INFO-VAX Fri, 20 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 393 Contents: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) GNV 2.1-1 start-up nit Re: joining encompass US Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:10:28 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Message-ID: <1184868628.687471.155430@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 18, 8:11 pm, John Santos wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > Syltrem wrote: > [...] > > Have you checked if DFU's undelete function will bring them back? Since > they are installed, the blocks they are using on the disk and their headers > are safe from re-use, they just have a delete-pending bit set in memory > somewhere and in their headers, and they are no longer entered in any > directory. If DFU can clean up the delete-pending bits, ana/disk/repair > should put them in [syslost], and then you can create (or recreate) the > directory and rename them from [syslost] to [desired_directory], thus > restoring the system state. [...] > -- > John Santos > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I thought it must have come up before as I'm using DFU 2.4, 2.6, and 2.7-A, but I better mention it now: DFU's UNDELETE function clobbered other files when I used it! I got ANAL/DISK messages like this one: %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entry [SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSMGR]PORT.COM;7 -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRFIDSEQ, invalid file sequence number in directory file ID I'd try it on a scratch disk first. Has anyone else had this problem with DFU? AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:28:20 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: GNV 2.1-1 start-up nit Message-ID: I recently installed the GNV 2.1-1 kit on my XP1000, OpenVMS Alpha v8.3 with all ECOs applied. It seemed to work fine until the next system reboot, when SYS$UPDATE:GNV$STARTUP.COM failed with errors about the "mnt" symbol not being defined. So I took a look at what it was doing and discovered that it defined the mnt symbol (in an auxiliary procedure called PSX$UP_STARTUP.COM), then deleted it, then attempted to use it. So I commented out the line that deleted the symbol and all appears to be going swimmingly. While I was rooting around in there I noticed that it was attempting to create mount points for the members of my system disk shadowset as well as the shadowset itself. I don't know that there's any particular harm in that on its own, but it doesn't sound like something I want it doing, so I added a line to make it skip shadowset members. My changes are below. Use at your own risk. $ gdiff -u sys$startup:psx$up_startup.com;-0 sys$startup:psx$up_startup.com --- sys$startup:psx$up_startup.com;-0 Fri Jan 5 16:40:00 2007 +++ sys$startup:psx$up_startup.com Sat Jul 14 12:50:19 2007 @@ -131,7 +131,7 @@ $! Restore state and cleanup. $! Then we are done. $ set process/parse='proc_parse' -$ delete/symbol/global mnt +$!$ delete/symbol/global mnt $ $ exit ! PSX$UP_STARTUP.COM @@ -192,6 +192,7 @@ $ if $$$dev .eqs. "" then return $ mntd = f$getdvi ($$$dev, "mnt") $ if .not. mntd then goto loop +$ if f$getdvi($$$dev, "SHDW_MEMBER") then goto loop $ if f$verify() then write sys$output "Device is mounted: ''$$$dev'" $ $$$vol = f$getdvi ($$$dev, "volnam") $ $$$devnam = $$$dev - ":" - "_" -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:32:23 -0700 From: DaveG Subject: Re: joining encompass US Message-ID: <1184877143.311558.169730@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 15, 9:45 pm, john Doef wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to join encompass US as an associate (Non member) but the > site seems > to be broken (page not found when I click on 'online form' link). > > Did somebody sucessfully join recently ? > > JD. Try it again. I sent the Encompass office a note on this and it seems to be OK now. Dave... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:07:28 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: <41Tni.50$sc1.25@newsfe12.lga> In article <77884$469ff84f$cef8887a$30474@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > >Mr Vaxman, don't feel singled out. > >The RIAA equivalent in Canada is now going after HAIRDRESSERS ! yes, >they want them to pay royalties for playing music in the hair dressing >salons. I don't own the radio station I listen to... a guy in San Diego does. Listeners have suggested that the server be moved to another country. The problem is that this is happening everywhere... the US, the UK, you say in Canada... unless the servers are moved to Antarctica, the probability of getting away from somebody wanting to impose usurious fees is close to nil. At least, in Antarctica the process cooling is cheaper! :D I don't know about internet connectivity and I'd wager a good bet that the latency would be pretty abysmal. >I think that artists should tell their RIAA to cool it and be reasonable. ...but the RIAA doesn't care about the artists. >And I think that any CD that is "protected" by the RIAA should have the >RIAA logo on it so we know to avoid buying it. Now that's a GRRRRREAT! idea. Boycott the buggers and maybe, just maybe they'll wake up and hear the bell tolling.... nah! They'll stupidly put themselves out of business with their greed. