0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 16 Feb 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 94      Contents:. Re: **SPAM** (5.4) Re: Checking for a DCL verb Re: 4000 vlc motherboard4 Re: ANN: yahMAIL is dead - long live son of yahMAIL!4 Re: ANN: yahMAIL is dead - long live son of yahMAIL!4 Re: ANN: yahMAIL is dead - long live son of yahMAIL!/ Boot software for 3Com CS/2600 Terminal Server.  Re: Boy, do I like VMS humor!  Re: Boy, do I like VMS humor!  CHARON-AXP:  More information  Re: Checking for a DCL verb  Re: Checking for a DCL verb  Re: Checking for a DCL verb % Re: Excessive paging problem - SOLVED  Re: Hobbyist storage solutions Re: Hobbyist storage solutions Re: Hobbyist storage solutions Re: Hobbyist storage solutions, impenetrable Mac OS X virus found by Sophos!0 Re: impenetrable Mac OS X virus found by Sophos!0 Re: impenetrable Mac OS X virus found by Sophos! Inline FTP command from a .CMD" Re: Inline FTP command from a .CMD" Re: Inline FTP command from a .CMD" Re: Inline FTP command from a .CMD Last items up FS,RD53,522 LD devices in shadowsets on fault tolerant cluster6 Re: LD devices in shadowsets on fault tolerant cluster6 Re: LD devices in shadowsets on fault tolerant cluster Re: null terminated strings  Re: null terminated strings . Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins!. Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins!. Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins!. Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins!. Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins! Re: OpenVMS Verb Pathworks and Novell Netware  Re: Pathworks and Novell Netware1 VMS and Condor 1553 boards. Anybody ever done it?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:04:48 +0100 - From: Mikael Neumann Poulsen <mip@hdc.hha.dk> 7 Subject: Re: **SPAM** (5.4) Re: Checking for a DCL verb 6 Message-ID: <003801c632cf$ba1e6110$0101010a@asb.local>  * As always - try google:  vms freeware verb2 #1  http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html    - mip    ----- Original Message -----  ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ) Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:06 AM 3 Subject: **SPAM** (5.4) Re: Checking for a DCL verb      > Hello,E > a few people wrote about a command called VERB. I did not find this C > command under my OpenVMS 7.1-2 and 7.3-1. Is this any freeware or  > layered product? > Best regards R. Wingert  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 10:10:37 -0800( From: "Cliff Miller" <cliff52@gmail.com>! Subject: Re: 4000 vlc motherboard C Message-ID: <1140113437.452899.268030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>     Don't know if this helps, but...  : http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/dec94mds/v48vbsv1.pdf   Service Manual...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:26:04 +1030 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>= Subject: Re: ANN: yahMAIL is dead - long live son of yahMAIL! 0 Message-ID: <11v8sdu5r16lpba@corp.supernews.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:+ > what about Purveyor??????????????????????   E My initial impulse to a terse demand is to make be a correspondingly  7 abbreviated response.  I have some suggestions instead.   D 1) soyMAIL is built on top of the WASD CGILIB.  So is yahMAIL.  Now D yahMAIL works on Purveyor at InstantWhip.  I know.  I had a hand in G making it work.  If yahMAIL works under Purveyor there's a good chance    the soyMAIL executable will too.  G 2) Of course the provided INSTALL.COM procedure does not cater for the  F Purveyor directory structure so you would need to have a look at what G it's doing with the files (under Apache, OSU and WASD) and provide the  E same environment for Purveyor.  The functions of the various soyMAIL  K files and directories are also discussed in the Install and Admin document.   E 3) The example server configuration directives would also need to be  G Purveyor-specific.  Of course your existing yahMAIL ones could be used  , as templates and be adapted to suit soyMAIL.  I 4) If the soyMAIL executable doesn't seem to work under Purveyor, or not  F correctly in all respects, there are some debug and watch tools built F into it that will help get a handle on where it's falling down.  Just I read the code modules to know what these provide.  I will happily accept  H code changes that I can incorporate directly into the soyMAIL baseline. I   I cannot maintain such modifications of course because Purveyor is not   freely available.   A 5) item 4 is not a show-stopper though.  Bob, you can become the  I maintainer of 'soyMAIL for the Purveyor Community'.  Once any basic code  G changes are in-place, the INSTALL.COM procedure is modified to support  F Purveyor requirements and the documentation is amended to include the B Purveyor specifics, it should be just a matter of vetting any new I versions of soyMAIL during the BETA phase and before public release.  It  A is most unlikely that once the basics are working correctly that  I upper-level functionality changes would break the CGI interface with the   underlying Purveyor server.   I 6) You would need to be the public contact for 'soyMAIL for the Purveyor  C Community'.  