1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 602       Contents:+ Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down + Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down + Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down 1 Re: Free MicroVAX 3100-30 computers for hobbyists * Re: Java Applet pulled from VMS Web Server! Re: Login Break-in LGI parameters ! Re: Login Break-in LGI parameters 4 Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP)4 Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP)$ Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP( Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP( Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP( Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP( Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP4 Re: Rich Marcello retiring to perform volunteer work Re: RMS  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions ! , VMS support people looking for answers here?0 Re: VMS support people looking for answers here?0 Re: VMS support people looking for answers here?0 Re: VMS support people looking for answers here?0 Re: VMS support people looking for answers here?E Re: Where get this file ? CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT.EXE E Re: Where get this file ? CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT.EXE   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:10:21 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 4 Subject: Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down9 Message-ID: <ZP-dnXiSW9BbztTYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Rich Jordan wrote:D > Replaced the KZPBA, used a memory contact cleaner on the DIMMs andD > risers, reseated every removable cable and connector.  Still hangsE > after a little while.  Pulled the drive power and the KZPBA and its E > been running a self test since last night.  We'll see how its doing  > when I get home. > H > Next step; move the internal disk out.  After that, check and regrease? > the heat sink.  After that... I guess buy another one.  Drat.  >   F You've already bought a power supply.  Perhaps David will 'work' with D you on another system.  Maybe ship the one he took the power supply  from, and give you credit.  H You've mentioned a problem with the CPU cooling, the heat conductor, or A such.  A fried CPU wouldn't be a bad guess.  Ask David if he has  B replacement CPUs.  Should be cheaper to ship a CPU than an entire G system.  Just a thought.  (Do keep in mind the CPU is a guess, and may  	 be fine.)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 18:16:18 -0800  From: bob.birch@gmail.com 4 Subject: Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it downB Message-ID: <1162433778.699022.94610@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Rich Jordan wrote:F > > Replaced the KZPBA, used a memory contact cleaner on the DIMMs andF > > risers, reseated every removable cable and connector.  Still hangsG > > after a little while.  Pulled the drive power and the KZPBA and its G > > been running a self test since last night.  We'll see how its doing  > > when I get home.  1 Never swap it out, fix it even it it doesn't make . sense time or money wise. Anybody can swap out4 a bad box but it takes skill, determination to fix a tough problem.   Sounds weird but... 5 - check the earth ground from the wall socket to both 1   chasis. Make sure there is a common chasis gnd. 7 - use heat gun and chiller to make the problem go solid * - run the box on it's side and upside down - change console   > I > Between the time you power on and the time it hangs, do you monitor the D > temperature to see if it is changing ? Or is it perfectly stable ? > M > does the machine also hang if it stays iddle at the >>> prompt ? If you are J > connected via a serial console, can you escape <esc><esc><esc>RMC to theM > remote management console once the system has hanged ? You might be able to  > see something there. > L > Once VMS has hung, can you just reboot and it will be fine for a few hours= > ? Or do you need to power off o let the machine cool down ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:54:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down8 Message-ID: <3e220$45496c02$cef8887a$21925@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Dave Froble wrote:J > You've mentioned a problem with the CPU cooling, the heat conductor, or C > such.  A fried CPU wouldn't be a bad guess.  Ask David if he has   > replacement CPUs.     J CPUs on DS10L are soldered. So even with your aluminium baseball bat, you I can't remove it :-(  And soldering a new CPU in place would require very  @ good/precise tools, not your average household soldering iron...   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 14:42:27 -0800 " From: "Tad" <twinters@netzero.net>: Subject: Re: Free MicroVAX 3100-30 computers for hobbyistsA Message-ID: <1162420947.090295.8990@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   * I'm happy to say, these have been claimed.  
 Tad wrote:> > I have 2 MicroVAX 3100 model 30 systems I need to get rid of! > immediately.  See this posting: 7 > http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/sys/227684599.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:08:14 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>3 Subject: Re: Java Applet pulled from VMS Web Server 7 Message-ID: <45496116$0$49196$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>    Richard Maher wrote:H >>> But if you want the applet to do everything, then why uses HTML form9 >>> fields at all and not just fields inside the Applet ?  >> :D >>> The easiest way to keep state would probably be to keep the same@ >>> same web page and the same applet during the entire session. >> :: >>> But the more you write the more I think you should useA >>> one big applet and only use the HTML for "application start".  >> :B >>> But if you don't want to submit the HTML form, then I think it= >>> is better to make the fields, buttons etc. in the applet.  >> :2 >>> But you could do the same in pure Java applet.+ >> Ok, ok, ok, okay. Has everyone got that?  >>1 >> Option 1 (And I agree, the "preferred" option) , >> The Applet is the master of the universe! >>N >> Use the WWW as not much more than an Application Port Mapper that uses yourM >> company's Web Page to "pimp" the required application via a Java Applet. I M >> love it! I see this strategy as the future of Web interaction with VMS (if O >> not all platforms) and is a marvellous stepping stone if you later choose to O >> move to Java Web Start and full-blown applications, JVM downloads and so on. K >> Get your hands on a *good* Java coder(s) now 'cos this is what you'll be ! >> doing in the next 6-12 months!   ! It is certainly a valid approach.   B I belive that several chat programs has been implemented this way.  ? I dont't think your app will be a chat, but a chat has the same @ requirement to use sockets directly (so that the server can pushC to the client instead of the the client polling via HTTP requests).   < >>> JavaScript can call some Java code that uses them though >> :? >>> JavaScript can call methods in the Java applet that can use  >>> the socket.  >> := >>> JavaScript---(call)---Java applet---(socket)---server app  >> You bewdy!!!  >>) >> Option 2 (And possibly the softer less 4 >> challenging/distressingly-unfamiliar/safe option) >> The Half-Way House   O >> Can you please (pretty please!) show me an example of a Javascript calling a H >> method in a Java Applet? This is what I want to to in the short term.   I have never used it myself.   But here are some links:  1 http://www.rgagnon.com/javadetails/java-0170.html ? http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-06-2004/jw-0621-talk.html   E >> PS. Look, I tried hard but I have to mention AJAX again. It is the H >> asynchronous nature of watching a field being entered and sending theK >> interim results down the socket and displaying the results in a seperate O >> thread-like fashion that I'm led to believe is only doable (GIVEN OPTION 2's L >> CONSTRAINTS) by using AJAX. If you, in fact, don't need AJAX for this and> >> Arne is willing to take the time to show an example of pureN >> html->javascript->applet-method that can provide similar functionality then
