1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 01 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 601       Contents: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail) # Re: HP eyes top VMS people for cuts  Login Break-in LGI parameters ! Re: Login Break-in LGI parameters ! Re: Login Break-in LGI parameters  Mozilla: colour of cursor/caret # Re: Mozilla: colour of cursor/caret # Re: Mozilla: colour of cursor/caret 
 PIPE question  Re: PIPE question  Re: Purveyor Auth DLL - DBL? Re: RMS  Re: RMS  Re: RMS  Re: Spit Brook location  Re: Spit Brook location  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions ! % Re: Updated VMS Information (big one)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:04:09 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ( Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)< Message-ID: <45489ac8$0$14841$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  2 news:3bda9$4547badd$cef8887a$15257@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Neil Rieck wrote: F >> I was also trying to point out that blogs are just another channel. > L > They are far more than another channel. They are a marketing gimmick that K > attracty the attention of Wall Street Casino analysts because of rumours  E > that blogs may become so important that they will supplant network  L > television for advertising revenus.  And blog system operators have every L > incentive to continue this rumour because they know that they may hit the J > jackpot when someone like Google/Yahoo decides to buy them for many big 9 > buckaroos. (has the .com era been forgotten already ?).  >   L While there are scammers in every human endeavour, blogs in general are not , a gimmick. Just another communications tool.  M I saw a stat a while back (I wished I could cite the source) stating that TV  K viewership has dropped by about 5% each and every year since 1995 when the  H web really started to take off. Things are now so bad that market share J stats for networks (and programs) have changed from "percentage of people L who own a TV" to "percentage of people who had a TV on during the period in G question". Advertising people aren't stupid (at least when it comes to  = buying time) and have already pulled tons of money out of TV.   M I don't know which came first: "reality TV drove away viewers which meant no  I more network money for programming budgets" or "poor network programming  K drove away viewers which then resulted in loss of viewers". But the result  K is that free TV is crap and you've now got to pay for decent content (HBO,  M TMN, pay-per-view, etc.) The same thing is happening now in radio where many  6 people are switching to satellite radio subscriptions.       ###   L In the early 1990s most people got their information from TV, radio, books, K newspapers, and magazines. Since the masses were tuned into a small number  I of information channels it was easy for advertisers to hit those sources.   K Today, there are many more communications channels and it is difficult for  M big advertising to hit them like before. Better yet, when advertising begins  J to dominate web/blog pages offended viewers are just one mouse click away M from going to the competition. It is for this reason that web site operators  ) won't usually allow too much advertising.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 17:32:39 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com , Subject: Re: HP eyes top VMS people for cuts, Message-ID: <eialnn02a14@enews3.newsguy.com>  ) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: I > For files that are updated in place, various forms of 'continuous data  F > protection' (CDP) can provide similar (actually, far finer-grained) J > rollback capability (IBM now sells a personal version for Windows for a G > very reasonable price).  But that may not work well for applications  J > (e.g., some editors) that build a new temporary copy of a file and then I > swap it with the original via Rename (hmmm - I *guess* that would work  G > OK with VMS versioning, as long as the Rename didn't use an explicit   > version number).  I > Snapshot techniques may be far too coarse to be useful (unless someone  E > has implemented something in the file system usable at fine grain).   K I know that the snapshot backups used on the NetApp filers that we have are J pretty handy, and I've considered looking into what it would take to setupI something such as this on Linux.  However, snapshot backups are typically H only good for a few days, and I normally either need 2-3 edits ago, or 6H months ago.  For this VMS versioning rocks!  It helps that I don't PURGEL most files.  I do have it setup to automatically purge all except the last 5B versions of some logs, though I've been known to regret even that.    E > An academic effort a few years ago called the Elephant File System  E > sounded promising, but I don't know if any product ever came of it.   ; Sounds familiar, I might have looked at it a few years ago.   H > I'll be interested myself in seeing what other responses you may get. H > How does that outfit that specializes in migrating people from VMS to I > other platforms (ISTR that they have some kind of RMS emulator) handle  