See 4 above.  Do not be discouraged by the thought of  F people emailing you frequently with issues and wish-list items.  Your B input would only be required when it was specific to the Purveyor C platform.  I imagine the traffic might be fairly low and possiblly  0 diminishing with time.  A self-addressing issue.  F 7) If there is a problem or problems in you either getting or keeping D soyMAIL functional on the Purveyor platform then all is *still* not E lost.  Although these days I am increasingly in the position where I  G need to carefully consider where to invest my meagre spare time -- the  B greatest benefit to the largest portion of the VMS community is a I grandiose but probably not completely inaccurate way to describe it -- I  F am willing and able to trade one requirement off against another.  My A hourly rate is US$70.00, with a minimum of three hours per issue  G (identified at my discretion).  Through experience the policy is; this  D sum needs to be provided against my estimate and in advance through + PayPal money transfer (details on request).   I 8) Of course if time and/or funding is an issue I still think items 1, 2  I and 3, along with a modicum of aptitude and some effort, may still apply.   F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au);   A pox on the houses of all SPAMers.  Make that two poxes. F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:07:12 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> = Subject: Re: ANN: yahMAIL is dead - long live son of yahMAIL! * Message-ID: <43F48710.8070405@bigpond.com>  ! Mark Daniel was overheard to say:  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > , >> what about Purveyor?????????????????????? >  > G > My initial impulse to a terse demand is to make be a correspondingly  9 > abbreviated response.  I have some suggestions instead.   ) [...lots of interesting stuff snipped...]   $ My initial response would have been:   Yes boob, what about Purveyor?   (Do not feed the troll!)   Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 07:14:36 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: ANN: yahMAIL is dead - long live son of yahMAIL! B Message-ID: <1140102876.953502.68000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  B you need more schooling ... can not even spell names right yet ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:08:10 +0000 > From: "Austin Pass" <austinpass.bbc@fingertip-solutions.co.uk>8 Subject: Boot software for 3Com CS/2600 Terminal Server.G Message-ID: <SERVERtwD43oFLaqSOc00000425@server.domain.kwikmail.org.uk>   
 Hello all!  L I was wondering if anybody could help me.  I have recently acquired a c.1994I vintage 3Com CS/2600 Terminal Server.  Unfortunately it has been supplied J without software, either on 3.5" for the internal drive, or as a TFTP bootI image.  Extensive googling hasn't helped, and 3Com aren't able to help me  either.   I I was wondering if anyone in the group had such a rare piece of software, I maybe lurking in the /tftpboot of an old machine?  I believe the software L for the CS/2500 and CS/3000 is compatible, and the last released version wasA "CommServer TCP 6.2.1" but I'd be grateful of any version at all!   & Thank you in advance of any responses.  
 Kind regards,  Austin Pass.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 04:04:04 -0800# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> & Subject: Re: Boy, do I like VMS humor!C Message-ID: <1140091444.820327.135690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    JF sez: H > Shirley there must be some references to golfing somewhere deep inside > VMS ?    Fred wrote:    > Nope.    Wiktionary says:  D > Hacker--A golfer of indifferent ability. May be used pejoratively.  C Of course all this doesn't mean that no hacker of this sort (or the  other) has ever worked on VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:38:45 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>& Subject: Re: Boy, do I like VMS humor!+ Message-ID: <45jrl6F734g8U1@individual.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:X > In article <45h290F6jb55U1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>I >>>   Anybody rememeber which version of VMS had "file exists in future"?  >>>  >>J >>V2.5? I know that roughly around then we set the date forward to 31-DEC I >>to test the year end functionality of our application. The application  D >>test went well, but after resetting to the current date, found we A >>couldn't access files created (and/or modified?) in the future.  >>L >>Did ANALYZE/DISK exist then? If not, its predecessor fixed the file dates. >  > I >    I'm pretty sure it was after 2.5.  We had 2.5 around for a while and % >    it showed up as something "new".  > < >    In 2.5 "ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE" was spelled "MCR VFY2". >   8 Ack, 5 minutes later, "MCR VFY" popped into my head. :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:50:22 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>& Subject: CHARON-AXP:  More information/ Message-ID: <43F4750E.26038.1CA4DD0A@localhost>   E Software Resources International (SRI) is introducing the CHARON-AXP  ) product line.  