1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 12 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 623       Contents: 2007 US time changes RE: 2007 US time changes Re: 2007 US time changes Re: 2007 US time changes. Re: Easiest / Cheapest way to get into OpenVMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:05:51 -0800) From: "DaveG" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>  Subject: 2007 US time changes B Message-ID: <1163315151.832279.43310@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  G I applied the latest patches ( TZ v2 and ACRTL v3) required for the new E US time change rules starting in 2007 on a 7.3-2 system this weekend.  No DTSS on this system btw.   D Since we had our change to standard time back at the end of October,D the next change will be under the new 2007 rules; March and November rather than April and October.  6 Looking at the sys$time* logicals today (12-Nov-2006):    &   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" = "0"(   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-21600"   "SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" = "CST" 7   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "CST6CDT5,M4.1.0/02,M10.5.0/02"   G Looks like April and October, so I ran UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM thinking that E might change the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical to the new 2007 rules.  It  did not.  B Yes I read the FAQ and release notes for the patches and I'm a bit/ confused on when the new rules will be applied.   B What do I need to do to make the change to the new rules for 2007?   Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:28:43 +1100 6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>! Subject: RE: 2007 US time changes X Message-ID: <0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBEB@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7062C.531A2E3C . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable          -----Original Message-----. From: DaveG [mailto:david.gudewicz@abbott.com] Sent: Sun 11/12/2006 6:05 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: 2007 US time changes  =20 G I applied the latest patches ( TZ v2 and ACRTL v3) required for the new E US time change rules starting in 2007 on a 7.3-2 system this weekend.  No DTSS on this system btw.   D Since we had our change to standard time back at the end of October,D the next change will be under the new 2007 rules; March and November rather than April and October.  6 Looking at the sys$time* logicals today (12-Nov-2006):    (   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" =3D "0"*   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" =3D "-21600"   "SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" =3D "CST" 9   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" =3D "CST6CDT5,M4.1.0/02,M10.5.0/02"   G Looks like April and October, so I ran UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM thinking that E might change the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical to the new 2007 rules.  It  did not.  B Yes I read the FAQ and release notes for the patches and I'm a bit/ confused on when the new rules will be applied.   B What do I need to do to make the change to the new rules for 2007?   Dave...   
 **********   Move to another country :-)    Regards, Paddy      G *********************************************************************** ; Please consider the environment before printing this email.   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20 C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7062C.531A2E3C - Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> L <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7233.69">' <TITLE>RE: 2007 US time changes</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->  <BR> <BR> <BR>  0 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR>L From: DaveG [<A HREF=3D"mailto:david.gudewicz@abbott.com">mailto:david.gude= wicz@abbott.com</A>]<BR>  Sent: Sun 11/12/2006 6:05 PM<BR> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR> ! Subject: 2007 US time changes<BR>  <BR>K I applied the latest patches ( TZ v2 and ACRTL v3) required for the new<BR> I US time change rules starting in 2007 on a 7.3-2 system this weekend.<BR>  No DTSS on this system btw.<BR>  <BR>H Since we had our change to standard time back at the end of October,<BR>H the next change will be under the new 2007 rules; March and November<BR>" rather than April and October.<BR> <BR>: Looking at the sys$time* logicals today (12-Nov-2006):<BR> <BR> <BR>E &nbsp; &quot;SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING&quot; =3D &quot;0&quot;<BR> G &nbsp; &quot;SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL&quot; =3D &quot;-21600&quot;<BR> < &nbsp; &quot;SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME&quot; =3D &quot;CST&quot;<BR>L &nbsp; &quot;SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE&quot; =3D &quot;CST6CDT5,M4.1.0/02,M10.5.0/0= 2&quot;<BR>  <BR>K Looks like April and October, so I ran UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM thinking that<BR> L might change the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical to the new 2007 rules.