 >> please do.    You only need the AJ part.   You don't want the AX part.   G The AJ part is doing something via JavaScript client side when the user  does something.   D The AX part is about communicating with the server via HTTP and XML.  , Java applet and sockets replace the AX part.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 10:52:02 -0800 " From: "Tad" <twinters@netzero.net>* Subject: Re: Login Break-in LGI parametersC Message-ID: <1162407122.877000.311940@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   A For years I've set LGI_HID_TIM to 1800 and LGI_BRK_TERM to 0, and F auditors have accepted that 5 failed login attempts from 1 source willC block that source from login for 30 minutes after the source ceases  making login attempts.C Since LGI_BRK_TMO is also used in relation to LGI_RETRY_LIM, it may ' really be more relevant to modem usage.    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: @ > Can someone please expain in simple English what happens here. > " > This is how I read the settings: > A >  1) Users get LGI_BRK_LIM=5 login failures before being blocked ? >  as an INTRUDER (The failure count is logged in the INTRUSION / >  entry even though lockout has yet to occur).  > @ >  2) Once the break-in limit is reached the source is prevented= >  from login even with the correct Username and Password for  >  LGI_HID_TIM=30 minutes. > = >  3) Monitoring of login failure continues for LGI_BRK_TMO=2 A >  minutes after a failure.  For each subsequent failure, another B >  LGI_BRK_TMO=2 minutes is added to the monitoring period.  After< >  this period has passed the INTRUSION record is discarded. >  > B > A careful reading if this yields a contradiction.  If the source< > login fails 5 times (1) the source is blocked.  MonitoringC > of that source is for 2 minutes, then the source is given a clean @ > slate (3).  The souce is prevented even from correct login for> > 30 minutes (2).  So which is it, 2 (or 4 or 6) minutes or 30. > minutes or is it 2 (or 4 or 6) + 30 minutes?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:38:29 -0700 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>* Subject: Re: Login Break-in LGI parameters) Message-ID: <4548F7B5.5000707@parsec.com>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:   B >Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com> wrote on 11/01/2006 12:33:23 PM: >  >    >  >>norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >>     >>A >>>Can someone please expain in simple English what happens here.  >>> # >>>This is how I read the settings:  >>> B >>> 1) Users get LGI_BRK_LIM=5 login failures before being blocked@ >>> as an INTRUDER (The failure count is logged in the INTRUSION0 >>> entry even though lockout has yet to occur). >>> A >>> 2) Once the break-in limit is reached the source is prevented > >>> from login even with the correct Username and Password for >>> LGI_HID_TIM=30 minutes.  >>> > >>> 3) Monitoring of login failure continues for LGI_BRK_TMO=2B >>> minutes after a failure.  For each subsequent failure, anotherC >>> LGI_BRK_TMO=2 minutes is added to the monitoring period.  After = >>> this period has passed the INTRUSION record is discarded.  >>>  >>> C >>>A careful reading if this yields a contradiction.  If the source = >>>login fails 5 times (1) the source is blocked.  Monitoring D >>>of that source is for 2 minutes, then the source is given a cleanA >>>slate (3).  The souce is prevented even from correct login for ? >>>30 minutes (2).  So which is it, 2 (or 4 or 6) minutes or 30 / >>>minutes or is it 2 (or 4 or 6) + 30 minutes?  >>>  >>> 	 >>>        >>>  >>Here is what it really means >>J >>if you have 6 (not 5) failures within (LGI_BRK_TMO * 6) minutes then youJ >>become an intruder and the system will "avoid/hide from" you for 30 *( 1 >>to 1.5) minutes. >>E >>Another way of saying this is IF you only generate failures every 3 J >>minutes (instead of 2) you will never be an intrucer, just a suspect, no$ >>matter how many failures you have. >> >> >>     >>H >So if I get a failure it sets up a record and listens for 2 minutes (inH >this case).  If no more failures happen, it discards the record and theH >cycle is reset.  If I get another failure within the 2 minutes, it getsA >added to the count in the record and listens for 2 more minutes.  > F It add the 2 minutes to the timeout value of the previous record.  ie D from one of our class systems where we had LGI_BRK_TMO set to the 5  minute default value   CLASS2$ sho intru A Intrusion       Type       Count        Expiration         Source A ---------       ----       -----        ----------         ------ J    NETWORK      SUSPECT       1    1-NOV-2006 12:05:25.97  CLASS2::MEHLHOP  . about 30 seconds later I did a another failure   CLASS2$ sho intru A Intrusion       Type       Count        Expiration         Source A ---------       ----       -----        ----------         ------ J    NETWORK      SUSPECT       2    1-NOV-2006 12:10:25.97  CLASS2::MEHLHOP  G Note this is EXACTLY LGI_BRK_TMO plus previous timeout ( 300 seconds/5   minutes) in our case   >  If itD >does not get another failure within that 2 minutes, it discards the  >record and the cycle is reset.  >  Correct   , > If the count get up OVER 5 the system will/ >prevent a valid login for another 30 minutes,   > - At least   See below for a better explanation    >but meanwhile the failure" >count will continue to increment. >    >  Correct   G >So if the "attack" continues, does the 30 minutes start after the last  >2-minute interval?    > D Once you have become an intruder then the timeout for the intrusion  record goes to the LGI_HID_TIM  7 We had ours LGI_HID_TIM set to 600 seconds (10 minutes)   = At 5 attempts the timeout on the intrusion record was set to  G 5(LGI_BRK_TMO)*5 = 25 minutes  HOWEVER once we became an intruder then  I the timeout value on the intrusion record was set BACK to LGI_HID_TIME *  F (1 to 1.5) added to the CURRENT time of the failure  10-15 minutes on  our system.    CLASS2$ sho intru A Intrusion       Type       Count        Expiration         Source A ---------       ----       -----        ----------         ------ K    NETWORK      SUSPECT       5    1-NOV-2006 12:20:52.01  CLASS2::WILLIAMS  CLASS2$ sho intru A Intrusion       Type       Count        Expiration         Source A ---------       ----       -----        ----------         ------ K    NETWORK      INTRUDER      6    1-NOV-2006 12:07:35.41  CLASS2::WILLIAMS        ie    2 >What happens to the intrusion record during this? >    > I It keeps getting updated.  