1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 26 Feb 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 113       Contents:& Re: Building SSL support on VMS V7.3-2; Re: ds10l typical power consumption, and any other opinions ; Re: ds10l typical power consumption, and any other opinions  Re: Error message help?  Re: Error message help? / Re: Have Rainbow, Free (+shipping) to Good Home / Re: Have Rainbow, Free (+shipping) to Good Home  Re: OpenVMS screenshots? Re: OpenVMS screenshots? Re: OpenVMS screenshots? RE: OpenVMS screenshots?# Re: question about VMS732_LMF-V0200 # Re: question about VMS732_LMF-V0200 # Re: question about VMS732_LMF-V0200 # Re: question about VMS732_LMF-V0200 , Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-), Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-), Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-), Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-)* Spinning down DSSI disks when not in use ? Re: SYS and EXE file specs?  Re: SYS and EXE file specs?  Re: VAX 7000 series  Re: VAX 7000 series  Re: VAX 7000 series * Re: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD?* Re: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD?* RE: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD?* Re: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD?0 Re: Windows XP inner workings revealed publicly.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:42:49 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)/ Subject: Re: Building SSL support on VMS V7.3-2 2 Message-ID: <06022512424895_2022AF16@antinode.org>  & From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>  D > Right, as noted on the website the FTP client is available only in0 > the Unix version of C-Kermit and in Kermit 95.  ;    Anyone desperate for entertainment might wish to peruse:   0       http://antinode.org/ftp/kermit/2006-02-25/+       ftp://antinode.org/kermit/2006-02-25/   A The CKVKER.COM procedure has two new "P2" options: F = large-file F support, and I = internal FTP.  (No complaint for "F" on VAX -- lazy.)  D    The source modules have been changed (just) enough to inhibit theG compiler warnings (and a few informationals).  Note that a few of these @ changes should be main-lined, as the (formerly) missing function@ prototypes and the like should be harmless, even on systems withE compilers which don't spew %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC every chance they get.  H For old times' sake, I left in a couple of %CC-I-QUESTCOMPARE generators (CKCFTP.C):   6 static unsigned short ftp_port = 0;     /* FTP port */     if (ftp_port <= 0) {  .         static unsigned int nin = 0, bufp = 0;<             nin = bufp = recv(fd,(char *)ucbuf,actualbuf,0);             if (nin <= 0) {   E That second one is particularly worrisome, as recv() might be able to F return -1, but, being unsigned, "nin" is unlikely ever to go negative.  C    Expect only basic ASCII and BINARY FTP transfers. not any of the . fancy VMS-to-VMS attribute preservation stuff.  G    I did no large-file testing, but one of the code changes was made to H remove a complaint about a 64-bit integer versus a "%ld" format, so what could go wrong?   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2006 11:33:43 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> D Subject: Re: ds10l typical power consumption, and any other opinionsC Message-ID: <1140896023.317370.154800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>    Tom Garcia wrote: K > Thinking about using one for a home vms server, so was wondering what the N > typical power draw was on one of these things... please mention whether bare0 > or with a number of drives or other expansion. > M > Any subjective comments on use of these boxes -- noise, reliability, etc -- L > would be welcome :-). As far as I'm aware, the two main gotchas are brokenF > USB (disabled for some reason in later firmware builds ?) and use of > nonstandard RAM. >  > Thanks very much,  >  > --# > Tom Garcia | tgarcia@hivemind.org    Tom,  B    Power draw on these things is not much. I haven't any measuringE tools but two of them turned on at once don't even register on my APC A UPS and as Dave Turner mentioned the P/S is rated at 150W so they A shouldn't put much of a strain on any power circuit.  Their other C advantage(s) are that for an EV6 (or EV67 with the 667MHz) they are > available rather cheap and they are small.  The disadvantages,: depending on your needs, may be somewhat worse.  They are:  F 1)  One PCI slot.  There is no built-in SCSI on the motherboard so youA have a big decision to make. Either you get a video card to run a F graphical (i.e. DECwindows) console and use the internal IDE drive forG storage (max 30GB standard - can be expaned with your own disk drive to @ 128GB I believe).  Or put a SCSI controller for some much fasterF storage (the IDE on these has been horribly slow in my experience) andA use either a serial (VT100) console and an X11 window server from A another system.  I chose the latter (SAN instead of SCSI though).   E 2)  They do run pretty warm and the noise can be a problem.  Mine are A in the basement helping heat it along with 2 AlphaPC 264DP (DS20E @ "clones"), 2 A/S 1200's a couple of XP1000's and a slew of otherG miscellaneous equipment.  I don't notice the noise since they are quite @ drown out by the A/C unit, other systems and the 50+ SCSI drivesF whirring along in the racks.  In my bedroom with the Mac Mini it would0 sound like a hurricane coming through Ii'm sure.  F 3)  Memory is limited to 1GB max. This may or may not be a problem. MyD philosphy on memory is the more the merrier.  The 200-pin makes it aA bit hard to find but I've seen a pretty steady supply on Ebay for   anywhere between $80 and $225/GB  A For me these work pretty well as they are a clustered pair of web D servers.  As a workstation they would not be ideal for me.  I use an? XP1000 as my VMS workstation which has more PCI slots and other E configuration options (drive slots/card slots).  