1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 23 Feb 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 107       Contents:  Alphaserver Ram Modules for sale  Alphaserver Ram Modules for sale) Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS? E Re: Another suggestion for lexical: PID of process listening onport X  Re: Blade vs Superdome Re: Boy, do I like VMS humor! # Re: error executing DCL/EXE on CSWS # Re: error executing DCL/EXE on CSWS # Free SDLT or DLT with DS10 purchase = Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalability = Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalability , Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulatorG Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascriptetc? / Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application / Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application / Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application / Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application / Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application  need help with Flakey VLC  Re: need help with Flakey VLC  Re: need help with Flakey VLC ( object names from executable image files, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs* OT: Complexity of compilers (Power's CELL)1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! & Size limit on filename created by zip?* Re: Size limit on filename created by zip?* Re: Size limit on filename created by zip?* Re: Size limit on filename created by zip?- Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 11:38:04 -0800 From: vanjkos@gmail.com ) Subject: Alphaserver Ram Modules for sale C Message-ID: <1140637084.600640.242640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi to everyone, ; if someone is interested,i'm selling a lot of 110 Alpha Ram G Modules.Some of them are single sided,some double sided,they are all in 0 "cuts" of 256MB,some marked Infineon,some HP,...D I'd like to sell all the lot to spare on shipping and "maybe" give a# little discount on the final price. . But i'll also accept smaller orders if needed.: For info, mail me to : vanjkos at gmail dot com.Greetings!   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 11:38:57 -0800 From: vanjkos@gmail.com ) Subject: Alphaserver Ram Modules for sale C Message-ID: <1140637137.223382.283570@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Hi to everyone, ; if someone is interested,i'm selling a lot of 110 Alpha Ram G Modules.Some of them are single sided,some double sided,they are all in 0 "cuts" of 256MB,some marked Infineon,some HP,...D I'd like to sell all the lot to spare on shipping and "maybe" give a# little discount on the final price. . But i'll also accept smaller orders if needed.: For info, mail me to : vanjkos at gmail dot com.Greetings!" Shiping from Italy to -worldwide-!   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 23:36:52 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 2 Subject: Re: Andrew, why not Symantec buy OpenVMS?3 Message-ID: <k9Lr0cUj3jgp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <dthp6o$qku$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes: ( > No, honestly, what are you doing here? >   0 	Visiting old friends.  Make that older friends.   			Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:14:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> N Subject: Re: Another suggestion for lexical: PID of process listening onport X, Message-ID: <43FCE243.89CC7D17@teksavvy.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:  > J > IF I am not mistaken, there is no process created by the TCP/IP servicesJ > unless a connection is made, so there would be no "Listening" process toM > check. The TCP/IP service stack listens to a port and creates a process and ? > activates the designated procedure once a connection is made.   C It depends. A Web server such a OSU for instance is always running.   H But a process such as the SMTP receiver is started on demand. (and there3 might be more than one receiver running at a time).   H So I guess I would have to reformulate my request. Instead of asking for. a PID, it shoudl be just a 3 possible answers:  # x = F%TCPIP(80,"PORTSTATUS",nodeid)    where x:, 	FALSE  -> nothing associated with that portA 	1      -> Service mapped to that port is defined and enabled, no  process currently running @      3       -> A process is running and listening to that port.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:51:10 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Blade vs Superdome 2 Message-ID: <yV5Lf.3529$zH4.1299@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote: G > Do such blades start to approach the performance of the interconnects A > between CPUs in Superdome systems ? Or are they still orders of E > magnitudes slower (in terms of interconnects between CPUs only, not  > actual CPUs).   F The interconnects between blades at present usually include 1-Gigabit D Ethernet, Infiniband (typically 10 gigabits at present), with Fibre ) Channel storage (2 gigabits now, 4 soon).   ? These are still 1-2 orders of magnitude slower in latency (and  J bandwidth) than memory-to-memory speeds in an SMP system like a Superdome.  