INFO-VAX Wed, 02 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 240 Contents: Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha RE: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Re: compiler warnings on VMS (was Re: cvs client for OpenVMS 7.3-2) Re: Disk Partitions Re: Disk Partitions Re: Disk Partitions Re: Disk Partitions Re: Disk Partitions Free email account VMSUSER.COM RE: Has Linux Peaked ? Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: Making LIB$*_VM_PAGE Caller's-mode safe Re: Making LIB$*_VM_PAGE Caller's-mode safe Re: Making LIB$*_VM_PAGE Caller's-mode safe Re: Neocons destroying America Re: Neocons destroying America Re: Noahs ark found! Re: Noahs ark found! Re: Noahs ark found! Re: Noahs ark found! RE: numerical libraries on integrity RE: numerical libraries on integrity Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Kodak Nipping at HP's heels Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages SIMH default boot device (was Re: SIMH Ethernet problem) Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Re: SIMH Ethernet problem SSH Keys for a heterogeneous Environment Re: VMS on a Multia--disk images? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 02 May 2007 09:33:42 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha Message-ID: jrandrew@hotmail.com wrote in news:1177626898.793493.72190 @r35g2000prh.googlegroups.com: > I would like to implement web services and I know that Apache Axis > provides easy ways to do this. > > I've done some looking through the website that you sent regarding > WASD and I can't see analogous utilities for web services. Any > suggestions? > > I want to use web services (i.e. SOA-style) to pass calls through to > some compiled COBOL programs which will in turn access flat files on > the VMS system. I'm open to alternate ways to do this if there are > suggestions, but it would be nice to stay with using the COBOL to > actually access the datafiles (particularly for writes) because that > way a minimum of training and changes are required to staff to > implement the actual data changes. It's also less risky in terms of > possible corruption of data. Anything you can do with Apache, you can do with WASD. We've got WASD up and running on Deathrow and every registed user has webspace *AND* cgi capability. So, if you want to try interfacing a COBOL program to WASD we offer an environment to play in. Give me (user DC) a shout if we're missing the COBOL compiler, I think the node we lost due to a PSU issue was the one with it on it. The web page is at http://deathrow.vistech.net, or you can just telnet/ssh to the system and create an account with user NEWUSER, password NEWUSER. I'd also recommend digging around for the info-wasd mailing list. It is a fairly quiet list most of the time, but there are quite a few knowledgeable people there who could suggest ways to interface your existing code with WASD. Almost lastly, your sysadmins will like WASD, it sits and consumes very little resources when not busy. Admittedly only serving up static pages at the time, it kept going when Deathrow was listed on slashdot. The difference in our case was we got slashdotted on telnet at the same time, and that stayed responsive. And really lastly... Take heed of the advice from other people in this thread, if you can get upgraded to a more recent VMS version then do so. This isn't one of those unmentionable operating systems, VMS releases improve the performance instead of adding more performance dragging eye- candy. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:15:01 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@openvms-rocks.com] > Sent: May 2, 2007 5:34 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha >=20 > jrandrew@hotmail.com wrote in news:1177626898.793493.72190 > @r35g2000prh.googlegroups.com: >=20 > > I would like to implement web services and I know that Apache Axis > > provides easy ways to do this. > > > > I've done some looking through the website that you sent regarding > > WASD and I can't see analogous utilities for web services. Any > > suggestions? > > > > I want to use web services (i.e. SOA-style) to pass calls through to > > some compiled COBOL programs which will in turn access flat files on > > the VMS system. I'm open to alternate ways to do this if there are > > suggestions, but it would be nice to stay with using the COBOL to > > actually access the datafiles (particularly for writes) because that > > way a minimum of training and changes are required to staff to > > implement the actual data changes. It's also less risky in terms of > > possible corruption of data. >=20 > Anything you can do with Apache, you can do with WASD. We've got WASD > up > and running on Deathrow and every registed user has webspace *AND* cgi > capability. So, if you want to try interfacing a COBOL program to > WASD > we offer an environment to play in. Give me (user DC) a shout if > we're > missing the COBOL compiler, I think the node we lost due to a PSU > issue > was the one with it on it. >=20 [snip ..] Yep, that's a good point as many folks in this day and age just assume that new OS releases means you will likely have to add hardware (CPU, Memory etc) in order to accommodate the new version. Fwiw, I use OpenVMS V8.3 on all of my home lab systems. This includes one of my oldest home systems - a DEC 3000 that is approximately 15 years old. It's a great little box for testing things like the latest in Java, upgrade testing/planning, shadowing etc. I also use the latest and even beta versions of Multinet (V5.2), WASD (V9.2) as well as other ISV prod's on some of these older these lab servers as well. I suspect most other OS platforms would struggle using their latest OS release on 15 year old server/WS hardware. Re: web services- A few additional links of interest: NetBeans J2EE IDE: (free btw) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/overview.html http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/modules.html (plug-in modules for Fortran, Basic, C/C++, Pascal etc) Web Services Integration Toolkit (WSIT): (free) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/wsit/ UNIX Portability (Moving UNIX Applications to OpenVMS): (free) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/index.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:52:41 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: <00A67041.3BBD6106@SendSpamHere.ORG> I'm not a BASIC programmer. Can somebody take a look at this and tell me why calling LIB$RENAME_FILE returns %BAS-F-TOOFEWARG. The equivalent code in Macro works. === Begin: DESCRIP.MMS ================================== .IFDEF DEBUG MFLAGS = $(MFLAGS)/NOOPTIMIZE/DEBUG BASFLAGS = $(BASFLAGS)/NOOPTIMIZE/DEBUG LINKFLAGS = $(LINKFLAGS)/DEBUG .ENDIF RF.EXE : MAIN.OBJ,RF.OBJ LINK$(LINKFLAGS)/EXECUTABLE=$(MMS$TARGET) $(MMS$SOURCE_LIST) MAIN.OBJ : MAIN.MAR .IFDEF MAC RF.OBJ : RF.MAR .ELSE RF.OBJ : RF.BAS .ENDIF === End: DESCRIP.MMS ==================================== === Begin: MAIN.MAR ===================================== $DSCDEF $LIB$ROUTINESDEF .PSECT DATA,WRT,NOEXE,5 FROM: .ASCID "OLDFILE.TXT" .ALIGN LONG TO: .ASCID "NEWFILE.TXT" .ALIGN LONG RESULT: .LONG >!- >,0 .PSECT CODE,NOWRT,EXE,5 .ENTRY GO,0 PUSHAB RESULT PUSHAB TO PUSHAB FROM CALLS #3,RENAME_FILE $LIB_PUT_OUTPUT_S - MESSAGE_STRING=RESULT RET .END GO === End: MAIN.MAR ======================================= === Begin: RF.BAS ======================================= %TITLE 'DEMO' %IDENT 'V1.0' SUB RENAME_FILE(STRING FROM$,TO$,RESULT$) EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION LIB$RENAME_FILE EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION RENAME_ERROR DECLARE LONG S% S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(FROM$,TO$, , , , ,RENAME_ERROR, , , ,RESULT$, ) RESULT$=FROM$ UNLESS S% AND 1% END SUB FUNCTION LONG RENAME_ERROR(STRING OLD$,NEW$,LONG STS%,STV%,SOURCE%,USER%) RENAME_ERROR=STS% END FUNCTION === End: RF.BAS ========================================= === Begin: RF.MAR ======================================= $LIB$ROUTINESDEF ;++ .SBTTL Primitive program datum definitions ;-- ZERO = 0 ; |_ BYTE = 1@0 ; |_|_ WORD = 1@1 ; |___|___ LONG = 1@2 ; |_______|_______ QUAD = 1@3 ; |_______________|_______________ OCTA = 1@4 ; |_______________|_______________| PAGE = 1@9 ; VAX page ; Alpha & IA64 Pagelet BLOCK= 1@9 ; Standard disk block size $OFFSET 0,POSITIVE,<- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- > $OFFSET LONG,POSITIVE,<- ,- ,- ,- > .ENTRY RENAME_FILE,^M