The problem with the F XP1000 though is that the firmware development stopped at V5.9 and now@ VMS V8.2 complains on every boot even though it still runs.  TheB DS10(L)'s firmware is still being updated (currently V7.1 released 12/2005) which is nice.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:47:25 -0500 * From: "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>D Subject: Re: ds10l typical power consumption, and any other opinions: Message-ID: <6d4Mf.59926$697.12081@bignews3.bellsouth.net>  H a nice dual u160 runs good - plug it into an external array and it runs  nicely8 Heat problem is nowhere as bad when using EXTERNAL disksG I find that simply running a tabletop fan directed at the box keeps it   considerably cooler L Mine is in the basement here but it gets very very hot in GA USA and so far  the DS10L was not over 38C       DT, <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1140896023.317370.154800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...  >  > Tom Garcia wrote: L >> Thinking about using one for a home vms server, so was wondering what theK >> typical power draw was on one of these things... please mention whether   >> bare 1 >> or with a number of drives or other expansion.  >>H >> Any subjective comments on use of these boxes -- noise, reliability, 	 >> etc -- G >> would be welcome :-). As far as I'm aware, the two main gotchas are  	 >> broken G >> USB (disabled for some reason in later firmware builds ?) and use of  >> nonstandard RAM.  >> >> Thanks very much, >> >> -- $ >> Tom Garcia | tgarcia@hivemind.org >  > Tom, > C >   Power draw on these things is not much. I haven't any measuring G > tools but two of them turned on at once don't even register on my APC C > UPS and as Dave Turner mentioned the P/S is rated at 150W so they C > shouldn't put much of a strain on any power circuit.  Their other E > advantage(s) are that for an EV6 (or EV67 with the 667MHz) they are @ > available rather cheap and they are small.  The disadvantages,< > depending on your needs, may be somewhat worse.  They are: > H > 1)  One PCI slot.  There is no built-in SCSI on the motherboard so youC > have a big decision to make. Either you get a video card to run a H > graphical (i.e. DECwindows) console and use the internal IDE drive forI > storage (max 30GB standard - can be expaned with your own disk drive to B > 128GB I believe).  Or put a SCSI controller for some much fasterH > storage (the IDE on these has been horribly slow in my experience) andC > use either a serial (VT100) console and an X11 window server from C > another system.  I chose the latter (SAN instead of SCSI though).  > G > 2)  They do run pretty warm and the noise can be a problem.  Mine are C > in the basement helping heat it along with 2 AlphaPC 264DP (DS20E B > "clones"), 2 A/S 1200's a couple of XP1000's and a slew of otherI > miscellaneous equipment.  I don't notice the noise since they are quite B > drown out by the A/C unit, other systems and the 50+ SCSI drivesH > whirring along in the racks.  In my bedroom with the Mac Mini it would2 > sound like a hurricane coming through Ii'm sure. > H > 3)  Memory is limited to 1GB max. This may or may not be a problem. MyF > philosphy on memory is the more the merrier.  The 200-pin makes it aC > bit hard to find but I've seen a pretty steady supply on Ebay for " > anywhere between $80 and $225/GB > C > For me these work pretty well as they are a clustered pair of web F > servers.  As a workstation they would not be ideal for me.  I use anA > XP1000 as my VMS workstation which has more PCI slots and other G > configuration options (drive slots/card slots).  The problem with the H > XP1000 though is that the firmware development stopped at V5.9 and nowB > VMS V8.2 complains on every boot even though it still runs.  TheD > DS10(L)'s firmware is still being updated (currently V7.1 released > 12/2005) which is nice.  >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2006 14:01:53 -0500. From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)  Subject: Re: Error message help?, Message-ID: <6oY$1ngtJhHk@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  * Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > # >> Not if your concern is security. ; >> DECnet Phase 5 has no notion of SET DEFAULT ACCESS NONE.  > ; > Out of curiosity is DECNET Phase IV supported on Itanium?   @ I don't know if it's supported, but it certainly works (for me).  ( $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "hw_name" ) HP rx2600  (1.30GHz/3.0MB)   $ mc ncp list exec char   9 Node Permanent Characteristics as of 25-FEB-2006 13:54:17    Executor node = 3.179 (MERLIN)  ! Management version       = V4.0.0 ( Type                     = nonrouting IV Maximum address          = 1023    --    L Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:15:49 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: Error message help?$ Message-ID: <dtqhe5$ffo$2@online.de>  H In article <6oY$1ngtJhHk@cuebid.zko.hp.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:    , > Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > % > >> Not if your concern is security. = > >> DECnet Phase 5 has no notion of SET DEFAULT ACCESS NONE.  > > = > > Out of curiosity is DECNET Phase IV supported on Itanium?  > B > I don't know if it's supported, but it certainly works (for me).  H I'm pretty sure I remember an announcement saying that, due to customer F demand, it was being ported to Itanium (I believe DECforms was in the  same announcement).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:33:52 -0500 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 8 Subject: Re: Have Rainbow, Free (+shipping) to Good HomeI Message-ID: <8660a3a10602251133y4f6bf96ak8517300dc27fb473@mail.gmail.com>    On 2/20/06, Mike <mike> wrote:L > Well, whom else would know of a good home for an old DEC Rainbow than the= n  > comp.os.VMS gang.  > K > I have one rainbow, two vr201 monitors, two lk201 keyboards.  