1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 20 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 639       Contents:. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good !. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good !. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! environmental entries 6 Re: F$SEARCH() complications with mixed case filenames6 Re: F$SEARCH() complications with mixed case filenames6 Re: F$SEARCH() complications with mixed case filenames Huge Bug in TPU (Capitalize)  Re: Huge Bug in TPU (Capitalize)  Re: Huge Bug in TPU (Capitalize)  Re: Huge Bug in TPU (Capitalize)! LDdriver V9.0 fieldtest available % Re: LDdriver V9.0 fieldtest available C Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched C Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched C Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched C Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched C Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched C Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched C Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched * Re: Purpose of uppercasing a RUN command ?* Re: Purpose of uppercasing a RUN command ?. Re: Question: Can anyone write device drivers/. Re: Question: Can anyone write device drivers/$ Recon-X or similar product for VMS ?) Re: remove purged files marked for delete  Re: Strategies for time offsets  Re: Strategies for time offsets  Re: Strategies for time offsets  volume shadowing over LAVC ?  Re: volume shadowing over LAVC ? Re: wanted microvax 3100/98 = Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?  Re: Who called me? Re: Who called me?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:55:14 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! 9 Message-ID: <vuudneK7RN4W5vzYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@libcom.com>    John Santos wrote:H > In article <EMGdndmFPeMFkfzYnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@libcom.com>, davef@tsoft- > inc.com says...  >> Paul Sture wrote:K >>> In article <87bqn4j1o5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com  
 >>> wrote: >>> . >>>> Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>>I >>>>> Going off topic a bit, but I'm compelled to ask, is Microsoft doing H >>>>> something good, and are the third party security vendors justified >>>>> in their criticism? I >>>> MS is trying to redefine `secure' as meaning secure income for them, & >>>> no matter what you think or want. >>>>E >>>>> There's nothing to say that third party security vendors have a J >>>>> right to a reason to exist.  (Sorry Larry.)  They cropped up to fillJ >>>>> a need.  If that need goes away, they won't like it, but that's just >>>>> too bad.H >>>> No, it is do YOU have the right to select non billy-shit to run andJ >>>> guard YOUR data etc. The data that perhaps YOU will be prosecuted forD >>>> if it leaks. If you thing billy gives a shit about it, read the
 >>>> licence.  >>>>D >>>>> I have no idea what the issues are.  Knowing Microsoft, I'd beI >>>>> prejudiced toward thinking they aren't being fair.  But not knowing # >>>>> the issues I cannot say that. G >>>>> Can you shed some light on the conflict between Microsoft and the # >>>>> third party security vendors? H >>>> The 3rd party people get thier money because YOU want to give it toJ >>>> them. This is moraly repugnant to the goat and chair brigade, so they6 >>>> lock YOU out from being able to make that choise. >>>>K >>>> MS will have as little security as they can, and if it gets in the way . >>>> of `the windows experience' well tough... >>>>F >>>> If you think drag and drop etc is wonderfull, you should see whatE >>>> happens when a Medical practice staffer grabs the patient record J >>>> directory and fumbles it onto the remove update folder... Not billy's# >>>> problem, not bill's liability.  >>> Right on cue Paul!H >> Even worse, the data gets dragged to another person's records.  Then   >> someone gets the wrong drugs. >>A >> But it's the fault of the organization that chooses to run an  B >> application that allows such to occur.  Hey, I'm not defending J >> Microsoft, I have many problems with what they have done to computing. J >> But I also don't subscribe to the lynch mob mentality.  I wasn't aware 2 >> of the issue, and just asked for clarification. >>- >>> Here's a current example of what happens.  >>> & >>> http://www.winternals.com/Faq.aspx >>>   >>> "Q. What are you announcing? >>> I >>>  A. Last summer Microsoft announced the acquisition of Winternals, a  K >>> privately held (LP) company based in Austin, Texas and Sysinternals, a  G >>> community forum site run by two of the principals from Winternals.  C >>> Winternals is a leading provider of systems recovery tools for  H >>> Windows-based enterprises worldwide, and Sysinternals is one of the D >>> leading community and enthusiast sites for people interested in K >>> information about the internals of the Windows operating system. Today  J >>> we are announcing the plans for the future of their product offerings.C >>> Q. Will you continue selling Winternals portfolio of products?  >>> K >>>  A. Microsoft is meeting all standard customer and partner commitments  D >>> through their terms. After investigating how these products and J >>> technologies could best complement existing Microsoft technologies to M >>> maximize future customer value, the decision has been made to withdrawal  J >>> Winternals Recovery Manager, Defrag Manager and Protection Manager in I >>> their current form from the market effective November 17th 2006. The  G >>> functionality and usage scenarios of many of these products may be  E >>> addressed by Microsoft offerings at a later date. The Winternals  L >>> Administrators Pak will continue to be available from Winternals until 
 >>> Q2 2007."  >>> 5 >>> Read the rest and weep. It contains such gems as:  >>> M >>> "Q. My support contract with Winternals on Administrators Pak (or other  I >>> tool) is about to expire (or has just expired). Can I still renew it?  >>> , >>>  A. No, there are no plans for renewal." >>> J >>> IOW, current customers have been completely shafted, with no promises L >>> whatsoever that the functionality they have now how will be replaced in  >>> future offerings.  >>> L >> I'm not a lawyer, but, I'd think that Microsoft would be responsible for K >> any obligations of any entity they purchase.  I'd guess they could just   > I > It doesn't sound like they are ducking any obligations.  It sounds like G > they stopped selling the product and won't renew any existing support J > contracts when they expire.  Existing support contracts remain in effectJ > until they end, and then no renewals.  This seems to me completely legalH > and within their rights, though thoroughly despicable.  It also soundsE > like they are reserving the right to use the technology in some new 7 > product in the future, but haven't promised anything.   G I think I misunderstood what was happening.  Re-reading it, support is  E the issue.  For some reason I thought it was a periodic right to use  K license or such.  You're right, they can stop selling support if they wish.   I > The only out I see is if they are breaking some kind of anti-trust laws H > by buying a competitor to kill their products.  (I don't know what theB > other 2 products specifically mentioned actually do, but WindowsB > includes a built-in defragger, and third parties, including the I > Diskeeper people who make Diskeeper for VMS sell competitive or add-on  F > defraggers.  If M$'s actions significantly reduce competition in theB > windows defragger market, then anti-trust might apply.  (IANAL.)  H Well, with Democrats now in control of Congress, and in two years quite H possibly the White House, maybe enforcing the law will be back in vogue.  L >> purchase the assets, but that's not what appears above.  I'd wonder what I >> their responsibilities are.  If the customers paid for a product, and  D >> paid additionally for right to use, I'd think Microsoft might be J >> responsible for continuing to allow usage.  Of course then it's a case  > D > If the license is for a limit term, then I guess if the owner (M$)9 > refuses to renew the license, then the customer is SOL.   F Here is where I would wonder a bit.  If Microsoft buys the company to 5 inflict harm on users, they might have some recourse.    >  But if it is ? > a perpetual license, then the customer can continue to use it < > indefinitely, just at their own risk once support expires. > G >> of the lawyers getting rich and everyone else losing.  If Microsoft  K >> wanted to just erase the availability of a product, then their cheapest  F >> course would be ro reimburse all customers the cost of the product. >>H >> Next question.  Is there a decent demand for the capabilities of the I >> software?  If so, what's to stop anyone from developing and selling a  N >> product?  What's the functionality?  I'm looking for some new things to do. > H > I'm sure the original owners have signed a no-compete contract as partI > of their buyout, but anyone else (or anyone who refused to sign and get 4 > truckloads of money) could re-create the products.  F Unless the truckloads were such that the reciepient(s) never cared to - see another computer, at least for work.  :-)    >  M$ is probably C > thinking no one in their right mind would do this, since M$ could C > immediately turn around and bundle the product with Windows, thus  > killing their market.  > C > All this is extremely reminiscent of John D. Rockefeller and the   > Standard Oil Trust.  >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:19:41 GMT 0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu>7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! > Message-ID: <MPG.1fcb4b4bc2875aff98973a@news.bellatlantic.net>  F In article <vuudneK7RN4W5vzYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@libcom.com>, davef@tsoft- inc.com says...  > John Santos wrote:J > > In article <EMGdndmFPeMFkfzYnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@libcom.com>, davef@tsoft- > > inc.com says...  > >> Paul Sture wrote:M > >>> In article <87bqn4j1o5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com   > >>> wrote: > >>> 0 > >>>> Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > >>>>K > >>>>> Going off topic a bit, but I'm compelled to ask, is Microsoft doing J > >>>>> something good, and are the third party security vendors justified > >>>>> in their criticism? K > >>>> MS is trying to redefine `secure' as meaning secure income for them, ( > >>>> no matter what you think or want. > >>>>G > >>>>> There's nothing to say that third party security vendors have a L > >>>>> right to a reason to exist.  (Sorry Larry.)  They cropped up to fillL > >>>>> a need.  If that need goes away, they won't like it, but that's just > >>>>> too bad.J > >>>> No, it is do YOU have the right to select non billy-shit to run andL > >>>> guard YOUR data etc. The data that perhaps YOU will be prosecuted forF > >>>> if it leaks. If you thing billy gives a shit about it, read the > >>>> licence.  > >>>>F > >>>>> I have no idea what the issues are.  Knowing Microsoft, I'd beK > >>>>> prejudiced toward thinking they aren't being fair.  But not knowing % > >>>>> the issues I cannot say that. I > >>>>> Can you shed some light on the conflict between Microsoft and the % > >>>>> third party security vendors? J > >>>> The 3rd party people get thier money because YOU want to give it toL > >>>> them. This is moraly repugnant to the goat and chair brigade, so they8 > >>>> lock YOU out from being able to make that choise. > >>>>M > >>>> MS will have as little security as they can, and if it gets in the way 0 > >>>> of `the windows experience' well tough... > >>>>H > >>>> If you think drag and drop etc is wonderfull, you should see whatG > >>>> happens when a Medical practice staffer grabs the patient record L > >>>> directory and fumbles it onto the remove update folder... Not billy's% > >>>> problem, not bill's liability.  > >>> Right on cue Paul!J > >> Even worse, the data gets dragged to another person's records.  Then " > >> someone gets the wrong drugs. > >>C > >> But it's the fault of the organization that chooses to run an  D > >> application that allows such to occur.  Hey, I'm not defending L > >> Microsoft, I have many problems with what they have done to computing. L > >> But I also don't subscribe to the lynch mob mentality.  I wasn't aware 4 > >> of the issue, and just asked for clarification. > >>/ > >>> Here's a current example of what happens.  > >>> ( > >>> http://www.winternals.com/Faq.aspx > >>> " > >>> "Q. What are you announcing? > >>> K > >>>  A. Last summer Microsoft announced the acquisition of Winternals, a  M > >>> privately held (LP) company based in Austin, Texas and Sysinternals, a  I > >>> community forum site run by two of the principals from Winternals.  E > >>> Winternals is a leading provider of systems recovery tools for  J > >>> Windows-based enterprises worldwide, and Sysinternals is one of the F > >>> leading community and enthusiast sites for people interested in M > >>> information about the internals of the Windows operating system. Today  L > >>> we are announcing the plans for the future of their product offerings.E > >>> Q. Will you continue selling Winternals portfolio of products?  > >>> M > >>>  A. Microsoft is meeting all standard customer and partner commitments  F > >>> through their terms. After investigating how these products and L > >>> technologies could best complement existing Microsoft technologies to O > >>> maximize future customer value, the decision has been made to withdrawal  L > >>> Winternals Recovery Manager, Defrag Manager and Protection Manager in K > >>> their current form from the market effective November 17th 2006. The  I > >>> functionality and usage scenarios of many of these products may be  G > >>> addressed by Microsoft offerings at a later date. The Winternals  N > >>> Administrators Pak will continue to be available from Winternals until  > >>> Q2 2007."  > >>> 7 > >>> Read the rest and weep. It contains such gems as:  > >>> O > >>> "Q. My support contract with Winternals on Administrators Pak (or other  K > >>> tool) is about to expire (or has just expired). Can I still renew it?  > >>> . > >>>  A. No, there are no plans for renewal." > >>> L > >>> IOW, current customers have been completely shafted, with no promises N > >>> whatsoever that the functionality they have now how will be replaced in  > >>> future offerings.  > >>> N > >> I'm not a lawyer, but, I'd think that Microsoft would be responsible for M > >> any obligations of any entity they purchase.  I'd guess they could just   > > K > > It doesn't sound like they are ducking any obligations.  It sounds like I > > they stopped selling the product and won't renew any existing support L > > contracts when they expire.  Existing support contracts remain in effectL > > until they end, and then no renewals.  This seems to me completely legalJ > > and within their rights, though thoroughly despicable.  It also soundsG > > like they are reserving the right to use the technology in some new 9 > > product in the future, but haven't promised anything.  > I > I think I misunderstood what was happening.  Re-reading it, support is  G > the issue.  For some reason I thought it was a periodic right to use  M > license or such.  You're right, they can stop selling support if they wish.  > K > > The only out I see is if they are breaking some kind of anti-trust laws J > > by buying a competitor to kill their products.  (I don't know what theD > > other 2 products specifically mentioned actually do, but WindowsD > > includes a built-in defragger, and third parties, including the K > > Diskeeper people who make Diskeeper for VMS sell competitive or add-on  H > > defraggers.  If M$'s actions significantly reduce competition in theD > > windows defragger market, then anti-trust might apply.  (IANAL.) > J > Well, with Democrats now in control of Congress, and in two years quite J > possibly the White House, maybe enforcing the law will be back in vogue. > N > >> purchase the assets, but that's not what appears above.  I'd wonder what K > >> their responsibilities are.  If the customers paid for a product, and  F > >> paid additionally for right to use, I'd think Microsoft might be L > >> responsible for continuing to allow usage.  Of course then it's a case  > > F > > If the license is for a limit term, then I guess if the owner (M$); > > refuses to renew the license, then the customer is SOL.  > H > Here is where I would wonder a bit.  If Microsoft buys the company to 7 > inflict harm on users, they might have some recourse.  >  > >  But if it is A > > a perpetual license, then the customer can continue to use it > > > indefinitely, just at their own risk once support expires. > > I > >> of the lawyers getting rich and everyone else losing.  If Microsoft  M > >> wanted to just erase the availability of a product, then their cheapest  H > >> course would be ro reimburse all customers the cost of the product. > >>J > >> Next question.  Is there a decent demand for the capabilities of the K > >> software?  If so, what's to stop anyone from developing and selling a  P > >> product?  What's the functionality?  I'm looking for some new things to do. > > J > > I'm sure the original owners have signed a no-compete contract as partK > > of their buyout, but anyone else (or anyone who refused to sign and get 6 > > truckloads of money) could re-create the products. > H > Unless the truckloads were such that the reciepient(s) never cared to / > see another computer, at least for work.  :-)  >   G I guess that was a little ambiguous.  The truckloads went to the people G who did sign the no-compete agreement.  People who refused to sign got  D no money, but weren't bound by a contract, and could, if they chose,/ try to create a competing product from scratch.    > >  M$ is probably E > > thinking no one in their right mind would do this, since M$ could E > > immediately turn around and bundle the product with Windows, thus  > > killing their market.  > > E > > All this is extremely reminiscent of John D. Rockefeller and the   > > Standard Oil Trust.  > >  >  >  >    --   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:33:25 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-74FF68.14332520112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  9 In article <vuudneK7RN4W5vzYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@libcom.com>, )  Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    > John Santos wrote:J > > In article <EMGdndmFPeMFkfzYnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@libcom.com>, davef@tsoft- > > inc.com says...  > >> Paul Sture wrote:M > >>> In article <87bqn4j1o5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com   > >>> wrote: > >>>    <snip>  / > >>> Here's a current example of what happens.  > >>> ( > >>> http://www.winternals.com/Faq.aspx > >>> " > >>> "Q. What are you announcing? > >>> K > >>>  A. Last summer Microsoft announced the acquisition of Winternals, a  M > >>> privately held (LP) company based in Austin, Texas and Sysinternals, a  I > >>> community forum site run by two of the principals from Winternals.  E > >>> Winternals is a leading provider of systems recovery tools for  J > >>> Windows-based enterprises worldwide, and Sysinternals is one of the F > >>> leading community and enthusiast sites for people interested in G > >>> information about the internals of the Windows operating system.    2 I didn't realise that Winternals had got this big:  I http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_May_16/ai_n137188  72   ---- start quote ----   F United States Patent and Trademark Office Selects Winternals Recovery F Manager 2.0; Government Organizations Are One of the Primary Industry I Segments for Winternals' Enterprise Systems Repair and Recovery Solution'    ...   G Recovery Manager continues to penetrate the government sector based on  I its ability to deliver a rapid return on investment by quickly restoring  H systems without losing critical data," said Edwin Brasch, President and C CEO of Winternals Software. "A significant portion of our Recovery  E Manager customers are government agencies at the federal, state, and  