 > this issue?   L I've had it suggested that I take a look at FUSE on Linux by a coworker, I'dK already done some research on this and it looks like in the past there have H been a couple different projects to do this.  "Wayback" and "CopyFS" areK FUSE options, and it looks like "fsfipi & vaves" might be as well.  FUSE is  "Filesystem in Userspace".    J Interesting...  It appears that "CopyFS" is still alive and well, it looksI like the page was updated a few days ago saying v1.1 should be out by the K end of the year.  "Wayback hasn't seen activity since June of 2004 from the  looks of things.   http://n0x.org/copyfs/ http://wayback.sourceforge.net/   F Somehow I think more of RCS when looking into CopyFS.  I don't see anyG examples of information on Wayback, but I did find mention of VersionFS I which appears to predate it, and is apprently functionally the same.  The J examples I found for VersionFS make it appear to be at least close to whatI VMS users would want.  As Wayback is newer code, runs on top of FUSE, and H supports both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, it looks like it might be the best to look at.  L There is also ext3cow, which appears to be an interesting take on the issue,I but using a @{ctime stamp} instead of ;{version number} seems more than a J little unwieldly.  Actaully it looks like it is a snapshot filesystem thatG accesses the previous versions in that manner.  http://www.ext3cow.com/    		Zane   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:37:20 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com& Subject: Login Break-in LGI parametersQ Message-ID: <OF80E79240.FB9FD36D-ON85257219.0054EE54-85257219.0055D0F3@metso.com>   > Can someone please expain in simple English what happens here.    This is how I read the settings:  ?  1) Users get LGI_BRK_LIM=5 login failures before being blocked =  as an INTRUDER (The failure count is logged in the INTRUSION -  entry even though lockout has yet to occur).   >  2) Once the break-in limit is reached the source is prevented;  from login even with the correct Username and Password for   LGI_HID_TIM=30 minutes.  ;  3) Monitoring of login failure continues for LGI_BRK_TMO=2 ?  minutes after a failure.  For each subsequent failure, another @  LGI_BRK_TMO=2 minutes is added to the monitoring period.  After:  this period has passed the INTRUSION record is discarded.    @ A careful reading if this yields a contradiction.  If the source: login fails 5 times (1) the source is blocked.  MonitoringA of that source is for 2 minutes, then the source is given a clean > slate (3).  The souce is prevented even from correct login for< 30 minutes (2).  So which is it, 2 (or 4 or 6) minutes or 30, minutes or is it 2 (or 4 or 6) + 30 minutes?   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 18:13:46 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: Login Break-in LGI parameters, Message-ID: <4548e3da$1@news.langstoeger.at>  p In article <OF80E79240.FB9FD36D-ON85257219.0054EE54-85257219.0055D0F3@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:? >Can someone please expain in simple English what happens here.   E Use the default values of the mentioned SYSGEN parameters and you see  your arguments vanish...  M Someone did introduce some illogic into your parameters. Change them back ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:10:00 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com* Subject: Re: Login Break-in LGI parametersQ Message-ID: <OFA0D29922.91A3D242-ON85257219.006313B9-85257219.0063CB31@metso.com>   D peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote on 11/01/2006 12:13:46 PM:  ? > In article <OF80E79240.FB9FD36D-ON85257219.0054EE54-85257219. 5 > 0055D0F3@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: A > >Can someone please expain in simple English what happens here.  > G > Use the default values of the mentioned SYSGEN parameters and you see  > your arguments vanish... > K > Someone did introduce some illogic into your parameters. Change them back  ;-)   K I don't see that at all.  Break timeout = hidetimeout = 5 mins for default. I So why have hidetimeout?  Hit the limit, wait 5, fail again, wait 5 more. I The hidetimeout is now expired, and unless you tack it onto the end after  all H failure timeouts are done, in which case it's additive, it does nothing.  D If I am misconstruing, please show how the defaults would work for 7	 failures.   H P.S.  The SOX boys want the time to regain valid login to be 30 minutes. How would you do that?   >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:34:51 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Mozilla: colour of cursor/caret8 Message-ID: <f1774$45486a65$cef8887a$22678@TEKSAVVY.COM>  