F To put things into perspective from a VMS standpoint, in Marvel class E Alpha systems today you can do a lock request on the local system in  C about 2 microseconds, and that would be essentially the same for a  D uniprocessor or a many-processor SMP machine; through Galaxy shared B memory cluster interconect between two VMS nodes which are Galaxy G instances (within the same box and sharing some memory) it takes about  G 25 microseconds via PBA0 (33 microseconds if you layer PEDRIVER on top  I of an EB device emulating the LAN via Galaxy shared memory), and through  G 1-Gigabit Ethernet over a LAN between nodes about 100 microseconds. So  H anything which has to use an interconnect of some type is significantly : slower than just communicating between CPUs in an SMP box.  7 (Sorry, I don't have Superdome lock request times yet.)   ; > Or let me rephrase the question: Will Blade architectures D > eventually/soon scale to compete/replace Superdome class systems ?  F SMP systems are aimed at problems where sharing memory (and very-fast + access to that shared memory) is important.   G Blades allow a lot of independent CPU/memory/SAN/NIC-combination units  H in a small amount of space. In the VMS world, they hold out the promise H of booting a blade over the SAN from whatever VMS system disk you wish, I thus joining whatever cluster needs help, and thus applying the power of  H that blade to that cluster's workload, with the flexibility of shifting > these processing resources around very easily as needs change.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 13:28:44 -0800 From: bdhobbs18@acm.org & Subject: Re: Boy, do I like VMS humor!C Message-ID: <1140643724.887478.173030@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C Wasn't there an engineering document for determining one's left and D right hand?  I'm not even sure it was a DEC document.  Anyone have a link?    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 15:54:41 -0800' From: "ababeel" <farooq.omar@gmail.com> , Subject: Re: error executing DCL/EXE on CSWSC Message-ID: <1140652480.974704.212720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    apologies for thatA There is no error message in the browser, actually nothing in the  browser, nothing at all..... from error log: F [Wed Feb 22 14:56:00 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.52 (OpenVMS) configured -- resuming normal operations C [Wed Feb 22 14:57:44 2006] [notice] child pid 566268708 exit signal  Illegal instruction (4) C [Wed Feb 22 14:57:44 2006] [notice] child pid 566269223 exit signal  Illegal instruction (4) B Wed Feb 22 15:21:35 2006] [notice] child pid 566269485 exit signal Illegal instruction (4) A [Wed Feb 22 15:22:20 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down F [Wed Feb 22 15:23:34 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.52 (OpenVMS) configured -- resuming normal operations A [Wed Feb 22 15:26:53 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down F [Wed Feb 22 15:27:03 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.52 (OpenVMS) configured -- resuming normal operations D [Wed Feb 22 16:00:12 2006] [error] [client 172.28.223.63] script not3 found or unable to stat: /apache$root/cgi-bin/index    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 16:21:48 -0800' From: "ababeel" <farooq.omar@gmail.com> , Subject: Re: error executing DCL/EXE on CSWSA Message-ID: <1140654108.119944.4770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   E Also, do we need to have anything specific, like any specific file in 3 cgi-bin directory to execute scripts/dcl's etc..... $ The last entry in the error log.....  D [Wed Feb 22 16:00:12 2006] [error] [client 172.28.223.63] script not3 found or unable to stat: /apache$root/cgi-bin/index    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:11:51 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> , Subject: Free SDLT or DLT with DS10 purchase9 Message-ID: <qr3Lf.34557$bW.26709@bignews8.bellsouth.net>   # Specials on DS10 Systems this month   H Buy a DS10 over $4000 and get a free SDLT 110/220GB Tabletop  or DLT8000 tabletop tape drive free !   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: sales@islandco.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:07:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> F Subject: Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalability, Message-ID: <43FCE0A3.ABD48AB9@teksavvy.com>  
 Andrew wrote: H > If your normal transaction load equated to 25% of a 12 way system thenI > turning 8 CPU's off increases your utilisation to 75%. None of this has ! > anything to do with technology.   ? Isn't there minor technology that allows IBM to ensure that the F customers do not turn on the extra CPUs without IBM knowing about it ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:07:58 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> F Subject: Re: Gartner wakes up company executives to X86-64 scalability= Message-ID: <43fc622e$0$67259$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>   
