1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 16 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 631       Contents:. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good !. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! Re: DS25 with 1000BaseT NIC 4 Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance?4 Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance?4 Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance?4 Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance?4 Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance? IDE drive in RX2600 under VMS ! Re: IDE drive in RX2600 under VMS  Re: Most "classic" VMS version) Mozilla + Java sanity check (speed tests) - Re: Mozilla + Java sanity check (speed tests) - Re: Mozilla + Java sanity check (speed tests) - Re: Mozilla + Java sanity check (speed tests) 1 Re: ODS-5 volume restrictions from a VAX 7.3 node   Pathworks client on x64 windows.$ Re: Pathworks client on x64 windows.+ Re: Programatically determining TCPIP stack  Updated VMS Information  Re: VMS Gaming History?  Re: VMS Gaming History? = Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system? = Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?  Re: Who called me?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:36:56 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-610C62.12365616112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  8 In article <94c2c$455bd28c$cef8887a$23221@TEKSAVVY.COM>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   % > http://www.sans.org/top20/?ref=1814  > N > The SANS institute has made a list of the most vulnerable Operating Systems D > and applications. And guess what ? VMS isn't part of that list :-) >   I But the above is a list of the top 20 "Internet Security Attack Targets".    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:46:05 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! 9 Message-ID: <qvGdnQTI7LqtL8HYnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Michael D. Ober wrote:" > Unfortunately, Windows isn't as O > secure as VMS and when MS tries to do the right thing security-wise in Vista  L > and Longhorn, the security vendors cry foul (or should that be fowl as in  > squawking like chickens?).  D Going off topic a bit, but I'm compelled to ask, is Microsoft doing F something good, and are the third party security vendors justified in  their criticism?  I There's nothing to say that third party security vendors have a right to  H a reason to exist.  (Sorry Larry.)  They cropped up to fill a need.  If A that need goes away, they won't like it, but that's just too bad.   ? I have no idea what the issues are.  Knowing Microsoft, I'd be  H prejudiced toward thinking they aren't being fair.  But not knowing the  issues I cannot say that.   H Can you shed some light on the conflict between Microsoft and the third  party security vendors?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:02:09 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>$ Subject: Re: DS25 with 1000BaseT NIC, Message-ID: <ejhcv2$5n2$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  7 "stinehelferw" <stinehelferw@cox.net> wrote in message  ( news:f0R6h.4377$tD2.3050@newsfe13.lga...  X > Using UCX "sh inter/full I only see the 100 with IP/Netmask, etc configured correctly  > plus a loopback at 127.0.0.1  G So, you haven't configured the second IP interface yet? The card itself ? configures and goes online? If so, try running TCPIP$CONFIG and 1 select core/interfaces see if you can set it up.     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:06:48 -0500 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>= Subject: Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance? , Message-ID: <455b8168$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H the noncommercial-unix program got canceled. How/why I don't know I just update the tru64 unix web site.   J But if you go and fill out the feedback form on the tru64unix site and ask you should get an answer.    -warren   @ "Michael Unger" <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message) news:4s13faFt951gU1@mid.individual.net... + > On 2006-11-15 18:10, "Bob Koehler" wrote:  > H > >    Unless HP has canceled it, there is a hobbyist program for Tru64.H > >    Last time I looked, it had a $99 US fee whether you need media or > >    not.  >  > The last URL known to me is I > <http://h30097.www3.hp.com/noncommercial-unix/> but that gets currently E > immediately redirected to <http://h30097.www3.hp.com/index.html> -- J > "hobbyist" or "non-commercial" use isn't mentioned at all. So apparently% > this program has been cancelled ...  > 	 > Michael  >  > --  = > Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 7 > My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:34:21 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk= Subject: Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance? , Message-ID: <ejherd$63q$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  [ In article <455b8168$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: I >the noncommercial-unix program got canceled. How/why I don't know I just   >update the tru64 unix web site. >   K Were the Tru64 noncommercial licenses 1 year licenses like the VMS hobbyist 	 licenses. M ie If someone had a hobbyist TRU64 system would they no longer be able to use  TRU64.  N I'm just worried what would happen if HP cancelled the VMS hobbyist program atJ some point in the future would all those hobbyist Alphas and Vaxes become  expensive paperweights  ?     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    K >But if you go and fill out the feedback form on the tru64unix site and ask  >you should get an answer. >  >-warren > A >"Michael Unger" <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message * >news:4s13faFt951gU1@mid.individual.net..., >> On 2006-11-15 18:10, "Bob Koehler" wrote: >>I >> >    Unless HP has canceled it, there is a hobbyist program for Tru64. I >> >    Last time I looked, it had a $99 US fee whether you need media or  >> >    not. >> >> The last URL known to me isJ >> <http://h30097.www3.hp.com/noncommercial-unix/> but that gets currentlyF >> immediately redirected to <http://h30097.www3.hp.com/index.html> --K >> "hobbyist" or "non-commercial" use isn't mentioned at all. So apparently & >> this program has been cancelled ... >>
 >> Michael >> >> -- > >> Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers.8 >> My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:03:19 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> = Subject: Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-B33FCE.13031916112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  F In article <ejherd$63q$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  wrote:  ? > In article <455b8168$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander"    > <warren.sander@hp.com> writes:K > >the noncommercial-unix program got canceled. How/why I don't know I just " > >update the tru64 unix web site. > >  > M > Were the Tru64 noncommercial licenses 1 year licenses like the VMS hobbyist  > licenses. O > ie If someone had a hobbyist TRU64 system would they no longer be able to use  > TRU64.  D ISTR that Tru64, in a most un-VMS like fashion, dropped support for I older hardware configurations at some point (5-ish years ago?). That may  6 have limited the usefulness of its Hobbyist programme.   N > I'm just worried what would happen if HP cancelled the VMS hobbyist program O > at some point in the future would all those hobbyist Alphas and Vaxes become   > expensive paperweights  ?  >   3 I think that would be a major mistake on HP's part.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:24:03 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)= Subject: Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance? 2 Message-ID: <06111610240382_2020028F@antinode.org>   From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  M > Were the Tru64 noncommercial licenses 1 year licenses like the VMS hobbyist  > licenses.   =    No, the only restriction seems to be "Activity Table Code: @ CONSTANT=100".  The products are OSF-BASE, OSF-USR, OSF-SVR, andG OSF-DEV.  You did get _some_ things for your $100 ($50 for an upgrade), 2 but access to the C++ compiler was not one of them  P > I'm just worried what would happen if HP cancelled the VMS hobbyist program atL > some point in the future would all those hobbyist Alphas and Vaxes become  > expensive paperweights  ?   8    It would definitely cut into my freeware work on VMS.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2006 09:46:03 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> = Subject: Re: Galaxy and Tru64 Hobbyist licenses - any chance? C Message-ID: <1163699163.266663.150570@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   P > I'm just worried what would happen if HP cancelled the VMS hobbyist program atK > some point in the future would all those hobbyist Alphas and Vaxes become  > expensive paperweights  ?  >   G While it doesn't keep me up nights, I do think about that occasionally. D  I have a heavy investment in DEC/Compaq/HP VMS related gear and I'dE really, really, REALLY hate to have to run Linux on it.  I'd probably + shoot it first and put it out of my misery.