SUBL2 #LENGTH,SP MOVC5 #0,#0,#0,#LENGTH,(SP) MOVL #-1,ARGCNT(SP) MOVL FROM(AP),OLDNAM(SP) MOVL TO(AP),NEWNAM(SP) MOVL RESULT(AP),NEWRES(SP) CALLG (SP),LIB$RENAME_FILE RET $OFFSET LONG,POSITIVE,<- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- ,- > .ENTRY RENAME_ERROR,0 MOVL STS(AP),R0 RET .END === End: RF.MAR ========================================= -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:35:15 +0200 From: "Rudolf Wingert" Subject: Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <001001c78c94$ce90c0f0$994614ac@domina.fom> Hello, >> Oh please, don't you start as well. Suppose Noahs story is true, then = >> the whole world would have been covered in 27000 feet of water (Mount = >> Everest is appr. 27000 feet high). Can you please tell me where that=20 >> water came from, and where it went? Do you really think, that people can live on the Mount Everest? The = Floot must not become 27000 feet high to destroy all people and animals which = live on land. Look at the map, how many land will be left, if all ice will be water. There was a big flood in the history (they did find hundreds of animals, which would be death in one moment and they found also other hints). Best regards Rudolf Wingert ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 12:27:56 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <59reecF2leapnU2@mid.individual.net> In article <001001c78c94$ce90c0f0$994614ac@domina.fom>, "Rudolf Wingert" writes: > Hello, > >>> Oh please, don't you start as well. Suppose Noahs story is true, then = > >>> the whole world would have been covered in 27000 feet of water (Mount = > >>> Everest is appr. 27000 feet high). Can you please tell me where that=20 >>> water came from, and where it went? > > Do you really think, that people can live on the Mount Everest? The = > Floot > must not become 27000 feet high to destroy all people and animals which = > live > on land. Look at the map, how many land will be left, if all ice will be > water. Actually, if all the ice were to melt, it wouldn't even flood my house. And there are a lot of people who live higher than I do. It would wipe out NYC, but then, that would not be destroying the world, just the modern equivalent of Sodom and Gomorah. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:58:39 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: Tidal wave through northern turkey due to Erosion in Greek Island Nuf said - end of discussion DT "Bill Gunshannon" wrote in message news:59reecF2leapnU2@mid.individual.net... > In article <001001c78c94$ce90c0f0$994614ac@domina.fom>, > "Rudolf Wingert" writes: >> Hello, >> >>>> Oh please, don't you start as well. Suppose Noahs story is true, then = >> >>>> the whole world would have been covered in 27000 feet of water (Mount = >> >>>> Everest is appr. 27000 feet high). Can you please tell me where that=20 >>>> water came from, and where it went? >> >> Do you really think, that people can live on the Mount Everest? The = >> Floot >> must not become 27000 feet high to destroy all people and animals which = >> live >> on land. Look at the map, how many land will be left, if all ice will be >> water. > > Actually, if all the ice were to melt, it wouldn't even flood my house. > And there are a lot of people who live higher than I do. It would wipe > out NYC, but then, that would not be destroying the world, just the > modern equivalent of Sodom and Gomorah. :-) > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:09:55 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bob's brain missing. Was Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: In article <001001c78c94$ce90c0f0$994614ac@domina.fom>, "Rudolf Wingert" writes: >Hello, > >>> Oh please, don't you start as well. Suppose Noahs story is true, then = > >>> the whole world would have been covered in 27000 feet of water (Mount = > >>> Everest is appr. 27000 feet high). Can you please tell me where that=20 >>> water came from, and where it went? > >Do you really think, that people can live on the Mount Everest? The = >Floot >must not become 27000 feet high to destroy all people and animals which = >live >on land. Look at the map, how many land will be left, if all ice will be >water. If all the ice melted the sea level would rise about 220 feet. See http://science.howstuffworks.com/question473.htm and http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Could_Global_Warming_Melt_All_Ice_On_Earth_999.html and http://www.wisegeek.com/what-would-happen-if-the-polar-ice-caps-melted.htm From a brief glance at an Atlas I'd guess probably more than half of the worlds land area is more than 600 ft above current sea level. In North America the east coast up to the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, Florida peninsular, Mississipi basin and parts of Canada near Hudson Bay would be flooded if sea level rose by 600 ft but most of the rest would be above the new sea level. Unfortunately the Atlas I'm looking at doesn't show the contour at 220 feet for North America but pretty obviously even less would be flooded. If we assume that Noah was in the near east then again most of that is 600 feet or more above current sea level (on the Anatolian, Arabian and Iranian Plateaus). David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University > There was a big flood in the history (they did find hundreds of >animals, which would be death in one moment and they found also other >hints). > >Best regards Rudolf Wingert > ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 08:11:11 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: compiler warnings on VMS (was Re: cvs client for OpenVMS 7.3-2) Message-ID: <8HXDGVytOWI9@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , "Craig A. Berry" writes: > If you have a large, rapidly changing codebase that gets thrown up > against multiple compilers on multiple platforms every single day, and > the correctness of your code is determined primarily by an extensive > automated test suite, then a build process that falls down hard > whenever there is a compiler warning can actually hurt you rather than > help you. You won't know how you're doing with the test suite since > you won't even be able to build your package. It would be much better > to collect all the warnings, categorize them, and prioritize them with > input from test results, which you can't do if the build blows up on > the first warning. That is one way of looking at it. An alternative is that crashing the build is a way to ferret out those developers who are not sufficiently thorough in testing before checkin. Establishing an organizational standard of not breaking the build is the best way to go in some circumstances. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 03:41:53 -0700 From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: Disk Partitions Message-ID: <1178102513.846930.213670@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 1, 5:18 pm, "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCN" wrote: > Can disks be partitioned in OpenVMS like disks are partitioned in UNIX? > If so, do you take a performance hit? > > Mike > > Michael C. Cross > > 53 CSS/SCN > > 410 w Choctawhatchee Ave, Ste 215 > > Eglin AFB, FL 32542 > > (850) 883-7309 > > Fax: (850) 882-8656 Mike, As Colin has noted, the most important question is: "What effect are you attempting to achieve?" Are you: Implementing different backup schedules and intervals for different groups? Restrict the amount of disk space that different users (or groups) can use? Protect one group from another? (its early here on the East Coast; there are other possibilities) Each of these can be straightforwardly implemented under OpenVMS; but the appropriate technique is not always a partitioning scheme. As an example, where something along the lines of a mount point is desired, the closest implementation on OpenVMS involves the use of concealed logical names, and some file protections. For almost all purposes, a concealed logical name is the same as a separate file system. If more clarity can be provided on what is being attempted, then a more focused answer is possible. I will be happy to comment further. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 08:04:14 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Disk Partitions Message-ID: In article <138449ECC94125418289A81B26BA97B84A52B6@VFEGMLEG01.