 SWB 1.7.13J Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10L_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.7.13)  Gecko/20060506  D When typing in a window (such as composing an email/nntp message in J non-HTML mode, the cursor/caret is barely visible, it is very light shade # of grey against a white background.   0 Is this normal ? Is there a way to change this ?  I I scrolled through some documentation I found on the mozilla web site on  E the prefs.js file, and found nothing. (thought I had found the magic  G incantation to turn off the silly graphical representation of the > in  5 quoted messages, but alas, that didn't seem to work).   L So far, MOSAIC seems to be far better off from the get go, despite the need G to build the application with one simple procedure.  No funky unusable  K cursors etc. I have spent more time trying to configure/debug this Mozilla  ! thing than I did building Mosaic.   J (and still can't load my netscape bookmarks from the mac onto the Mozilla K on alpha. (no error message when I import the file, but it does absolutely  	 nothing).   J The main advantage of running a NNTP/HTTP client on VMS is the ability to ! cut/paste from/to real VMS stuff.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:14:49 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> , Subject: Re: Mozilla: colour of cursor/caretJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-0978BE.13144901112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  8 In article <f1774$45486a65$cef8887a$22678@TEKSAVVY.COM>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > SWB 1.7.13L > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10L_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.7.13)  > Gecko/20060506 > F > When typing in a window (such as composing an email/nntp message in L > non-HTML mode, the cursor/caret is barely visible, it is very light shade % > of grey against a white background.  > 2 > Is this normal ? Is there a way to change this ? > K > I scrolled through some documentation I found on the mozilla web site on  G > the prefs.js file, and found nothing. (thought I had found the magic  I > incantation to turn off the silly graphical representation of the > in  7 > quoted messages, but alas, that didn't seem to work).  > N > So far, MOSAIC seems to be far better off from the get go, despite the need I > to build the application with one simple procedure.  No funky unusable  M > cursors etc. I have spent more time trying to configure/debug this Mozilla  # > thing than I did building Mosaic.  > L > (and still can't load my netscape bookmarks from the mac onto the Mozilla M > on alpha. (no error message when I import the file, but it does absolutely   > nothing).   H This may be related, but I stopped using Firefox much on my Mac because " it was "swallowing" new bookmarks.   L > The main advantage of running a NNTP/HTTP client on VMS is the ability to # > cut/paste from/to real VMS stuff.   H I wouldn't say that is the main advantage, as you can run those clients C on a different platform and "cut/paste" to and from a VMS terminal   session.  I Instead I'd say the main advantage is being to able to run those clients  % from a non-privileged account on VMS.   F PS Why do people use the phrase "cut and paste" when what they really  mean is "copy and paste"?    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:07:51 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> , Subject: Re: Mozilla: colour of cursor/caret+ Message-ID: <4qs6baFokbuvU1@individual.net>   & On 2006-11-01 09:34, "JF Mezei" wrote:   > SWB 1.7.13L > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10L_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.7.13)  > Gecko/20060506  A Why do you repeat this? It's in the "User-Agent:" header already.    > [...]  > K > I scrolled through some documentation I found on the mozilla web site on  G > the prefs.js file, and found nothing. (thought I had found the magic  I > incantation to turn off the silly graphical representation of the > in  7 > quoted messages, but alas, that didn't seem to work).   E Don't put your own "preferences" into Mozilla's "prefs.js", put it in  "user.js" instead ...   , | user_pref("mail.quoted_graphical", false);> | // do/don't use HTML-style quoting for displaying plain text( | user_pref("mail.quoteasblock", false);; | // do/don't use HTML-style quoting for quoting plain text $ | user_pref("mail.quoted_style", 0);5 | // standard text rendition, neither bold nor italic   G (That is what works for me. "//" denotes a comment which may be written  just after the ";".)   > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:05:58 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: PIPE questionQ Message-ID: <OF7CE735A6.F6BEB5D2-ON85257219.005BF76E-85257219.005DEE5F@metso.com>   = I want to create a date string as input to a foreign command.    $ DATEPROG == "$DATE_PROD.EXE    Online:   
 $ DATEPROG DATEPROG> 1-OCT-2006 (RUNS)
 DATEPROG>EXIT  $    Proc:    $...
