INFO-VAX Wed, 24 Jan 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 48 Contents: Re: Diskmizer 2.1 License Re: Excellent OpenVMS Pearl - Customer Testimonial - Saturn Electrohandels Re: Free DS10L Re: Going from Pathworks 7.3 to Samba Re: Going from Pathworks 7.3 to Samba RE: Going from Pathworks 7.3 to Samba Re: Help with Brand NEW ES47 Re: How to get the codec from a file ? Re: How to get the codec from a file ? New HP Daylight Savings Time ( DST ) Web Site OpenSSL & OSU Re: OpenSSL & OSU Re: OpenSSL & OSU Re: PL/I for Itanium Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Re: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Re: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Re: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Re: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. SAS drops vms itanium port but not HP unix! Re: SAS drops vms itanium port but not HP unix! Re: SAS drops vms itanium port but not HP unix! Re: UPI 09S Re: UPI 09S Re: VMS in the HP hierarchy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Jan 2007 08:48:55 -0800 From: "bclaremont" Subject: Re: Diskmizer 2.1 License Message-ID: <1169657335.664358.151820@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> A kind soul has provided me with a license suitable for the upgraded MicroVAX processor I installed. Thanks to all for your input and assistance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:09:53 +0000 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: Excellent OpenVMS Pearl - Customer Testimonial - Saturn Electrohandels Message-ID: Sue wrote: > Dear Distribution Lists, > > It is truly my please to announce the availability of a wonderful > customer testimonial from Saturn Electrohandel from Germany. Please > visit the web site to watch the video or read a transcript. This > customer has VMS running on Integrity Servers with 5 HP StorageWorks > EVA with 9 terabytes of storage capacity. > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/saturn Nice! I know that store (Saturn in Cologne) very well. Been there many times. Is that Guenter Kriebel in the film ? (Hallo Guenter ... es ist lange her, gell ?) Roy Omond Blue Bubble Ltd. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:10:15 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Free DS10L Message-ID: <45b7a13f$0$29201$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: > Another prize Draw Can I participate in this one ? Or must I wait some more ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:43:02 -0500 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: Going from Pathworks 7.3 to Samba Message-ID: dky wrote: > Hi, > > Some clarifications: > 1. Regarding "Pathworks is dead": It is far from over. As discussed in > the thread, the source code is not longer available from MS. This makes > it difficult to keep it updated with the new and fancy MS clients. But, > the engineering strives to qualify and make minor changes if possible > to make it work with new MS clients (at times, it does become almost > impossible). > >> IIRC, the Samba community is made up that HP are coming in and >> doing development for the open source community on this one. > > We are putting in changes to make it work on VMS. Not too sure whether > it will become part of main line Samba. The changes we put in will be > also covered by GPL (so, code is available in the kit). The current > developer builds (not yet released on the HP web) has a whole lot of > features that are not available in the version pt up on the web. There > are some hiccups that we are ironing out. > >>> 3) Can SAMBA and A/S coexist on the same server? > > If you have 2 NIC cards, you can bind the ports of the two different > NIC cards to ASV & Samba (at least theoretically and I do know a CSC > who has made this work). Let me know if you are keen on knowing the > details. > > -dky > > -- > ~ My personal views ~ > Samba is not a full replacement for Pathworks. It only does tcpip. Pathworks also does Decnet, NetBEUI. I thought it also does LAt and IPX/SPX but I don't see it documented anymore. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 07:56:44 -0800 From: "jbigboote" Subject: Re: Going from Pathworks 7.3 to Samba Message-ID: <1169654203.770751.69140@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> No backport to 7.3-2 I assume? And it doesn't appear 8.3 on Alpha is supported yet either? At the moment those are the only two VMS versions I am running. Guess I'll try it on 8.3 and see if it works. On Jan 22, 3:27 am, "Ian Miller" wrote: > the current version of Samba is available as free download > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/network/CIFS_for_Samba.html > > for evaluation. HP intend to have tools to help you migrate to this. I > don't know how far they have got in providing these tools. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:08:25 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Going from Pathworks 7.3 to Samba Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sol gongola [mailto:sol@adldata.com]=20 > Sent: January 24, 2007 10:43 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Going from Pathworks 7.3 to Samba >=20 [snip...] >=20 > Samba is not a full replacement for Pathworks. It only does tcpip. > Pathworks also does Decnet, NetBEUI. > I thought it also does LAt and IPX/SPX but I don't see it=20 > documented anymore. >=20 I seem to remember reading that there were plans for VISTA to also no longer support older protocols like NetBEUI.