1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 24 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 646       Contents:. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good !- Re: Batch Queue Jobs Stuck In Starting Status - Re: Batch Queue Jobs Stuck In Starting Status - Re: Batch Queue Jobs Stuck In Starting Status - Re: Batch Queue Jobs Stuck In Starting Status ! Re: Educational VMS IA64 licenses " Re: I can't install the LDAP login$ Re: Is HP trying to kill VMS again ?$ Re: Is HP trying to kill VMS again ? Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support  Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support  Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support  Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support  Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support  Re: OpenVMS Clustering Question  Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar  Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar  RE: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar  Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar  Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar  Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar 1 Re: SYSTEM-F-INFSMEM, insufficient dynamic memory 1 Re: SYSTEM-F-INFSMEM, insufficient dynamic memory - Re: The Register and Gartner on Itanium sales 2 Re: Using SYS$INPUT for input into an FTP command., Re: Western Dayligh Time. Starts in 12 days!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:07:02 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> 7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! 5 Message-ID: <slrnemc3bm.5bi.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   \ In article <4566081e$0$49206$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: > Beach Runner wrote: E >> As much as I love VMS, it is the least secure OS out there at this  >> time.  H Nah, not even close. I had a colleague at work whom got hacked literally0 halfway during his installation of Windows 2000.  G With others, I've seen severely hacked machines after they installed an : UNIX/UNIX-like OS and then didn't bother to ever patch it.  @ While I wouldn't recommend not keeping a VMS system periodicallyA patched, I think I could sleep at night knowing it was still in a @ default configuration, even if exposed to the big, bad Internet.  B From what I can see, OpenVMS's default installation is equal to orE better than OpenBSD (which is considered to be one of the most secure  UNIX OSes).   H For instance, a default OpenBSD has had only one remote vulnerability inG an out-of-box setup for the base OS in the past 10 years. VMS is either D 0 or 1 on that point. (Issues are usually with apps, rather than the	 base OS.)   G As a counterpoint... IBM's AIX has an unbelievable number of holes, all @ because many of the original developer didn't use bounded stringF functions and didn't bother making a wrapper either. So there has beenG an amazing number of buffer overflows for privilege escalation with all  sorts of OS-supplied utilities.   @ Security also encompasses other areas, such as an integrated andG centralized authentication mechanism. UNIX _now_ approximates this with ) PAM... VMS had its own stuff long before.   H Security also includes resource controls. VMS, like many mainframe OSes,A has excellent, coherent, and well integrated and managed resource F controls. UNIX has had this rather haphazardly -- now it has many moreB knobs for resource controls but it's often still not well managed,G integrated, or common amongst various OSes or even distributions of the  same OS.  E Seriously, VMS is not _even_ close as a grossly insecure setup out of F the box. I'm not ordinarily a Windows administrator so I don't want toG spread FUD but I think it's got a well deserved poor reputation in this G area to date. With UNIX, well, it varies but this is also where I often 1 see compromises with unpatched out-of-box setups.   F >> User names and Pass words are STILL to this day sent in plain text. > + > VMS does not send usernames and password.    What about DECnet?  G With that said, yes, that's correct for the fact that it's applications 5 that usually does this. E.g. telnet, FTP and friends.    -Dan   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2006 11:14:46 -08000 From: "Andrew Butchart" <andrew@floatingbear.ca>6 Subject: Re: Batch Queue Jobs Stuck In Starting StatusB Message-ID: <1164309286.054978.178130@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:  > ----- Original Message ----- <snip> >Is itN > possible that you have some program(s) out there trying to do something withI > the queue files directly? Or maybe some programs that are trying to use  > $SNDJBC incorrectly? >  > Peter Weaver > www.weaverconsulting.ca : > CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail  F There doesn't appear to be anything.  