&nbsp; It<= BR>  did not.<BR> <BR>F Yes I read the FAQ and release notes for the patches and I'm a bit<BR>3 confused on when the new rules will be applied.<BR>  <BR>F What do I need to do to make the change to the new rules for 2007?<BR> <BR> Dave...<BR>  <BR> **********<BR> <BR> Move to another country :-)<BR>  <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> <BR> </FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR> ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR> E immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR> A individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR> G authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7062C.531A2E3C--    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:44:05 -0800) From: "DaveG" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> ! Subject: Re: 2007 US time changes C Message-ID: <1163317445.136983.253930@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    John Santos wrote: > DaveG wrote:K > > I applied the latest patches ( TZ v2 and ACRTL v3) required for the new I > > US time change rules starting in 2007 on a 7.3-2 system this weekend.  > > No DTSS on this system btw.  > > H > > Since we had our change to standard time back at the end of October,H > > the next change will be under the new 2007 rules; March and November" > > rather than April and October. > > : > > Looking at the sys$time* logicals today (12-Nov-2006): > >  > > * > >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" = "0", > >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-21600"! > >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" = "CST" ; > >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "CST6CDT5,M4.1.0/02,M10.5.0/02"  > > K > > Looks like April and October, so I ran UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM thinking that I > > might change the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical to the new 2007 rules.  It  > > did not. > > F > > Yes I read the FAQ and release notes for the patches and I'm a bit3 > > confused on when the new rules will be applied.  > > F > > What do I need to do to make the change to the new rules for 2007? > >  > > Dave...  > >  > N > I did some testing back in September, and it all seemed to work okay.  IIRC,H > some time after the system date changes to 2007, the rules will changeF > to the new ones.  You either have to do the UTC$TIME_SETUP or reboot. > after the system clock rolls into next year.  E Perhaps this information should be inlcuded in the release notes/FAQ.   G > I set the clock to just before the scheduled time changes for the old B > and new dates for this year and next year, in order, and let theJ > clock roll past.  It sprang forward and fell back as it should or didn'tK > change as it should in all instances.  However, to see the correct values H > in the SYS$TIMEZONE* logical names, I needed to execute UTC$TIME_SETUP > after the change.  > L > The system was running VMS V7.3-2 with TCPware V5.7-2 (disabled NTP beforeL > starting the test), UPDATE-V0700, ACRTL-V0300, TZ-V0200 patches installed,# > auto_dlight_sav=1, dtss disabled.  >  > The dates I tested were:6 >          29Oct06 old fall back date, still in effectA >          05Nov06 new fall back date, shouldn't happen this year H >          11Mar07 New spring forward date, system should spring forwardA >          01Apr07 old spring forward date, nothing should happen < >          28Oct07 old fall back date, nothing should happen7 >          04Nov07 new fall back date, should fall back  > K > IIRC, I also let it roll through 2AM the second time (on fall back dates) ; > and midnight new year's eve, to watch for anything funny.  > 5 > All changes (and non-changes) happened as expected.  > E > I would have just trusted it myself, but one of my customers wanted  > it all tested.  :-)  >  > --
 > John Santos  > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539   Thanks for the update.   Dave...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:34:40 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>! Subject: Re: 2007 US time changes ) Message-ID: <k8A5h.1243$tb2.604@trnddc08>    DaveG wrote:I > I applied the latest patches ( TZ v2 and ACRTL v3) required for the new G > US time change rules starting in 2007 on a 7.3-2 system this weekend.  > No DTSS on this system btw.  > F > Since we had our change to standard time back at the end of October,F > the next change will be under the new 2007 rules; March and November  > rather than April and October. > 8 > Looking at the sys$time* logicals today (12-Nov-2006): >  > ( >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" = "0"* >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-21600" >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" = "CST" 9 >   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "CST6CDT5,M4.1.0/02,M10.5.0/02"  > I > Looks like April and October, so I ran UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM thinking that G > might change the SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical to the new 2007 rules.  It 