=20 Perhaps someone can confirm what, if any, protocols were dropped with VISTA? Thx Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 10:32:17 -0800 From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" Subject: Re: Help with Brand NEW ES47 Message-ID: <1169663537.861535.274550@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> So what exactly did you try and how/when did it fail Are you building from scratch booting a V5.1B (rev 2650) distribution ? Trying to boot an old system disk? Be sure to boot -fi genvmuix Hein. On Jan 24, 12:33 pm, "Island Computers, D B Turner" wrote: > We have a couple of NEW ES47 here that came in as OpenVMS machines, but were > supposed to be Unix > We "assumed" that you just change the os_type and boot_osflags to Unix but > they are not taking > Does anyone know if the MBM settings need to be changed and if so what to do > ?!? > > DT > > -- > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St > Savannah GA 31404 > Tel: 912 447 6622 x201 > Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com > (You know what to do with the dashes) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:24:08 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: How to get the codec from a file ? Message-ID: In article <12rdnp4tie58u6f@corp.supernews.com>, Louis Krupp writes: >If you have a UNIX or Linux system handy, you might be able to download >a Linux or BSD distribution with the source for the "file" command. >Since it's most likely just a C program, you could port it to VMS and >hopefully have something close to the UNIX functionality you're looking for. This won't be of much help. As the type of information requested is not stored in an OpenVMS file there is no way to retrieve this information. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:57:27 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: How to get the codec from a file ? Message-ID: In article , "Richard Brodie" writes: > >"Christoph Gartmann" wrote in message >news:ep7538$deh$1@news.BelWue.DE... >> In article <12rdnp4tie58u6f@corp.supernews.com>, Louis Krupp >> writes: > >>>Since it's most likely just a C program, you could port it to VMS and >>>hopefully have something close to the UNIX functionality you're looking for. >> >> This won't be of much help. As the type of information requested is not stored >> in an OpenVMS file there is no way to retrieve this information. > >There is no way to retrieve it on Unix either, so file makes it up. >If it doesn't get upset over record delimiters it might work just as well on >VMS as Unix (i.e. not very). Ok, but then it will need some tweaking if directly ported from Unix. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:54:42 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: New HP Daylight Savings Time ( DST ) Web Site Message-ID: All, The following cross platform HP web site may be of interest for those planning for the new US based DST changes.=20 http://h10072.www1.hp.com/dst/ This web site is meant to be a collection point for HP hardware, software, storage, networking and management software patches required. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:30:27 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: OpenSSL & OSU Message-ID: Hello, I posted it to the OSU mailing list with no response. So I try it here again: somehow I am unable to upgrade upgrade OpenSSL from Version 0.97beta to 0.98d. I recompiled TSERVER_SSL and TSERVER_DNET, did an INSTALL REPLACE of TSERVER_SSL, no way. The strange thing is that the newly compiled images still work with the old version. A look in WWWSSL.LOG reveals nothing but: $ RUN SSLEXE:SSL_TASK.EXE status of assign to SYS$NET: 1609 cipher list: RC4-MD5:EXP-RC4-MD5:IDEA-CBC-MD5:EXP-RC2-CBC-MD5:DES-CBC-MD5:DES-C ELAPSED: 0 00:00:00.83 CPU: 0:00:00.58 BUFIO: 511 DIRIO: 0 FAULTS: 53 $! With the previous version the logs look slightly different: $ RUN SSLEXE:SSL_TASK.EXE status of assign to SYS$NET: 1609 cipher list: RC4-MD5:EXP-RC4-MD5:IDEA-CBC-MD5:EXP-RC2-CBC-MD5:DES-CBC-MD5:DES-C Loaded server certificate: 'SSL_SERVER_CERTIFICATE' ELAPSED: 0 00:00:00.84 CPU: 0:00:00.66 BUFIO: 517 DIRIO: 2 FAULTS: 67 Begin doit main loop Error in main loop get: 8428 DONE ELAPSED: 0 00:00:01.91 CPU: 0:00:00.79 BUFIO: 1029 DIRIO: 2 FAULTS: 81 ELAPSED: 0 00:00:01.91 CPU: 0:00:00.79 BUFIO: 1029 DIRIO: 2 FAULTS: 81 So has anyone successfully installed OpenSSL 0.98d with the OSU-Server? Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 06:50:24 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: OpenSSL & OSU Message-ID: <1169650222.301368.141740@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On Jan 24, 4:30 am, gartm...@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: > Hello, > > I posted it to the OSU mailing list with no response. So I try it here again: $ exit 8428 %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link Looks like the server disconnected from the DECnet task before getting the encrypt/decrypt result. Although it isn't a direct answer to you question, I've also had problems getting OSU and SSL working. Part of the problem is that in order for it to work with current web clients, it requires using the SSL_TASK method. The other two methods no longer appear to work (even noting Alan Winston's book and other resources for hints, playing with Cipher lists, etc). This is slow, and for a customer-facing web server with moderate traffic, it's too slow to just being unusable. I've moved most of my OSU web servers to Mark Daniel's WASD web server. It installs cleanly and all my original OSU scripting is supported. Configuring SSL was simple, and there is a MAJOR performance boost. The SSL encryption is done in-line rather than interacting with an external DECnet task, so there is much less overhead. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:57:22 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: OpenSSL & OSU Message-ID: In article <1169650222.301368.141740@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes: >On Jan 24, 4:30 am, gartm...@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph >Gartmann) wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I posted it to the OSU mailing list with no response. So I try it here again: > >$ exit 8428 >%SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link > >Looks like the server disconnected from the DECnet task before getting >the encrypt/decrypt result. Yes, but the version that produces the error above is the working one. >Although it isn't a direct answer to you question, I've also had >problems getting OSU and SSL working. Part of the problem is that in >order for it to work with current web clients, it requires using the >SSL_TASK method. Yes, I have been using SSL_TASK. It did work with several releases of OpenSSL but not with the newest :-( >I've moved most of my OSU web servers to Mark Daniel's WASD web server. > It installs cleanly and all my original OSU scripting is supported. >Configuring SSL was simple, and there is a MAJOR performance boost. >The SSL encryption is done in-line rather than interacting with an >external DECnet task, so there is much less overhead. Seems to me that I have to do the same if I can't get my problem resolved. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:06:37 +0300 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" Subject: Re: PL/I for Itanium Message-ID: <41794D95C6407208EE47622B0120D99F@NNTP.DeltaTel.RU> Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , "Ruslan R. Laishev" writes: > >>Hello, All! >> >> What is the status of the PL/I for Itanium, or company have planed to start >>migration software has been written on PL/I from Alpha to Itanium and continue >>development process ... >> >> Can someone provide useful pointers ? > > > Google Groups Search comes up with: > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/a3fd4bd1bd687eb1?hl=en& > > posted by Tom Linden of Kednos (the company that provides PL/I on VAX > and Alpha). That post ends with: > > ================================ > > >>p.s. Any word on PL/I for Itanium VMS? > > > No. Do you need it? If so have you told HP? Yes. Yes. > > ================================ > > From my most recent discussion with Tom Linden, I believe that status > is the same now as it was back then (February 8, 2006). > > As with all other topics, posting in comp.os.vms might be interesting > for the rest of us, but it does not constitute having "told HP". In > a business sense only Itaniums not sold (perhaps to the benefit of > IslandCo) will do that. > -- + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker ............. Skype: SysMan-One + Delta Telecom JSC, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operator Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 716-3222 +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only + ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 09:09:27 -0800 From: joshua.lutz@gmail.com Subject: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Message-ID: <1169658567.248452.34690@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> I need to get some files off our VMS host but don't have access to any network based protocols (scp, ftp, decnet, etc.) but we do have telnet access. Is there a built-in facility in VMS to do something akin to xmodem or ymodem terminal based file transfer? Thanks in advance. -Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:24:36 -0000 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Message-ID: wrote in message news:1169658567.248452.34690@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > Is there a built-in facility in VMS to do something akin to xmodem or > ymodem terminal based file transfer? Before FTP we would probably have used Kermit. If you forced me to do something like that with no ability to load anything on the VMS host, I'd just turn on file logging in my terminal emulator and use TYPE, or DUMP for a binary file. Reconstructing the file at the far end, I'll leave as an exercise for the reader. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:33:33 -0500 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Message-ID: <7dd80f60701240933k1e99464x7f7ba322c66ae4a0@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_7922_1128106.1169660013185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 24 Jan 2007 09:09:27 -0800, joshua.lutz@gmail.com wrote: > > I need to get some files off our VMS host but don't have access to any > network based protocols (scp, ftp, decnet, etc.) but we do have telnet > access. > > Is there a built-in facility in VMS to do something akin to xmodem or > ymodem terminal based file transfer? You want to use Kermit -- http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Ken ------=_Part_7922_1128106.1169660013185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 24 Jan 2007 09:09:27 -0800, joshua.lutz@gmail.com <joshua.lutz@gmail.com > wrote:
I need to get some files off our VMS host but don't have access to any
network based protocols (scp, ftp, decnet, etc.) but we do have telnet
access.