 $ DATEPROG $ DECK
 1-OCT-2006 EXIT $ EOD  $...  : but I want to use a lexical to compute a date so I thought6 if I used PIPE, the I could eliminate the intermediate command procedure file.   , Like this, but I know this won't work as is:   $...$ D=F$CVTIME("-30-","ABSOLUTE","DATE") $PIPE (DATEPROD  $DECK  'D'  EXIT $EOD ) $...  < but I cannot figure where to put the "|", ";" or "(" and ")"> to make it work.  It always leaves me prompted with DATEPROG>.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:25:25 -05003 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca>  Subject: Re: PIPE question6 Message-ID: <074801c6fde3$1a65f1d0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>   >.... > Like this, but I know this won't work as is: >  > $...& > D=F$CVTIME("-30-","ABSOLUTE","DATE") > $PIPE (DATEPROD  > $DECK  > 'D'  > EXIT > $EOD ) > $... >...  L I don't think you can do that with a simple PIPE, but if you are on a newer F release of AXP or IA64 then you can replace the temporary file with a  mailbox like this;  " $ CREATE/MAILBOX DATEPRODINPUT_MBX1 $ OPEN/WRITE DATEPRODINPUT_FILE DATEPRODINPUT_MBX ( $ WRITE/NOWAIT DATEPRODINPUT_FILE "''D'"' $ WRITE/NOWAIT DATEPRODINPUT_FILE "EXIT % $ PIPE 'DATEPROD < DATEPRODINPUT_FILE  $ CLOSE DATEPRODINPUT_FILE" $ DELETE/MAILBOX DATEPRODINPUT_MBX   Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca 9 CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail     ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 06:21:05 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com % Subject: Re: Purveyor Auth DLL - DBL? C Message-ID: <1162390865.444924.303700@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Hal Kuff wrote: K > Anyone have some source code that accesses the Purveyor Auth DLL/API from  > DBL or Basic?   < sorry Hal ... do not have any but the sample "c" module that; comes with it, which is what we use ... we make other calls 7 to purveyor thru DBL so someone who knows "c" should be @ able to translate the basics to you ... if other calls work then that one should ...    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 06:41:19 -0800   From: "Mike" <mlpoole@gmail.com> Subject: Re: RMSB Message-ID: <1162392079.142928.48100@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Thank you guys very much.   G >From the VMS/Alpha side of things our little DS10 has been amazing.  I D have worked here for a little over a year and hadn't worked with VMSA since college.  I don't know that I have ever seen a crash on our  AS1200 (retired) or our DS10.     C The only problems we ever have is with our VMS vendor software that F always seems to do wierd things to the system (through no fault of the operating system).  D Unfortunately all our financial data is in the software (in RMS) andG when the management types want reports they have to wait until the next A day and more often than not one of our programmers has to write a F custom Crystal or SQL report to pull the data out of one HUGE table in- SQL Server that Easysoft dumps to each night.   G I would love to be a company hero and figure out a way to read the data G out of RMS and put it directly into a realtime report but it looks like = the only way to go is a commercial (read expensive) solution.   G As an aside--  We generally have over 100 users connected to our server @ at any given time both in the US and Canada.  A lot of them haveE multiple sessions open (with our crappy Windows client).  Some of the ' old school types use Reflection/telnet.   G I can't think of a single windows server that I have seen that can have A 100 folks on it every day all day for months and months without a B reboot or crash.  ESPECIALLY one that runs at 466Mhz and is 6 or 7
 years old!    