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil>, "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCN" writes: > > Can disks be partitioned in OpenVMS like disks are partitioned in UNIX? > If so, do you take a performance hit? No. Some third party disks were partitionable but looked like multiple disks to VMS. What do you expect to gain from partitions? To me on UNIX and DOS they were always just a PITA. But you do lose performance posting MIME and HTML to a text-only news group. Please turn it off. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:05:14 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: Disk Partitions Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: ... What do you expect to gain from partitions? > To me on UNIX and DOS they were always just a PITA. Ah - I guess you never found multi-boot environments useful, then. Of course, since VMS isn't all that compatible with anything else in either direction in terms of file system access that's perhaps less of an issue in this particular situation - but Unix and Windows/DOS cross-access file systems a lot more cheerfully, and UnixAUnixB or WIndowsX/WindowsY even more so, making booting multiple different systems off the same disk a lot more attractive. - bill ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 11:28:10 -0500 From: lederman@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: Disk Partitions Message-ID: In article , Bill Todd writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: > > ... > > What do you expect to gain from partitions? >> To me on UNIX and DOS they were always just a PITA. > > Ah - I guess you never found multi-boot environments useful, then. Of > course, since VMS isn't all that compatible with anything else in either > direction in terms of file system access that's perhaps less of an issue I certainly have found mult-boot environments useful, and at this moment have an Alpha that boots either OpenVMS or Linux. I've done a number of systems like this before, at least one of which booted OpenVMS, Linux (two flavors), and Tru64. However, you REALLY don't want to put them on the same disk drive. I can't think of any really good reason to put multiple Operating Systems on a single disk drive, and I can think of lots of good reasons not to. Because VAX, Alpha and IA64 systems all have much better ways of selecting the drive to boot from than PCs do, there is no reason to put multiple operating systems on the "C:" drive. -- B. Z. Lederman. My personal opinions. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 12:17:44 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Disk Partitions Message-ID: In article , Bill Todd writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: > > Ah - I guess you never found multi-boot environments useful, then. I use them all the time on VMS without needing partitions. I used them once on DOS so I could also boot Linux, but at that time I kept DOS around as just another PITA. And Alphas were actually marketed and sold as multi-OS boot by simply including an additional spindle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:25:27 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Free email account VMSUSER.COM Message-ID: <133h7qcepn0ar65@news.supernews.com> We own VMSUSER.COM If anyone would like a free webmail account (you would create a password once set up) you are welcome to it We have some good bandwidth so let me know -- David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404 T: 877-6364332 x201 Intl: 001 912 447 6622 E:dturner-at-islandco-dot-com F: 912 201 0402 W: http://www.islandco.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 21:04:43 +0200 From: Martin Krischik Subject: RE: Has Linux Peaked ? Message-ID: <1606039.SmqOkN0Wso@linux1.krischik.com> Main, Kerry wrote: >> Main, Kerry schrieb: >> >> > Key features are: >> > - Support for the Java, C/C++, XML, and HTML >> >> But no Ada :-( . >> >> Martin > > Not yet. > > However, if you have a business requirement for this vs. "neat to have", > then there are channels to request this be added. This sums it up neatly! Problem is: 80% of what a programmer whiches for, what could make his/her live easier is not a business requirement but only "neat to have". Employee productivity does not show up in the stock holders report - a order to hp to implement feature X does. Of course Solaris, AIX, UP/UX are not different to VMS in that respect. The standart vi which comes with Solaris is just horrible - worse then LSEdit. And standart grep from Solaris won't understand "--ingnore-case" (or the shorthand "-i"). I also had similar problems with find (what you use in unix instead of [...]*.*). Difference to VMS is: It took me a quarter of an hour to compile GNU-grep (and later GNU-find) on Solaris. No "business requirement" and the associated paperwork, explanations, statistic on expected increase in productivity, budget etc pp needed. And I still got what I need to work efficiently. With VMS I can get some stuff to help me (we got GNV installed, I created my own Vim) but it is not as easy. And here we come back to the OP: If you have a bunch of Linux developers, administrators etc pp it is probable easier to tell them to use AIX then VMS. On AIX they know they have a change to get there tools ported over - without "business requirement". > Case in point for other language plug-in's: > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/distnb.html Now that sound just like the stuff AdaCore [1] does with the GPS [2] - and here we do have a change to actually get it. Touch wood. Martin [1] http://www.adacore.com/home/ [2] http://www.adacore.com/category/developers-center/technologies/gps/ -- mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:59:22 +0200 From: "Rudolf Wingert" Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <000701c78c8f$cb9351b0$994614ac@domina.fom> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C78CA0.8F1C21B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, =20 Genius, I can't agree with you. What is the reason for the 1000 years. = 1000 years without the devil and his helpers. What is God's will? The = salvation of the whole mankind (see letter of Peter). What is the important = mission of Christians? To do what Jesus demands: to love one to another, to be ambassadors of God world and to love your enemies. To damn other is not = the right way to do so. You look like Jona (I don't know the English name of this man, the man in the whale). God did say, that Ninive would be destroyed. But the people of Ninive did change there mind and believed = God. So God did not destroyed Ninive and Jona was enraged about that. Could it be, that some part of the Revelation are written, that the Christians do there best, that the not yet believers see Gods love to = them and change there live. For you Genius, I appended a very interesting WEBpage. =20 Best regards Rudolf Wingert =20 Content of: http://www.weltmanager.de/worldmanager/index.htm =20 =20 Is God Manager of this world? =20 Is it appropriate to compare God with a manager? Every comparison can describe only some aspects - especially in the case of God. A lot of people think, that God is not in control any more; they suppose = He looks on this earth from a great distance and that He influences the = life of very few people only, who want to do be influenced. There is a belief = that God doesn't have any targets any more for this world or that He is not = able to reach them. This essay answers these questions through searching = basic management-principles in the acting of God. Besides this, it questions = if the classical opposites, which a lot of people think are described in = the Bible, are in fact there: =20 "Hell" - Paradise God - Satan Believers - Non Believers =20 =20 These simplifications have created a lot of hate and religious = fanaticism, even having caused many wars. In these pages it will be shown, that = there are no biblical basis for this dividing of the spiritual world, but that these concepts were taught in order to bind people to mass = organisations. Contrary to this, the Bible shows a different picture: =20 =20 =20 Believers - Not yet believers=20 God's plan to save all mankind God's usage of good and evil God's way finally to reveal Himself to each human =20 These sites are also showing how you can become happy and free through recognizing your beginning and purpose, seeing there is sense in your = life.=20 =20 "Everything can wait, but not the searching for God" (George Harrison, Ex-Beatle) ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C78CA0.8F1C21B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