Is there a built-in facility in VMS to do something akin to xmodem or
ymodem terminal based file transfer?

You want to use  Kermit -- http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

Ken


------=_Part_7922_1128106.1169660013185-- ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 09:35:24 -0800 From: "Steve Bainbridge" Subject: Re: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Message-ID: <1169660120.308130.99770@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Jan 24, 5:09 pm, joshua.l...@gmail.com wrote: > I need to get some files off our VMS host but don't have access to any > network based protocols (scp, ftp, decnet, etc.) but we do have telnet > access. > > Is there a built-in facility in VMS to do something akin to xmodem or > ymodem terminal based file transfer? > > Thanks in advance. > > -Josh If the system you are transfering to is a PC then you can use Reflection (www.wrq.com), which is an excellent Terminal emulation program. It allows you to transfer files to/from VMS when logged in over Telnet. Steve ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 10:49:38 -0800 From: joshua.lutz@gmail.com Subject: Re: Remember back before FTP? Need to x-fer a file via terminal protocol. Message-ID: <1169664577.988176.213650@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> Thank you all. I went the zip->uuencode->pc->uudecode option. I wasn't sure if uuencode was available but it was. I've been lucky to have avoided terminal based xfers for a long time now. -Josh On Jan 24, 1:24 pm, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > joshua.l...@gmail.com skrev: > > > I need to get some files off our VMS host but don't have access to any > > network based protocols (scp, ftp, decnet, etc.) but we do have telnet > > access. > > > Is there a built-in facility in VMS to do something akin to xmodem or > > ymodem terminal based file transfer? > > > Thanks in advance. > > > -JoshOK, here is what I do when nothing else works... > > For a well formattet text file : > > From VMS : > Use TYPE and file logging in the emulator. > > To VMS : > Use CREATE and cut-n-paste of the file into the emulator. > > For *any* binary file : > > From VMS : > (Optional: Use ZIP on VMS to compress the file.) > uuencoce the file on VMS > Use TYPE and emulator-logging as above. > Decode on the PC (WinZIP or some uudecode tool) or whatever. > > To VMS : > ZIP the file using WinZIP. > Use "encode using uuencode" in WinZIP. > Use CREATE and cut-n-paste as above of the UU-file. > Use uudecode and UNZIP on VMS to recreate the file. > > If the binary file has anything else then 512 byte records, > you have to be carefull with the record formats, of course. >=20 > Regards, > Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 06:43:36 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: SAS drops vms itanium port but not HP unix! Message-ID: <1169649816.136007.265190@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> and this is going to make customers want to port to itanium or get universities on vms who many use SAS ... http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/01/23/5773599 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 07:25:09 -0800 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: SAS drops vms itanium port but not HP unix! Message-ID: <1169652309.020270.263600@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 24 Jan, 14:43, b...