HOWEVER an oddity that we discovered was that  G if you gave it a correct username/password during the hide time it did  F NOT change the timeout on the intrusion record, even though the count  DID increment.     CLASS2$ sho intru A Intrusion       Type       Count        Expiration         Source A ---------       ----       -----        ----------         ------ K    NETWORK      INTRUDER      7    1-NOV-2006 11:55:25.45  CLASS2::WILLIAMS  CLASS2$ sho intru A Intrusion       Type       Count        Expiration         Source A ---------       ----       -----        ----------         ------ K    NETWORK      INTRUDER      8    1-NOV-2006 11:55:25.45  CLASS2::WILLIAMS  CLASS2$ sho intru A Intrusion       Type       Count        Expiration         Source A ---------       ----       -----        ----------         ------ K    NETWORK      INTRUDER      9    1-NOV-2006 11:55:25.45  CLASS2::WILLIAMS     G Therefore if for 10-15 minutes (on our system) you gave it nothing but  E valid username/passwords it would timeout and allow you to log in at   that point.   D However if you had an invalid username/password during that time it D would add 10-15 minutes to the time of THAT combination for the new ' timeout value for the intrusion record.   E This is discussed in our course on VMS network and system security.   : There is a link to that course on the HP training website.       >  >    >    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 19:07:57 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com = Subject: Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP) + Message-ID: <eiarad0hr9@enews1.newsguy.com>   0 Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:K > I haven't tried to measure in MB/sec, but have noticed that with a large  I > number of files in a directory, Finder (the OS X equivalent of Windows  H > Explorer), can send Samba up to over 12,000 logical name translations 
 > per second.   E How is it working with Mac OS X, and what version of Mac OS X are you G running?  The CIFS kit is the main reason I'm threatening to upgrade my K Alpha from 7.3-2 to 8.3.  I'm currently running 10.3.9 on my Mac, mainly so A I can continue to use Classic Appletalk to access the VMS system.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 04:03:06 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> = Subject: Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP) J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-F5ED0A.04030602112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  G In article <eibapg02j7i@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:   2 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:M > > VMS 8.3 and OSX 10.3.9 here. I've had it working fine for file transfers  J > > and editing sessions on the Mac. Apart from the above mentioned issue H > > with large numbers of files in a directory, I can't say I've really I > > thrashed it, and I haven't tried using printers yet. It's nice to be  9 > > able to use it from both Finder and the command line.  > M > OK, here is an area I've definitely been interested in (at least up until I L > installed nedit on VMS recently).  Is it able to handle file versioning at > all?  F I didn't notice any nasties such as overwriting the current versions,  but an area to check out.   M > > 2. If you want to connect to 2 different shares on the VMS system (using  M > > different usernames), _don't_ say "yes" to the offer to add the password  F > > to the keychain, or the Mac will try using that username/password 9 > > combination for other shares too. and fail of course.  > < > Not an issue for me, I don't use this feature on Mac OS X.   Sorry, I was unclear.   I Having successfully tested VMS account TEST_1, and saying yes to the add  E to keychain question, I then tried accessing VMS account TEST_2, but  7 couldn't because it didn't prompt for the new username.   B Oops. By writing the problem down, I think I've just discovered a   bug/deficiency in OS X there :-)  M > > 3. You can get some misleading error messages if for example. you try to  M > > drag and drop a file into a VMS share which is specified as read only in  $ > > the config file on the VMS side. > ! > Irritating, but to be expected.    But confusing for an end user.   M > > 4. On logging out then in on the Mac, you have to manually reconnect the  J > > CIFS shares. I haven't looked to see if an auto-reconnect is possible. > 7 > Again, not an issue, I actually prefer this behavior.    OK.    I > > I'm curious about your mention of Appletalk. How are you using it to  I > > communicate with your VMS system? Pathworks/Advanced Server, or just   > > vanilla VMS? > M > The antique mid-90's Appletalk software for VMS (Pathworks for Macintosh).  ; > I use it for VMS to print to my HP5MP Laserprinter via an H > ethertalk-to-localtalk converter, and to export certain directories asL > Appletalk Shares.  I need to move off of it, at this point the real holdupL > is getting a more modern printserver hooked up to the printer with VMS andG > the Mac talking to it.  I have the hardware, I just haven't had time.   2 The following is independent of CIFS or Pathworks:  F I can't say without looking it up whether DCPS supports that printer,  but OS X certainly does.  H An alternative solution is, as long as the Mac can successfully talk to G your HP, switch on printer sharing on the Mac side, then set up an LPD  E queue on VMS, aimed at it. Yep, I can print Postscript from VMS even  % though my printer doesn't support it.   H Note that using this route, you need to dig out the actual _queue name_ I rather than the printer name from the bowels of printer setup on the Mac   side.    M > I've been saying since 10.4 came out or even before then that I need to get K > off of Appletalk, but it's one of those "it works, so why fix it" sort of J > things.  The other reason for not moving off yet is that neither NFS (HPN > TCPIP), nor either version of Samba I've tried have worked all that well for= > me.  I'm hoping that the CIFS kit from HP will work better.  >   G In what ways weren't they working well enough for you? I did manage to  I get at NFS on VMS from the command line on the Mac, but never the Finder  > or application programs. I just got used to using FTP instead.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 12:04:48 -0800 % From: "tom" <thomaswilliams@dtcc.com> - Subject: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP B Message-ID: <1162411487.943758.14650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  E Does anyone know how to rearrange the order of files that get started F in SYSMAN?  Editing the VMS$LAYERED.DAT file doesn't work. I'd hate toC have to delete/re-add everything.   Thanks in advance for any help.