 local levels.   H Recovery Manager provides customized repair and recovery protection for H Windows servers, workstations, and mobile PCs throughout the network at F the operating system, application, user data, and user settings level.G * In situations when computers are rendered unbootable or unstable by * H * a range of threats including faulty Windows patches and security    * H * updates, software corruption, user error, power disruptions, and    * G * malware attacks, it can reduce recovery time to minutes.            *    [my asterisks] ---- end quote ----    > I > I think I misunderstood what was happening.  Re-reading it, support is  G > the issue.  For some reason I thought it was a periodic right to use  M > license or such.  You're right, they can stop selling support if they wish.  >   F I see support as the issue too, particularly for large enterprise and H government sectors, who typically do _not_ like running without support.   * Back to http://www.winternals.com/Faq.aspx   ---- start quote ----   H Q. Is support or Product Assurance avaiable with new orders of Recovery D Manager, Protection Manager, Defrag Manager and Administrators Pak ) purchases made before November 17th 2006?     A. No. F Q. Can I continue to use Recovery Manager, Protection Manager, Defrag A Manager and Administrators Pak once my support contract expires?   E  A. Yes. A customer can continue to use the software without support.    ---- end quote ----   F It looks like a load of US government agencies don't have support for F Recovery Manager any more... I am sure you aren't exactly happy about  that.   J > >> Next question.  Is there a decent demand for the capabilities of the  > >> software?   See link above.    > > J > > I'm sure the original owners have signed a no-compete contract as partK > > of their buyout, but anyone else (or anyone who refused to sign and get 6 > > truckloads of money) could re-create the products. > H > Unless the truckloads were such that the reciepient(s) never cared to / > see another computer, at least for work.  :-)  >  > >  M$ is probably E > > thinking no one in their right mind would do this, since M$ could E > > immediately turn around and bundle the product with Windows, thus  > > killing their market.   I As we all know in this news group, recreating recovery software isn't so   simple.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 06:29:36 -0800/ From: "Don.Zong@gmail.com" <Don.Zong@gmail.com>  Subject: environmental entriesB Message-ID: <1164032976.338604.59030@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D I saw a number of environmental_entries in errlog.sys. Just not sureA what they really means? Here is an exerpt. this is an itanium box " running openvms 8.2-1. Any ideas ?  G EVENT  EVENT_TYPE_____________________________  TIMESTAMP______________ 0  NODE__  EVENT_CLASS____________________________G 351    System Event Log                         19-NOV-2006 15:21:16.67   IPOP    ENVIRONMENTAL_ENTRIES  8 DESCRIPTION__________________________________   RANGE___< VALUE_____________   TRANSLATED_VALUE_______________________<    Logging CPU                                             0  <    Number of CPU's in Active Set                           2  E    DSR String                                              .HP rx2600  (1.40GHz/1.5MBA    Operating System Version                                V8.2-1      SEL type 2 SubpacketA    SEL Record ID                                           0x0AE0   E    TIMESTAMP (Seconds since 1-Jan-1970)                    0x45607651   A    GENerator ID                                            0x0020   ?    EvM Rev                                                 0x03          IPMI V1.0 format?    Sensor Type                                             0x08   ?    Sensor Number                                           0x45   ?    Event Dir/Type                                          0x09   ?       Event Type                                           0x09   >       Event Direction                                      0x0  ?    Event Data 1                                            0x00   ?    Event Data 2                                            0xFF   ?    Event Data 3                                            0xFF    SEL type 2 SubpacketA    SEL Record ID                                           0x0AF0   E    TIMESTAMP (Seconds since 1-Jan-1970)                    0x45607651   A    GENerator ID                                            0x0020   ?    EvM Rev                                                 0x03          IPMI V1.0 format?    Sensor Type                                             0x09   ?    Sensor Number                                           0x4F   ?    Event Dir/Type                                          0x0B   ?       Event Type                                           0x0B   >       Event Direction                                      0x0  ?    Event Data 1                                            0x01   ?    Event Data 2                                            0xFF   ?    Event Data 3                                            0xFF    SEL type 2 SubpacketA    SEL Record ID                                           0x0B00   E    TIMESTAMP (Seconds since 1-Jan-1970)                    0x45607652   A    GENerator ID                                            0x0020   ?    EvM Rev                                                 0x03          IPMI V1.0 format?    Sensor Type                                             0x04   ?    Sensor Number                                           0xEB   ?    Event Dir/Type                                          0x06   ?       Event Type                                           0x06   >       Event Direction                                      0x0  ?    Event Data 1                                            0x01   ?    Event Data 2                                            0xFF   ?    Event Data 3                                            0xFF    SEL type 2 SubpacketA    SEL Record ID                                           0x0B10   E    TIMESTAMP (Seconds since 1-Jan-1970)                    0x45607652   A    GENerator ID                                            0x0020   ?    EvM Rev                                                 0x03          IPMI V1.0 format?    Sensor Type                                             0x0A   ?    Sensor Number                                           0x11   ?    Event Dir/Type                                          0x07   ?       Event Type                                           0x07   >       Event Direction                                      0x0  ?    Event Data 1                                            0x01   ?    Event Data 2                                            0xFF   ?    Event Data 3                                            0xFF    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 04:19:05 -0800# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> ? Subject: Re: F$SEARCH() complications with mixed case filenames A Message-ID: <1164025145.438567.25940@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   ( > For long filenames this would be ugly:5 > F$SEARCH("THIS_NAME_IS_RIDICULOUSLY_LONG.ISNT_IT"") G > would have to be followed by a series of, I guess, 2**32 - 1 commands  > like this:4 > F$SEARCH("tHIS_NAME_IS_RIDICULOUSLY_LONG.ISNT_IT")4 > F$SEARCH("ThIS_NAME_IS_RIDICULOUSLY_LONG.ISNT_IT")4 > F$SEARCH("thIS_NAME_IS_RIDICULOUSLY_LONG.ISNT_IT") > etc.  2 Funny how the arbitrary, spontaneously chosen name? THIS_NAME_IS_RIDICULOUSLY_LONG.ISNT_IT just happened to have 32 E alphabetic characters in it, so that such a nice power of two (2**32) 
 would result?   F And it's true that this name just popped into my head for the example.  ? Apparently, though, my brain isn't hard wired to produce entire C 32-character alphabetic sequences all at once, let alone meaningful  phrases of that length. :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 08:11:57 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: F$SEARCH() complications with mixed case filenames 3 Message-ID: <q1HibpDs6n9t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <1163789338.520774.31350@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > D > I couldn't agree more. I think case sensitivity should be outlawedG > except for "text", quoted strings, and such. What's the big advantage B > of allowing case-sensitive filenames anyway? I suppose you couldF > mention it as benefiting non-technical Windows users, but even thereG > you can't create both a.a and A.A. It allows mixed case without being 8 > case-sensitive. Interesting. 'Reminds me of ALL-IN-1.   H    Windows isn't case sensitive.  Like ODS-5, it's case preserving, caseG    insensitive (unless you use the recent per-process flag with ODS-5).   E    C, it's children, and UNIX are case-sensitive primarily because in D    the late 1960s thier inventors didn't know better and didn't knowF    what else to do with thier then new lowercase capable I/O hardware.     >    Now we know better and this late 1960s technology should beH    abandoned.  But in th Ivory Towers thier still teaching C and UNIX as    "modern".   