Genius, I can't agree with you. What is the reason for the 1000 years. 1000 = years without the devil and his helpers. What is God's will? The salvation of = the whole mankind (see letter of Peter). What is the important mission of = Christians? To do what Jesus demands: to love one  to another, to be = ambassadors of God world and to love your enemies. To damn other is not the right way = to do so. You look like Jona (I don't know the English name of this man, the = man in the whale). God did say, that Ninive would be destroyed. But the people = of Ninive did change there mind and believed God. So God did not destroyed Ninive = and Jona was enraged about that.

Could it be, that some part of the Revelation are written, that the Christians = do there best, that the not yet believers see Gods love to them and change = there live. For you Genius, I appended a very interesting = WEBpage.

 

Best regards Rudolf Wingert

 

Content of: http://www.welt= manager.de/worldmanager/index.htm

 

 

Is God Manager of this world?

 

Is it appropriate to compare God with a manager? Every comparison can = describe only some aspects – especially in the case of = God.

A lot of people think, that God is not in control any more; they suppose = He looks on this earth from a great distance and that He influences the life of = very few people only, who want to do be influenced. There is a belief that God = doesn't have any targets any more for this world or that He is not able to reach = them. This essay answers these questions through searching basic management-principles in the acting of God. Besides this, it questions = if the classical opposites, which a lot of people think are described in the = Bible, are in fact there:

 

„Hell“ – Paradise

God – Satan

Believers – Non Believers

 

 

These simplifications have created a lot of hate and religious = fanaticism, even having caused many wars. In these pages it will be shown, that = there are no biblical basis for this dividing of the spiritual world, but that = these concepts were taught in order to bind people to mass = organisations.

Contrary to this, the Bible shows a different picture:

 

 

 

Believers – Not yet believers

God's plan to save all = mankind

God's usage of good and evil

God's way finally to reveal Himself to each human

 

These sites are also showing how you can become happy and free through = recognizing your beginning and purpose, seeing there is sense in your life. =

 

"Everything can wait, but not the searching for God" (George Harrison, = Ex-Beatle)