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:43:49 -0800 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> & Subject: IDE drive in RX2600 under VMSH Message-ID: <3f119ada0611160943w31885e5o2d8129b362955c47@mail.gmail.com>  @ I've got an RX2600 I picked up at an IDF a while back. Given theF availability (finally, yay!) of hobbyist licenses, I'm about to get it off the ground again.   D I'm sure it's got an acceptable IDE controller in it, to run the DVDA drive. I was wondering, then, if adding an IDE hard drive (Yes, I ; know- but it's a hobbyist box) could be done? Anyone tried?    --   Dean Woodward    =o&o  dean.woodward@gmail.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:00:20 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>* Subject: Re: IDE drive in RX2600 under VMS) Message-ID: <eji8vm$2hsp$1@pyrite.mv.net>    DeanW wrote:B > I've got an RX2600 I picked up at an IDF a while back. Given theH > availability (finally, yay!) of hobbyist licenses, I'm about to get it > off the ground again.  > F > I'm sure it's got an acceptable IDE controller in it, to run the DVDC > drive. I was wondering, then, if adding an IDE hard drive (Yes, I = > know- but it's a hobbyist box) could be done? Anyone tried?   I    Most rx2600 systems already contain a slim-line IDE ATAPI CD/DVD, and  5 there is an embedded IDE controller for this purpose.   I    I haven't seen one that contains an internal IDE ATA disk device, and  I you'd very likely have to do a little mechanical engineering to get that  + connected and mounted within the enclosure.   G    The internal drive bays are all SCSI, and there's a SCSI controller  * in most every rx2600 series box I've seen.  F    The other alternative is one of those SCSI-ATA adapters, and those E are available from various sources.  There are various adapters that  C have been discussed here to this end, and at least some folks have   reported success.   G    There are probably PCI IDE controllers that will work here, but the  E one I tried a while back crashed the box; DQDRIVER did not "like" it.   I    As for whether or not any such approach might work here, well, you're  G going to get to find that out for yourself.  Of these, the SCSI-ATA is  B probably the most likely to work for the least effort.  I'd guess.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:29:40 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com ' Subject: Re: Most "classic" VMS version 0 Message-ID: <87zmas39ff.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  : Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org> writes:  @ >    The typical distro I've seen on VAX-11/730 was either TU58,  # I think my brain just fried itself!   E AIR, RL02s was a standardish kit for a 730, and a couple of RL02s and  several magtapes for 8600s.   B I'm trying to think if I ever saw an RX01 kit. I think I was saved from that horror!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:12:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Mozilla + Java sanity check (speed tests)7 Message-ID: <4aff$455c395b$cef8887a$24740@TEKSAVVY.COM>   K There are many sites around the world which provide the ability to measure  J one,s internet connectivity speed. Most are Java based. And it seems that / there is one Java program that is used by many.   L On http://www.dslreports.com/tools one can use the Speed Test or the Tweaks H . Both start a JAVA application which measure your internet connection. H (speed is for raw speed, and the tweaks looks /recommends certain TCPIP % settings such as receive window etc).   D On Alpha VMS 8.3, with the latest Mozilla (1.7.13)  and Latest JAVA H (1.5.0), the JAVA logo appears, indicating that JAVA is starting, but I L then get a "Loading Java Applet failed" or "noinited" with a red "X" at the 7 top left of the window where the JAVA applet would run.   E In the tweaks test, even my old mac is able to run it. But the brand    spanking new VMS software can't.  	 Going to: / http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml   E It properly loads JAVA and runs Sun's test and reveals the following: J --------------------------------------------------------------------------H You are using an older version of Java technology. You can download the  latest version from Java.com   Your Java configuration is:   	Vendor: Hewlett Packard Company 	Version: 1.5.0  	Operating System: OpenVMS 	OS version: V8.3 J --------------------------------------------------------------------------% And I get the dancing Duke animation.   K I have been able to run some JAVA apps from sites such as NASA.  So I know  8 that JAVA is installed and can be started on my machine.    I Am I unable to execute many JAVA apps within Mozilla because I live in a  L different universe, or is it to be expected that JAVA is no longer platform H independant and JAVA apps no longer work on any machine that runs JAVA ?  