1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 29 Nov 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 656       Contents:. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good !. Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good !0 Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails?0 Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails?0 Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails? Re: DECW$SERVER crashes (8.3)  Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files" Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files" Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files" Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files" Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files" Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files Re: Future of Mozilla on VMS Re: Future of Mozilla on VMS/ Java Applet  Destroy() method invocation issues  Looking for a bunch of URLs  Re: Looking for a bunch of URLs  Re: Looking for a bunch of URLs  Re: OpenVMS Support Issues Re: OpenVMS Support Issues Re: OpenVMS Support Issues Re: OpenVMS Support Issues Re: OpenVMS Support Issues! Re: public-key ssh into VMS 7.3-1 ? Re: Reloading Alpha drivers, was: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support ? Re: Reloading Alpha drivers, was: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support 1 Re: SYSTEM-F-INFSMEM, insufficient dynamic memory 4 Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC VAX 11/730 SABACKUP questions   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2006 14:13:09 -0800- From: "Beach Runner" <Bob4Health@hotmail.com> 7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! B Message-ID: <1164751989.238752.199150@14g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Stephen Hoffman wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote:v > > In article <1164270742.359442.234880@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "Beach Runner" <Bob4Health@hotmail.com> writes: > >>G > >> As much as I love VMS, it is the least secure OS out there at this 
 > >> time.H > >> User names and Pass words are STILL to this day sent in plain text. > >>J > >    Sent?  Sent where?  I access all my VMS systems via SSH, so they'reK > >    encrypted, or at a direct connection where I have physical security. ? > >    When I'm already on VMS, I access other systems via ssh.  > >   > >    You're just out of touch. > >  >  > E >    The original poster is likely referring to LAN traffic involving H > DECnet or (unencrypted IP), or to cluster SCS traffic.  LAN traffic isH > still sensitive, and it's not encrypted using standard configurations.# > If you can sniff the local LAN...   E That is exactly what I was referring to. Obviously, we can use secure  tcpip.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:14:48 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>7 Subject: Re: A place where non-mention of VMS is good ! ) Message-ID: <ekijdo$27lf$1@pyrite.mv.net>    Beach Runner wrote:  > Stephen Hoffman wrote:F >>    The original poster is likely referring to LAN traffic involvingI >> DECnet or (unencrypted IP), or to cluster SCS traffic.  LAN traffic is I >> still sensitive, and it's not encrypted using standard configurations. $ >> If you can sniff the local LAN... > G > That is exactly what I was referring to. Obviously, we can use secure  > tcpip.  F    Though not (yet?) for SCS.  This per the roadmap, and plans listed ? there for SCS via IP.  No mention of encryption there, however.   A    The older solution here was akin to the DESNC secure Ethernet  & controller; an encryption-capable NIC.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2006 10:54:29 -0800/ From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> 9 Subject: Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails? B Message-ID: <1164740068.957488.150150@14g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Malcolm,   from OpenVMS V8.2     $ MC SYSGEN HELP SYS_P LAN_FLAGS ...         Bit        Description  ... G         12         If set, enables a fast timeout on transmit requests, E                   usually between 1 and 1.2 seconds instead of 3 to 4 /                   second, for most LAN drivers.   D        13         If set, transmits that are given to the LAN deviceE                   and never completed by the device (transmit timeout <                   condition) are completed with error status (SS$_ABORT) :                   rather than success status (SS$_NORMAL).   Volker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:51:47 -0800 , From: "Malcolm Dunnett" <dunnett@mala.bc.ca>9 Subject: Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails?  Message-ID: <456c9307$1@flight>   ; "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1164738843.280218.250210@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 
 > Malcolm, > C > please also provide your driver, driver version and RECNXINTERVAL 
