1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 26 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 651       Contents:5 Re: A true pre-emptive multi-tasking operating system  RE: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar  Re: OpenVMS Support Issues Re: OpenVMS Support Issues- Re: Oracle 9i and VMS multihome configuration  Re: VMS in The DA 2 Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st century?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:59:27 -0600 2 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter)> Subject: Re: A true pre-emptive multi-tasking operating system: Message-ID: <s8idnVbMFrxSNvTYnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com>  . In article <0a9Hg.448331$iF6.238352@pd7tw2no>,* Villy Madsen <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> wrote:I >The only problem with *ix is that I can't remember if my name is spelled  > 	 >villy or 	 >Villy or  >VILLY > 1 >and if I need to use a -H or a -h or a -r or,,,,  > I >and it would be so nice if the MAN (sorry man) entries had some useable  2 >examples that a 55 year brain could make sense of >  >Villy >   J Well, my answer is run (Free|Net|Open|Dragonfly)BSD or Solaris instead of 1 Linux (where the man pages are just low priority.   9 My 52 year old brain can see the difference between them.    Bill --   --  <   "When I think back on all the crap I learned in Vax schoolG   It's a wonder I fixed anything at all."   (to the tune of Kodachrome)    pechter-at-ureach.com    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2006 10:21:34 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> & Subject: RE: OpenVMS Integrity Webinar0 Message-ID: <ekbtbt.9u.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>  & Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:   <snip>8 > As someone mentioned previously, this is an audiocast. <snip>  B Yes, ist is. But why is HP using the term "webinar" to announce a J telephone-based audiocast? Because "webinar" is a buzzword which attracts K attention? Maybe I'm too much of an engineer, but some degree of technical  7 accuracy when choosing your words would't do much harm.    Thanks for the pointer anyway!   Hans.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Nov 2006 13:20:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: OpenVMS Support Issues 0 Message-ID: <4stileF11hruuU1@mid.individual.net>  C In article <1164520070.551042.321500@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ' 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > H > Well, it may be that writing won't help in this case. But sometimes itF > does. It saved Star Trek TOS once (but not the second time), and got > Paramount to make a movie.  H Are you equating VMS with TOS?  One was worthlessi and saving it a total# waste of time, you guess which one.    > H > But if you do write, be polite and to the point and try to show how itC > affects HP or whoever is reading it. Hey, it's not like you'll be H > spending months writing a novel, or breaking your back digging a moat.H > It's just a letter or two, ... or three. But when you're done with theF > letter, put it down. Wait some time. And then pick up the letter andI > read it imagining someone sent it to you. How would you react to it? If D > you'd react negatively, tear it up and try again. Yeah, it may not0 > work, but doing nothing definitely won't work.  E And include lot's of jokes, cause the reader is going to laughing his  ass off anyway....   > H > Remember baseball. We've all seen it. The umpire makes a controversialG > call. One of the managers comes out of the dugout and goes to yell at E > and argue with the ump. Has that ever, even once, changed the ump's E > mind? I've never seen it. Even if it has happened, it's certainly a 8 > tiny minority of all such arguments. So keep it civil.  G Really bad example.  The manager isn't going out there to try to change H the unpire's mind.  He is going out there to put on a show for the fans.5 Afterall, it's all just supposed to be entertainment.    > H > Cancelling your support contract (or not renewing it, or whatever) mayF > also help. And who knows? It may not. They might not care even about8 > that! But when you've got nothing to lose...go for it!  E The only option that will have any effect.  It will give them another G yawn, but it wil give you the money to spend elsewhere on real support.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2006 08:49:15 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: OpenVMS Support Issues C Message-ID: <1164559755.653889.177090@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1164520070.551042.321500@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ) > 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > > J > > Well, it may be that writing won't help in this case. But sometimes itH > > does. It saved Star Trek TOS once (but not the second time), and got > > Paramount to make a movie. > J > Are you equating VMS with TOS?  One was worthlessi and saving it a total% > waste of time, you guess which one.   E No. I was simply giving an example in which a letter writing campaign 6 worked. And I disagree with your opinion of Star Trek.  J > > But if you do write, be polite and to the point and try to show how itE > > affects HP or whoever is reading it. Hey, it's not like you'll be J > > spending months writing a novel, or breaking your back digging a moat.J > > It's just a letter or two, ... or three. But when you're done with theH > > letter, put it down. Wait some time. And then pick up the letter andK > > read it imagining someone sent it to you. How would you react to it? If F > > you'd react negatively, tear it up and try again. Yeah, it may not2 > > work, but doing nothing definitely won't work. > G > And include lot's of jokes, cause the reader is going to laughing his  > ass off anyway....    Fine. And you misspelled 'lots'.   >  > > J > > Remember baseball. We've all seen it. The umpire makes a controversialI > > call. One of the managers comes out of the dugout and goes to yell at G > > and argue with the ump. Has that ever, even once, changed the ump's G > > mind? I've never seen it. Even if it has happened, it's certainly a : > > tiny minority of all such arguments. So keep it civil. > I > Really bad example.  The manager isn't going out there to try to change J > the unpire's mind.  He is going out there to put on a show for the fans.7 > Afterall, it's all just supposed to be entertainment.   C Pretty lousy "entertainment" if you ask me. I always hated it. It's # BO-RING (pronounced with a long O).   F So you think yelling and arguing with HP management is going to do any good? I said *if* you write.   >  > > J > > Cancelling your support contract (or not renewing it, or whatever) mayH > > also help. And who knows? It may not. They might not care even about: > > that! But when you've got nothing to lose...go for it! > G > The only option that will have any effect.  