INFO-VAX Tue, 22 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 280 Contents: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? DEC VAX APL 4.0 Manuals Re: Does NASA/JPL etc still use VMS? Re: Does NASA/JPL etc still use VMS? Re: Does NASA/JPL etc still use VMS? 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For Now, Anyway [OT] BJAODN Re: Free HP laptop wtih $10000 or higher purchase ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:51:14 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: Main, Kerry schrieb: > > Yeah, but how long would Toyota and Ford be in business if they gave away cars for free and only sold $1000/year support licenses? > > :-) oh no, not another broken car example. A car company just sells cars, so they hardly can give them away for free. An IT company sells hardware, OS (maybe), middleware, apps, services. So they may give away one of those for free to increase sales of the other parts. > > And to address a reply from someone else, if you sell a car very cheap for with the idea of selling lots of future parts, then you are also toast as companies like Toyota are selling quality and that is one of the big reasons why they are doing so well over companies like GM. > > Bottom line, software is a business. If you do not make a good profit on it, then you go out of business and your Customers are on their own. No, IT as whole is a business, OS's are just a part of it. And in these days of "free"/low cost OS's such as the BSDs, Linux and now Solaris it is becoming a commodity if not an add-on. I think you have no business in bashing Sun for that. It's a brilliant move on their part, and as far as I can see, Sun and their platform are in a much better shape than VMS. > > Unfortunately, as most security analysts will tell you, approx 50-60% of all security incidents are internal related. which means that it isn't the OS which has problems but rather the company culture. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:44:37 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: In article , Michael Kraemer writes: >Main, Kerry schrieb: > >> >> Yeah, but how long would Toyota and Ford be in business if they gave away cars for free and only sold $1000/year support licenses? >> >> :-) > >oh no, not another broken car example. >A car company just sells cars, so they hardly can give them away for free. >An IT company sells hardware, OS (maybe), middleware, apps, services. >So they may give away one of those for free to increase sales of the >other parts. > >> >> And to address a reply from someone else, if you sell a car very cheap for with the idea of selling lots of future parts, then you are also toast as companies like Toyota are selling quality and that is one of the big reasons why they are doing so well over companies like GM. >> >> Bottom line, software is a business. If you do not make a good profit on it, then you go out of business and your Customers are on their own. > >No, IT as whole is a business, OS's are just a part of it. >And in these days of "free"/low cost OS's such as the BSDs, Linux and >now Solaris it is becoming a commodity if not an add-on. >I think you have no business in bashing Sun for that. >It's a brilliant move on their part, and as far as I can see, >Sun and their platform are in a much better shape than VMS. > Maybe I missed something but I don't think anyone was bashing Sun. Sun is a veteran computer company with as you say many strings to it's bow in terms of selling hardware, middleware, apps and services. The companies which appear to have a rather fragile business model are the independent Linux Distributors such as Red Hat. Now if Sun were to move to just selling x86 based systems (on which there is very keen price competition) and gives away all it's software (Os, Apps and middleware) for free in order to compete with Linux (including providing all the source so as to appear to be open in comparison with Linux) and were then to just rely on support (at a comparable price to that for Linux support) for their income then they would be making their business model almost as fragile. Even then they would probably not be as fragile since the x86 based systems would provide some income, there would undoubtedly be other opportunities in other hardware areas - storage etc and for quite sometime they would probably be able to rely on a perception of them being the best place to get Solaris support. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >> >> Unfortunately, as most security analysts will tell you, approx 50-60% of all security incidents are internal related. > >which means that it isn't the OS which has problems but rather the >company culture. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:16:04 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2007 03:44:37 -0700, wrote: > In article , Michael Kraemer > writes: >> Main, Kerry schrieb: >> >>> >>> Yeah, but how long would Toyota and Ford be in business if they gave >>> away cars for free and only sold $1000/year support licenses? >>> >>> :-) >> >> oh no, not another broken car example. >> A car company just sells cars, so they hardly can give them away for >> free. >> An IT company sells hardware, OS (maybe), middleware, apps, services. >> So they may give away one of those for free to increase sales of the >> other parts. >> >>> >>> And to address a reply from someone else, if you sell a car very cheap >>> for with the idea of selling lots of future parts, then you are also >>> toast as companies like Toyota are selling quality and that is one of >>> the big reasons why they are doing so well over companies like GM. >>> >>> Bottom line, software is a business. If you do not make a good profit >>> on it, then you go out of business and your Customers are on their own. >> >> No, IT as whole is a business, OS's are just a part of it. >> And in these days of "free"/low cost OS's such as the BSDs, Linux and >> now Solaris it is becoming a commodity if not an add-on. >> I think you have no business in bashing Sun for that. >> It's a brilliant move on their part, and as far as I can see, >> Sun and their platform are in a much better shape than VMS. >> > Maybe I missed something but I don't think anyone was bashing Sun. Sun > is a > veteran computer company with as you say many strings to it's bow in > terms of > selling hardware, middleware, apps and services. > The companies which appear to have a rather fragile business model are > the > independent Linux Distributors such as Red Hat. > > Now if Sun were to move to just selling x86 based systems (on which > there is > very keen price competition) and gives away all it's software (Os, Apps > and > middleware) for free in order to compete with Linux (including providing > all > the source so as to appear to be open in comparison with Linux) and were > then > to just rely on support (at a comparable price to that for Linux > support) for > their income then they would be making their business model almost as > fragile. > Even then they would probably not be as fragile since the x86 based > systems > would provide some income, there would undoubtedly be other > opportunities in > other hardware areas - storage etc and for quite sometime they would > probably > be able to rely on a perception of them being the best place to get > Solaris > support. > As usual this discussion seems to focus on HW, OS, price/performance, not intended as insult, but you guys are are in the forest and missing the landscape. It is competitively priced functionality that sells. The corollary to this is that if your functionality is unique, then you set the price, which is what IBM essentially does, at least for z/os and i5/os (note the offering at http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/i/os/ ) So what is the unique functionality od VMS? Once you have answered that question, you have a marketing plan. I was looking yesterday at the Itanium 8.3 kit and was reminded how out of touch OpenVMS mangement is with the market. Looking at the software supplied with the kit, the layered products, it contains almost nothing, certainly has no value for existing VMS sites. Has management ever looked at their customer base to see what it is they need? I am sure that base is just clamouring to use the C++ compiler. The continued existence of a VAX installed base should be a clue. The poor reception of Itanium should be another. > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > > >>> >>> Unfortunately, as most security analysts will tell you, approx 50-60% >>> of all security incidents are internal related. >> >> which means that it isn't the OS which has problems but rather the >> company culture. >> -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 08:31:56 -0700 From: Andrew Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <1179847916.555477.223420@z24g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On 20 May, 15:43, Chip Coldwell wrote: > On Fri, 18 May 2007, ChrisQuayle wrote: > > > Why would anyone in their right mind want to run Linux for mission critical > > stuff when Solaris is now free, industrial strength, has decades of > > professional development effort and runs on Sparc or X86 ? > > Because they are pessimistic about the long-term prospects for Sun as a > company. Linux has the property that it is owned by nobody, so there is > nobody to go broke and strand the customer. For example, you can now buy > support for the Red Hat Enterprise Linux distro from either Red Hat or > Oracle. If one of those two goes broke, switch to the other one. > Ahh but this is Linux's great strength while at the same time being its greatest weakness as well. >From a hobbyist perspective the bazaar approach to developing an OS platform is very attractive, it bodes well for longevity and the rapid inclusion of new features. That is if you do not care too much about compatibility and stability. >From an enterprise perspective the bazaar approach causes huge problems of ownership. The code maintainers and developers who will be responsible for fixing XYZ issue almost certainly do not work for Oracle or RedHat instead they may work in academia etc, so while RedHat or Oracle may be able to manage your support problem ultimately they may be powerless to effect a change that resolves your problem. Buying AIX/HP-UX/Solaris/Windows or VMS gives any enterprise customer a degree of certainty that their problem will be rectified and in a way that does not break random other bits of their OS, this certainty simply isn't there in the Linux world. Ironically if the latest EU study is