I've only been working with thisG code for about 3 years - and don't know of anything that could possibly 0 have a reason to manipulate the queues directly.   Andrew B   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2006 11:31:02 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com 6 Subject: Re: Batch Queue Jobs Stuck In Starting StatusB Message-ID: <1164310262.177549.11570@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   andrew@floatingbear.ca wrote: G > We are running an Alpha and OpenVMS V7.1 and have for many years.  We I > occasionally have problems with job syncronization where the job we are I > waiting for ends and the sycronize job just keeps waiting.  The process  > that is running is QUEMAN.  F There could be some timing issues in these batch jobs.  I.e. Batch jobF FOO starts and re-submits itself for tomorrow.  Batch job BAR wants toC SYNC on FOO, but executes the SYNC after FOO resubmits itself.  The 4 SYNC is waiting on tomorrows run, not on todays run.  F The stuck in "Starting" is a little more tricky.  My guess is there isG a resource limitation causing the queue manager to not be able to start C the next job.  Something like PROCESSLIMIT or soemthing in the UAF.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2006 13:25:17 -08000 From: "Andrew Butchart" <andrew@floatingbear.ca>6 Subject: Re: Batch Queue Jobs Stuck In Starting StatusB Message-ID: <1164317117.830937.75400@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  <snip>K > I seem to recall in a distant memory having the same problem once. (while Q > merging two systems' batch queues).  As I recall, it was queue manager related.  > L > Make sure you don't have a partitioned queue manager (where node 1 has itsL > own database and node 2 has its own identical database and both have their > own queue manager).  > K > Try a SHOW QUEUE/MANAGER/FULL on every node in your cluster and make sure  > they all agree.   E We have two nodes in the cluster (production and test) but they don't 0 share queues or pass jobs back and forth at all.   Andrew B   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:28:34 -0500 3 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> 6 Subject: Re: Batch Queue Jobs Stuck In Starting Status6 Message-ID: <06a101c70f4e$b70cbec0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>   >...G > We have two nodes in the cluster (production and test) but they don't 2 > share queues or pass jobs back and forth at all. >...  J That may be part of your problem. According to section 11.4.2 of the V8.3 I Guidelines for OpenVMS Cluster Configurations "Every OpenVMS Cluster has  K only one QMAN$MASTER.DAT file. Multiple queue managers are defined through  J multiple *.QMAN$QUEUES and *.QMAN$JOURNAL files." I would not want to try 3 using different QMAN$MASTER.DAT files in a cluster.    Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca 8 CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 18:48:15 -0500 F From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>* Subject: Re: Educational VMS IA64 licenses3 Message-ID: <YSr7h.63$x9.36@bignews3.bellsouth.net>    Malcolm   ' You know we have ES45's going cheap !?!   	 Call me !       8 "Malcolm Dunnett" <dunnett@mala.bc.ca> wrote in message  news:455e2fa0@flight... F > First of all, thank you to the folks who added IA64 licenses to the  > openvmsedu website.  > M > Unfortunately I downloaded one of these (OPENVMS-I64-EDUOE) onto my RX2600  L > running VMS 8.3 but it doesn't appear to be recognized, I get the "no VMS ) > license active" errors when I boot VMS.  > M > I presume VMS doesn't know to check for the "EDUOE" type license, is there   > a patch to enable this?  >    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2006 18:59:15 +01006 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: I can't install the LDAP login , Message-ID: <455e0683$1@news.langstoeger.at>  N In article <455df394$1@flight>, "Malcolm Dunnett" <dunnett@mala.bc.ca> writes:D >I'm trying to install the LDAP enabled login on VMS 8.3 Alpha ( as = >documented in section 3.9 of the release notes and the file  N >ACME_DEV_README.TXT ). When I get to the point of installing the LDAP agent,  >ie: > ! >PRODUCT INSTALL V83_ACMELDAP_STD  >  >I get the error:  > J >%PCSI-E-APPLYTOERR, maintenance product DEC AXPVMS V83_ACMELDAP_STD V1.1 + >applies to a product that is not installed K >-PCSI-E-APPLYTOPRD, prerequisite product is DEC AXPVMS VMS (version above   >V8.3)  F Here it requests a VMS version above V8.3? What version could this be?  # >%PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failed  >  >$PRODUCT SHOW HIST reveals: > M >DEC AXPVMS VMS V8.3                  Oper System Install     (U) 14-NOV-2006  > ' >So what is INSTALL complaining about?    N About a requirement you can't satisfy, so I assume, there is a bug in the kit.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2006 20:44:17 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> - Subject: Re: Is HP trying to kill VMS again ? C Message-ID: <1164343457.111004.150380@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Syltrem wrote:D > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote in messageW > news:rdeininger-2111062359570001@dialup-4.233.149.223.dial1.manchester1.level3.net... > > > In article <12m6r7djjvb181a@corp.supernews.com>, "Syltrem"% > > <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote:  > > > > >>We are getting pricing submissions for an Integrity server > >>F > >>On an rx3600 2 CPU, 2 cores each, HP charges 4 Unlimited Users VMS > >>licenses > >>+ 4 VMScluster licenses  > >>M > >>I end up paying the software twice the price of the cost of the hardware. N > >>And they say Integrity prices are going down... If you don't run VMS on it > >>that is. > > J > > I got some configurations and prices from the configurator tool on theL > > web.  Of course the prices are not official, and the configurator is not5 > > capable of getting detailed configurations right.  > >  > > 4-core Integrity Server:F > > AB596A 160: rx3600 with 2 Processors (4 cores) 1.6 GHz     $14,750F > > AB563A    : 2 GB memory                                    $   930F > > AD124A    : 8 DIMM memory carrier                          $   595F > > AD140A    : 36 GB 10k SAS disk drive                       $   356F > > AD142A    : DVD-ROM drive                                  $   230F > > AD053A    : rack-mount kit                                 $   150F > > BA322AA 0D1 : VMS FOE factory integrated                   $   200F > > BA453C      : (4 @ $895) VMS FOE license                   $ 3,580 > > F > > Total                                                      $20,791 > >  > < > My quote is 92,000 $ for the rx3600 with all the licenses. > K > Not every software I have today will run on the Integrity, which is why I M > need to maintain the 2 Alpha alive for some time. If one is sick, the other K > one can keep the pace along with the new Integrity. The Integrity box wil N > typically run Oracle and some apps that use Oracle and RMS, until it can run > everything we have.  > M > The other choice is to just replace the smaller of the 2 Alpha with another L > Alpha (ES45 probably). This way I don't have to pay for more licenses. ButL > the preferred path for us is to get an Integrity box because we eventuallyG > may need to be able to compile on this platform if our clients get an L > Integrity (and they might). We do applications maintenance/development for  > them so we need the compilers. > N > This Itanium has to get into the cluster as some applications will share RMS? > files and many other things (print/batch queues, SYSUAF, etc)  > 	 > Syltrem     E Did you read all of Robert's message?  The base cost of a ES45 with 4 G CPU's is around $132,000 (I got about $193,000 but my configuration had D 8Gb memory instead of 2 which added $40K and $21K for support).   SoF how does $93K for an rx3600 and licenses compare to $132K+ for an ES45G with no licenses except OpenVMS?  You still have to add VMS Cluster and  according to this pageG (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/swcat/us/clustersvms.html ) it's either $31k > or $66K (I don't know if an ES45 is considered departmental orG enterprise but I suspect the latter).  You may get something of a break D for your old, smaller Alpha on a trade-in of the license but any wayC you look at it you're still paying way more for the ES45.  Plus the  rx3600 should run faster     John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:01:59 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: Is HP trying to kill VMS again ? 9 Message-ID: <ZL-dnetAVaJ-F_vYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Robert Deininger wrote: H > In article <ww59h.4454$T6.2665@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner,: > Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote: > ' >> But where are the $10-12K systems???  > G > On the same web page as the bigger systems...  rx1620.  rx2620.  Plus I > unannounced systems in the pipeline (which aren't on the web page yet).   I I was thinking along these lines.  As you state below, the rx3600 is not   the lowest cost system.   G > I made an example rx3600 configuration because that's where the first I > poster was  asking questions.  That's not the lowest-cost system in the I > lineup.  But you'd know that, unless comp.os.vms is ONLY source of your  > VMS news.  > N >> There are a lot of distributed VMS users out there such as Blockbuster who " >> now have no viable upgrade path( >> They have in excess of 3000 systems !< >> That's a lot of cash for HP if they had a low end system. > 6 > Good thing HP has a low-end offering then, isn't it?  H I'm thinking this would possibly do wonders for hobbyists, if those low ! end Alphas became available.  :-)   # > Are you representing Blockbuster?   # Sounds like a business opportunity.   I > They have a couple of upgrade paths to VMS on Integrity that would save J > them money compared to Alpha.  In particular, the office-friendly rx2620G > with 1 CPU (2 cores) is probably a very nice fit.  I would expect any F > customer migrating thousands of systems to take advantage of licenseG > trade-in programs.  And hardware discounts are common in large deals.   D Wish you would have provided an example.  I hate to do my own work. F Also, it would have saved all those hits on the HP site from those as  curious as me.  F > I don't understand your assertion that such customers have no viable > upgrade path.  >  > Have a happy Thanksgiving!     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:03:02 +0800 ) From: Tim Sneddon <tesneddon@bigpond.com> & Subject: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support9 Message-ID: <456629d2$0$21190$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>    FredK wrote:< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message3 > news:88609$454abe4f$cef8887a$4545@TEKSAVVY.COM...  >> Tim Sneddon wrote: I >>> I had this same problem. I checked the source listings and that stuff # >>> is only available for USB mice. F >> OK, thanks. I had been mislead to believe that it should work on my	 > system. G >>   At least now I need not worry about something being wrong about my 	 > system. I >>> I have since reconstructed the various modules and includes necessary H >>> to build SYS$IMBDRIVER.EXE (the PS/2 mouse driver) and am working on >>> adding thumbwheel support.J >> Great stuff. If you need someone to test it... jfmezei at vaxination.ca > J > The nntp server I am using appears not to send everything out... the PS2N > support apparently didn't make it into V8.3 for reasons I am not sure about.H > I'll look at building a driver and finding someone to host a download. >  >  >   G A driver was built (thanks Fred) and someone to host it was found. V8.3 J and V7.3-2 versions of the mouse driver, as well as some instructions, are now available at:   -     http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sneddon/   
 Regards, Tim.    --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:09:01 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support7 Message-ID: <21583$4566462c$cef8887a$2446@TEKSAVVY.COM>    Tim Sneddon wrote:I > A driver was built (thanks Fred) and someone to host it was found. V8.3 L > and V7.3-2 versions of the mouse driver, as well as some instructions, are > now available at:     
 Many thanks !   ( Now, the big question: *must* I reboot ?  J (I ask this more with a goal of learning about managing drivers on Alpha, O aka: is there a way to reload a driver with a new version without rebooting ?).   J I take it the old sys$imbdriver.exe needs to be moved to a backup parking  spot ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:41:01 +0800 ) From: Tim Sneddon <tesneddon@bigpond.com> & Subject: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support9 Message-ID: <45664ed9$0$21190$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Many thanks !  > * > Now, the big question: *must* I reboot ? >    Yup.  E > (I ask this more with a goal of learning about managing drivers on  K > Alpha, aka: is there a way to reload a driver with a new version without   > rebooting ?).   9 AFAIK Alpha doesn't offer the facility to reload drivers.    > D > I take it the old sys$imbdriver.exe needs to be moved to a backup  > parking spot ?  A You can just copy the new one to SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES: and it will B end up in the system specific directory tree (leaving the original just where it is).  