 > setting. >  > In our case: >  > RECNXINTERVAL=60   RECNXINTERVAL=20   >  > SDA> SHOW LAN/FULL/DEV=EWA >  LAN Data Structures  ------------------- @                -- EWB Device Information 28-NOV-2006 11:46:20 --  L LSB address                 89984000    Driver code address         88008780L Driver version     00000001.08020111    Device1 code address        00000000L Device1 version    00000000.00000000    Device2 code address        00000000L Device2 version    00000000.00000000    LAN code address            88009C00L LAN version        00000001.08020172    DLL type                      CSMACDL Device name                 EW_DE500    MOP name                         EWAL MOP ID                           203    HW serial               Not suppliedL HW version                  02000030    Promiscuous mode                 OFFL Controller mode               NORMAL    Promiscuous UCB             00000000L Internal loopback                OFF    All multicast state              OFFL Hardware address   08-00-2B-C5-42-7C    CRC generation mode               ONL Physical address   08-00-2B-C5-42-7C    Full Duplex Enable                ONL Active unit count                  3    Full Duplex State                 ON$ Line speed                       100   Flags:  00000140 TIMER,FAILDEV Char:   00000004 MULSEG 0 Status: 00001103 RUN,INITED,RING_AVAIL,FP_CPUAFF     > # > $ anal/ima/sel=(ident,link,build) . > sys$loadable_images:sys$ewdriver_de500ba.exe0 > SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SYS$EWDRIVER_DE500BA.EXE;1   "X-4"   3-AUG-2005 15:19:55.71  "XA99-0060111012"    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:12:54 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 9 Subject: Re: Cluster connection lost when one link fails? 1 Message-ID: <Wn3bh.2940$CU6.664@news.cpqcorp.net>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:? >   I suppose bits 12 and 13 of the lan flags may help. They're ; > not documented in VMS 7.3-2 but I guess that doesn't mean  > they aren't honored.  C I've been told that support for LAN_FLAGS Bit 12 was included in a  I remedial kit for 7.3-2. I would guess that support for Bit 13 presumably   came along with that.   ; >   Is the relationship between TIMVCFAIL and RECNXINTERVAL < > significant, eg would lowering the first or increasing the > second help?  I Raising RECNXINTERVAL is probably the best way to handle a temporary LAN  C problem like this, and should indeed allow you to ride through the  G problem. And RECNXINTERVAL is a dynamic parameter, so this can be done   easily and without a reboot.  F It's possible that lowering TIMVCFAIL might allow the VC to be closed G successfully, even with packets pending in the transmit queue (I don't  H know for sure). By default, the TIMVCFAIL mechanism is disabled because B the default value of 1600 (16 seconds) is longer than the default H PEDRIVER Listen Timeout of 8 seconds. If you lowered TIMVCVFAIL to less G than 800 (8 seconds), that might conceivably cause the VC to be closed  I sooner and work around this problem. But I'd certainly log a call before   I'd consider trying this.   A There's more information about RECNXINTERVAL and TIMVCFAIL in my  C presentation "OpenVMS Connection Manager and the Quorum Scheme" at  7 http://www2.openvms.org/kparris/bootcamp2005_cnxmgr.ppt   @ I recommend as a general rule that anyone using a redundant LAN : configuration as their cluster interconnect should enable H LAVC$FAILURE_ANALYSIS so they are notified (via OPCOM messages, scanned F for and alerted on by something like Console Manager or ConsoleWorks) F whenever any of those redundant LAN components fail (or start working @ again). See my article "Local Area Network Cluster Interconnect # Monitoring" in the VTJ Volume 2 at  7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/index.html    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Nov 2006 01:30:12 EST) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) & Subject: Re: DECW$SERVER crashes (8.3)! Message-ID: <FvJR1Xa6paq2@wvnvms>   g In article <b26c$456a73cc$cef8887a$29209@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > George Cook wrote:I >> The following discussion of X pixmaps and drawables from Wikipedia may  >> help: >  > Thanks. It did help. > M > Question: when a window is closed, does the X server automatically destroy  K > all pixmaps associated with that window ? Or are pixmaps self sustaining  M > entities that can survive the destruction of one window so that the client  N > can re-used it on another window (consider mosaic or mozilla which can have , > multiple windows opened at the same time). > H > In my case, I had the server crash long after I had closed some image I > intejnsive page that couldn't display all images. And I had done other  N > operations since in Mozilla and was back to only havin the messaging window 	 > opened.   E How are you closing the windows?  With Close on the Mozilla File menu C or with Close on the Motif window border pulldown menu?  If you are F using the Motif menu, then it is possible that Mozilla is not cleaning up properly.     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:53:13 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>' Subject: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files ) Message-ID: <op.tjqpez1mtte90l@hyrrokkin>   > Just noticed that there are almost 50K files in this dir named TMP-<10 char string>.;1   D Do I really need all of these?  I only looked at a couple of records2 and they only appear to differ in sequence number.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:04:49 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com + Subject: Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files B Message-ID: <1164744289.164862.202220@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>   Tom Linden wrote: @ > Just noticed that there are almost 50K files in this dir named > TMP-<10 char string>.;1  > F > Do I really need all of these?  