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:02:34 -0700 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>1 Subject: Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP ) Message-ID: <45490B6A.2060004@parsec.com>   @ If you go in to sysman you can change the phase of that command  procedure to be LPBEGIN    for example      CLASS2$ set proc/priv=oper CLASS2$ mc sysman  SYSMAN> start sho file? %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  Phase        Mode   File5 ------------ ------ --------------------------------- ( LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM% LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM 9 SYSMAN> start mod file/phase=lpbegin WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM  SYSMAN> start sho file? %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  Phase        Mode   File5 ------------ ------ --------------------------------- ( LPBEGIN      DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM% LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM  SYSMAN> exit           Thomas Williams wrote:   > H > Thanks for replying.  I opened a call with HP also.   The problem is, H > I noticed that I have one command procedure that was added later, and H > I want to move it up the list, so it'll execute right  before another D > one.  Everything's in LPMAIN now. I was trying to avoid having to  > re-do the whole thing.   >  > $ > *Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>* >  > 11/01/2006 03:20 PM  >  > 	  > To, > 	Thomas Williams <thomaswilliams@dtcc.com> > cc > 	 	 > Subject + > 	Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP  >  >  >  > 	  >  >  >  >  >  > tom wrote:I > > Does anyone know how to rearrange the order of files that get started J > > in SYSMAN?  Editing the VMS$LAYERED.DAT file doesn't work. I'd hate toG > > have to delete/re-add everything.   Thanks in advance for any help.  > >  > ' > Can you run them in different phases?  > ! > You have 4 phases to play with.  >  >  >  >  > : > ________________________________________________________7 > DTCC DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted A > with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the > > individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have@ > received this email in error, please notify us immediately and< > delete the email and any attachments from your system. The? > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the ? > presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any 8 > damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:35:48 -0700 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>1 Subject: Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP 6 Message-ID: <45491335$0$10310$815e3792@news.qwest.net>  I Best I can see is you can put a file at the end by changing the phase to  % lpbegin and then back to lpmain again      SYSMAN> start sho file? %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  Phase        Mode   File  5 ------------ ------ --------------------------------- % LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM ( LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM  6 SYSMAN> start mod file DESTA$STARTUP.COM/phase=lpbegin SYSMAN> exit   CLASS2$ mc sysman  SYSMAN> start sho file? %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  Phase        Mode   File  5 ------------ ------ --------------------------------- % LPBEGIN      DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM ( LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM  5 SYSMAN> start mod file DESTA$STARTUP.COM/phase=lpmain    SYSMAN> start sho file? %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  Phase        Mode   File  5 ------------ ------ --------------------------------- ( LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM% LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM 
 SYSMAN> exit         Thomas Williams wrote:   > F > I guess that would work, but what if I wanted to put it between two  > files in LPMAIN? >  >  > A > If you go in to sysman you can change the phase of that command  > procedure to be LPBEGIN  > 
 > for example  >  >  > CLASS2$ set proc/priv=oper > CLASS2$ mc sysman  > SYSMAN> start sho fileA > %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  > Phase        Mode   File7 > ------------ ------ --------------------------------- * > LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM' > LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM ; > SYSMAN> start mod file/phase=lpbegin WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM  > SYSMAN> start sho fileA > %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  > Phase        Mode   File7 > ------------ ------ --------------------------------- * > LPBEGIN      DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM' > LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM  > SYSMAN> exit >  >  >  >  >  > Thomas Williams wrote: >  > > I > > Thanks for replying.  I opened a call with HP also.   The problem is, I > > I noticed that I have one command procedure that was added later, and I > > I want to move it up the list, so it'll execute right  before another E > > one.  Everything's in LPMAIN now. I was trying to avoid having to  > > re-do the whole thing. >  > >  > > & > > *Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>* > >  > > 11/01/2006 03:20 PM  > >  > >                    > > To> > >                  Thomas Williams <thomaswilliams@dtcc.com> > > cc > >                    > > Subject = > >                  Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP  > >  > >  > >  > >                    > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > tom wrote:K > > > Does anyone know how to rearrange the order of files that get started L > > > in SYSMAN?  Editing the VMS$LAYERED.DAT file doesn't work. I'd hate toI > > > have to delete/re-add everything.   Thanks in advance for any help.  > > >  > > ) > > Can you run them in different phases?  > > # > > You have 4 phases to play with.  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > < > > ________________________________________________________9 > > DTCC DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted C > > with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the @ > > individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you haveB > > received this email in error, please notify us immediately and> > > delete the email and any attachments from your system. TheA > > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the A > > presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any 9 > > damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 14:08:07 -0800 % From: "tom" <thomaswilliams@dtcc.com> 1 Subject: Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP C Message-ID: <1162418887.509482.240500@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   D I was wondering about that too (changing the phase, then changing itC back).  Anyway, thanks for the replies. I got my answer from HP. It B seems that the only way to do it is as you suggested, changing theG phase to LPBEGIN.  If I wanted to, say, put the 6th file before the 3rd F file in the phase, I'd have to remove all the ones in that phase, then6 re-add them in the desired order.  They should have anE "ADD/BEFORE=file" or "ADD/AFTER=file" option.  That way, I could just E remove the one I wanted to move, then add it back in the right place.      