1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 20 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 638       Contents:. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good !? Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched . Re: Question: Can anyone write device drivers/) Re: remove purged files marked for delete ) Re: remove purged files marked for delete = Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:01:51 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! 9 Message-ID: <EMGdndmFPeMFkfzYnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Paul Sture wrote: I > In article <87bqn4j1o5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com   > wrote: > , >> Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>G >>> Going off topic a bit, but I'm compelled to ask, is Microsoft doing F >>> something good, and are the third party security vendors justified >>> in their criticism? G >> MS is trying to redefine `secure' as meaning secure income for them, $ >> no matter what you think or want. >>C >>> There's nothing to say that third party security vendors have a H >>> right to a reason to exist.  (Sorry Larry.)  They cropped up to fillH >>> a need.  If that need goes away, they won't like it, but that's just >>> too bad.F >> No, it is do YOU have the right to select non billy-shit to run andH >> guard YOUR data etc. The data that perhaps YOU will be prosecuted forB >> if it leaks. If you thing billy gives a shit about it, read the >> licence.  >>B >>> I have no idea what the issues are.  Knowing Microsoft, I'd beG >>> prejudiced toward thinking they aren't being fair.  But not knowing ! >>> the issues I cannot say that. E >>> Can you shed some light on the conflict between Microsoft and the ! >>> third party security vendors? F >> The 3rd party people get thier money because YOU want to give it toH >> them. This is moraly repugnant to the goat and chair brigade, so they4 >> lock YOU out from being able to make that choise. >>I >> MS will have as little security as they can, and if it gets in the way , >> of `the windows experience' well tough... >>D >> If you think drag and drop etc is wonderfull, you should see whatC >> happens when a Medical practice staffer grabs the patient record H >> directory and fumbles it onto the remove update folder... Not billy's! >> problem, not bill's liability.  >  > Right on cue Paul!  E Even worse, the data gets dragged to another person's records.  Then   someone gets the wrong drugs.   > But it's the fault of the organization that chooses to run an ? application that allows such to occur.  Hey, I'm not defending  G Microsoft, I have many problems with what they have done to computing.  G But I also don't subscribe to the lynch mob mentality.  I wasn't aware  / of the issue, and just asked for clarification.   + > Here's a current example of what happens.  > $ > http://www.winternals.com/Faq.aspx >  > "Q. What are you announcing? > G >  A. Last summer Microsoft announced the acquisition of Winternals, a  I > privately held (LP) company based in Austin, Texas and Sysinternals, a  E > community forum site run by two of the principals from Winternals.  A > Winternals is a leading provider of systems recovery tools for  F > Windows-based enterprises worldwide, and Sysinternals is one of the B > leading community and enthusiast sites for people interested in I > information about the internals of the Windows operating system. Today  H > we are announcing the plans for the future of their product offerings.A > Q. Will you continue selling Winternals portfolio of products?  > I >  A. Microsoft is meeting all standard customer and partner commitments  B > through their terms. After investigating how these products and H > technologies could best complement existing Microsoft technologies to K > maximize future customer value, the decision has been made to withdrawal  H > Winternals Recovery Manager, Defrag Manager and Protection Manager in G > their current form from the market effective November 17th 2006. The  E > functionality and usage scenarios of many of these products may be  C > addressed by Microsoft offerings at a later date. The Winternals  J > Administrators Pak will continue to be available from Winternals until  > Q2 2007."  > 3 > Read the rest and weep. It contains such gems as:  > K > "Q. My support contract with Winternals on Administrators Pak (or other  G > tool) is about to expire (or has just expired). Can I still renew it?  > * >  A. No, there are no plans for renewal." > H > IOW, current customers have been completely shafted, with no promises J > whatsoever that the functionality they have now how will be replaced in  > future offerings.  >   I I'm not a lawyer, but, I'd think that Microsoft would be responsible for  H any obligations of any entity they purchase.  I'd guess they could just I purchase the assets, but that's not what appears above.  I'd wonder what  F their responsibilities are.  If the customers paid for a product, and A paid additionally for right to use, I'd think Microsoft might be  G responsible for continuing to allow usage.  Of course then it's a case  D of the lawyers getting rich and everyone else losing.  If Microsoft H wanted to just erase the availability of a product, then their cheapest C course would be ro reimburse all customers the cost of the product.   E Next question.  Is there a decent demand for the capabilities of the  F software?  If so, what's to stop anyone from developing and selling a K product?  What's the functionality?  I'm looking for some new things to do.