1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 04 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 607       Contents: Building Mozilla ? How hard ? ! Re: Building Mozilla ? How hard ? & Re: CA CEO sentenced to jail for fraud% Re: CDE or original Session Manager ?   DECW Session Manager and MOZILLA Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 ?  Re: Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 ?  Re: Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 ? 3 Re: Itanium model numbers {re F$getsyi("HW_MODEL")}  Re: no mail from montagar? Re: no mail from montagar?- Re: Process Software OpenVMS Security Webinar 4 Re: Rich Marcello retiring to perform volunteer work TCPIP Services SPAM config Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: TSZ07 Magnetic Tape Drive # Re: Unix admin needs some pointers. & Re: [OT] SRM hardware setup reference?& Re: [OT] SRM hardware setup reference?& Re: [OT] SRM hardware setup reference?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 05:18:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Building Mozilla ? How hard ?7 Message-ID: <13ba3$454c68f3$cef8887a$8492@TEKSAVVY.COM>   8 The VMS web site offers downloads of the Mozilla source.  > How difficult would it be to build this into the executables ?  K I am really annoyed by the software's insistance at deleteing system files  I in the main shared cswb directories.  The word "Secure" doesn't apply to  I CSWB. If you happen to start mozilla while SYSPRV is enable, it fucks up  F file protections in those directories because it recreates many files  without proper protection.  I Also, I would really want to remove the translation from the > character   into some grey graphical bar.   J If there is a nice clean build procedure, then I might consider a venture J to fix the above. (I assume that Mozilla is no longer supported/improved).J But if it is a very involved process, then it is pointless to consider it B and I should instead ficus on finding another news client for VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 04:47:24 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> * Subject: Re: Building Mozilla ? How hard ?5 Message-ID: <slrnekorts.5bi.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   f In article <13ba3$454c68f3$cef8887a$8492@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:: > The VMS web site offers downloads of the Mozilla source. > @ > How difficult would it be to build this into the executables ?  D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb_source.html  D This is for CSWB build from sources itself, but they do say that the1 Mozilla (non-CSWB) build process is very similar.   0 Step-by-step instructions are at that URL above.   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 10:52:45 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> / Subject: Re: CA CEO sentenced to jail for fraud J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-F380F2.10524504112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  8 In article <u5Q2h.3107$lY5.2203@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,B  "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>   wrote:   < > He said HP required it for "the greater financial benefit'* > I thought it was just his use of English& > Oh well, better call Chase Visa..... >   6 No, what he meant was that he was after a _work_ visa.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:18:50 -0600 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>. Subject: Re: CDE or original Session Manager ?: Message-ID: <b-Sdnffe2-O_V9HYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote: - > At the risk of starting a religious war....  > @ > I was able to somewhat start CDE on the alpha, targetted at myJ > vaxstation (which confused the hell out of existing windows which becameG > encapsulated in an additional window for each existing window but all B > those windows died when CDE exited, even though they didn't have! > anything to do with the alpha).  > I > Reading the manual, and using some the features, it appears that CDE is D > more polished than the traditional session manager. (for instance,H > ability to quickly install some background image/pattern into the fake2 > background (which isn't really the root window). > 6 > And of course, the file manager seems to be far moreD > usable/sophisticated (closer to what the MAC has had since 1984).  > J > There seems to be a neat function of having different workspaces (so youJ > could have one with all your system management windows, one for "office"F > windows (email, worlk processing etc) , one for programming (all the7 > editor windows for the files you are working on etc).  > H > So this can greatly reduce window clutter. So when you switch from oneJ > workspace to another it is the equivalent of making all existing windowsL > inconised, and expanding all icons related to the workspace you asked for. >  > F > Over the years however, I have heard/read many comments about people3 > sticking to the original session manager desktop.  >  > F > And I can see why. The session manager window gives far more obvious > access to applications.  >  > I > Are there many people who have switched to CDE and are convinced enough G > of its superiority that they can convince others to make the switch ?  > G > Are there many who switch back and forth depending on the position of " > the stars relative to the moon ? >  > E > Are people who stick with the traditional desktop just reluctant to @ > adopt change ? Or does it really end up being simpler and more > productive ?  D There's ONE thing that keeps me using the Motif session manager and H refusing to use CDE.  I have not yet found a way to utilize the various B special key functions (<ALT><F2> to switch from DECwindows to the I "console" on an Alpha, for instance).  There are times when this ability  , is mandatory in my work/support environment.   bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 05:14:35 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: DECW Session Manager and MOZILLA 7 Message-ID: <5b288$454c6808$cef8887a$7598@TEKSAVVY.COM>   I I've experienced a problem documented in some release notes for Mozilla.  K They discuss a problem where when sending a message, it fails because of a  G Temporary Directory is screwed up. The notes mention that one needs to  ( undefine the logicals TMP and/or TMPDIR.   Here is the catch:  E I was able before to send messages when Mozilla was started from the  - session manager, and then it stopped working.   J While I cannot send message from session manager initiated Mozilla, I can G still get an instance of Mozilla that works when invoked interactively.   B The session manager's "Session->Logical Names"  says there are no ! definitions for "TMP" or "TMPDIR"   F Is it possible that some application created a logical for TMP and/or L TMPDIR and that process survived and is being used to start Mozilla ? (aka: K one application polluting the process logical table and thus affecting the  $ next app that re-uses that process ?  K Short of updating the MOZILLA.COM to do a SHOW LOG TMP* , is there another  L way to find out if those logicals would be defined when decw$session starts 6 a process with the SYS$COMMON:[CSWB]MOZILLA.COM file ?  J So far, I have to say that i am not overly impressed with the cleanliness J of the move from my old rock solid reliable VAX to this newphangled thing 
 called alpha.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 05:02:26 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 ?7 Message-ID: <418f8$454c652f$cef8887a$6381@TEKSAVVY.COM>   < Has anyone successfully run Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 on Alpha ?  ; I just picked it up from the freeware (4) and installed it.   L 1- The installation didn't seem to setup the network object or UAF properly F   so the client cannot remotely start the server. But I can start the 3 server interactively and that works. This is minor.   L 2- The initial setup screen where you select your aircraft and runways pops 
 up just fine.   : 3- When you press "RUN" to start the simulator it crashes.    G Is it just some incompatibilities because my SYS$LOGIN had preexisting  J FLT$DEFAULTS.DAT file ? Or is this s true blue VMS bug where Flight is no  longer working ?    $ flight %FLT-I-VERSION, FLIGHT V3.1 1 %FLT-I-NUMOBJREA, read 6 objects from hangar file 6 %FLT-I-NUMINSREA, read 73 instruments from hangar file1 %FLT-I-CONNECTING, connecting to server node BIKE 3 %FLT-I-CONNECTED, connection completed successfully  %FLT-F-ABORT, operation aborted / %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows L >   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC= >  FLT$SIMULATOR  FLIGHT_X_CONVENIENCES  INITIALIZE_ANIMATION Q >                                          2347 000000000000EFC8 00000000000F5E48 2 >  FLT$SIMULATOR  FLIGHT_FUNCTIONS  BUILD_DISPLAYSQ >                                           580 0000000000001884 00000000000731D4 / >  FLT$SIMULATOR  FLIGHT_FUNCTIONS  PREPARE_RUN Q >                                          1437 0000000000005058 00000000000769A8 7 >  