It will give them another I > yawn, but it wil give you the money to spend elsewhere on real support.  >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:32:11 -0600 . From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dlgudewicz@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Oracle 9i and VMS multihome configuration: Message-ID: <87mdnZ2r0tUuQPTYnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com>  A "David J Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote in message  * news:4567B1F4.2A1DD7F9@spam.comcast.net... > DaveG wrote: >>E >> We recently enabled and started failSAFE IP ( 2 NICs ) on an Alpha & >> v7.3-2 (patches up to date) system. >  > What version of UCX?  	 v5.4 eco6    > H > Note that in V5.4 ECO-5, failSAFE IP is broken in a major way. V5.4-6  > seems much	 > better.  > I > Watch out for round-robin-ing within subnets: if, for example, EWA-0 is J > 10.10.1.6 and EWA-1 is 10.10.1.7, both go to different physical routes, 	 > and one L > loses connectivity above layer-2, failSAFE IP will not detect this and the* > entire subnet becomes unstable/unusable.   Wasn't aware of this.  Thanks.   >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > ( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page# > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/  > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: % > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:08:37 -0600 2 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) Subject: Re: VMS in The DA: Message-ID: <s8idnVHMFrxoMPTYnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com>  * In article <4l87lmFmoqqU2@individual.net>,) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  > C >Let me explain my "surprise surprise" comment for you (and Larry). A >Having been told by people here that DOD and DA were still major @ >users of VMS I did a little research.  I asked in a forum of myA >peers just what VMS systems were available in DA.  There was, of B >course, a method to my madness.  Knowing that VMS is not only not> >taught at an Army IT school, but not even mentioned except inF >passing and in a rather derogatory manner, I felt that my experience,C >limited thoguh it may be, could be of definite value.  The silence A >was resounding.  Eventually, I got one answer from a Colonel who B >was getting ready to retire (I mention that only as evidence thatC >we are talking about someone who has been doing IT in the Army for A >something like 30 years)who's only comment was that he could not ? >remember the last time he had seen a VMS system in the Army.   @ >Needless to say, I was surprised to find a vacancy announcementC >that listed knowledge of VMS as a desired, if not required, skill. @ >Of course, I hav e to also mention this is the first one I have6 >seen in well over a year of watching these vacancies. >  >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       F Fort Monmouth, where I spent my DEC time as an on-site dedicated Field: Engineer (for a while) was a heavy DEC VMS and PDP11 shop.  G By the late 80's there was more Unix going on and by the 90's they were F heavily into a Sun NFS environment with WindowsNT as a replacement for their NetWare3 environment.   H I know this is an R&D facility... but their ALL-IN-ONE was rapidly being= replaced... by '93 they were much more a Sun/HPUX/WinNT shop.   G Now health care in the government has a history of MUMPS on DEC HW (and G even Mumps on VMS).  The VA uses Mumps heavily as did Roche's lab group 7 (now Lab Corp.).  Anyone know if Lab Corp still uses M.   3 'Course now you could run MUMPS er -- M on Linux...    Bill   --   --  <   "When I think back on all the crap I learned in Vax schoolG   It's a wonder I fixed anything at all."   (to the tune of Kodachrome)    pechter-at-ureach.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:28:56 -0600 2 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter); Subject: Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st century? : Message-ID: <s8idnVPMFrwlL_TYnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com>  T In article <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401A11D74@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,& Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote: >  >> -----Original Message----- 8 >> From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] # >> Sent: September 7, 2006 12:12 AM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com= >> Subject: Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st century?  >>  A >> In article <44ff82c7$0$3578$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Stephen  & >> Eickhoff <operagost@og.com> writes: >>  > >> > But it's all still riding on a message store that hasn't  >> seen a significant ; >> > enhancement in some time (I'm guessing... 1988).  The   >> greatest flaw is the = >> > failure to store message size within the indexed file.    >> This negatively  ; >> > impacts performance of POP3 and IMAP to a large degree  >>  < >> But VMS users read their mail without using POP3 or IMAP. >>  A >> If you want to use a VMS machine to serve mail files to other   >> operatingG >> systems, there are several third party products to do exactly that - % >> one released within the past year.  >>  G >> If you, with a goal off the design-center, are unwilling to buy from B >> third party vendors, there will soon be no third party vendors. >>   >> Larry Kilgallen, >> third party vendor not in the email space >>   > G >As Larry stated, as an OS platform provider, you typically do not want < >to chase ISV's away by coming out with a competing product. > D >For those interested in commercial OpenVMS based email options, the >following is also available:  > : >http://www.stalker.com/content/news_article_01252005.html/ >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/mail.html  , >http://www.stalker.com/content/download.htm >   >Good thing about this offering:G >- replace MS Exchange server back end with HA platform with ultra high  >security.      @ Ain't it a shame the guys at DEC made the deal with Microsoft toI become MS Exchange experts back in the '90's.  Should've kept working on  + ALL-IN-ONE add-ons and a gui Web/PC client.     That was enterprise grade stuff.     > I >For giggles, ask current MS Exchange Customers how they do multi-site HA  >email today...      Sure... 8-)      >  >:-) > G >- clients keep running their Outlook clients (yes, I know, but lots of  >Custs use this client)  >  >Regards >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada  >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom  >(remove the DOT's and AT)   > 5 >OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.  >      --   --  <   "When I think back on all the crap I learned in Vax schoolG   It's a wonder I fixed anything at all."   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