1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 19 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 636       Contents:. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good !) Re: remove purged files marked for delete = Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:09:56 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-477F0B.21095618112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  G In article <87bqn4j1o5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com   wrote:  + > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > G > > Going off topic a bit, but I'm compelled to ask, is Microsoft doing F > > something good, and are the third party security vendors justified > > in their criticism?  > F > MS is trying to redefine `secure' as meaning secure income for them,# > no matter what you think or want.  > C > > There's nothing to say that third party security vendors have a H > > right to a reason to exist.  (Sorry Larry.)  They cropped up to fillH > > a need.  If that need goes away, they won't like it, but that's just > > too bad. > E > No, it is do YOU have the right to select non billy-shit to run and G > guard YOUR data etc. The data that perhaps YOU will be prosecuted for A > if it leaks. If you thing billy gives a shit about it, read the 
 > licence. > B > > I have no idea what the issues are.  Knowing Microsoft, I'd beG > > prejudiced toward thinking they aren't being fair.  But not knowing ! > > the issues I cannot say that.  > E > > Can you shed some light on the conflict between Microsoft and the ! > > third party security vendors?  > E > The 3rd party people get thier money because YOU want to give it to G > them. This is moraly repugnant to the goat and chair brigade, so they 3 > lock YOU out from being able to make that choise.  > H > MS will have as little security as they can, and if it gets in the way+ > of `the windows experience' well tough...  > C > If you think drag and drop etc is wonderfull, you should see what B > happens when a Medical practice staffer grabs the patient recordG > directory and fumbles it onto the remove update folder... Not billy's   > problem, not bill's liability.   Right on cue Paul!  ) Here's a current example of what happens.   " http://www.winternals.com/Faq.aspx   "Q. What are you announcing?  E  A. Last summer Microsoft announced the acquisition of Winternals, a  G privately held (LP) company based in Austin, Texas and Sysinternals, a  C community forum site run by two of the principals from Winternals.  ? Winternals is a leading provider of systems recovery tools for  D Windows-based enterprises worldwide, and Sysinternals is one of the @ leading community and enthusiast sites for people interested in G information about the internals of the Windows operating system. Today  F we are announcing the plans for the future of their product offerings.? Q. Will you continue selling Winternals portfolio of products?   G  A. Microsoft is meeting all standard customer and partner commitments  @ through their terms. After investigating how these products and F technologies could best complement existing Microsoft technologies to I maximize future customer value, the decision has been made to withdrawal  F Winternals Recovery Manager, Defrag Manager and Protection Manager in E their current form from the market effective November 17th 2006. The  C functionality and usage scenarios of many of these products may be  A addressed by Microsoft offerings at a later date. The Winternals  H Administrators Pak will continue to be available from Winternals until 	 Q2 2007."   1 Read the rest and weep. It contains such gems as:   I "Q. My support contract with Winternals on Administrators Pak (or other  E tool) is about to expire (or has just expired). Can I still renew it?   (  A. No, there are no plans for renewal."  F IOW, current customers have been completely shafted, with no promises H whatsoever that the functionality they have now how will be replaced in  future offerings.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:27:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: remove purged files marked for delete8 Message-ID: <772ec$455ff932$cef8887a$12788@TEKSAVVY.COM>   jbigboote wrote:G > Analyze tells me the file IDs. Is there not a way to remove the files G > by their file IDs? The new logs are now in use, so I am confident the  > old ones are no longer open.     On each node in your cluster:   = $PIPE SHOW DEV/FILES/NOSYS disk: | search sys$input  filename   J This will tell you which process still has that file (or version of file)  opened.   , You can also use (on recent versions of VMS:  0 SHOW DEV/FILES/NOSYS/PAGE/search=filename  disk:  J However, this shows you all opened files, and will highlight (bold) those G files that match the search. Not as useful/consise as the PIPE version  & which only shows the relevant entries.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Nov 06 15:38:21 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) F Subject: Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?! Message-ID: <CaEttYiz3ohb@wvnvms>   N In article <87fycgj289.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes:- > cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes:  > g >> In article <mddejs1nc2l.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: B >>> The way the Tops-10 2065 is hooked to the net for telnet is byE >>> connecting its 16 terminal lines to two octopus cables on a 2501. E >>> I'm wondering if running an early version of VMS will require the  >>> same kind of hookup. > F >> BTW, does the 2065 (or any other system) have TU72 tape drives?  IfF >> so, it is possible to hook them to the 785 using a DX20.  It wasn'tE >> possible to boot VMS from TU72 drives, but otherwise they were the / >> best 9-track drives to have on a VMS system.  > 4 > The 72 was a Sto Tek Tag Data bus drive wasn't it?  @ Yes, they were STC Bus and Tag (aka IBM channel) attached drives= sold as equivalents to IBM 3420 (if I recall the model number ? correctly) drives.  Once we attached the bank of ten on our IBM @ mainframes to our VAX 8650, my 9-track tape drive headaches wereC over.  I think we may have been the only site to ever share channel @ attached 9-track drives between IBM mainframes and a VAXcluster.  A FWIW, our IBM mainframes and non-UNIX OSes are long gone, but VMS  is still holding on.     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.636 ************************