FLT$SIMULATOR  FLIGHT_FUNCTIONS  START_SIMULATOR_RUN Q >                                          1566 00000000000058E0 0000000000077230 6 >  FLT$SIMULATOR  FLIGHT_WIDGETS  RUN_FLIGHT_SIMULATORQ >                                          1989 0000000000009350 00000000000D9870 Q >  DECW$XTSHR                                 0 00000000000315E4 00000000004135E4 Q >  DECW$XMLIBSHR                              0 00000000000C78E8 00000000007358E8 Q >  DECW$XMLIBSHR                              0 00000000000C47BC 00000000007327BC Q >  DECW$XMLIBSHR                              0 000000000008FDDC 00000000006FDDDC Q >  DECW$XMLIBSHR                              0 00000000000ADB64 000000000071BB64 Q >  DECW$XTSHR                                 0 0000000000067BB4 0000000000449BB4 Q >  DECW$XTSHR                                 0 000000000003F584 0000000000421584 Q >  DECW$XTSHR                                 0 000000000003FB78 0000000000421B78 Q >  DECW$XTSHR                                 0 000000000003FD18 0000000000421D18 Q >  DECW$XTSHR                                 0 0000000000040224 0000000000422224 Q >  FLT$SIMULATOR  FLIGHT  FLIGHT           1009 0000000000000588 0000000000050A18 Q >                                             0 FFFFFFFF8037BCE4 FFFFFFFF8037BCE4 ' > %TRACE-I-END, end of TRACE stack dump    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2006 12:39:28 +0100 R From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, DTI Athis ex CENA, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)$ Subject: Re: Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 ?! Message-ID: <kE$cKMQg5lTT@sinead>   g In article <418f8$454c652f$cef8887a$6381@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > > Has anyone successfully run Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 on Alpha ? > = > I just picked it up from the freeware (4) and installed it.  > N > 1- The installation didn't seem to setup the network object or UAF properly H >   so the client cannot remotely start the server. But I can start the 5 > server interactively and that works. This is minor.  > N > 2- The initial setup screen where you select your aircraft and runways pops  > up just fine.  > < > 3- When you press "RUN" to start the simulator it crashes. >  > I > Is it just some incompatibilities because my SYS$LOGIN had preexisting  L > FLT$DEFAULTS.DAT file ? Or is this s true blue VMS bug where Flight is no  > longer working > ?  > 
 > $ flight > %FLT-I-VERSION, FLIGHT V3.1 3 > %FLT-I-NUMOBJREA, read 6 objects from hangar file 8 > %FLT-I-NUMINSREA, read 73 instruments from hangar file3 > %FLT-I-CONNECTING, connecting to server node BIKE 5 > %FLT-I-CONNECTED, connection completed successfully ! > %FLT-F-ABORT, operation aborted 1 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows   O JF, is your display 8bit Pseudocolor ? Flight doesn't like a Truecolor display.   6 BTW, IIRW, I tried Flight under 8.2 but nor under 8.3    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2006 06:57:54 -0800  From: davidc@montagar.com $ Subject: Re: Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 ?C Message-ID: <1162652274.576136.129400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: > > Has anyone successfully run Flight 3.1 on VMS 8.3 on Alpha ?  B Oh boy, if only HP would open source Flight.  That is a major coolD simulation.  What I would like to see is a TCPIP-based server, so we8 could organize a flight party with a bunch of us guys...  F Would it be possible for a DECnetV host to use DECnet-over-IP and linkB remote systems over the Internet to a common Flight Server?  Would, anyone be interested in something like that?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:58:00 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>< Subject: Re: Itanium model numbers {re F$getsyi("HW_MODEL")}) Message-ID: <eiigql$2vdu$1@pyrite.mv.net>    Robert Deininger wrote: J > HP's Integrity systems do have a binary identifier known as the "productI > ID", which the firmware makes available and which VMS doesn't currently E > make visible to the user.  I don't really know why VMS doesn't take J > advantage of the product ID; it is a close analog of the Alpha SMM.  TheL > Alpha SMM has much finer granularity, and I think the registration process& > was perhaps more tightly controlled.  E    I remember spending hours digging around within the Intel Itanium  F platform specs, as did various other folks, trying to dig that detail  out...  E    For the "published" list of Alpha System Marketing Models (SMMs),  B look in the most recent ALPHADEF module from the OpenVMS Alpha or + OpenVMS I64 libraries, circa V8.2 or later.   