1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 22 Feb 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 106       Contents:" Re: "A Historical Look at the VAX" A great opportunity for VMS.... # Re: A great opportunity for VMS.... # Re: A great opportunity for VMS.... # Re: A great opportunity for VMS.... # Re: A great opportunity for VMS.... P Re: A gripe just posted to HP's VMS ITRC forum (for those with a foot in both caP Re: A gripe just posted to HP's VMS ITRC forum (for those with afoot in both cam) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? ) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? ) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? ) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? ) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? ) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? ) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? ) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? B Another suggestion for lexical: PID of process listening on port XP Re: Another suggestion for lexical: PID of process listening on port X port Xpor Re: BACKUP$MANAGER Re: BACKUP$MANAGER! CSWS 2.1 + Tomcat 5.5.9 + mod_jk2 % Re: CSWS 2.1 + Tomcat 5.5.9 + mod_jk2 % Re: CSWS 2.1 + Tomcat 5.5.9 + mod_jk2 & Re: F$GETSYI suggestion (IP addresses)= Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalability = Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalability = Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalability = Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalability , Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulatorP Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascript etc? etc?etcP Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascript etc? etc?etcP HP Campus program for Integrity Servers in Europe/ Integrity Server RX1620 RX162P Re: HP Campus program for Integrity Servers in Europe/ Integrity Server RX1620 S+ JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application / Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application , Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! : Re: SRMFLASH update on Alpha4100 quad 5/533 taking forever Super/DLT Tabletops for Sale- Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay? > Windows usage, was: Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 00:57:48 -06002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>+ Subject: Re: "A Historical Look at the VAX" ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-YzVWq5MdeDbc@dave2_os2.home.ours>   8 On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:30:56 UTC, BobH <bobh@x.y> wrote:   > Bob Koehler wrote:   <Snip>  I > >    My earliest RSX-11M systems had FCS and did not have an option for C > >    RMS.  We switched from FCS to RMS when RMS became an option.  > >  > B > My recollection of RSX-11M is from the point of view of someone J > programming mostly in Fortran.  I did not have indexed files available. K >   I recall that very clearly because I really wanted it for some of what  I > I was doing.  It was an extra cost add on to get indexed files at that  F > time.  I suspect that is the FCS vs RMS difference mentioned.  If I E > recall correctly RSX-11M-Plus came standard with the indexed files  I > capability.  But it was a lot more expensive and needed more resources   > than we had available.  F ISTR wanting to try it on an 11/60 but was a little memory constrained :-)   C Actually, maybe I did try it, I just had a flash of an RMD display  B wiith RMS-11 displayed vertically. Imagination? wishful thinking? F dunno; it was two decades ago!! Maybe I just wanted to share nostalgia for RMD :-)    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:11:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: A great opportunity for VMS...., Message-ID: <43FC54C8.4DB22BFD@teksavvy.com>  G The big electronics companies are about to begin shipping HD DVDs soon, G with the movie houses so paranoid about whatever protection scheme they N want to impose to prevent the viewing of those HD DVDs to prevent any copying.  E If VMS really wanted to make the news aget get tons of people wanting G it, it should be the first to fully support the new DVD formats and the = first to have software able to read any HD DVD and ignore all ? restrictions and provide full quality feed to whatever display.   C (some companies want to limit the use of such DVDs only to machines H equipped with "encrypted" divital video feed betweene the video card andV the display to prevent that signal from being pirated and the images reconsitiututed).  D Yeah, VMS would be seen as the big bad illegal guy by Hollywood. ButH think of the publicity for all the people outside of hollywood who would2 want to get their hands onto a VMS box right away.  K And then you could get Tivo to move to VMS based boxes instead of Linux :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 14:23:24 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) , Subject: Re: A great opportunity for VMS....! Message-ID: <pTHCnTFGggxV@sinead>   \ In article <43FC54C8.4DB22BFD@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:I > The big electronics companies are about to begin shipping HD DVDs soon, I > with the movie houses so paranoid about whatever protection scheme they P > want to impose to prevent the viewing of those HD DVDs to prevent any copying. > G > If VMS really wanted to make the news aget get tons of people wanting I > it, it should be the first to fully support the new DVD formats and the ? > first to have software able to read any HD DVD and ignore all A > restrictions and provide full quality feed to whatever display.  > E > (some companies want to limit the use of such DVDs only to machines J > equipped with "encrypted" divital video feed betweene the video card andX > the display to prevent that signal from being pirated and the images reconsitiututed). > F > Yeah, VMS would be seen as the big bad illegal guy by Hollywood. ButJ > think of the publicity for all the people outside of hollywood who would4 > want to get their hands onto a VMS box right away. > M > And then you could get Tivo to move to VMS based boxes instead of Linux :-)   O However you need keys to decrypt encrypted content. And even if you are able to J decrypt HD video how can you hear the sound without sound support on VMS ?  L And the price of an Itanium server will be a killer for potential customers.   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 14:29:40 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) , Subject: Re: A great opportunity for VMS....! Message-ID: <sIEfVUjazedL@sinead>   \ In article <43FC54C8.4DB22BFD@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:I > The big electronics companies are about to begin shipping HD DVDs soon, I > with the movie houses so paranoid about whatever protection scheme they P > want to impose to prevent the viewing of those HD DVDs to prevent any copying.  M Another problem, without hardware assist you actually need a dual core P4 at  L 3 Ghz to decode HD in 1080p. And the P4 is rather good to such workload. TheM equivalent will probably be an Alpha at 2 Ghz or more (difficult to find even & on Ebay) or a 2 Ghz dual core Itanium.  M I don't even know if a VAX is able to handle the data rate of a HD DVD reader  (if a scsi one is available).    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:32:35 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> , Subject: Re: A great opportunity for VMS....1 Message-ID: <dthp5b$qjo$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi JF,  L Whatever the choices (Blue ray or blah?) Don't know, but I want Panasonic toF win 'cos I got a lovely 32"LCD HDMI thingy that I want to record from.  J Anyway, nobody's heard from Kathy Oakey (erstwhile Rdb engineering and now< HP) for a long while about on demand TV. Is she still alive?   Cheers Richard Maher  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43FC54C8.4DB22BFD@teksavvy.com...I > The big electronics companies are about to begin shipping HD DVDs soon, I > with the movie houses so paranoid about whatever protection scheme they G > want to impose to prevent the viewing of those HD DVDs to prevent any  copying. > G > If VMS really wanted to make the news aget get tons of people wanting I > it, it should be the first to fully support the new DVD formats and the ? > first to have software able to read any HD DVD and ignore all A > restrictions and provide full quality feed to whatever display.  > E > (some companies want to limit the use of such DVDs only to machines J > equipped with "encrypted" divital video feed betweene the video card andF > the display to prevent that signal from being pirated and the images reconsitiututed).  > F > Yeah, VMS would be seen as the big bad illegal guy by Hollywood. ButJ > think of the publicity for all the people outside of hollywood who would4 > want to get their hands onto a VMS box right away. > I > And then you could get Tivo to move to VMS based boxes instead of Linux  :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:53:08 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> , Subject: Re: A great opportunity for VMS....9 Message-ID: <_LadnSbfwf8zOWHenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote: I > The big electronics companies are about to begin shipping HD DVDs soon, I > with the movie houses so paranoid about whatever protection scheme they P > want to impose to prevent the viewing of those HD DVDs to prevent any copying. > G > If VMS really wanted to make the news aget get tons of people wanting I > it, it should be the first to fully support the new DVD formats and the ? > first to have software able to read any HD DVD and ignore all A > restrictions and provide full quality feed to whatever display.   H Real good.  Final nail in the coffin.  Some federal judge will force HP : to take VMS off the market because it is a piracy product.  C Each day when I wake up, I am once again totally amazed that there  H exists something like the DMCA.  Don't know why, since we also have the G patroit act, and a president that feels he is above the other branches  $ of government, basically a dictator.  E > (some companies want to limit the use of such DVDs only to machines J > equipped with "encrypted" divital video feed betweene the video card andX > the display to prevent that signal from being pirated and the images reconsitiututed).  G And they're suceeding.  'Fair use' is as dead and extinct as the do-do.   F > Yeah, VMS would be seen as the big bad illegal guy by Hollywood. ButJ > think of the publicity for all the people outside of hollywood who would4 > want to get their hands onto a VMS box right away.  G Since RIAA and the like consider any electronic device to exist solely  D to use their products, we'd finally see the end of the itanic.  See  above about fed judge.  M > And then you could get Tivo to move to VMS based boxes instead of Linux :-)      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:13:55 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Y Subject: Re: A gripe just posted to HP's VMS ITRC forum (for those with a foot in both ca 9 Message-ID: <AYCdnQNvO77lBmHenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    John Santos wrote: > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> John Santos wrote:  >> >>> J >>> I think it might be something about the name "soyMAIL", though I can'tC >>> figure it out.  Maybe it's a pun and you have to be Australian?  >> >> >> >> Hmmm..... >>4 >> (S)on (O)f (Y)ahmail maybe?  Wasn't that unclear. >>9 >> Always good to see you're still pushing the bits John.  >> > = > Oh, yeah, that part was clear.  But what's wrong with that? A > A militant feminist wants it to be "(D)aughter (o)f (Y)ahmail?" ; > Or "(C)hild (o)f (Y)ahmail?"  A religious person finds if = > offensive because they think it's a reference to Jesus (Son < > of Yahweh?)  This seems like a real stretch to me, but who; > knows what someone might find offensive.  A lot more of a = > stretch than calling "French fries" "freedom fries" because  > you're mad at France.  > B > If there is something wrong with the name "Yahmail", well that'sB > been around for years, and the new version gets rid of the name. >  > Still mystified... >   I I'm thinking that some HP type saw a post about non-HP software and just   plonked it.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:45:16 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: A gripe just posted to HP's VMS ITRC forum (for those with afoot in both cam , Message-ID: <43FC085A.32DA1B0D@teksavvy.com>   John Santos wrote:B > If there is something wrong with the name "Yahmail", well that'sB > been around for years, and the new version gets rid of the name.  G If the product is different enough from yahmail, perhaps a new name was = in order. But I tend to agree: yahmail had gotten "brand name H recognition" as THE web based email access on VMS. It may take some time0 before "soymail" builds up its name recognition.  F However, I certaintly wouldn't complain about the name change. One has to respect volunteer work.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Feb 2006 21:48:03 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?, Message-ID: <43fb8a93$1@news.langstoeger.at>  _ In article <1140549885.265232.175910@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: F >and bring a virus free, hack free environment to a world starving forD >security and reliability since HP obviously can't figure out how to >do it?   3 Come on. Symantec lives mainly from virus scanners. C And as there are no virii on VMS, there is no business for them ;-)   H >They tried buying some bits and pieces, why not get the whole solution,> >and port it to the x86 boat anchor the world is stuck on, and > 
 >DOMINATE?  B Only if they replace their business (and HP is willing to sell VMS8 to someone who will then drive HP in the ground with it)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 04:05:51 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?B Message-ID: <1140609951.363562.70310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:a > In article <1140549885.265232.175910@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: H > >and bring a virus free, hack free environment to a world starving forF > >security and reliability since HP obviously can't figure out how to	 > >do it?  > 5 > Come on. Symantec lives mainly from virus scanners. E > And as there are no virii on VMS, there is no business for them ;-)  >   D About half of Symantec's business is Storage Management, Clustering,9 Backup, Archive, Provisioning and Performance Management.   = >From a security perspective Symantec is a bit more than just C Anti-Virus, think anti-spam, host and network intrustion detection,  firewall, vpn etc.ect.  9 Some of these products would be quite usefull on OpenVMS.   J > >They tried buying some bits and pieces, why not get the whole solution,@ > >and port it to the x86 boat anchor the world is stuck on, and > >  > >DOMINATE? > D > Only if they replace their business (and HP is willing to sell VMS: > to someone who will then drive HP in the ground with it) >   > Somehow I don't think that Symantecs senior management see the# organisation as a provider of OS's.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:33:20 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?1 Message-ID: <dthp6o$qku$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   & No, honestly, what are you doing here?   Regards Richard Maher   8 "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> wrote in message< news:1140609951.363562.70310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > " > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:G > > In article <1140549885.265232.175910@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  bob@instantwhip.com writes: J > > >and bring a virus free, hack free environment to a world starving forH > > >security and reliability since HP obviously can't figure out how to > > >do it?  > > 7 > > Come on. Symantec lives mainly from virus scanners. G > > And as there are no virii on VMS, there is no business for them ;-)  > >  > F > About half of Symantec's business is Storage Management, Clustering,; > Backup, Archive, Provisioning and Performance Management.  > ? > >From a security perspective Symantec is a bit more than just E > Anti-Virus, think anti-spam, host and network intrustion detection,  > firewall, vpn etc.ect. > ; > Some of these products would be quite usefull on OpenVMS.  > L > > >They tried buying some bits and pieces, why not get the whole solution,B > > >and port it to the x86 boat anchor the world is stuck on, and > > >  > > >DOMINATE? > > F > > Only if they replace their business (and HP is willing to sell VMS< > > to someone who will then drive HP in the ground with it) > >  > @ > Somehow I don't think that Symantecs senior management see the% > organisation as a provider of OS's.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison  >    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 05:43:08 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?C Message-ID: <1140615788.824977.113050@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Richard Maher wrote:( > No, honestly, what are you doing here? >   D Same as always, correcting the incorrect, swatting the odd fly. Does8 that cause you any concern and if it doesn't should it ?   Regards  Andrew   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Feb 2006 15:00:19 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?+ Message-ID: <463ck3F98kqqU1@individual.net>   0 In article <00A51B1D.4FEF8C19@sendspamhere.org>,# 	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: u > In article <1140615788.824977.113050@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes:  >> >> >> >>Richard Maher wrote:* >>> No, honestly, what are you doing here? >>>  >>F >>Same as always, correcting the incorrect, swatting the odd fly. Does: >>that cause you any concern and if it doesn't should it ? > G > Not any more concern than the fact that Symantec has no VMS products.    