K (My old mac can run the Tweaks test which VMS can't, but it cannot run the  J java.com testvm.xml test which VMS can - neither can run the speed tests).  C Looks to me like JAVA is becoming like JAVASCRIPT. Gaining lots of  K proprietary extensions which only run on Windows. Is that really the case ?   " ----------------------------------    I Also, Mozilla supposedly has a "Java Console". Activated either from the  L Tools->Web Development menu, or when you get that red X, if you right click I on it, you have the option to open the JAVA console. In my case however,  H nothing happens. Is that normal for VMS ? Is is it because I exist in a C dimension where Java consoles have been eradicated from existence ?           ( ----------------------------------------  9 There are times when Mozilla becomes unresponsive, with : , **************** SERVER ERROR **************" SecureCallStaticMethod: bad method, **************** ************ **************  , **************** SERVER ERROR **************" SecureCallStaticMethod: bad method, **************** ************ **************     Interrupt    $ exitL INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Pipe closed during read? State may be corrupt  System error?:: invalid argument      D being outputted repeatedly on the SYS$OUTPUT by the JAVA subprocess.  L Only a control-Y can fix it. (the mozilla window doesn't even repaint since K it is apparently in a hard wait for some data from the java subprocess and  / as a result, doesn't go into its getevent loop.   - ---------------------------------------------   > I am not complaining about speed/performance here. Just about  compatibility/stuff working.  J I was hoping that by getting what appears to be fairly modern software, I J would be pretty compatible with all the fluff/games that are out there on I the net. (except for flash , of course). Is this the case of my universe   not being tuned properly ?  F Or is this software just not ready for prime time and it is perfectly @ normal for many web sites' JAVA apps to not function properly  ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:21:15 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Mozilla + Java sanity check (speed tests)8 Message-ID: <e7d1b$455c3b6e$cef8887a$25268@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Another thing...  D And JAVA first starts, the following is outputted to the SYS$OUTPUT: $ @sys$common:[cswb]mozilla 8 GENERIC_POLL: unknown condition, errno=4 vaxc$errno=2096    4 exit 2096 says: %SYSTEM-W-CANCEL, operation canceled  ) Is this normal, happening with everyone ?       K Out of curiosity, since JAVA was never ported to VAX, and since VAXC never  J existed on Alpha, how come a "vaxc" error number would be displayed on an  Alpha ? :-) :-)   I Perhaps Hoff will reveal that Digital had Java running of VAX-VMS in the  G 1980s, written in VAX-C, but when it decided to not productize it, the  D employees left and were hired by SUN whi then quickly seized on the - potential and produced JAVA ? :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2006 08:04:29 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: Mozilla + Java sanity check (speed tests)3 Message-ID: <0FyHlO69N5sh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <e7d1b$455c3b6e$cef8887a$25268@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Another thing... > F > And JAVA first starts, the following is outputted to the SYS$OUTPUT: > $ @sys$common:[cswb]mozilla : > GENERIC_POLL: unknown condition, errno=4 vaxc$errno=2096 >  > 6 > exit 2096 says: %SYSTEM-W-CANCEL, operation canceled > + > Is this normal, happening with everyone ?       Nope.  Mine runs fine.   M > Out of curiosity, since JAVA was never ported to VAX, and since VAXC never  L > existed on Alpha, how come a "vaxc" error number would be displayed on an  > Alpha ? :-) :-)   =    Unfortunately vaxc$errno was the variable name choosen for ?    interfacing VMS style error codes with C back in VAX C days. >    For source compatability this was not changed for DEC C on     any VMS platform.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2006 16:23:42 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: Mozilla + Java sanity check (speed tests), Message-ID: <455c908e$1@news.langstoeger.at>  h In article <e7d1b$455c3b6e$cef8887a$25268@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >Another thing...  > E >And JAVA first starts, the following is outputted to the SYS$OUTPUT:  >$ @sys$common:[cswb]mozilla9 >GENERIC_POLL: unknown condition, errno=4 vaxc$errno=2096  >  > 5 >exit 2096 says: %SYSTEM-W-CANCEL, operation canceled  > * >Is this normal, happening with everyone ?  