 Sue wrote: > Dear Mike, > F > You might also want to check out the OpenVMS Technical Journal there. > are some articles on RMS written by experts. > 6 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html > D > as a hint you can do a search if you scroll down on the first page, > which will search all the journals so far. >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue  > 
 > Mike wrote: C > > Does anyone know a good resource where I can read up on the RMS 
 > > database?  > > 2 > > Is it a commercial product or built in to VMS? > > K > > My company runs some really old software that is in RMS and I wanted to A > > learn if there are some tools to view or parse the data, etc.  > > H > > Currently we run a nightly job through Easysoft ODBC to pull the RMSF > > stuff over into SQL Server but I would love to use some tools likeI > > Attunity to view an manipulate the data real time from either Windows  > > or VMS.  > >  > > Forgive my ingorance.. :)  > > 
 > > Thanks > >  > > Mike   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:44:15 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: RMS9 Message-ID: <tr-dnUknOPaUXNXYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Mike wrote:  > Thank you guys very much.  > H >>From the VMS/Alpha side of things our little DS10 has been amazing.  IF > have worked here for a little over a year and hadn't worked with VMSC > since college.  I don't know that I have ever seen a crash on our  > AS1200 (retired) or our DS10.  >  > E > The only problems we ever have is with our VMS vendor software that H > always seems to do wierd things to the system (through no fault of the > operating system). > F > Unfortunately all our financial data is in the software (in RMS) andI > when the management types want reports they have to wait until the next C > day and more often than not one of our programmers has to write a H > custom Crystal or SQL report to pull the data out of one HUGE table in/ > SQL Server that Easysoft dumps to each night.   G It would be better if each RMS data file was moved to a separate table.   I > I would love to be a company hero and figure out a way to read the data I > out of RMS and put it directly into a realtime report but it looks like ? > the only way to go is a commercial (read expensive) solution.   & Well Mike, you gets what you pays for.  D What you need is Xentis, a report generation tool produced by Randy E Park.  Last I heard, it is being marketed by Graymatter software.  I  I don't know current cost, but you might find it 'not so expensive'.  It's   not expensive to get a quote.   I Not your windoz weenie point and click type of product.  You'll actually  G have to think a bit, and type a bit, real work.  But you'll be able to  E set things up so you can produce a report in a short time, dependent   upon amount of data involved.   I > As an aside--  We generally have over 100 users connected to our server B > at any given time both in the US and Canada.  A lot of them haveG > multiple sessions open (with our crappy Windows client).  Some of the ) > old school types use Reflection/telnet.  > I > I can't think of a single windows server that I have seen that can have C > 100 folks on it every day all day for months and months without a D > reboot or crash.  ESPECIALLY one that runs at 466Mhz and is 6 or 7 > years old!  I Such products are called 'industrial strength' and 'professional grade'.     VMS is such a product.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:50:30 GMT + From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=  Subject: Re: RMS2 Message-ID: <an32h.21393$E02.8775@newsb.telia.net>   Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote :   
 > Mike wrote:  >  > I > Finaly, you can always right a small VMS hosted program to extract just G > the rigth data from the RMS files, then create fresh ODBC definitions G > fro the smaller files and run reports or extract against those. Or...   9 One other solution (that I used many years ago) is/was to 3 use the "Transparent Gateway to RMS" option to Rdb.   6 All RMS files lookes like they was normal tables in an5 Rdb database and all standard access tools (inclusive : interactive SQL from DCL) worked just as you where working; with an Rdb database. No extract/load/transfer of any data.   : At a current customer site they are using the "Transparent9 Gateway to Oracle" to access aprox 10 tables in an Oracle 9 database on a IBM/AIX system. All done using the standard < Rdb tools from COBAL apps. Both as read-only and read-write.B Currently running using the latest VMS and Rdb versions on a DS20.  8 I guess that the main problem in a case like this, is to1 actualy *understand* the data in the RMS files...   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:25:44 -0800 4 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>  Subject: Re: Spit Brook location% Message-ID: <1162405542.711622@smirk>    Steve Lionel wrote:  > Alan Frisbie wrote:    >> It is *supposed* to say:  >> >> Customers Win >> WhenWeDeliver  . > I have uploaded a picture of the bar code to9 > http://static.flickr.com/115/285862825_50175029ca_o.jpg   7 Yup, they have not fixed it yet!   (And it looks like a  nice Fall day in Nashua.)   F > The first character on the bottom row is indeed incorrect at hex 17.G > Furthermore, the character that should be D in Deliver I decode as F.  > The colors of that one are: H > black, white, white, white, black, black, white.  Black is 1, white isD > 0, and it's 7-bit ASCII, so that is 01000110, hex 46 or 'F'.  Am I > misreading this?  0 No, you read the incorrect code correctly.   :-)  > Thanks for verifying that nobody has bothered to fix this bug.? If it were not for the fact that the 1 and 0 bits are different = shapes, it would be trivial to repaint them.   