 Regards, Tim.    --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:46:04 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support7 Message-ID: <1179b$45666adb$cef8887a$5139@TEKSAVVY.COM>   H Oh, BTW,  one really neat use of the thumbwheel in a DECTERM is that it 8 plays through the recall buffer (as does up/down arrow).  J Now, if DECTERMs could be updated so that after doing a recall, you could K press a mouse key to be the equivalent of the return key, you could select  L a command with the thumbwheel and then run that command by pressing a mouse 2 key without having to get your hand off the mouse.  J (mouse->keyboard and keyboard->mouse changes are the most annoying in GUI  environments).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 11:52:05 +0800 ) From: Tim Sneddon <tesneddon@bigpond.com> & Subject: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support9 Message-ID: <45665f81$0$21190$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Tim Sneddon wrote:, >>> Now, the big question: *must* I reboot ? >  >> Yup.  > G > Well, VMS sucks. Imagine that, having to actually reboot a system to  7 > make mouse behave differently :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) ;-)   I I believe this applies to all drivers on the Alpha. I never really looked 1 into why. Maybe someone else can answer that one.    > E > Hey, many many thanks. I actualy rebooted, and low and behold, the  " > thumbwheel now does something. ! > C > But instead of scrolling windows, it switches the channels on my  + > satellite TV receiver :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  > ) > Seriously, it looks like it is working.  > K > Is it normal that without any key modifiers, it seems to act as a simple  K > "up/down" arrow key ? (as opposed to affecting the vertical scroll bar).  H > If I press <CTRL> while rolling the thumbwheel, it then seems to be a  > page/up/page/down. >   B Part of the source code is included in the kit. It simply sticks a) Ctrl-Up/Down on the keyboard input queue.    >  > With XEV: J > A move "down" generates keycode of 169, a move "up" generates a code of  > 170. > L > This is on an Alpha  DS10L, VMS 8.3. Mouse is a Keytronic  2MOUSEPS2-581BL > B > And I've been up for a few minutes and it hasn't crashed yet :-) > ) > This is much appreciated, many thanks !   > Thank Fred Kleinsorge. This isn't the driver I was working on.   > < > I haven't tried the mous key remapping utility yet though.  
 Regards, Tim.    --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:50:16 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Clustering Question8 Message-ID: <735c9$4565fb6e$cef8887a$28756@TEKSAVVY.COM>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   F > Is that True ? I thought Tandem was a real fault tolerant system ie = > two systems running exactly the same processes in lockstep. A > Meaning that no hardware failure on one should stop processing.   J But the failover is done at the application level. It is the applications H that do their own checkpointing (done via memory communications between K CPUs if I remember correctly) between each other. The OS doesn't magically  J take a process from a failing node and give its context to the designated J backup node for that application. The OS just provides the tools to allow 4 two processes on 2 CPUs to keep track of each other.  K On Tandems, the fault tolerance is mostly at the hardware level. (two disk  G controllers et etc) And it has tools to let applications have failover.   H Your interactive sessions don't failover on a Tandem. But some database H application that has been configured to run on CPU1 with backup on CPU3 L will failover to CPU3 because that database application was written to have G failover capabilities. Some other app would not failover unless it was  # written with failover capabilities.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:19:02 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar8 Message-ID: <b0f7e$45661e4b$cef8887a$11617@TEKSAVVY.COM>   Dan Foster wrote: 1 > http://www.intel.com/ca/pressroom/2006/0718.htm F > Though, not dedicated to software porting. That sum is also only for? > hardware support or hardware development work, it would seem.   I Interesting. Initially, it was clearly designed to help port software to  C IA64. But that was back in late 2004/2005 timeframe. They may have   retargetted the money.  H (But in my opinion, that fund will be used to port HP-UX/VMS/NSK to the I 8086 in 2007/2008 timeframe and used by SGI to complete its port to same   architecture (already begun).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:46:54 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar< Message-ID: <45662402$0$26902$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  2 news:b0f7e$45661e4b$cef8887a$11617@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Dan Foster wrote: 2 >> http://www.intel.com/ca/pressroom/2006/0718.htmG >> Though, not dedicated to software porting. That sum is also only for @ >> hardware support or hardware development work, it would seem. > K > Interesting. Initially, it was clearly designed to help port software to  E > IA64. But that was back in late 2004/2005 timeframe. They may have   > retargetted the money. > J > (But in my opinion, that fund will be used to port HP-UX/VMS/NSK to the K > 8086 in 2007/2008 timeframe and used by SGI to complete its port to same   > architecture (already begun).  >   M Hey now there's an idea. Have the EM64T people at Intel dig up some money to  I have HP port OpenVMS to Pentium-D or DuoCore. (maybe it could be done by  G recalling recently laid-off members of OpenVMS engineering). Hoff? You  