Jim Mehlhop wrote:J > Best I can see is you can put a file at the end by changing the phase to' > lpbegin and then back to lpmain again  >  >  > SYSMAN> start sho fileA > %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  > Phase        Mode   File7 > ------------ ------ --------------------------------- ' > LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM * > LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM > 8 > SYSMAN> start mod file DESTA$STARTUP.COM/phase=lpbegin > SYSMAN> exit >  > CLASS2$ mc sysman  > SYSMAN> start sho fileA > %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  > Phase        Mode   File7 > ------------ ------ --------------------------------- ' > LPBEGIN      DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM * > LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM > 7 > SYSMAN> start mod file DESTA$STARTUP.COM/phase=lpmain  >  > SYSMAN> start sho fileA > %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  > Phase        Mode   File7 > ------------ ------ --------------------------------- * > LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM' > LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM  > SYSMAN> exit >  >  >  > Thomas Williams wrote: >  > > G > > I guess that would work, but what if I wanted to put it between two  > > files in LPMAIN? > >  > >  > > C > > If you go in to sysman you can change the phase of that command  > > procedure to be LPBEGIN  > >  > > for example  > >  > >  > > CLASS2$ set proc/priv=oper > > CLASS2$ mc sysman  > > SYSMAN> start sho fileC > > %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  > > Phase        Mode   File9 > > ------------ ------ --------------------------------- , > > LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM) > > LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM = > > SYSMAN> start mod file/phase=lpbegin WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM  > > SYSMAN> start sho fileC > > %SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  > > Phase        Mode   File9 > > ------------ ------ --------------------------------- , > > LPBEGIN      DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM) > > LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM  > > SYSMAN> exit > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > Thomas Williams wrote: > >  > > > K > > > Thanks for replying.  I opened a call with HP also.   The problem is, K > > > I noticed that I have one command procedure that was added later, and K > > > I want to move it up the list, so it'll execute right  before another G > > > one.  Everything's in LPMAIN now. I was trying to avoid having to  > > > re-do the whole thing. > >  > > >  > > > ( > > > *Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>* > > >  > > > 11/01/2006 03:20 PM  > > >  > > >  > > > To@ > > >                  Thomas Williams <thomaswilliams@dtcc.com> > > > cc > > > 
 > > > Subject ? > > >                  Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > tom wrote:M > > > > Does anyone know how to rearrange the order of files that get started N > > > > in SYSMAN?  Editing the VMS$LAYERED.DAT file doesn't work. I'd hate toK > > > > have to delete/re-add everything.   Thanks in advance for any help.  > > > >  > > > + > > > Can you run them in different phases?  > > > % > > > You have 4 phases to play with.  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________; > > > DTCC DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted E > > > with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the B > > > individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you haveD > > > received this email in error, please notify us immediately and@ > > > delete the email and any attachments from your system. TheC > > > recipient should check this email and any attachments for the C > > > presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any ; > > > damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.  > >  > >  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:59:32 -0700 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>1 Subject: Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP ) Message-ID: <454926D4.9060906@parsec.com>   E Agreed and I tried that to see if it was an undocumented feature! :-)     
 tom wrote:F > I was wondering about that too (changing the phase, then changing itE > back).  Anyway, thanks for the replies. I got my answer from HP. It D > seems that the only way to do it is as you suggested, changing theI > phase to LPBEGIN.  If I wanted to, say, put the 6th file before the 3rd H > file in the phase, I'd have to remove all the ones in that phase, then8 > re-add them in the desired order.  They should have anG > "ADD/BEFORE=file" or "ADD/AFTER=file" option.  That way, I could just G > remove the one I wanted to move, then add it back in the right place.  >  >  > Jim Mehlhop wrote: > J >>Best I can see is you can put a file at the end by changing the phase to' >>lpbegin and then back to lpmain again  >> >> >>SYSMAN> start sho fileA >>%SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  >>Phase        Mode   File7 >>------------ ------ --------------------------------- ' >>LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM * >>LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM >>8 >>SYSMAN> start mod file DESTA$STARTUP.COM/phase=lpbegin >>SYSMAN> exit >> >>CLASS2$ mc sysman  >>SYSMAN> start sho fileA >>%SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  >>Phase        Mode   File7 >>------------ ------ --------------------------------- ' >>LPBEGIN      DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM * >>LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM >>7 >>SYSMAN> start mod file DESTA$STARTUP.COM/phase=lpmain  >> >>SYSMAN> start sho fileA >>%SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2  >>Phase        Mode   File7 >>------------ ------ --------------------------------- * >>LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM' >>LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM  >>SYSMAN> exit >> >> >> >>Thomas Williams wrote: >> >>F >>>I guess that would work, but what if I wanted to put it between two >>>files in LPMAIN?  >>>  >>>  >>> B >>>If you go in to sysman you can change the phase of that command >>>procedure to be LPBEGIN >>>  >>>for example >>>  >>>  >>>CLASS2$ set proc/priv=oper  >>>CLASS2$ mc sysman >>>SYSMAN> start sho file B >>>%SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2 >>>Phase        Mode   File 8 >>>------------ ------ ---------------------------------+ >>>LPMAIN       DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM ( >>>LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM< >>>SYSMAN> start mod file/phase=lpbegin WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM >>>SYSMAN> start sho file B >>>%SYSMAN-I-COMFIL, contents of component database on node CLASS2 >>>Phase        Mode   File 8 >>>------------ ------ ---------------------------------+ >>>LPBEGIN      DIRECT WCCPROXY$STARTUP.COM ( >>>LPMAIN       DIRECT DESTA$STARTUP.COM >>>SYSMAN> exit  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>Thomas Williams wrote:  >>>  >>> I >>>>Thanks for replying.  I opened a call with HP also.   The problem is, I >>>>I noticed that I have one command procedure that was added later, and I >>>>I want to move it up the list, so it'll execute right  before another E >>>>one.  