As it is, they 8 need to unbolt the two bars from the wall and swap them.  1 I will check it again in seven months and report.   ! > I did not verify the upper row.    It appears to be OK.  M Perhaps this should be added to the trivia question about the bar code.   :-)    Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 10:49:13 -0800 - From: "Steve Lionel" <steve.lionel@intel.com>   Subject: Re: Spit Brook locationB Message-ID: <1162406953.534401.204270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Alan Frisbie wrote:   @ > Thanks for verifying that nobody has bothered to fix this bug.A > If it were not for the fact that the 1 and 0 bits are different ? > shapes, it would be trivial to repaint them.   As it is, they : > need to unbolt the two bars from the wall and swap them.  E Ah, yes.  Swapping one bar between the two wrong characters would fix D it.  The first bar (white) in the erstwhile W should be swapped with) the sixth bar (black) in the erstwhile D.   F I suspect this happened a few (10?) years ago when the bars were taken; down for some construction work and put back (incorrectly.)   F And yes, it is a fine fall day here in Nashua, as was yesterday - bothA a bit unseasonably warm (mid-60s.)  The warmth will go away as of 	 tomorrow.   D By the way, there used to be a time capsule buried in the walkway inD front of the wall, containing various artifacts from the DEC of 1982@ (or thereabouts).  I had contributed a copy of "CPU Wars" to it.@ Sadly, it was later discovered that the cannister was improperly8 sealed, water had filled it, and the contents destroyed.   Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:20:03 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !: Message-ID: <1vudnR1SrP6JMNXYnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>   Volker Halle wrote: 
 > Richard, > 9 > in OpenVMS, the quadword system time IS the local time:  >  > $ anal/sys > SDA> exa/time exe$gq_systime >  1-NOV-2006 08:16:58.18  > D > NTP exchanges time information in UTC, but knows how to convert toA > local time depending on the timezone in use on the local system  > (system-wide, not per user). > 	 > Volker.  >   F The version of ntpd in TCP/IP Services may do so!  If so, it deviates 0 from just about any other implementation of NTP!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:25:29 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !< Message-ID: <4548bbe8$0$14844$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  = "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  D news:paul.sture.nospam-4F21C3.17170431102006@mac.sture.homeip.net... >  [...snip...] > E > IIRC, the Linux installations I tried had the option of running the I > internal clock on either GMT or local time. Strictly speaking we should F > be calling it UTC, not GMT - there's a chunk of stuff in the VMS FAQ > about it.  > K Oops. You are 100% correct because there are Winter and Summer adjustments  E to GMT. UTC is what I meant to type (but didn't due to a brain fart).   L p.s. How are the off shore contractors in Asia going to figure out all this L stuff if all the clocks in all of the systems of the whole world aren't set  to the same time?  :-) :-) :-)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 15:37:14 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !+ Message-ID: <4qrt9aFkba98U1@individual.net>   < In article <4548bbe8$0$14844$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,, 	"Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > ? > "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  F > news:paul.sture.nospam-4F21C3.17170431102006@mac.sture.homeip.net... >> > [...snip...] >>F >> IIRC, the Linux installations I tried had the option of running theJ >> internal clock on either GMT or local time. Strictly speaking we shouldG >> be calling it UTC, not GMT - there's a chunk of stuff in the VMS FAQ  >> about it. >>M > Oops. You are 100% correct because there are Winter and Summer adjustments  
 > to GMT.   H I think you may be mistaken.  BST (British Standard Time) may change forI Winter and Summer but I believe GMT is always GMT.  (But I could be wrong @ as I have not spent much time in Europe in a couple of decades!)  G >         UTC is what I meant to type (but didn't due to a brain fart).   I UTC is yet another example of the French refusing to accept what the rest 6 of the world was already doing because it was English.   > N > p.s. How are the off shore contractors in Asia going to figure out all this N > stuff if all the clocks in all of the systems of the whole world aren't set   > to the same time?  :-) :-) :-)  E Probably the same way I can tell what time it is in England, Germany, B Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea and any of another dozen places I periodically have to deal with.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 08:32:10 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !B Message-ID: <1162398730.545283.162550@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:> > In article <4548bbe8$0$14844$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,. > 	"Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > > @ > > "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in messageH > > news:paul.sture.nospam-4F21C3.17170431102006@mac.sture.homeip.net... > >> > > [...snip...] > >>H > >> IIRC, the Linux installations I tried had the option of running theL > >> internal clock on either GMT or local time. Strictly speaking we shouldI > >> be calling it UTC, not GMT - there's a chunk of stuff in the VMS FAQ  > >> about it. > >>L > > Oops. You are 100% correct because there are Winter and Summer adjustme= nts  > > to GMT.   