Veritas Netbackup?   > # > What happened to your gig at Sun?   D He already answered that.  Just decided to move on to something moreG interesting (and a bigger paycheck, probably).  Back in the days before F I entered academia the average seemed to be 3-5 years before moving onE to a new job, usually with a new company.  A lot to be said for that.  Prevents stagnation.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:35:25 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <00A51B24.27A295E1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <463ck3F98kqqU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >  > 1 >In article <00A51B1D.4FEF8C19@sendspamhere.org>, $ >	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:v >> In article <1140615788.824977.113050@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes: >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>Richard Maher wrote: + >>>> No, honestly, what are you doing here?  >>>> >>> G >>>Same as always, correcting the incorrect, swatting the odd fly. Does ; >>>that cause you any concern and if it doesn't should it ?  >>  H >> Not any more concern than the fact that Symantec has no VMS products. >  >Veritas Netbackup?  >  >>  $ >> What happened to your gig at Sun? > E >He already answered that.  Just decided to move on to something more H >interesting (and a bigger paycheck, probably).  Back in the days beforeG >I entered academia the average seemed to be 3-5 years before moving on F >to a new job, usually with a new company.  A lot to be said for that. >Prevents stagnation.   G My first experience outside of the DoD with a company turned out to be  E the bleakest and blackest period of my life.  I'm not willing to risk ( it all again with any company like that.     --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 08:03:38 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?C Message-ID: <1140624218.719367.304160@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: u > In article <1140615788.824977.113050@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes:  > >  > >  > >  > >Richard Maher wrote: + > >> No, honestly, what are you doing here?  > >> > > G > >Same as always, correcting the incorrect, swatting the odd fly. Does ; > >that cause you any concern and if it doesn't should it ?  > G > Not any more concern than the fact that Symantec has no VMS products.   > Symantec merged with VERITAS last year which is how I work for= Symantec. VERITAS Netbackup runs on OpenVMS Alpha and Itanium  > # > What happened to your gig at Sun?   E I had been with Sun for 19 years and I fancied a change, VERITAS made  me a nice offer and I left.    Regards  Andrew >  > --M > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >             6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:16:28 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?9 Message-ID: <AYCdnQJvO76MAWHenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Richard Maher wrote:( > No, honestly, what are you doing here? >   
 He missed us?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:58:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> K Subject: Another suggestion for lexical: PID of process listening on port X , Message-ID: <43FC51CD.B1752C0A@teksavvy.com>  E When you have the OSU server running on multiple nodes writing to the G same log files, if you need to create a new log file, you need to run a G utility (PRIVREQUEST) that sends a message to each node's web server to 2 tell it to close the old log and open the new one.  H So, it would be really nice for automation's sake to be able to  get theG PID of a process that is listening on a certain port on a certain node.   2 something like:  pid = F$TCPIP(80, "PID", nodeid )  ( (with nodeID coming from a F$CSID call).  H If there is no process currently lisnening on port 0, it would return 0.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:31:57 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Another suggestion for lexical: PID of process listening on port X port Xpor 0 Message-ID: <C021A7CD.1BF43%roktsci@comcast.net>  H IF I am not mistaken, there is no process created by the TCP/IP servicesH unless a connection is made, so there would be no "Listening" process toK check. The TCP/IP service stack listens to a port and creates a process and = activates the designated procedure once a connection is made.   ? That's the way it works on my system, of course I use Multinet.    Jeff  I On 2/22/06 3:58 AM, in article 43FC51CD.B1752C0A@teksavvy.com, "JF Mezei" % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   G > When you have the OSU server running on multiple nodes writing to the I > same log files, if you need to create a new log file, you need to run a I > utility (PRIVREQUEST) that sends a message to each node's web server to 4 > tell it to close the old log and open the new one. > J > So, it would be really nice for automation's sake to be able to  get theI > PID of a process that is listening on a certain port on a certain node.  > 4 > something like:  pid = F$TCPIP(80, "PID", nodeid ) > * > (with nodeID coming from a F$CSID call). > J > If there is no process currently lisnening on port 0, it would return 0.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:59:25 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: BACKUP$MANAGER = Message-ID: <huXKf.32406$Q22.11398@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    David J Dachtera wrote:    > # > Let's not forget REQUEST/PIZZA...   H Until a couple of years ago anyone ordering a pizza delivery from Pizza F   Hut in the UK had their order processed by VMS systems. Part of the F telecoms gateway startup was called PIZZA_HUT_GATEWAY_STARTUP.COM (or H something like that) and this was later recycled for use by other apps. D Took me some time to figure out why a call centre stocks and shares F application seemed to order pizza every time someone bought shares :-)   > G > Does anyone remember what comes on a standard DECpizza (what would be * > the default qualifiers/keywords/values)? > J > Wouldn't SET WEATHER/PERMANENT be a hoot? ;-) (Fool everyone - use it as5 > a CLI interface to the data center environmentals!)  >    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 08:59:18 -0800# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: BACKUP$MANAGER C Message-ID: <1140627558.764622.144380@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G > Does anyone remember what comes on a standard DECpizza (what would be * > the default qualifiers/keywords/values)?  A I don't remember the defaults and don't have a DECpizza reference  manual.    $ REQUEST/PIZZA/HOMEMADE -     /TOPPINGS=( -          SAUCE=MARINARA, E         MEAT=NONE,     -   ! I'm no vegetarian, but don't like grease *         CHEESE=NONE, -   ! Grease again...F         NOANCHOVIES,  -  ! Don't enjoy holding my nose while eating...         MUSHROOMS=PORTOBELLO, -          BELLPEPPER=RED, - @         OLIVES=BLACK,       - !  I find the green ones too salty>         TOMATOES=ROMA)  - ! TOMATOES=SUN_DRIED also acceptable    /CRUST=(THIN,CRISPY)     @ Though for years now I've been having to substitute /TAKEOUT for? /HOMEMADE, which among other limitations doesn't accept all the F keywords for /TOPPINGS= and usually maps SAUCE=whatever to SAUCE=BLAH.  : Being a non-alcohol drinker I like to wash mine down with:   $ REQUEST/BEVERAGE=ROOT_BEER...  :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:10:11 +0200 - From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> * Subject: CSWS 2.1 + Tomcat 5.5.9 + mod_jk29 Message-ID: <zJXKf.2771$Rc3.1428@reader1.news.jippii.net>   G I'm trying to configure Apache/Tomcat working so, that I can get Tomcat . directories using port 80 instead of 8080. Now   //host:8080/directory/page.html    works, but I want    //host/directory/page.html  L to work. I know that mod_jk2 should handle that, but in practise I can't getJ it right. Can anyone point me what to put where to get this working ? I've7 tried to edit workers2.properties, but getting nowhere.    thanks,    -Kari-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:30:13 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> . Subject: Re: CSWS 2.1 + Tomcat 5.5.9 + mod_jk29 Message-ID: <7PYKf.2291$XZ3.188788@news20.bellglobal.com>   9 "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> wrote in message  3 news:zJXKf.2771$Rc3.1428@reader1.news.jippii.net... I > I'm trying to configure Apache/Tomcat working so, that I can get Tomcat 0 > directories using port 80 instead of 8080. Now > ! > //host:8080/directory/page.html  >  > works, but I want  >  > //host/directory/page.html > K > to work. I know that mod_jk2 should handle that, but in practise I can't   > get L > it right. Can anyone point me what to put where to get this working ? I've9 > tried to edit workers2.properties, but getting nowhere.  > 	 > thanks,  >  > -Kari- > K It's been a while since I've done this but if memory serves, you've got to  L run a script in directory SYS$MANAGER called APACHE$JAKARTA.COM then enable L one of the four "connectors". (a connector is channel software which allows 2 Apache and Tomcat to communicate with each other).  > This link has a few Tomcat notes not yet updated to Apache 2.14 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/csws_tips.html    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:02:33 +0200 - From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> . Subject: Re: CSWS 2.1 + Tomcat 5.5.9 + mod_jk29 Message-ID: <ZmZKf.2818$fE3.2117@reader1.news.jippii.net>   7 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> kirjoitti viestiss 3 news:7PYKf.2291$XZ3.188788@news20.bellglobal.com...  > : > "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> wrote in message5 > news:zJXKf.2771$Rc3.1428@reader1.news.jippii.net... K > > I'm trying to configure Apache/Tomcat working so, that I can get Tomcat 2 > > directories using port 80 instead of 8080. Now > > # > > //host:8080/directory/page.html  > >  > > works, but I want  > >  > > //host/directory/page.html > > L > > to work. I know that mod_jk2 should handle that, but in practise I can't > > get I > > it right. Can anyone point me what to put where to get this working ?  I've; > > tried to edit workers2.properties, but getting nowhere.  > >  > > thanks,  > > 
 > > -Kari- > > L > It's been a while since I've done this but if memory serves, you've got toF > run a script in directory SYS$MANAGER called APACHE$JAKARTA.COM then enableF > one of the four "connectors". (a connector is channel software which allows4 > Apache and Tomcat to communicate with each other). > @ > This link has a few Tomcat notes not yet updated to Apache 2.16 > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/csws_tips.html >  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >  > G I did run the APACHE$JAKARTA.COM to configure mod_jk2 and it added line G Include /SYS$COMMON/APACHE/JAKARTA/TOMCAT/CONF/JK2/MOD_JK2_APACHE2.CONF   = to httpd.conf. I thougt that this would do the trick, but no.    -Kari-   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 10:14:42 -0500. From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)/ Subject: Re: F$GETSYI suggestion (IP addresses) , Message-ID: <Yrl$8z8OYlYR@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   I > My point is, if he just asked for some way to get the information, you  J > would have addressed the request in a different manner.  Since he asked 8 > for it in the wrong place, your response was 'no way'.  M I responded because it was a suggestion for $GETDVI, which I maintain.  If it K was a general-purpose request for some (new) utility or feature, I wouldn't  have responded.    --    L Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 04:16:50 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> F Subject: Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalabilityB Message-ID: <1140610610.105342.62390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:F > finance???  so it is financially smart to buy 80000 servers and then@ > have to buy some software on top of it to manage cpu time whenB > you could have a vms system do it on one box and just add to the= > cluster another box, large or small cpu power, when needed?  > D > This only makes sense financially to the companies that are trying7 > to make money from the idiots who run this scheme ...   D You seem to have missed the point. IBM offered mainframe customers a> finance option which allowed the customers to only pay for theE mainframe CPU resources when they were turned on. So you could have a G 12 way zseries machine on the floor, only turn 4 CPU's on during normal C operation but for peak loads you could turn an extra 8 on. This was B made possible by IBM's finance offering without which people wouldD naturally have all 12 CPU's turned on because it would not save them6 anything except power to have some of them turned off.  F If your normal transaction load equated to 25% of a 12 way system thenG turning 8 CPU's off increases your utilisation to 75%. None of this has  anything to do with technology.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 04:28:30 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> F Subject: Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalabilityC Message-ID: <1140611310.267388.253670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:C > In article <1140546142.390030.9050@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  > 	bob@instantwhip.com writes: > > I thought VMS is garbage?  > @ > Boob, when will you quit being such an ass.  Andrew never saidA > VMS was garbage.  he said most of what you spouted about ti was " > garbage and that hasn't changed. >   F Quite. I have never thought or posted that OpenVMS is garbage and I amC happy for Bob to trawl through my posts to verify or disprove this.   A However much of what passes for pro OpenVMS argument from certain F posters to this newsgroup is at its best highly contentious and at itsB worst factually wrong. Pricking these bubbles which I have done isF neither anti OpenVMS or pro OpenVMS its just balancing lack of content and untruth with facts.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 05:12:35 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> F Subject: Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalabilityC Message-ID: <1140613955.752322.149160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:u > In article <1140536945.400450.314700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes:  > K > > Yup, I left Sun 18 months ago for VERITAS now part of Symantec. I still J > > do a lot of work with Sun mostly Solaris/SPARC but more recently a lot > > of Solaris/x86-64  >  >    Sparcy rnu out of steam?   F In case you hadn't noticed the Niagara boxes trash everything in their. class for web, appserver, messaging workloads.  4 Being between 2x and 4x faster than the best 2-4 way5 Itanium/Power5+/x86 systems on the market measured by G SPECjbb/SPECjappserver, SPECweb, Lotus NotesBench, with a single module / doesn't really support your implied suggestion.   F It also turns out that they arn't bad DBMS servers either as their SAP numbers demonstrate.  ; http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t1000/benchmarks.jsp   G At the same time the new USIV+ has given Sun a performance boost at the D mid to high end. The E25K  holds the world record for the 3 and 10PB! TPC-H ahead of Power and Itanium.   B It will be interesting to see what T2 and Rock delivers but at the; moment SPARC does not seem to be in particularly bad shape.   > In fact you could say that with the T1's exceptional perf/wattF advantage which is likely to be repeated with T2 and Rock that Sun has- made exactly the right bet at the right time.   G Contrast this with the mad scramble to re-plan and revise roadmaps that G you can observe with some of their competitors and you have to conclude F that Sun predicted rather better than others what the shape of the new$ world order for processors would be.   regards  Andrew   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 06:25:12 -0800+ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> F Subject: Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalabilityC Message-ID: <1140618312.805924.106680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   ! VMWare EX is pretty cool actually    Dweeb    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 10:38:00 -0800# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator B Message-ID: <1140633480.940386.29050@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D No flames from this direction. But the tone of the e-mail I receivedB was that reaching the hobbyist world, at least the lower end of it@ where I live, was not on their list of things to do. And I don't% dispute their right to [not] do this.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:11:00 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>Y Subject: Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascript etc? etc?etc + Message-ID: <463k95F94lovU1@individual.net>   , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:P > In article <45rm8iF84i6tU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>	 > writes:  >   O > Wget can suck down the page; so can cURL.  You can also use Perl with libwww, O > and I'd expect there's a Python equivalent.  But if this is a one-time thing, 3 > you can also just use a browser to save the page.  > O > But if you're concerned with ongoing issues of accessibility to the websites, N > you probably want to automate fetching _and editing_ the index page as much K > as possible.  