Everything's in LPMAIN now. I was trying to avoid having to  >>>>re-do the whole thing. >>>  >>>>& >>>>*Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>* >>>> >>>>11/01/2006 03:20 PM  >>>> >>>> >>>>To> >>>>                 Thomas Williams <thomaswilliams@dtcc.com> >>>>cc >>>> >>>>Subject = >>>>                 Re: Re-arranging files in SYSMAN STARTUP  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>tom wrote: >>>>J >>>>>Does anyone know how to rearrange the order of files that get startedK >>>>>in SYSMAN?  Editing the VMS$LAYERED.DAT file doesn't work. I'd hate to H >>>>>have to delete/re-add everything.   Thanks in advance for any help. >>>>>  >>>>) >>>>Can you run them in different phases?  >>>># >>>>You have 4 phases to play with.  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>< >>>>________________________________________________________9 >>>>DTCC DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted C >>>>with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the @ >>>>individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you haveB >>>>received this email in error, please notify us immediately and> >>>>delete the email and any attachments from your system. TheA >>>>recipient should check this email and any attachments for the A >>>>presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any 9 >>>>damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.  >>>  >>>  >>>  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:05:25 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>= Subject: Re: Rich Marcello retiring to perform volunteer work G Message-ID: <W6CdnQF1bvQ4F9TYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Ken Farmer wrote: $ > HP names new high-end server chiefQ > http://news.com.com/HP+names+new+high-end+server+chief/2100-1014_3-6131738.html   B Interesting.  I remember when Martin Fink only handled HP's Linux @ efforts (not exactly a major role in the company - more like an E 'evangelist').  Then last year, lo and behold, he took over NonStop,  I displacing Tandem veteran - and before that AlphaServer honcho - Pauline  F Nist, who got bumped to a QA position from which she left for greener G pastures a few months later.  Exactly what experience qualified Martin  A for that post over Pauline is unclear, but I'll bet based on his  G seniority he got paid a hell of a lot less than she did (cHumPaq being  C well known for preferring cost-savings over experienced personnel,  ; though usually not quite so far up in the executive ranks).   F And now he owns everything enterprise at HP (well, I'm not sure about F x86-based stuff).  Too bad he has no obvious VMS background, but then H Marcello wasn't exactly 'way out in front promoting VMS anyway.  Either E Martin has been hiding his comprehensive and far-reaching enterprise  C experience and insight under a very large and exceptionally opaque  I bushel, or one might suspect that HP's proprietary enterprise activities  G are on the way out - and at something approaching the speed with which  ! the tide leaves the Bay of Fundy.   @ Less than two months ago Rich was touting Itanic futures hard ( Z http://news.com.com/Turning+a+corner+with+the+new+Itanium/2008-1010_3-6115388.html?tag=nl E ).  I wonder how much the recent news that Tukwila was slipping into  H 2009 (according to http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35440 it B won't even tape out until early 2008, so it's hard to imagine its > shipping very *early* in 2009) and Poulson was being 'delayed H indefinitely' might have influenced his sudden enthusiasm for volunteer  work.   H With nothing but Montvale (late next year, though last I knew it wasn't H promising much beyond what Montecito already offers, which barely beats G today's x86-64 systems) to carry that wallowing vessel forward for the  G next three years, POWER5+ already far ahead of it, POWER6 appearing to  H be on-track to double that performance next year, POWER6+ scheduled for D 2008, and x86-64 servers apparently likely to get EV7-style on-chip H memory and glueless routing facilities before Itanic acquires them with F Tukwila, his confident statement that "the alliance agreement we have B with them [Intel] goes through 2011" may not have seemed quite as " reassuring as it did in September.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:25:05 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: RMS7 Message-ID: <b3c94$45491eec$cef8887a$1356@TEKSAVVY.COM>    Mike wrote:   I > I would love to be a company hero and figure out a way to read the data I > out of RMS and put it directly into a realtime report but it looks like ? > the only way to go is a commercial (read expensive) solution.     J ALL-IN-1 does this. You build the mapping between fields and the RMS file K with an FMS form. ALLIN1 can then access the data and build the equivalent  J of a table (a phantom dataset). And you can generate your report with the J MERGE command that takes a boiletplate/script and generates output. Newer , versions of ALLIN1 can generate HTML output.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 14:25:24 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !3 Message-ID: <$Fe5oe8JI$tF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <paul.sture.nospam-7AE8EF.19134001112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:5 > In article <M8zptKAKkpuw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1 >  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   J >> That said, I believe the best solution is to run the VMS system on GMT. > I > Only if you need to communicate with those in different time zones, or   > as a general rule?  # For long term unambiguity in dates.   / It also avoids the DST/BST circus twice a year.  --  N ==============================================================================0 DoD Instruction 8500.2 field test sites wanted -- 	http://www.LJK.com/LJK/8500_2_fieldtest.html N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:48:33 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-05DCA7.22483301112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <$Fe5oe8JI$tF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, /  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   M > In article <paul.sture.nospam-7AE8EF.19134001112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,  3 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes: 7 > > In article <M8zptKAKkpuw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 3 > >  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  > L > >> That said, I believe the best solution is to run the VMS system on GMT. > > K > > Only if you need to communicate with those in different time zones, or   > > as a general rule? > % > For long term unambiguity in dates.   9 The ACCOUNTING utility immediately springs to mind there.   1 > It also avoids the DST/BST circus twice a year.    True.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Nov 2006 17:58:58 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !. Message-ID: <mdd8xiu4vv1.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  . Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com> writes:  L > VMS system time *is* the displayed time, no matter the timezone and/or TDFJ > settings.  While there are various system services/LIB$/CRTL routines toN > convert between system time and UTC, it is entirely incorrect state that VMS) > uses UTC as the internal (system) time.   