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C78CA0.8F1C21B0-- ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 03:30:37 -0700 From: Ian Miller Subject: Re: Making LIB$*_VM_PAGE Caller's-mode safe Message-ID: <1178101837.169107.71470@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> What you pass to GETQUI is a context number. This appears to be a randomly generated number which is held in the context block. When you pass the context number the list of context blocks is scanned to see if it matches. Each context block is fixed length so the memory management is very simple with the memory being allocated from P1 pool. I don't think a general purpose routine would help in the case of GETQUI, the management of the context blocks is very specific. However your original point of having a caller's mode safe way of allocating memory within a process seems like a sensible idea. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:49:16 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Making LIB$*_VM_PAGE Caller's-mode safe Message-ID: Hi Ian, > What you pass to GETQUI is a context number. This appears to be a > randomly generated number which is held in the context block. When you > pass the context number the list of context blocks is scanned to see > if it matches. Yep, an index into a local list/array of known bounds seems to be the way to go and is certainly a lot more robust than what $getuai is doing! (Analogous to being handed the Star of Africa when you leave the Tower of London as long as you promise to bring exactly the same one back again without forgery) > However your original point of having a caller's mode safe way of > allocating memory within a process seems like a sensible idea. I hope you *all* heard that! Ian Miller has much more gravitas than moi (although the title of greatest mass is probably up for grabs :-) Ignore him at your peril! Cheers Richard Maher PS. Thanks again for doing that Ian. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 05:32:57 -0700 From: Ian Miller Subject: Re: Making LIB$*_VM_PAGE Caller's-mode safe Message-ID: <1178109177.105406.27550@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> The GETQUI context value is not a index but a value held in the context block used to identify which one to use. I have not looked how GETQUI manages its context blocks. You need to present a case how making LIB$*_VM_PAGE caller's mode safe either saves HP money or provides some other benefit that the HP bean counters can see. ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 2007 09:10:30 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: Neocons destroying America Message-ID: Bill Todd wrote in news:WaCdnU7iwso9l6rbnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com: > Dr. Dweeb wrote: >> Bill Todd wrote: >>> Dan O'Reilly wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> >>>> I'll tell you a secret: these young kids believe in what they're >>>> doing. >>> As with most generalizations, that's flat-out wrong. I don't know >>> exactly what percentage believe in what they're doing (many reports >>> indicate that it's a rather low one, which would hardly be >>> surprising), but one need only visit sites like http://www.ivaw.org/ >>> and http://www.vaiw.org to see that at least a significant number >>> believe nothing exactly the opposite. It's probably safe to say >>> that a majority think that there's no real reason they should be >>> where they are, even if they're willing to suck it up and do their >>> jobs. >>> >>>> And I'll tell you another secret: what's going on in Iraq isn't >>>> what is being reported by the likes of PBS and Bill Moyers - or >>>> NBC, CBS or ABC, for that matter. >>> Indeed, all our media sanitize the situation and fail to raise >>> anything like the criticism that it merits. Foreign media are a >>> much more reliable source. >>> >> >> Bill, >> >> I really wish you would stop claiming the superiority/objectivity of >> foreign media. > > Don't be such a moron, Dweeb: I made no such *general* assertion, > merely one with respect to Iraq war coverage. > > And beyond any shadow of a doubt, the rest of the world's media does a > *far* better job of such coverage than ours does. > > If some of that media gets a bit 'shrill' about Dubya's criminal > behavior, it just might be because nothing has yet even started to be > done to curb (let alone punish) it. Given that it affects people far > beyond our own borders, you can expect some of them to be fairly > concerned about this. > > When the U.N. Secretary General states flatly that the invasion of > Iraq was illegal under international law, and *still* nothing is done > about that, when (as David just observed) the former chief prosecutor > at Nuremberg concurs and flatly adds that it constitutes a war crime, > when (as he also just helpfully pointed out) Germany has begun legal > proceedings against top U.S. officials on that basis (and this was > hardly the first such instance: years ago there was some serious > question about whether Bush could pay a state visit to Canada without > being held there for prosecution), holding your eyes firmly shut and > chanting "obnoxious hippie crap", while perhaps amusing to the rest of > us, isn't really very useful. If I recall correctly there was a little diplomatic spat between the U.S. and Belgium due to outstanding arrest warrants for Mr Rumsfeld and Mr Bush. That means a Belgian court believed there was sufficient evidence to merit the issuing of warrants; those who brought the case were obviously politically motivated but the court was not. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 07:56:51 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Neocons destroying America Message-ID: <2jbVVaY$WuuQ@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , JF Mezei writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> "I vas chust following orders" didn't work at Nuremburg and it certainly >> won't work now. > > It worked for the american grunts who were charged with torture at Abu > Graib and the US government/army refused to follow the trail up the > chain to find out who had condoned those actions, who had held onto the > video tapes and had done nothing of it. No, it didn't work for those grunts. Several of them are in prison for what they did. The failure to follow the trail shows that the US Military learned nothing from Lt.Calley at My Lai except how to cover its tracks. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 12:24:16 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <59re7fF2leapnU1@mid.individual.net> In article , David Mathog writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> Alfred Falk writes: > >>>> It's just a rocky outcrop that looks a bit like logs - nothing more or >>>> less. >>> Never! God wouldn't try to fool us would he? >>> >> >> Actually, no He wouldn't as that would be a very un-Godlike action. > > Which chapter of the "Standards of Godly Behavior" are you citing? OK, granted. I guess it depends on yur definition of "God". But I wold hold that most reasonable people who believe in God believe He is the epitome of good. That pretty much precludes traits like dis- honesty and lying. But then, if you believe in the ancient Greek concept of gods who are capricious and use men merely as playtoys like we used toy soldiers as a child, well then....... > >> Which is, as I have told many people including a number of my Theology >> Professors that there really is no conflict between religion and science >> except where both parties choose to create it. > > I don't accept that statement but I've heard it often enough. It seems > to be a mainstay in parts of current Catholicism, Not just current Catholicism, but always. Look at some of the great scientists like Gregor Mendel or more obscure one's like Fr. Jozef Murgas. Or visit http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/jmac/sjscient.htm for a whole bunch of Jesuit Scientists throughout history. > one often cited in > respect to Galileo. For instance: > > "It was a conflict that ought never to have occurred, because > faith