 Andrew wrote: @ > Acheiving high levels of server utilisation is no longer aboutG > technology but about social engineering. OpenVMS does not help you in > > this endeavour any more than AIX, Linux, Solaris or Windows.  I Well one reason why people buy multiple servers is that on Windows it is  F a pain to find out why installing one application screw up an already I working application.  Thus you may end up using so much time looking for  <   what is wrong, that it is cheaper to buy a second machine.  D There are two reasons for that:  First installation scripts are not H human readable, and some times they are encrypted.  In most cases it is G not documented what the installation script does to your machine.  You  8 end up using hacker tools it you really need to know it.  E Secondly error messages on the Windows platform are by tradition not  , informative enough to really help IT-people.  E *NIX and OpenVMS do not have these problems, because they have never  % been intended to be run by end users.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:59:14 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>5 Subject: Re: Here it is: OpenVMS/Alpha on a simulator 2 Message-ID: <dtica2$p33$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  > "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message ) news:43FAE271.17853.35BF94DE@localhost...   D > HP does not give free hardware to hobbyists.  It's unreasonable to, > expect SRI/EI to give away its "hardware".  E I don't expect them to do that. It's just I find EIs positioning as a B premium product slightly puzzling, given that they don't do either? SMP or >4GB memory.  One might think pitching their entry level D product a bit lower (given that they have gone to all the trouble ofG crippling it) would raise their profile and thus be of benefit to them. E It's their business though, and if they can do enough business in the ( midrange niche, then good luck to them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:27:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> P Subject: Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascriptetc?, Message-ID: <43FCE557.F4F23038@teksavvy.com>   Paul Sture wrote: G > I have grabbed sample chunks with wget so that I can analyse and play G > with it locally. Yikes - 88K of (mainly) Javascript on the index page > > alone! Methinks I'll start with one of the smaller pages :-)  O Doesn't beat Air Canada's pages that start/started off with 700k of javascript.   - Just thought of a new way for you to do this:   E Use a proxy web server (or tcpip tracing) and log all requests. So as H you display a page with javascript enabled, you click on each button andD the logging then tells you the actual link that gets called. You can' then build a new page with those links.   B Same with forms. You'll see in the requests what is the URL of theB script when you press "submit", as well as the actual field names, including hidden fields.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 11:14:26 -0800' From: "Scott" <jsd_hoosier@hotmail.com> 8 Subject: Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy ApplicationC Message-ID: <1140635666.527085.184690@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: o > In article <1140628778.165797.293370@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Scott" <jsd_hoosier@hotmail.com> writes: F > :I have a large C based application. It's one large executable. I amH > :trying to incorporate some JNI calls to utilize EJB's for host systemE > :communication.  I am having a heck of a time getting the JNI stuff A > :working with my application.  I have started looking at HP XML H > :Technology for C. It looks like the XML libraries I can at least linkB > :into my .exe. I'm starting to think this is a cleaner solution. > .., > :Any recommendations would be appreciated. > F >   Which tools (Java-based or otherwise) are appropriate can and doesH >   depend on your experience and on your local requirements, of course. > G >   I have been using the libxml2 port that's available, FWIW, and have H >   been building that directly into specific C applications -- there isA >   a copy of the port available at the OpenVMS Freeware website.  > F >   The XML libraries I've worked with -- including libxml2 -- are notF >   exactly light-weight implementations, either.  (The port does haveD >   a way to use a shareable image, but that shareable image can andD >   will require everything relink; it's not going to be the classicC >   upward-compatible shareable image implementation.  You'll still < >   need the VM to use XML (or Java, obviously), of course.) >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------M >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------I >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 11:18:58 -0800' From: "Scott" <jsd_hoosier@hotmail.com> 8 Subject: Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy ApplicationC Message-ID: <1140635938.873122.158910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C Thanks, actually I was thinking of using the OpenVMS XML technology A kit. That way I can link using regular object libraries (at least D that's what it say's) so my existing .exe will be pretty much intactD except for the parts where I need to form/transmit and receive/parse and XML document.   