INFO-VAX Fri, 09 Feb 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 79 Contents: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Re: cURL 7.16.0 released for VMS Re: DST changes and VMS 7.2 Re: DST changes and VMS 7.2 Re: DST changes and VMS 7.2 Re: Mark Daniel and/or Hein van den Huevel or anyone really Re: Mark Daniel and/or Hein van den Huevel or anyone really Re: Quorum disk removal Re: Searching FMS documentation in pdf Re: SPANNING BACKUP TAPES Re: SPANNING BACKUP TAPES Re: SPANNING BACKUP TAPES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Feb 2007 11:22:03 -0800 From: twnews@kittles.com Subject: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Message-ID: <1170962523.784400.198980@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I am curious if anyone here has been to one of the Alpha to Integrity porting workshops (the ones where you bring home an Integrity server to develop on). We are not a software company, but we have developed an elaborate and good (IMHO) software system for our business. It is a commercial quality product, it is just a home grown (RDB based) system. We are scheduling one of our developers to go to the next scheduled workshop. Someone at HP that is involved in this seems to think that we are not eligible because we are not currently marketing our software (from time to time we toy with the idea of productizing it and selling it). At the last HPTF I thought that I spoke with shops like ours that have attended one of these porting workshops. If you have attended one, what kind of work do you do (consultant, employee of software developer, developer for end user company,...)? Does anyone know more about the rules and intent of these workshops than I do? I had the contact for the HP guy who runs this, but of course now that I need it I have lost it. I am thinking that maybe I need to talk to Leo (can not think of last name, but I think I have the Leo right) that presents on VMS at the HPTF each year. He clearly indicated to me that this would be a good thing for my company. (At times like these I really regret that I am bad with names.) This work shop is an important part of our Alpha to Integrity upgrade strategy. It would be a big disappointment to not be allowed to go. Any help is appreciated. Thomas Wirt ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 2007 11:35:10 -0800 From: "DaveG" Subject: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Message-ID: <1170963310.153728.278290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Feb 8, 1:22 pm, twn...@kittles.com wrote: > I am curious if anyone here has been to one of the Alpha to Integrity > porting workshops (the ones where you bring home an Integrity server > to develop on). We are not a software company, but we have developed > an elaborate and good (IMHO) software system for our business. It is > a commercial quality product, it is just a home grown (RDB based) > system. We are scheduling one of our developers to go to the next > scheduled workshop. Someone at HP that is involved in this seems to > think that we are not eligible because we are not currently marketing > our software (from time to time we toy with the idea of productizing > it and selling it). At the last HPTF I thought that I spoke with > shops like ours that have attended one of these porting workshops. > > If you have attended one, what kind of work do you do (consultant, > employee of software developer, developer for end user company,...)? > Does anyone know more about the rules and intent of these workshops > than I do? I had the contact for the HP guy who runs this, but of > course now that I need it I have lost it. I am thinking that maybe I > need to talk to Leo (can not think of last name, but I think I have > the Leo right) that presents on VMS at the HPTF each year. He clearly > indicated to me that this would be a good thing for my company. (At > times like these I really regret that I am bad with names.) > > This work shop is an important part of our Alpha to Integrity upgrade > strategy. It would be a big disappointment to not be allowed to go. > Any help is appreciated. > > Thomas Wirt Leo Demers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:49:37 -0500 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Message-ID: <45CB3881.17973.48E0008@squayle.insight.rr.com> On 8 Feb 2007 at 11:22, twnews@kittles.com wrote: > I am curious if anyone here has been to one of the Alpha to Integrity > porting workshops (the ones where you bring home an Integrity server > to develop on). I was at one of the first ones. It was an incredible opportunity, both to get the "free" server but also to get help from VMS Engineering. > Someone at HP that is involved in this seems to think that we are not > eligible because we are not currently marketing our software All you have to do is be a member of DSPP. No one asked me if I was marketing any software. > If you have attended one, what kind of work do you do (consultant, > employee of software developer, developer for end user company,...)