For more information, see:   (   http://www.stanq.com/charon-alpha.html   Enjoy!  = [Shameless Plug Alert (tm) -- Not just a CHARON-VAX reseller   anymore...]   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:06:35 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>$ Subject: Re: Checking for a DCL verb3 Message-ID: <001e01c632c7$86778ba0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,C a few people wrote about a command called VERB. I did not find this A command under my OpenVMS 7.1-2 and 7.3-1. Is this any freeware or  layered product? Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:40:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Re: Checking for a DCL verb, Message-ID: <43F42C4D.9EA293AF@teksavvy.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:  >  > Hello,E > a few people wrote about a command called VERB. I did not find this C > command under my OpenVMS 7.1-2 and 7.3-1. Is this any freeware or  > layered product?  C VERB is a utility that dates from the DECUS days. I would assume it E would be on the VMS freeware CDs or elsewhere. I have a VAX copy with G source (seems to be valid for both VAX and Alpha) if you cannot find it * elsewhere, get in touch with me via email.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:35:15 +0100 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> $ Subject: Re: Checking for a DCL verb+ Message-ID: <45ivatF6tpkkU1@individual.net>   + "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote... E > a few people wrote about a command called VERB. I did not find this C > command under my OpenVMS 7.1-2 and 7.3-1. Is this any freeware or  > layered product?   It's on Freeware CD #53 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/verb/  as well as on Hunter's site 9 http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?VERB   (which probably is more recent).   HTH,   Martin --  @                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2006 09:19:01 GMT8 From: Bernhard Dorninger <bernhard.dorningerATscchDOTat>. Subject: Re: Excessive paging problem - SOLVED3 Message-ID: <Xns976C68F39C7B6bdscch@193.171.255.23>   9 norm.raphael@metso.com wrote in news:OF65AE4BF8.1BB85835- 0 ON85257115.004FAA12-85257115.004FC2B3@metso.com:   >  > E > Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote on 02/13/2006 10:25:29 AM:  >  >> Bernhard Dorninger wrote: >> > Hello again!  >> > >> >+ >> > For those, who might be interested....  >> >B >> > After experimenting with the Java cmd line args and long time- >> > observation, we finally found a solution  >> >K >> > Activating the switch -Xdynclassgc did the trick. The Java VM now runs  >> > with a stable working set.  >> > >>( >> Thanks for letting us know, Bernhard. > 3 > ..and for the uninitiated, that switch does what?  >   K -Xdynclassgc causes dynamically created classcode to be garbage collected.  L It seems that  if an application makes heavy use of Java Reflection, the HP  VM creates a lot of this code.K Whether not freeing and/or reusing the process memory is intended or a bug  * remains unknown to me. Only HP would know.  I -X switches are nonstandard java options. Nearly every VM implementation  F has its own set of X option, although there are some which are shared L between most VMs (such as Xmx and Xms). Xdynclassgc seems to be specific to ? OpenVMS (FastVM only), at least I haven't seen it on other VMs.    regards, Bernhard   --     ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:54:33 +0000 (UTC) . From: John F <john@PleaseSeeSigForAddress.com>' Subject: Re: Hobbyist storage solutions , Message-ID: <dt206p$246$1@reader2.panix.com>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:
 : <<snip>>H : If I were to get a BA350 storage shelf, would I be able to replace theH : disk drive inside a canister with another one or same SCSI vintage ? I< : am not one to shy away from screwdriver or soldering iron. : @ : I.E. do the storage canisters provide an interface between theJ : prorietary BA350 backpane and industry standard power/data inteefaces on : the physical disk drive ?   < In a word, "yes".  I have a BA350 with 4.23GB RZ29B's in SBB= canisters.  Its backplane is jumpered as a single scsi chain. ; An HD50M connector is plugged directly into its left HD50F. : The other end is Centronics when the BA350 is plugged into2 my VS4000/90, and that works fine running VMS 7.2.;      But I also ocassionally swap SBB's and cable, and plug ; the BA350 into a Linux pc with an Adaptec AHA-2940AU (using = Linux's aic7xxx module for support), and that runs fine, too. " So it seems pretty standard to me.  9 One little glitch is the DEC firmware RZ29B-VA version of 9 Seagate's ST15150N drive.  The non-DEC drive doesn't work 8 on the VS, as expected.  But I have some of those drives- that I thought could be recognized by the pc. 7      So I swapped four of them into SBB canisters (only 1 screwdriver, no soldering iron, needed).  But the 2 Adaptec bios failed to see them when the pc booted5 (so Linux had no chance at all).  When I swapped back 6 the original RZ29B's it worked again (so I don't think, I messed up the ribbon cables in the SBB's).  : I'm not quite sure what that implies vis-a-vis "standard".; Anybody know how I can use these drives either on VS or pc?  Thanks.   
