > or not as pointed by Ron.u >f2 > Another thing you can do, from a SPARE terminal: >g  > $OPEN /READ/WRITE TEMP MBAnnn:' > $WRITE TEMP "Deadly chocolate mousse"a
 > $CLOSE TEMPi > 0 > See if this triggers the READ in your process. > J > Note: if the maibox is full because the reads do not work, the above may getnJ > stuck in the WRITE statement and you might need to kill the process. (or waitH > for the reading process to read from mailbox). But if that happens, it gives@ > you an idea. >.L > Are you sure that the reading process has actually issued the QIOW ? Is itK > possible it is getting stuck waiting for something else before getting to  the J > QIOW ? (and when it does get to it, it comletes immetiatly because there is > already data in the mailbox).  >l > Another thing you can do:t >  > $OPEN/READ/WRITE TEMP MBAnnn:9 > $READ TEMP testr > $SHOW SYMBOL TESTc
 > $CLOSE TEMPa >aJ > if the read completes right away, while your other main process is stillG > taking 10 minutes, it is an indication that the other process had notw queuedJ > the request to read before you queued yours, so you got the first packet in > the mailbox. >aH > If the read gets stuck, you can either kill the process or get another processsH > to write to the mailbox (see the example above) and that will free it. >h8 > This can help you *MAYBE* understand what is going on. >?K > Another thing to look at is the transaction count in the SHOW DEV/FULL tob see  > if it moves.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 07:03:55 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org) Subject: Re: SYS$QIOW - Performance Issuey3 Message-ID: <47ND$Lyzvk+A@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <vd903d896crbad@corp.supernews.com>, "Vivek" <visoni@bmc.com> writes: > Hi  Mezei / Ron, > J > Could the problem be solved using  Read Attention AST. If there a lag in: > writing datablock becuase of lot of processing required.  C You really need to tell us what you are doing.  Are you writing the=D reader or the writer or both?  What other slow things are the reader and writer doing?t    E If you have a slow reader, the write process _will_ stall waiting forw the reader.n  D If you use your original code without IO$M_NOW, the stall will occurC when the writer does its $QIOW, waiting for the reader to issue the( corresponding read.m  A If you use your modified code with IO$M_NOW, the stall will occur : when the mailbox fills up and your $QIOW write stalls in a@ miscellaneous wait state (RWMBX) until the reader reads from theA mailbox and frees up space for a new message.  I believe you saidu8 you had sized the mailbox with a capacity of 2 messages.  F If you use $QIO instead of $QIOW, the stall will occur when the writerE has allocated all its assigned local buffers and I/O status blocks to ? pending I/O and doesn't have the resources to queue up any morelG asynchronous writes.  Alternatively, if the writer runs out of buffered 0 I/O quota, the $QIOs would simply start failing.    J If you have a slow writer, the reader _will_ stall waiting for the writer.B You can't read what hasn't been written yet.  You can use IO$M_NOWA and poll for input, but that just burns CPU (perhaps the very CPU$< that the writer needs to use in order to complete its work).    B If both reader and writer can be bottlenecks you could expect someB moderate performance gains by putting a buffer between them (usingA asynchronous I/O -- $QIOW with IO$M_NOW or $QIO without) in order A to increase concurrency.  But you can't expect to buy more than ar factor of two that way.e   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:44:10 -0400g, From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com> Subject: Re: URL change / Message-ID: <vd9brh1hgtmd3c@news.supernews.com>v  9 That is another reason why we've gone to internal hostingtE The ISP that was running our search page in Cold Fusion can't fix it.e& It got slower and slower and then died< Our site links to the old islandco.com site for the database  L We are having the database converted currently to Tru64 by a part timer - he  is taking his sweet time though.K If it takes much longer I am gonna ask Robin (the boss) if I can get it putp9 out to bid on maybe this newsgroup and/or tru64 Newsgroup7  L If anyone is interested, it is very much like a webshop concept that we wantG to set up, just lots of variables and needs to be updated from a PC/Winu
 NT/Win2000   Davidc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:39:28 +0100o- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> ( Subject: What's happened to Alan Greig ?/ Message-ID: <vd9f126n2167ea@corp.supernews.com>   + Haven't seen any postings from him in ages.i  . I hope nothing "untoward" has happened to him.  	 Roy Omondo Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:57:14 GMTh# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r, Subject: Re: What's happened to Alan Greig ?I Message-ID: <_e3Ba.264252$M81.71355@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   : "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message) news:vd9f126n2167ea@corp.supernews.com...P- > Haven't seen any postings from him in ages.i > 0 > I hope nothing "untoward" has happened to him.     And Nick MacLaren too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:47:06 +0100e" From: "Gary" <gmcd@totalise.co.uk>, Subject: Re: What's happened to Alan Greig ?/ Message-ID: <bb2i3u$lqb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>r  K I was wondering that too. There's a major HPCUO VMS Itanium event in Londoni9 on the 9/10 June and it wouldn't be the same without him.i  K I left a telephone message today with a work colleague of Alan's asking himf to contact the group.l    : "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message) news:vd9f126n2167ea@corp.supernews.com...s- > Haven't seen any postings from him in ages.e >v0 > I hope nothing "untoward" has happened to him. >l > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd. >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:14:16 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>e, Subject: Re: What's happened to Alan Greig ?/ Message-ID: <vd9kiu8rt0uja8@corp.supernews.com>h   John Smith wrote:r< > "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message+ > news:vd9f126n2167ea@corp.supernews.com...e > - >>Haven't seen any postings from him in ages.h >>0 >>I hope nothing "untoward" has happened to him. >l > And Nick MacLaren too.  : Oh don't worry about Nick.  He's still very active over on; comp.arch bemoaning the lack of access to BCPL and Algol 68o6 compilers these days ;-)  I haven't looked recently on7 uk.rec.gardening but I'm sure he's still very active int; his garden too - he lives about 4 miles up the road towardse Cambridge from me.  	 Roy Omondn Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 May 2003 10:40:46 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o, Subject: Re: What's happened to Alan Greig ?3 Message-ID: <pUE4UX5Rq198@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  o In article <_e3Ba.264252$M81.71355@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:t > < > "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message+ > news:vd9f126n2167ea@corp.supernews.com...e. >> Haven't seen any postings from him in ages. >>1 >> I hope nothing "untoward" has happened to him.b >  >  > And Nick MacLaren too. >   E 	Nick MacLaren posts to comp.arch several times a day.  Occasionally,x, 	a thread over here lures him for a drop in.   				Robb   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.294 ************************ng.p  C With freeze I mean the performance comes so bad that processes slow  down to craw                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                