Three years L > ago the rainbow would boot, it now powers on with the message "See OwNer'= s # > MaNual - MESSAGE 31 - Main Board"  > L > For the cost of packaging and shipping you can have these classic pieces = of > Digital past.  > 3 > send request to mike<dot>omalley<at>mail<dot>com.  >  >         ...Mike  >   F What I'd really like to get my hands on, for sentimental reasons, is aC VAX 8530 console stand- the unit that the PRO380? attached to- that B had a VT/monitor platform with a keyboard platform in front of and' slightly below the VT/monitor platform.   0 I think it was designated as a  VT2XX something.   WWWebb --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2006 13:12:21 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: Have Rainbow, Free (+shipping) to Good HomeC Message-ID: <1140901941.737429.107410@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    William Webb wrote:   > On 2/20/06, Mike <mike> wrote:N > > Well, whom else would know of a good home for an old DEC Rainbow than then > > comp.os.VMS gang.  > > M > > I have one rainbow, two vr201 monitors, two lk201 keyboards.  Three years N > > ago the rainbow would boot, it now powers on with the message "See OwNer's% > > MaNual - MESSAGE 31 - Main Board"  > > O > > For the cost of packaging and shipping you can have these classic pieces of  > > Digital past.  > > 5 > > send request to mike<dot>omalley<at>mail<dot>com.  > >  > >         ...Mike  > >  > H > What I'd really like to get my hands on, for sentimental reasons, is aE > VAX 8530 console stand- the unit that the PRO380? attached to- that D > had a VT/monitor platform with a keyboard platform in front of and) > slightly below the VT/monitor platform.  > 2 > I think it was designated as a  VT2XX something. >  > WWWebb > --E > NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  > correspondence. E > All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for : > services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at% > http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/   G That stand that looked like ET?  I'd forgotten all about those.  We had B one or two at the college I worked for hooked up to our VAX 8350s.& Just a VT220 on it though, not PRO380.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:13:30 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: OpenVMS screenshots? + Message-ID: <4400E49A.A161C6DD@comcast.net>    as400 wrote: > > > Since I now know that OpenVMS may be the most secure UNIX OSE > around...Can anyone please provide me with a link to view some nice ! > screenshots of OpenVMS? Please?   A There are several publicly accessible OpenVMS clusters available:   H o HP's TestDrive Cluster. Peruse the HP website for info on how to get a testdrive account.  ? o Encompasserve - Well, not entirely "public" since you need an 2 Encompass membership, but those can be freely had.  ; o The "DeathRow" Cluster. Google this group for references.   - That said, here's the simplest "screen shot":       A  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-2      Username: ddachtera 
 Password: A    Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-2 >     Last interactive login on Tuesday, 14-FEB-2006 22:03:26.63C     Last non-interactive login on Saturday, 25-FEB-2006 00:00:00.11    $   D There is a GUI available. DECwindows/MOTIF provides the CDE Desktop,D similar to Solaris and some other UN*X flavors. The GUI is optional.@ System management is typically done via the character-cell / CLI
 interface.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:43:03 +0000 (UTC) ? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> ! Subject: Re: OpenVMS screenshots? 9 Message-ID: <4400EBD7.4C9A154B@encompasserve-or-this.org>    David J Dachtera wrote:  >   A > o Encompasserve - Well, not entirely "public" since you need an 4 > Encompass membership, but those can be freely had.  A There's no longer a requirement to be a member of anything to get C an account on DECUServe (aka EISNER, aka Encompasserve), just point A your telnet client at decuserve.org and follow the bouncing ball.  (login as REGISTRATION).  = > o The "DeathRow" Cluster. Google this group for references.   2 Telnet to deathrow.vistech.net (login as NEWUSER).  A Both systems support SSH once you've created an account/username.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:37:15 -0500  From: BobH <bobh@x.y> ! Subject: Re: OpenVMS screenshots? ) Message-ID: <fD7Mf.2256$PW2.893@fe04.lga>    Graham Burley wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote:  >  > A >>o Encompasserve - Well, not entirely "public" since you need an 4 >>Encompass membership, but those can be freely had. >  > C > There's no longer a requirement to be a member of anything to get E > an account on DECUServe (aka EISNER, aka Encompasserve), just point C > your telnet client at decuserve.org and follow the bouncing ball.  > (login as REGISTRATION).  @ You can also get started via the web at http://eisner.decus.org/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:17:21 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ! Subject: RE: OpenVMS screenshots? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB7D3FB7@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----. > From: as400 [mailto:vin42and99@yahoo.com]=20" > Sent: February 25, 2006 12:19 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: OpenVMS screenshots?  >=20> > Since I now know that OpenVMS may be the most secure UNIX OSE > around...Can anyone please provide me with a link to view some nice ! > screenshots of OpenVMS? Please?  >=20 > Thanks >=20 >=20  A Drop me a note offline and I will send you a ppt or pdf file with F OpenVMS mgmt gui screenshots (disks, queues, Avail mgr, user auth file etc)   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:10:10 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply), Subject: Re: question about VMS732_LMF-V0200$ Message-ID: <dtqh3h$ffo$1@online.de>  6 In article <44007925@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg". <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> writes:    > N > "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>1 > wrote in message news:dtnitk$81c$2@online.de... 5 > > A new patch has been announced: VMS732_LMF-V0200.  > > # > > In part, the announcement says:  > > L > > ---------8<------------------------------------------------------------- > > ? > >      INSTALL_2 : To be installed by all customers using the * > >                  following feature(s): > > # > >       -  PCL license management  > > E > >      2.3  Version(s) of OpenVMS to which this kit may be applied:  > >  > >      OpenVMS ALPHA V7.3-2  > > A > >      2.4  New functionality or new hardware support provided:  > >  > >      Yes > > J > > 5  NEW FUNCTIONALITY AND/OR PROBLEMS ADDRESSED IN THE VMS732_LMF-V0200