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 06:18:45 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>? Subject: Re: F$SEARCH() complications with mixed case filenames B Message-ID: <1164032325.648461.20550@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:k > In article <1163789338.520774.31350@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > > F > > I couldn't agree more. I think case sensitivity should be outlawedI > > except for "text", quoted strings, and such. What's the big advantage D > > of allowing case-sensitive filenames anyway? I suppose you couldH > > mention it as benefiting non-technical Windows users, but even thereI > > you can't create both a.a and A.A. It allows mixed case without being 9 > > case-sensitive. Interesting. 'Reminds me of ALL-IN-1.  > J >    Windows isn't case sensitive.  Like ODS-5, it's case preserving, caseI >    insensitive (unless you use the recent per-process flag with ODS-5).    Bob,  7 That's what I said. "It allows mixed case without being G case-sensitive." I guess I did a sloppy transition from Unix to Windows - in the above paragraph, but I did clarify it.    AEF   G >    C, it's children, and UNIX are case-sensitive primarily because in F >    the late 1960s thier inventors didn't know better and didn't knowH >    what else to do with thier then new lowercase capable I/O hardware. > @ >    Now we know better and this late 1960s technology should beJ >    abandoned.  But in th Ivory Towers thier still teaching C and UNIX as >    "modern".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:48:21 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Huge Bug in TPU (Capitalize) 8 Message-ID: <40bda$4561a404$cef8887a$19968@TEKSAVVY.COM>  D I realise that the odds of seeing VMS engineers spruce up TPU are=20F unfortunatly low (it hasn't been improved since last century), but....  J If a word is MONT-TREMBLANT   currently TPU's "capitalize" command ses it= =20 / as one word and transforms it to Mont-tremblant   3 The correct capitalisation should be Mont-Tremblant   J (when you work with Qu=E9bec city names, you end up with 90% being hyphen= ated=20 
 :-( :-( :-( )   
 Similarly:  J hello,How are you ? If you capitalise "hello,How" you end up with "Hello,= how"  G So the code should have the smarts to consider the hyphen and normal=20 J punctuation as white space from the point of view of word capitalisation.=    H Or perhaps the engineers should produce an international "capitalise"=20I command (with proper british english spelling :-) which would properly=20 J handle the hyphens and punctuation, while keeping the "capitalize" comman= d=204 unchanged for americans and existing TPU scripts ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:37:43 GMT + From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= ) Subject: Re: Huge Bug in TPU (Capitalize) 2 Message-ID: <Hci8h.23696$E02.9738@newsb.telia.net>  ( I'd be seriously worried if VMS-eng took any notice about this. :-)   Good joke anyway...   
 Best Regards, 	 Jan-Erik.        JF Mezei skrev: D > I realise that the odds of seeing VMS engineers spruce up TPU are H > unfortunatly low (it hasn't been improved since last century), but.... > I > If a word is MONT-TREMBLANT   currently TPU's "capitalize" command ses  4 > it as one word and transforms it to Mont-tremblant > 5 > The correct capitalisation should be Mont-Tremblant  > C > (when you work with Qubec city names, you end up with 90% being   > hyphenated :-( :-( :-( ) >  > Similarly: > D > hello,How are you ? If you capitalise "hello,How" you end up with 
 > "Hello,how"  > G > So the code should have the smarts to consider the hyphen and normal  K > punctuation as white space from the point of view of word capitalisation.  > H > Or perhaps the engineers should produce an international "capitalise" I > command (with proper british english spelling :-) which would properly  E > handle the hyphens and punctuation, while keeping the "capitalize"  > > command unchanged for americans and existing TPU scripts ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:59:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: Huge Bug in TPU (Capitalize) 7 Message-ID: <9e61f$4561c2ae$cef8887a$1487@TEKSAVVY.COM>    Big John wrote:   8 > The trick is to use the eve-supplied command procedure/ > 'eve$add_word_separators'. More specifically,   > eve$add_word_separators ("-"); > in your init eve commands.   Thanks !  F I still think it should be made default though. it shouldn't be up to ' individual users to rewrite TPU/EVE ...   D But at least the above allows to work be more productive right away.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 17:21:47 +0100/ From: huber@NIRWANA-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) ) Subject: Re: Huge Bug in TPU (Capitalize) + Message-ID: <LfaqxBeXg1m6@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   g In article <9e61f$4561c2ae$cef8887a$1487@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > Big John wrote:  > 9 >> The trick is to use the eve-supplied command procedure 0 >> 'eve$add_word_separators'. More specifically,! >> eve$add_word_separators ("-");  >> in your init eve commands.  > H > I still think it should be made default though. it shouldn't be up to ) > individual users to rewrite TPU/EVE ...   & No Sir, Your preferences are not mine.H If e.g. "-" would be a default word-separator, editing files containing H file-names,dates,... would become very ugly: "next word" would jump into) instead after those names containing "-". G Your capitalize case is specific, so handle it specific: if not in Your = customized TPU section, then e.g. in a /command=myprocs file.    --  @    Joseph Huber , Muenchen,Germany:  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:16:10 +0100 4 From: Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com">* Subject: LDdriver V9.0 fieldtest available4 Message-ID: <4561806c$0$329$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>  F LDdriver V9.0 is now available for fieldtest. The major new feature isI Logical Magtape (LM) support, that is to use a file on disk as a magtape.   1 Look here for more info and a pointer to the kit:   )      http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver.html   D Notice that it's a fieldtest, so don't use it on a production systemE right now. It will only work on Alpha and Ia64, VAX is NOT supported.    Jur van der Burg lddriver at digiater dot nl    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:09:29 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com . Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 fieldtest available0 Message-ID: <873b8e2orq.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  6 Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> writes:  E > LDdriver V9.0 is now available for fieldtest. The major new feature E > is Logical Magtape (LM) support, that is to use a file on disk as a 
 > magtape.  % Can you set a size limit on LM units?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:03:38 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)L Subject: Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched2 Message-ID: <06112001033816_2020028F@antinode.org>  ! From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate>   K > Services started and enabled on an Alpha, can connect using FTP, Telnet,  K > web server running etc, scan shows port 22 open, but......I can't make a  
 > connection.  > K > Haven't played with the configuration files at all, would appreciate any   > suggestions.  G    Suggestion 1.  Show the output from "TCPIP SHOW VERSION".  "patched" * means less than you seem to think it does.  H    Suggestion 2.  What means "I can't make a connection."?  What did youD do, from where did you do it, and what happened when you did it?  IfF none of that included "ssh -v", then try something which includes "ssh -v", and publish the results.   H    Suggestion 3.  Disclose whether you were expecting to use public-key,' host-based, or password authentication.   ?    Suggestion 4.  "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/tcpip54.html", F "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rvbua-te/aa-rvbua-te.html".  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:27:47 +1100 ! From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate> L Subject: Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched0 Message-ID: <12m2m7tkcu5bm5a@corp.supernews.com>  ' Just confused would be a good answer :)    1. ECO 5   2. [SYSMGR] > ssh -vH debug: Ssh2/SSH2.C:1847: CRTL version (SYS$SHARE:DECC$SHR.EXE ident) is  V7.3-2-0 0 K debug: SshAppCommon/SSHAPPCOMMON.C:307: Allocating global SshRegex context. H debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:3285: Metaconfig parsing stopped at line 3.L debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:842: Setting variable 'VerboseMode' to 'FALSE'.B debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:3193: Unable to open ssh2/ssh2_configG Type vax2$dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_ssh2.exe -h for help.   * I guess this is where the problem lies....    I 3.  Again, don't know - I was hoping that (according to my readin of the  I manual), it would find that I had no public key and therefore prompt for  ' a password.  It doesn't,  I just get...    warning: Authentication failed. B Disconnected; connection lost (Connection closed by remote host.).  B So, I am not authenticating but neither am I being prompted for a I password - and this is doing an ssh on the alpha where the ssh server is  
 installed.   Cheers   Steven M. Schweda wrote:# > From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate>  > K >>Services started and enabled on an Alpha, can connect using FTP, Telnet,  K >>web server running etc, scan shows port 22 open, but......I can't make a  