H Yes and no. It is old/wellknown and even mentioned in the release notes.8 I admit, I haven't seen it for a long time now (strange)    / From the CSWB (and even MOZILLA) release notes:   <     GENERIC_POLL: unknown condition, errno=4 vaxc$errno=2096  >     Q: From time to time I see the GENERIC_POLL message above.     What's the problem?   G     A: There is no problem. The message, which typically appears when a F     java applet starts up, is purely informational and can be ignored.   and also from there:       IPv6 Support Disabled   E     IPv6 support is disabled by default. You can manually enable IPv6 D     support by defining the logical MOZILLA_IPV6 to any value before#     running the Secure Web Browser.   E     Note: Enabling IPv6 support may cause you to experience excessive -     GENERIC_POLL messages and frequent hangs.    HIH    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:29:55 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>: Subject: Re: ODS-5 volume restrictions from a VAX 7.3 node) Message-ID: <op.ti4gb5iytte90l@hyrrokkin>   J On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:49:53 -0800, Cluster-Karl <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de>   wrote:   >  > JF Mezei schrieb:  > I >> Which manual/document would outline the restrictions of a VAX 7.3 node H >> accessing files residing on an ODS-5 volume ? Is it the 7.3 release  
 >> notes ? >>I >> I am thinking that eventually I will be moving the user directories to J >> ODS-5 to enable "proper" filenames. I had thought this would happen farJ >> into the future, but I have uncovered a situation with Mozilla where itJ >> tries to create filenames invalid under ODS2 (and doesn't complain of   >> the5 >> failure, so one wonders why stuff later on fails).  >>L >> Right now, the disks are physically hosted by VAXes. I realise that the   >> VAX; >> cannot initialise an ODS5, but the alpha could via MSCP.  >>I >> Since only Alpha-based apps would be creating "strange" filenames that K >> would not really be used by VAX apps, I am thinking this may work, but    >> want ! >> to make sure before I proceed.  > H > ODS-5 files are flagged with  \pISO_LATIN\.??? from the VAX. Access toA > ODS-2 compliant files from a VAX are supported on a ODS-5 disk. + > Be sure to have read HELP EXT_FILE_SPECS.   A Also, VAX can't mount shadow sets if the drives aren't identical.    >  > regards Kalle  >        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:00:35 +0000 0 From: David Gray <grayd@turpin-distribution.com>) Subject: Pathworks client on x64 windows. 8 Message-ID: <l0mol210b3u9sjc4cg8jvk239liflojjsu@4ax.com>   Hi,    * VMS 7.3-2 E * Windows Server 2003, x64 standard edition (AMD Opteron processors)   * Pathworks V7.3-110A   E Trying to setup Pathworks client kit on this Windows 64bit server but ; am getting an error regarding hardware when browsing to the 
 OEMSETUP.INF    ? "The specified location does not contain information about your 	 hardware"   ) I've tried this using the XP & W2K kits.    E Anyone know if there's a version of Pathworks that's compataible with % Windows x64 on Opteron processors?       Thanks   Dave     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:09:01 GMT & From: "PEN" <paul.nunez.nosp@m.hp.com>- Subject: Re: Pathworks client on x64 windows. 2 Message-ID: <NW07h.2571$C85.1463@news.cpqcorp.net>  	 Hi David,   > "David Gray" <grayd@turpin-distribution.com> wrote in message 2 news:l0mol210b3u9sjc4cg8jvk239liflojjsu@4ax.com... > Hi,  > 
 > * VMS 7.3-2 F > * Windows Server 2003, x64 standard edition (AMD Opteron processors) > * Pathworks V7.3-110A  [snip]G > Anyone know if there's a version of Pathworks that's compataible with $ > Windows x64 on Opteron processors? >  > Thanks > Dave >   M PATHWORKS32 v7.4 is the current release and it doesn't support 64-bit O/Ses;  
 from the SPD:     Windows 2003 System Requirements  - PATHWORKS 32 software running on Windows 2003 3 systems requires the following minimum hardware and  software configuration:   < . Intel multiprocessor or single processor system referenced* in Microsoft's Hardware Compatibility List (HCL) for Windows 2003  1 . Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition or Windows 0 Server 2003 Enterprise Edition operating system./ Windows Server 2003 Web Edition, Windows Server 0 2003 Datacenter Edition, and Windows Server 20032 64-Bit Edition are not supported. Windows Terminal2 Services (part of Windows 2003 base functionality) is not supported.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:40:26 -0500 , From: "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com>4 Subject: Re: Programatically determining TCPIP stack+ Message-ID: <ejhpj9$4tp$1@news.process.com>   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A5EC7E.ACE0C1C6@SendSpamHere.ORG...J > In article <hoAQFy6gCUKF@cuebid.zko.hp.