I only looked at a couple of records4 > and they only appear to differ in sequence number.  G I'd venture that you don't need them (TMP?), and given your description A they sound like zone transfers that failed somehow...  Maybe just D delete all over over a few days old, if you're nervious about it.  IC don't have any in my direction, but my VMS system is the master and D doesn't secondary anything.  Yours probably is acting as a secondary for one/more domains.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:44:20 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)+ Subject: Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files 2 Message-ID: <06112814442080_2020028F@antinode.org>  * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>  @ > Just noticed that there are almost 50K files in this dir named > TMP-<10 char string>.;1   H    Assuming that "this dir" is SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$BIND], I have exactly none of these.  F > Do I really need all of these?  I only looked at a couple of records4 > and they only appear to differ in sequence number.  C    It might help if you offered someone else a clue as to what's in  these files.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:03:41 -0500 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> + Subject: Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files 0 Message-ID: <1164747829.824948@nntp.acecape.com>   davidc@montagar.com wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: A >> Just noticed that there are almost 50K files in this dir named  >> TMP-<10 char string>.;1 >>G >> Do I really need all of these?  I only looked at a couple of records 5 >> and they only appear to differ in sequence number.  > I > I'd venture that you don't need them (TMP?), and given your description C > they sound like zone transfers that failed somehow...  Maybe just F > delete all over over a few days old, if you're nervious about it.  IE > don't have any in my direction, but my VMS system is the master and F > doesn't secondary anything.  Yours probably is acting as a secondary > for one/more domains.   " I don't have any in my dir either.% It may not be a failed zone transfer. = My failed zone transfers result in a zone file of length zero % and no data, killing the name server.     Could it be a debug output file?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:34:46 -0800 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>+ Subject: Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files ) Message-ID: <op.tjq7z8mvtte90l@hyrrokkin>   J On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:44:20 -0800, Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org>   wrote:  , > From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> > A >> Just noticed that there are almost 50K files in this dir named  >> TMP-<10 char string>.;1 > J >    Assuming that "this dir" is SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$BIND], I have exactly > none of these. > G >> Do I really need all of these?  I only looked at a couple of records 5 >> and they only appear to differ in sequence number.  > E >    It might help if you offered someone else a clue as to what's in  > these files.  9 ODIN> more SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.TCPIP$bind]TMP-GRFA0HOZHG. 	 $ORIGIN .  $TTL 10 ; 10 seconds6 PEBBLEBEACHSIRS.ORG     IN SOA  PEBBLEBEACHSIRS.ORG.   POSTMASTER.KEDNOS.COM. (4                                  677848     ; serial>                                  3600       ; refresh (1 hour)?                                  300        ; retry (5 minutes) =                                  172800     ; expire (2 days) @                                  43200      ; minimum (12 hours)"                                  )1                          NS      ODIN.KEDNOS.COM. /                          A       206.55.236.245 7                          MX      100 HAFNER.KEDNOS.COM. 6                          MX      200 FREJA.KEDNOS.COM.5                          MX      300 ODIN.KEDNOS.COM. 6                          MX      400 NORNS.KEDNOS.COM. $ORIGIN PEBBLEBEACHSIRS.ORG.4 MAIL                    CNAME   PEBBLEBEACHSIRS.ORG.4 WWW                     CNAME   PEBBLEBEACHSIRS.ORG.   > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547        --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:33:25 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)+ Subject: Re: Do I need all TCPIP$BIND files 2 Message-ID: <06112821332528_2020028F@antinode.org>  * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>  ; > ODIN> more SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.TCPIP$bind]TMP-GRFA0HOZHG.  > $ORIGIN .  > $TTL 10 ; 10 seconds8 > PEBBLEBEACHSIRS.ORG     IN SOA  PEBBLEBEACHSIRS.ORG.   > POSTMASTER.KEDNOS.COM. (6 >                                  677848     ; serial@ >                                  3600       ; refresh (1 hour)A >                                  300        ; retry (5 minutes) ? >                                  172800     ; expire (2 days) B >                                  43200      ; minimum (12 hours)$ >                                  )3 >                          NS      ODIN.KEDNOS.COM.  > [...]   E    Hmmm.  You have more more domains than I do.  Do the date/times on D the temporary files differ by one of these time intervals?  PossiblyD related to zone transfers?  