 >>connection.  >>K >>Haven't played with the configuration files at all, would appreciate any   >>suggestions. >  > I >    Suggestion 1.  Show the output from "TCPIP SHOW VERSION".  "patched" , > means less than you seem to think it does. > J >    Suggestion 2.  What means "I can't make a connection."?  What did youF > do, from where did you do it, and what happened when you did it?  IfH > none of that included "ssh -v", then try something which includes "ssh > -v", and publish the results.  > J >    Suggestion 3.  Disclose whether you were expecting to use public-key,) > host-based, or password authentication.  > A >    Suggestion 4.  "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/tcpip54.html", H > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rvbua-te/aa-rvbua-te.html". > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:11:48 +1100 ! From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate> L Subject: Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched0 Message-ID: <12m2salrlrpv950@corp.supernews.com>  	 <snipped>   I OK, so I have the manual, reading through the install I can confirm that  ' I have installed the product correctly.   F The keys are created in the system area, I copied the server's public C key to a [.hostkeys] subdir in my sys$login, protection is s:rewd,   o:rwed, g:re, w:r   H Then, according to the manual, "On a connection request, the SSH client ? checks this directory for the appropriate servers host key and 1 proceeds with authentication if the key is found. H   If the file is not found in either the systemwide or account-specific G [.HOSTKEYS] directory, the first time you attempt to connect from your  H client to a remote SSH server, you are prompted to accept a copy of the  servers public host key."  I Um, well no - from the prompt I do ssh nodename and I get the connection  1 refused message.  No password prompt, no nothing.   8 Same behaviour if I *don't* have the [.hostkeys] subdir.  I So, something is broken here - following the manual I can't get past the   install...:(   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:01:10 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> L Subject: Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched9 Message-ID: <vuudnR27RN5z4fzYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Gremlin wrote:) > Just confused would be a good answer :)  > 
 > 1. ECO 5 >  > 2. [SYSMGR] > ssh -vJ > debug: Ssh2/SSH2.C:1847: CRTL version (SYS$SHARE:DECC$SHR.EXE ident) is 
 > V7.3-2-0 > 0 M > debug: SshAppCommon/SSHAPPCOMMON.C:307: Allocating global SshRegex context. J > debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:3285: Metaconfig parsing stopped at line 3.F > debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:842: Setting variable 'VerboseMode' to 
 > 'FALSE'.D > debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:3193: Unable to open ssh2/ssh2_config  F I don't use this stuff, so I may be far off on this.  The first thing I that comes to mind is that either there is a missing file, or, you don't  ' have the privilege of opening the file.   I > Type vax2$dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_ssh2.exe -h for help.  > , > I guess this is where the problem lies.... >  > K > 3.  Again, don't know - I was hoping that (according to my readin of the  K > manual), it would find that I had no public key and therefore prompt for  ) > a password.  It doesn't,  I just get...  > ! > warning: Authentication failed. D > Disconnected; connection lost (Connection closed by remote host.). > D > So, I am not authenticating but neither am I being prompted for a K > password - and this is doing an ssh on the alpha where the ssh server is   > installed. >  > Cheers >  > Steven M. Schweda wrote:$ >> From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate> >>E >>> Services started and enabled on an Alpha, can connect using FTP,  H >>> Telnet, web server running etc, scan shows port 22 open, but......I  >>> can't make a connection. >>> I >>> Haven't played with the configuration files at all, would appreciate   >>> any suggestions. >> >>J >>    Suggestion 1.  Show the output from "TCPIP SHOW VERSION".  "patched"- >> means less than you seem to think it does.  >>K >>    Suggestion 2.  What means "I can't make a connection."?  What did you G >> do, from where did you do it, and what happened when you did it?  If I >> none of that included "ssh -v", then try something which includes "ssh   >> -v", and publish the results. >>K >>    Suggestion 3.  Disclose whether you were expecting to use public-key, * >> host-based, or password authentication. >>B >>    Suggestion 4.  "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/tcpip54.html",I >> "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rvbua-te/aa-rvbua-te.html".  >>K >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------  >>6 >>    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org7 >>    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818   >>    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:55:42 +1100 ! From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate> L Subject: Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched0 Message-ID: <12m32ddfjbsrfdc@corp.supernews.com>   Hi All  E It is very frustrating - TCP/IP works fine out of the box, this is a   real trial....  F Have already stopped/disabled SSH, re-enabled/restarted and recreated E the keys, then shutdown and restarted SSH service, still at the same  	 point....   A All this to remove VPN overhead when ftping files to the alpha!!!    Jack Patteeuw wrote:I > First, most pf the stuff about TCP/IP is probably a red herring.  Your   > problem is SHH, not TCP/IP.  > J > I don't have manuals in front of me and once this stop is working, well , > it's working and you never touch it again. > J > It sounds like you need to re-create the system specific key.  The part I > the the "fine manual" that you are quoting from has to do with the end   > user accepting that key. > J > Perhaps you need to stop and start SSH so that it pick ups the server's 
 > public key.  >  > Jack > E > P.S. SSH works great on Alpha VMS and even does X through a VPN to   > PuTTY/Exceed on a PC ! >  > Gremlin wrote: >  >> <snipped> >>G >> OK, so I have the manual, reading through the install I can confirm  / >> that I have installed the product correctly.  >>I >> The keys are created in the system area, I copied the server's public  F >> key to a [.hostkeys] subdir in my sys$login, protection is s:rewd,  >> o:rwed, g:re, w:r >>D >> Then, according to the manual, "On a connection request, the SSH I >> client checks this directory for the appropriate servers host key and 4 >> proceeds with authentication if the key is found.J >>  If the file is not found in either the systemwide or account-specific J >> [.HOSTKEYS] directory, the first time you attempt to connect from your G >> client to a remote SSH server, you are prompted to accept a copy of  ! >> the servers public host key."  >>A >> Um, well no - from the prompt I do ssh nodename and I get the  ? >> connection refused message.  No password prompt, no nothing.  >>; >> Same behaviour if I *don't* have the [.hostkeys] subdir.  >>H >> So, something is broken here - following the manual I can't get past  >> the install...:(    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:53:51 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)L Subject: Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched2 Message-ID: <06112010535141_2020028F@antinode.org>  ! From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate>   @    People with names tend to get more help than those with none.   > 2. [SYSMGR] > ssh -v > [...]   E    "ssh -v host_name" would tell us more.  The messages from a _bare_ % "ssh -v" command are not very useful.   K > 3.  Again, don't know - I was hoping that (according to my readin of the  K > manual), it would find that I had no public key and therefore prompt for  ) > a password.  It doesn't,  I just get...  > ! > warning: Authentication failed. D > Disconnected; connection lost (Connection closed by remote host.). > D > So, I am not authenticating but neither am I being prompted for a K > password - and this is doing an ssh on the alpha where the ssh server is   > installed.  F    It might help to know what your local host and remote host are.  InI my (limited) experience, this stuff behaves approximately as documented.  E That is, I've gotten the password prompt(s) when other authentication 
 methods fail.     G > The keys are created in the system area, I copied the server's public D > key to a [.hostkeys] subdir in my sys$login, protection is s:rewd, > o:rwed, g:re, w:r   H    The [.hostkeys] directory should be [.ssh2.hostkeys] under SYS$LOGIN,@ and the SSH software should hanlde that one on its own.  And theH typical protection of the files therein is "(RWD,RWD,,)", and there is aH non-obvious naming convention for them ("KEY_22_SHELL_VISI_COM.PUB", forC example, for "shell.visi.com"), so it's probably best not to fiddle  around in there.  J > Um, well no - from the prompt I do ssh nodename and I get the connection3 > refused message.  No password prompt, no nothing.   C    And what is at "nodename", and what, exactly, is the message?  A E "connection refused message" normally means that there's no server at B the other end.  Other messages normally mean other things.  ActualH messages generally mean more than vague descriptions of actual messages.      Things which might help:   ;       0. Cleaning out any spurious [.hostkeys] directories.   G       1. Descriptions of the two systems, local and remote.  (So far, I < know that one of them is a VMS system, which is not enough.)  9       2. A transcript of an "ssh -v remote_host" session.