INFO-VAX Thu, 26 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 405 Contents: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols RE: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files RE: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Re: create/term/detach error Re: create/term/detach error Re: create/term/detach error Re: create/term/detach error Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Re: Dynamically set VMS "environment" settings from a program? 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Re: XML for VMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:14:08 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > >In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG >writes: > >> I would wager that after many days of creating and deleting DCL symbols, the >> pool is too fragmented to allocate enough space to create some symbol and it >> is this that is causing you to get the: > >That sounds logical, since the job a) runs for long times (actually, it >runs forever, unless it crashes, at which time it is resubmitted) and b) >doesn't define many symbols. > >I suppose there is nothing to do but resubmit it when it crashes (this >is already done automatically). > >Is it more likely to run into this problem on VAX or on ALPHA? It is all dependent upon the size of the pool (SYSGEN: CLISYMTBL). When I wrote the pool statistics into SYMBOL, I had a DCL procedure that I would use to test this. It created a symbol (large equivalence string) and then another symbol (a short equivalence string). After that it would create another symbol (a large equivalence string) and it woudl then delete the symbol with the small equivalence string. It would repeat this until all of the memory was exhausted and I would get the SYMOVR. When I used the SYMBOL command to look at the pool, I would have lots of memory which an- other symbol could be easily held within but it was all composed of small fragments left from deleting the symbol with the short equivalence string. If I have the procedure still lying about and if you download SYMBOL, you can see this in action. Let me know if it's of interest. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:08:08 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: <008801c7cf29$cfb0d5b0$6f128110$@com> Boy, this is going to sound dumb, but didn't it just run out of space? There has to be a memory leak or some kind of failure to deallocate something there - it is using 1024 pages, which is its maximum. It looks to me like it started with 512? I am probably wrong with this assumption, but it is such an easy answer... :) -Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.no@spam.comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:23 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete > some symbols > > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > > > I have a batch job which crashed due to this error. It had been > running > > for 15 days. (It is a never-ending "loop" job.) I has run much > longer > > many times. Once the process is started, nothing really changes, so > > what actually causes the error? > > > > Parameter Name Current Default Minimum Maximum > Unit Dynamic > > -------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- -- > -- ------- > > CLISYMTBL 1024 512 20 1024 > Pages D > > > > Thus, no room for improvement here! > > As others have pointed out, it could anything from resource > fragmentation to > resource "leakage": symbols get created and never get deleted. I have a > process > at work that I restart every day due to the latter issue. It was only > ever > intended to be a Q&D, though its been running as an essential part of > our > production environment for a couple of years now. > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:31:54 GMT From: Alfred Falk Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: Ken Robinson wrote in news:1185385054.972914.59210 @k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over > 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. > > Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII or > RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows environment? The > files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). We're > runing > OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. I just tested reading a WP file created in 1995 with WordPerfect 12. Worked perfectly. I don't know what platform the file was actually created on. It could have be VMS, Window 3.1, or Mac - but they were all compatible. The trick will be to develop some sort of macro or script to go through all the files. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- A L B E R T A Alfred Falk falk@arc.ab.ca R E S E A R C H Information Systems Dept (780)450-5185 C O U N C I L 250 Karl Clark Road Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://www.arc.ab.ca/ T6N 1E4 http://outside.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:33:05 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: Ken Robinson wrote: > Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over > 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. Didn't wordperfect for VMS come with a CDA converter ? have you tried CONVERT/DOCUMENT myfile.something/format=WORDP myfile.text/format=ASCII ? DIR SYS$LIBRARY:DDIF$READ*.EXE will give you the formats that you can convert from. (replace "READ" with "WRITE" to get the formats you can write to). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:00:55 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: <46A79DE7.70407@comcast.net> Ken Robinson wrote: > Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over > 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. > > Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII or > RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows environment? The > files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). We're > runing > OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. > > When I did a search in Google almost all the posts were over 10 years > old. > > Thanks in advance. > > Ken Robinson > Baltimore, MD > kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com > ken (at) tangible-tech (dot) com > Open them using Word Perfect, then cut and paste the text into the application of your choice. ;-) A better choice might be to contact Chris Muller at 516-833-3067. http://www.mullermedia.com/ He specializes in reading weird media/formats and writing them to the media and format of your choice. Tell him I sent you! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:17:00 -0700 From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: <1185394620.284871.279590@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 25, 7:37 pm, Ken Robinson wrote: > Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over > 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. > > Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII or > RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows environment? The > files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). We're > runing > OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. > > When I did a search in Google almost all the posts were over 10 years > old. > > Thanks in advance. > > Ken Robinson > Baltimore, MD > kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com > ken (at) tangible-tech (dot) com The following product appears to provide the needed functionality... KEYpak Document Conversion http://www.keypak.com/index.htm Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:04:25 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: <1185397465.918633.314000@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 25, 12:37 pm, Ken Robinson wrote: > Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over > 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. > > Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII or > RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows environment? The > files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). We're > runing > OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. > > When I did a search in Google almost all the posts were over 10 years > old. > > Thanks in advance. > > Ken Robinson > Baltimore, MD > kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com > ken (at) tangible-tech (dot) com I still have my WP keyboard templates for LK201 and 401 keyboards. Wish we still had the software; we resold it so never had to buy it ourselves (just renew licenses every year). At one time we had > 800 seats under maintenance. The current holders of the VMS version didn't offer a hobbyist version (free or lower cost) so I don't have it at home either, darn it. It was a nice package and I'd still use it at home if I could (graphical word processors suck for my simple letter/memo needs). What others have said. We've imported our old VMS WordPerfect files into Word 2000, WordPerfect/windows 9 and 10, etc. Imports into PC WordPerfect are almost always perfect, with rare exceptions for some old font support mods we made. Word does OK with simple documents but can be thrown by complex tables or other specialty setups. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:16:47 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: <35Ppi.1256$vU7.1128@newsfe12.lga> In article <1185397465.918633.314000@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Rich Jordan writes: > > >On Jul 25, 12:37 pm, Ken Robinson wrote: >> Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over >> 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII or >> RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows environment? The >> files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). We're >> runing >> OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. >> >> When I did a search in Google almost all the posts were over 10 years >> old. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Ken Robinson >> Baltimore, MD >> kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com >> ken (at) tangible-tech (dot) com > >I still have my WP keyboard templates for LK201 and 401 keyboards. >Wish we still had the software; we resold it so never had to buy it >ourselves (just renew licenses every year). At one time we had > 800 >seats under maintenance. > >The current holders of the VMS version didn't offer a hobbyist version >(free or lower cost) so I don't have it at home either, darn it. It >was a nice package and I'd still use it at home if I could (graphical >word processors suck for my simple letter/memo needs). The current holders are ProvN Technologies. http://www.ProvN.com >What others have said. We've imported our old VMS WordPerfect files >into Word 2000, WordPerfect/windows 9 and 10, etc. Imports into PC >WordPerfect are almost always perfect, with rare exceptions for some >old font support mods we made. Word does OK with simple documents but >can be thrown by complex tables or other specialty setups. I thought that the big claim to fame with WordPerfect was that the files could be manipulated by WordPerfect on ANY platform on which WordPerfect ran. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:51:45 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: <1185400305.914210.148880@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> On Jul 25, 4:16 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1185397465.918633.314...@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Rich Jordan writes: > > > > > > >On Jul 25, 12:37 pm, Ken Robinson wrote: > >> Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over > >> 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. > > >> Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII or > >> RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows environment? The > >> files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). We're > >> runing > >> OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. > > >> When I did a search in Google almost all the posts were over 10 years > >> old. > > >> Thanks in advance. > > >> Ken Robinson > >> Baltimore, MD > >> kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com > >> ken (at) tangible-tech (dot) com > > >I still have my WP keyboard templates for LK201 and 401 keyboards. > >Wish we still had the software; we resold it so never had to buy it > >ourselves (just renew licenses every year). At one time we had > 800 > >seats under maintenance. > > >The current holders of the VMS version didn't offer a hobbyist version > >(free or lower cost) so I don't have it at home either, darn it. It > >was a nice package and I'd still use it at home if I could (graphical > >word processors suck for my simple letter/memo needs). > > The current holders are ProvN Technologies. http://www.ProvN.com > > >What others have said. We've imported our old VMS WordPerfect files > >into Word 2000, WordPerfect/windows 9 and 10, etc. Imports into PC > >WordPerfect are almost always perfect, with rare exceptions for some > >old font support mods we made. Word does OK with simple documents but > >can be thrown by complex tables or other specialty setups. > > I thought that the big claim to fame with WordPerfect was that the files > could be manipulated by WordPerfect on ANY platform on which WordPerfect > ran. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html Brian, thats true but when customer requirements make you take the printer config files that shipped with wordperfect and hack them apart in various unclean ways to do something utterly pointless but mandated by the pointy headed bosses, you do it. And if as a result the documents created to print just so with those config files cannot print exactly the same on a 12+ year newer version of the software with unmodified print config files on a different platform, I don't consider that a failure in cross platform compatibility. MS Word, on the other hand, can't handle importing some of the more complex formatting, tables, etc that could be done in WordPerfect. You'll get a usable document but it won't print properly and will often take a lot of work to get back into shape. BTW if the OP still has Wordperfect running on the VMS system it should be capable of doing a reasonable conversion to text by printing to disk using a plain line printer config. You could probably even create a macro to do the work, then batch execute WordPerfect with that macro across the files; I don't remember the details on how but I know it was possible. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:13:10 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Cayemberg [mailto:keith.cayemberg@arcor.de] > Sent: July 25, 2007 4:17 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files > > On Jul 25, 7:37 pm, Ken Robinson wrote: > > Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are > over > > 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII > or > > RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows > environment? The > > files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). > We're > > runing > > OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. > > > > When I did a search in Google almost all the posts were over 10 > years > > old. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Ken Robinson > > Baltimore, MD > > kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com > > ken (at) tangible-tech (dot) com > > The following product appears to provide the needed > functionality... > > KEYpak Document Conversion > http://www.keypak.com/index.htm > > Cheers! > > Keith Cayemberg Keith, Hey, good to hear from you again .. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:14:47 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: create/term/detach error Message-ID: <46A0ED87.9060401@comcast.net> rtk wrote: > I'm using an AlphaServer 1000 4/200, OpenVMS 7.3-1. If I try to > create a detached terminal I get this error: > > $ create/term/detach > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DECW$TRANSPORT_COMMON > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file Q$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DECW > $TRANSPORT_COMMON.EXE > -SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed > $ > > I do know that DECwindows is not running because of a lack of > resources. I get a message to that effect when I boot. It was > working until I installed TCP/IP. > > Logically, the two problems are related. My question is, how do I fix > the resource error so DECwindows starts on boot? > > Ron > Get more "resources"! You don't mention how much memory you have but that's a likely candidate. The problem might also have something to do with UAF quotas and limits. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:12:06 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: create/term/detach error Message-ID: In article <1184949934.298012.131210@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, rtk writes: > > >I'm using an AlphaServer 1000 4/200, OpenVMS 7.3-1. If I try to >create a detached terminal I get this error: > >$ create/term/detach >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DECW$TRANSPORT_COMMON >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file Q$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DECW >$TRANSPORT_COMMON.EXE >-SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed >$ > >I do know that DECwindows is not running because of a lack of >resources. I get a message to that effect when I boot. It was >working until I installed TCP/IP. > >Logically, the two problems are related. My question is, how do I fix >the resource error so DECwindows starts on boot? Without seeing the error on startup, I can't say which resource is starved. I'd suggest using AUTOGEN and rebooting. Check on the video card you have in the system. Some of them may have resource requirements that you can ad- dress with entries in MODPARAMS.DAT. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:49:17 -0700 From: rtk Subject: Re: create/term/detach error Message-ID: <1184953757.284818.109080@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 20, 11:18 am, JF Mezei wrote: > Unfortunatly, DECwindows checks the SYSGEN parameters when it starts up > and will complain bitterly if it doesn't fit the needs for full fledged > DECwindows environment. I'm at work now otherwise I would grab the boot time error from the console. Still, I'm seeing a theme in the many replies (thanks!) and will work on getting DECwindows to boot properly in the hopes that this error disappears. I'm actually attempting to get IDL to run and it gives me the exact same error on startup as create/term/detach. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:37:57 -0700 From: rtk Subject: Re: create/term/detach error Message-ID: <1184985477.424727.210500@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 20, 6:47 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > $SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM > $EDIT MODPARAMS.DAT > > In the editor, locate any reference to GBLSECTIONS. > Replace it with > MIN_GLBSECTIONS=300 > > This means that autogen can increase the value if it deems appropriate, > but cannot set it lower to 300. > > After you have saved modparams.dat > > @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN HELP > @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMS > > (you can replace GETDATA with SAVPARAMS which saves some run time > statistics to help tune your system). I made the change and ran AUTOGEN with GETDATA and SETPARAMS. Then I rebooted the system. And now it is dead.... nothing boots and all I see on the small LCD display on the front of the box is "ec." ??? These changes shouldn't have caused that but I'm not sure what it has happened. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:38:55 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Message-ID: <139sni13ldd6m91@corp.supernews.com> Hello JF "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:24b16$469e4c87$cef8887a$24343@TEKSAVVY.COM... > > Tisk Tisk ! No chocolate for you today :-) :-( > > ANA/DISK/REPAIR will restore those files to the [SYSLOST] directory. But > whiles it runs, IO on that disk grinds to a halt. > It's not in [SYSLOST] as it was purposely deleted And yes, I have to do this on Sundays only... or if I can't sleep at 3:00 AM > > To "uninstall" the images, you can try: > > $INSTALL PURGE > > This ininstalls all installed files from that node, on all disks where > there are installed images, global sections and what not. > > I did't know this. But still, I cannot do it as all hell will break loose in my applications. I'd rather do a shutdown. Someone else ? Thanks Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:56:55 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Message-ID: P. Sture wrote: > $ install add disk$alphasys:[temp]hello.exe/open/shared > $ del dka0:*.