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 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:04:34 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> & Subject: RE: OpenVMS Integrity WebinarT Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401DCDE70@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----E > From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG]=20 ! > Sent: November 23, 2006 8:24 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar >=20@ > In article <c3bec$4565192d$cef8887a$14503@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF=20. > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >  > >  > >Main, Kerry wrote: 	 > >> All,  > >>=20 A > >> The following may be of interest to developers on this list:  > > B > >When you guys make announcements of "webinars", please state=20 > the technical=20@ > >requirements and technology used in the announcement. When=20 > you get to the=20 ? > >signup pages, there is no such information. I have wasted=20  > enough time=20I > >siging up to those thing only to find out that it just doesn't work=20 E > >(incompatible, or inadequante bandwidth) and wasted a LOT of time.  >=20? > I have to agree with JF here.  However, I'm fairly certain=20  > that Hopelessly=20A > Pathetic *ONLY* wants Itanium developers that develope using=20  > Weendoze Pee- 9 > Cees as that seems to be they always do these with a=20  > Micro$oft proprietary B > format.  Hopelessly Pathetic doesn't want non-Weendoze PeeCee=20 > users in the9 > fold since I know I can't watch/listen to them on my=20  > Powerbook or iMac. >=20    6 As someone mentioned previously, this is an audiocast.  = Do you really think Microsoft developed the telephone format?    :-)   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2006 16:04:55 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity WebinarC Message-ID: <1164326694.990499.170840@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Main, Kerry wrote:: > > As someone mentioned previously, this is an audiocast. >  > M > The point is that one shouldn't have to beg/ask for this info. It should be ' > blatantly obvious BEFORE you sign up.   ( It was. Right there on the announcement.  F If you don't like it or don't trust it, then please just ignore it and don't whine.   Cheers,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:10:56 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar7 Message-ID: <3012a$4566469f$cef8887a$2446@TEKSAVVY.COM>    Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote:* > It was. Right there on the announcement.  L Sorry then. I was caught enough times with those webinar announcements that H I don't even bother checking those pages anymore. If they realised that J they need to show the technology required to participate BEFORE one signs I up, then that is good. Lets just hope that they continue to provide this   info prior to signing up.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2006 21:03:06 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity WebinarC Message-ID: <1164344586.493579.125730@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Main, Kerry wrote:: > > As someone mentioned previously, this is an audiocast. >  > M > The point is that one shouldn't have to beg/ask for this info. It should be ' > blatantly obvious BEFORE you sign up.  > K > And heck, there should be a button on that page with "sorry, your webinar > > format is not compatible with my platform, I cannot attend". > M > Web statistics are self selecting since those with incompatible platform do M > not access it, so statisticians can then just claim that 99% of users use a  > particular platform.  1 This reminds me of a recent article in The Onion:   B Politicians Sweep Midterm Elections -- Resounding Victories in All States, Counties, Cities, Towns   .     http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54918  . On an unrelated note, here's another good one:  .     http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54916  5 (Frito-Lay Angrily Introduces Line of Healthy Snacks)   A And then there's "Rotation of Earth Plunges Entire North American  Continent Into Darkness"  .     http://www.theonion.com/content/node/45792  C WARNING! The Frito-Lay article is rated R (not for the kiddies, but E it's only an occasional curse word, well, plus one vulgar phrase, but  still very funny)    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:12:11 -0800 , From: "Malcolm Dunnett" <dunnett@mala.bc.ca>: Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-INFSMEM, insufficient dynamic memory Message-ID: <45663858$1@flight>   ; "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1164300562.203791.123600@l39g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... 