 : <<snip>> --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 07:10:57 -0800, From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>' Subject: Re: Hobbyist storage solutions C Message-ID: <1140102657.308401.189460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   D I run a consulting business out of my house so I understand what you say about "space heating".  D Try this...I have (2) A2100 alpha servers, (2) Vax 4000/600 servers,F (3) RF drive expansion pedestal boxes, a rx2600 Itanium I64 server,  aD Compaq 586 Presario, a HP Omnibook w/docking station, (3) APC SU3000E UPS systems, a Sun Ultra 10 w/A1000 RAID, not to mention an AIX and a C HP/UX  system that are not turned on at the moment plus a few other A bits and pieces, all in a 12x10 bedroom (formerly my daughter's).   9 I had to install a separate heat pump just for that room!   B Based on the energy savings (compared to using the house A/C), the- payback on the heat pump was about 24 months.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:50:19 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> ' Subject: Re: Hobbyist storage solutions I Message-ID: <8660a3a10602160750r33ce2aaei911eca4e4963c75a@mail.gmail.com>   J On 16 Feb 2006 07:10:57 -0800, rcyoung <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com> wrote:F > I run a consulting business out of my house so I understand what you > say about "space heating". > F > Try this...I have (2) A2100 alpha servers, (2) Vax 4000/600 servers,H > (3) RF drive expansion pedestal boxes, a rx2600 Itanium I64 server,  aF > Compaq 586 Presario, a HP Omnibook w/docking station, (3) APC SU3000G > UPS systems, a Sun Ultra 10 w/A1000 RAID, not to mention an AIX and a E > HP/UX  system that are not turned on at the moment plus a few other C > bits and pieces, all in a 12x10 bedroom (formerly my daughter's).  > ; > I had to install a separate heat pump just for that room!  > D > Based on the energy savings (compared to using the house A/C), the/ > payback on the heat pump was about 24 months.  >  > 
 TWO 2100s?  B Even with the heat pumpI'll bet the helicopters can see your houseC really well on their FLIR when they're out searching for indoor pot  farms,  hehehehe.    WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Feb 2006 16:17:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)' Subject: Re: Hobbyist storage solutions + Message-ID: <45jmt5F71h2eU1@individual.net>   I In article <8660a3a10602160750r33ce2aaei911eca4e4963c75a@mail.gmail.com>, 0 	William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes: > D > Even with the heat pumpI'll bet the helicopters can see your houseE > really well on their FLIR when they're out searching for indoor pot  > farms,  hehehehe.   ? I'll bet that Apollo I used to have kept 'em guessing too.  :-) = And I didn't have air conditioning.  Of course, it was a good > thing I had better things to do with my time during the summer$ because I couldn't even use it then.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 07:10:39 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 5 Subject: impenetrable Mac OS X virus found by Sophos! C Message-ID: <1140102639.396579.274900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   9 so Mac OS X is virus proof like OpenVMS?  Not anymore ...   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29753    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:05:36 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: impenetrable Mac OS X virus found by Sophos! 0 Message-ID: <00A51671.609AB81A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <1140102639.396579.274900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:  >  > : >so Mac OS X is virus proof like OpenVMS?  Not anymore ... > * >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29753 >     - Oh Please... send it to me... I wanna see it.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 08:58:54 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 9 Subject: Re: impenetrable Mac OS X virus found by Sophos! C Message-ID: <1140109134.264966.301200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:; > so Mac OS X is virus proof like OpenVMS?  Not anymore ...  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29753   F If you keep saying "Nyaah, nyahh, can't get me!"  Long enough, someone is bound to prove you wrong...  F >From what I can tell, Apple has done some things  to help inhibit the? virus producers, but, after all, OS X is still just UNIX with a  prettier wrapper.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 08:47:13 -0800 From: kerowo@gmail.com' Subject: Inline FTP command from a .CMD C Message-ID: <1140108432.855200.254860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   F Hello, I'm trying to inline an FTP statement in a .CMD and am having aA hard time finding documentation about what to do syntatically. My   current attempt looks like this:   $ FTP nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn -      /USERNAME="name" -     /PASSWORD="password" -    'SET TYPE ASCII' $     'PUT WRK12FILE:"''FTP_TO_NAME'"'