I would tend to do this on VMS because of the robust batch  E > system, but a cron job on OS X is likely to be good enough as well.  > ! > I'd use Perl, running in batch.  > B > In addition to having the tools to do the fetch in libwww, thereN > are HTML::Parse capabilities, and regular expression support, so you have atQ > least a fighting chance of decoding the javascript and extracting the URLs, or, M > failing that, at least finding all the URLs hidden in the code, and you can < > test those URLs and capture the statuses, all within Perl. > N > At the very least, you can easily write a Perl script that notifies you whenP > the  originating site has changed in ways you care about, and alerts you to do > a manual edit. >   % Thanks very much for your input Alan.   F I have grabbed sample chunks with wget so that I can analyse and play F with it locally. Yikes - 88K of (mainly) Javascript on the index page < alone! Methinks I'll start with one of the smaller pages :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:11:34 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>Y Subject: Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascript etc? etc?etc + Message-ID: <463ka6F94lovU2@individual.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:^ > In article <43F9266A.FF97FA70@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > . >>Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >>O >>>are HTML::Parse capabilities, and regular expression support, so you have at R >>>least a fighting chance of decoding the javascript and extracting the URLs, or, >> >>J >>Not enough. A lot of sites have javascript code that build unnecessarilyH >>complex URLs. So you need to actually execute the damned javascript to% >>get to a URL it wants you to go to.  >  > H > How about something that instead of displaying the page sends an emailA > message to the domain owner asking them to clean up their act ?    Would that they'd listen :-(   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:53:27 +0000 $ From: Frank Gribbin <fjg@ing.iac.es>Y Subject: HP Campus program for Integrity Servers in Europe/ Integrity Server RX1620 RX162 ' Message-ID: <43fc50c6$1@news.ll.iac.es>   K Does anyone know if there are plans for HP Campus program to be extended to J EMEA (Europe Middle East and Africa). For many years we've benefitted fromB the (then) DEC Campus (educational) discount for VAXes and Alphas.  F Now we are contemplating replacing Alpha 255/233 machines with itaniumE HP Server RX 1620. However the prices for layered products seem high. C We need C and FORTRAN compilers, plus DECSet. The prices that we've C been quoted for the layered products are around twice the cost of a C machine with basic licences. DECSet seems particuarly expensive for D the use we're likely to make of it. Maybe someone inside the company would contact me direct.  F I'd also be interested to hear from anyone with experience of the moveC from Alpha to Itanium/Integrity. My impression is that resellers we F contacted don't have much experience of the new machines. I'm not evenC sure if they are available in Spain, but can be obtained via UK. We B need a platform that will last us at least 10 years. We consideredD upgrading to new Alphas, but were worried about buying machines that were soon to be discontinued.    Regards,
 Frank Gribbin    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:44:54 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Y Subject: Re: HP Campus program for Integrity Servers in Europe/ Integrity Server RX1620 S / Message-ID: <_sqdnQvgfv1cP2HeRVn-sg@libcom.com>    Frank Gribbin wrote:M > Does anyone know if there are plans for HP Campus program to be extended to L > EMEA (Europe Middle East and Africa). For many years we've benefitted fromD > the (then) DEC Campus (educational) discount for VAXes and Alphas. > H > Now we are contemplating replacing Alpha 255/233 machines with itaniumG > HP Server RX 1620. However the prices for layered products seem high. E > We need C and FORTRAN compilers, plus DECSet. The prices that we've E > been quoted for the layered products are around twice the cost of a E > machine with basic licences. DECSet seems particuarly expensive for F > the use we're likely to make of it. Maybe someone inside the company > would contact me direct. > H > I'd also be interested to hear from anyone with experience of the moveE > from Alpha to Itanium/Integrity. My impression is that resellers we H > contacted don't have much experience of the new machines. I'm not evenE > sure if they are available in Spain, but can be obtained via UK. We D > need a platform that will last us at least 10 years. We consideredF > upgrading to new Alphas, but were worried about buying machines that > were soon to be discontinued.  > 
 > Regards, > Frank Gribbin  >   A I would have expected to be able to transfer the layered product  E licenses you already have.  If HP will not do this, maybe they don't   deserve you as a customer.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 09:19:38 -0800' From: "Scott" <jsd_hoosier@hotmail.com> 4 Subject: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy ApplicationC Message-ID: <1140628778.165797.293370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C I have a large C based application. It's one large executable. I am E trying to incorporate some JNI calls to utilize EJB's for host system B communication.  I am having a heck of a time getting the JNI stuff> working with my application.  I have started looking at HP XMLE Technology for C. It looks like the XML libraries I can at least link C into my .exe. I'm starting to think this is a cleaner solution. The : whole JNI stuff seems to require a lot of the application.  G Because my application is basically a Kiosk type application, there can C be up to 20 versions running at a time. Starting up a JVM each time ( seems like it will be a lot of overhead.  9 Does anyone out there have experience in these areas? Any E recommendations...Such as stay away from JNI....or stay away from XML  on OVMS.  G My "worst case" fallback solution would be to write a seperate Java app @ to utilize the EJB's and receive input via sockets from the mainF app....but I guess this is not as cool as incorporating XML or JNI (if I can get it to work).  * Any recommendations would be appreciated.    Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:05:09 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 8 Subject: Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application2 Message-ID: <FB2Lf.3492$Xz4.1255@news.cpqcorp.net>  m In article <1140628778.165797.293370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Scott" <jsd_hoosier@hotmail.com> writes: D :I have a large C based application. It's one large executable. I amF :trying to incorporate some JNI calls to utilize EJB's for host systemC :communication.  I am having a heck of a time getting the JNI stuff ? :working with my application.  I have started looking at HP XML F :Technology for C. It looks like the XML libraries I can at least link@ :into my .exe. I'm starting to think this is a cleaner solution. ..+ :Any recommendations would be appreciated.    D   Which tools (Java-based or otherwise) are appropriate can and doesF   depend on your experience and on your local requirements, of course.  E   I have been using the libxml2 port that's available, FWIW, and have F   been building that directly into specific C applications -- there is?   a copy of the port available at the OpenVMS Freeware website.   D   The XML libraries I've worked with -- including libxml2 -- are notD   exactly light-weight implementations, either.  (The port does haveB   a way to use a shareable image, but that shareable image can andB   will require everything relink; it's not going to be the classicA   upward-compatible shareable image implementation.  You'll still :   need the VM to use XML (or Java, obviously), of course.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 00:57:46 -06002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Br4PfMRyDed3@dave2_os2.home.ours>   < On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:50:38 UTC, bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  A > after reading about OpenBSD and linux so called security below, A > why not tell me again how secure that securelinux really is ...  > ? > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/19/securelevel_bsd_unix/    Bob F         do you know what the expression 'counter-productive' means? As@ in 'counter-productive enthusiasm', for example,. Ponder on it,  please.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 00:57:47 -06002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-dGgW98dueJV8@dave2_os2.home.ours>   0 On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:03:46 UTC, Mark Berryman  <mark@theberrymans.com> wrote:  B > I am currently posting using Thunderbird on Windows until I get L > Thunderbird built on VMS (I'm working on Firefox first, then Thunderbird).  