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: > >  > > % > >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: / > >> "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:  > >> {...snip...}>B > >>>I could also check existing BG devices and look for the ownerC > >>>processes, and use their names or the associated image name to  > >>>determine what is running.  > >>G > >> I find the bg device and then look into the dpt/ddb for the driver  name.  > >> Hasn't failed me yet. > > < > >$ write sys$output f$getdvi( "bg0", "driver_image_name" ) > >TCPIP$BGDRIVER  > % > That must be a new lexical feature.  > K > However, you are running TCP/IP services.  That name is different for the ' > other stacks -- MultiNet and TCPware.   2 When I tried it on a system running TCPware I got: BGDRIVER On MultiNet I got:	 UCXDRIVER   L I suppose that you could say that these tell what is running, but I like the tests that I posted earlier.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2006 10:27:01 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>   Subject: Updated VMS InformationB Message-ID: <1163701621.656236.39850@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Dear Newsgroup,  I sent this out yesterday.   Sue    ______________________________. Dear Internal and External Distribution lists,  C Attached please find some updated OpenVMS information that you will E find useful. Everything is public except the jobs which have personal D email addresses so please do not post the jobs, I have nothing to doG with hiring anyone, I just care that folks have jobs.  Also please keep G in mind that this is not a newsletter, it is just an email that I do to 	 help out.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue     " 1=2E Announcements and Information@ 	1.1 	NOW AVAILABLE ON INTEGRITY SERVER (Hobby and Edu licenses)! 	1.2	OpenVMS.org in new languages / 	1.3	January Technical Journal articles now due + 	1.4 	Quote regarding the porting workshops  	1.5 	VMS Customer Lab  , 2=2E0 Our Friends From Encompass/User Groups 3=2E0 Sue's Fav's  4=2E0 From Our Partners  5=2E0 In the Press
 6=2E0 Jobs  ( ________________________________________  " 1=2E Announcements and Information  D We will be having an OpenVMS Ambassadors meeting (internal only) theA week of Dec 11th.  However there will be a Partners Roundhouse on 6 Monday evening please visit the following for details:5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ambassadors/roundhouse.html   + -------------------------------------------   F 1=2E1 	NOW AVAILABLE ON INTEGRITY SERVERS (web site will reflect these changes this week)G 	OpenVMS Hobby Program For a free Hobbyist licenses on Integrity please  visit - Overall information F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/license_software_programs/index.html      	http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/< 	OpenVMS Edu For free Edu licenses on Integrity please visitC http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvmsedu/schoolreg.html you will notice D that we have changed the expiration dates until Oct 2007 so there is6 not such a rush at the beginning of the academic year.  / -----------------------------------------------   2 1=2E2 Great News - OpenVMS.Org is now available in English	www.openvms.org  French	http://fr.openvms.org/  Italian	http://it.openvms.org/( German	http://de.openvms.org/stories.phpF And I heard that we may be seeing a Dutch version as well and while weG are on the topic of OpenVMS.org please visit and provide feedback about ? pod casts, I have heard a couple samples that are just awesome.   / ----------------------------------------------- ( 1=2E3 Technical Journal Articles now dueE Technical Journal Articles are due on November 15 and by the looks of E the abstracts we are going to have another excellent issue.  Speaking F of the OpenVMS Technical Journal we average about 50,000 views a year,D so far this year we are a little over 45,000 views Technical Journal4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html  D Articles for the January 2007 issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal are due today Nov 15, 2006.   L =AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD=AD---------=% ------------------------------------- + 1=2E4 Quote regarding the porting workshops   A "The cost of the workshop is an absolute bargain.  Few venues can F provide that level of access to engineers directly involved making theD porting as easy as possible.  Coupled with the gifting of the server2 you used in the workshop, the value is unmatched."  - ---------------------------------------------   G 1=2E5 VMS Customer Lab - Did you know that there is a customer lab here G in ZKO where customers and partners can come and test their software on G the latest software and hardware? These engagements can be done on-site C or remotely.  