G    Is that product identifier you're referring to here specific to the  @ HP Integrity platform (and also unique), or to the more general C Intel-level platform specs (and also globally unique)?  (There are  H unlimited quantities of these sorts of extensions possible, and there's F all manner of stuff can be buried in all sorts of places all over the H ACPI tables, for instance.  And the ACPI "database" is a great place to D store stuff in an entirely consistent and entirely inconsistent and $ entirely platform-specific fashion.)  G    Though on thinking about it here, I'd also doubt that there will be  E an OpenVMS I64 version officially and formally supported on an Intel  I Itanium platform other than an HP or affilianted box, so the distinction  G between the HP-specific pieces and the Intel platform pieces here (for  G the Product Id value) is arguably moot.  If it's needed for/by OpenVMS  ' I64, it'll be included in the platform.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 12:28:42 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk# Subject: Re: no mail from montagar? , Message-ID: <eii11q$ml5$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  ^ In article <1162595614.950828.47180@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes: >  >Ian Miller wrote:2 >> Is that why the hobbyist forums have been down? >>F >> You can still run MX. Just disable the UCX SMTP server and start MX >> instead.  > E >First, the MX with all the anti-spam goodies (V5.x) is licensed from H >MadGoat, but I have don't a license to run it on that system right now.F > Also, I did want to learn about running TCPIP SMTP.   And foremost -B >as a Hobbyist, DSPP member, and OpenVMS Advocate - I need to haveD >proper licenses!  I appearently need to write the termination dates >down on my calendar...  > L If it's for a hobbyist system then PMDF is probably a better replacement forO TCPIP Services SMTP than MX. It's free for hobbyists and has more functionality  than MX.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2006 06:45:35 -0800  From: davidc@montagar.com # Subject: Re: no mail from montagar? B Message-ID: <1162651535.027376.81180@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: N > If it's for a hobbyist system then PMDF is probably a better replacement forQ > TCPIP Services SMTP than MX. It's free for hobbyists and has more functionality 
 > than MX.  ? True, PMDF is a good alternative.  I'll probably look into that D eventually.  I've used PMDF at another facility I was consulting at,E and it worked very well.  Part of the issue is that the equipment I'm 0 using isn't always used for hobbyist purposes...  D What features/functionality of PMDF do you like that isn't in, or is better done, than MX?    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 12:29:54 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: Process Software OpenVMS Security Webinar0 Message-ID: <00A5E36B.7C800EAE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  | In article <paul.sture.nospam-9AA426.11105004112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes: >  > D >In article <1162471238.574615.170490@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,# > "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote:  > H >> Unfourtunally 8pm GMT on a Friday I have other things to do. I expectH >> the webinar presentation will appear on their web site sometime after' >> the event and I can look at it then.  > G >If I heard correctly, they announced at the end that it will still be   >available online for a month. > H >I don't know if it was an internet glitch, but the presentation slides ? >were out of of sync with the speech, moving to the next slide  H >prematurely enough to be irritating. Just in case that happens to you, H >I'd recommend downloading the PDF so that you can scroll through it in  >sync with the speech. > @ >For the benefit of OS X users, it worked fine with Firefox and  >RealPlayer.  0 It was Micro$oft media as far as I could tell.       --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2006 07:18:17 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: Rich Marcello retiring to perform volunteer work C Message-ID: <1162653497.064313.165620@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Elliott Roper wrote: > > It is still there. > > 161.114.21.165A > > h20325.www2.hp.com.  7200  IN CNAME activeanswers.compaq.com.  > >  > . > Thanks. You must have it on your DNS caches. >  >  > $ nslookup h20325.www2.hp.com  > Server:  VELO.vaxination.ca  > Address:  10.0.0.11  > P > *** VELO.vaxination.ca can't find h20325.www2.hp.com: Non-existent host/domain >  >  > $ nslookup 161.114.21.165  > Server:  VELO.vaxination.ca  > Address:  10.0.0.11  > " > Name:    vzaqswebtest.cce.hp.com > Address:  161.114.21.165 >  > 