L > You can reason this out for yourself: a VMS quadword time is the number ofN > centiseconds since 17-NOV-1858.  There is NO TIMEZONE information carried inK > that definition.  Data files (SYSUAF for example, but database records as N > well) that store the time often do so as the binary VMS quadword.  Given theM > late arrival of UTC on VMS, it would break backward compatibility to change K > the definition of that quadword to be defined as UTC (and VMS Engineering  > doesn't do that...).  J > This does not mean you can't set the local timezone to GMT and avoid theM > problems...  It is actually a human factors problem rather than a technical K > one (all the really hard problems seem to involve humans, not machines!).   M It's too bad that ideas rarely got imported into VMS from the 36-bit side, in  this case from Tops-20.   I On Tops-20, system time is expressed in days and fractions of a day since K 11/17/1858 0:00:00 UTC, and time-of-day displays use a simple set of system J calls to present the local timezone to the user.  There is also a table ofN change rules for various versions of Daylight Savings Time/Summer Time so thatJ entered dates in databases can be correctly represented; these same changeL rules automate the change between DST and standard time--I didn't have to doO a thing to the PDPplanet Toad-1 (a Tops-20 system), nor did anyone else running  Tops-20 last Sunday morning.  K The older Tops-10, on the other hand, has no such mechanism, and represents H system time as the local time, in seconds since midnight, and dates as aO function of months and years since 1 Jan 1964.  So you all could be a lot worse N off.  I rebooted the 2065 on Monday, waiting an hour after shutdown to tell it' it was the same time that it went down.    --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:26:32 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !* Message-ID: <YWa2h.4333$Z66.3047@trnddc07>   Paul Sture wrote: 5 > In article <$Fe5oe8JI$tF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1 >  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  >  > M >>In article <paul.sture.nospam-7AE8EF.19134001112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,  3 >>Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  >>6 >>>In article <M8zptKAKkpuw@eisner.encompasserve.org>,2 >>> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >>K >>>>That said, I believe the best solution is to run the VMS system on GMT.  >>> J >>>Only if you need to communicate with those in different time zones, or  >>>as a general rule?  >>% >>For long term unambiguity in dates.  >  > ; > The ACCOUNTING utility immediately springs to mind there.  >  > 1 >>It also avoids the DST/BST circus twice a year.  >  >  > True.  >   F Aren't the Primary and Secondary hours used in the access restrictionsE stuff in AUTHORIZE based on the system clock?  In other words, if you D are using this stuff, wouldn't you have to change the definitions ofE primary and secondary twice a year when DST changes?  I.E. in Eastern F US, during the winter primary time might be 13:00 to 21:00 UTC (8AM toB 4PM EST), but in the summer it would have to be 12:00 to 20:00 UTC5 (8AM to 4PM EDT)?  So the circus is still in town :-)          --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:01:53 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !: Message-ID: <CIqdndbTruQf3tTYnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Neil Rieck wrote:   A > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message  6 > news:cvqdnSgsv9y2NdrYnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com... >  > [...snip...] > I >>Modern O/Ss, including VMS, normally keep time in UTC.  The display of  M >>local time is merely a convenience for the user.  Each user, if he wishes,  H >>can have times displayed using his own local time zone.  Time is thus J >>always monotonically increasing, it's only the DISPLAY of the time that 4 >>bounces around; time stamps should be unambiguous. >> >  > L > Sorry but VMS does not work this way. Shifting in/out of daylight savings O > time does change the clock. Now it is true that a bunch of stuff has been to  L > added to the RTLs so that UNIX languages (C/C++/Java) return the expected  > values including time zone.  >   F I think it was this that confused me.  I ran into a problem years ago B when the Oracle DBA complained that the time was wrong on a newly H installed cluster.  Of course Oracle was using the CRTL stuff.  Anyway, 0 doing the UTC$CONFGURE stuff solved her problem.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 18:41:05 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !B Message-ID: <1162435265.295935.63740@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  > Neil Rieck wrote:  >  > >>N > > Oops. You are 100% correct because there are Winter and Summer adjustmentsI > > to GMT. UTC is what I meant to type (but didn't due to a brain fart).  > H > UTC being the atomic clock time standard which is always kept within 1J > second of GMT (astronomical time - Greenwich Meridian London) by the useK > of leap seconds when needed - for those wondering what the difference is.   D The term GMT is obsolete and ambiguous. Wikipedia claims GMT "split"E into UT1 and UTC. I could swear I remember some reference claiming it @ was the same as UT1, which is how it is being used in the quotedC paragraph above. Many, especially those in Britain, use GMT to mean A UTC. It is best to avoid its use if possible (well, at least when , better than 1-second precision is required).  F Above all, "GMT" is not equivalent to London civil time. It happens toD be the same (or within 0.9 seconds of, depending on which GMT you'reF using -- UTC or UT1), when British Summer Time is NOT in effect. BST =	 UTC+0100.   G > There was a recent proposal to allow UTC to gradually drift away from E > GMT because of the fear that one day something will go disastrously I > wrong in some buggy software at a leap second. A plane landing being an B > oft quoted example. The proposal didn't get adopted this time...  : I've heard about this. It is currently very controversial.   >  > --   > Alan Greig   AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 18:48:36 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !B Message-ID: <1162435716.884861.45960@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:M > > UTC is yet another example of the French refusing to accept what the rest : > > of the world was already doing because it was English. > G > It is my understanding that GMT and UTC are different in the way leap L > seconds are handled.  (remember those seconds that are added or removed at > the end of the year?)   @ Which GMT are you talking about -- UTC or UT1? UTC is subject to> leap-second adjustments. UT1 is based on the Earth's rotation,@ corrected for polar wandering, and is not subject to leap-secondE adjustments. UTC is kept within 0.9 sec. of UT1 via leap seconds. For , this purpose, the term "GMT" is not useful..  G UTC is the basis of civil time around the world. All standard-time time C zones are calculated based on UTC. UT1 is used for navigational and " other highly specialized purposes.   AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 11:03:53 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com 5 Subject: VMS support people looking for answers here? C Message-ID: <1162407833.071438.247190@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   & has everyone who knows vms been fired?  