Any odd-ball protection conditions whichH might keep someone from deleting such a file when it's no longer needed?  5    Sounds like a mystery.  A quick Google search for:          dns bind "temporary file"   * turned up a few references to things like:  " http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/FAQ.php  D  Q: I get "transfer of 'example.net/IN' from 192.168.4.12#53: failedA    while receiving responses: permission denied" error messages.    A  A: These indicate a filesystem permission error preventing named G    creating / renaming the temporary file. These will usually also have (    other associated error messages like   D    "dumping master file: sl/tmp-XXXX5il3sQ: open: permission denied"  E    Named needs write permission on the directory containing the file. C    Named writes the new cache file to a temporary file then renames E    it to the name specified in named.conf to ensure that the contents G    are always complete. This is to prevent named loading a partial zone E    in the event of power failure or similar interrupting the write of     the master file.     [...]  ! which certainly looks suspicious.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:29:52 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: Future of Mozilla on VMS 8 Message-ID: <1040d$456cb849$cef8887a$27765@TEKSAVVY.COM>   madcrow wrote:G > Hmm. I believe that the X11 versions of Mozilla (or at least Firefox) 2 > use GTK. Has GTK+ 2 ever been ported to OpenVMS?   Currently, Mozilla ships with:  : CPQ AXPVMS GTK V1.2-10               Full LP     Installed  K I think FredK mentioned some time ago that Firefox would reuire porting of   GTK 2.0 to VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:58:08 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>% Subject: Re: Future of Mozilla on VMS ) Message-ID: <ekiieg$27ag$1@pyrite.mv.net>    madcrow wrote:  G > Hmm. I believe that the X11 versions of Mozilla (or at least Firefox) 2 > use GTK. Has GTK+ 2 ever been ported to OpenVMS?  I    There's a near-complete proto port around (see below), and clearly HP  H expects to have a functional port GTK+ 2 available as part of providing + Firefox and/or Seahorse and/or Thunderbird.   B    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/8af53a6f8089377e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:01:34 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 8 Subject: Java Applet  Destroy() method invocation issues1 Message-ID: <ekiesa$fgs$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   ! Just  a couple of quick things: -   I Firstly, to let you know that the referenced ITRC thread has been updated  and. . .  I Secondly, could someone please point me to the appropriate news group for F asking "Why don't most browsers appear to invoke an Applet's Destroy()L method when the documentations says it should?" Or have I simply misread the documentation?   ITRC reference again is: -L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1071300 *New Improved* example code!   See: -L http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/deployment/applet/appletMethods.html	 for more.    Arne? Any ideas?   Cheers Richard Maher  > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message+ news:ejmut6$f0u$1@news-02.connect.com.au...  > Hi,  > G > Please find attached all the COBOL, SQLMOD, and DCL needed to build a  small F > (200 lines) INETd server example that will service "Employee Lookup" > requests to port 3333. > 3 > The protocol is about as simple as you can get: -  > A > 1) The first two bytes of every message contains the message ID I > 2) The server will (hopefully) work with Java Stream i/o methods on the ) > Socket so everything is CRLF terminated L > 3) A "20" message is a Surname Lookup request to which the server respondsH > by sending back zero to N "21" messages followed by a "99" End-of-File	 > message > > 4) Server shuts down on receipt of a "99" message or failure > L > I will attach a working VMS/SMG$ client example to fully illustrate what'sK > going on, but what I (and the VMS world at large) *desperately* need is a E > HTML + Javascript + Java Applet example of a browser-hosted client!  > K > I don't care what strategy you use to get your Applet up, but I do insist K > that you do use the automatic Init() and Destroy() methods for connecting J > and disconnecting from the Employee Lookup server. Ideally, upon receipt ofI > some sort of "field-changed" event (I can only pray that you don't poll  for F > this!) you will grab the characters that have been entered (via yourI > seperate thread) and ask the VMS server for the matching employees from  the  > personnel database.  > H > So, can you do this? If it's a money thing then send me a quote and if it'sK > reasonable then who knows. Call me crazy, but I'd've expect to be able to K > rock up to the VMS or Rdb web sites and try out just this sort of example % > :-( What'd be the point of that eh?  > C > Anyway, here are some more useful tips for running the example: -  > 8 > 1) You should save the first text file as java_emp.comL > 2) You need Rdb and COBOL installed and "mf_personnel" should point to the! > ubiquitous Rdb example database B > 3) You *must* "$ucx set noservice java_emp_inetd" before running3 > java_emp.com for the second and subsequent times. H > 4) Don't forget that the last_name column in the employees table has a1 > Capital letter followed by lowercase characters H > 5) Change the cursor to use "like" instead of "starting with" to taste > - > Tips for building the VMS client example: - K > 1) Apart from anything else it shows COBOL building array descriptors and A > calling lib$vm_realloc so it's worth a look in its on right :-) 0 > 2) Save the second text file as emp_client.cobE > 3) Edit emp_client.cob and change rem_node_addr to your server's IP  address ! > which probably won't be 1.2.3.6  > 4) $cob/lis emp_client.cob3 > 5) Save the third text file to emp_client_def.mar  > 6) $mac/lis emp_client_def$ > 7) $link emp_client,emp_client_def > 8) $Run emp_client > H > You will see that as you enter the initial characters for the employeeC > surname ("S" is a good one to choose) a list of matching employee 