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:51:07 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> L Subject: Re: Problem connecting to SSH, OpenVMS7.3-2, HP TCP/IP v5.4 patched9 Message-ID: <OtudnWcBO8GJdvzYnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@libcom.com>    Gremlin wrote:	 > Hi Dave  > H > I thought about the permissions, but then the account I am running it I > from (for testing purposes only) has proc/priv=all so I can read/write   > everything.... >  > Dave Froble wrote: >> Gremlin wrote:  >>+ >>> Just confused would be a good answer :)  >>>  >>> 1. ECO 5 >>>  >>> 2. [SYSMGR] > ssh -vI >>> debug: Ssh2/SSH2.C:1847: CRTL version (SYS$SHARE:DECC$SHR.EXE ident)   >>> is V7.3-2-0  >>> 0 G >>> debug: SshAppCommon/SSHAPPCOMMON.C:307: Allocating global SshRegex   >>> context.L >>> debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:3285: Metaconfig parsing stopped at line 3.H >>> debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:842: Setting variable 'VerboseMode' to  >>> 'FALSE'.F >>> debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:3193: Unable to open ssh2/ssh2_config  H Well then, is there a config?  I'd guess that without being able to get G config data, the product will not work.  "Unable to open" seems pretty   clear.   >> >>I >> I don't use this stuff, so I may be far off on this.  The first thing  F >> that comes to mind is that either there is a missing file, or, you 0 >> don't have the privilege of opening the file. >>K >>> Type vax2$dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_ssh2.exe -h for help.  >>> . >>> I guess this is where the problem lies.... >>>  >>> I >>> 3.  Again, don't know - I was hoping that (according to my readin of  F >>> the manual), it would find that I had no public key and therefore 6 >>> prompt for a password.  It doesn't,  I just get... >>> # >>> warning: Authentication failed. F >>> Disconnected; connection lost (Connection closed by remote host.). >>> F >>> So, I am not authenticating but neither am I being prompted for a J >>> password - and this is doing an ssh on the alpha where the ssh server  >>> is installed.  >>> 
 >>> Cheers >>>  >>> Steven M. Schweda wrote: >>> & >>>> From: Gremlin <not.here@all.mate> >>>>G >>>>> Services started and enabled on an Alpha, can connect using FTP,  J >>>>> Telnet, web server running etc, scan shows port 22 open, but......I  >>>>> can't make a connection. >>>>> @ >>>>> Haven't played with the configuration files at all, would ! >>>>> appreciate any suggestions.  >>>> >>>> >>>>L >>>>    Suggestion 1.  Show the output from "TCPIP SHOW VERSION".  "patched"/ >>>> means less than you seem to think it does.  >>>>J >>>>    Suggestion 2.  What means "I can't make a connection."?  What did  >>>> youI >>>> do, from where did you do it, and what happened when you did it?  If K >>>> none of that included "ssh -v", then try something which includes "ssh " >>>> -v", and publish the results. >>>>B >>>>    Suggestion 3.  Disclose whether you were expecting to use  >>>> public-key,, >>>> host-based, or password authentication. >>>>D >>>>    Suggestion 4.  "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/tcpip54.html",K >>>> "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rvbua-te/aa-rvbua-te.html".  >>>>N >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------  >>>> >>>>8 >>>>    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org9 >>>>    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 " >>>>    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547 >> >> >>     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 08:02:33 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: Purpose of uppercasing a RUN command ? 3 Message-ID: <8V8iayk0cS9p@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <ntJAFReJFwf+@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > G > And there's the niggling problem that the reference to "DELETE" would H > need to be protected before using "$ DELETE /SYMBOL".  And if you wereJ > going to do "$ DELETE :=" then you might as well save yourself a line of  > code and simply do "$ SET :="   B    Since DELETE is more than four characters, you can simply add a@    character or more to make sure you don't catch a symbol.  And>    f$type() will tell you if you need to bother.  Then you can<    use SET SYMBOL/SCOPE and not worry about everything else.  B    All of which is a bit more work than using "SET :==".  (What ifD    IF, THEN, ... are symbols, I'd be using them with f$type()?)  So 1    is this, or can this be, documented somewhere?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:07:20 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 3 Subject: Re: Purpose of uppercasing a RUN command ? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-883BE9.18072020112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <8V8iayk0cS9p@eisner.encompasserve.org>, =  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   O > In article <ntJAFReJFwf+@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org  	 > writes:  > > I > > And there's the niggling problem that the reference to "DELETE" would J > > need to be protected before using "$ DELETE /SYMBOL".  And if you wereL > > going to do "$ DELETE :=" then you might as well save yourself a line of" > > code and simply do "$ SET :="  > D >    Since DELETE is more than four characters, you can simply add aB >    character or more to make sure you don't catch a symbol.  And@ >    f$type() will tell you if you need to bother.  Then you can> >    use SET SYMBOL/SCOPE and not worry about everything else. > D >    All of which is a bit more work than using "SET :==".  (What ifF >    IF, THEN, ... are symbols, I'd be using them with f$type()?)  So 3 >    is this, or can this be, documented somewhere?   ? This is what VMSINSTAL does (though not all in the same place):    $delete = "delete" $delete/symbol/global/all   E But that can be a pain in the neck, since you lose symbols set up in   your login procedure(s).  F PS If you look at line 6 of VMSINSTAL.COM, a different setting for IF @ would throw a spanner in the works, but that would kill so many < procedures that it's unlikely to be there in the real world.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:15:27 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)7 Subject: Re: Question: Can anyone write device drivers/ - Message-ID: <3Mi8h.29$A%6.59@news.oracle.com>   < Editing the SYS$CONFIG.DAT file to make the system recognize> one adaptor because it seems similar to another adaptor is not6 a good thing to do (for fairly large values of "NOT").  F Many Adaptec controllers appear similar, but they are all sufficientlyC different that trying to trick the existing drivers into using them D is asking for trouble.  You may get the device to configure, and youH may even get it to recognize the attached disk drives, and it might evenH seem to use them correctly for a while.  But if the adaptors were reallyF identical, the configuration file would probably already have an entry	 for them.   B [And in case you're wondering: yes, I've actually tried this usingC an Adaptec controller that was supported on other operating systems  but not OpenVMS.]   B Also, asking the system to use an adaptor with a firmware revisionC below that which was tested is also asking for trouble.  You should C at lest go to the Adaptec web site and see if there is a utility to C upgrade the firmware.  I know they supply this for at least some of G their adaptors.  I also know from experience that for at least a couple F of models of adaptors they supply utilities and/or firmware to convertF adaptors from one platform or OS to another [I've done this to get the; PC versions of one adaptor to run on my Macintosh at home.]   G Unless the ONLY thing that separates one adaptor from another is really E and truly just the model number, it's much cheaper in the long run to F buy a controller that's supported by OpenVMS, and a lot safer as well.  C Writing a device driver for OpenVMS can be fairly easy (for someone E with experience in the area): or it can be quite difficult, depending C on the device.  My strictly unofficial and off-hand opinion is that G the more advanced Adaptec controllers tend to be quite complicated, and C are more difficult to write good device drivers for than some other A types of devices.  What is more important is TESTING the results. M Properly load testing a SCSI adaptor with all of the possible configurations, D multiple devices busy simultaniously, etc., and getting it up to theE quality standards of OpenVMS is not easy, and it takes quite a bit of F time, expertise, and equipment.  If you only need a few adaptors, it'sF cheaper to buy a supported unit than to support your own from scratch.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:56:01 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: Question: Can anyone write device drivers/ 9 Message-ID: <OtudnWYBO8GkcfzYnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bart Z. Lederman wrote: > > Editing the SYS$CONFIG.DAT file to make the system recognize@ > one adaptor because it seems similar to another adaptor is not8 > a good thing to do (for fairly large values of "NOT"). > H > Many Adaptec controllers appear similar, but they are all sufficientlyE > different that trying to trick the existing drivers into using them F > is asking for trouble.  You may get the device to configure, and youJ > may even get it to recognize the attached disk drives, and it might evenJ > seem to use them correctly for a while.  But if the adaptors were reallyH > identical, the configuration file would probably already have an entry > for them.  > D > [And in case you're wondering: yes, I've actually tried this usingE > an Adaptec controller that was supported on other operating systems  > but not OpenVMS.]  > D > Also, asking the system to use an adaptor with a firmware revisionE > below that which was tested is also asking for trouble.  You should E > at lest go to the Adaptec web site and see if there is a utility to E > upgrade the firmware.  I know they supply this for at least some of I > their adaptors.  I also know from experience that for at least a couple H > of models of adaptors they supply utilities and/or firmware to convertH > adaptors from one platform or OS to another [I've done this to get the= > PC versions of one adaptor to run on my Macintosh at home.]  > I > Unless the ONLY thing that separates one adaptor from another is really G > and truly just the model number, it's much cheaper in the long run to H > buy a controller that's supported by OpenVMS, and a lot safer as well. > E > Writing a device driver for OpenVMS can be fairly easy (for someone G > with experience in the area): or it can be quite difficult, depending E > on the device.  My strictly unofficial and off-hand opinion is that I > the more advanced Adaptec controllers tend to be quite complicated, and E > are more difficult to write good device drivers for than some other C > types of devices.  What is more important is TESTING the results. O > Properly load testing a SCSI adaptor with all of the possible configurations, F > multiple devices busy simultaniously, etc., and getting it up to theG > quality standards of OpenVMS is not easy, and it takes quite a bit of H > time, expertise, and equipment.  If you only need a few adaptors, it'sH > cheaper to buy a supported unit than to support your own from scratch.   Very good advice.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 07:22:26 -0800% From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> - Subject: Recon-X or similar product for VMS ? C Message-ID: <1164036146.234818.176950@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    hi,   ) is s/o aware of a product such as Recon-X 6 http://www.starnet.com/news/20051010.htm for OpenVMS ?   TIA, Pierre.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:34:56 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>2 Subject: Re: remove purged files marked for delete) Message-ID: <ejsp00$2cb5$2@pyrite.mv.net>    jbigboote wrote:H > Apologies, upon further investigation, there was an unexpected process9 > that was still using the files. killing it and doing an ) > analyze/disk/repair freed up the space. ) > HP support could have suggested this...   F    What was the process that was holding the file open?  One of yours?  ,    PS: have you seen John Smallberries?  :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 06:14:58 -0800! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> ( Subject: Re: Strategies for time offsetsC Message-ID: <1164032098.380968.327030@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C All delta times are positive. The sign bit indicates that this is a E delta time (number of time units) or an absolute time (number of time  units since 17-NOV-1858 00:00).   C You could choose a different format e.g to store an offset from UTC F could be done as a signed number of 1/2 hour units and held in a byte.  A you could the the 128 bit UTC format for which there are some RTL 	 routines.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 08:23:27 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Strategies for time offsets3 Message-ID: <PIQWqr8TTvcZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <7d790$4561ac58$cef8887a$26974@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:I > In VMS time, the sign of the time quadword indicates whether this is a  1 > delta time (-) or an absolute time (+). Right ?  > H > Is there some technique that would allow me to do something like this: > / > $descriptor(sydney_GMT_offset,"+0 11:00:00"); 1 > $descriptor(montreal_GMT_offset,"-0 05:00:00");  > # > do the sys$bintim (or equivalent)  > D > And then, in the core of the program, I would simply need to do a M > LIB$ADD_TIMES (or whatever) and not have to worry about whether the offset   > is negative or positive.  E    I think you're going to have to do all your times according to the C    VMS convention, then choose LIB$ADD_TIMES or LIB$SUB_TIMES to do     the +/- offsets.   B    Or use the C RTL if you can deal with only 1970 - 2037, or find    some other standard.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:24:56 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>( Subject: Re: Strategies for time offsets) Message-ID: <ejsrtp$2d6t$1@pyrite.mv.net>    JF Mezei wrote:   I > In VMS time, the sign of the time quadword indicates whether this is a  1 > delta time (-) or an absolute time (+). Right ?   H    The stored quadword value is a negative value for a positive offset. H   There isn't a mechanism for a negative delta time within the quadword D storage, though applications are certainly free to stuff a sign bit  somewhere (else).   E    The OpenVMS quadword time format is not something I would tend to  H implement in new code (particularly for storage), unless the code needs G to maintain it for compatibility, or the format was part of formatting  D or other such operation.  The (opaque) UTC format is often a better G choice here, particularly when dealing with the storage of time values.   B    The OpenVMS quadword time format and the delta time scheme was F certainly a good idea way back in 1976-1978, but there are better (or I different) ways to do this sort of thing now.  If the quadword wasn't so  H embedded in OpenVMS and within static storage and file structures and...    H > Is there some technique that would allow me to do something like this: > / > $descriptor(sydney_GMT_offset,"+0 11:00:00"); 1 > $descriptor(montreal_GMT_offset,"-0 05:00:00");   F    $DESCRIPTOR would help with the C macro I expect you're aiming for G here, but I'd tend to use the DECdts (directly or indirectly) or other  H mechanism to maintain a UTC value and timezones as offsets.  I'll leave H somebody else to mention that UTC and GMT aren't the same thing.  Well, H then again, technically, they are the same thing, give or take a second  or so.  # > do the sys$bintim (or equivalent)  > D > And then, in the core of the program, I would simply need to do a F > LIB$ADD_TIMES (or whatever) and not have to worry about whether the ! > offset is negative or positive.   E    True.  You would need to worry about whether or not the offset is  E correct, however.  These offsets vary by time of year, these offsets  I vary by year going back in time, and vary by the whim of whatever entity  A has a perceived need to adjust the offsets going forward in time.   G    I've certainly used lib$sub_times and lib$add_times over the years.  F lib$addx and lib$subx also work (and these RTL calls have been around G for comparative eons), but do look at the sign bits when you use these  E calls -- you might need to use lib$subx to add values, for instance.  G With OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64 systems and compilers, you can also  H use the compiler-integrated math operations; the built in quadword math.    K > I am thinking it might be easier to just convert everything to unix time  H > in seconds, at which point I can play with the sign in the offset and K > not have to worry about whether I should add or subtract the offset from  4 > the time value to get the current time over there.  G    If given a choice and the opportunity, I'd tend to maintain and use  H UTC timekeeping.  UTC-format text strings for external interchange, and & the opaque value for internal storage.  F    FWIW, the Unix epoch is 1-Jan-1970 to 19-Jan-2038, or through 2106 # for unsigned values and operations.   H    NTP itself has a transition slightly ahead of that date; in 2036, as + the next NTP era arrives during 8-Feb-2036.     J > The disadvantage of going to the Unix time is all the added overhead of A > converting it back to traditional VMS time/date display format.   E    I'd suggest optimizing these sorts of coding cases later.  If you  G need to.  It is very likely that the overhead of a few math operations  H will be entirely lost in the noise.  It is also likely that getting the G translation right and (better) foisting the effort off onto the system  H libraries is preferable to the effort of getting this translation right E in your own code, and then maintaining the timezones.  Barring cases  C where this timezone stuff is the bulk of the operation and there's  I nothing else around consuming more cycles or wallclock time -- I/O tends  H to be my go-to example here for massive overhead -- I'd tend to look to G optimize this math stuff and any associated system call overhead later.   F > The other thing I just thought of is to check the first byte of the I > string for + or -, then pass only the remainder to SYS$BINTIM. I would  J > then set the lowest order bit of the quadword to 1 of it is positive or K > 0 of negative. The routine that calculates the time would then check the  H > low order bit to decide if one should add or subtract.  I assume that C > the lowest order bit is inconsequantial for any time value whose  = > resolution is within seconds ? This would really be a hack.  >  > Any other suggestions ?   C    Specific calls of interest are the C timezone calls, UTC system  A service calls in OpenVMS, and my favorite hidden gem, the DECdts  H timezone libraries.  These timezone libraries are present on any system F with DECnet-Plus installed, and on all OpenVMS Alpha systems V7.3 and G later, and on all OpenVMS VAX systems.  See the V8.2 and later OpenVMS  = Utility Routines Manual for details on the UTC-related calls.   C    With time values in UTC, apply or set the timezone, and use the  I returned value as the offset, and then get the time into whatever format  F you need.  (As I mentioned earlier, the UTC binary values are opaque, @ but they also tend to have all the ancillary details that avoid = time-related maintenance and conversion and display problems.   G    I fully expect a few folks will discover embedded time and timezone  I errors in their local application code next year, when the US enjoys its  I first nationwide timezone-level changes in the professional lifetimes of  G many of the programmers.  IIRC, the last changes in this area occurred  G in the 1970s and 1980s -- except for a few changes at the local level,  B the timezones and the daylight saving time (DST) settings haven't E changed in roughly a quarter-century.  These folks coded in the same  I basic approach you're looking to code here.  The Australians -- my other  D go-to example for frequent timezone changes -- have changed the DST G switch-overs twice in recent years, once for the Olympics and once for  $ the Commonwealth Games.  Maybe more?  F    If you're in UTC, get the offset from it for the target timezones, H and convert from UTC to that localized value.  You can run your math on H UTC (either directly, or using the DECdts or OpenVMS UTC system service E calls), and save the timezone-adjusted values for display to humans.  H It's a whole lot easier to maintain (internally) UTC values, too, as it C saves needing to know the when and where to get the value of when,  6 before you can use the when to get the local when. :-)      