     'EXIT' $   E And doesn't work.  Not putting the last 3 lines in single quotes also - doesn't work.  Any help would be appreciated.    Thanks Kevin    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 11:11:58 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: Inline FTP command from a .CMD 3 Message-ID: <NqKRk+KpjUp0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <1140108432.855200.254860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, kerowo@gmail.com writes:H > Hello, I'm trying to inline an FTP statement in a .CMD and am having aC > hard time finding documentation about what to do syntatically. My " > current attempt looks like this: >  > $ FTP nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn -  >     /USERNAME="name" - >     /PASSWORD="password" - >    'SET TYPE ASCII' & >     'PUT WRK12FILE:"''FTP_TO_NAME'"' >     'EXIT' > $  > G > And doesn't work.  Not putting the last 3 lines in single quotes also / > doesn't work.  Any help would be appreciated.   E The answer will depend on the FTP client software that you are using.   ( With the Multinet client, one might use:  5 $ FTP nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn /USER=username /PASS=password - +  /TYPE=ASCII "PUT WRK12FILE:''FTP_TO_NAME'"   @ Single quotation marks in VMS do not mean "quote this text" theyB mean (roughly) "do DCL symbol substitution on this variable name".7 That is, DCL apostrophes are the _opposite_ of quoting.   C It's not clear what you want the PUT to do, so the above syntax may  not capture your intent.  H I imagine that the typical client only allows one command to be embeddedE on the command line.  So you are best off ditching the SET TYPE ASCII I (Multinet allows it to be specified as a qualifier) and ditching the EXIT > (if you're only going to do one command, the exit is implied).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:15:41 -0500 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> + Subject: Re: Inline FTP command from a .CMD 0 Message-ID: <1140110146.414614@nntp.acecape.com>   kerowo@gmail.com wrote: H > Hello, I'm trying to inline an FTP statement in a .CMD and am having aC > hard time finding documentation about what to do syntatically. My " > current attempt looks like this: >  > $ FTP nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn -  >     /USERNAME="name" - >     /PASSWORD="password" - >    'SET TYPE ASCII' & >     'PUT WRK12FILE:"''FTP_TO_NAME'"' >     'EXIT' > $  > G > And doesn't work.  Not putting the last 3 lines in single quotes also / > doesn't work.  Any help would be appreciated.  >  > Thanks > Kevin  >   B 1. ftp command has /input=filename where you give the ftp commands  J 2. copy/ftp/ascii WRK12FILE:"''FTP_TO_NAME'"' otherhost"userid password"::  O You may be able to use nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn for otherhost. you may need to quote it.    regards  sol    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:16:09 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com+ Subject: Re: Inline FTP command from a .CMD Q Message-ID: <OFD6482ACC.286E4D5B-ON85257117.0063C02F-85257117.00645563@metso.com>   > sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> wrote on 02/16/2006 12:15:41 PM:   > kerowo@gmail.com wrote: J > > Hello, I'm trying to inline an FTP statement in a .CMD and am having aE > > hard time finding documentation about what to do syntatically. My $ > > current attempt looks like this: > >  > > $ FTP nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn -  > >     /USERNAME="name" - > >     /PASSWORD="password" - > >    'SET TYPE ASCII' ( > >     'PUT WRK12FILE:"''FTP_TO_NAME'"' > >     'EXIT' > > $  > > I > > And doesn't work.  Not putting the last 3 lines in single quotes also 1 > > doesn't work.  Any help would be appreciated.  > > 
 > > Thanks	 > > Kevin  > >  > D > 1. ftp command has /input=filename where you give the ftp commands > @ > 2. copy/ftp/ascii WRK12FILE:"''FTP_TO_NAME'"' otherhost"userid password"::  > D > You may be able to use nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn for otherhost. you may need > to quote it. > 	 > regards  > sol   D This works with Multinet:  Multiple FTP commands go in the CMD file. === & $ Type DISK$USER1:[USER1]EDI_XFER.CMD;  