 last_namesK > are retrieved from the mf_personnel database and displayed. (If you press 9 > <select> when the menu is populated then you will get a K > smg$select_from_menu. A <select> here will retrieve the highlighted name)  > ) > Press <return> or ctrl/z when finished.  > H > OK! That's how a VMS client would work, please *PLEASE* show me a Java one! >  > Cheers Richard Maher > J > PS. The source code discussed in this post can be found in today's three0 > entries of mine in the following ITRC thread:- > L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1071300 >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2006 14:11:56 -0800- From: "Beach Runner" <Bob4Health@hotmail.com> $ Subject: Looking for a bunch of URLsB Message-ID: <1164750635.517732.216680@45g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Moved and lost bookmarks.    Tools, The site with t4,  availability manager freewareD cross reference on various hardware platforms and supported firmware   Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2006 14:21:09 -0800) From: "DaveG" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> ( Subject: Re: Looking for a bunch of URLsB Message-ID: <1164752469.560555.323810@45g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Beach Runner wrote:  > Moved and lost bookmarks.  >  > Tools, > The site with t4,  > availability manager
 > freewareF > cross reference on various hardware platforms and supported firmware >  > Thanks  < Tools:  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html  < T4: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/t4/index.html  B AM: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/index.html  5 Freeware: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/freeware/    H/W support chart:6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/hw_supportchart.html  : Alpha F/W:  http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:11:01 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>( Subject: Re: Looking for a bunch of URLs) Message-ID: <ekij6m$27l7$1@pyrite.mv.net>    DaveG wrote: > Beach Runner wrote:  >> Moved and lost bookmarks. ..> > Tools:  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/opensource.html ...   D    And for those other bookmarks that inevitably become lost -- and D having just gone through this same sort of a "bookmark rebuild" for + other reasons, you have my sympathies here.   I    With a quick trip over to Google, adding site:hp.com onto your search  E can really help find stuff at the HP web site -- this Google keyword  C search makes it far easier to find information at the HP web site.  ; Whether HP-wide, or specifically on the OpenVMS web server.   D    Various web browsers also allow you to export and/or upload your E bookmarks for safekeeping, too.  The bookmark management tool within  C Firefox has an export option, and can generate a vanilla HTML file  " containing your current bookmarks.  E    What are hopefully various useful URLs are piled into the OpenVMS  I FAQ.  And <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/vmsfaq/> is likely going to be and  + remain the most current version of the FAQ.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2006 12:20:25 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: OpenVMS Support Issues A Message-ID: <1164745225.779762.7810@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:J > > OK. But the main point is that the TOS people live or die depending on5 > > how the general public accepts their programming.  > K > No, the TOS people lived or died depending on the colour of their shirts. / > The red ones died. The other ones didn't die.    Except for Scotty, of course!    AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2006 13:43:37 -0800- From: "Beach Runner" <Bob4Health@hotmail.com> # Subject: Re: OpenVMS Support Issues C Message-ID: <1164750217.021917.208620@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1164520070.551042.321500@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ) > 	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > > J > > Well, it may be that writing won't help in this case. But sometimes itH > > does. It saved Star Trek TOS once (but not the second time), and got > > Paramount to make a movie. > J > Are you equating VMS with TOS?  One was worthlessi and saving it a total% > waste of time, you guess which one.  >  > > J > > But if you do write, be polite and to the point and try to show how itE > > affects HP or whoever is reading it. Hey, it's not like you'll be J > > spending months writing a novel, or breaking your back digging a moat.J > > It's just a letter or two, ... or three. But when you're done with theH > > letter, put it down. Wait some time. And then pick up the letter andK > > read it imagining someone sent it to you. How would you react to it? If F > > you'd react negatively, tear it up and try again. Yeah, it may not2 > > work, but doing nothing definitely won't work. > G > And include lot's of jokes, cause the reader is going to laughing his  > ass off anyway.... >  > > J > > Remember baseball. We've all seen it. The umpire makes a controversialI > > call. One of the managers comes out of the dugout and goes to yell at G > > and argue with the ump. Has that ever, even once, changed the ump's G > > mind? I've never seen it. Even if it has happened, it's certainly a : > > tiny minority of all such arguments. So keep it civil. > I > Really bad example.  The manager isn't going out there to try to change J > the unpire's mind.  He is going out there to put on a show for the fans.7 > Afterall, it's all just supposed to be entertainment.  >  > > J > > Cancelling your support contract (or not renewing it, or whatever) mayH > > also help. And who knows? It may not. They might not care even about: > > that! But when you've got nothing to lose...go for it! > G > The only option that will have any effect.  It will give them another I > yawn, but it wil give you the money to spend elsewhere on real support.  >  > bill >  > --D A company I know complained about their support.  HP said, so get it
 elsewhere.G They had large purchases for many products on order. They put a hold on  all of them., Lots of people with suits from HP showed up.  5 THAT made a real change. Not theory. Not maybe. FACT.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:51:33 -0700 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam># Subject: Re: OpenVMS Support Issues 6 Message-ID: <456caf67$0$10297$815e3792@news.qwest.net>  9 "Beach Runner" <Bob4Health@hotmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1164750217.021917.208620@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...  > F > A company I know complained about their support.  HP said, so get it > elsewhere.I > They had large purchases for many products on order. They put a hold on  > all of them.. > Lots of people with suits from HP showed up. > 7 > THAT made a real change. Not theory. Not maybe. FACT.  >   G Unfortunately this is the only way to get most corporations to listen.  = Those of us in small companies don't have that type of clout.   
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2006 14:01:16 -0800! From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@uk2.net> # Subject: Re: OpenVMS Support Issues B Message-ID: <1164751276.005473.254710@45g2000cws.googlegroups.com>   Michael D. Ober wrote: > H > Unfortunately this is the only way to get most corporations to listen.? > Those of us in small companies don't have that type of clout.  >   B Perhaps then a collective voice through the user groups is the way forward for smaller companies.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:07:42 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> # Subject: Re: OpenVMS Support Issues J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-0D567D.02074229112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  9 In article <IrednRAyF5OHvPTYnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@libcom.com>, )  Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote:  > > I > > I agree in principle. However, here we have an HP employee sincerely  K > > wanting to help fix the internal problems and asking the VMS community  8 > > for some ammunition to help her move some mountains. > > I > > In that context, it is not much to ask the VMS community to do a bit  M > > extra and log the call numbers and report back to Sue where there is bad   > > service. > > M > > Is Sue goes to management and says that people on C.O.V. are complaining  J > > about support quality , but she cannot provide any concrete examples, L > > how seriously do you think her statements will be taken ? Consider that O > > C.O.V. is often seen as "complain.OS.VMS" by certain key management people.  > & > Got to (gag) agree with JF, (again). >   3 Yes. Credit where it is due. JF put that very well.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:13:09 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)* Subject: Re: public-key ssh into VMS 7.3-12 Message-ID: <06112814130896_2020028F@antinode.org>  8 From: colonel@monmouth.com (A Deaf Heart, A Loose Liver)   > > alp $ tcpip show version > > ? > >   HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 H > >   on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 > I > We too have 5.4, no E.C.O.  I got the SSH 1.3 from Compaq, which is now  > Hewlett-Packard.  +    I'd advise getting the latest TCPIP ECO.   K > >    From which kind(s) of system(s) are you trying to "ssh" into the VMS 9 > > system?  (And what sort of "ssh" is available there?)  > G > Mainly from Linux.  We also use Solaris, AIX, and Cygwin.  We have no E > trouble with public-key login between different systems except with 