 > >    KIT > > 5 > >      5.1  New functionality addressed in this kit  > > ' > >           5.1.1  Per-Core Licensing  > > 6 > >                5.1.1.1  Functionality Description: > > G > >                The next version of the OpenVMS Industry standard 64 J > >                operating system will introduce support for new type ofH > >                licenses - Per-Core Licenses (PCL).  PCL licenses areG > >                intended to support the next generation of Integrity  > >                servers.  > > J > >                This change adds the ability to manage and generate PCLH > >                licenses from prior versions of the operating system.L > >                More details on PCL licenses will be available in the New6 > >                Features manual of the new version. > > L > > ---------8<------------------------------------------------------------- > > + > > Do PCL licenses exist already on ALPHA?  > > H > > I am certainly not using them.  I have not consciously installed anyK > > software to do so.  CAN I install the patch?  (I prefer keeping patches K > > up to date so that I don't have to remember to install them if I decide = > > to use a feature in the future which I am not using now.)  > > H > > It seems to be an Itanium-only feature; what's the point of an ALPHA
 > > patch? > > G > > Since there was no equivalent VAX announcement, I conclude that the J > > number of folks planning to migrate from VAX to Itanium, at least with" > > no ALPHA in-between, is small. > > H > > By the way, has it been decided yet whether 7.3 will remain the last > > version of VMS for VAX?  > >  > B > I considered posting a message here before we released the PATCH6 > to clear things up....sorry for forgetting about it. > : > On IA64 we currently license by the number of CPUs, each: > CPU requires 1 unit, this is known as PPL (Per Processor< > License) license. PPL licenses are only supported on IA64,< > however, in a mixed arch cluster, you may be interested in> > moving/copying/registering/deleting/generating PPL PAKs from* > your alpha box, so the support is there. > G > With V8.3 (IA64 only) we are going to license by the number of cores. 5 > Each processor core requires one unit. PCL licenses 4 > are introduced to support Montecito processors and5 > new pricing. The LMF kit adds the ability to manage = > PCL licenses from existing Alpha systems. LMF will continue  > to support existing PPL PAKs.   F Thanks for the info.  Back to my question, though: apparently I don't H need this patch, at least as long as I have no Itanium boxes.  However, H I would rather install it, to keep up-to-date, so I don't have to worry G about it when I DO have an Itanium box in the cluster.  So, apart from  F the usual caveats about never touching a running system, is there any  reason NOT to install it?   6 > And....AFAIK there is no change on our VAX decision,? > which is TBD for now....I have not heard it was canclled, but 5 > I'll check Monday morning and will get back to you.    Thanks.   I Assuming 7.3 is to be the latest VAX version, could one then assume that  + it will cluster with any 8.X ALPHA version?   ! Will there ever be 9.X for ALPHA?   E I know that VAX and Itanium in one cluster isn't supported, but also  I that HP folks have demonstrated such a cluster.  I know that the cluster  E protocoll doesn't have to obey the transitive property, but if VAX X  I clusters with ALPHA Y, and ALPHA Y clusters with Itanium Y (same version  H of VMS on ALPHA and Itanium, to keep it simple), what, from a technical H point of view, COULD cause problems between VAX and Itanium?  Or is the = lack of support purely due to "not enough demand to test it"?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:50:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: question about VMS732_LMF-V0200, Message-ID: <4400FB5B.EE6FFC7B@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > of VMS on ALPHA and Itanium, to keep it simple), what, from a technical I > point of view, COULD cause problems between VAX and Itanium?  Or is the ? > lack of support purely due to "not enough demand to test it"?   H If they add new features, thsoe new features may cause problems when theA VAX joins the cluster because it won't understand what they mean.   A Consider ODS5.  VAX may not support it, it it has enough logic to ' tolerate other nodes having ODS5 disks.   B Question: currently, if you do cluster a VAX with one of them IA64> things, and from the VAX, you issue of F$GETSYI("HW_NAME") andH F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME"),  does it actually fetch the character values fromG the remote nodes and display properly, or woudl it issue some "unknown" F outpout because the numeric values it gets from the others nodes don'tI match anything it its onw table of valid architectures and system names ?    