1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 06 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 610       Contents:8 Re: An increasingly-rare island of corporate inspiration! Re: Building Mozilla ? How hard ?  CIFS questions Re: OT: Hacking Democracy  PID of a batch job Re: PID of a batch job Re: PID of a batch jobA Re: Recommendations for a Windows client for accessing Decwindows A Re: Recommendations for a Windows client for accessing Decwindows A Re: Recommendations for a Windows client for accessing Decwindows  SFTP Server  Re: SFTP Server  Re: SFTP Server  RE: SFTP Server  Re: SFTP Server  Re: Spit Brook location  Re: Spit Brook location  Re: Spit Brook location  Re: Spit Brook location  Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 01:39:58 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> A Subject: Re: An increasingly-rare island of corporate inspiration J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-3C5D2F.01395806112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  G In article <GaqdnT4xhojsjdHYnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>, *  Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:   >>  F > I suspect not, nor anyone else.  *Already owning* VMS and having at C > least what support structure is left of it in place and ready to  H > revitalize is one thing, picking up the pieces and trying to put them D > back together in a totally different environment is quite another. >   I Judging by a few postings here about the build procedure used by OpenVMS  H Engineering and my own experience of inheriting (much smaller) projects G done by others, it can be a real nightmare reproducing the environment   for a correct build.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 22:16:16 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> * Subject: Re: Building Mozilla ? How hard ?J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-B2EB52.22161605112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  7 In article <13ba3$454c68f3$cef8887a$8492@TEKSAVVY.COM>, /  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   : > The VMS web site offers downloads of the Mozilla source. > @ > How difficult would it be to build this into the executables ? > M > I am really annoyed by the software's insistance at deleteing system files  K > in the main shared cswb directories.  The word "Secure" doesn't apply to  K > CSWB. If you happen to start mozilla while SYSPRV is enable, it fucks up  H > file protections in those directories because it recreates many files  > without proper protection. > K > Also, I would really want to remove the translation from the > character   > into some grey graphical bar.    I recall finding that annoying.   L > If there is a nice clean build procedure, then I might consider a venture L > to fix the above. (I assume that Mozilla is no longer supported/improved).L > But if it is a very involved process, then it is pointless to consider it D > and I should instead ficus on finding another news client for VMS.  G FWIW I ended up reverting to Netscape 3.03 as a news reader for VMS. I  C tried ANUNEWS as a command line alternative, but missed the visual  B representation of a thread that the Netscape news reader provides.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 20:49:39 -0500 - From: bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net>  Subject: CIFS questions * Message-ID: <454E94B3.2080602@comcast.net>   Hello,  D I am thinking of moving from Samba 2.2.8 to CIFS, but I've run into  three problems:   F Attempting to use smbmount from my Linux laptop to VMS produces error D messages.  I notice that the CIFS faq says that it will not support + smbmount.  Can anyone confirm/deny/clarify?   D I used Samba in a simple WORKGROUP configuration with my Windows/OS C X/Linux boxes at home (hobbyist) without issue.  Attempting to use  H WORKGROUP on CIFS (by appropriate lines in SMB.CONF) does not yield the H same results; I cannot access VMS shares from any of the aforementioned H clients.  Does CIFS support simple WORKGROUP configurations, or does it ) allow Windows domain configurations only?   B I used to use smbpasswd to create/enable users.  The "new" method G (PDBmumble?) *looks* as though it creates/enables users using the "-a"   switch.  Is this correct?   A TIA - sorry for such basic questions here, but I have no support    contract, since I am a hobbyist.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:56:05 -0500/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> " Subject: Re: OT: Hacking DemocracyI Message-ID: <8660a3a10611052056p3ee6e498p72a7bf0f8a5aa0ef@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_59195_22299510.1162788965458 = Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Content-Disposition: inline   @ On 11/5/06, Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote: > * > On 2006-11-05 14:24, "Neil Rieck" wrote: > 	 > > [...]  > > I > > For more information, go to http://video.google.com/ then search for: ( > > 1) hacking democracy (first 3 links) > > 2) Diebold > D > Another source of information is "Security Analysis of the DieboldC > AccuVote-TS Voting Machine" from Princeton University, Center for   > Information Technology Policy,6 > <http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/ts-paper.pdf>. > H > (It was mentioned in "Risks Digest 24.42", available in comp.risks and; > archived at <http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/24.42.html>.)  > G > | *Abstract*   This paper presents a fully independent security study G > | of a Diebold AccuVote-TS voting machine, including its hardware and G > | software. We obtained the machine from a private party. Analysis of G > | the machine, in light of real election procedures, shows that it is E > | vulnerable to extremely serious attacks. For example, an attacker F > | who gets physical access to a machine or its removable memory cardG > | for as little as one minute could install malicious code; malicious C > | code on a machine could steal votes undetectably, modifying all D > | records, logs, and counters to be consistent with the fraudulentG > | vote count it creates. An attacker could also create malicious code C > | that spreads automatically and silently from machine to machine I > | during normal election activities =97 a voting-machine virus. We have C > | constructed working demonstrations of these attacks in our lab. ? > | Mitigating these threats will require changes to the voting E > | machine's hardware and software and the adoption of more rigorous  > | election procedures. > 	 > Michael  >  > --= > Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 7 > My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.  >  > K I kind of like the idea of dipping index fingers in ink to eliminate voting  more than once.        :-)    WWWebb  ) ------=_Part_59195_22299510.1162788965458 - Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Content-Disposition: inline   L <br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 11/5/06, <b class=3D"gmail_send=L ername">Michael Unger</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.c=L om">spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D=L "gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0=& pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">L On 2006-11-05 14:24, &quot;Neil Rieck&quot; wrote:<br><br>&gt; [...]<br>&gt=L ;<br>&gt; For more information, go to <a href=3D"http://video.google.com/">=L http://video.google.com/</a> then search for:<br>&gt; 1) hacking democracy = (first 3 links) L <br>&gt; 2) Diebold<br><br>Another source of information is &quot;Security =L Analysis of the Diebold<br>AccuVote-TS Voting Machine&quot; from Princeton =L University, Center for<br>Information Technology Policy,<br>&lt;<a href=3D"=3 http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/ts-paper.pdf"> L http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/ts-paper.pdf</a>&gt;.<br><br>(It was m=L entioned in &quot;Risks Digest 24.42&quot;, available in comp.risks and<br>=L archived at &lt;<a href=3D"http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/24.42.html">http:=$ //catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/24.42.htmlL </a>&gt;.)<br><br>| *Abstract*&nbsp;&nbsp; This paper presents a fully inde=L pendent security study<br>| of a Diebold AccuVote-TS voting machine, includ=L ing its hardware and<br>| software. We obtained the machine from a private = party. Analysis ofL <br>| the machine, in light of real election procedures, shows that it is<b=L r>| vulnerable to extremely serious attacks. For example, an attacker<br>| =L who gets physical access to a machine or its removable memory card<br>| for=@  as little as one minute could install malicious code; maliciousL <br>| code on a machine could steal votes undetectably, modifying all<br>| =L records, logs, and counters to be consistent with the fraudulent<br>| vote =L count it creates. An attacker could also create malicious code<br>| that sp=8 reads automatically and silently from machine to machineL <br>| during normal election activities =97 a voting-machine virus. We have=L <br>| constructed working demonstrations of these attacks in our lab.<br>| =L Mitigating these threats will require changes to the voting<br>| machine's =7 hardware and software and the adoption of more rigorous L <br>| election procedures.<br><br>Michael<br><br>--<br>Real names enhance t=L he probability of getting real answers.<br>My e-mail account at DECUS Munic=L h is no longer valid.<br><br></blockquote></div><br>I kind of like the idea=D  of dipping index fingers in ink to eliminate voting more than once.F <br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :-)<br><br>WWWebb<br><br clear=3D"all"><br>  + ------=_Part_59195_22299510.1162788965458--    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2006 17:36:12 -0800  From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com Subject: PID of a batch job C Message-ID: <1162776972.640071.254080@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   F How can I get process ID from a batch job , using a lexical function ?