*.*/lo > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.C;1 deleted (18 blocks) > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.EXE;1 deleted (18 blocks) > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.OBJ;1 deleted (18 blocks) > %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 3 files deleted (54 blocks) As I recall, he didn't delete the .EXE, he deleted TEMP.DIR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:20:59 +1000 From: Jim Duff Subject: Re: Dynamically set VMS "environment" settings from a program? Message-ID: <46a8050d@dnews.tpgi.com.au> Paul Raulerson wrote: > [snip] > > But I finally found the magic incantation that takes care of *that* > problem... one need only perform a set term/NOLINE_EDITING and voila! The > doggone function keys work as expected. (From Putty, with VT400 keys set, > and using /DEVICE_TYPE=VT400_SERIES in the set term command...) > > Problem is, it actually does turn off terminal editing, and I *LIKE* > terminal editing! So I would like to dynamically turn this feature OFF when > a program starts, and then turn it back ON when the program exits. > > How might I go about doing this? In particular from COBOL? > > [snip] Erk, COBOL. Note that the magic bit is TT2$V_EDITING, not TT2$V_EDIT as other posters have mentioned. Here you go. IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. PROGRAM-ID. TEDIT. ENVIRONMENT DIVISION. DATA DIVISION. WORKING-STORAGE SECTION. 01 IOSB. 02 IOSB-STATUS PIC S9(4) COMP. 02 IOSB-COUNT PIC S9(4) COMP. 02 IOSB-DEV-INFO PIC S9(4) COMP. 01 R0-STATUS PIC S9(9) COMP. 01 SAVE-BASIC-CHARS PIC S9(9) COMP. 01 SAVE-EXTENDED-CHARS PIC S9(9) COMP. 01 EFN PIC S9(9) COMP. 01 NONE PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE 0. 01 ONE PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE 1. 01 IO$_SENSEMODE PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE EXTERNAL IO$_SENSEMODE. 01 IO$_SETMODE PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE EXTERNAL IO$_SETMODE. 01 TT2$V_EDITING PIC S9(9) COMP VALUE EXTERNAL TT2$V_EDITING. 01 CHARS. 02 CHARS-CLASS PIC X. 02 CHARS-TYPE PIC X. 02 CHARS-BUFSIZE PIC S9(4) COMP. 02 CHARS-BASIC PIC S9(9) COMP. 02 CHARS-EXTENDED PIC S9(9) COMP. 01 CHANNEL PIC S9(4) COMP. PROCEDURE DIVISION. EOFF SECTION. EOFF-BEGIN. CALL "LIB$GET_EF" USING BY REFERENCE EFN GIVING R0-STATUS. IF R0-STATUS IS FAILURE CALL "LIB$SIGNAL" USING BY VALUE R0-STATUS END-IF. CALL "SYS$ASSIGN" USING BY DESCRIPTOR "TT:", BY REFERENCE CHANNEL, OMITTED, OMITTED, OMITTED GIVING R0-STATUS. IF R0-STATUS IS FAILURE CALL "LIB$SIGNAL" USING BY VALUE R0-STATUS END-IF. DISPLAY "Switching off line editting... " WITH NO ADVANCING. CALL "SYS$QIOW" USING BY VALUE EFN, BY VALUE CHANNEL, BY VALUE IO$_SENSEMODE, BY REFERENCE IOSB, OMITTED, OMITTED, BY REFERENCE CHARS, BY VALUE 12, OMITTED, OMITTED, OMITTED, OMITTED GIVING R0-STATUS. IF R0-STATUS IS FAILURE CALL "LIB$SIGNAL" USING BY VALUE R0-STATUS END-IF. IF IOSB-STATUS IS FAILURE CALL "LIB$SIGNAL" USING BY VALUE IOSB-STATUS END-IF. * Save terminal characteristics before we change them. This is not * really needed, as we are going to do a set mode function on the * terminal that only changes the characteristics on a temporary basis. * When the program exits, the terminal driver will automatically reset * the characteristics for us... MOVE CHARS-BASIC TO SAVE-BASIC-CHARS. MOVE CHARS-EXTENDED TO SAVE-EXTENDED-CHARS. * Clear the appropriate bit... CALL "LIB$INSV" USING BY REFERENCE NONE, BY REFERENCE TT2$V_EDITING, BY REFERENCE ONE, BY REFERENCE CHARS-EXTENDED. * Actually do the deed... CALL "SYS$QIOW" USING BY VALUE EFN, BY VALUE CHANNEL, BY VALUE IO$_SETMODE, BY REFERENCE IOSB, OMITTED, OMITTED, BY REFERENCE CHARS, BY VALUE 12, OMITTED, OMITTED, OMITTED, OMITTED GIVING R0-STATUS. IF R0-STATUS IS FAILURE CALL "LIB$SIGNAL" USING BY VALUE R0-STATUS END-IF. IF IOSB-STATUS IS FAILURE CALL "LIB$SIGNAL" USING BY VALUE IOSB-STATUS END-IF. DISPLAY "done!" CALL "SYS$DASSGN" USING BY VALUE CHANNEL GIVING R0-STATUS. IF R0-STATUS IS FAILURE CALL "LIB$SIGNAL" USING BY VALUE R0-STATUS END-IF. CALL "LIB$FREE_EF" USING BY REFERENCE EFN GIVING R0-STATUS. IF R0-STATUS IS FAILURE CALL "LIB$SIGNAL" USING BY VALUE R0-STATUS END-IF. END PROGRAM TEDIT. -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:59:20 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: In article , John Sauter wrote: > P. Sture wrote: > > In article <0tudncHpA8Q3ygbbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > John Sauter wrote: > > > >> P. Sture wrote: > >> > >>> Yes, and having checked the date of EDT.EXE, it was distributed with the > >>> V8.3 upgrade (i.e. not left over from a previous VMS version). > >> It would be better to check the data of EDTSHR.EXE. EDT.EXE is just a > >> stub which invokes the shareable image. That said, if EDT.EXE was > >> relinked for 8.3, chances are EDTSHR.EXE was also. > >> John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) > > > > Here's the lot on V8.3 Alpha :-) > > [elided for brevity] > > That's quite interesting, thank you. Does the IIF file mean EDT on > Alpha is still running under the VAX simulator? I thought > they would have compiled it in native mode long since. The EDT source > is quite portable since it was written to also run on the PDP-11. Having sadly missed out on the excitement of using VEST, I honestly don't know. What I can tell you is that this file is identical to the one on VMS 7.2-1, dated July 1995. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:08:15 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Farewell Paul Repacholi Message-ID: In article , mustang@NOSPAM.ucc.asn.au writes: > > >Hello, >It is my sad duty to inform you all that our friend Paul Repacholi has >passed away. >Paul died in the wee hours of 15-JUL-2007 and was farewelled by family >and friends in a very dignified service today. Oh my! This is sad and shocking. I have often had email conversations with Paul. I believe I still have a photo of his daughter he emailed to me some time ago stashed away on disk. Please, if you can, extend my condolences to his family. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:58:01 +0000 (UTC) From: mustang@NOSPAM.ucc.asn.au Subject: Re: Farewell Paul Repacholi Message-ID: VAXman- wrote: : In article <657ef$46a236e6$cef8887a$10566@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: : > : > : >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: : >> Please, if you can, extend my condolences to his family. : > : >Not only this, but also mention that he had a whole virtual family on : >the net from aroud the world who feel the loss and wish all the sympathy : >to his family. : True and a nice thought JF. I consider the regular constituency here to be : a part of my "virtual" family. I've also met a great many here as well. I : never got to meet Paul face-to-face as Australia isn't an over-nighter for : me but we chatted on-line and off-line often enough that his passing means : much. Will do JF. Brian, if you ever make it to the western half of .au, I'll take you to visit Paul's KL-10 :) Regards, d. -- " I don't get mad.... I get stabby. " - William "Fat Tony" Williams. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:44:03 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Farewell Paul Repacholi Message-ID: In article , mustang@NOSPAM.ucc.asn.au wrote: > Hello, > It is my sad duty to inform you all that our friend Paul Repacholi has > passed away. > Paul died in the wee hours of 15-JUL-2007 and was farewelled by family > and friends in a very dignified service today. > A sad loss to us all, and on a personal level for me too. Please pass our condolences on to his family and friends. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:01:09 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Farewell Paul Repacholi Message-ID: In article , mustang@NOSPAM.ucc.asn.au writes: > > >VAXman- wrote: >: In article <657ef$46a236e6$cef8887a$10566@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >: > >: > >: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >: >> Please, if you can, extend my condolences to his family. >: > >: >Not only this, but also mention that he had a whole virtual family on >: >the net from aroud the world who feel the loss and wish all the sympathy >: >to his family. > >: True and a nice thought JF. I consider the regular constituency here to be >: a part of my "virtual" family. I've also met a great many here as well. I >: never got to meet Paul face-to-face as Australia isn't an over-nighter for >: me but we chatted on-line and off-line often enough that his passing means >: much. > >Will do JF. > >Brian, if you ever make it to the western half of .au, I'll take you to >visit Paul's KL-10 :) Thank you! Paul had offered to provide be lodging if ever I made my way to the western parts of .AU. My son, last summer as a part of a student ambassador program, toured .AU's west from Cairns to Sydney. I, however, have yet to make my way down under. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:38:48 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Farewell Paul Repacholi Message-ID: <657ef$46a236e6$cef8887a$10566@TEKSAVVY.COM> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Please, if you can, extend my condolences to his family. Not only this, but also mention that he had a whole virtual family on the net from aroud the world who feel the loss and wish all the sympathy to his family. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:36:09 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: GNV 2.1-1 start-up nit Message-ID: In article <46a12e15$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article , "Craig A. > Berry" writes: > >I recently installed the GNV 2.1-1 kit on my XP1000, OpenVMS Alpha v8.3 > > Is GNV now able to be PCSI REMOVEd again? Yes, I successfully uninstalled and reinstalled 2.1-1. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:25:03 +0200 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: HBA for zx2000 Message-ID: <46a0eff3$0$69886$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> This works for sure in V8.3 (it's in my private cluster and san), although unsupported: System Type HP zx6000 (1.00GHz/3.0MB) Primary CPU ID 0. Cycle Time 1.0 nsec (1000 MHz) Pagesize 8192 Byte CPU Type Itanium2 McKinley Rev B3 9 PCI FFFFFFFF.82D6E840 0 60 PCI FFFFFFFF.82D6ECE8 6008 0031 00D2 1520 FGA: 1 KGPSA-CA (Emulex LP8000) FGA0: operational firmware revision DS3.93A0 port_name(adapter_id) = 1000-0000-C922-673C, node_name(host_id) = 1000-0000-C922-673C Jur. Stephen Hoffman wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> In the Alphas I use Emulex LP8000, aka KGPSA-C, which are running the >> latest firmware. >> Will these work in an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3? > > You have a Fibre Channel widget and a 900 MHz McKinley zx2000 and an > interest in connecting this box to a FC SAN using OpenVMS I64 V8.3. > > That's more than I can say is likely available in most other localities > in the known universe. (I'd be mildly surprised if anybody has even > tried this particular combination.) > > Suggestion: try it. Post up an answer here and let us know the results > of your tests. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jul 2007 19:57:57 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: HBA for zx2000 Message-ID: <46a26545@news.langstoeger.at> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >BTW, I give this node a nonroutable alias using ifconfig, but it isn't >persistent across boots. How do you do that? Enter it in SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$SYSTARTUP.COM, if you like -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:11:38 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: HBA for zx2000 Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:57:57 -0700, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER > wrote: > > > In article , "Tom Linden" > > writes: > >> BTW, I give this node a nonroutable alias using ifconfig, but it isn't > >> persistent across boots. How do you do that? > > > > Enter it in SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$SYSTARTUP.COM, if you like > > That one doesn't existy on my systems. Is it somehow invoked if it exists? > Yes. It is invoked only if it exists. When creating it, you should consider whether you want it to be cluster wide or node-specific. If the former, put it in SYS$COMMON:[[SYS$STARTUP]. If the latter, put in the SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYS$STARTUP] for each node. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:09:17 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Message-ID: <008d01c7cf29$f8ab4090$ea01c1b0$@com> Please -- get a better newsreader and a faster internet connection.... > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:23 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > So, all these Java graduates are potential OpenVMS programmers. > Simply copy the Java programs to OpenVMS Java environment and run. > Stability, clustering and no monthly security patches to worry about. > Nice picture. > > Please fix your microsoft software to abide by standards and insert > CR-LF combinations at end of lines instead of end of paragraphs. > > Will VMS get a patch for the latest JAVA vulnerability ? If not, your > argument still stands, but it really means "you don't install patches > on > VMS because the vulnerabilities don't get fixed like on other > platforms". > > > (Also, please learn to trim the quotes to only what is relevant) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:30:37 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Message-ID: <7dd80f60707252030h332d6d83vce5cde7a0ced2a97@mail.gmail.com> On 7/25/07, Paul Raulerson wrote: > Please -- get a better newsreader and a faster internet connection.... The reason we're seeing all these old posts/responses has nothing to do with any one person's internet connection, it's because of the problem Google had with their newgroup interface last week. It's now fixed (sort of) and they are catching up (and it looks like they are resending alot of posts). Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:05:43 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: <008701c7cf29$791fe290$6b5fa7b0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:57 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) > > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > > Why not? We have quite a few at work that were purchased > specifically to > > run Linux. > > How much software is available for Linux on that IA64 thing ? Wouldn't > running Linux on a non-mainstream platform make it harder to get all > the > software you want ? > > I can understand building a one specifc application, (such as > calculating PI to the infinity) which doesn't depend on a whole slew of > middleware, and thus would not really matter on which platform it is > built on. > > But when you build more modern applications, don't they mostly depend > on > a lot of middleware ? Do you have to build that middleware yourself > from > sources on that IA64 thing, or are there vendors such as RedHat, Suse > etc which do provide pre=built easy to install middleware for IA64 ? > > If you replace IA64 with Alpha, do the answers to the above questions > change ? What about Power ? > Theyh definitely change with Power and other systems. Linux (and UNIX) is fundamentally different from systems like OpenVMS in a subtle, but very telling way. It is quite simply, built to be portable using a portable