If you are interested in finding out more information G please contact John Egolf (john.egolf with his email address at hp.com)     0 ________________________________________________  , 2=2E0 Our Friends From Encompass/User Groups  # America http://www.encompassUS.org/   D Interested in joining the VMS SIG dialogue? You can join the mailing list at: L http://listserv.encompassUS.org/Scripts/wa-ENCOMPASS.exe?SUBED1=3Dvms-sig&A= =3D1 or search the archives at E http://listserv.encompassUS.org/Archives/vms-sig.html. For a complete ' list of Special Interest Group's go to: + http://www.encompassus.org/community/sigs/.   D Encompass Canada is currently accepting nominations for its Board ofG Directors for this 2006 election year.  The term of office on the Board F is two years from January 1, 2007 to December 31, 2008. Be part of the$ team http://www.encompasscanada.com/  # Europe - http://www.hp-interex.com/   ) Australia - http://www.encompass.asn.au/,   & New Zealand - http://www.decus.org.nz/  3 ___________________________________________________    3=2E0 Sue's Fav's   E http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2006/061109b.html - This is a F press release from HP that allows customers to review HP products.....A Customers can now rate and review HP consumer technology products F online at the HP Home & Home Office Store ....Currently, customers may> submit reviews for HP imaging and printing products, including@ printers, scanners and all-in-ones; additional product lines are planned to be added over time.    G http://www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969130 - This is a web site that G has VMS stuff (shirts, mouse pads, bags, mugs, journal books).  This is A not where I order my stuff but they have some nice looking stuff.   1 _________________________________________________    4=2E0 From Our Partners   ; Accucorp Version 8 Beta Program to be involved please visit 5 http://www.acucorp.com/support/beta_program/index.php   B Brilliant will now market, sell and support Quintara Secure Server WWW.trysecureserver.com   2 __________________________________________________   5=2E0 In the Press  F http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug110906-story02.html HP Taps Fink to Run" Business Critical Servers Division  B http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2052120,00.asp -InterSystems'& Cache 2007 Speeds Database Development  D http://www.cmcrossroads.com/content/view/7248/166/ - McCabe Releases. Comprehensive Configuration Management Upgrade  F http://www.ferret.com.au/articles/zz/view.asp?id=3D2245 Manage product data with Windchill PDMLink 8.0     4 ____________________________________________________   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2006 10:42:27 -0600% From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon)   Subject: Re: VMS Gaming History?3 Message-ID: <ANXPb7rypNcY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <1163455448.115722.198370@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "madcrow" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> writes: E > As an OS that was used at plenty of college campuses, there seem to C > have been plenty of games for VMS. While some "smaller" games are H > available for playing at the Deathrow Cluster, I haven't found sourcesG > to build them, nor even executables. Since I might eventually want to D > set up my own VMS site at home, it would be great if someone couldD > point me to this stuff. Also, VMS seems to have been a hub for theC > development of rogue-likes (especially the early Moria line) Does < > anyone know where I can get VMS Moria or IMORIA or BOSS (aI > future-setting derivitaive of Moria that only exists on VAX/VMS and the  > Macintosh...)   E 	They still also have Nethack available for VMS (as well as unix and  L Windows) at www.nethack.org.  Surprisingly (in a good way), the Nethack dev M team are still there and every other year or so put out a new version of the  P program.  I've been playing it off and on in Windows, and it has some truly fun  and awesome new features.     	  - Sharon " "Gravity...  is a harsh mistress!"   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:41:41 +0000 (UTC) , From: Mikko Putkonen <miputkon@paju.oulu.fi>  Subject: Re: VMS Gaming History?' Message-ID: <eji4c5$hhu$1@news.oulu.fi>   > Also of general interest might be the Online World Timeline onB http://www.raphkoster.com/gaming/mudtimeline.shtml .  It mentions ) some old PDP games and other such things.   