> I need get PID from a specified batch job to issue a stop/id .   Regards.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 03:30:17 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: PID of a batch job ; Message-ID: <454e9e39.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote: H > How can I get process ID from a batch job , using a lexical function ?@ > I need get PID from a specified batch job to issue a stop/id .  E I'd rather DELETE/ENTRY the batch job, and let VMS do the dirty work.    cu,    Martin --  D One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:17:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: PID of a batch job , Message-ID: <454EB751.E25499E6@teksavvy.com>   apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote: H > How can I get process ID from a batch job , using a lexical function ?@ > I need get PID from a specified batch job to issue a stop/id .  G If you mean you need to get the PIF *of* a specified batch job to issue G a stop/id to kill that batch job, then there is no absolutely foolproof 
 way to do it.   D If your batch job is setup to help you, there there are ways to findE this. For instance, if the batch job garantees it will NOT change its G process name, then BATCH_XXX where XXX is the entry number would be its G process name. You can then scan through the processes with F$GETJPI and E when you get to the process with the right process name, you can then 1 get its PID (again with F$GETJPI) and STOP/ID it.   D Another way is to use SHOW DEVICES/FILES/NOSYS on a disk you know isF being used by the batch job. You can then scan the output for the fileF name and if you find a process that has that file name opened, you getF its PID on the same line and can then extract it and kill it. But thisE is not foolproof (if you have two jobs accessing the same file at the  same time for instance.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2006 13:42:17 -0800  From: sean@obanion.us J Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Windows client for accessing DecwindowsC Message-ID: <1162762937.046322.155600@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   G Well, the original poster was asking for Windows, but since we're on OS  X:    @ For terminal emulation, try iTerm (free under GNU General Public	 License). 0 0.8.1 has been doing a good job for EVE editing.    A For X windows, the free but optionaly installed X11 application ( B http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/x11/ ) is doing well with theD DECWindows VUE$MASTER (FileView).  But geting the ssh access workingD was not obvious.  Since I had a hard time finding all of this in any1 one place, I figured I better document it here...   B 1) Enable X11 TCP ports in System Preferences under Sharing in theF Firewall tab by adding a new entry with TCP Port Numbers 6000-6999.  I named my new entry "X Windows"  8 Or disable the OS X Firewall, but that's not recomended.  E 2) Enable the X11 TCP listen function on OS X  from the shell command  line using: 9 %defaults write com.apple.x11 nolisten_tcp -boolean false  % defaults read com.apple.x11 @     "NSWindow Frame x11_apps" = "439 500 486 332 0 0 1280 832 "; .  .  .      "nolisten_tcp" = 0;   D You should only need to do this once.  This can be done from the X11: xterm window that automatically opens when you launch X11.  C 3) Launch the X11 application, which by default is installed in the G Utilites folder, an xterm window will automatically open, and use xhost  to enable access: , % xhost +<IP address or DNS resolvable name>  E So far I've had to do this each time I launch X11, but I expect there  is a scriptable way...  / 4) Connect through ssh enabling X 11 tunneling: F %ssh -X <user name>@<IP address or DNS resovalbe name that matches the xhost already added>  A This strongly implies that ssh v2 is enabled on the VMS system in 	 question.   6 5) Under VMS, use the Set Display command as expected:E $ set disply/create/transport=tcpip/node=<IP address or DNS resovalbe * name that matches the xhost already added>  @ All the instructions that I found say the using ssh with -X willD automaticaly set the X window server (which in this case is the OS XG system: remember that X windows has the graphics display at the server) B envronment variable or something to that effect, but not on VMS...  F And I hear somebody asking: "If X is coming back through ssh, why open the TCP X windows ports?"  I don't know...    6) At this point I use:  $ mcr vue$masterD because FileView lets me create subprocesses for DCL windows and the$ DECWindows EVE editor, among others.     Sean   Larry Kilgallen wrote:\ > In article <eikss8$bh3$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> writes: > ) > > The ReflectionX suite is rather nice. 3 > > But it is a licensed product and will cost you.  > * > And sometimes the cost is well worth it. > C > I use Reflections on MacOS 9 and find it far superior to the much C > newer "free" (and widely hailed) Terminal program that comes with 