 > however,E >  >http://161.114.21.165/blogs/marcello/archive/2006/09/19/1630.html  >  > Does work. > K > The contents do not surprise me.  Such "peace and love" mentality is neat J > on the surface, but it does not really foster change because to push forO > changes, you often end up creating conflicts against those who refuse change.   0 No, no, no. You don't get it. But that's ok. :-)  G I was once in line at a food place. There suddenly was an issue. Due to G a misunderstanding over waiting for a particular worker vs. waiting for B the next available worker, a conflict arose between me and anotherG person in line. He got angry and said he was next because of so and so. A That made me angry and I said something angry in response. Then a B gentlemen expalined to me in a calm voice what had happened and myC anger suddenly left me. What he said was highly disarming. It takes G some talent to do what he did (the guy with the calm voice), but it was  highly effective.   F Also, when you get into an argument with someone and tell them they'reC wrong, their first instinct and reaction is usually to defend their E views no matter what. It becomes a matter of pride. Nine times out of > ten, an argument ends with each of the contestants more firmlyG convinced than ever that he is absolutely right. Even if you eventually = win the argument (rare) you will lose the person's good will.   F You need to be more subtle. There's a lot more to this philosophy, but I'd need to write a book.   E And Mr. Todd, don't even bother responding. If you do, I am not going C to read it. Your responses are highly predictable and, ..., well, I E won't go there. I'll waste no more of my time with such stuff. That's ! why you're back in the plonk box.   H > His peace and love mentality hasn't gotten VMS anywhere within HP. And  , You're making a lot of assumptions here. No?  J > while he may have taken the right decisions for his own carreer ( he hasM > survived 2 mergers and gone up in the ranks during this time), his decision H > to be a quiet sheep that doesn't disturb the shit has also resulted in- > nobody fighting for VMS' success within HP.  > D > You'd think that at the very least, in his position, he would haveL > sucessfully argued for a secons renaissance for VMS (eg: marketing budget)O > since the first time showed that it worked well and gerenated serious growth.   G And here, too. Do you know everything about what motivates him? I doubt D it. I, too, want VMS to grow probably as much as you do. But I don't. expect people to make sacrifices on my behalf.  E One failure doesn't invalidate an idea. Look at Thomas Edison and his E efforts at inventing the light bulb. Or look at when rockets blow up. / That doesn't mean you can't make a rocket work.   A And also, sometimes there is nothing you can do to get your way.     AEF    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:08:32 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> # Subject: TCPIP Services SPAM config : Message-ID: <4W23h.1506$r12.45@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>  > According to the docs setting: Symbiont-Checks-Delivery: FALSE  P The default setting (FALSE) causes the SMTP receiver to check for undeliverable N email. This prevents the problem by not letting the SPAM for the unknown user O onto the host in the first place. To restore the old behavior (symbiont checks  # delivery), set this option to TRUE.   O Why then does my system constantly try to process usernames that do not exist?  L And why would anyone make up a username like 3ab8dd.5003023@my-dom-main.???  (rhetorical)  P DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.4-15            Full LP     Install     29-AUG-2006 21:46:04  G Are there any patches relating to this issue available for "hobbyiist".      --   Michael Austin.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:38:17 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ' Subject: Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config ( Message-ID: <eiij69$461$1@pcls6.std.com>  3 Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:   P >Why then does my system constantly try to process usernames that do not exist? M >And why would anyone make up a username like 3ab8dd.5003023@my-dom-main.???  