 > Malcolm, > > > to further diagnose this problem, would you consider seetingG > SYSTEM_CHECK=1 and NPAG_RING_SIZE=20000. Then reboot and issue one of C > the commands, which will cause the SS$_INSFMEM error. Once it has D > happened, immediately crash the system: type CTRL-P on the console > twice and answer Crash y/n: Y  > I > Then try to look into the dump with SDA> SHOW POOL/RING and try to find 7 > out, if there was a nonpaged pool allocation problem.  >   C  OK, I've done that. I'm not sure what I'm looking for in the SHOW  
 POOL/RING,H but I don't see anything that looks all that suspicious. There's lots ofB apparently successful pool allocations and deallocations going on.  F   By changing the startup order once again I've now got TCP/IP startup% crashing when it load loads TNDRIVER:   7 sysman io connect TNA0 /noadapter/driver=TCPIP$TNDRIVER 1 %SYSMAN-I-NODERR, error returned from node MALOR3 . -SYSTEM-F-INSFMEM, insufficient dynamic memory  5 Yet right after that I do a "SHOW MEM/PO/FU" and get:   @               System Memory Resources on 23-NOV-2006 15:43:20.99  / Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable) L   Current Size (MB)                22.79   Current Size (Pagelets)     46688L   Initial Size (MB)                22.79   Initial Size (Pagelets)     46688L   Maximum Size (MB)               122.00   Maximum Size (Pagelets)    249856L   Free Space (MB)                  17.41   Space in Use (MB)            5.37L   Largest Var Block (MB)           17.20   Smallest Var Block (bytes)    128L   Number of Free Blocks              485   Free Blocks LEQU 64 bytes       0L   Free Blocks on Lookasides          477   Lookaside Space (KB)       206.93  / Bus Addressable Memory       (Lists + Variable) L   Current Size (KB)               128.00   Current Size (Pagelets)       256L   Initial Size (KB)               128.00   Initial Size (Pagelets)       256L   Free Space (KB)                 110.87   Space in Use (KB)           17.12L   Largest Var Block (KB)          104.00   Smallest Var Block (KB)      6.87L   Number of Free Blocks                2   Free Blocks LEQU 64 bytes       0L   Free Blocks on Lookasides            0   Lookaside Space (bytes)         0   Paged Dynamic MemoryL   Current Size (MB)                11.78   Current Size (Pagelets)     24144L   Free Space (MB)                   6.80   Space in Use (MB)            4.98L   Largest Var Block (MB)            6.80   Smallest Var Block (bytes)     16L   Number of Free Blocks               48   Free Blocks LEQU 64 bytes      47   Lock Manager Dynamic Memory L   Current Size (MB)                 1.80   Current Size (Pages)          231L   Free Space (MB)                   0.02   Hits                        13345L   Space in Use (MB)                 1.78   Misses                         95L   Number of Empty Pages                0   Expansions                    238L   Number of Free Packets              78   Packet Size (bytes)             0  % which appears to be lots of free pool   D Can anyone think of another resource that drivers might be trying to
 get ahold of?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:31:53 -0800 , From: "Malcolm Dunnett" <dunnett@mala.bc.ca>: Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-INFSMEM, insufficient dynamic memory Message-ID: <45664b06$1@flight>   C "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote in message  U news:rdeininger-2311060938380001@dialup-4.233.173.196.dial1.manchester1.level3.net...   C >>It doesn't seem to make much sense - maybe it's a bug in VMS 8.3?  >  > I'm starting to think so.  > D > This is the 3rd or 4th similar report I've heard, all on I64 V8.3.K > SYSTEM-F-INSFMEM in every case, but different components have problems on K > different systems.  If your system is having trouble with TCPIP, it would J > be interesting to SET VERIFY before running the startup.  Can you narrowE > down the point of failure?  The other instances I've seen have been @ > attempting a SYSMAN IO CONNECT to load a pseudo device driver. >   F    I'VE FOUND THE PROBLEM (sorry, just had to shout - it's been 2 days of work)  C    It was the size of  the "Execlet Data region"  (SYSGEN parameter A GH_EXEC_DATA). The default is 1024 and with all the software bits F loaded I was exceeding this. I bumped this value up and now everything8 loads fine ( there's a total of 1043 pages in use now ).  