 > OpenVMS.      Ok.  It may be curable.  H > >    Were you planning to generate keys on the VMS system, or were youD > > planning to use keys which were generated on a foreign/differentG > > system?  (I generated my keys on a VMS system and converted them on I > > Solaris systems using "ssh-keygen -X" or "ssh-keygen -i" or by manual A > > editing, but it should be possible to go the other way, too.)  > E > I tried generating the keys on VMS with the "openssl" tool. (I have F > not found any ssh-keygen tool on our VMS system.) But I need to knowC > which directories to put the files in, how the files should look, E > and what permissions they should have.  I have experimented freely.   E    Around here (as documented), SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS.COM  contains things like:    $ !  $ ! ssh2 utilities $ ! K $     scp*2         :== $'f$edit("sys$system:tcpip$ssh_scp2.exe","upcase")' L $     sftp*2        :== $'f$edit("sys$system:tcpip$ssh_sftp2.exe","upcase")'K $     ssh*2         :== $'f$edit("sys$system:tcpip$ssh_ssh2.exe","upcase")' O $     ssh_add*2     :== $'f$edit("sys$system:tcpip$ssh_ssh-add2.exe","upcase")' b $     ssh_agent*2   :== spawn /nowait run 'f$edit("sys$system:tcpip$ssh_ssh-agent2.exe","upcase")'R $     ssh_keygen*2  :== $'f$edit("sys$system:tcpip$ssh_ssh-keygen2.exe","upcase")'  C I don't know how far back such things go, so I'd advise getting the  latest TCPIP ECO.   G > On our Solaris and Linux systems, ssh-keygen has no -h option.  But I G > think I could put the keys in a format that works if I knew the names E > of the files that are to hold them, and the directories that are to : > hold the files!  The manual does not seem to mention it.  F    Under a user's SYS$LOGIN, there's a [.SSH2] directory.  It contains things like:  7 AUTHORIZATION.          Lines like: KEY you_name_it.PUB H HOSTKEYS.DIR            Where host key files are stored (automatically).6 IDENTIFICATION.         A line like: IdKey you_name_it? RANDOM_SEED.            Binary stuff (automatically generated). ) you_name_it.            Private key file. 6 you_name_it.PUB         Corresponding public key file.  E    The key files here all have multiple, length-limited lines, and so E are friendlier to text editors.   A private key file looks like this:   * ---- BEGIN SSH2 ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY ---- Subject: smsG Comment: "1024-bit dsa, sms@alp.antinode.org, Fri Jun 27 2003 03:57:52" F Actual_key_text_on_as_many_70-character_lines_as_needed_to_hold_all_th0 e_data.__The_last_line_will_probably_be_shorter.( ---- END SSH2 ENCRYPTED PRIVATE KEY ----   That should look familiar.  D    A public key looks about the same, except for the header-footers:   ---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ----  Subject: smsG Comment: "1024-bit dsa, sms@alp.antinode.org, Fri Jun 27 2003 03:57:52" F Actual_key_text_on_as_many_70-character_lines_as_needed_to_hold_all_th0 e_data.__The_last_line_will_probably_be_shorter. ---- END SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ----   H That should look different, but you should be able to reformat/chop-up a2 single-line OpenSSH format file to look like this.  E    All the program-generated files are "Record format: Stream_LF".  I @ don't know if other formats cause trouble.  My AUTHORIZATION andE IDENTIFICATION files are EDIT/TPU-created, so they're "Record format: 9 Variable length", so it's not a super-strict requirement.   D    After that, output from a command like "ssh -v VMS_HOST" could be helpful.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:46:53 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> H Subject: Re: Reloading Alpha drivers, was: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel supportJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-71AA9B.23465328112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <eWWVJ5A+04Em@eisner.encompasserve.org>, D  clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) wrote:   > O > Later messages have pointed out that you need to reboot to reload the driver. J > In case you are interested, the issue of reloading drivers under VMS has* > been raised before, including by myself. >  > Search Google Groups for:  > 1 > 	group:comp.os.vms "simon clubley" alpha reload  > % > and read the threads if interested.  > M > BTW, reloading device drivers (if they are not compiled into the kernel) is ! > a standard capability in Linux.  > G > You would not believe how much time that saves when you are trying to 4 > correctly interpret a badly written datasheet. :-) >   D That is something which has always been missing on VMS. RT-11 had a @ means to unload a device driver and it was a very handy feature.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:49:20 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>H Subject: Re: Reloading Alpha drivers, was: Re: Mouse: thumbwheel support) Message-ID: <ekihu1$279e$1@pyrite.mv.net>    JF Mezei wrote:   H > *IF* that had been done, would it implicetely also allow one to solve J > RWAST (and other nasty RW states) ?  Wouldn't it implicetely have to be ? > able to cancel all pending IOs safely to quiesce the device ?   I    If this were an easy and effective fix for some reasonable percentage  D of the potential triggers for resource wait states, then there is a I reasonable likelihood it would have been implemented somewhere along the  H line.  (I'd not expect this mechanism, BTW, would be a fix for resource  waits.)   F    And yes, the (cooperating) device driver would have to quiesce the I device, lest something happen in mid-reload, or lest an I/O become lost.  I   I coded a version of this for a set of class and port drivers, and the  D class driver had to ensure that the port driver was in a safe state H before the class driver could disconnect from the port device, and also I similar checks before the port driver reloaded microcode into the device   and/or restarted the device.  