 Some URLs:  R http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/4493/4493pro_contents_001.html#toc_chapter_9& http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem: http://www.hoffmanlabs.com/vmsfaq/vmsfaq_004.html#faq_time    H I'll leave you to decide if you want to deal with Unununium-format Time.  F It's time (pun intended) to add a discussion of another set of TZ ECO D kits (and the TZ ECO kits in general) into the discussion of the US F Uniform Time Act of 1966 (15 U.S.C 260a(a)), as amended by the Energy E Policy Act of 2005 present in the OpenVMS FAQ, but that's fodder for  & another thread and another discussion.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 08:39:34 -0800% From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> % Subject: volume shadowing over LAVC ? A Message-ID: <1164040774.714175.29520@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    hi,   E is it possible to do volume shadowing over LAVC without HSx controler ( (let say with local disk on each node) ?   TIA, Pierre.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:29:08 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>) Subject: Re: volume shadowing over LAVC ? ) Message-ID: <ejss5l$2d77$1@pyrite.mv.net>   
 Pierre wrote:   G > is it possible to do volume shadowing over LAVC without HSx controler * > (let say with local disk on each node) ?      Yes.   B    Things to consider: V7.3-2 has dissimilar device shadowing and B dynamic volume expansion, which (together) makes mixing different H devices and upgrading to newer and larger devices rather easier.  Prior I to DDS/DVE, the disk devices involved in host-based volume shadowing had  ( to be the same number of logical blocks.  H    Also consider how big your network pipe is (bandwidth), and how fast F your disks are.  VAX shadowing over VAX-era SCSI over a 10BASE (slow) F network is functional, but it'll take a while for a full disk copy to  finish.   F    There's a whole manual on the topic of host-based volume shadowing + available in the OpenVMS documentation set.   %    <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc>    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 06:02:10 -0800! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> $ Subject: Re: wanted microvax 3100/98C Message-ID: <1164031330.552117.214690@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Try asking in the forums on  http://fr.openvms.org/  < as you are more likely to get people local to where you are.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2006 08:03:40 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) F Subject: Re: What layered products are important for a VAX VMS system?3 Message-ID: <sJnrGWBoW8pz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <paul.sture.nospam-B52EF9.18334617112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes: > H > You could bash in the documentation with something more reliable, and * > sort out the "Word format" bit later on.  D    Exactly the point of using OpenOffice (more than just word, there-    is a standard for which fonts, ... I use).    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:19:51 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> Subject: Re: Who called me? 1 Message-ID: <rIj8h.2718$2_.2469@news.cpqcorp.net>    bryan.s.a@gmail.com wrote:   > 4 > The latest information I have is a suggestion thatH > LIB$GET_CURR_INVO_CONTEXT may be what I need although I haven't so farH > been able to take the results from this call and come up with the name > of any module.6 > Presumably I would need to make a subsequent call toI > LIB$GET_PREV_INVO_CONTEXT to get the module name of the calling module.  >   C The LIB$ calling standard routines by themselves will not return a  9 string containing the name of the routine who called you.   I Look in the V8.3 documentation, Utilities RTL Manual, Chapter 21 for the  G TBK$I64_SYMBOLIZE and TBK$ALPHA_SYMBOLIZE routines.  There are several  F complete examples that show how to obtain the name you want (assuming + they were compiled/linked with /TRACEBACK).      --   John Reagan 5 HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO/COBOL for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:33:01 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org> Subject: Re: Who called me? ) Message-ID: <ejsose$2cb5$1@pyrite.mv.net>    bryan.s.a@gmail.com wrote:  H > My preference would be to see a post of code to obtain the module name1 > in a variable although any help is appreciated.   H    Would you like all the module and call stack information (the entire E run-time context, whatever symbols are available, etc) stored into a  H file?  From that file, you can then do whatever you want with the text, E of course.  That file is feasible in exactly one line of code, using  I only supported interfaces, and it's portable across all three platforms,  F and most any available OpenVMS version, and it's easily customizable, E and it works (more or less) as well whether compiled and linked with  D traceback as not (for whatever information is present in the image).  F    It'll take a few extra lines of code and a very little work to get H the information loaded into the application without using the file, but F you can (obviously and easily ) pick a unique filename at run-time to B reduce the changes of collisions should there be parallel logging I activities running.  Or you could likely get the information loaded into  
 a mailbox.  1    Would this line of code be of interest to you?   G    [Yes, I'm switching my approach to answering this question here, as  G I'm inferring that my previous approach here wasn't providing you with   what you wanted.]    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.639 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        decus/freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/wand.f
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed. 
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,176), <<< CWD /freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/wwwJ >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/www.
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.1 >>> 226 Transfer completed.g
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,177)0 <<< CWD /freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/www/apiN >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/www/api.
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started. >>> 226 Transfer completed.s
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,178)5 <<< CWD /freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/www/magick__eS >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/www/magick__.f
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed. 
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,179)3 <<< CWD /freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/www/sourcemQ >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/imagemagick-6_2_8/www/source.l
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.g >>> 226 Transfer completed.1
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,180) <<< CWD /freewarev80/imgid: >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/imgid.
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed.V
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,181)! <<< CWD /freewarev80/infoservers? >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/infoserver.m
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.  >>> 226 Transfer completed. 
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,182)$ <<< CWD /freewarev80/internet-menuB >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/internet-menu.
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.s >>> 226 Transfer completed.m
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,183)  <<< CWD /freewarev80/invisible> >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/invisible.
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.i >>> 226 Transfer completed.r
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,184) <<< CWD /freewarev80/itemlistv= >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/itemlist.a
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.> >>> 226 Transfer completed. 
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,185) <<< CWD /freewarev80/jed8 >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/jed.
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.< >>> 226 Transfer completed.i
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,186)! <<< CWD /freewarev80/job_daemon? >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/job_daemon./
 <<< LIST >>> 150 List started.I >>> 226 Transfer completed.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,187) <<< CWD /freewarev80/joblog; >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/joblog.e
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 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,188) <<< CWD /freewarev80/jumpW9 >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev80/jump.s
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 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,189) <<< CWD /freewarev80/keys89 >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/