and science, properly understood, can never be at odds." > > Quoted from here: > > http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Issues/GalileoAffair.html Which is true, because Galileo's crime was not what he taught, but purely a crime of disobedience to lawful authority. > > However, the Church not withstanding, it seems abundantly clear that > something closer to the opposite of that statement is true. Religion > (at least the major western ones) and science are intrinsically in > conflict because the former is based on faith in the revealed truth > contained in certain holy texts and the latter on an understanding of > the physical world based on experimentally verifiable observation. But you, like so many others, seem to think these two are mutually exclusive. they are, in fact, not. The conflict only exists when someone tries to apply meaning to "holy texts" that is not really there. And this is often done by both sides. For example, there is nothing in an accurate understanding of the Bible to discount the Big Bang or the existence of dinosaurs or million year old fossils. > If > the scientific method is applied to religion the Null Hypothesis may be > formulated something like "if there are no Gods, then all the holy texts > must have been written by men without benefit of divine guidance." Very That ,might be true, but science must then prove the first tenet of this hytpothesis, ie. "there are no Gods" and they have yet to prove that, nor ar they likely to ever prove it as it is pretty much un- provable, scientifically. > hard to reconcile something like that with Faith. If Faith, and > especially literal interpretation of holy texts, Ah, but there is another of the major flaws. It is only since man became "enlightened" that the individual interpretation of "holy texts" has benn common (or even allowed, at least in the Catholic sense!) Interpretation of holy texts is something that takes more than a cursory reading. Let me use as an example the recent comments here about "Thou shalt not kill". It was pointed out that the actual commandment did not use the word "kill" but actually uses the word "murder", the two being hardly synonomous. Someone here said, "Well, the King James Bible says 'kill" and it is the most accurate translation. Hardly, as it was translated from the Latin Vulgate and some of the Greek texts, both of which, according to most modern Jewish scholars, mis- translated the original Hebrew. (As an interesting aside, you might look up "The Ten Commandments" on Wikipaedia which uses "murder" rather than "kill". ) It is, of course, this prohibition against personal interpretation that led to the canard about Catholics never reading the Bible. > is applied to the > physical world we end up with absurd statements concerning seashells on > mountain tops. As I pointed out earlier, there is nothing in the "holy texts" to discount this or the scientific explanation of how it occured. Only the improper interpretation of these texts by people not qualified (academically) to do it. > Also, all too frequently, people being murdered for > their "incorrect" beliefs. I am sure you mean the Inquisition here and that is really just another canard. There were less people killed by the Inquisition over time than are murdered in NYC every year. And being Catholic/Christian/Religious does not preclude being corrupt. The most famous killings of the Inquisition were provably abuses of power by certain ruling bodies who's purpose was not religious purity but strictly personal gain (usually in the form of acquiring land.) > > The chasm between the two world views is enormous, as is plenty apparent > in this very thread. If this is not intrinsic conflict, I don't know > what is. What you see here is not a conflict between religion and science it is a conflict between ignorance and reality, which has also always been and always will be with us. The ravings of those with no real knowledge of Theology and with an agenda hardly meet the criteria of being the current true understanding of what religion is all about. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:58:49 +0100 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: "Bill Gunshannon" wrote in message news:59re7fF2leapnU1@mid.individual.net... > It was pointed out that the actual commandment did not use the word > "kill" but actually uses the word "murder", the two being hardly synonomous. > Someone here said, "Well, the King James Bible says 'kill" and it is the most > accurate translation. Nobody here actually claimed the King James as the more accurate version. Richard Gilbert and I merely noted that the 'actual' wording depends on what translation you consider to be the most authentic. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 13:52:44 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <59rjdcF2lbqjrU1@mid.individual.net> In article , "Richard Brodie" writes: > > "Bill Gunshannon" wrote in message > news:59re7fF2leapnU1@mid.individual.net... > >> It was pointed out that the actual commandment did not use the word >> "kill" but actually uses the word "murder", the two being hardly synonomous. >> Someone here said, "Well, the King James Bible says 'kill" and it is the most >> accurate translation. > > Nobody here actually claimed the King James as the more accurate version. > Richard Gilbert and I merely noted that the 'actual' wording depends on what > translation you consider to be the most authentic. I guess I mis-interpreted this statement: In article <462D59ED.7000508@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > Some people believe that the King James Version is the ONLY English > translation that may be regarded as "the inerrant Word of God". > Somebody must think so. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 09:37:44 -0700 From: Andrew Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <1178123864.254195.137600@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On 30 Apr, 13:02, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: > the same researcher who helped bring about the discovery > of Mount Sinai now believes he has found Noahs ark on a > mountain in Iran ... scroll to the bottom and look at the > pictures and video ... > > http://www.arkfever.com/ Rubbish, they found a sedimentary rock formation that looks a bit like wood (hint the layering in many sedimentary rock deposits looks like wood.) The whole rock formation looks a bit like a boat but thats hardly unusual there are lots of rock formations that look like boats, sheep birds, peoples genitalia etc. Yes they did find wood but that was part of a shrine, it was carbon dated to be 500 years old. Kevin Pickering, a geologist at University College London who specializes in sedimentary rocks, doesn't think that the ark-like rocks are petrified wood. "The photos appear to show iron-stained sedimentary rocks, probably thin beds of silicified sandstones and shales, which were most likely laid down in a marine environment a long time ago," he said. Pickering thinks that the BASE team may have mistaken the thin layers in the sediment for wood grain and the more prominent layers as beams of wood. "The wider layers in the rock are what we call bedding planes," he said. "They show fracture patterns that we associate with ... the Earth processes that caused the rocks to be uplifted to their present height." Finding shales containing marine shells at height is not uncommon and are caused by this uplift process, this is still happening if we wait long enough then Chile will have the highest mountain range in the world not the Himalayas because their mountain ranges are still getting higher. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:14:03 +1000 From: "O'Brien Paddy" Subject: RE: numerical libraries on integrity Message-ID: <0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC33938CD@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local> =20 > Do you know what I can get from EXT_MATH_LIB and=20 > EXT_MATH_LIB_RT products available on IA64 (and Alpha) under=20 > the educational or hobbyist lisence?