 > MacOS X.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 02:16:26 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> J Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Windows client for accessing DecwindowsJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-A56E5D.02162606112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  C In article <1162762937.046322.155600@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,   sean@obanion.us wrote:   I > Well, the original poster was asking for Windows, but since we're on OS  > X: >  > B > For terminal emulation, try iTerm (free under GNU General Public > License). 2 > 0.8.1 has been doing a good job for EVE editing.  G Now up to 0.9.2. However I'll warn you now that they have remapped the  H F1-4 keys to PF1-4, then (cough) slightly messed up for the rest of the I Fn keys. Probably good for laptop use, but not so good for full keyboard   use.  I The mouse pointer becomes a vertical bar such as you would see in a word  4 processor, but it's so faint that it's easy to lose.  = Inverse video problems still make you hit CTRL-W when in TPU.   I And before you say it, I should be sending my comments to the authors :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 02:22:22 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> J Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Windows client for accessing DecwindowsJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-D98C1B.02222206112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <9Tz2L3OvVs2M@eisner.encompasserve.org>, /  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   A > In article <eikss8$bh3$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "H Vlems"   > <hvlems@freenet.de> writes:  > ) > > The ReflectionX suite is rather nice. 3 > > But it is a licensed product and will cost you.  > * > And sometimes the cost is well worth it. > C > I use Reflections on MacOS 9 and find it far superior to the much C > newer "free" (and widely hailed) Terminal program that comes with 
 > MacOS X.  ( Sorry, but who "widely hailed" Terminal?   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:09:35 -0000- From: "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com>  Subject: SFTP ServerA Message-ID: <454e6f32$0$8743$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>   K Can anyone recomend an SFTP server product for win 2003 server that we can  & send data to using the VMS SSH client.  1 We are using OpenVMS 8.2 with TCPIP services 5.5.   E I've tried a few trial versions with limited success, I can get some  / versions to run interactivly but not in batch.     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:38:27 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: SFTP Server) Message-ID: <op.tikhadcvtte90l@hyrrokkin>   K On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:09:35 -0800, Neil Freeman <neil@holmelea.plus.com>    wrote:  J > Can anyone recomend an SFTP server product for win 2003 server that we   > can ( > send data to using the VMS SSH client. > 3 > We are using OpenVMS 8.2 with TCPIP services 5.5.  > F > I've tried a few trial versions with limited success, I can get some0 > versions to run interactivly but not in batch. >  >   F If you want to go the other way you could use PuTTY as the sftp client on Windows, which is what I do.    --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:05:16 -0000- From: "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com>  Subject: Re: SFTP ServerA Message-ID: <454e7c42$0$8739$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>   I The process is initiated from the VMS box and there needs to use the SSH  L Client in order to push data out the the Windows box running the SSH Server.    6 "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote in message # news:op.tikhadcvtte90l@hyrrokkin... L > On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:09:35 -0800, Neil Freeman <neil@holmelea.plus.com>  > wrote: > J >> Can anyone recomend an SFTP server product for win 2003 server that we  >> can) >> send data to using the VMS SSH client.  >>4 >> We are using OpenVMS 8.2 with TCPIP services 5.5. >>G >> I've tried a few trial versions with limited success, I can get some 1 >> versions to run interactivly but not in batch.  >> >> > H > If you want to go the other way you could use PuTTY as the sftp client! > on Windows, which is what I do.  >  > --  H > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:25:00 -0600+ From: "Forster, Michael" <mforster@mcw.edu>  Subject: RE: SFTP Server8 Message-ID: <048201c7013a$014e727a$47146a8d@mcwcorp.net>  # Have you evaluated filezila server?    -----Original Message------ From: "Neil Freeman" <neil@holmelea.plus.com> 3 To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>  Sent: 11/05/06 6:22 PM Subject: Re: SFTP Server  J The process is initiated from the VMS box and there needs to use the SSH =  F Client in order to push data out the the Windows box running the SSH = Server.     8 "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote in message=20# news:op.tikhadcvtte90l@hyrrokkin... 4 > On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:09:35 -0800, Neil Freeman = <neil@holmelea.plus.com>=20  > wrote: > H >> Can anyone recomend an SFTP server product for win 2003 server that = we=20  >> can) >> send data to using the VMS SSH client.  >>4 >> We are using OpenVMS 8.2 with TCPIP services 5.5. >>G >> I've tried a few trial versions with limited success, I can get some 1 >> versions to run interactivly but not in batch.  >> >> > H > If you want to go the other way you could use PuTTY as the sftp client! > on Windows, which is what I do.  >  > --=20 J > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/=20   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2006 17:10:29 -0800  From: davidc@montagar.com  Subject: Re: SFTP ServerC Message-ID: <1162775428.977518.146980@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Neil Freeman wrote: L > Can anyone recomend an SFTP server product for win 2003 server that we can( > send data to using the VMS SSH client. > 3 > We are using OpenVMS 8.2 with TCPIP services 5.5.  > F > I've tried a few trial versions with limited success, I can get some0 > versions to run interactivly but not in batch.  G Have you thought of using https and "post"-ing the file to a web server F on the windows box?  Might actually get you a little more flexibility,D since you can actually use the script on the windows box to kick off? any processing/validity checking for the file at the same time.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2006 19:52:34 GMT ) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at>   Subject: Re: Spit Brook location0 Message-ID: <eiliuh.8v.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>   <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:1 > "Steve Lionel" <steve.lionel@intel.com> writes:  >> prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  <snip>   >>> The Helipad still there? > 4 >> Yes, though there is no longer regular use of it. > A > Ah, found it now. I thought it was to the west of the building, & > outside the end of old RSX offices.  <snip>  K I also thought to remember the helipad further to the west than it appears  H on the Google pictures. Is it possible that it was moved to the current " position since the early nineties?   Hans.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2006 13:45:35 -0800 - From: "Steve Lionel" <steve.lionel@intel.com>   Subject: Re: Spit Brook locationB Message-ID: <1162763135.865842.79720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hans Bachner wrote:   L > I also thought to remember the helipad further to the west than it appearsI > on the Google pictures. Is it possible that it was moved to the current $ > position since the early nineties?  G Nope - it's right where it always was. The faint line through the trees @ from the east is a walkway, and the connector between building 1G (center) and building 3 (west) is, on the third floor, seating area for @ the cafeteria, and we can see the helipad from there. I used the. helicopter back in the days DEC was flying it.  B There has been no construction at all at the site since building 3 opened in 1986.    Steve    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 00:45:19 GMT & From: "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net>  Subject: Re: Spit Brook location( Message-ID: <zAv3h.461$Lt4.321@trnddc08>  I Anyone remember the old heli-pond? one of the buildings up there was the  * site of an auto-gyro landing...in the pond    7 "Hans Bachner" <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> wrote in message  * news:eiliuh.8v.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at...  > <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:2 >> "Steve Lionel" <steve.lionel@intel.com> writes:  >>> prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > <snip> >>>> The Helipad still there?  >>5 >>> Yes, though there is no longer regular use of it.  >>B >> Ah, found it now. I thought it was to the west of the building,& >> outside the end of old RSX offices. > <snip> > L > I also thought to remember the helipad further to the west than it appearsI > on the Google pictures. Is it possible that it was moved to the current $ > position since the early nineties? >  > Hans.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2006 17:18:20 -0800 & From: "Mister Q" <pquodling@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Spit Brook locationC Message-ID: <1162775900.779758.153540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hal Kuff wrote: J > Anyone remember the old heli-pond? one of the buildings up there was the, > site of an auto-gyro landing...in the pond >     G I think that you are thinking of the old Merrimack MKO facility. It had $ a helicopter land in it's Pond once.  