 CD\REPORTS BLOCK ) PUT JAMRPTS:EDI_TRANSS.TXT EDI_TRANSS.TXT  DIR *.*  EXIT  & $ Type DISK$USER1:[USER1]EDI_XFER.COM;  > $   FTP tcp.ipa.ddr.ess /USER=usernam /PASS=pasword /VERBOSE -,     /STRUCTURE=FILE TAKE MFGCOM:EDI_XFER.CMD   ===    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 07:43:40 -0800 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net! Subject: Last items up FS,RD53,52 C Message-ID: <1140104620.421694.184430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello G I have a RD53 and a RD52 up for sale I cannot recall the last time they  were used. I dont F have a VAX capable of testing these any more, (unless someone can show	 me how to = put a RQDX3 into a BA213). So I must sell these as is with no  promises/warranty etc.D Asking 125.00 for the both plus shipping (8.10 for priority mail) orB b.o. Once again offer is good for the 48 states only and paypal is	 required.    phil   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 09:00:01 -0800% From: "Chris" <catsoup57@hotmail.com> ; Subject: LD devices in shadowsets on fault tolerant cluster C Message-ID: <1140109201.407295.165200@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G Here as Jaguar cars we are trying to deploy a new VMS cluster. We use a A three member shadowset for our application database.  The cluster G consists on 3 OpenVMS7.3-2 nodes, running on 2 DS25's and a DS15 quorum  keeper.   B The database fits quite easily in 2Gb. Unfortunately, the smallestE disks we were able to get were 36Gb. This causes us problems with the / time taken to do shadow copy/merge and backups.   D After hunting around I discovered the accepted way of 'partitioning'E VMS disks is to use LD devices. I have installed LD version 8 on each F node. Each node then creates 3 LD devices using files from MSCP servedF disks, and mounts a cluster wide shadowset using them. Here is the DCL they each run :   
 $ set noon  ) $ reply/term=opa0 "Mounting DSA1 members"    $ mount /system $1$dka100 data1    $ mount /system $1$dkb100 data2    $ mount /system $3$dka100 data3   1 $ reply/term=opa0 "Connecting DSA1 Logical disks"   9 $ ld connect /share /log $1$dka100:[000000]data1.dsk lda1  /alloclass=100  9 $ ld connect /share /log $1$dkb100:[000000]data2.dsk lda2  /alloclass=100  9 $ ld connect /share /log $3$dka100:[000000]data3.dsk lda3  /alloclass=100  ! $ reply/term=opa0 "Mounting DSA1"   A $ mount /system dsa1 /shadow=($100$lda1,$100$lda2,$100$lda3) data   ' $ reply/term=opa0 "Finished DSA1 mount"   F I believe using local LD devices with a common allocation class is theF only way of getting a clusterwide shadowset because LD devices are notE MSCP served, and therefore not visible on remote nodes. Maybe someone 
 knows better?   G Anyway the cluster seems to work fine with the DCL above creating local < LD devices, and shadowing them into a clusterwide shadowset.  F During testing we discovered a strange problem. If we crash a node, weB observed ALL the LD devices go off line, including the ones on theE nodes still up. Then the shadowset becomes unavailable. A while later F the LD devices on the running nodes seemed to come back online, but by@ this time the shadowset is not coming back without intervention.  C Does anyone have experience of this? How can shutting down a remote G node bring a shadowset down which is still populated with some local LD  devices?  E Obviously we need a cluster with a database shadowset that remains up 2 and running even if a node goes down unexpectedly.   Any help would be appreciated.   Chris.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 09:39:21 -0800C From: "AlexNOSPAMDaniels@themail.co.uk" <alexdaniels@themail.co.uk> ? Subject: Re: LD devices in shadowsets on fault tolerant cluster C Message-ID: <1140111560.992521.237870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    >The clusterQ >consists on 3 OpenVMS7.3-2 nodes, running on 2 DS25's and a DS15 >quorum keeper.   C If the quorum node, is just a quorum node, I wouldn't mount all the = disks it. Only mount disks you need, for a shared SYSUAF etc.   C >The database fits quite easily in 2Gb. Unfortunately, the smallest F >disks we were able to get were 36Gb. This causes us problems with the0 >time taken to do shadow copy/merge and backups.  ' Mini-copy and Mini-Merge can help here.   E >After hunting around I discovered the accepted way of 'partitioning'   >VMS disks is to use LD devices.  ( No it's un-supported, for sure in 7.3-2.   Instead look at..   