@instantwhip.com wrote: > and this is going to make customers want to port to itanium or > get universities on vms who many use SAS ... > If you read the SAS statement you will note that the reasons they have cited for not porting to Itanium are lack of demand. This would tend to suggest that the impact of this decision will be low. regards Andrew Harrison > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/01/23/5773599 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 08:16:39 -0800 From: "Ian Miller" Subject: Re: SAS drops vms itanium port but not HP unix! Message-ID: <1169655399.495488.11510@13g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Exactly. As I asked elsewhere, how many people responded last October when they said they would end support for OpenVMS Alpha http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/10/20/4267457 Not enough I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:47:33 -0000 From: "Tim Jackson" Subject: Re: UPI 09S Message-ID: <45b73623$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net> "Rich Jordan" wrote in message news:1169572228.880337.59980@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >> I'm having a dialog about me maintenance agreement. >> Can anyone tell me what UPI 09S is? >> Is there an online DB for UPI codes, with long descriptions >> or better yet text describing them? > > UPI 09S: "OpenVMS VAX Operating System Distributed Interactive Us" > > QA-09SAA-GZ-#.# - BASE DOC KIT FOR VERSION #.# > > "Software License" > > QA-09SAA-H5 - OVMS VAX SW and Base Documentation TK50 > QA-09SAB-HM - OVMS VAX SW and Base Documentation Magtape > QA-09SAA-H8 - OVMS VAX SW and Base Documentation CDROM > > QL-09SA9-B* - OVMS user licenses, V6.0 and later (V6.2+ for > concurrent, Alpha usable in cluster) > > "Services" > > QT-09SAA-E5 - MDDS TK50 (same desc. as -H5 above) > QT-09SAB-EM - MDDS Magtape (same desc as -HM above) > QT-09SAA-E8 - MDDS CDROM (same desc as -H8 above) > > > The best source I know of is the old price books; the above are out of > the December 29, 1998, the only ones that weren't pitched when I wasn't > there to protect them... > Details are also listed in the current VAX VMS SPD at http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:19:06 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: UPI 09S Message-ID: DQoNCiJUaW0gSmFja3NvbiIgPCJub2JvZHkgYmFlc3lzdGVtcy5jb20iIChhdCk+IHdyb3RlIG9u IDAxLzI0LzIwMDcgMDU6NDc6MzMNCkFNOg0KDQo+ICJSaWNoIEpvcmRhbiIgPGpvcmRhbkBjY3M0 dm1zLmNvbT4gd3JvdGUgaW4gbWVzc2FnZQ0KPiBuZXdzOjExNjk1NzIyMjguODgwMzM3LjU5OTgw QHY0NWcyMDAwY3d2Lmdvb2dsZWdyb3Vwcy5jb20uLi4NCj4gPg0KPiA+IG5vcm0ucmFwaGFlbEBt ZXRzby5jb20gd3JvdGU6DQo+ID4+IEknbSBoYXZpbmcgYSBkaWFsb2cgYWJvdXQgbWUgbWFpbnRl bmFuY2UgYWdyZWVtZW50Lg0KPiA+PiBDYW4gYW55b25lIHRlbGwgbWUgd2hhdCBVUEkgMDlTIGlz Pw0KPiA+PiBJcyB0aGVyZSBhbiBvbmxpbmUgREIgZm9yIFVQSSBjb2Rlcywgd2l0aCBsb25nIGRl c2NyaXB0aW9ucw0KPiA+PiBvciBiZXR0ZXIgeWV0IHRleHQgZGVzY3JpYmluZyB0aGVtPw0KPiA+ DQo+ID4gVVBJIDA5UzogICJPcGVuVk1TIFZBWCBPcGVyYXRpbmcgU3lzdGVtIERpc3RyaWJ1dGVk IEludGVyYWN0aXZlIFVzIg0KPiA+DQo+ID4gUUEtMDlTQUEtR1otIy4jICAtIEJBU0UgRE9DIEtJ VCBGT1IgVkVSU0lPTiAjLiMNCj4gPg0KPiA+ICJTb2Z0d2FyZSBMaWNlbnNlIg0KPiA+DQo+ID4g UUEtMDlTQUEtSDUgIC0gT1ZNUyBWQVggU1cgYW5kIEJhc2UgRG9jdW1lbnRhdGlvbiBUSzUwDQo+ ID4gUUEtMDlTQUItSE0gIC0gT1ZNUyBWQVggU1cgYW5kIEJhc2UgRG9jdW1lbnRhdGlvbiBNYWd0 YXBlDQo+ID4gUUEtMDlTQUEtSDggIC0gT1ZNUyBWQVggU1cgYW5kIEJhc2UgRG9jdW1lbnRhdGlv