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:57:08 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: <46A00864.2090803@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Mr Vaxman, don't feel singled out. > > The RIAA equivalent in Canada is now going after HAIRDRESSERS ! yes, > they want them to pay royalties for playing music in the hair dressing > salons. > > I think that artists should tell their RIAA to cool it and be reasonable. > > And I think that any CD that is "protected" by the RIAA should have the > RIAA logo on it so we know to avoid buying it. I don't see why anyone should be surprised! The copyright owners expect to be paid for the use of their copyrighted material. When you buy a CD, or an old style vinyl record, you get a license for personal use; e.g. home, family, and guests, if any. You cannot buy the same CD and use it to supply "elevator music" in any commercial environment without paying additional royalties for the privilege. Neither can you broadcast it over the radio waves or the internet without paying a royalty therefore. Same deal with software! You can't legally use VMS without a license of some sort any more than you can use Windows without such a license; that the license normally is included in the purchase price of your PC doesn't mean that there isn't one. If you write and sell software for a living, don't you expect to be paid? If you sold one copy to me and I made two copies for two friends without any additional payment, would you feel you had been ripped off? If those two friends each made two copies for for two of their friends. . . .? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:08:52 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Message-ID: <1184868532.803974.202300@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> On Jul 18, 12:17 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 07/18/07 07:01, Bob Koehler wrote: > > > In article , Ron Johnson writes: > >> I'm referring to a PC-102 keyboard that accesses VMS using a > >> terminal emulator. > > > I'm refereing to a lenevo laptop and a Targus keypad. All the keys > > are grey. > > > Perhaps you'll let us know which of your keys are grey? All PCs > > are different, and your post kind of hinges on that. > > I'll do you one better and show you the whole keyboard! > > http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/20070718-120430.jpg > > The same keys that are grey on my 6 year old Gateway keypad are a > dark (but noticeably different) grey on my IBM black external > keyboard (for use with a "company" IBM/Lenovo Stinkpad). > That keyboard still has the large [+] key problem (which was the OP's complaint.) AFAIK, only real LK's (or clones if they exist) have the "proper" key layout. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:51:16 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Message-ID: Doug Phillips writes: >That keyboard still has the large [+] key problem (which was the OP's >complaint.) AFAIK, only real LK's (or clones if they exist) have the >"proper" key layout. Which LK keyboards (and any clones) have the "proper" layout and the PC connector, or a USB connector, other than the LK461, LK46W and LK462? I need to replace an LK461 soon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:18:19 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Message-ID: <1184887099.595281.249400@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 19, 3:04 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 07/19/07 13:08, Doug Phillips wrote: > > > > > On Jul 18, 12:17 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 07/18/07 07:01, Bob Koehler wrote: > > >>> In article , Ron Johnson writes: > >>>> I'm referring to a PC-102 keyboard that accesses VMS using a > >>>> terminal emulator. > >>> I'm refereing to a lenevo laptop and a Targus keypad. All the keys > >>> are grey. > >>> Perhaps you'll let us know which of your keys are grey? All PCs > >>> are different, and your post kind of hinges on that. > >> I'll do you one better and show you the whole keyboard! > > >>http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/20070718-120430.jpg > > >> The same keys that are grey on my 6 year old Gateway keypad are a > >> dark (but noticeably different) grey on my IBM black external > >> keyboard (for use with a "company" IBM/Lenovo Stinkpad). > > > That keyboard still has the large [+] key problem (which was the OP's > > complaint.) AFAIK, only real LK's (or clones if they exist) have the > > "proper" key layout. > > The start of this whole threadlet was that (depending on your > emulator) Shift-Grey-Plus or Ctrl-Grey-Plus acts like KP-. > Not that it's that important to me, but the start of the thread that has the same subject line as your post: > Subject: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) was: > From: "C.W.Holeman II" >>Bob Koehler wrote: >> emacs has had EDT keybindings for a long, long time. But not all >> keyboards have those keys. > > The keyboard keypad that I am using has a double height "+" key. Are > there keyboards that work on a PC that have the EDT keypad? So, that's why I pointed out that the keyboard you're talking about also has the "double height + key"; just in case C.W.Holeman II couldn't get to the photo you posted and ran out to buy one like yours. Your reply was to Bob Kohler's "Grey?" response to your "Typically, KP- is emulated by Shift-grey-plus or Ctrl-grey-plus." post. Sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:56:39 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article <469F6D4C.70603@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > If you had the perp's name and address, what could you do? Odds are > that he's in Peking or Singapore or is relaying through a zombie > somewhere. . . . This sort of shit hits the bit-bucket at my router and > I simply ignore it. From another angle, it could be a PC within your network that has a terminal emulator pointing at the wrong system. Ditto for an SCOPY job etc. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:42:07 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article <1184779392_1671@sp12lax.superfeed.net>, Kevin Handy writes: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > More ssh attacks. They are mostly a nuisance. However, logs full of > > OPCOM messages like this > > SSH attacks like this are very common. Everyone > with internet access is probably getting them, > but most people are running Windows and don't > see any errors, or don't check their log files. > > They were consuming over half my bandwidth for > significant amount of time on my DSL line, > which has a Linux bix attached to it. It > doesn't even have any kind of name attached > to it, so they are just attacking random IP > addresses. Indeed. The internet is a sewer. Today I have received about 6000 email messages. Most of them were from RBLs, so nothing actually got delivered. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:03:33 -0700 From: "AlexNOSPAMDaniels@themail.co.uk" Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: <1184900613.447186.241630@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On 18 Jul, 23:38, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > What's stopping me from the final touch and give it to you: > Being busy, and writing a simple LIB$SPAWN to do either a: > $ TCPIP SET COMMUNICATION/REJECT=ip.add.re.ss or > $ TCPIP SET ROUTE ip.add.re.ss /GATEWAY=black.hole or something, and > a LIB$SPAWN to do a SET AUDIT, plus cleanup. The hard part is done > and working. I'd advise against "ucx set comm/reject", it's limited to 32 addresses, the number of attacks (or co-ordinated attacked from multiple addresses), at once could go beyond that. HP have also publically stated that the number will not be increased 'any time soon'. If you're planning on leaving the addresses in and not timing them out, it certainly will. Personally I'd like to see the code optionally observe the LGI system params for adding/removing the blocking. A better place for this functionality would of course be in VMS / TCP/ IP Services fully linked in with sys$scan_intrusion / SYS$ACM, but given the general lack of attention to security in VMS and TCP/IP Services, I'm not holding my breath. Even hpux (with the recent HIDS) other *nixs are making more of an effort to inovate with security now. You can now however use ifconfig filter, see below for an example, that supports a much higher number of entries (see tcpip$examples:if.h for the exact size). You can also do the ifconfig programatically (probably getifaddrs). $ ucx ping bbc.co.uk PING bbc.co.uk (212.58.224.131): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 212.58.224.131: icmp_seq=0 ttl=123 time=15 ms 64 bytes from 212.58.224.131: icmp_seq=1 ttl=123 time=14 ms 64 bytes from 212.58.224.131: icmp_seq=2 ttl=123 time=14 ms 64 bytes from 212.58.224.131: icmp_seq=3 ttl=123 time=14 ms ----bbc.co.uk PING Statistics---- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 14/14/15 ms $ $ $ type tcpip$etc:ifaccess.conf # we0 bbc.co.uk 255.255.255.255 denylog $ $ ucx ifconfig we0 filter Reading filters from tcpip$etc:ifaccess.conf we0 212.58.224.131 255.255.255.255 denylog - filter added $ $ ucx ping bbc.co.uk PING bbc.co.uk (212.58.224.131): 56 data bytes %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 20-JUL-2007 12:35:30.91 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on xxxxxx ipintr: IP addr 212.58.224.131 on WE0: access denied %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 20-JUL-2007 12:35:31.91 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on xxxxxx ipintr: IP addr 212.58.224.131 on WE0: access denied %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 20-JUL-2007 03:35:32.91 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on xxxxxx ipintr: IP addr 212.58.224.131 on WE0: access denied %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 20-JUL-2007 12:35:33.91 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on xxxxxx ipintr: IP addr 212.58.224.131 on WE0: access denied ----bbc.co.uk PING Statistics---- 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss %SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout $ Alex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:29:06 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Message-ID: In article , Slor writes: > Hello everyone. I have a pretty newbie question for the group - I recently > picked up a 3000-M600 with 64MB of RAM, and I'm wondering what the > preferred OpenVMS version would be for that machine. If I go too recent, > I'm concerned I might suffer performance issues, so any opinions from > experience with such as system would be greatly appreciated. I'm running 7.3-2 on one and will probably move to 8.3 soon. 8.3 is supported on this machine. Minimum memory requirements have increased over the years. I believe 7.3-2 officially requires 64 MB. I did run it (but did not install it---I swapped the system disk) on a machine with 48 MB, but performance was lacking. I have 192 MB of memory in mine. It can even run CSWB, but quite slowly. I would recommend more memory and installing 8.3. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.393 ************************