 >(rhetorical)   K I know the question is rhetorical, but I'll answer anyway.  First reason is I deliberately trying to send to a nonexistent address to see if the system I accepts such addresses.  That may indicate a spamtrap to them.  Second is K spammer's newsgroup email address harvesting software is often broken.  It  E thinks newsgroups message IDs are email addresses since they have the E format something@example.com.  Check Google Groups, I bet a newsgroup < posting with message ID "3ab8dd.5003023@my-dom-main" exists.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:48:41 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)' Subject: Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config 2 Message-ID: <06110411484095_2022581F@antinode.org>  1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>   @ > According to the docs setting: Symbiont-Checks-Delivery: FALSE > [...] E > Why then does my system constantly try to process usernames that do 
 > not exist?    C    The problem is not with names which don't exist, it's with names  which can't exist.  R > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.4-15            Full LP     Install     29-AUG-2006 21:46:04 > I > Are there any patches relating to this issue available for "hobbyiist".   G    I know of no patch for TCPIP V5.4.  I'm told that it's all better in I V5.5.  Apparently it was too hard to supply a fix for the older version.  ! (In some sense or other, anyway.)   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  ! Date: Sat, 04 Nov 06 11:45:02 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !< Message-ID: <eihufu$8qk_001@s961.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>  3 In article <BDJJQW6HCwty@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ?    koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > >In article <eif9jg$8ss_001@s995.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,  jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:  >>  J >> I'm trying to think which library routine would care about time of day. >> RAN?  > ! >   My first guess would be DATE.   0 Heh.  Dopey me.  I didn't remember that routine.  : But now I have this awful itch that one always gets when a bug is encountered.     = If it were in DATE, it should have been easy to fix.  I don't = understand the reply to the SPR.  We knew how to ship FORTRAN 4 patches and it was even politcally correct to do so.     /BAH   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2006 07:11:16 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !3 Message-ID: <360wQ8YnUo4F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <454c7b81$0$14823$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  N > If memory serves, the 2038 problem can be pushed off to 2106 if programmers C > only switch from a signed to unsigned "seconds since 1970-01-01".   H It certainly is fitting to have a solution depend on something so robustF as presuming that programs everywhere have made the proper distinction* between signed and unsigned variables :-).  L > Right now OpenVMS doesn't have any near-term date limitations so only the N > time (zone) thing needs to be fixed in order to make it as good as UNIX. So  > what are our options?  > M > 1) HP won't make any changes because they don't want to break anything and   > they want to save money. > H > 2) This means that third party developers will need to step up to the J > challenge like they did 20 years ago with TCP/IP. (for example, TCPware  > first appeared in 1984)  > N > 3) Hopefully, there will be enough support that HP would eventually license N > the third party code for integration into the OpenVMS code base. Even then, M > it would be nice to enable this functionality on a per process basis (like  % > $SET PROC/CASE and $SET PROC/PARSE)  > L > 4) If there wasn't ever enough interest in this from HP, some third party N > developers are going to be raking in a lot of easy money for a long time to  > come.   A Your economic analysis seems flawed since the current crop of VMS A customers do not seem to be flocking to the product that was made > available to do this for Y2K testing.  Perhaps it is no longer@ offered by the vendor, but I can assure you it would be if there were sufficient demand.  --  N ==============================================================================0 DoD Instruction 8500.2 field test sites wanted -- 	http://www.LJK.com/LJK/8500_2_fieldtest.html N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:46:27 -0600 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>& Subject: Re: TSZ07 Magnetic Tape Drive: Message-ID: <woWdndzUHvIGTdHYnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@comcast.com>   apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote: 	 > Hi all:  > 0 > I have an old TSZ07 Digital tape drive in use.4 > Is there any way to get more data from this device' > than the "sh mag mk" or "sh dev mk" ?  > .  > 