9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/10/31/2137885    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:22:58 -0500/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 9 Subject: Re: VMS support people looking for answers here? I Message-ID: <8660a3a10611011722s27655d58ic5193462cd7dfbcf@mail.gmail.com>   N On 1 Nov 2006 11:03:53 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:( > has everyone who knows vms been fired? > ; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/10/31/2137885  >  >    Okay, that's it.  F I've been answering their questions for free that I'd be paying *them* to answer if I was asking them?   @ From now on, if I don't know you, answers are 5 USD each, or the) equivalent amount in your local currency.    No renminbi, please.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:10:42 -0500/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 9 Subject: Re: VMS support people looking for answers here? G Message-ID: <8660a3a10611011810p69074am1bd3f4f310d8bb6e@mail.gmail.com>   2 On 11/1/06, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote:U > In article <8660a3a10611011722s27655d58ic5193462cd7dfbcf@mail.gmail.com> you write:  > >  > > Okay, that's it. > > J > > I've been answering their questions for free that I'd be paying *them*# > > to answer if I was asking them?  > > D > > From now on, if I don't know you, answers are 5 USD each, or the- > > equivalent amount in your local currency.  > : > Nah, what you do is refer them to HP OpenVMS Support. ;) > 0 > (Said quite tongue-in-cheek; couldn't resist.) >  > -Dan >    So was mine.  E I wondered afterwards if I should have put a sarcasm tag on the post.   F Oh, and If you want me to keep on arguing with you, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:12:07 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 9 Subject: Re: VMS support people looking for answers here? 9 Message-ID: <LMKdnWRKNenc_9TYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    William Webb wrote: J > On 1 Nov 2006 11:03:53 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com <bob@instantwhip.com>  > wrote:) >> has everyone who knows vms been fired?  >>< >> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/10/31/2137885 >> >> >  > Okay, that's it. > H > I've been answering their questions for free that I'd be paying *them*! > to answer if I was asking them?  > C >  From now on, if I don't know you, answers are 5 USD each, or the + > equivalent amount in your local currency.  >  > No renminbi, please. >  > WWWebb   Agreed!   ) What I don't understand is the following:   + "He concludes there is no point bashing HP"   H Just why the hell not?  They created the problem, while still accepting  support dollars from customers.   H If a gas station adds water to the fuel to make more money, what do you  do?  You buy elsewhere.   H It's not like HP has encountered a problem that they cannot handle.  HP  created the problem.   BASH!  BASH! And more BASH!    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:04:04 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: VMS support people looking for answers here? 8 Message-ID: <719f2$45496e31$cef8887a$22543@TEKSAVVY.COM>  K Re: HP support people coming to internet forums to get answers to customer  
 questions.  ) Here is an opportunity for COMP.OS.VMS...   C Since VMS management doesn't seem impressed with c.o.v (calling it  J "complain.os.vms"), perhaps some highly skilled and intelligent responses L to the technical questions from the newbie tech support "specialists" would  one day pay off.  K Consider that the newbie tech support guys could one day pay you back with  : some favours since they have access to resources we don't.  K Also, consider a commercial customer who sees his question asked to one of  H those newbies pop up on c.o.v. minutes later,  sees the response from a I regular poster and minutes later, the newbie tech sup calls the customer  J back with that answer... That customer could then reall blast HP suppport  with real example.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2006 16:12:46 -0800  From: apogeusistemas@gmail.comN Subject: Re: Where get this file ? CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT.EXEB Message-ID: <1162426366.632968.99220@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   Stephen Hoffman wrote:! > apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:  > ) > > Can you tell me where get this file ?  > > / > > CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT.EXE  > J >    This is/was available via the HP CSC -- the support center -- but theG > usual triggers for the underlying problem have been (AFAIK) addressed 
 > via ECO. > D >    Would you mind elaborating on why you think you need to force aI > dismount?  And on what OpenVMS version and platform is in use here, and C > what sort of sequence is triggering the device to have (I assume)  > dangling ownership?  > 8 >    If you're not current on ECOs, do please get there.   I=B4m using VAX/VMS V5.5-2  3 Constantly my mka300: magtape stuck with a process. , Issuing stop/id doesn=B4t release magtape...      @ Magtape BHVAX3$MKA300:, device type TSZ07, is online, allocated,
 deallocate on F     dismount, mounted foreign, software write-locked, volume is marked for A     dismount, record-oriented device, file-oriented device, error 
 logging is7     enabled, operations being canceled, device is busy.   <     Error count                 1622    Operations completed  141195 1     Owner process         "BATCH_65"    Owner UIC  [CMTU,CMTU_INSTALL] 0     Owner process ID        00000278    Dev Prot S:RWED,O:RWED,G:,W: ;     Reference count                3    Default buffer size      512   ;     Volume label            "SYFALK"    Relative volume no.        0 9     Record size                    0    Transaction count        1 3     Mount status             Process    Mount count        0 $     ACP process name              "".     Density                     6250    Format	 Normal-11   B   Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, write-locked, odd parity.    / Is there any place that I could get this file ?  I don=B4t have a HP suport...     
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:42:50 -0500 - From: bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> N Subject: Re: Where get this file ? CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT.EXE* Message-ID: <45493F0A.6060407@comcast.net>   apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:  > Stephen Hoffman wrote: [...] 9 >>    If you're not current on ECOs, do please get there.  >  > Im using VAX/VMS V5.5-2 > 5 > Constantly my mka300: magtape stuck with a process. , > Issuing stop/id doesnt release magtape... [...]   H Pardon me for asking, but is there any reason you can't reboot to clear H the problem?  I realize I'm spouting heresy here        :-), but if you I and/or your customer(s) can stand some downtime, this is a safe approach.   D Hoff's suggestion is still valid, of course.  Later versions of VMS ? (including VAX?) have "solved" this problem, for the most part.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.602 ************************