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:12:12 +1100 ! From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate> H Subject: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched0 Message-ID: <12m2hpssulj6q24@corp.supernews.com>  I Services started and enabled on an Alpha, can connect using FTP, Telnet,  I web server running etc, scan shows port 22 open, but......I can't make a   connection.   I Haven't played with the configuration files at all, would appreciate any   suggestions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:11:05 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: Question: Can anyone write device drivers/ 9 Message-ID: <VtudnfuHYI5fk_zYnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@libcom.com>   - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > Thanks2 > But that is why I need someone to do it for us ! >  > $$$ !   ? What are you saying David?  That you need to pay someone?  The  G directions appear to be rather simple.  If you want to supply a loaner  D and an original of the VMS media that you want to use, I'd make the E mods, and create one or more CDs with the mods.  Always glad to take   your (or anyone's) money.  :-)  I Not saying I'm familiar enough with the drivers and config files to know  I whether such would work, but, I could follow the directions and test the   mod.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:52:46 -0500 ' From: Glenn Everhart <everhart@gce.com> 2 Subject: Re: remove purged files marked for delete0 Message-ID: <12m1h8iapklrd56@corp.supernews.com>   jbigboote wrote:H > I have a three-node alpha cluster, running VMS 7.2-2. I recently did aI > reply/log on each node to create three new operator logs. I then issued H > a purge command for operator.log. Apparently I jumped the gun, becauseH > even though the files are not there when you do a directory, they showE > up as marked for delete when you do an analyze /disk. Using /repair G > does not remove them, even days later. HP tells me only a reboot will + > clear them (they are on the system disk). G > Analyze tells me the file IDs. Is there not a way to remove the files G > by their file IDs? The new logs are now in use, so I am confident the G > old ones are no longer open. They are rather large files and it would * > help tremendously to free up that space. > F You have to get rid of the locks on the files. When a file is deleted D that is in use, it gets a mark to delete it, but that won't work if E there is still a lock around on the file. That is my guess anyway of  H what is wrong. Reboot would clear the locks up. There is an incantation G in analy/sys that will show locks. While it is conceivable that firing  C off an io$_delete on the files might clear them and leave dangling  A locks, you may just change to a state where your system hangs or  B processes get stuck in "execution". Best just bite the bullet and  reboot, most of the time.    Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:19:56 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 2 Subject: Re: remove purged files marked for delete9 Message-ID: <VtudnfqHYI5JjfzYnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@libcom.com>   
 martyn wrote:  > jbigboote wrote:I >> Apologies, upon further investigation, there was an unexpected process : >> that was still using the files. killing it and doing an* >> analyze/disk/repair freed up the space.* >> HP support could have suggested this... >>@ >> On Nov 18, 10:26 pm, "jbigboote" <jbigbo...@gmail.com> wrote:J >>> I have a three-node alpha cluster, running VMS 7.2-2. I recently did aK >>> reply/log on each node to create three new operator logs. I then issued J >>> a purge command for operator.log. Apparently I jumped the gun, becauseJ >>> even though the files are not there when you do a directory, they showG >>> up as marked for delete when you do an analyze /disk. Using /repair I >>> does not remove them, even days later. HP tells me only a reboot will - >>> clear them (they are on the system disk). I >>> Analyze tells me the file IDs. Is there not a way to remove the files I >>> by their file IDs? The new logs are now in use, so I am confident the I >>> old ones are no longer open. They are rather large files and it would , >>> help tremendously to free up that space. >> >  > J > If  HP support didn't even suggest trying this then I reckon you should I > get a refund on your support contract, it's outrageous for them to say  H > that only a reboot would solve this sort of problem, are you sure you 7 > didn't get put through to their Windows support desk?   * Has windoze level support arrived for VMS?   1) Re-boot your system. , 2) If that doesn't work, re-install your OS. ....   :-(    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Nov 2006 14:31:56 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> F Subject: Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?. Message-ID: <mddhcwvjkr7.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  + cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes:   I > BTW, does the 2065 (or any other system) have TU72 tape drives?  If so, J > it is possible to hook them to the 785 using a DX20.  It wasn't possibleH > to boot VMS from TU72 drives, but otherwise they were the best 9-track! > drives to have on a VMS system.   / TU78's with 18-bit formatter/controller (TM78).   J I worked with TU72's at UChicago, and had real STC drives connected to the$ Systems Concepts SC-30M at Stanford.   --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.638 ************************