biBDRFJPTQ0KPiA+DQo+ID4gUUwtMDlTQTktQiogIC0gT1ZNUyB1c2VyIGxpY2Vuc2VzLCBWNi4w IGFuZCBsYXRlciAoVjYuMisgZm9yDQo+ID4gY29uY3VycmVudCwgQWxwaGEgdXNhYmxlIGluIGNs dXN0ZXIpDQo+ID4NCj4gPiAiU2VydmljZXMiDQo+ID4NCj4gPiBRVC0wOVNBQS1FNSAgLSBNRERT IFRLNTAgKHNhbWUgZGVzYy4gYXMgLUg1IGFib3ZlKQ0KPiA+IFFULTA5U0FCLUVNICAtIE1ERFMg TWFndGFwZSAoc2FtZSBkZXNjIGFzIC1ITSBhYm92ZSkNCj4gPiBRVC0wOVNBQS1FOCAgLSBNRERT IENEUk9NIChzYW1lIGRlc2MgYXMgLUg4IGFib3ZlKQ0KPiA+DQo+ID4NCj4gPiBUaGUgYmVzdCBz b3VyY2UgSSBrbm93IG9mIGlzIHRoZSBvbGQgcHJpY2UgYm9va3M7IHRoZSBhYm92ZSBhcmUgb3V0 IG9mDQo+ID4gdGhlIERlY2VtYmVyIDI5LCAxOTk4LCB0aGUgb25seSBvbmVzIHRoYXQgd2VyZW4n dCBwaXRjaGVkIHdoZW4gSSB3YXNuJ3QNCj4gPiB0aGVyZSB0byBwcm90ZWN0IHRoZW0uLi4NCj4g Pg0KPg0KPiBEZXRhaWxzIGFyZSBhbHNvIGxpc3RlZCBpbiB0aGUgY3VycmVudCBWQVggVk1TIFNQ RCBhdA0KPiBodHRwOi8vaDE4MDAwLnd3dzEuaHAuY29tL2luZm8vU1AyNTAxL1NQMjUwMVBGLlBE Rg0KPg0KVGhhbmsgeW91IGJvdGguICBUaGUgU1BEIHNheXM6DQoNClFM4oCTMDlTQSrigJMqKiBP cGVuVk1TIFZBWCBEaXN0cmlidXRlZCBJbnRlcmFjdGl2ZSBVc2VyIExpY2Vuc2UNCiAgICAgICAg ICAgIChObyBMb25nZXIgQXZhaWxhYmxlLi4ub3JkZXIgdGhlIENvbmN1cnJlbnQgVXNlIExpY2Vu c2UpDQpRTOKAkzA5U0Eq4oCTWSogT3BlblZNUyBWQVggRGlzdHJpYnV0ZWQgSW50ZXJhY3RpdmUg VXNlciBVcGRhdGUgTGljZW5zZQ0KUUzigJNNVDNBKuKAkzMqIE9wZW5WTVMgQ29uY3VycmVudCBV c2UgTGljZW5zZQ0KUUzigJNNVDNBKuKAkzUqIE9wZW5WTVMgQ29uY3VycmVudCBVc2UgVXBkYXRl IExpY2Vuc2UNCg0KV2hhdCBpcyBhICJDb25jdXJyZW50IFVzZSBMaWNlbnNlIiBhbnl3YXk/DQoN CldoYXQgSSBhbSBsb29raW5nIGZvciBpcyB0aGUgcHJvcGVyIHBhcnQgbnVtYmVyIGZvciBTb2Z0 d2FyZQ0KVGVsZXBob25lIHN1cHBvcnQgZm9yIE9wZW5WTVMgQWxwaGEgYW5kIENsdXN0ZXIvVm9s c2hhZC4NClRoZSBvbGQgbnVtYmVycyBhcmUgb24gdGhlIGFncmVlbWVudCwgYnV0IHdoZW5ldmVy IHdlIGRyb3Agc29tZQ0KY29tcG9uZW50ICh0aGUgY3VycmVudCB0cmVuZCksIENvbnRyYWN0IEFk bWluIHNlZW1zIHVuYWJsZSB0bw0KcmVsYXRlIHdoYXQgd2FzIHRoZXJlIHRvIHdoYXQgc2hvdWxk IG5vdyBiZSB0aGVyZS4NCg0KSSBhbSBzdGlsbCB3YWl0aW5nIGZvciBzYWxlcyB0byBmaW5kIHRo ZSByaWdodCBudW1iZXJzLi4uLg== ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2007 04:54:31 -0800 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: VMS in the HP hierarchy Message-ID: <1169643271.142506.15470@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Not sure what other responsibilities Scott Stallard and Ann Livermore have, but they may have too large a portfolio to have day-to-day responsibility and reporting from Ann McQuaid. I also don't know how these compare to, say, ink jet printers or HP-UX. They are likely to be in a similar situation. Steve On 24 Jan, 05:57, JF Mezei wrote: > From what I have been told: > > Sue -> McQuaid -> Fink -> Stallard -> Livermore -> Hurd > > Is this part of the problem for VMS ? Too many useless layers between the > real workers in VMS and the real decision maker at the top ? > > Shouldn' McQuaid report directly to Livermore ? > > Looks to me like folks such as Stallard feel they are "owed" > responsabilities and have lobbied over time to have groups report under him > in order to build a bigger kingdom. > > Would it hurt Livermore to have VMS, HP-UX, Storage, 8086 and IA64 server > groups report directly to her ? > > By spreading responsabilities between too many people, it means that there > is nobody with the information AND power to get things done. People with > information have no autonomy. People with power have no information. And > the people in between play games to protect their kingdom. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.048 ************************