? I'm a consultant. I got a client to pay for it. Although I migrated his software to Integrity in 2 days, he's decided to stay with Alpha. Fortunately, that means I have an Integrity server of my own... > I had the contact for the HP guy who runs this That would be John Egolf (john-dot-egolf-at-hp.com). > This work shop is an important part of our Alpha to Integrity upgrade > strategy. That's what they're FOR! --Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:21:36 -0500 From: "Jeff Goodwin" Subject: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Message-ID: <45cb866b$0$27092$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote in message news:1170962523.784400.198980@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >I am curious if anyone here has been to one of the Alpha to Integrity > porting workshops (the ones where you bring home an Integrity server > to develop on). We are not a software company, but we have developed > an elaborate and good (IMHO) software system for our business. It is > a commercial quality product, it is just a home grown (RDB based) > system. We are scheduling one of our developers to go to the next > scheduled workshop. Someone at HP that is involved in this seems to > think that we are not eligible because we are not currently marketing > our software (from time to time we toy with the idea of productizing > it and selling it). At the last HPTF I thought that I spoke with > shops like ours that have attended one of these porting workshops. > > If you have attended one, what kind of work do you do (consultant, > employee of software developer, developer for end user company,...)? > Does anyone know more about the rules and intent of these workshops > than I do? I had the contact for the HP guy who runs this, but of > course now that I need it I have lost it. I am thinking that maybe I > need to talk to Leo (can not think of last name, but I think I have > the Leo right) that presents on VMS at the HPTF each year. He clearly > indicated to me that this would be a good thing for my company. (At > times like these I really regret that I am bad with names.) > > This work shop is an important part of our Alpha to Integrity upgrade > strategy. It would be a big disappointment to not be allowed to go. > Any help is appreciated. > > Thomas Wirt > We've sent a person to the porting class and it was just for our own company's applications. Our attendee found the class to be very useful. -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 2007 16:43:24 -0800 From: "Bob Gezelter" Subject: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Message-ID: <1170981804.062026.39360@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On Feb 8, 2:22 pm, twn...@kittles.com wrote: > I am curious if anyone here has been to one of the Alpha to Integrity > porting workshops (the ones where you bring home an Integrity server > to develop on). We are not a software company, but we have developed > an elaborate and good (IMHO) software system for our business. It is > a commercial quality product, it is just a home grown (RDB based) > system. We are scheduling one of our developers to go to the next > scheduled workshop. Someone at HP that is involved in this seems to > think that we are not eligible because we are not currently marketing > our software (from time to time we toy with the idea of productizing > it and selling it). At the last HPTF I thought that I spoke with > shops like ours that have attended one of these porting workshops. > > If you have attended one, what kind of work do you do (consultant, > employee of software developer, developer for end user company,...)? > Does anyone know more about the rules and intent of these workshops > than I do? I had the contact for the HP guy who runs this, but of > course now that I need it I have lost it. I am thinking that maybe I > need to talk to Leo (can not think of last name, but I think I have > the Leo right) that presents on VMS at the HPTF each year. He clearly > indicated to me that this would be a good thing for my company. (At > times like these I really regret that I am bad with names.) > > This work shop is an important part of our Alpha to Integrity upgrade > strategy. It would be a big disappointment to not be allowed to go. > Any help is appreciated. > > Thomas Wirt Thomas, I have attended two workshops, one as a student, and one as a volunteer instructor. They are, to the best of my knowledge, open to all users. The system that is "provided" as part of the class is a quite reasonable configuration. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:30:16 -0800 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: cURL 7.16.0 released for VMS Message-ID: <531tkqF1qh605U1@mid.individual.net> Marty Kuhrt wrote: > The latest version of cURL, 7.16.0, has been released for OpenVMS > and is available for download. > > The location is http://curl.haxx.se/download.html#VMS > > This is the binary and object library distribution of the cURL > 7.16.0 release. See the readme.vms file in the zip for usage > information. The zip files contain executables and objects built > with OpenSSL, hpSSL and without SSL support. The files are in > architecture specific zips. > > The OpenSSL and noSSL versions are self-contained in that you can > run these programs without any other software on the system. For > the hp SSL version, you will need to have hp's SSL V1.1-B product > installed. > > HW Type VMS Version Compiler Vers SSL Library Filenames > --------+-------------+---------------+----------------+----------- > Alpha | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | OpenSSL 0.9.7e | .*_openssl > Alpha | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | hpSSL 1.1-B | .*_hpssl > Alpha | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.5-001 | No SSL support | .*_nossl > IA64 | OpenVMS 8.3 | HP C V7.2-22 | OpenSSL 0.9.7d | .*_openssl > IA64 | OpenVMS 8.3 | HP C V7.2-22 | hp SSL 1.3 | .*_hpssl > IA64 | OpenVMS 8.3 | HP C V7.2-22 | No SSL support | .*_nossl > VAX | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.4-005 | OpenSSL 0.9.7e | .*_openssl > VAX | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.4-005 | hpSSL 1.1-B | .*_hpssl > VAX | OpenVMS 7.3 | DEC C 6.4-005 | No SSL support | .*_nossl [...] OpenVMS 8.3 on a PWS600au, with CSWB V1.7-13 and prerequisites installed, i.e., ======================================================================= NAPILI::Ken> prod sho prod ssl ------------------------------------ ----------- --------- PRODUCT KIT TYPE STATE ------------------------------------ ----------- --------- HP AXPVMS SSL V1.3-281 Full LP Installed ------------------------------------ ----------- --------- 1 item found NAPILI::Ken> ======================================================================= I downloaded the referenced kit, CURL-7_16_0-VMS-AXP.ZIP, and extracted curl.exe_hpssl. On attempting to run this image, I get: ======================================================================= NAPILI::Ken> curl == "$Fw_$Root:[Curl]Curl.Exe_hpssl" NAPILI::Ken> curl -help %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SSL$LIBSSL_SHR32 -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file NAPILI$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]SSL$LIBSSL_SHR32 .EXE -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image NAPILI::Ken> ======================================================================= The self-contained .EXE_OPENSSL image runs, but I would have expected this version to work as well. Is there a script or make file to relink the image? Thanks, Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield Who: Ken dot and dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:20:58 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: DST changes and VMS 7.2 Message-ID: In article <2gtfYYjWd+Gt@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , dhutchings > writes: > > > > > > What are others doing for VMS 7.2 and the upcoming DST changes? > > I think I'm goingto let Multinet handle it. The version of Multinet > I have on my 7.2 systems is supported and IP applications are the > only ones I have that care in any way about the time zone. > > The Multinet patches I've applied will keep the system clock in sync > with Congress. I didn't initially think it would bother most outside the US, but I read the ECO notes yesterday and was surprised to see some extra time zones added (Channel Islands), and sundry other changes outside the US. It's worth checking folks. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:11:19 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: DST changes and VMS 7.2 Message-ID: <45cbac26$0$7464$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> "Bob Koehler" wrote in message news:2gtfYYjWd+Gt@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article , dhutchings > writes: >> >> >> What are others doing for VMS 7.2 and the upcoming DST changes? > > I think I'm goingto let Multinet handle it. The version of Multinet > I have on my 7.2 systems is supported and IP applications are the > only ones I have that care in any way about the time zone. > > The Multinet patches I've applied will keep the system clock in sync > with Congress. > Changing the clock is only one part of the problem. If you have any programs written in C/C++ or Java that make "date-time" calls, you need to have correct timezone support in the OS. This includes open source software like Apache, Samba (CIFS), GNV, etc. Even though my implementation of OpenVMS-8.2 will handle the time change correctly, today I needed to install the two patches for use with TCPware 5.7-2 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 2007 23:26:59 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: DST changes and VMS 7.2 Message-ID: In article , dhutchings writes: > What are others doing for VMS 7.2 and the upcoming DST changes? Keeping VMS running on GMT, just as for the past 21 years. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:21:09 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Mark Daniel and/or Hein van den Huevel or anyone really Message-ID: Hi Arne, Hunter, Thanks for the info. The funny thing is I tried giving the Object Tag a FTP URL instead of HTTP and while the Appletviewer adapted beautifully, Internet Explorer started asking for the .CLASS files instead of the .JAR file :-( This led me to try dropping the , copying over each of the .class files, going back to http, and IE appears to be sated. I'll persist with the JAR file for hopefully more reasonable browsers and script the Object Tag. For thise who feel the copying of several class files is a much increased o/head when compared to copying a single arcvhive file let me point out that, at least with IE, the browser copied the .JAR file once per each class anyway :-( That's right; even though the class was in the archive that it had already copied IE came and asked for the JAR again when it found a new class. Once they were cached it was ok but initially that's what happens. (Anyone with IE and a Webserver that keeps stats on file transfers may wish to try it out) So with seperate class files at least the size of the xfer is less. (Although IE now appears to ask for the original applet class twice :-() Cheers Richard Maher PS. Whether IE will barf once more when a single .class file approaches 8K remains to be seen. PPS. Why would one use HGFTP as opposed to whatever comes with your TCP/IP? "Hunter Goatley" wrote in message news:E0vyh.93$p9.8@bignews7.bellsouth.net... > Arne Vajhøj wrote: > > Richard Maher wrote: > >> HG = Hunter Goatley? Freeware? Is it MACRO-32 or do I have to install the > >> virus that is C and then try and locate my PAK file somewhere? > > > > It comes with VMSINSTAL'able binaries. > > > > I think it is written in Bliss-32. > > > Arne is correct. Binaries are included for all three VMS platforms, > and the BLISS-32 source code is also included. > > -- > > Hunter > ------ > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ > PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux > goathunter@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:29:02 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Mark Daniel and/or Hein van den Huevel or anyone really Message-ID: <45cbce54$0$49198$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard Maher wrote: > PPS. Why would one use HGFTP as opposed to whatever comes with your TCP/IP? It is not an absolute must. But HGFTP got some nice features. On the server side I think anonymous FTP in HGFTP are way better than the UCX (or whatever it is called nowadays) one. And even on the client side it has a couple of extra nice things. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:47:25 -0600 From: John Subject: Re: Quorum disk removal Message-ID: <45CBE0BD.3060806@tx.rr.com> Hoff wrote: > > What if you want to change your quorum disk from one device to another > > device? > > Shut down the cluster (or the subset of nodes that are quorum > watchers; the cluster member nodes with direct access to the quorum > disk), reset the quorum disk system parameters (quorum_disk and maybe > qdisk_votes), reboot with enough votes to reach quorum (without the > quorum disk; either by booting enough nodes with enough votes, or by > very carefully resetting the votes and expected_votes values in an > environment that is not and cannot be partitioned), mount the (new) > quorum disk, and off you go. We are upgrading the storage from HSG80's to EMC storage. I have multiple servers with direct attach (HSG80) to the quorum disk (all servers are QW's) Since we are moving off of the old storage we need to move the quorum disk from the HSG80's to the EMC. So... what if I ...over the course of a week or two... (phase 1) install new storage 1) Install storage and create new (future) QUORUM disk (phase 2) remove the QUORUM disk watchers 2) Shutdown one server at a time (and at a convenient time) - the QUORUM disk watchers 3) Disassociate the QUORUM_DISK from that server 4) Boot back into the cluster 5) Continue with all remaining servers except one - need to have one QUORUM disk watcher (phase 3) change the QUORUM_DISK 6) Shutdown the QUORUM disk watcher 7) Change the QUORUM_DISK to a disk on the new storage 8) Boot the QUORUM disk watcher (phase 4) add/modify the non QUORUM disk watchers 9) Shutdown one server at a time (and at a convenient time) - the non-QUOURM disk watchers 10) Re-associate the new QUORUM_DISK to that server 11) Boot back into the cluster 12) Continue with all remaining servers What this does (in effect) is to limit the amount of production down-time for the cluster. Limits the potential of unexpected failure and isolates that failure to one server. We can easily move users from one server to another over the duration of a week. Will this work? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:17:13 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Searching FMS documentation in pdf Message-ID: In article <1170941826.538531.85590@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, vancouvercancun@yahoo.ca wrote: > Paul Sture wrote: > > > > http://h30266.www3.hp.com/odl/i64lp/progtool/fms_v25/fms_v25.h > > > > Ahem. The Language Reference, at least, is in image format, so you can't > > search for text. > > > I did notice that. Well, it is still better than fifty smaller files I > got from printing pdf from sysworks. Yes indeed. The html versions are good when you want to point someone at a particular section of the manual, but... > Thanks to all who replied. > Have a good VMS day ! Thanks. I'm currently seeing how far I get generating a few PDFs :-) -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 2007 12:11:47 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: SPANNING BACKUP TAPES Message-ID: <1170965507.368438.287070@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On Feb 8, 12:31 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <1170946079.566598.16...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" writes: > > > > > Have you tried BACKUP journal files? These take up less space than > > regular BACKUP listings. With BACKUP journal files you can run this: > > > $ BACKUP/LIST/JOURNAL=jounral-file/SELECT=missing-file > > I'm just curious. Would you findp utting the listing or journal on the > end of the last tape to be equivalent to the PKZIP aproach? You can > mount and access the last tape of a multi-volume set when you know > it's got what you want. Yes, except that the pkzip method is more automated. (Note, I was just pointing out the probably motivation for the pkzip method.) But in my situation I may not know which save sets the file is on, so I need the journal files on disk. Otherwise I'd have to mount the last tape of numerous save sets and my tapes are offsite! But this is just for my case. YMMV, as they say. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:37:33 +0800 From: Paul Repacholi Subject: Re: SPANNING BACKUP TAPES Message-ID: <8764acehbm.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com> John writes: > My questions... It has some subtle traps in all of this. > How much of an issue is this? From a tech point of view, if you are using BACKUP, it does not matter, or within epselon of not mattering. Others are not so fortunate. > Is not spanning tapes a good practice? See above, BUT... A policy of not spanning tapes is bad. If you newdisk/stripeset/whatever exceeds the capacity of the tape, you HAVE to span tapes. Or not backup the data. You don't want this to raise hell with the auditors. You DO want it to call for a NEW tape for the second vol, and not overwrite another saveset you care about! And you need to be SURE it will at least not destroy and existing data. This means you have to test multi volume backups as a matter of practice. > Should I care about this? Yes, lots. It is a wonderfull way to lose masive amounts of data if it screws up... > What are your thoughts? The only way to be sure it will work when you HAVE to do it, is to do it as a matter of course and to test that it works as you need it to. (BACKUP could be enhanced for this by a new switch to control how it handles the new volume of the saveset so you can specify forcing a NEW tape, ABORT the save, ASK the operator, or ANY) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:02:53 -0600 From: John Subject: Re: SPANNING BACKUP TAPES Message-ID: <45CBBA2D.6030101@tx.rr.com> I use it!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonderful item - just do not let the operators know how to INITIALIZE /OVERRIDE=EXPIRATION R.A.Omond wrote: > Wayne Sewell wrote: > >> >>> From: Paul Sture >> >> >>> Yes, if you have the resources. But I'd rather let a backup continue >>> to another tape than find the backup is incomplete. One nasty here >>> is that if BACKUP requires a continuation tape, and that tape isn't >>> available, it can happily overwrite the next tape physically >>> mounted, irrespective of its label. >>> >> It can't if you use TAPESYS, which validates all labels, including >> those on >> continuation tapes. > > > You don't need TAPESYS to guard against the inadvertant overwriting of > backup tapes. Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm the only one on > the planet who makes use of the very useful feature of Backup's > /Tape_Expiration qualifier. > > Heck, in my experience, most system managers are not even aware > of that qualifier. > > Roy Omond > Blue Bubble Ltd. > ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.079 ************************