E I also seem to recall that Basingstoke (blazingSmoke) in the UK, once D had a VAX being manhandled down the stairs, go through a plate glass" window and into the pond there...    q    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:11:58 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ' Subject: Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-E461BE.23115805112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  ( In article <eiij69$461$1@pcls6.std.com>,9  moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:   5 > Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:  > K > >Why then does my system constantly try to process usernames that do not  
 > >exist? O > >And why would anyone make up a username like 3ab8dd.5003023@my-dom-main.???   > >(rhetorical)  > M > I know the question is rhetorical, but I'll answer anyway.  First reason is K > deliberately trying to send to a nonexistent address to see if the system K > accepts such addresses.  That may indicate a spamtrap to them.  Second is M > spammer's newsgroup email address harvesting software is often broken.  It  G > thinks newsgroups message IDs are email addresses since they have the G > format something@example.com.  Check Google Groups, I bet a newsgroup > > posting with message ID "3ab8dd.5003023@my-dom-main" exists.  I Thanks for that explanation. I've seen a lot of these and often wondered   why. From your post's headers:  ( Message-ID: <eiij69$461$1@pcls6.std.com>  E No period in there, but from a brief glance at other headers, that's  B because you don't have a period before the @in your From address.  G While we are on the subject, a message to Hobbyists using Multinet for  I the first time. Please read the mail section of the manual carefully, as  @ the spammers will be in there using your system as a relay in a % surprisingly short space of time. :-(    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 02:49:47 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ' Subject: Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config ( Message-ID: <eim7sb$jik$1@pcls4.std.com>  1 Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:   ) >In article <eiij69$461$1@pcls6.std.com>, : > moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:  P >> >And why would anyone make up a username like 3ab8dd.5003023@my-dom-main.???  >> >(rhetorical) >>  N >> I know the question is rhetorical, but I'll answer anyway.  First reason isL >> deliberately trying to send to a nonexistent address to see if the systemL >> accepts such addresses.  That may indicate a spamtrap to them.  Second isN >> spammer's newsgroup email address harvesting software is often broken.  It H >> thinks newsgroups message IDs are email addresses since they have theH >> format something@example.com.  Check Google Groups, I bet a newsgroup? >> posting with message ID "3ab8dd.5003023@my-dom-main" exists.   J >Thanks for that explanation. I've seen a lot of these and often wondered  >why. From your post's headers:   ) >Message-ID: <eiij69$461$1@pcls6.std.com>   F >No period in there, but from a brief glance at other headers, that's C >because you don't have a period before the @in your From address.   D I wouldn't make too much over no period there.  Usenet messages are A supposed to have a unique message ID.  By making the host name as G part of the message ID (after the @) it is impossible for two different D hosts to come up with the same message ID, and each host only has toH make the part before the @ unique on that system.  Each piece of usenet E software has a different method of doing that, but normally involves  I encoding the date and time somehow.  Anyway, the @ with a valid host name F after it often comes up with strings that look like email addresses toF stupid newsgroup harvesting spambots.  And just because a period isn'tC allowed in a VMS username doesn't mean other OS's don't allow that.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:41:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: TCPIP Services SPAM config + Message-ID: <454EBCF0.2637F97@teksavvy.com>    Michael Moroney wrote:H > stupid newsgroup harvesting spambots.  And just because a period isn'tE > allowed in a VMS username doesn't mean other OS's don't allow that.     ' MAIL> SET FORWARD Sir.HOFF /USER="HOFF"   E Remember that mail delivery is more than SYSUAF.DAT, it is also about H VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA which can have aliases that contain dots (forwarded to real users)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 00:52:51 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-B1A3BD.00525106112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  8 In article <737c1$454cec1c$cef8887a$28724@TEKSAVVY.COM>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Neil Rieck wrote:  > N > > Right now OpenVMS doesn't have any near-term date limitations so only the P > > time (zone) thing needs to be fixed in order to make it as good as UNIX. So  > > what are our options?  > J > As more and more of the software on VMS  has origins in Unix, I wouldn'tH > brag about VMS being immune from the Unix time format limitation in a  > couple of decades. > M > I think a fair amount of software now converts time (either implicitely by  9 > using C rtl routines or explicitely) to/from Unix time.   I That hit in 1997. Motif, if my memory serves correctly. The Unix time in  C days went to 10,000, and some piece of code back and forth between  * binary and text only catered for 4 digits.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 01:07:38 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-924560.01073806112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  : In article <3v6dnS3OYfDBg9HYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,5  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:   ; > Unix is going to have severe problems later this century  . > unless some fairly drastic changes are made.  E Be careful there. A few years ago I cited a chunk out of the VMS FAQ  F about signed vs unsigned dates to a bunch of Unix folks. They told me ? that the problem was already fixed in serious versions of Unix.   F It was embarrassing, especially when I realised I was quoting from an  out of date VMS FAQ.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 01:17:58 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-8152AE.01175806112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <360wQ8YnUo4F@eisner.encompasserve.org>, /  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   C > Your economic analysis seems flawed since the current crop of VMS C > customers do not seem to be flocking to the product that was made @ > available to do this for Y2K testing.  Perhaps it is no longerB > offered by the vendor, but I can assure you it would be if there > were sufficient demand.   2 The vendor went out of business several years ago.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:33:10 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !5 Message-ID: <slrnekt0m6.5bi.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   { In article <paul.sture.nospam-924560.01073806112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote: < > In article <3v6dnS3OYfDBg9HYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,7 >  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:  > < >> Unix is going to have severe problems later this century / >> unless some fairly drastic changes are made.  > G > Be careful there. A few years ago I cited a chunk out of the VMS FAQ  H > about signed vs unsigned dates to a bunch of Unix folks. They told me A > that the problem was already fixed in serious versions of Unix.   H For these not interested in UNIX-ish matters, do the equivalent of 'n u' now. :-) With that said...  3 Out of sheer curiosity, which UNIX OSes were these?   @ (I ask only because a real fix is actually new to me, and I also@ administer several different major UNIX or UNIX-like platforms.)   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 03:07:38 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-B74030.03073806112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  5 In article <slrnekt0m6.5bi.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, '  Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote:   M > In article <paul.sture.nospam-924560.01073806112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,  2 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:> > > In article <3v6dnS3OYfDBg9HYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,9 > >  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:  > > > > >> Unix is going to have severe problems later this century 1 > >> unless some fairly drastic changes are made.  > > I > > Be careful there. A few years ago I cited a chunk out of the VMS FAQ  J > > about signed vs unsigned dates to a bunch of Unix folks. They told me C > > that the problem was already fixed in serious versions of Unix.  > J > For these not interested in UNIX-ish matters, do the equivalent of 'n u' > now. :-) With that said... > 5 > Out of sheer curiosity, which UNIX OSes were these?  > B > (I ask only because a real fix is actually new to me, and I alsoB > administer several different major UNIX or UNIX-like platforms.) >   H I did say it was a few years ago, and I can't remember which flavour of I Unix was involved, but I was heavily criticised at the time. Fortunately  I the criticism came in a humorous way, but on consulting the more current  C version of the VMS FAQ, the bit I had quoted wasn't there any more.   I So onto the obvious question here. Does that problem still exist in your  H flavour of Unix? The equally obvious follow up question has to be "What  do the applications do?"   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.610 ************************