L http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/xml/xmlc_relnotes.html#before   Scott    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 11:27:31 -08005 From: "Tapani Rundgren" <Tapani.Rundgren@treville.se> 8 Subject: Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy ApplicationB Message-ID: <1140636451.608403.74240@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  E > I have a large C based application. It's one large executable. I am G > trying to incorporate some JNI calls to utilize EJB's for host system D > communication.  I am having a heck of a time getting the JNI stuff@ > working with my application.  I have started looking at HP XMLG > Technology for C. It looks like the XML libraries I can at least link E > into my .exe. I'm starting to think this is a cleaner solution. The < > whole JNI stuff seems to require a lot of the application. > I > Because my application is basically a Kiosk type application, there can E > be up to 20 versions running at a time. Starting up a JVM each time * > seems like it will be a lot of overhead. > ; > Does anyone out there have experience in these areas? Any G > recommendations...Such as stay away from JNI....or stay away from XML 
 > on OVMS. > I > My "worst case" fallback solution would be to write a seperate Java app B > to utilize the EJB's and receive input via sockets from the mainH > app....but I guess this is not as cool as incorporating XML or JNI (if > I can get it to work). > + > Any recommendations would be appreciated.  >  > Thanks  < WSIT could be used to generate the required Java interfaces.2 WSIT => Web Services Integration Toolkit - from HP4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/wsit/ /Tapani    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:36:57 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 8 Subject: Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy Application0 Message-ID: <dI5Lf.3524$nI4.85@news.cpqcorp.net>  m In article <1140635938.873122.158910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Scott" <jsd_hoosier@hotmail.com> writes: D :Thanks, actually I was thinking of using the OpenVMS XML technology :kit.   #   Yes, you had indicated that.  :-)   = :That way I can link using regular object libraries (at least E :that's what it say's) so my existing .exe will be pretty much intact E :except for the parts where I need to form/transmit and receive/parse  :and XML document.  H   Yes, libxml2 can provide that.   Here is an intro: http://xmlsoft.org/  H   I've used libxml2, and I know that it can be called from C on OpenVMS,F   and it can perform various useful operations, and I know the port is2   available -- and I know who ported it, too.  :-)  I   Whether or not you find libxml2 useful, or if you might find some other I   tool or library more useful, well, that is another discussion entirely. I   And a matter of your choices, options, requirements and situation, too.   M :http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/xml/xmlc_relnotes.html#before   F   Yes, that -- the Apache Xerces and Xalan ports -- is another option.H   (Particularly if you want somebody else to "deal with it", of course.)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 14:39:10 -0800' From: "Scott" <jsd_hoosier@hotmail.com> 8 Subject: Re: JNI vs. XML on OpenVMS C Legacy ApplicationC Message-ID: <1140647949.971781.115450@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ Thanks. I'm kind of surprised that no one came to the defense ofD OpenVMS JNI, or telling me how they did the same sort of thing using JNI.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 13:33:17 -08003 From: "rsponholtz@gmail.com" <rsponholtz@gmail.com> " Subject: need help with Flakey VLCB Message-ID: <1140643997.373189.60920@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hi, E I just got my first Vaxstation 4000 VLC off ebay, and I'm having some D trouble with it.  I hooked up a drive and and powered it on, and the@ boot ROM stuff came up on my serial terminal.  So I proceeded toD install VMS with no problems.  But then when rebooting, the boot romE indicated memory problems.  I cycled power, and then the LEDs stopped  on this:	 1111 1011   > Of course, I took the memory out, put it back, cleaned off the contacts,etc. to no avail.  G I came back a couple days later, and the machine booted just fine!  ran E for a while, and I set up my hobbyist licenses and started installing F TCP/IP.  Thats when the machine froze up.  On power cycling, I got the same 1111 1011 on the LEDs.   : Any idea what the problem might be, or how I might fix it?   Thanks for your help,  Ross   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:36:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: need help with Flakey VLC, Message-ID: <43FCE75E.52BC7145@teksavvy.com>   "rsponholtz@gmail.com" wrote: E > I came back a couple days later, and the machine booted just fine!    F Make sure your fans are all working. Could be a question of heat build up on older electronics.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 16:46:29 -0800" From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk& Subject: Re: need help with Flakey VLCC Message-ID: <1140655588.975715.259230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    rsponholtz@gmail.com wrote: F > install VMS with no problems.  But then when rebooting, the boot romG > indicated memory problems.  I cycled power, and then the LEDs stopped 