D   "... That was called 'Decwars'. Yes it ran on VAX/VMS. We used to @   play it on a pdp10. It used shared memory to communicate, not F   files - which was one of the ways the sysadmins could detect it. We C   generally played 5+ players per side. It had a lot of intelligent (   multiplayer design considerations..."      -Mikko   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:13:06 -0800 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>F Subject: Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?: Message-ID: <0Y2dnY9f-_igksHYnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Richard B. Gilbert wrote:    > Rich Alderson wrote:   (snip)  & >> I have to set up a 785 running VMS. (snip)   > You will need: > A VMS base licenseK > A VMS User License to cover the maximum number of simultaneous users. In  ; > the late 90's these sold for something like $300 per seat  > A DECWindows License > A TCP/IP Services License , > Add Compilers (C, Fortran, etc.) to taste.  I > I hope you've got a BIG budget, these things were never cheap and they  H > haven't gotten any cheaper.  And that's IF you can find someone at HP  > who can sell them to you.   3 Who would try to run an 11/785 other than a museum? 9 Would a museum demonstration qualify for a hobby license?   B See: http://www.pdpplanet.com/TemplateRestoration.aspx?contentId=8  6 On the other hand, that museum probably can afford it.   -- glen    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:47:06 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>F Subject: Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?) Message-ID: <eji4mc$2glp$1@pyrite.mv.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:o > In article <0Y2dnY9f-_igksHYnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: 6 >> Who would try to run an 11/785 other than a museum? > F >    Folks who have several million dollars of custom UNIBUS equipmentF >    hooked up to one, and haven't yet had the time to try it out with >    a Qniverter.     I    Or folks with what is approximately US$10 in equipment hooked to that  ? Unibus or MASSBUS, equipment which is directly responsible for  3 US$serious$ worth of process/product per unit time.   G    Folks with any software and/or hardware configuration where keeping  G the VAX-11/785 running is preferable (for any of the various potential  # motivations) than the alternatives.   I    Some folks view their computers as devices that need regular care and  D feeding and replacements, and some view their computers as embedded F control systems; install and configure and run the box until it fails.  G    Commodity systems connected to the network -- as currently designed  H -- can need regular care and feeding.  Embedded systems tend to perform I specific tasks, and are often installed and left unmodified for a decade  F or more.  There are embedded VAX, Alpha and Integrity systems running G OpenVMS that are performing all manner of different tasks in all sorts   of situations and environments.   G    Back before Y2K, I recall receiving a customer question involving a  G VAX/VMS V4.2? system that was quietly and quite economically running a  H [expurgated] plant for the [large] organization.  It's very likely that I system still running its intended function, basically untouched since it   was installed.  I    Computer systems that can require regular care and feeding tend to be  I connected to the Internet or otherwise directly or indirectly accessible  G to the riffraff, and tend to be general-purpose boxes with direct user  C access.   Many folks can and do become accustomed to this constant  B break-fix situation and to the need for continued upgrades and/or E subscription services.  (This is a situation that various associated  C vendors can and do benefit from, as can some select members of the   larger riffraff community.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:14:19 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: Who called me? ) Message-ID: <op.ti4fl5mftte90l@hyrrokkin>   ? On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:39:19 -0800, <lskphone@gmail.com> wrote:   H > I want a function -- written in C, BASIC, or, heck, even COBOL -- thatA > returns the name of the module that invoked the function.  This F > information must be available to VMS, since it is visible in a stackF > dump.  However, I can't track down any RTL routine that can pull theC > current stack of called modules (lib$signal won't do, of course). E > Therefore, I am appealing to the collective knowledge and wisdom of H > this usenet group.  Assuming I've made myself clear... Has anyone done > this before?  If so, how?  > ( > Thank you for your time and attention. >  if PL/I just use SNAP option   ON my_condition SNAP SYSTEM;   ...    SIGNAL my_condition;       --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.631 ************************