INFO-VAX Sat, 19 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 273 Contents: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: For Sue - HP Proliant Server Problems Re: Is this OT or is there a connection with VMS? Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Des Still want: LK461 keyboard Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Re: VMS 8.2 VMSINSTAL Bug with RUN_IMAGE Persists? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:53:16 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: "ChrisQuayle" wrote in message news:Z5l3i.148$m%1.103@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net... > FredK wrote: > > > Your comments above sound like a meaning for meaning repeat of what Kerry > said earlier, so it's probably safe to assume that this is the official HP > mantra and modus operandi (ie: convince customers to ditch Solaris in > favour of Linux), but they could hardly endorse anything from Sun anyway, > so we have to take anything they say in this respect with a big pinch of > salt. > Nope. I haven't been to any training on propaganda. > Is it there yet ?... > Thing is, Linux one day will "be there". Solaris... never seems to me to have gotten there, or ever will now. It is usually one step above a windows platform in reliability, and takes longer to reboot when it crashes (and takes an expert to fix the crash itself). ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 13:56:29 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: In article <5b5oaqF2r9ncfU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> I have more faith in Linux. > > Why? It's got to be one of the worst versions of Unix to ever be > foisted on the public. All UNIX are in the eye of the beholder. I know lots of folks who swear by Solaris from back in its BSD days, but since it went away from BSD the only one I know that's worse in my eye is HP-UX. For me Linux is the third best of all the UNIX I've had to allow to annoy me and the other two were DEC products that no longer are produced. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 13:57:26 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <00wOPv+HrZUB@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , ChrisQuayle writes: > > Sorry, but faith isn't the issue. I don't want to futz around with the > os, I just want to set it up with the minimum of unnecessary hassle, > then use it to develop, serve and run applications. Exactly why I don't like Solaris. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 13:59:10 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: In article <1179499122.866668.222840@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Andrew writes: > > Odd, we have seen a number of large early Linux adopters quietly > reversing out of their Linux strategy in favor of Solaris on x86 and > increasingly Solaris on Sun x86 hardware. > And if they were moving off Solaris, would you be seeing them? I think more likely they'd be seen by the vendor they're moving too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:26:37 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <50b48$464dfe0f$cef8887a$17158@TEKSAVVY.COM> ChrisQuayle wrote: > Why would anyone in their right mind want to run Linux for mission > critical stuff when Solaris is now free, industrial strength, has > decades of professional development effort and runs on Sparc or X86 ?. Because Linux is the current popular and trendy "soupe du jour" and CIOs decide that their company needs to adopt whatever current/trendy technology the trade rags talk about. And this is supported by the geeks they hire who love Linux because the only other thing they ever tasted in their life was Windows (and it is easy to see why a former windows geek would love Linux is that is the only other OS has has played with). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:53:23 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:50b48$464dfe0f$cef8887a$17158@TEKSAVVY.COM... > ChrisQuayle wrote: >> Why would anyone in their right mind want to run Linux for mission >> critical stuff when Solaris is now free, industrial strength, has decades >> of professional development effort and runs on Sparc or X86 ?. > > > Because Linux is the current popular and trendy "soupe du jour" As was Solaris in its day. I remember how it was being sold as the "Open" solution to all problems. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 20:21:40 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: "FredK" wrote in news:f2l07k$ijt$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com: > > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:50b48$464dfe0f$cef8887a$17158@TEKSAVVY.COM... >> ChrisQuayle wrote: >>> Why would anyone in their right mind want to run Linux for mission >>> critical stuff when Solaris is now free, industrial strength, has >>> decades of professional development effort and runs on Sparc or X86 >>> ?. >> >> >> Because Linux is the current popular and trendy "soupe du jour" > > As was Solaris in its day. I remember how it was being sold as the > "Open" solution to all problems. We got SunOS boxen at university... We pwnd them - much to the staff's disgust. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:47:24 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <464E10DC.1050901@comcast.net> genius@marblecliff.com wrote: > On May 18, 10:38 am, Andrew wrote: > >>Solaris really does have some unique capabilities when compared with >>Linux and thats what seems to be driving the change, that plus clever >>marketing by Sun. >> >>Regards >>Andrew Harrison- Hide quoted text - >> >>- Show quoted text - > > > what is clever about giving away something for free? > What is clever about charging $1500 US for a VMS license for an Alphastation 200? Sure, you get $1500 IF somebody buys the workstation for big bucks. People tend to look at the cost of the machine plus licenses and compare with the cost of a competing product. How much does it cost for the Fortran Compiler license? How much for the development tools? How much for the performanace advisor (data collector and analyzer)? The software used to cost more than the hardware at least when DEC was still DEC. Sun says the software is free, the O/S, the compilers, and the development tools. If you want to develop software for the Sun platform, it costs you the salary of the programmers and the price of the machines they use. You want hardware support? It's available for a price. Do you want software support? It, too, is available for a price. Maybe you use the software you develop in house or maybe you sell it, or both. However you choose to proceed, you are are developing software that runs on Sun's platform. You run it on Sun hardware and probably pay Sun for supoprt. If it's any good you can probably sell it. If you sell it, people buy Sun hardware to run it on, and probably pay Sun for both hardware and software support. Crazy like a fox! A case can be made that DEC priced itself right out of the market! DEC had good stuff but Sun, and others, proved that fast and cheap beats good every time. Solaris is not VMS by any means but it doesn't cost what VMS does and it gets the job done! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:19:50 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:464E10DC.1050901@comcast.net... > genius@marblecliff.com wrote: >> On May 18, 10:38 am, Andrew wrote: >> > > Sun says the software is free, the O/S, the compilers, and the development > tools. If you want to develop software for the Sun platform, it costs you > the salary of the programmers and the price of the machines they use. You > want hardware support? It's available for a price. Do you want software > support? It, too, is available for a price. > Crazy like a fox! > And yet Sun is still in financial limbo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:43:08 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <87273$464e1e0e$cef8887a$774@TEKSAVVY.COM> FredK wrote: > And yet Sun is still in financial limbo. What is Digital's health like these days ? Oh, it's dead... What is Compaq's health these days ? Oh, it's dead. Dead like the parrot. Sun is still alive and kicking. Is Sun bleeding senior engineers like VMS is ? (and Mr FredK, please stay with VMS !) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:03:38 GMT From: ChrisQuayle Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <_op3i.548$jr6.396@newsfe7-win.ntli.net> FredK wrote: > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message > news:464E10DC.1050901@comcast.net... > >>genius@marblecliff.com wrote: >> >>>On May 18, 10:38 am, Andrew wrote: >>> > > >>Sun says the software is free, the O/S, the compilers, and the development >>tools. If you want to develop software for the Sun platform, it costs you >>the salary of the programmers and the price of the machines they use. You >>want hardware support? It's available for a price. Do you want software >>support? It, too, is available for a price. > > >>Crazy like a fox! >> > > > And yet Sun is still in financial limbo. > > > Not the first time you have mentioned this. Is profit the only motive, or would it be ok to work for a company struggling a bit, but seemingly with some good ideas and creative / offbeat culture ?. Which would be more of a challenge and fun to work for ?... Chris -- ---------------------- Greenfield Designs Ltd Electronic and Embedded System Design Oxford, England (44) 1865 750 681 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:36:53 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: FredK wrote: ... >> Solaris really does have some unique capabilities when compared with >> Linux and thats what seems to be driving the change, that plus clever >> marketing by Sun. >> > > Really? Really. Unlike DECHPaq, whose last significant file system effort took place over a decade ago with the introduction of AdvFS (RIP, Tru64) and whose VMS file system offering has become positively antiquated, Solaris has very recently introduced the most important new file system in the entire industry since NetApp's WAFL (introduced at about the same time AdvFS was). Solaris has efficient and effective software partitioning in the form of 'zones'. Solaris appears to offer a significantly broader and deeper range of development facilities than Linux does, though I haven't investigated them in detail (yet). And Solaris has a considerably better reputation for scaling and stability than Linux has. Just for starters, from someone not very familiar with the terrain. I'm sure Andrew can flesh it out some more. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:04:55 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <464E3F27.9070308@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > FredK wrote: > >> And yet Sun is still in financial limbo. > > > What is Digital's health like these days ? Oh, it's dead... > > What is Compaq's health these days ? Oh, it's dead. Dead like the parrot. > > Sun is still alive and kicking. > > > Is Sun bleeding senior engineers like VMS is ? > > (and Mr FredK, please stay with VMS !) And where would HP be without the ink and toner market? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:26:52 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <986cb$464e446c$cef8887a$22840@TEKSAVVY.COM> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > And where would HP be without the ink and toner market? They'd have to focus on rebuilding their former enterprise business, drop the marketing commitments for that unwanted IA64 thing and move their enterprise software to a secure and growing platform that would not be questioned every second week by the media because its doom is so obvious. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:33:15 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: For Sue - HP Proliant Server Problems Message-ID: <464E61EB.7E3A487@spam.comcast.net> "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > > Now for the humorous part. The HP tech, Roy, showed up yesterday, plugged > everything together (the last, really strange looking cable was the correct > one) and powered up the server. One of the new drives literally smoked. Y'all don't be smokin' that stuff, now, y'hear? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:41:30 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Is this OT or is there a connection with VMS? Message-ID: <464E63DA.66C491FB@spam.comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > Does anyone here know anything about "Digital Standard Mumps" and VA VISTA? > The last version of DSM I was familiar with (only vaguely) was DSM-11. Did > it eventually move to the VAX? Did it make it to the Alpha? Or is the VA > really still running PDP-11's? As others have pointed out, (DS)M became a layered product (or would SIP be more appropriate?). InterSystems's MUMPS processor, M, has become what InterSystems now calls "Cache'" Post-Relational Database. It still groks MUMPS code, but the documented "native" syntax is very BASIC-like in appearance. InterSystems has ported Cache' to OpenVMS-I64; however, most of the healthcare ISVs who use it have elected not to go there, MiSys (formerly Sunquest) being among the more noteworthy along side IDX. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:49:27 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: <464E65B7.12FF8ACF@spam.comcast.net> Encountered this job posting from one of my VMS job agents... http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?Job_DID=J8F4GF6PJ8W36FW94PT&siteid=cb_emailjob_US (Sorry - the URL may wrap.) Here's the relevant text, edited a bit to "sanitize": Senior Systems Analyst The Real-time Holdings (GDS) team has an open position for a dynamic individual who is interested in joining our team. The candidate will support the Trust Bank Reporting (TBR) application, as well as learning other applications supported by the GDS team, to include the GDS application, PCA, Oscar, and Fidelity Sweep. The candidate will support TBR... Components of TBR have been developed on the DEC VAX and the IBM mainframe. The VAX platform will be sunset in the future, requiring the remaining components and processes for TBR to be re-engineered on the mainframe platform. To achieve the goal of porting the remaining components of the application to a new platform, the role of the candidate will require strong analysis and programming skills and full understanding of the components on the current platform, to be able to contribute to the development on the new platform. Additional responsibilities include production support on the current and new system platforms. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:09:22 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote: > DEC VAX and the IBM mainframe. The VAX platform will be sunset in the future, Gartner saw the cancer in its early stages. And that cancer slowly grew. Now we are at the point where organs are shutting down one by one. Initially, it was easy for VMS loyalists to be in denial and pretend that Gartner was wrong and that VMS wasn't dying. Since the demise of Alpha and forced migration to an even more unpopular platform, Gartner hasn't even bothered to continue to comment on the lack of future for VMS. VMS still has some stock exchanges due to the swedish stock exchange software arm still somewhat loyal to VMS. Me thinks Sue should be commuting every week to Sweden to ensure they are happy staying with VMS. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 16:08:46 -0700 From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Message-ID: <1179529726.487926.268500@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaruherald/4064691a6571.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:38:15 +0200 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Message-ID: <464dff8f$0$21930$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> Richard Maher wrote: > wrote in message > news:00A67C49.6379D1F3@SendSpamHere.ORG... >> In article <464cd67c$0$21933$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. >> Dweeb" writes: >>> >>> >>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>> In article <134o6nes6urng0b@corp.supernews.com>, Phaeton >>>> writes: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Number 10: >>>>> "Exercise" has come to mean rolling your neck and focusing your >>>>> eyes on >>>>> distant objects. >>>>> >>>>> Number 9: >>>>> Strange discolourations have appeared where your arms rest on your >>>>> chair and desk. >>>>> >>>>> Number 8: >>>>> Friends no longer bother calling your mobile, they skype you. >>>>> >>>>> Number 7: >>>>> You have RSI in BOTH arms. >>>> >>>> I didn't know what RSI meant so I googled it. Google/wiki came up >>>> with >>>> Repetitive strain injury. Sadly, the description of RSI seems to >>>> fit a >>>> pain I have had for the past year in my neck and shoulder. I guess >>>> it's >>>> time to see YAD (yet another doctor). >>> >>> Yes, Princess Diana died of it in fact. >> >> Huh? She died from a car crash. >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > C'mon Brian, it was worth a chuckle (You were in pretty could form > yourself the other day) I suspect Brian has not grasped it. Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:35:40 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Des Message-ID: <464E627C.C6A5B053@spam.comcast.net> "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > [snip] > I suspect Brian has not grasped it. We're trying to train him to not do that to himself... ;-) -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 16:01:33 -0700 From: Rambo Subject: Still want: LK461 keyboard Message-ID: <1179529293.500797.120430@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> I can't believe that no one has a spare one. And I'm in very need! I haven't expand my AS600 to full 1 GB for nothing you know! :-D Rambo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:23:40 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Message-ID: <7211$464e43ad$cef8887a$22840@TEKSAVVY.COM> Rambo wrote: > I can't believe that no one has a spare one. And I'm in very need! > I haven't expand my AS600 to full 1 GB for nothing you know! :-D At teh montreal decus meeting this past february, the suggestion was to call the "field service" folks who maintain DEC legacy equipment and they should be able to get you the part number and how to order it from HP. HP sales don't know about those keyboards. The other alternative is to use Mr Google for the part number (there are a number of resellers who have some old keyboards in their wharehouse) or use EBAY. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 23:22:57 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:7211$464e43ad$cef8887a$22840@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Rambo wrote: >> I can't believe that no one has a spare one. And I'm in very need! >> I haven't expand my AS600 to full 1 GB for nothing you know! :-D > > At teh montreal decus meeting this past february, the suggestion was to > call the "field service" folks who maintain DEC legacy equipment and they > should be able to get you the part number and how to order it from HP. HP > sales don't know about those keyboards. > > The other alternative is to use Mr Google for the part number (there are a > number of resellers who have some old keyboards in their wharehouse) or > use EBAY. Buy an LK463. It is also the AB552A (which comes with a thumbwheel mouse). Both USB - but they both take a simple USB-PS2 converter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:06:27 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Message-ID: <8660a3a10705181806x170c61b3r7ea7346a9b81583e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/07, JF