F   I don't know much about how VMS uses this region, but one thing I'veD noticed in that in the "released" column of the show mem section forF the Granularity Hint regions the value is always 0 on my IA64 systems,A but typically non-zero on my Alphas. Perhaps there's a bug in VMS I 8.3 on IA64 that is not releasing these regions when it should and that's @ why the 1024 value was inadequate? Autogen doesn't seem to touch9 this value although the documentation suggests it should.   G   In any case I'd suggest that anyone else who's experiencing a problem F like this might want to try raising this parameter a bit. I doubled itA for troubleshooting purposes since this system has tons of memory > but a more reasaonble boost would probably be increasing it in) steps of 10% until the problem goes away.   %  Thanks to all for their suggestions.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:14:37 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 6 Subject: Re: The Register and Gartner on Itanium sales9 Message-ID: <ZL-dnepAVaJFEPvYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Doug Phillips wrote: > Dave Froble wrote: >> FredK wrote: N >>> I love the spin.  HP's transition from PA-RISC to Itanium is gloom & doom,F >>> and Sparc continuing to drown in red ink is cause for celibration? >>> O >>> Income -$797 million, net profit margin -5.89%.  5 year sales growth -6.5%. O >>> They've lost about $5 billion over the last 5 years and lept back up from a O >>> $107 million dollar loss last year to $864 million.  If they increase sales K >>> any faster they might have to file chapter 11.  AMD-64 hasn't saved the  >>> sinking Sparc yet.5 >> What does this have to do with the itanic and VMS?  >>K >> Whatever Sun does, good or bad, has no bearing on what VMS does, good or ? >> bad.  I personally don't give a damn about Sun.  Irrelevant!  >> > G > It's irrelevant if you fail to make the connection between competiton E > in the Enterprise server marketplace (like Sun), the health of that  > market, and OpenVMS. > H > And, ignore the fact that EM64T and AMD64 servers are eating into that* > market, and Sun is addressing that fact. > F > And, if you ignore the fact that OpenVMS is focused primarily on theC > Enterprise, ignoring the EM64T and AMD64 growing capabilities and A > cost-performance advantage, while Sun is embracing that change.  >  > Then it's irrelevant.  >   I The only part that's irrelevant is that Sun is embracing that change.  I  I do find the other points relevant.  But I don't think any of those other  ! points were in what I replied to.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:56:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: Using SYS$INPUT for input into an FTP command. 8 Message-ID: <4f7a5$4565fcd1$cef8887a$29284@TEKSAVVY.COM>  
 Ade wrote:N > As in the reply to Hoff, the copy/ftp retains the original file name on the M > mainram and doesn't take the one supplied in the command, hence the search   > for a new method.   A Have you tried the "/verbose"  and /LOG options of the copy/ftp ?   C Then again, you have an older version of TCPIP services/UCX.  With  K "verbose" you basically see the FTP session that goes on behind the scenes  L and should see the VMS host specify the target filename. Perhaps the target F filename was not specified properly ?  Remember that any foreign file L specifications need to be in double quotes so that VMS doesn't try to parse  them.   
 for instance:   G copy/ftp myfile.txt  the.ibm.node"user pass"::"the.dataset.txt(myfile)"    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:06:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Western Dayligh Time. Starts in 12 days! 8 Message-ID: <a0e71$4565ff29$cef8887a$23161@TEKSAVVY.COM>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:E > Sure you don't mean Broken Hill? On the SA/NSW boarder. Has its own  > timezone. YANCOWINNA.     K Nop. Quite positive about this. Balladonia, EUCLA and Border Village on he  K Nullarbor highway all run on SA time. Officuially they are in WA time. But  H locally, nobody uses that time except the weather guy when he makes his I reports back. (there is a weather station at Eucla with some breaktaking  0 views of the southern ocean high above a cliff).   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.646 ************************