 > did not. > D > Yes I read the FAQ and release notes for the patches and I'm a bit1 > confused on when the new rules will be applied.  > D > What do I need to do to make the change to the new rules for 2007? > 	 > Dave...  >   L I did some testing back in September, and it all seemed to work okay.  IIRC,F some time after the system date changes to 2007, the rules will changeD to the new ones.  You either have to do the UTC$TIME_SETUP or reboot, after the system clock rolls into next year.  E I set the clock to just before the scheduled time changes for the old @ and new dates for this year and next year, in order, and let theH clock roll past.  It sprang forward and fell back as it should or didn'tI change as it should in all instances.  However, to see the correct values F in the SYS$TIMEZONE* logical names, I needed to execute UTC$TIME_SETUP after the change.   J The system was running VMS V7.3-2 with TCPware V5.7-2 (disabled NTP beforeJ starting the test), UPDATE-V0700, ACRTL-V0300, TZ-V0200 patches installed,! auto_dlight_sav=1, dtss disabled.    The dates I tested were:4          29Oct06 old fall back date, still in effect?          05Nov06 new fall back date, shouldn't happen this year F          11Mar07 New spring forward date, system should spring forward?          01Apr07 old spring forward date, nothing should happen :          28Oct07 old fall back date, nothing should happen5          04Nov07 new fall back date, should fall back   I IIRC, I also let it roll through 2AM the second time (on fall back dates) 9 and midnight new year's eve, to watch for anything funny.   3 All changes (and non-changes) happened as expected.   C I would have just trusted it myself, but one of my customers wanted  it all tested.  :-)    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Nov 2006 01:13:30 -0800 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net7 Subject: Re: Easiest / Cheapest way to get into OpenVMS B Message-ID: <1163322810.218679.49560@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  B Cheap at 750.00 for a DS10 to run VMS. I hate to see what you callE expensive and for what you call  a hobbyist system. Cheap to me would E be a few hundred dollars. Not almost a thousand dollars. For what its F worth he could buy a Dell/HP/Gateway with a AMD/P4 and put a sim on it and come out cheaper!!!! phillip   - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: 
 > Try here' > http://www.islandco.com/hobbyist.html  > G > They're cheap, powerful and we back them with a 12 months same as new 
 > warranty > Can't beat that !  >  > David  >  > 1 > "Mike" <mikegraffam@yahoo.com> wrote in message ? > news:1163271707.958092.100090@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > > Hello everyone,  > > J > > What is the easiest / cheapest way to start playing with OpenVMS? I'veI > > had a simply glorious 15-year run with UNIX-like systems now, and can H > > say very happily, that I've never run Windows (ok, I dual booted DOS2 > > and Minix on a 286, but that doesn't count :). > > I > > But I've always been curious about VMS, and my purposes at this point F > > are completely for learning. I don't have any specific applicationK > > right now, and probably wont: at present, I maintain no desktop systems  > > of my own. > > I > > I had a little Alpha-based DEC Multia that I ran Linux on a number of K > > years ago, before it gave up the ghost. I imagine that putting together K > > another Alpha is the best choice? What would the minimum system be? I'm K > > OK with a text-only interface; but playing with X on VMS would probably  > > be neat too. > > J > > Also; what about emulator solutions in the short term? I travel a lot,G > > and my primary machine is a laptop (Linux/x86-64). It would be very K > > useful for me to have an emulated VMS. I understand that SIMH will boot @ > > OpenVMS w/ TCP/IP support. Has anyone here done this? Is itsI > > performance suitable for learning (navigating the system by text, and   > > compiling C code, to start). > > J > > Finally: what about manuals or books? A system command reference wouldG > > be quite helpful. Bear in mind, I don't even know the VMS analog to  > > 'ls'. :) > > K > > Any VMS Elmers that can offer some advice would be greatly appreciated.  > >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.623 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  