Mezei wrote: > Rambo wrote: > > I can't believe that no one has a spare one. And I'm in very need! > > I haven't expand my AS600 to full 1 GB for nothing you know! :-D > > At teh montreal decus meeting this past february, the suggestion was to > call the "field service" folks who maintain DEC legacy equipment and > they should be able to get you the part number and how to order it from > HP. HP sales don't know about those keyboards. > > The other alternative is to use Mr Google for the part number (there are > a number of resellers who have some old keyboards in their wharehouse) > or use EBAY. > jf, the part number is (gasp) LK461-xx where xx denotes the language variant or possibly some other specialization such as a WPS keyboard. WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:47:42 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Message-ID: William Webb wrote: > jf, the part number is (gasp) LK461-xx where xx denotes the language > variant or possibly some other specialization such as a WPS keyboard. When you call many of the HP 800 sales numbers, nobody knows about an LK461-xx part number. When I got my DS10L last year, I spent many hours trying to order one from HP. Ended up getting one from ebay because at least EBAY's search engine was able to find the part numbers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:18:02 -0700 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." Subject: Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Message-ID: wrote in message news:00A67CA9.6B1B60E2@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article , "John Gemignani, > Jr." writes: >> >> >> >> wrote in message >>news:00A67BE3.65BC8D18@SendSpamHere.ORG... >>> In article , "John Gemignani, >>> Jr." writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> wrote in message >>>>news:00A67B09.4FAB7135@SendSpamHere.ORG... >>>>> In article , "John >>>>> Gemignani, >>>>> Jr." writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote in message >>>>>>news:00A67A7C.E34FD775@SendSpamHere.ORG... >>>>>>> In article <00A67A68.F7818E9B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- >>>>>>> @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>>>>>>>{...snip...} >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A little more info... the socket name structures are documented on >>>>>>> section >>>>>>> 5.5 of >>>>>>> the HP TCPIP Services "Sockets API and System Services Programming"; >>>>>>> particularly >>>>>>> in figures 5.8, 5.9 and 5.10. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When using the IO$_SENSEMODE, is there anyway to enforce one format >>>>>>> over >>>>>>> another? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker >>>>>>> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >>>>>> >>>>>>I coded up the QIO interface when TCPIP added support for IPv6. This >>>>>>required the BSD 4.4 interface which included the new length field. To >>>>>>use >>>>>>the BSD 4.4 interface (SIN44$), you need to set a special bit in the >>>>>>QIO >>>>>>modifiers. I think it was something like the IO$M_EXTEND bit. >>>>>>Otherwise >>>>>>a >>>>>>BSD 4.3 block (SIN$) is returned. >>>>> >>>>> I have just IO$_ACPCONTROL and I am getting back a SIN6$ structure >>>>> without >>>>> the use of the IO$M_EXTEND modifier bit. >>>> >>>> So then, you're NOT using IO$_SENSEMODE as you stated in your >>>> original >>>>question. >>>> If you're using IO$_ACPCONTROL, are you asking the ACP to perform >>>> name >>>>translation? >>>> From what I recall, that was an undocumented interface (but I could >>>> be >>>>wrong). >>> >>> Sorry, it is IO$_SENSEMODE... not IO$_ACPCONTROL. I just posted a >>> simple >>> bit of code. >> >> >> What did you specify for a length in the descriptor? Did you give it >> the >>full potential size of the result? > > Yes. > > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" How was this socket created? Was it created with address family AF_INET6? ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 13:27:11 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Message-ID: <1179520031.459704.108020@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 18, 11:45 am, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" wrote: > On May 18, 12:16 pm, Doug Phillips wrote: > > > > > On May 17, 4:53 pm, Keith Parris wrote: > > > > Doug Phillips wrote: > > > > I recently bought a Canon MP830 and I'm very impressed with it after > > > > using HP for years. It has individual photo/color cartridges (Black, > > > > Yellow, Magenta, Cyan) > > > > HP also sells some printer models with individual cartridges for each > > > color of ink. > > > Didn't say they didn't, but so what if they do? I was talking about > > the Canon MP830. I liked the fact that the Canon has a 2nd larger > > black cartridge. The HP's I saw use a single black cartridge for both > > photo and text. I didn't make comparisons between the two other than > > that Canon lacked a NIC, but please do tell us about your comparably > > priced HP Multi-Function. > > I recently bought a printer for my wife and I looked hard at the Canon > MP830 and the MP960 but ended up with an HP C6180. I really didn't > want to go with the HP because we had a multitude of driver problems > on her Win2K system with an HP 2110 AIO. I also had reservations > about the Canon products since we had a bad experience with a MP130 > (Constant paper jams and cock-eyed printing). I did a lot of looking > in the help forums various places and nobody was reporting any > problems with the drivers for these (We print from Mac OS X and > Windows). The MP960, while nice, was a bit pricey at the time ($499 > most places) and the MP830 just didn't feel as easy to use. So we got > the C6180 at MicroCenter for $259 (plus tax). So far no complaints. > We have printed about 300 pages on it without problems and haven't had > the driver issues like before. We've done a little scanning and > copying also. > > My wife prints to it from her Win2k PC and the kids print from their > Mac Mini. I have the HP LJ4050 and not much need for color so I > haven't tried printing with my Mac Pro or even from VMS (via LPR and a > Mac, I suppose). > > The HP c6180 is a 6-color photo printer with fax/scanner/copier > functions. Each color has its own cartridge and the black is around > twice as big as the other colors. Retail for each color cartridge is > $9.95 and the black is $14.95. You can get discounts at Sam's Club > and other places. > > John H. Reinhardt Good review. I remember looking at that printer and that *was* the HP that most tempted me. I guess a feeling that I was stuck in a loyalty rut in spite of not-so-great experiences with HP biased my choice in the end. For the all-in-one, I really considered going Laser (since most of my work doesn't need color) and getting a less expensive stand-alone for color and photo (which I don't do in great volume). There are quite a few Lasers all-n-1's that will scan color even though they only print b/w. (Color lasers cost more than I wanted to spend.) Decided on the ink jet because of its lower power usage (25w scan/copy, 4w standby) and cost/page. Anyway, I'm happy with the MP830, it is *very* easy to use and it installed so easily and quickly that I thought I'd done something wrong (didn't). There are so darn many choices today that buying anything can be real pain. After studying on-line and in-stores every all-n-1 in my price- range, narrowing it down to 3 or 4, I finally just went to OfficeMax ('cause I had a $-off coupon), walked straight to the MP830 and bought it. In and out in 5 minutes. Home, unpacked the box, glanced at the installation guide, installed in minutes, went out to the deck, smoked a cigar and read the manual. End of that particular stress, on to the next;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 07:21:33 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 VMSINSTAL Bug with RUN_IMAGE Persists? Message-ID: Hi, I know you're all dying to know how this turned out. Apparently the first mail (and quite a few other one's from more important people :-) didn't get through, and the last one was late. In any event here is the feed-back: - > I don't have a support contract, though I did make sure it got > through to VMS Engineering. > on an unofficial basis. So clearly I am not the only one to experience the full brunt of that delightful VMS engineering arrogance that I speek so much of. And there was I feeling special :-( "Don't have a support contact? Those stinking pigs! Get me a knife; I'm going to cut VMS's nose off right now! There are procedures and protocols and pecking orders to preserve here and we'd much rather let VMS sink than fix a hole that hasn't been reported in the proper fashion. Lock that degenerate, impertinent, filth down there with Leonardo Di Caprio - Their unpleasantness is upsetting our view of those lovely ice bergs. I mean, how much water is it letting in anyway.". Cheers Richard Maher "Richard Maher" wrote in message news:f1rgbn$qpq$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au... > Hi again, > > > Have you requested one? I searched for the snippet you quote from one of > > "COVs kind souls" and can't find it. So I assume that was from an e-mail. > > Did he report it? > > Well I e-mailed him again to ask, and either he's ignoring me, I'm in his > kill-file, or my mail's just not getting through. Either way, I found a > previous reply confirming that the report did in fact get to VMS > Engineering. (See below) > > Cheers Richard Maher > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 5:25 AM > Subject: VMSINSTAL problem now forwarded to OVMS Engineering > > > Just to keep ya up to date, my report has been accepted and forwarded > > to the relevant OVMS Engineering folks. > > -- > > ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.273 ************************