 Rock on Mark.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 03:58:06 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs B Message-ID: <1140609486.950498.39470@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   I have been fine thank you.   B Its a shame that the same arguments which were doing the rounds 18G months ago when I moved from Sun are still circulating now. Sad because E the facts didn't support them then and oddly they still don't support 	 them now.   @ As an example the continued assertion that UNIX cannot support a? rootless security environement because apparently it just isn't D designed that way, a point only slightly ruined by the  fact that it allready does.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Feb 2006 12:02:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs + Message-ID: <46326aF94v3aU1@individual.net>   % In article <43fb8e43$1@mvb.saic.com>, . 	Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> writes: > Vance Haemmerle wrote: >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  >>  J >>> because our users want flat screen monitors for desk space and since ID >>> can't seem to find a flat panel VT monitor on the market (I haveK >>> requested this for years) and since dell is giving them away, and since C >>> a dell with free flat screen is alot cheaper than a thin client ! >>> solution, you have NO choice!  >>>  >>  H >>   I'm on a VMS workstation using a flat panel monitor (HP 2335) usingG >> a BN36-1F cable.  The flat panel supports video green-on-red and the J >> 1280x1024 resolution.  To bad it doesn't work with the 1920x1200 format$ >> that the PowerStorm 350 puts out. > D >      I'm on a VMS workstation using a 20 inch, flat panel monitor I > running at 1600x1200 native resolution using a Radeon 7500 video card.  I > The workstation itself is a DS10.  Providing VMS on the desktop with a  / > flat panel monitor is most definitely doable.   D I have X-terminals with standard SVGA connectors that wold work justF fine with flat panels.  Feed them with a large VMS box in the backroomE and you have VMS on the desktop.  Oh wait, no applications.  Damn....    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:06:24 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs , Message-ID: <43FC538A.1CC1F27B@teksavvy.com>  
 Andrew wrote: B > As an example the continued assertion that UNIX cannot support aA > rootless security environement because apparently it just isn't F > designed that way, a point only slightly ruined by the  fact that it > allready does.     Mr Andrew,    E One could argue the same with Windows, yet, most Windows applications G just require all mighty privileges just because the programmer designed F it this way (or was too lazy to documeht exactly what privs are needed and properly design the app).   > If you agree with the above, I ask you the following question:  G For Unix software, wouldn't a lot of software also suffer from the same E problems of the software writer just assuming he'll get root (or root ? like privs) without really justifying each priv he is getting ?     H (and VMS isn't perfect either, the privs required to impersonate someoneH else when sending an email with the callable mail is "SYSPRV" instead of2 "IMPERSONATE" or some other more benign privilege.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 05:52:23 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs C Message-ID: <1140616343.850271.101070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E a lot more cost than a 249 dollar dell ... the flat screen VT monitor & in a 15 17 inch flavor would be great.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 05:46:47 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs C Message-ID: <1140616006.931053.228890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Andrew wrote: D > > As an example the continued assertion that UNIX cannot support aC > > rootless security environement because apparently it just isn't H > > designed that way, a point only slightly ruined by the  fact that it > > allready does. >  >  > Mr Andrew, > G > One could argue the same with Windows, yet, most Windows applications I > just require all mighty privileges just because the programmer designed H > it this way (or was too lazy to documeht exactly what privs are needed > and properly design the app).  > @ > If you agree with the above, I ask you the following question: > I > For Unix software, wouldn't a lot of software also suffer from the same G > problems of the software writer just assuming he'll get root (or root A > like privs) without really justifying each priv he is getting ?  >   ? Probably, but then many customers do not like apps which demand E unreasonably high levels of privilege and vocal feedback particulalry @ backed with the ability to slow or stop deployments can have the desired effect.    Regards  Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:07:40 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs , Message-ID: <43fc702d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I I'm running a DS10 with a Radeon using a HP2335 23" flat panel monitor at L its native resolution of 1920x1200 @60hz.  I'm fairly certain that the PS350 works with this panel as well.    8 "Mark Berryman" <mark@theberrymans.com> wrote in message news:43fb8e43$1@mvb.saic.com...  > Vance Haemmerle wrote: > > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > > K > >> because our users want flat screen monitors for desk space and since I E > >> can't seem to find a flat panel VT monitor on the market (I have L > >> requested this for years) and since dell is giving them away, and sinceD > >> a dell with free flat screen is alot cheaper than a thin client" > >> solution, you have NO choice! > >> > > I > >   I'm on a VMS workstation using a flat panel monitor (HP 2335) using H > > a BN36-1F cable.  The flat panel supports video green-on-red and theK > > 1280x1024 resolution.  To bad it doesn't work with the 1920x1200 format % > > that the PowerStorm 350 puts out.  > C >      I'm on a VMS workstation using a 20 inch, flat panel monitor H > running at 1600x1200 native resolution using a Radeon 7500 video card.H > The workstation itself is a DS10.  Providing VMS on the desktop with a/ > flat panel monitor is most definitely doable.  > A > I am currently posting using Thunderbird on Windows until I get L > Thunderbird built on VMS (I'm working on Firefox first, then Thunderbird). >  > Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:26:07 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs + Message-ID: <463ak0F96di9U1@individual.net>    Mark Berryman wrote: > Vance Haemmerle wrote: >  >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  >>J >>> because our users want flat screen monitors for desk space and since ID >>> can't seem to find a flat panel VT monitor on the market (I haveK >>> requested this for years) and since dell is giving them away, and since C >>> a dell with free flat screen is alot cheaper than a thin client ! >>> solution, you have NO choice!  >>>  >>H >>   I'm on a VMS workstation using a flat panel monitor (HP 2335) usingG >> a BN36-1F cable.  The flat panel supports video green-on-red and the J >> 1280x1024 resolution.  To bad it doesn't work with the 1920x1200 format$ >> that the PowerStorm 350 puts out. >  > K >     I'm on a VMS workstation using a 20 inch, flat panel monitor running  E > at 1600x1200 native resolution using a Radeon 7500 video card. The  J > workstation itself is a DS10.  Providing VMS on the desktop with a flat * > panel monitor is most definitely doable. >   E Definitely doable indeed. I've been running my PWS 600au with Gloria  > Elsa card with a flat panel monitor since 2002, if not before.  B > I am currently posting using Thunderbird on Windows until I get L > Thunderbird built on VMS (I'm working on Firefox first, then Thunderbird). >    Excellent news, Mark.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 06:11:19 -0800+ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs C Message-ID: <1140617479.452699.101590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Philip,   6 Curiously, what is an example of a "good" newsreader ?  Sadly I am restricted to Windoze   Dweeb    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Feb 2006 14:35:29 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs + Message-ID: <463b5hF949bbU1@individual.net>   C In article <1140617479.452699.101590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, . 	"Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> writes:	 > Philip,  > 8 > Curiously, what is an example of a "good" newsreader ?" > Sadly I am restricted to Windoze  ; Install Cygwin/CygwinX and then build and install Knews.  I < have been using it for longer than I can remember and I like9 it.  Probably it's weakest link is killfiles, but I don't 2 really like them anyway, so that doesn't deter me.