 > on this: > 1111 1011   5 Thanks to Cliff's giving us the link to the manual at F http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/dec94mds/v48vbsv1.pdf in a recentB thread, I see from Section B.1.1 that 1111 1011 means it's doing aE memory test. I suggest you swap out SIMMs (I think you have to remove F pairs if you don't have a replacement) and home in on which is flakey. See that other thread atq http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/1f4acf38b8b51f45/fb1f585479c52ff6#fb1f585479c52ff6  for what you can use.    Chris    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 14:45:29 -0800 From: bdhobbs18@acm.org 1 Subject: object names from executable image files C Message-ID: <1140648329.441495.186940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I'm trying to figure out what programs are in use on my system and what F programs can be retired.  I was able to use log files from the past 18B months (must include end-of-year and other infrequent jobs), matchD those to command procedures, parse the logs and coms for file specs,F and come up with a fairly complete list of programs used in batch, allD in a command procedure.  I will then match the used list against all? batch programs to come up with a list of retirement candidates.   ? Now I'm trying to do the same for the interactive side, but I'm E stumped.  Many executables are composed of multiple object files (the C batch side doesn't do this), and the compile and link listings were G discarded some time ago.  I'd rather not compile and link just to parse E the listings, as some of the source files have changed from what went D into the executables (management has strange ideas how configurationE management should work).  I tried analyze/image, looked at debug, and ? came up with nothing.  The routine lib$find_image_symbol looked F promising until I *didn't* read anything about wildcards in the symbol name.   A So, given an executable image file, how would one figure out what % objects went into creating that file?   B Oh, did I mention that the source files are COBOL?  And both "call' literal" and "call data name" are used?   G Currently running VMS 7.3 and COBOL 2.7, though most of the executables 0 were compiled and linked under earlier versions.  C I'm thinking that I'll have to settle for the current source files, F parse them for my list, and be very careful ... but maybe the lords of" cov will have an elegant solution.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:53:24 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs , Message-ID: <43fccf45$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F The problem is that the functionality of a terminal emulator is easilyK encompassed by software on a PC - there is a nearly non-existant (too small L for companies to make a business out of it) for dedicated terminal hardware.  H Are all PC emulators good?  Nope.  But they are generally speaking "good enough".      , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A51B3C.714ABB2E@SendSpamHere.ORG...4 > In article <43fc8645@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "FredK"$ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > >  > >  > > " > >> >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > >> >> G > >> >>> because our users want flat screen monitors for desk space and  since I I > >> >>> can't seem to find a flat panel VT monitor on the market (I have J > >> >>> requested this for years) and since dell is giving them away, and > >sinceH > >> >>> a dell with free flat screen is alot cheaper than a thin client& > >> >>> solution, you have NO choice! > >> >>> > > L > >Just as a note, asking for sophisticated "VT" as in "terminals" is prettyJ > >pointless.  The "teminal" is on its last legs, and there is a dwindlingL > >supply of makers at-all.  The price/point crossover for a cheap PC versusF > >the limited functionality of a VT happened a long time ago, and the legacy+ > >demands for terminals is very, very low.  > J > If that's the case, why have so many PeeCee/Weendoze terminal emulations$ > been complicating my life of late? >  >  > --  2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:58:40 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs = Message-ID: <43fc6e0f$0$78281$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Andrew wrote:  > B >>As an example the continued assertion that UNIX cannot support aA >>rootless security environement because apparently it just isn't F >>designed that way, a point only slightly ruined by the  fact that it >>allready does. >  >  > 