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2006 20:50:49 -0500. From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks), Subject: Re: question about VMS732_LMF-V0200, Message-ID: <PRbeN1yqI+Gg@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   D > Question: currently, if you do cluster a VAX with one of them IA64@ > things, and from the VAX, you issue of F$GETSYI("HW_NAME") andJ > F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME"),  does it actually fetch the character values fromI > the remote nodes and display properly, or woudl it issue some "unknown" H > outpout because the numeric values it gets from the others nodes don'tK > match anything it its onw table of valid architectures and system names ?   " From one of my test clusters . . .   $ sho sys/noprocH OpenVMS V7.3  on node BOOLA  25-FEB-2006 20:43:41.33  Uptime  8 02:56:21  * $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "arch_name" ) VAX   4 $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "arch_name", "sampsn" ) IA64   --    L Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:09 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: question about VMS732_LMF-V0200, Message-ID: <44011139.677F0421@teksavvy.com>   Rob Brooks wrote: J > OpenVMS V7.3  on node BOOLA  25-FEB-2006 20:43:41.33  Uptime  8 02:56:21  F When was 7.3 released ? Was it released after June 25 2001 or before ?  6 > $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "arch_name", "sampsn" ) > IA64  @ OK, let me rephrase the question. Say Hoff and FredK were reallyB productive this weekend and ported VMS to the Arm platform.  WouldA existing VAXes issue "ARM" for the arch_name, or would they issue A "unknown" ? (aka: does the string come from the actual system and C transmitted via SCS to all nodes, or does each node have a table of + architecture name vs architecture numbers ?    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2006 15:53:39 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) 3 Message-ID: <lOlDbBD6D60s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43FFC8DD.9DF9D697@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:F >>         Come on purse your lips... give us a "death of VMS."   JustQ >>         for old times sake.   The good old days of "VMS death", ah... I harken  >>         back: >  >  > I > You may have quotes stuff from archives out of context, and some text I I > don't ever recall ever having typed. But guess what is more important :  >   E 	Every quote straight out of comp.os.vms archives.  See for yourself, = 	takes all of 30 seconds to find any one of them.  Here, I'll  	even help you get started:   ( http://groups.google.com/advanced_search    $ > JF ramblings and interpretations ? >  > OR  : 	Doesn't matter.  You're comparing/contrasting VMS to MPE.* 	Smells like your old death FUDding to me.  G > When HP officially annoucnes it sees no growth potential for VMS, and G > when information was recently let out that the installed bas had been E > "consolidated" from 400k down to 300k systems,  guess what the bean / > counters at HP will start calculating ???????   ? 	Ummm... let me guess.  VMS death?  The same thing you've been  < 	ranting about for over 10 years?  GIVE US A BREAK!  SHEESH!  R http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/97948fc9a56afbc0?dmode=source&hl=en  " Subject: Meaning of OpenVMS vs VMS Date: 1996/02/04 x-nntp-posting-user: MEZEI_JF  organization: DECUServe  newsgroups: comp.os.vms     I If you hear someone say VMS, it means that they have not succombed to the L meaningless marketing fluff that harmed VMS more than it helped by confusing4 customers who were already fearing the death of VMS.   -----    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:04:34 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) , Message-ID: <4400FE97.49CBCF3C@teksavvy.com>   Rob Young wrote:C >         Doesn't matter.  You're comparing/contrasting VMS to MPE. 3 >         Smells like your old death FUDding to me.     G Do you have any hard evidence that HP will not do to VMS what it did to  MPE ?    Has HP begun to market VMS ?  H Does HP intend to change its policy to restrict VMS to only the high end8 and within the high end, to within a few market niches ?  G How do you think HP strategists and bean counters think when they learn - that the installed base has shrunk big time ?   : Despite corporate downsizing, has HP grown VMS engineering? budgets/staffing so that they can increase development of VMS ?   C Do you really have trust in a company whose top managers state that D there isn't much growth potential for VMS, when and tell Wall Street1 Casono analists that they focus on growth areas ?     E The fact that I don't question HP's commitment to Windows/8086, Sun's F commitment to Solaris, Mircosoft's commitment to Windows, but questionH HP's commitment to VMS means that there are *some* signals emitted by HPG that lead me to question their commitment to VMS. Am I misreading those  signlas ? You would say so.   D But why is HP continuing to emit such signals that lead some/many to+ interpret them as insecure future for VMS ?   H Would you rather be more paranoid and perhaps take preventive actions toG prevent HP from doing an MPE to VMS ? Or do you prefer to have faith in @ VM'S management and not worry about VMS at all, and when they doG announce it as a done deal, you won't be able to do anything about it ?    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Feb 2006 02:11:31 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) + Message-ID: <46ch1lFahiboU1@individual.net>   , In article <4400FE97.49CBCF3C@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:D >>         Doesn't matter.  You're comparing/contrasting VMS to MPE.4 >>         Smells like your old death FUDding to me. >  > I > Do you have any hard evidence that HP will not do to VMS what it did to  > MPE ?   F There you go, proof by lack of evidence.  I seem to remember something& about that from my logic classes.  :-)   >  > Has HP begun to market VMS ?  F So the status quo continues.  After all, they are not marketing it any less either.   > J > Does HP intend to change its policy to restrict VMS to only the high end: > and within the high end, to within a few market niches ?  E As far as I kow, that is the market they envision for it so why would  they?    > I > How do you think HP strategists and bean counters think when they learn / > that the installed base has shrunk big time ?   I That it is still business as usual and the cash cow is still giving milk.    > < > Despite corporate downsizing, has HP grown VMS engineeringA > budgets/staffing so that they can increase development of VMS ?   I They are not increasing development, so why would they increase staffing? J Development continues as it has been with the staff it already had. What's your point?    > E > Do you really have trust in a company whose top managers state that F > there isn't much growth potential for VMS, when and tell Wall Street3 > Casono analists that they focus on growth areas ?   F I realize english is not your mother tongue, but I couldn't make heads or tails out of this one.   F That's enough.  No reason to continue as the rambling just gets worse.D May not have liked what Marcello said, but it doesn't do any good to7 try reading a lot more into than what he actually said.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:38:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) , Message-ID: <440114AD.2EF75FC9@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:H > That's enough.  No reason to continue as the rambling just gets worse.F > May not have liked what Marcello said, but it doesn't do any good to9 > try reading a lot more into than what he actually said.   G Looking at individual statements, you can explain each and every one of 4 them, even Stallard's original statements about VMS.  F You need to take a "big picture" look.  marcello's statement, combinedG with its previous statement that he's the one who came up with the idea E to restrict IA64's market to only high end sends quite an interesting + view of what marcello really thinks of VMS.   F The message I see is that he's given up on VMS and IA64.  Giving up onG IA64 is understandable. But giving up on both VMS and IA64 is dangerous E because it greatly diminishes the potential for VMS to be ported to a F better platform at first to complement IA64's limited market potential9 and then to fully replace IA64 when the later is retired.     H And consider that Marcello used to be considered the saviour of VMS, theB one who allegedly convinced Curly not to can VMS in 2000 and got aG modest marketing budget that lead to the VMS reneaissance (albeit short E lived and it is obvious why, since Curly was planning to kill Alpha a - few months after the marketing of VMS ended).   E When he started to rise within HP, it was hoped that this VMS saviour G would push for VMS to be given a fair chance to grow and get marketing. G But now, instead of that, we get messages that he is proud to have been C the one to restrict IA64's market and now, one who doesn't see much  growth potential for VMS.   F Now, this is at a time when HP is bragging about exhorbitant growth in IA64 sales.   B If the guy who used to be seen as a champion for VMS is now a mereC "yeah' we'll continue to sell it to existing customers but we don't G expect any growth" guy, who within HP is going to be fighting for VMS ?   D If the guy who used to be seen as the champion/saviour of VMS is nowF only mild towards it, does this mean that the Stallards/Winklers of HPG will now succeed to further marginalising VMS into some obscure product  that is destined to fail ?  M (ok, I know that Winkler is thankfully gone, but I am sure there are others).   . Does anyone know what Robison thinks of VMS ?   C In the end, unless customers reach Hurd directly, Hurd will rely on G people like Stallard, Marcello, Robison for advise. And if thsoe people D don't give Hurd good advise for VMS, we may awaken one day with some very bad news.  B And there isn't a Terry Shannon to tell us the bad news a few days before they become public.  B And remember that once a corporation makes a decision and makes it5 public, it is nearly impossible to have it reversed.  ) (Sun with 8086 is one notable exception).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:32:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Spinning down DSSI disks when not in use ? , Message-ID: <4401052E.147F1F2D@teksavvy.com>  E In order to save on power and heat generation, is it possible to spin & down some DSSI disks when not in use ?  E Ideally, some inactivity timer would automatically spin down the disk @ and re-spin it when needed (like on laptops), but I'd settle for> spinning them down and up manually (with dismounts if needed).  F Some of the space on my logical drive (now made up of 4*2gb drives) isF fairly static, so I could brteak up the bound volume set and have someG physical volumes left "offline" for that static data (backups, software . kits etc), and keep fewer disks always active.  D And once I get my SCSI drives, those DSSI drives could act as backupE disks to be used sporadically (pointless to leave thenm powered on at  all times).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:17:30 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: SYS and EXE file specs?+ Message-ID: <4400E58A.3E13F6F3@comcast.net>    Timothy Stark wrote: >  > Hello folks, > N > Does anyone know about SYS and EXE file specs for programming (compilers andD > loader, etc)?  Which OpenVMS manuals that provides information for
 > programmig?  > L > About SYS files, I reviewed a few dumps of SYS files on OpenVMS system.  IL > noticed that each SYS files hold first 512 bytes for header section beforeH > starting binary image (rest of files).  Each SYS files are almost sameD > execpt a few bytes difference in both VAX and Alpha binary format. > N > About EXE files, Alpha and VAX has very different header formats (1024-bytes= > header) execpt system files like VMB.EXE (no headers), etc.  > 	 > Thanks!  > Tim   G The on-line documentation can be found at http://www.hp.com/openvms/doc   C Select the "OpenVMS Operating system" link in the left-hand column.   H See also the "Internals and Data Structures" books which can be found byH searching Amazon.com, or possibly even eBay. That should get you as muchD as is publicly available. Certain information is heldback to protect HP's intellectual property.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2006 19:38:00 -0500. From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)$ Subject: Re: SYS and EXE file specs?, Message-ID: <uiBocsbvLaCT@cuebid.zko.hp.com>    Timothy Stark wrote:   N > Does anyone know about SYS and EXE file specs for programming (compilers andD > loader, etc)?  Which OpenVMS manuals that provides information for