correct then the company most likely to fix your Linux problem is Sun as they apparently maintain 25% of all the code that goes into any Linux distribution. Unfortunately most of this code is not in the Linux kernel. Regards Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 07:58:53 -0700 From: urbancamo Subject: DEC VAX APL 4.0 Manuals Message-ID: <1179845933.099193.208120@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com> I posted this request about 6 months ago on comp.lang.apl, and nearly hit gold but not quite. Does anyone have a set of manuals for DEC/VAX APL lurking in their archives/collection they could let me have? As far as I can ascertain DIGITAL never produced an electronic version - however, I would be very happy to be corrected. Thanks for the help, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:22:30 GMT From: Vance Haemmerle Subject: Re: Does NASA/JPL etc still use VMS? Message-ID: <4652C4A3.1080302@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <1179699683.511398.99630@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" writes: > >>Refering to the banking and health-care, is VMS still used in the >>space/astronomy field. I can recall once that there was some software >>written for VMS in the space industry, but now its all for either SUN/ >>Windows/Unix. >>phillip > > > I can tell you with absolute certainty that VMS is used every day in > space and astronomy, and that much software written for VMS now runs > on other platforms. > The Multimission Image Processing Laboratory (MIPL) at JPL decommissioned their VMS machines in 2003 with the retirement of Galileo a couple of years after I started working at JPL. VICAR, their image processing system, ( http://www-mipl.jpl.nasa.gov/external/vicar.html ) which was ported from IBM in the early 80s to VMS and then to unix in the mid-90s had its last VMS version (D29) in 2003. Now it's all Solaris and Linux. The only VMS I know at JPL is an Alpha that is still being used by the NIMS team (instrument on Galileo). A VAX used by a co-worker as a printer driver was decommissioned a year or two ago. The Cassini Imaging Team lead also used VAXes and Alphas running VMS which I managed. I kept VMS alive there for many years, but when she moved from Tucson to Boulder, CO and I didn't follow, they dropped it. Vance ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 08:50:50 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Does NASA/JPL etc still use VMS? Message-ID: In article <5be4vcF2sv7e3U1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Well, we were talking about NASA and JPL. I meant the Pioneer 10 Team. :-) > I don't know about the data, but Pioneer 10 finally died several months ago. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 14:57:33 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Does NASA/JPL etc still use VMS? Message-ID: <5bgemtF2sqajlU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <5be4vcF2sv7e3U1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> Well, we were talking about NASA and JPL. I meant the Pioneer 10 Team. :-) >> > > I don't know about the data, but Pioneer 10 finally died several > months ago. :-( bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 08:01:30 -0700 From: roger tucker Subject: Re: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Message-ID: <1179846090.368461.106100@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com> This discussion has very little to do with OpenVMS. Please use other appropriate forums. For a really good article that just came out today and a place to discuss all of this see: http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2559 ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 08:07:17 -0700 From: roger tucker Subject: Re: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Message-ID: <1179846437.271888.136700@36g2000prm.googlegroups.com> This discussion has very little to do with OpenVMS. Please use other appropriate forums. For a really good article that just came out today and a place to discuss this see: http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2559 ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 11:36:19 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: "Dr. Dweeb" wrote in news:4651eb56$0$7604$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk: > Life would be less colourful without Bill and Bob and Andrew > pontificating. I'm trying to get into the habit of labelling the off-topic stuff [OT] so people can filter it out, but here - despite wildly differing politics - I agree with Dr. Dweeb. There is - perhaps in the opinion of some regrettably - a social aspect to the newsgroup. Andrew's joke about the ark was part of that, and without the wildly off-topic "stuff" you'd not get the opportunity for the jokes. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 01:16:40 -0700 From: guenterg2005-google@yahoo.de Subject: problems with stack dump on itanium Message-ID: <1179821800.488553.13080@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> hi, I have a problem with a stack dump from a C++ program under VMS Itanium V8.3, C++ V7.2-018. The line number which is shown in the stack dump doesn't point to the correct line number. If I look to the shown line number in the source code it's a completly different routine. Anybody has the same problem? Is it a bug? One additional information, the program is a multithreaded program. g=FCnter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:49:51 -0400 From: Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> Subject: Re: problems with stack dump on itanium Message-ID: <4652cace$0$323$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Get at least the V7.2-018 from HP. The -018 has known problems, we could not even start to run our application with that one. Jur. guenterg2005-google@yahoo.de wrote: > hi, > I have a problem with a stack dump from a C++ program under VMS > Itanium V8.3, C++ V7.2-018. > The line number which is shown in the stack dump doesn't point to the > correct line number. If I look to the shown line number in the source > code it's a completly different routine. > Anybody has the same problem? Is it a bug? > One additional information, the program is a multithreaded program. > > günter > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:08:00 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: problems with stack dump on itanium Message-ID: <00A67FC8.65645F9B@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <4652cace$0$323$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> writes: > > >Get at least the V7.2-018 from HP. The -018 has known problems, >we could not even start to run our application with that one. > >Jur. But he said he has that rev: >guenterg2005-google@yahoo.de wrote: >> hi, >> I have a problem with a stack dump from a C++ program under VMS >> Itanium V8.3, C++ V7.2-018. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:03:17 -0400 From: "Ed Vogel" Subject: Re: problems with stack dump on itanium Message-ID: wrote in message news:1179821800.488553.13080@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >hi, >I have a problem with a stack dump from a C++ program under VMS >Itanium V8.3, C++ V7.2-018. >The line number which is shown in the stack dump doesn't point to the >correct line number. If I look to the shown line number in the source >code it's a completly different routine. >Anybody has the same problem? Is it a bug? >One additional information, the program is a multithreaded program. There are a number of problems with traceback information with C++ V7.2 on Integrity. Some of these are documented in the Release Notes. We have corrected most of the problems in the next release, V7.3 which is currently in field test. Of note, debug and traceback line numbers will not be the OpenVMS-standard "listing file number" rather than the source file number which V7.2 has used. If you wish to know if your specific problem has been corrected, you'll need to provide more information. We are sorry that problems in V7.2 have caused you difficulty. Ed Vogel DEC/Compaq/HP C/C++ Engineering. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 09:05:02 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: problems with stack dump on itanium Message-ID: In article <1179821800.488553.13080@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, guenterg2005-google@yahoo.de writes: > hi, > I have a problem with a stack dump from a C++ program under VMS > Itanium V8.3, C++ V7.2-018. > The line number which is shown in the stack dump doesn't point to the > correct line number. If I look to the shown line number in the source > code it's a completly different routine. > Anybody has the same problem? Is it a bug? > One additional information, the program is a multithreaded program. 1) make absolutely sure you are looking at the line number from the C++ compiler listing (not a source editor) for the same build as the executable you're running 2) if that confirms the wrong line number, then rebuild the program with assembly language listing and a linker map and you can figure out where you really were from the addresses in the stack dump ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:44:12 -0400 From: Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> Subject: Re: problems with stack dump on itanium Message-ID: <465301bb$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Right. I meant V7.2-022 Jur. VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <4652cace$0$323$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> writes: >> >> Get at least the V7.2-018 from HP. The -018 has known problems, >> we could not even start to run our application with that one. >> >> Jur. > > But he said he has that rev: > >> guenterg2005-google@yahoo.de wrote: >>> hi, >>> I have a problem with a stack dump from a C++ program under VMS >>> Itanium V8.3, C++ V7.2-018. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:45:24 GMT From: "John Vottero" Subject: Re: problems with stack dump on itanium Message-ID: <8mD4i.6785$RX.3448@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net> "Ed Vogel" wrote in message news:f2ut78$9fk$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > > wrote in message > news:1179821800.488553.13080@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>hi, >>I have a problem with a stack dump from a C++ program under VMS >>Itanium V8.3, C++ V7.2-018. >>The line number which is shown in the stack dump doesn't point to the >>correct line number. If I look to the shown line number in the source >>code it's a completly different routine. >>Anybody has the same problem? Is it a bug? >>One additional information, the program is a multithreaded program. > > There are a number of problems with traceback information > with C++ V7.2 on Integrity. Some of these are documented in > the Release Notes. > > We have corrected most of the problems in the next release, V7.3 > which is currently in field test. Of note, debug and traceback line > numbers will not be the OpenVMS-standard "listing file number" > rather than the source file number which V7.2 has used. Sorry but, that doesn't make sense to me. Did you mean to write "debug and traceback line numbers will NOW be..."? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:48:48 +0100 From: Chris Sharman Subject: Replacing LAT terminal servers Message-ID: [I'm back - consulting for a bit] We've got a bunch of terminal servers (various brands) running LAT, mainly for a shop floor application running some 20-50 barcode scanners (seasonal variation). Maintenance & configuration is becoming a pain. What solution are people using these days? Our app uses the LAT specific calls as documented in the I/O Ref manual to initiate dialogue with each scanner in turn. I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to change to telnet instead, or similar? What would be the preferred hardware and software to multiplex 50 scanners to a vms application? Thanks Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:32:17 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2007 08:48:48 -0700, Chris Sharman wrote: > [I'm back - consulting for a bit] > > We've got a bunch of terminal servers (various brands) running LAT, > mainly for a shop floor application running some 20-50 barcode scanners > (seasonal variation). > > Maintenance & configuration is becoming a pain. > > What solution are people using these days? > > Our app uses the LAT specific calls as documented in the I/O Ref manual > to initiate dialogue with each scanner in turn. > > I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to change to telnet instead, or > similar? > > What would be the preferred hardware and software to multiplex 50 > scanners to a vms application? Can the scanners have an IP address? > > Thanks > Chris -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:11:06 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Message-ID: <4653161A.2060000@comcast.net> Tom Linden wrote: > On Tue, 22 May 2007 08:48:48 -0700, Chris Sharman > wrote: > >> [I'm back - consulting for a bit] >> >> We've got a bunch of terminal servers (various brands) running LAT, >> mainly for a shop floor application running some 20-50 barcode >> scanners (seasonal variation). >> >> Maintenance & configuration is becoming a pain. >> >> What solution are people using these days? >> >> Our app uses the LAT specific calls as documented in the I/O Ref >> manual to initiate dialogue with each scanner in turn. >> >> I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to change to telnet instead, or >> similar? >> >> What would be the preferred hardware and software to multiplex 50 >> scanners to a vms application? > > > Can the scanners have an IP address? > >> >> Thanks >> Chris > > > > The scanners I'm familiar with share a "PS/2" port with a keyboard. If you stick a barcode in front of the scanner, it's the same as if you had typed the encoded string at the keyboard. There are also a few USB scanners that connect to a USB port on a PC or a "Net station" (box that runs a keyboard, mouse, and monitor with any "computing" done by a server in the data center). I think you need to define your hardware configuration in a little more detail. FWIW, I don't think barcode scanners have the "brains" to run a TCP/IP stack. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:21:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Dale Dellutri Subject: Re: Replacing LAT terminal servers Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:48:48 +0100, Chris Sharman wrote: > [I'm back - consulting for a bit] > We've got a bunch of terminal servers (various brands) running LAT, > mainly for a shop floor application running some 20-50 barcode scanners > (seasonal variation). > Maintenance & configuration is becoming a pain. > What solution are people using these days? > Our app uses the LAT specific calls as documented in the I/O Ref manual > to initiate dialogue with each scanner in turn. > I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to change to telnet instead, or > similar? > What would be the preferred hardware and software to multiplex 50 > scanners to a vms application? > Thanks > Chris I'll assume that the 50 scanners are serial-port devices, and the LAT terminal servers are simply there to concentrate multiple serial streams. This is similar to a console management solution. I use a Cyclades TS1000 (16 serial ports) connected to the serial console ports of various AlphaServers and routers, then use Conserver running on a Linux box to grab and log the console data. You could use a similar setup, but use VMS instead. On the VMS side, you can connect to the individual Cyclades ports via telnet or raw tcp/ip. The Cyclades gets a network address, and then each port responds to its own port number. This would eliminate the need for LAT for these devices. The app would have to be changed. There are many companies that make these serial port concentrators/terminal servers. -- Dale Dellutri (lose the Q's) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:32:13 +0200 From: Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski Subject: Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Message-ID: <20070522133213.69a29143.m_roguski@yahoo.com> On Sat, 19 May 2007 20:03:43 -0400 "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote: > I have some for $89 Thanks, but I guess I haven't expected THAT much. What about PowerStorms (3D or 4D)? anything below 50 bucks? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:59:02 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: TCPIP PROXY ISSUE Message-ID: John wrote: > I have noted some TCPIP PROXY issues from time to time - two to be exact. > > 1) Proxy In and Out > > Local Server - VMS V7.2-1h1 IP stack V5.0A - ECO 3 > Remote Server - VMS V7.3-2 IP stack V5.4 - ECO 6 > > On the Local Server I have the following proxy configured: > > $ TCPIP SHOW PROXY LOCUSER > LOCUSER CD REMUSER NODE1, NODE2, NODE3, NODE4, NODE5 > > However from time to time - not sure of the cycle (if there is any) the > proxy will look like this (not always the same server causing me grief) > > $ TCPIP SHOW PROXY LOCUSER > LOCUSER CD REMUSER NODE1, NODE2, NODE3 > LOCUSER C REMUSER NODE4 > LOCUSER CD REMUSER NODE5 > > [... rest snipped ...] > > Any thoughts? You're hitting the magic number of the maximum number of proxies. It's set at a (low) default value of 20. TCPIP> help set comm /prox SET COMMUNICATION /PROXIES /PROXIES=n Optional. Default: Number of communication proxies plus 10, with a minimum of 20. Specifies the maximum size of the proxy cache. If you plan to add entries to the proxy database after you start the TCP/IP Services software, set /PROXIES to a value higher than the default. You cannot change this value if the TCP/IP Services software is running. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 00:43:20 -0700 From: Oswald Subject: Re: TCPIP PROXY ISSUE Message-ID: <1179819800.300239.139290@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On 22 mei, 01:19, John wrote: > NODE2> TCPIP SHOW PROXY LOCUSER /HOST=REMNODE > > VMS User_name Type User_ID Group_ID Host_name > LOCUSER C REMUSER REMNODE To get the proxy you added on node1 active (dynamic) on node2 use the command: $ tcpip set tcp/signal Regards, Oswald ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:56:10 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: Neil Rieck schrieb: > The POWER6 supposedly is the first UNIX microprocessor able to > calculate decimal floating-point arithmetic in hardware. Until now, > calculations involving decimal numbers with floating decimal points > were done using software. The built-in decimal floating-point > capability gives advantage to enterprises running complex tax, > financial, and ERP programs, among others. certainly good news for PL/I compiler makers. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 03:52:09 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: <1179831129.638108.251380@y18g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On May 21, 10:55 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > doubles every 18 months, the IBM processor is driven by a number of > > technical advances scored during the five-year research and > > development effort to develop the POWER6 chip. These include: > > > Neil Rieck > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > > Aren't you a bit pretentious to claim you are one of the technical > advances that made Power6 possible ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > I was so shocked by the line "That tops out at 300 gigabytes per second -- 30 times faster than HP's Itanium, according to IBM" that I didn't see the the words "These include:" hanging there. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:18:17 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: World's Fastest Processor? For Now, Anyway Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2007 02:56:10 -0700, Michael Kraemer wrote: > Neil Rieck schrieb: > >> The POWER6 supposedly is the first UNIX microprocessor able to >> calculate decimal floating-point arithmetic in hardware. Until now, >> calculations involving decimal numbers with floating decimal points >> were done using software. The built-in decimal floating-point >> capability gives advantage to enterprises running complex tax, >> financial, and ERP programs, among others. > > certainly good news for PL/I compiler makers. Unfortunately they already have their own, with OO extensions and builtin XML parser. > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 2007 11:44:18 GMT From: Doc Subject: [OT] BJAODN Re: Free HP laptop wtih $10000 or higher purchase Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in news:WPOg9E4zsAKn@eisner.encompasserve.org: > In article , "David Turner, > Island Computers US Corp" writes: >> Get a free BRAND NEW HP Laptop with your next purchase of $10000 or >> more. >> > > You guys will sell me $10000? At what rate? Must be cheap... The U.S. goverment has been giving them away to the Chinese for years. Doc. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.280 ************************