 > Mr Andrew,   > G > One could argue the same with Windows, yet, most Windows applications I > just require all mighty privileges just because the programmer designed H > it this way (or was too lazy to documeht exactly what privs are needed > and properly design the app).   I Or OpenVMS applications requiring SYSNAM in stead of putting the logical  G   names in a separate table.  Or applications requiring PHYIO in stead  4 of telling people to put an ACL on specific devices.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 17:07:53 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs C Message-ID: <1140656873.066787.127340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B WHAT???  We use LA36s from genicom alot!  Used to be a DEC printerF (LA30) until sold to genicom ... and I know many labs and others still8 running them ... you don't get out much Fred, do you? :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:18:03 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: OT: Complexity of compilers (Power's CELL) , Message-ID: <43FD456D.B9F72CCC@teksavvy.com>  d > http://news.com.com/Octopiler+seeks+to+arm+Cell+programmers/2100-1007_3-6042132.html?tag=nefd.lede  A If you thought the compilers for that IA64 thing were bloated and @ complex.... The above article describes IBM's upcoming Octopiler  designed for its "Cell" systems.  H Each system is made up of a PowerPc 970 core, and 8 separate CPUs aroundF it. The compile must not only break up source code into tasks for eachG of the specialised processors, but also generate different machine code A since they don't all use the Power architecture instruction set !   F Some of those processors have the ability to deal with different pathsN at the same time (aka: modify values in different locations at the same time).   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 12:14:50 -0800, From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>: Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!C Message-ID: <1140639290.504049.167060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G In fact there is no "secure" OS. ALL of them have a weakness somewhere. A The systems themselves are too complex not to have loop holes and C glitches buried in them....if you know how and were to look. So the   entire argument is largely moot.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:40:45 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!1 Message-ID: <NL5Lf.3526$nI4.469@news.cpqcorp.net>   r In article <1140639290.504049.167060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com> writes:H :In fact there is no "secure" OS. ALL of them have a weakness somewhere.B :The systems themselves are too complex not to have loop holes andD :glitches buried in them....if you know how and were to look. So the! :entire argument is largely moot.   G   I'm not sure I'd make that claim around a Class A1 system or similar, F   though those systems do tend to be rare -- Class A1 systems are veryF   tough systems to crack into, and the security requirements involved D   in reaching that NCSC class involve formal proof and verification.F   But yes, Class A1 systems are sufficiently rare that they could well   be considered moot.  :-)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Feb 2006 22:24:12 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!+ Message-ID: <4646kbF9cmqeU1@individual.net>   1 In article <NL5Lf.3526$nI4.469@news.cpqcorp.net>, & 	hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:t > In article <1140639290.504049.167060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com> writes:I >:In fact there is no "secure" OS. ALL of them have a weakness somewhere. C >:The systems themselves are too complex not to have loop holes and E >:glitches buried in them....if you know how and were to look. So the " >:entire argument is largely moot. > I >   I'm not sure I'd make that claim around a Class A1 system or similar, H >   though those systems do tend to be rare -- Class A1 systems are veryH >   tough systems to crack into, and the security requirements involved F >   in reaching that NCSC class involve formal proof and verification.H >   But yes, Class A1 systems are sufficiently rare that they could well >   be considered moot.  :-)  B Yes, but remember that the first requirement is "no copnnection toC the outside world".  By todays standards that makes it pretty tough D to do business.  But then, if you lock it in a secure room, only letD people you trust (in the security clearance sense of the word) touchD it and only run the application it was set up for even Windows wouldF be secure. (This was, of course, the biggest flaw in the infamous "WarF Games" movie.  The machine involved would never have had a modem on itB and it is unlikely they would even have allowed a phone line to be terminated in the same room.)   C I remember a time when you could not even have two terminals in the C same room if one was connected to a classified system and one to an D unclas system.  Today, you can have both classified and unclassified& networks in the same room.  Go figure.   bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 15:21:38 -0800) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> / Subject: Size limit on filename created by zip? C Message-ID: <1140650498.604649.207290@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D I'm trying to use ZIP. when the target zip filename is 73 charactersE long (including disk & directory) I get a "zip I/O error: i/o error". E When it is less than 73 characters then zip works fine. The file name F is generated by combining the original filename, version, and creation date.   " Here is the zip version I'm using:     zip -v  Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP% Type 'zip "-L"' for software license. 2 This is Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999), by Info-ZIP.G Currently maintained by Onno van der Linden. Please send bug reports to > the authors at Zip-Bugs@lists.wku.edu; see README for details.  F Latest sources and executables are at ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip, as of C above date; see http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Zip.html for other  sites.  C Compiled with DEC C V6.2-003 for OpenVMS (V7.2 for Alpha) on Apr 15  2000.     Zip special compilation options:         USE_EF_UT_TIME         VMS_PK_EXTRA   Zip environment options:         ZIP_OPTS:  [none]            ZIPOPT:  [none]    Machine & VMS version:; OpenVMS V7.3-2  (almost all the latest patches are applied)  AlphaServer ES400 The target disk has plenty of space and is ODS-2> The file that is being zipped is 2 Gb. (But it works as above)  / Anybody have any idea as to what is happening??    Thanks in advance    Ken    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:41:05 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)3 Subject: Re: Size limit on filename created by zip? 2 Message-ID: <06022218410581_20331674@antinode.org>  ) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com>   F > I'm trying to use ZIP. when the target zip filename is 73 charactersG > long (including disk & directory) I get a "zip I/O error: i/o error". G > When it is less than 73 characters then zip works fine. The file name H > is generated by combining the original filename, version, and creation > date.   F    It's hard to diagnose without seeing the actual file name.  Does it$ work with, say, an editor or CREATE?  4 > This is Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999), by Info-ZIP.  C    I claim that you'd be happier with 2.31 (March 4th 2005), but it ( probably wouldn't affect this complaint.  2 > The target disk has plenty of space and is ODS-2  2    ODS2 does limit the length of legal file names.  @ > The file that is being zipped is 2 Gb. (But it works as above)  G    Expect trouble when you get past 2GB.  Beta versions of Zip 3.0e and G UnZip 6.0c exist, which should provide large-file support if your C RTL  does.   1 > Anybody have any idea as to what is happening??   7    Only guesses, due to the lack of the critical datum.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Feb 2006 18:39:23 -0800) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> 3 Subject: Re: Size limit on filename created by zip? C Message-ID: <1140662363.563796.266700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   " Steven M. Schweda wrote (in part):  H >    It's hard to diagnose without seeing the actual file name.  Does it& > work with, say, an editor or CREATE?  F Create didn't work either, so it was the total length of the filename.> It's been so long since I hit that problem, I forgot about it.  F I changed the command procedure to generate shorter filenames and it's working again.   Thanks.    Ken Robinson   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:07:59 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)3 Subject: Re: Size limit on filename created by zip? 2 Message-ID: <06022223075906_20331674@antinode.org>  ) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com>   H > Create didn't work either, so it was the total length of the filename.@ > It's been so long since I hit that problem, I forgot about it. > H > I changed the command procedure to generate shorter filenames and it's > working again.  D    Well, more likely the length of the name part (or the type part),< rather than the total, but whatever.  Thanks for the report.  H    If you're really dealing with files bigger than a few megabytes, thenH I really do recommend versions later than Zip 2.3 and UnZip 5.51.  AfterE those, the VMS I/O got some non-trivial changes (RMS parameters), and 9 the I/O speed increase is significant in many situations.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:43:33 -0600  From: Mike <mike> 6 Subject: Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay?5 Message-ID: <Xns9772AA25262A9mikeX932@216.196.97.136>   5 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in $ news:43FA902C.8C74A6ED@comcast.net:   
 > Mike wrote:  >>  B >> tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote in news:1140228322.379320.224610! >> @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:  >>  : >> > Most of the VAXes on ebay (for now) are being sold byG >> > companies. A couple of weeks ago there was a 3100 SPX that started F >> > out at 9.95. I had a 3100-85 that I just sold for 300.00 but thenF >> > it was loaded 3 Seagate 18gb drives, a dds-3 tape drive and a ton >> > of software. phill  >> > >>  < >> So, should I put my MVII Worldbox with ka655 CPU on ebay? >  > Isn't that a MVIII?  >   I No/Yes.  The BA123 is a MVII box; the KA650 is a MVIII CPU... whatever.    Want it?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.107 ************************