INFO-VAX Mon, 08 Jan 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 16 Contents: "reverse pathworks" ? Re: "reverse pathworks" ? Re: DS10L disk devices Re: DS10L disk devices Re: JPEG files on VMS Re: JPEG files on VMS Re: OpenVMS Licence for people in Asia Re: SIMH hints and tips please Re: SIMH hints and tips please Re: SIMH hints and tips please Re: SIMH hints and tips please Windoze CD/DVD burning software and OpenVMS long file names Re: Windoze CD/DVD burning software and OpenVMS long file names Re: Windoze CD/DVD burning software and OpenVMS long file names Re: Windoze CD/DVD burning software and OpenVMS long file names Re: [ODS2_WIN32] Reading ODS2/ODS5 CDs/volumes on Win32/Win64? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jan 2007 05:48:40 -0800 From: "Pierre" Subject: "reverse pathworks" ? Message-ID: <1168264120.562395.193740@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> hi, with pathworks (ou SAMBA) I can access OVMS file from a PC. is there a way to reverse this process and access PC files from OVMS ? TIA, Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 08:30:29 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: "reverse pathworks" ? Message-ID: In article <1168264120.562395.193740@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Pierre" writes: > hi, > > with pathworks (ou SAMBA) I can access OVMS file from a PC. is there a > way to reverse this process and access PC files from OVMS ? > Yes. You should be able to set your PC to serve the disk, or at least the directory tree, and access it via Samba on the VMS system. You could also do it via other protocols, like NFS. IMHO Samba is more likely to get it right. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 05:58:49 -0800 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: DS10L disk devices Message-ID: <1168264729.130247.142220@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com> But there's a fundamental difference between IDE and SCSI. IDE expects the devices to be there, SCSI doesn't. Steve JF Mezei wrote: > Michael Moroney wrote: > > It seems the IDE driver creates devices (UCBs) for the possible IDE drives > > and then looks to see if there's anything there. If it were up to me, > > I'd eliminate the UCB if there's nothing there, or, better yet, never > > create it in the first place. Think of SCSI, it doesn't create phantom > > drives for every unused SCSI ID on a SCSI bus. > > Silly me. Someone reminded me via private email that in a cluster not all > devices are served. > > So, from the point of view of BIKE, its own devices had the superfluous > devices but CHAIN didn't. > > So, from the point of view of CHAIN, its own devices had the superfluous > devices but BIKE didn't. > > So the clustering software does not propagate those non-existent empty devices. > > But it would still be nice if VMS didn't create those devices to begin > with. When using F$DEVICE to get a list of disks, once gets a number of > nonexistant devices, so you have to test for > f$getdvi(x, "AVL") .AND. f$getdvi(x,"SERVED_DEVICE") to isolate those local > nonexistant disks. (normally a non available drive would be assumed to be > off-node and not that node's responsability) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:52:09 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: DS10L disk devices Message-ID: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: >But there's a fundamental difference between IDE and SCSI. IDE expects >the devices to be there, SCSI doesn't. I don't know what you mean by that. Many many systems have only one (or even zero) drives attached to their IDE connections. That includes every single DS10L that doesn't have some sort of cable sticking out of the box. Windoze certainly doesn't create phantom D: drives if there's only one physical drive connected. The big difference is that IDE allows only two (master and slave) and SCSI allows 7 or 15 (one for the host). As to JF's phantom floppy drive, either the floppy control bus doesn't have an easy way to determine if there's a drive there, or the driver is stupid like the IDE driver and doesn't check before creating a UCB for the drive. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 08:23:05 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: JPEG files on VMS Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > In article , > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > >> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >> >> > I'm assuming that to get the files to a VMS hard disk I would use BACKUP >> > from the CD. >> >> I would presume a camera or another operating system would create discs >> in ISO 9660 format. Perhaps Backup can read that, but I would think >> COPY would be a more likely candidate. Backup has a habit of doing >> some of its own file system work, but this is not ODS-n. > > I can certainly put the CDs I have (scanned by the developer of the film > and certainly intended for a PC) in a CD-ROM drive on a VAX or ALPHA, > MOUNT it and view the contents with a web browser. So I assume that VMS > sees it as Files-11. I don't know if BACKUP handles it, but ISO 9660 is Files-11 ODS-3 as far as VMS is concerned. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 08:25:31 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: JPEG files on VMS Message-ID: In article , Dan Foster writes: > > Highly doubtful; it is more likely that MOUNT in more recent VMS > versions has been trained/taught how to auto-detect ISO9660, perhaps? > Yes. Mount does auto-detect ISO 9660, and IIRC High Sierra on current versions of VMS. When ISO 9660 support was first added one had to specify /media_format=cdrom. Once a volume is mounted "show device/full" should tell you what format was recognised. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:38:54 +0100 From: Michael Unger Subject: Re: OpenVMS Licence for people in Asia Message-ID: <50f4jqF1fpe28U1@mid.individual.net> On 2007-01-08 15:15, "Bob Koehler" wrote: > I haven't looked in a long time since I'm happy with SIMH. > Charon-VAX sometimes has a free version but it seems to come and go > so I quit using it. It is usually available as "CHARON-VAX/Demonstration for Windows" at but currently it is said there: "The test license is valid until 9 January 2007, runtime limited to 3 hours". (And it is rather large -- 26 MB.) Michael -- Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 03:29:00 -0800 From: "Galen" Subject: Re: SIMH hints and tips please Message-ID: <1168255740.643150.239290@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com> Dave, What version of OS X are you running? My guess would be 10.4.x? I was never able to get networking to fly on my 10.3.9 system. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 05:26:53 -0800 From: "David B Sneddon" Subject: Re: SIMH hints and tips please Message-ID: <1168262812.988841.10400@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> On Jan 8, 7:29 pm, "Galen" wrote: > Dave, > > What version of OS X are you running? My guess would be 10.4.x? I was > never able to get networking to fly on my 10.3.9 system. Yes it is 10.4.x. I did have it running once on a 10.3.x system but then changes were made to simh and it broke :-( Dave ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 06:10:11 -0800 From: "Galen" Subject: Re: SIMH hints and tips please Message-ID: <1168265409.721019.203410@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> > I did have it running once on a 10.3.x system but then changes were made to simh and it broke :-( Been there, done that, still have the bruises to prove it (from beating my head against the wall. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:12:56 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: SIMH hints and tips please Message-ID: In article <1168262812.988841.10400@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, "David B Sneddon" wrote: > On Jan 8, 7:29 pm, "Galen" wrote: > > Dave, > > > > What version of OS X are you running? My guess would be 10.4.x? I was > > never able to get networking to fly on my 10.3.9 system. > > Yes it is 10.4.x. I did have it running once on a > 10.3.x system but then changes were made to simh > and it broke :-( > Do you need a second NIC to get the networking going? -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 04:00:41 -0800 From: "Galen" Subject: Windoze CD/DVD burning software and OpenVMS long file names Message-ID: <1168257640.955545.316010@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> I have a recent limited OEM version of Nero (Nero Express 6.6) which doesn't offer a lot of control over file name formats. The only file name related setting I can find is "Check Joliet file names before burning." There's no mention of ISO 9660 in the preferences at all. When used on VMS, the CDs it produces have only 8.3 format filenames though when mounted on a Windows box the long names show up. If' there's any way to get long file names that VMS will recognize, it's pretty cleverly concealed. IBM's RecordNow (perhaps also a limited version) is also available. I guess it comes with the IBM/Lenovo systems we use, but it has the same limitation. Does the current full version of Nero work any better? In the past I've found Roxio Easy CD Creator (the full version at least) could do the job. Is there any reason to prefer either of these, or some other vendor's product? Thanks for your suggestions and opinions... ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 2007 06:08:20 -0800 From: "Galen" Subject: Re: Windoze CD/DVD burning software and OpenVMS long file names Message-ID: <1168265300.583204.208650@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > vax...@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) wrote: > > > My advice: put the file into a zip-file and use 8.3 names for > the archiv. > Even using zip files, the 8.3 names make it harder for an inexperienced user (or an experienced user who's critically low on caffeine :-) to tell at a glance, with a mere DIRECTORY command, what is on a disk. If I create a disk with two dozen ECO kits, half a dozen freeware downloads, and a hodge podge of other kinds of files, I'd much prefer to use DIR than to use UNZIP to list each archive individually. > It is better to produce CDs/DVDs with OpenVMS file structure > with programs that are available (cdrecord,DVDwrite or others). I don't (and can't) have a VMS system on our company's unclassified network to use for burning CDs. All of our VMS systems in this project are on a private secure network that isn't Internetworked at all. It would be a major bureaucratic battle to try to change this. So I need something that will run on Windows. Commercial software is the easiest kind to persuade the IT folks to allow on our corporate net. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:55:44 +0100 From: Michael Unger Subject: Re: Windoze CD/DVD burning software and OpenVMS long file names Message-ID: <50f4k2F1fpe28U2@mid.individual.net> On 2007-01-08 13:00, "Galen" wrote: > [...] > > IBM's RecordNow (perhaps also a limited version) is also available. I ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > guess it comes with the IBM/Lenovo systems we use, but it has the same ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > limitation. It's (currently) a product of "Sonic Solutions" () and delivered as an _OEM_ version with IBM/Lenovo systems which have an CD/DVD burner available. > [...] Michael -- Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:33:50 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Windoze CD/DVD burning software and OpenVMS long file names Message-ID: In article <1168265300.583204.208650@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Galen" wrote: > Even using zip files, the 8.3 names make it harder for an inexperienced > user (or an experienced user who's critically low on caffeine :-) to > tell at a glance, with a mere DIRECTORY command, what is on a disk. > > If I create a disk with two dozen ECO kits, half a dozen freeware > downloads, and a hodge podge of other kinds of files, I'd much prefer > to use DIR than to use UNZIP to list each archive individually. Not perfect I know, but would a text file listing of the zip file contents help? -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:01:19 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: [ODS2_WIN32] Reading ODS2/ODS5 CDs/volumes on Win32/Win64? Message-ID: In article , Hans Bachner wrote: > Hallo Peter, > > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > > > What is the current status of reading/writing ODS2/ODS5 CDs/volumes > > on Win32/Win64 systems (XP/Vista)? > > > > I remember having been able to read ODS2 CDs on Windows by downloading > > the ODS2.ZIP from Hunters server (and Adaptec's ASPI package) many > > years ago. > > > > But I'm currently unable to even get the least functionality (read > > ODS2 CDs) on my XP Home SP2 notebook. > > > > ODS2_WIN32.EXE claims about ASPI problems. I thought, that ASPI is > > already in XP (or maybe was installed by NERO, because Nero works with > > my DVD burner) or is/was replaced by SPTI (SCSI Pass Through > > Interface) eventually. I even tried to download and install ASPI (for > > WinXP) from ADAPTECs side, but alas, still a no-go. > > works fine for me. I just copied WNASPI32.DLL from oen of the Nero > folders into the directory where my ods2[_win32].exe resides. > > Here's the proof :-) > E:\ODS-2 Reader>ods2 > ODS2 V1.3 > $> mount x: > ASPI (Bus 1,ID 0) HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GWA-4080N 0C09 Removable 2048 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, Volume VMS073LP mounted on x: > $> dir x:[kits] /size /date > > Directory x:[KITS] > > DECAMDS_073_KIT.DIR;1 > 1 6-APR-2001 16:01:42.68 > DWMOTIF_VAX124_KIT.DIR;1 > 1 6-APR-2001 16:02:15.74 > > Total of 2 files, 2 blocks. > Unfamiliar with this program (so far), can I assume that it only reads CDs? IOW, can it mount other disks or even plain container files such as an ODS2 image sitting on disk? -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.016 ************************