 INITIALIZE     /SIZE            /SIZE=n   C      When /SIZE=n is specified for a magnetic disk, n specifies the D      size (in blocks) of the logical volume (the space available forB      the file system). This allows you to INITIALIZE a disk with aA      file system size that is less than the physical volume size, F      which can be useful if you plan to create a shadow set using thisB      disk and a smaller physical disk. The value of n is displayedC      (in blocks) as "Logical Volume Size" in the output from a SHOW       DEVICE/FULL command.    And use the real disks.   F If you do want to solve the LD disk problem, and I don't recommend it.2 Please post the values from all of the nodes, of..  
 RECNXINTERVAL 	 MVTIMEOUT  SHADOW_MBR_TMO  E Also how are you crashing the box? If it's a control-P are you typing D "crash" afterwards? Are the other nodes getting a last gasp in other words.   Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:53:59 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>? Subject: Re: LD devices in shadowsets on fault tolerant cluster * Message-ID: <dt2e7n$fn$1@news01.intel.com>   Chris wrote:I > Here as Jaguar cars we are trying to deploy a new VMS cluster. We use a C > three member shadowset for our application database.  The cluster I > consists on 3 OpenVMS7.3-2 nodes, running on 2 DS25's and a DS15 quorum 	 > keeper.  > D > The database fits quite easily in 2Gb. Unfortunately, the smallestG > disks we were able to get were 36Gb. This causes us problems with the 1 > time taken to do shadow copy/merge and backups.   8 [...big snip on using LD devices to partition drives...]  -      I think you're making this WAY TOO HARD.   A      You've left out a few pieces of key information, but I don't 5 think they're critical to getting an easier solution.   A      First, if you're using 3-member shadow sets so you can split @ off a member for backup, then you should be using mini-copy. Are> you?  That will reduce your shadow-copy of the 3rd member back= into that shadow set to a few minutes at most, possibly less.   =      Second, have you installed the host-based mini-merge ECO < (VMS732_HBMM-V0200)?  If not, you should.  With HBMM, merges= complete in a few seconds (well, about 30 seconds for a 36 GB  drive on FC & HSG's, IIRC).   A      That means that the only time you suffer a full copy is when B you _initially_ form the shadow set.  And the only time you suffer> a full merge is if you've lost your entire cluster, e.g., in a
 power outage.   C      As much as I respect the competence of the author of LDdriver, = I really wouldn't want to use it for a production database...   	      -Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:59:03 +0000 (UTC) - From: klewis@OMEGA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) $ Subject: Re: null terminated strings. Message-ID: <dt27g7$mvc$3@newslocal.mitre.org>  t bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes in article <45gsehF6ak2sU1@individual.net> dated 15 Feb 2006 14:33:53 GMT:G >So this leaves us with two big questions. If it could be included as a I >compile time option in other languages, why was it specifically not done J >for C?  And the second question, why don't compiler writters do it today?B >What is it they say about lighting a candle vs. cursing the dark?  K Array bounds checking *is* a compile-time option in DEC C, but it's not all < that effective because it doesn't work on pointer variables.   From "help cc /check":  M       o  Checks are not done when accessing a pointer, even if that access is P          done using the subscript operator.  This means that checks are not doneL          on arrays declared as formal parameters because they are consideredP          pointers in the C language.  If a formal parameter is a multi-dimension8          array, all bounds except the first are checked.    0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 12:34:25 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: null terminated strings3 Message-ID: <3nA4rz7mWvlg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43F3A3CD.59FFB185@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > H > Does Macro have bounds checking ?  Does MAcro64 ? If not, how come youA > aren't blasting the VMS engineers who still make use of Macro ?   A    VAX instructions like MOVC3 and MOVC5 do have a bound in them. )    Which is why the VAX C RTL usses LOCC.   6 > C is like a racing bike. Pascal is like a tricycle.   E    C is like a racing bike where you have to hold the spokes into the     wheels while you pedal.  A    Pascal is like a tricycle made from an old VW, with the engine 
    souped up.    > Other languages are I > like bicycles with training wheels in the back because you can't really ? > stand up on your own yet and you need something to catch you.   ;    Other languages are actually designed to do programming.   H > And yes, put an inexperienced weenie on a racing bike and he will fall > and hurt himself.   D    Put an Olympic cyclist on a racing bike and he will fall and hurt,    himself.  But he will rarely hurt others.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:09:35 +1100 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins! J Message-ID: <43f4252c$0$22052$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:e > In article <aZudnTqdc7bAQG7enZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >  >  >>Oh, Great! >>J >>Now instead of torturing me for my password, the terrorist will cut off 6 >>my thumb for use in breaking into the computer.  :-( >  > E > The better scanners make sure there is still blookd flowing through 