 > programmig?   N > About EXE files, Alpha and VAX has very different header formats (1024-bytes= > header) execpt system files like VMB.EXE (no headers), etc.   M Here's a URL for the OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 Linker manual.  I believe the OpenVMS K Alpha Linker manual has not been updated since V7.3, as this is the version 2 that's available from the OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 page.  7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/4548/4548PRO.HTML   J See appendices A and B for a description of the VAX and Alpha object file 
 record types.   I While this describes the format of an object file, not an image file, you H will find that it's helpful to understand the object file formats first.   --    L Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:37:50 -0500 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: VAX 7000 seriesI Message-ID: <8660a3a10602251237m7d8f9e74v19c6538dde99bc88@mail.gmail.com>   = On 2/25/06, Timothy Stark <fsword7_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  > Hello folks, > L > I was searching for some technical manuals and was able find them (VAX 66= 00L > and VAX 7000/10000) on vt100.net web site (manx page).  I noticed that la= ter L > models like VAX 6600 and VAX 7000) now supports full 32-bit addressing fo= r F > larger memory model (up to 3.5GB) and start 0xE0000000 as I/O space. > K > Also, I was able find other VAX 7000 technical manuals execept I/O system G > technical manual.  Does anyone have a copy of EK-7010A-TM (I/O system K > technical manual) for online available? Also, I was able find XMI adaptor G > manual that provides register access for DEMNA, CIXCD, etc. for other L > operating systems like NetBSD, etc. I reviewed that manual and need to fi= ndI > two manuals EK-DEMNA-TM, EK-CIXCD-TM and VAXBI system reference manual. " > Does anyone have a copy of them? > L > Is it possible to emulate VAX 7000 that supports different two processors=  -L > NVAX+ and Alpha 21064?  Because I recently noticed that Charon-VAX provid= es > VAX 6000 series emulation. > 	 > Thanks!  > Tim  >  >  >   A There may have been a kit that converted the VAX 7000 to an Alpha 8 machine: but when it's an Alpha, it's called a DEC 7000.  - I had one of each at the last place I worked.    WWWebb     --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:09:31 -0500 2 From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net> Subject: Re: VAX 7000 series: Message-ID: <NZidnbou3sULfp3ZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Timothy Stark wrote:  
 >Hello folks,  > M >I was searching for some technical manuals and was able find them (VAX 6600  N >and VAX 7000/10000) on vt100.net web site (manx page).  I noticed that later L >models like VAX 6600 and VAX 7000) now supports full 32-bit addressing for E >larger memory model (up to 3.5GB) and start 0xE0000000 as I/O space.  > K >Also, I was able find other VAX 7000 technical manuals execept I/O system  G >technical manual.  Does anyone have a copy of EK-7010A-TM (I/O system  K >technical manual) for online available? Also, I was able find XMI adaptor  G >manual that provides register access for DEMNA, CIXCD, etc. for other  M >operating systems like NetBSD, etc. I reviewed that manual and need to find  I >two manuals EK-DEMNA-TM, EK-CIXCD-TM and VAXBI system reference manual.  ! >Does anyone have a copy of them?  > M >Is it possible to emulate VAX 7000 that supports different two processors -  M >NVAX+ and Alpha 21064?  Because I recently noticed that Charon-VAX provides   >VAX 6000 series emulation.  >  >Thanks! >Tim   >  >  >    > > Dollars to donuts you won't find a BI SRM, since the BI was a  proprietary bus.  K One of KO's worst decisions, IMHO, was declaring the BI to be closed, since E that prevented third-party designers from making lots of I/O widgets  	 available H on VAXen.  In an earlier era, one of the key reasons for the success of  PDP-11s L was the de facto openness of the UNIBUS and the Q-BUS -- and the tons of I/O? widgets, both weird and wonderful, from non-DEC sources.  Sigh.    --   Cheers, Bob    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:18:03 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>  Subject: Re: VAX 7000 series: Message-ID: <fl7Mf.42236$g47.2766@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Bob Willard wrote:   > Timothy Stark wrote: >  >> Hello folks,  >>J >> I was searching for some technical manuals and was able find them (VAX J >> 6600 and VAX 7000/10000) on vt100.net web site (manx page).  I noticed J >> that later models like VAX 6600 and VAX 7000) now supports full 32-bit I >> addressing for larger memory model (up to 3.5GB) and start 0xE0000000   >> as I/O space. >>F >> Also, I was able find other VAX 7000 technical manuals execept I/O I >> system technical manual.  Does anyone have a copy of EK-7010A-TM (I/O  H >> system technical manual) for online available? Also, I was able find F >> XMI adaptor manual that provides register access for DEMNA, CIXCD, F >> etc. for other operating systems like NetBSD, etc. I reviewed that J >> manual and need to find two manuals EK-DEMNA-TM, EK-CIXCD-TM and VAXBI < >> system reference manual. Does anyone have a copy of them? >>B >> Is it possible to emulate VAX 7000 that supports different two H >> processors - NVAX+ and Alpha 21064?  Because I recently noticed that 1 >> Charon-VAX provides VAX 6000 series emulation.  >>