=20 I have no idea as to what these are. The latter does not appear on Google, and the former appears in four messages all of which are in C code relating to tomcrypt, but no idea of what it means. Obviously, neither appear on the HP OpenVMS site. > Also have you got any comments on Compaq Portable Mathematics=20 > Library (don't know if it is available on IA64)? =20 CPML appears on your Alpha system in SYS$LIBRARY as DPML$SHR.EXE, it is effectively part of the system. Called from DEC$FORRTL.EXE and supports all the mathematical intrinsics used in Fortran and C. It also includes some extra intrinsics which are not included as Fortran intrinsics, but are included in math.h, e.g., ERF and some of the Bessel functions. The manual is available as a .PDF file: go to OpenVMS systems and do a search on CXML. It may well still be on IA64 as DPML rather than CPML, and I am sure that it should be as the Fortran or C compilers will not work correctly (probably, other languages). Neither BLAS nor LAPACK routines are included. > thanks a lot > anton >=20 Regards, Paddy *********************************************************************** Please consider the environment before printing this email. "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20 addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of=20 this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise the sender. You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=20 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited. If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 immediately. Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20 authority states them to be the views of TransGrid. 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Message-ID: <1178091565.507008.16510@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 2, 3:42 am, "Doug Kimball" wrote: > So, what are your top three favorite movies, VMSophiles? We need a promo for > the upcoming HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua, and we would love your input. > Thanks! > > Doug You have to include "The Dish" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205873/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 06:59:36 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: Doug Kimball wrote: > So, what are your top three favorite movies, VMSophiles? We need a promo for > the upcoming HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua, and we would love your input. > Thanks! I don't rank my preferences quite that formally, though quite a few of my favorites have already been mentioned here. One that's missing is Sneakers (perhaps better than Hackers for addressing a somewhat more mature audience - though I really enjoyed Hackers as well). If you'd like to work in something of an anti-DRM nature (say, as a knock in general at all lock-in practices, most of which tend to exclude VMS for all save its current users), Sneakers is your flick. - bill ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 05:21:29 -0700 From: Ian Miller Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <1178108489.843316.21690@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Bladerunner - although how that could be used in a VMS promo I don't know. It's good to see some promotional activity from HP :-) ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 06:06:18 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <1178111178.087330.113690@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 2, 7:21 am, Ian Miller wrote: > Bladerunner - although how that could be used in a VMS promo I don't > know. Windows is just a replicant of OpenVMS... > > It's good to see some promotional activity from HP :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 09:24:19 -0400 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: Doug Kimball wrote: > So, what are your top three favorite movies, VMSophiles? We need a promo for > the upcoming HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua, and we would love your input. > Thanks! > > Doug > Toy story Monster Inc. Night At The Museum In an promo showing the ability to host different operating environments concurrently (aka galaxy). The cartoon character environments representing different instances performing different functions on the same machine. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 06:30:22 -0700 From: Dave Gullen Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <1178112622.235289.93820@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> I don't really have a top three, just a slowly changing pool of long- term favourites and recent passions. Films I've recently enjoyed greatly are:: The Departed Pan's Labyrinth Brotherhood of the Wolf Downfall. Top three all time I'm not sure, but Chinatown is one of them. I don't think Downfall would be good for a VMS promo, but writing this I realise there are several foreign language films, so how about a promo where you use subtitles, perhaps like in Annie Hall? Dave ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 13:54:36 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <59rjgsF2lbqjrU2@mid.individual.net> In article <1178111178.087330.113690@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes: > On May 2, 7:21 am, Ian Miller wrote: >> Bladerunner - although how that could be used in a VMS promo I don't >> know. > > Windows is just a replicant of OpenVMS... Well, they could always have Decker being sent out to terminate Blue Men. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 09:59:21 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: sol gongola wrote: ... > In an promo showing the ability to host different > operating environments concurrently (aka galaxy). Ah - Galaxy Quest! - bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:49:09 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <8660a3a10705020649j6ebc1cddjb5a743904d3ba28a@mail.gmail.com> On 2 May 2007 06:30:22 -0700, Dave Gullen wrote: > I don't really have a top three, just a slowly changing pool of long- > term favourites and recent passions. Films I've recently enjoyed > greatly are:: > > The Departed > Pan's Labyrinth > Brotherhood of the Wolf > Downfall. > > Top three all time I'm not sure, but Chinatown is one of them. > > I don't think Downfall would be good for a VMS promo, but writing this > I realise there are several foreign language films, so how about a > promo where you use subtitles, perhaps like in Annie Hall? > > Dave > > Interesting point. On a flight from Hong Kong to San Francisco, I watched "Sweet Home Alabama" twice- first with the original English, the second time, dubbed in Mandarin. It was actually more interesting the second time around. WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:25:40 -0400 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <5a1_h.2229$Xw4.129@newsfe12.lga> Bill Todd wrote: > sol gongola wrote: > > ... > >> In an promo showing the ability to host different >> operating environments concurrently (aka galaxy). > > Ah - Galaxy Quest! > > - bill Running the gauntlet of the inner workings of the machine to stop the self destruct could be used as analogy to windows. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 07:47:25 -0700 From: DaveG Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <1178117245.788068.118830@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> I seem to recall Egon playing around with a DEC Rainbow in the first Ghostbusters movie. Galaxy Quest - yep! Blade Runner - ditto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 06:47:01 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: OT: Kodak Nipping at HP's heels Message-ID: Sue wrote: ... encouraging folks to bail > on HP is not really going to help any of those in VMS anywhere is it. That was phrased as a question, so I'll take it as such. And the answer to it is simply 'Yes, it is': giving folks *here* (most of whom qualify as 'those in VMS') notice that HP's primary cash cow may be in for a rough ride will help *them* in their decisions, far out of proportion to any effect that a decision on their part to, say, sell HP stock could possibly have on other VMS users (we're not talking about anything like a major run on the stock, I suspect, if only those here in c.o.v. may be involved. Dissing HP's stock prospects to the world at large would likely not have any beneficial effect on 'those in VMS' (though it might still qualify as a general public service), but that's not what you were responding to. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:42:05 -0400 From: Subject: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Message-ID: <63A4454BFCE1C048B2683DBB63A3633301823DEC@ETP-CIN-US-EX01.etp1.com> Is anyone else getting as annoyed, as I am, with the drastic increase of = off-topic (read: non-VMS) related discussions over the past months? Noah's Ark Favorite Movies Bob's missing brain Faked Moon landings Come on folks; put the chat somewhere else as it doesn't belong here... Just my two cents... Barry Treahy, Jr =20 Vice President/CIO Midwest Microwave, Inc. Emerson Network Power Connectivity Solutions E-mail: Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com Phone:=A0 480/314-1320 Cell: 480/216-9568 Fax: 480/661-7028 ... but it's a DRY HEAT! This e-mail is intended only for the addressee named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to retain, read, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. =0D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:53:31 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Subject: SIMH default boot device (was Re: SIMH Ethernet problem) Message-ID: One more question, please: I'm trying to set up SIMH so it automatically boots VMS when it's launched. I know about using "dep bdr 0" to not stop at the console prompt, but it never remembers the default boot device. If I do SET BOOT DUA0 and then BOOT, it works as expected, but the next time I run SIMH, it no longer knows to boot from DUA0:. How do you tell the VAX console what the default boot device is so that it remembers it? Thanks! -- Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux goathunter@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 08:08:18 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Message-ID: In article , Hunter Goatley writes: > > Eth: opened \Device\NPF_GenericDialupAdapter > Eth: Error Transmitting packet: No error > You may need to run as root, or install a libpcap version > which is at least 0.9 from www.tcpdump.org > Do you really want your "ethernet" to be dialup? I think you might want to choose some other device. "eth0" is probably your built-in modem, try "attach xq eth1". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:03:13 +0200 From: "Andreas Härtel" Subject: Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Message-ID: Hi, when you are using XP then should be the entry ---- attach xq \Device\NPF_{4F76DDE7-BBC1-4CBE-8C65-1CE00931CFFA} ---- It shares the the physical device in your XP environment with simh. The rigth device you'll find out p.e. with tcpdump for Windows. Andreas "Hunter Goatley" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:AnOZh.37412$254.10705@bignews7.bellsouth.net... > I've downloaded the SimH V3.70 with Ethernet support from > Trailing Edge, and I installed WinPCAP V4. When I launch > SIMH and do the "attach xq eth0", this is what I get: > > Eth: opened \Device\NPF_GenericDialupAdapter > Eth: Error Transmitting packet: No error > You may need to run as root, or install a libpcap version > which is at least 0.9 from www.tcpdump.org > > I verified with XQ SHOW ETH that eth0 is the NPF driver > (which you can see above, too). Any ideas? (And no, > after booting VMS, it doesn't work, so the "no error" > error appears to be real. > > Thanks! > > -- > > Hunter > ------ > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ > PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux > goathunter@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:26:55 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , Hunter Goatley writes: >> Eth: opened \Device\NPF_GenericDialupAdapter >> Eth: Error Transmitting packet: No error >> You may need to run as root, or install a libpcap version >> which is at least 0.9 from www.tcpdump.org >> > > Do you really want your "ethernet" to be dialup? I think > you might want to choose some other device. "eth0" is probably > your built-in modem, try "attach xq eth1". > I wondered if that was the modem or not. I mean, it says it is, but the only examples I could find all showed that too, so I wasn't sure if that's really what it was or if it was just named wrong. Using eth1, which I did try yesterday, didn't give any error, but DECnet and MultiNet didn't work once it was booted. However, I tried it again today, and now it's working. Strange. Thanks for the replies! -- Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux goathunter@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:50:58 -0500 From: Hunter Goatley Subject: Re: SIMH Ethernet problem Message-ID: Andreas Härtel wrote: > Hi, > > when you are using XP then should be the entry > ---- > attach xq \Device\NPF_{4F76DDE7-BBC1-4CBE-8C65-1CE00931CFFA} > ---- > It shares the the physical device in your XP environment with simh. > The rigth device you'll find out p.e. with tcpdump for Windows. > Thanks, Andreas. Using "eth1" was the equivalent of specifying the long name for my device. -- Hunter ------ Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux goathunter@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:41:06 +0200 From: Martin Krischik Subject: SSH Keys for a heterogeneous Environment Message-ID: <4638a303$1@news.post.ch> Hello, If you are from the vms group you probably saw my other post but I start again fresh. I need some ssh keys which work in a heterogeneous environment. Now I have a set which works everywhere - except the private keys won't work with VMS. But since we use cascaded logins and secure copy from here to there and everywhere it is not enough to propagate the just the public keys. Now I tried a lot but I am kind of stuck so few questions to get me going again: 1) Is there a Windows/Linux based tool which can check the format of a key? There seem to be at least four key formats (X.509, SSH2, OpenSSH, RFC 4716). 2) Which brings me to: Is there a list/description of the available key formats. 3) And now the ultimate question: Is there a tool which can convert keys? Thanks to c.o.vms I now know that ssh-keygen is supposed to be able to do this. But hey, look at this: ------------------------------------------- >ssh-keygen -i -f vms_dsa unsupported cipher 3des-cbc decode blob failed. ------------------------------------------- It seems that ssh-keygen is a bit limited in it's abilities. Martin ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2007 01:52:44 -0700 From: vaxinf@chemie.uni-konstanz.de Subject: Re: VMS on a Multia--disk images? Message-ID: <1178095964.121872.47580@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On 28 Apr., 08:17, John wrote: > I've got a Multia sitting here, not being used, and I'd like to run > VMS on it. I can find a SCSI disk that'll work (it came without > drives), but I think that's about the limit of hardware I'm going to > come up with. I thought the best, simplest thing to do would be to > find somebody who had a hard disk image for a Multia that I could > simply copy over to my hard drive. I realize that this image could > only come from somebody who has just a basic VMS installation, without > potentially sensitive information, so it's kind of a far out request, > but do any of you have this kind of thing around? > > I'd try installing "the hard way", except that I can't seem to find > the correct firmware version (I need 3.8-2, right?), I don't have a CD- > ROM drive... etc. I'm going to have to hack up the one additional > power cable anyway or attach another power supply outside the box just > so I can run my hard drive. If you know a better way, please let me > know. > > Thanks > > John John, I have a bootable OpenVMS V7.3 CD for Multia (just tested). Please send a mail if you're interested. regards Eberhard Eberhard ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.240 ************************