 > the finger.   E 	Sophisticated criminals, motivated enough, will simulate blood flow, D 	temperature, etc., in order to beat these kind of security devices. 	IMHO.H                                                          Cheers,   Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  .   I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:00:17 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins! = Message-ID: <43f4310c$0$67259$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Phaeton wrote: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > I >> In article <aZudnTqdc7bAQG7enZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble    >> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>> Oh, Great! >>> H >>> Now instead of torturing me for my password, the terrorist will cut < >>> off my thumb for use in breaking into the computer.  :-( >> >> >>F >> The better scanners make sure there is still blookd flowing through >> the finger. >  > J >     Sophisticated criminals, motivated enough, will simulate blood flow,I >     temperature, etc., in order to beat these kind of security devices.  >     IMHO. I >                                                         Cheers,   Csaba   B Some might consider it, but it will cost money to do so, and that E investment will have to be payed back if anybody is to try.  I think  C that if the authentication system is protecting large values, then  F people will have a guard watching people scan their finger.  Thus the H criminals will have to recapture the investment from many small crimes. =   That can only be done if they manage to steal many persons   identification information.   G Beside, finger print scanner normally only store a few informations on  G how the lines meet in the finger print.  If two identification systems  E do not store the same informations, then your chances of fouling one  5 system with information from the other will be small.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 06:47:22 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins! 3 Message-ID: <g3Ce49wIWjrH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43F41BD3.BD1FC103@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  B > Cloning your debit card only causes you (or bank) loss of money.G > Fraudulent use of your fingerprints can frame you for crimes and land  > you in jail.  I If you trust the laws in some countries less than others, don't go there.  Just like car dealers.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 06:49:43 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins! 3 Message-ID: <ZmIAPRTNBd5t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <aKZIf.3600$YJ4.294@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > Phaeton wrote: >  > K >>     Sophisticated criminals, motivated enough, will simulate blood flow, J >>     temperature, etc., in order to beat these kind of security devices. >>     IMHO. > G > Talking of sophisticated criminals, Bill Gates recently said that by  K > 2010 he expects virtually all access to then current versions of Windows  7 > to be by fingerprint or other biometric techniques...   D In which case, _I_ expect it will still be written in C and still beA vulnerable to buffer-overflow exploits.  In fact, the fingerprint F access requirement will probably be the first target of most exploits.  E Locking the barn door while leaving the back wall of the barn missing  does not help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:02:27 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS needs biometric/smart card logins! + Message-ID: <45jph3F74r6iU1@individual.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:^ > In article <43F41BD3.BD1FC103@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  > B >>Cloning your debit card only causes you (or bank) loss of money.G >>Fraudulent use of your fingerprints can frame you for crimes and land  >>you in jail. >  > K > If you trust the laws in some countries less than others, don't go there.  > Just like car dealers.  D Cough. Splutter. Have you actually found a car dealer you can trust?   :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:31:13 +0100 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Verb 3 Message-ID: <000c01c632f4$e00dfd20$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,B thanks a lot for the answers. Especialy to mister Ralf Gartner for sending me Verb 2.2-1. Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 07:59:00 -0800 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net% Subject: Pathworks and Novell Netware B Message-ID: <1140105540.164695.59830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Hello A Does anybody out there in HP land know why support for Novell was E dropped??  And is anybody out there in VMS land still using Pathworks  with Netware?? thanks phil   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Feb 2006 08:46:53 -0800 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk) Subject: Re: Pathworks and Novell Netware B Message-ID: <1140108413.930619.30010@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  B Can't say for definite, but I'd guess that it's either a licensingF issue, a Microsoft-don't-like-competition issue or a lack of purchases making it not worthwhile.   F If you're using Netware for file and print is there any real reason to& be using Pathworks for the same thing?   Steve    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > Hello C > Does anybody out there in HP land know why support for Novell was G > dropped??  And is anybody out there in VMS land still using Pathworks  > with Netware?? > thanks > phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:17:13 -0500 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> : Subject: VMS and Condor 1553 boards. Anybody ever done it?I Message-ID: <8660a3a10602160717q138d4e4ela5664853994e65a4@mail.gmail.com>    Inquiring minds want to know.   E Also, if you've played with the device drivers for this board, I'd be - interested in hearing about your experiences.    TIA    WWWebb --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.094 ************************