 >> Thanks! >> Tim >>  H I remember working at a site that bought an old 8650 when 8500s were in C vogue because they could buy third party products for the mass bus.  >>   >>@ > Dollars to donuts you won't find a BI SRM, since the BI was a  > proprietary bus. > M > One of KO's worst decisions, IMHO, was declaring the BI to be closed, since G > that prevented third-party designers from making lots of I/O widgets   > available J > on VAXen.  In an earlier era, one of the key reasons for the success of 	 > PDP-11s K > was the de facto openness of the UNIBUS and the Q-BUS -- and the tons of   > I/O A > widgets, both weird and wonderful, from non-DEC sources.  Sigh.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:48:26 -0500 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 3 Subject: Re: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD? I Message-ID: <8660a3a10602251248l48af8134mdf87f76af9826332@mail.gmail.com>   B On 24 Feb 2006 21:15:48 -0800, as400 <vin42and99@yahoo.com> wrote:G > I really thought that the UNIX-like OS called OpenBSD www.openbsd.org E > was the most secure unix-like operating system in the world....And,   > maybe even the MacOS-X also... > G > Can someone here please provide me on what makes OpenVMS so secure? I I > know that OpenBSD by dfault comes very secure by default out of the box F > with alot of system services being disabled....But I dont know aboutH > what makes OpenVMS unhackable....Please explain the difference between) > OpenVMS, OpenBSD, or even the MACOSX???  > : > I though the MOST secure OS would be like this in order: > 
 > 1. Mac-OS-X  >  > 2. OpenBSD > C > OpenVMS???? Well.....I dont know about this...Care to explain how  > secure it is?  >  >   D I don't think anyone's ever posted a better explanation than the oneF you'll find at the link listed below- (Hi, Keith-- hope you are well.)  L http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/69223e108e9909ad?dmode=3Dsou= rce   B Note that this was written by someone who is employed by a company? whose products compete against VMS, which makes it particularly  interesting.   Regards,   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:03:25 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD? + Message-ID: <4400E23D.8CD7CCA8@comcast.net>    as400 wrote: > G > I really thought that the UNIX-like OS called OpenBSD www.openbsd.org E > was the most secure unix-like operating system in the world....And,   > maybe even the MacOS-X also... > G > Can someone here please provide me on what makes OpenVMS so secure? I I > know that OpenBSD by dfault comes very secure by default out of the box F > with alot of system services being disabled....But I dont know aboutH > what makes OpenVMS unhackable....Please explain the difference between) > OpenVMS, OpenBSD, or even the MACOSX???  > : > I though the MOST secure OS would be like this in order: > 
 > 1. Mac-OS-X  >  > 2. OpenBSD > C > OpenVMS???? Well.....I dont know about this...Care to explain how  > secure it is?   " Well, I'd list them in this order:  
 1. OpenVMS  
 2. OpenBSD   3. Mac OS/X   @ ...but that's just me. Micro$lop is not even an "also ran", IMO.  H Take a look at the OpenVMS Guide to System Security. You can find it viaG this link: http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc , select "OpenVMS Operating B System" in the left-hand column, and peruse the documentation. TheH "Guide to System Security" will reference elements that are explained inA the System Management doc.'s. So, you'll need to do a fair bit of  reading to get all the pieces.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:22:16 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 3 Subject: RE: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB7D3FB8@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----. > From: as400 [mailto:vin42and99@yahoo.com]=20" > Sent: February 25, 2006 12:16 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 > Subject: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD?  >=20G > I really thought that the UNIX-like OS called OpenBSD www.openbsd.org E > was the most secure unix-like operating system in the world....And,   > maybe even the MacOS-X also... >=20G > Can someone here please provide me on what makes OpenVMS so secure? I A > know that OpenBSD by dfault comes very secure by default out=20  > of the boxF > with alot of system services being disabled....But I dont know aboutH > what makes OpenVMS unhackable....Please explain the difference between) > OpenVMS, OpenBSD, or even the MACOSX???  >=20 [snip..]  ( Check out recent security whitepaper at:; http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-2896ENW.pdf=20   ) Other OpenVMS whitepapers are located at: 8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/whitepapers/index.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2006 21:24:56 -0800$ From: "as400" <vin42and99@yahoo.com>3 Subject: Re: Whats MORE Secure? OpenVMS or OpenBSD? B Message-ID: <1140931496.402770.53130@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  F What Governent agencies use this highly secure OS?? CIA? NSA? Homeland7 Security? Or, is it just used for Scientific Analysis??    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Feb 2006 06:39:52 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>9 Subject: Re: Windows XP inner workings revealed publicly. ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-6yUO0sr4ZdD6@dave2_os2.home.ours>   1 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:23:53 UTC, "William Webb"  ! <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote:   7 > On 2/23/06, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote: I > > The technical diagram of Windows XP inner workings revealed publicly.  > > # > > http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/  > >  > >  >  > That's not the real one. > " > This is:  http://acarol.woz.org/ >  > WWWebb >    LOL and then some    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.113 ************************