 > Regards. >   B In other responses you say that you're after information from the F TSZ07's "front panel."  Some of this is already available, but you're G limited.  A lot of what you can see with $ SHOW DEVICE/FULL MKxnnn: is  D available with lexical functions IF you know how to decode the bits = properly or if there are specific tests that return specific  D information.  If you want readings like "loading" or "unloading" or I self-test information is probably not accessable.  Others like "online,"  H density, BOT or not do seem to be handed back to/through the driver for H VMS' consumption and information.  Or you could write code that touches 9 the same information using a $GETDVI-type system service.    bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:58:46 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> , Subject: Re: Unix admin needs some pointers.5 Message-ID: <slrnekoeh6.5bi.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   v In article <1161412600.510296.138270@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, jrmorrisnc@gmail.com <jrmorrisnc@gmail.com> wrote: > F > I've recently inherited a Alpha system running OpenVMS... I'm a UnixE > admin, and this is in production for mission critical applications.  > F > I have an old DEC VMS User Guide, and google, and of course a lot ofA > mindset and skills highly relevant to Unix systems and probably  > detrimental on VMS systems.  > E > I need pointers to a crash course in VMS administration. Or a book, E > books, etc. I am a recent hire and the VMS admin was asked to leave E > (despite my recommendations, in fact). What little documentation on I > things like backup procedures and so forth tends toward the general and H > vague rather than specific and procedural. I was hired as a Unix/LinuxE > admin, and at no point did I ever say or did my resume mention VMS.   D Here's a reasonable attempt at documenting VMS and UNIX equivalents:  @ http://www.physnet.uni-hamburg.de/physnet/vms-unix-commands.html  D It might be useful to you, though it's no substitute for reading theE system manager manual or hands-on experimentation with a test system.    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 09:01:19 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> / Subject: Re: [OT] SRM hardware setup reference? + Message-ID: <4r2vr8Fn6hjdU1@individual.net>   - On 2006-11-04 02:24, "Stephen Hoffman" wrote:   B >    Try the Alpha Architecture Reference Manual (ARM) materials, G > available off the FTP site.  The ARM and the (much harder to locate)  H > System Reference Manual (SRM) are the source of this sort of thing...  > Try the following as a start:  > N > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/alphaahb.pdf  G <http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/technology/chip-docs.html> seems  to be a bit more current ...   > [...]   H BTW: Does anyone happen to know if the 21xxx specs of the PCI-bridge and% ethernet chips are available as well?    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:36:12 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) / Subject: Re: [OT] SRM hardware setup reference? Y Message-ID: <rdeininger-0411060936190001@dialup-4.233.149.4.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>   + In article <4r2vr8Fn6hjdU1@individual.net>, 1 2006Q4.usenet.michaelunger@spamgourmet.org wrote:   . >On 2006-11-04 02:24, "Stephen Hoffman" wrote: > C >>    Try the Alpha Architecture Reference Manual (ARM) materials,  H >> available off the FTP site.  The ARM and the (much harder to locate) I >> System Reference Manual (SRM) are the source of this sort of thing...    >> Try the following as a start: >>  O >> ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/alphaahb.pdf  > H ><http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/technology/chip-docs.html> seems >to be a bit more current ...  >  >> [...] > I >BTW: Does anyone happen to know if the 21xxx specs of the PCI-bridge and & >ethernet chips are available as well?  H I've seen a number of them published in book form.  I don't know if they were/are publicly available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:22:38 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>/ Subject: Re: [OT] SRM hardware setup reference? ) Message-ID: <eiieoc$2uoq$1@pyrite.mv.net>    Robert Deininger wrote: - > In article <4r2vr8Fn6hjdU1@individual.net>, 3 > 2006Q4.usenet.michaelunger@spamgourmet.org wrote: K >> BTW: Does anyone happen to know if the 21xxx specs of the PCI-bridge and ( >> ethernet chips are available as well? > J > I've seen a number of them published in book form.  I don't know if they > were/are publicly available.  I    Most of that material is probably over at Smart Modular Technologies,  F if it is available anywhere.  The folks at Smart Modular Technologies I acquired the DIGITAL semiconductor organization, IIRC, and those are the  G DIGITAL folks that provided various custom parts and evaluation boards  E and such.  (The group got sold off, and some are at SMT and some are  H over at Fonix (DECtalk), and there may well be other parts elsewhere...)  G    I don't have the specs, but here are some pieces and parts and URLs  / that might help with your search for details...   # http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/dd/pci.html   D EC-QC0CA-TE DECchip 21140 PCI Fast Ethernet LAN controller hardware  reference manual.   7 EC-R24JA-TE DECchip 21154 PCI-to-PCI Bridge Data Sheet,   Z http://www.slac.stanford.edu/comp/unix/package/vxworks/doc/cpu/pci/ppc/mcp750/mcp750ai.pdf    G    Wait...  Found'm...  Well, found at least some of the documents for  
 this stuff...   1    ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/dec-docs/       Start at...  ;    ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/dec-docs/index.html    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.607 ************************