F    A resource wait is intended as a form of a blade-guard, too.  It's E intended to avoid system-wide problems arising from process-level or  H application-level errors.  It's not so much something to be bypassed as F much as something to be understood and either throttled otherwise, or J resolved through configuration changes.  And the triggers can and do vary.  H    A lost I/O can cause an RWAST.  (And for those cases where an I/O is H stuck, a reload/restart routine might help.  For cases where the I/O is E well and truly lost, or when a counter is off, or when the device is  G stuck, a reload/restart likely won't help.  These are software errors.  H Now that checkpoint-restart mechanism discussed else-thread might be of H some help -- somewhat -- as it would potentially allow a checkpoint and G a reboot/reset/restart/transfer-to-another-cluster-member and followed   by an application restart.)   G    Having the ability to reload a device would be handy for debugging.  F As it is, you can hack this in using a shell of a driver, and loading I the "real" code into the kernel through other means.  Or just reboot the  F box, something which is far faster than it used to be, back when fast G boot was around.  This would involve having the drivers connect itself  F together at run-time -- passing around IRPs, for instance.  Massively  ugly hack, yes.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:14:50 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> : Subject: Re: SYSTEM-F-INFSMEM, insufficient dynamic memoryJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-6EA0B6.00145029112006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <ZYVUt35do3e5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, /  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   H > In article <ZL-dneVAVaJPDfvYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble  > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > > Malcolm Dunnett wrote:@ > >> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message 7 > >> news:1fa61$4565302e$cef8887a$14243@TEKSAVVY.COM...  > >>  M > >>> Downgrading to DECNET-5 requires a LOT more system resources (and disk  
 > >>> space).  > >>> > > >>     I realize that, but I thought I should give it a try. > > 8 > > Now why would you have such a lapse in common sense? > > J > > I realize there can be reasons to run Phase 5, but if you do not have 6 > > one of these reasons,  my question is appropriate. > I > Getting experience running it seems like a good reason, taking time now D > against the day when one of those business-critical needs arrives.  F I chose to run Phase V on my Hobbyist Alpha precisely for that reason.  I My VAX OTOH came already configured with Phase IV and I decided to leave  C it that way  because it was slow enough already. It's nodename was  C SPEEDY, which I also decided to keep for the sheer humour of it :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:51:45 GMT ' From: jls <jeffls-nospam@sbcglobal.net> = Subject: Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC 8 Message-ID: <knbpm2plbs808e8lqci96ocmgdla5uu7rs@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:08:46 GMT, ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk>  wrote:   >Bob Koehler wrote: d >> In article <1GK9h.58035$Ib.50385@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, ChrisQuayle <nospam@devnul.co.uk> writes: >>  H >>>Then I am out of date. It's some time since I used VMS in anger, but J >>>still have fond memories of years spent programming macro11, 32, Vax C K >>>etc.  I think there was an dec bias against unix and anything connected  D >>>and this was reflected in the grudging support for tcp/ip, the C  >>>language etc. >>   >>  I >>    Grudge against UNIX?  Is that why they made a BSD UNIX available on J >>    every model VAX they sold?  Grudge against C?  They had a C compiler, >>    before ANSI had a C language standard. > I >True, Dec did offer unix and supported external development, but during  H >my time at css Reading, (1980's) unix was definately considered second  >rate.    E Well, to be fair, the state of Unix back then - considering the state = of Enterprise Computing and Infrastructures on Mainframes and - VMSclusters - really was 2nd rate (or below).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:22:48 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> & Subject: VAX 11/730 SABACKUP questions0 Message-ID: <4t4jotF126gglU1@mid.individual.net>  ? I need some help from the way back machine.  (Old farts unite!)   H I have a client with an IDC 11/730 (R80/RL02/TU80).  They don't want to  replace it.   G The system disk (R80) died and has been replaced.  Now they can't find   their SABACKUP media.   F What are my options here?  I know how to boot SABACKUP from a TU58 or K RL02, but I don't have a machine that I can use to generate media for them.   I Is there a way to boot a 730 from the TU80?  If so, could some kind soul  . provide me with the relevant console commands?  F With a DEUNA, is there a way to boot a 730 as a satellite?  How about  from an Infoserver?   B If, as I suspect, I am out of luck on these alternate methods, is G someone set up to generate SABACKUP media on TU58 or RL02?  The target  A OS is VMS 5.4, but I think any 5.2 or later SABACKUP should work.    Thanx!   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.656 ************************