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:41:54 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs * Message-ID: <43fc8645@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   > >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  > >>L > >>> because our users want flat screen monitors for desk space and since IF > >>> can't seem to find a flat panel VT monitor on the market (I haveG > >>> requested this for years) and since dell is giving them away, and  since E > >>> a dell with free flat screen is alot cheaper than a thin client # > >>> solution, you have NO choice!  > >>>   I Just as a note, asking for sophisticated "VT" as in "terminals" is pretty G pointless.  The "teminal" is on its last legs, and there is a dwindling I supply of makers at-all.  The price/point crossover for a cheap PC versus J the limited functionality of a VT happened a long time ago, and the legacy( demands for terminals is very, very low.  G I know that doesn't make some people happy.  But like the ASR33, or the * LA120, or the telegram - it's day is over.  G Thin clients can be found at low-end PC prices, but the market for them H never really came into its own and so the prices have never come down toF make them a huge win over a really cheap PC.  The Multia was a productH before its time - which is too bad - because it had everything you would want in a thin client.  H The SunRay (I'll mention it, since Andrew is back) is a nice thin clientL solution from a human interface perspective -- of course it is Sun-specific,I and is pretty heavyweight on the infrastructure (private LAN, server side 	 demands).   J Of course, a used DS10 (cheap) booted as a diskless (but keep a local pageH file disk) satellite in a cluster is still the ultimate in a distributedG solution (local computes, cluster wide storage/management/backup).  You J could probably even dig up an older smaller Alpha and plug in a flat panel to it.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 07:59:32 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs C Message-ID: <1140623972.429575.113710@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    FredK wrote:! > > >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  > > >>N > > >>> because our users want flat screen monitors for desk space and since IH > > >>> can't seem to find a flat panel VT monitor on the market (I haveI > > >>> requested this for years) and since dell is giving them away, and  > since G > > >>> a dell with free flat screen is alot cheaper than a thin client % > > >>> solution, you have NO choice!  > > >>> J > The SunRay (I'll mention it, since Andrew is back) is a nice thin clientN > solution from a human interface perspective -- of course it is Sun-specific,K > and is pretty heavyweight on the infrastructure (private LAN, server side  > demands).  >   C You can only get SunRay clients from Sun, that said you can run the E SunRay server piece on Solaris (SPARC/x86) SuSE and RedHat Linux. The > networking requirments have also changed, you no longer need aE dedicated SunRay client network and the client-server protocol is now < citrix-tarantella like in the sense that it is adaptive with compression.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Feb 2006 17:19:56 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs + Message-ID: <463kpsF96mvvU2@individual.net>   * In article <43fc8f6e@usenet01.boi.hp.com>,- 	"FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  > : > "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> wrote in message? > news:1140623972.429575.113710@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...  >> >  >>F >> You can only get SunRay clients from Sun, that said you can run theH >> SunRay server piece on Solaris (SPARC/x86) SuSE and RedHat Linux. TheA >> networking requirments have also changed, you no longer need a H >> dedicated SunRay client network and the client-server protocol is now? >> citrix-tarantella like in the sense that it is adaptive with  >> compression.  >> > L > I didn't know they ported the server, but it makes sense.  But I think theM > original private LAN requirement still is a real consideration - the amount N > of data sent - even compressed - is fine for a "few" of these, but will make1 > things unusable if you connect a lot of them.     G Probably depends more on wether your trying to run it on a 1000BaseT or  a 10BaseT network.  L >                                                The server-side demands areL > real, so again - unless its just a few of them, you will need a big server > to drive them.  E Well, aren't all those servers running at 10% anyway?  Seems like the  extra is already there.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 09:31:53 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs C Message-ID: <1140629513.867335.225060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    FredK wrote:: > "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> wrote in message? > news:1140623972.429575.113710@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...  > >  >  > > G > > You can only get SunRay clients from Sun, that said you can run the I > > SunRay server piece on Solaris (SPARC/x86) SuSE and RedHat Linux. The B > > networking requirments have also changed, you no longer need aI > > dedicated SunRay client network and the client-server protocol is now @ > > citrix-tarantella like in the sense that it is adaptive with > > compression. > >  > L > I didn't know they ported the server, but it makes sense.  But I think theM > original private LAN requirement still is a real consideration - the amount N > of data sent - even compressed - is fine for a "few" of these, but will makeL > things unusable if you connect a lot of them.  The server-side demands areL > real, so again - unless its just a few of them, you will need a big server > to drive them.  D The bandwidth requirments obviously depend on useage but tests I sawC suggested that you could get away with 200Kb/s for a single client.   B And you don't need massive servers to drive them, the load is very@ similar to supporting X-Terms or Windows Terminal Server clients   Regards  Andrew   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:50:59 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs $ Message-ID: <dti8a3$8q3$1@online.de>  H In article <1140617479.452699.101590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Dr.) Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> writes:    8 > Curiously, what is an example of a "good" newsreader ?" > Sadly I am restricted to Windoze  F I've been using NEWSRDR for a dozen years or so.  It has an interface F quite similar, but not identical, to VMS MAIL.  Comes with .HLP file, G BOOKREADER documentation etc.  Runs on VAX and ALPHA (and, presumably,   Itanium); comes with sources.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:11:54 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs 2 Message-ID: <_H2Lf.3493$Xz4.2132@news.cpqcorp.net>  w In article <dti8a3$8q3$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: I :In article <1140617479.452699.101590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Dr. * :Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> writes:  : 9 :> Curiously, what is an example of a "good" newsreader ? # :> Sadly I am restricted to Windoze  : 3 :I've been using NEWSRDR for a dozen years or so...   A   "Good newsreader" is a whole lot like "good text editor" in the B   grand scheme -- there is always One True Answer, but it can tend"   to be a unique answer, too.  :-)  <   I've been using MXRN and the Mozilla tools for eons, FWIW.  G   As for Microsoft Windows, the Mozilla tools (FireFox and Thunderbird, F   or the SeaMonkey suite) can solve most of the common communications F   problems.  (Not always the best solutions available for a particular:   situation of course, but they can and do work for most.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:29:16 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs 0 Message-ID: <00A51B3C.714ABB2E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <43fc8645@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  >  >  >   >> >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote: >> >> M >> >>> because our users want flat screen monitors for desk space and since I G >> >>> can't seem to find a flat panel VT monitor on the market (I have H >> >>> requested this for years) and since dell is giving them away, and >sinceF >> >>> a dell with free flat screen is alot cheaper than a thin client$ >> >>> solution, you have NO choice! >> >>> > J >Just as a note, asking for sophisticated "VT" as in "terminals" is prettyH >pointless.  The "teminal" is on its last legs, and there is a dwindlingJ >supply of makers at-all.  The price/point crossover for a cheap PC versusK >the limited functionality of a VT happened a long time ago, and the legacy ) >demands for terminals is very, very low.   H If that's the case, why have so many PeeCee/Weendoze terminal emulations" been complicating my life of late?     --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:07:26 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!