F NO NO NO! GMT is GMT. (Actually, GMT is a "casual term" for UTC -- seeC below.) It happens to be the same as Civil time in England from the C last Sunday in October to the last Sunday in March. The rest of the G time England is on BST (British Summer Time). GMT is never adjusted for 5 Daylight Saving Time. Leap seconds -- yes. DST -- no.   J > I think you may be mistaken.  BST (British Standard Time) may change forK > Winter and Summer but I believe GMT is always GMT.  (But I could be wrong B > as I have not spent much time in Europe in a couple of decades!)   Correct.  I > >         UTC is what I meant to type (but didn't due to a brain fart).  > K > UTC is yet another example of the French refusing to accept what the rest 8 > of the world was already doing because it was English.  C Well, yes and no. UTC is the acronym for neither the French nor the G English version of Coordinated Universal Time. The French version would . be TUC for "temps universel coordonn=E9". (SeeA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time> for the 	 details.)   L > > p.s. How are the off shore contractors in Asia going to figure out all = thisL > > stuff if all the clocks in all of the systems of the whole world aren't=  set" > > to the same time?  :-) :-) :-) > G > Probably the same way I can tell what time it is in England, Germany, D > Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea and any of another dozen places I! > periodically have to deal with.  >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  G BTW, GMT is not officially correct, but is casually used and understood % by most people to be the same as UTC.    AEF    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:03:19 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !, Message-ID: <eiak0n$fbd$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  p In article <1vudnR1SrP6JMNXYnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: >Volker Halle wrote: >> Richard,  >>  : >> in OpenVMS, the quadword system time IS the local time: >>  
 >> $ anal/sys  >> SDA> exa/time exe$gq_systime  >>  1-NOV-2006 08:16:58.18 >>  E >> NTP exchanges time information in UTC, but knows how to convert to B >> local time depending on the timezone in use on the local system >> (system-wide, not per user).  >>  
 >> Volker. >>   > G >The version of ntpd in TCP/IP Services may do so!  If so, it deviates  1 >from just about any other implementation of NTP!   G NTP doesn't specify how time is implemented on the end systems it just  M ensures that they pass the time between them in UTC. Since VMS doesn't store  M it's time internally in UTC (unless you explicitly set the local timezone to  M be UTC) all of the implementations of NTP on VMS have to convert between UTC  > and the local timezone when correcting the VMS system's clock.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:13:40 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-7AE8EF.19134001112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <M8zptKAKkpuw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, /  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:    > H > VMS had the defect of a single time zone for all user processes beforeK > there were any TCP/IP stacks available for it.  The problem besets dialup  > users as well. >   H This was evident to those with experience of running accounting systems F in batch mode on mainframes, many years before they had even heard of C TCP/IP. It simply took time get data into to the system, and often  D processing time was only available on the following weekend, so the E concept of a "run date" such as the last day in the month was common.   I > That said, I believe the best solution is to run the VMS system on GMT.   G Only if you need to communicate with those in different time zones, or   as a general rule?   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:27:04 -0800% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: Updated VMS Information (big one)I Message-ID: <3f119ada0611010727m3f911ad9x1825ac2b4a376d5a@mail.gmail.com>   G On 29 Oct 2006 19:55:18 -0800, Sue <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote: : > --------------------------------------------------------B > 5. 5 Announcing Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb, Release 3.2.0.0 Beta	 > Program  > H > Oracle is pleased to announce the opening of the beta test program forI > Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb, Release 3.2.0.0. The Oracle ODBC Driver for I > Rdb allows for applications to attach, query, and manipulate Oracle Rdb F > databases through the standard ODBC protocol. The Oracle ODBC DriverD > for Rdb uses the Oracle SQL/Services client and server software toB > submit requests to and receive responses from an Oracle Rdb dataC > source. DECnet or Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol I > (TCP/IP) communications protocol is used for communications between the < > Oracle SQL/Services client and Oracle SQL/Services server. > D > The new major feature available for test in Release 3.2.0.0 is theG > implementation of catalogs and schemas into a variety of the ODBC API F > functions. Please see the release notes for detailed information. ToI > join the Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb, Release 3.2.0.0 Beta please visit: [ > http://otnbeta.us.oracle.com/pls/portal30/PORTAL30.wwa_app_module.show?p_sessionid=262005   D This link seems to work to get you in the right neighborhood- expect to be redirected immediately... 1 http://otnbeta.us.oracle.com/Rdb/odbc32/index.htm    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.601 ************************