= Message-ID: <43fc37de$0$67256$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:> > you don't just get bypass priviledge ... someone has to give > it to you ...  > E Getting the password for root on *NIX is just as easy as getting the  A password for OpenVMS.  Besides, people are putting more and more  H security into Linux.  I am far from certain that OpenVMS is more secure F by design than newer Linux any Unix variants.  Please note that while D OpenVMS is standing still, *NIX is moving forward with new security  features being added.   I I do think the OpenBSD people have arguments to support their point.  To  I most companies it is not important whether or not the OS get hacked.  It  F is important their own data are not distroied or stolen, but security , levels protect the OS and not the user data.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 03:50:15 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!C Message-ID: <1140609015.108491.157760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:D > because it was never designed to be ... OpenVMS was, and no matterI > how many so called secure bells and whistles are put on unix and linux, F > they will ultimately fail because of the insecure (root) design.  So	 > calling E > linux securelinux, almostsecurelinux, guaranteedsecurelinux, or any  > other , > name is and will always be an oxymoron ... > ? > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/19/securelevel_bsd_unix/   G You are slightly behind the times, Solaris since the release of Solaris C 10 has not required a root user with the god like powers associated ? with a root user and the corrosponding security issues if their  password is compromised.  D Its actually a perfect example of why your view of OS development isG flawed, Sun did something that you argue is not possible because of the : basic design of UNIX in this case removing root as a user.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Feb 2006 13:42:07 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!+ Message-ID: <46381eF98g5qU2@individual.net>   3 In article <TPWtKC6$jOOC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:m > In article <43fc37de$0$67256$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  > H >> Getting the password for root on *NIX is just as easy as getting the D >> password for OpenVMS.  Besides, people are putting more and more K >> security into Linux.  I am far from certain that OpenVMS is more secure  0 >> by design than newer Linux any Unix variants. > H > How does Unix handle users attempting to overflow the password history
 > buffer ?  I Probably depends on the implementation.  Ultrix-11 doesn't have one.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 05:48:49 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!C Message-ID: <1140616129.503903.236450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    b...@instantwhip.com wrote: < > they still do not have the rings of security that vms has.E > vms was built with the flaws of unix in mind ... why are unix users F > trying to reinvent the wheel?  All they need is vms ... if they likeG > working in a convuluted environment, that can be arranged on vms also  > (gnu/gnv) ...     E Ahh, the my current line of argument has been trashed lets move on to  another tack approach.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:04:33 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!) Message-ID: <dti5j1$o90$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   _ In article <1140549346.837217.265400@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: C >because it was never designed to be ... OpenVMS was, and no matter H >how many so called secure bells and whistles are put on unix and linux,E >they will ultimately fail because of the insecure (root) design.  So  >callingD >linux securelinux, almostsecurelinux, guaranteedsecurelinux, or any >other+ >name is and will always be an oxymoron ...  > > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/19/securelevel_bsd_unix/ >      Bob,  L Can you tell me how to make a file IMMUTABLE under VMS so that not even the N someone logged in as system can alter the file ? (Mounting the disk read-only  doesn't count).   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Feb 2006 18:38:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!+ Message-ID: <463pdoF9afqfU1@individual.net>   3 In article <Gp7RYCja26if@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:L > In article <dti5j1$o90$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > O >> Can you tell me how to make a file IMMUTABLE under VMS so that not even the  3 >> someone logged in as system can alter the file ?  > H > That cannot be done in software on any operating system -- kernel mode > beats all. >   >> (Mounting the disk read-only  >> doesn't count). > I > It also would not work, for the same reason.  Mounting a disk read-only J > is a software convention, honored by operating system software, and thus  > susceptible to being bypassed.  H I think both of these are the points he was trying to make to boob.  The$ question really was rhetorical.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:35:31 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!2 Message-ID: <723Lf.3495$HA4.3066@news.cpqcorp.net>  J In article <dti5j1$o90$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:    M :Can you tell me how to make a file IMMUTABLE under VMS so that not even the  O :someone logged in as system can alter the file ? (Mounting the disk read-only   :doesn't count).    A   Does using COPY/RECORDABLE_MEDIA to a DVD+R or CD-R count?  :-)       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 08:03:44 -0800. From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>C Subject: Re: SRMFLASH update on Alpha4100 quad 5/533 taking forever B Message-ID: <1140624224.647345.27600@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hello Everyone,   F Y'all are right -- I was over-eager to get the box going and I skippedF over the SRM Readme which says something like "go to V5.3 before going to V5.4 or higher".   F I booted the box a few minutes ago using (the same) firmware update CDG and checked the Readme. My current SRMflash is at V5.1-3 and I tried to  go to V6.0-4. Oops.   F I'll do as you suggest and make me an update diskette tonight. I'm off to work now.   Thanks for the assistance, Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:38:25 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> % Subject: Super/DLT Tabletops for Sale 8 Message-ID: <7r%Kf.6199$Pv1.4281@bignews6.bellsouth.net>  " We have an excess of the following    . DLT8000 Tabletop 40/80GB black with Cable $7752 SuperDLT 110/220GB Tabletop black with Cable $1375   Fully Alpha VMS 7.2> compatible    12 months warranty    # if anyone is interested please call    Thanks       --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 07:36:53 -0800' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> 6 Subject: Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay?C Message-ID: <1140622612.981933.126570@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F One of my two hobbyist Alpha 1000a's quit.  Since I have two systems ID was able to fine the bad board.  I'm looking for a processor board ($ 54-23297-04 )... anyone know of one?   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 06:47:11 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)G Subject: Windows usage, was: Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to 3 Message-ID: <EM$h0ELVZc7y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <461ck5F8oqsfU4@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:C > In article <1140546142.390030.9050@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  > 	bob@instantwhip.com writes: >   C >>                           Why are you working for a company that H >> bought and tried to imitate the best it could parts of its clustering >> technology? >>  # >> A little hypocritical, isn't it?  > L > Why are your users running Windows on the desktop?  A little hypocritical, > isn't it?  >     C I'm glad someone else said this and it's not only me thinking this.   K I don't appreciate been attacked for using Linux when the attacker actively J uses a worse operating system, Windows, to satisfy a business requirement.  G So Bob, why aren't you helping the Open Office team port Open Office to ; VMS instead of using Microsoft Office products on Windows ?   I At least when I can't use VMS, I actively try and use an environment that 3 has better security and functionality than Windows.   ' I sense a case of cognitive dissonance.   $ Oh, and Bob, SELinux is not OpenBSD.   Simon.   --  ; Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP I If Google's motto is "do no wrong", then how did we get Google Groups 2 ?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.106 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                
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