language. (As an aside, "C", which is the "common tongue" of all Unix distributions, is basically portable PDP-11 assembler language. Even today, and despite what the C++ advocates say. :) Virtually anything you want to take the trouble to build is available out there for any Linux platform. Vendors sometimes do not realize that to support their product under Linux, they really need to port it to x86 32 bit, x86 64 bit, Power, and so forth. Even though the port is usually easy and not a lot of trouble to do. It is amazing to watch a "knowledgeable" sales rep tell you with a straight face that "nobody" really uses Linux on anything but x86. :) The vast majority of our daily production work (at my day job!) runs under zLinux on a mainframe- you don't get much more incompatible with x86 instructions than on a zSeries machine. Yet we have little or no trouble finding and getting the software we need anytime we need it. I did have a bit of a cussed time building a radius server because of processor differences, but it was only the work of 30 minutes or so to fix and build anyway. While I love Unix and Linux, this is exactly what I want to avoid porting to them; you have to support a plethora of different platforms, or else you have to release the code and let the users support themselves. OpenVMS is nice. :) -Paul > Or is the 8086 the only mainstream architecture for which the > applications are easily available and for the others, you need to build > the apps yourself ? > > Would it be fair to say that Linux on IA64 has a greater breath of > pre-built applications than Windows on IA64 ? or are they roughly the > same ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:58:48 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: On 07/25/07 21:05, Paul Raulerson wrote: [snip] > > The vast majority of our daily production work (at my day job!) runs under > zLinux on a mainframe- you don't get much more incompatible with x86 > instructions than on a zSeries machine. Yet we have little or no trouble > finding and getting the software we need anytime we need it. I did have a > bit of a cussed time building a radius server because of processor > differences, but it was only the work of 30 minutes or so to fix and build > anyway. > > While I love Unix and Linux, this is exactly what I want to avoid porting to > them; you have to support a plethora of different platforms, or else you > have to release the code and let the users support themselves. Debian. It's an extremely cross-platform distro. 95% of all packages (and there are *lots* of them!) build on all platforms, from ARM to z/Series, including Alpha, SPARC, MIPS, x86, x86-64 & POWER/PPC. > OpenVMS is nice. :) COBOL is nicer. If it runs in AccuCOBOL, it runs in AccuCOBOL on any platform. Costs a lot, though... :( -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:28:02 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: <943bb$46a81519$cef8887a$1204@TEKSAVVY.COM> Paul Raulerson wrote: > Virtually anything you want to take the trouble to build is available out > there for any Linux platform. Vendors sometimes do not realize that to > support their product under Linux, they really need to port it to x86 32 > bit, x86 64 bit, Power, and so forth. But that is the crux of the equation. There is a growing number of commercial and/or shrinkwrapped applications on Linux. Are those truly available on the variety of platforms Linux runs on ? Does choosing to run Linux on a non-8086 platform really implies that you are accepting that you'll have to compile/build all your apps from source and that you may not have access to prebuilt shrinkwrapped software ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:03:39 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: <000001c7cf42$54a7e930$fdf7bb90$@com> I guess I wasn't clear. :) The answer is no, you don't have to. SuSE for example, is available on x86, AMD64,, Intel EMT64, Itanium, IBM Power, zSeries, and s/390. That means all the normal applications are compiled for an included with it as well. Many many third party apps are available, including as has been pointed out, Oracle, DB2, SAP, and others. Here for example, is a list of -> developer <- third party products for zSeries Linux; and that is if anything, the last platform most Linux vendors support. The list is quite extensive, and far from all inclusive. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/solutions/isv/linuxproduct.html -Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:28 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) > > Paul Raulerson wrote: > > Virtually anything you want to take the trouble to build is available > out > > there for any Linux platform. Vendors sometimes do not realize that > to > > support their product under Linux, they really need to port it to x86 > 32 > > bit, x86 64 bit, Power, and so forth. > > But that is the crux of the equation. There is a growing number of > commercial and/or shrinkwrapped applications on Linux. Are those truly > available on the variety of platforms Linux runs on ? > > Does choosing to run Linux on a non-8086 platform really implies that > you are accepting that you'll have to compile/build all your apps from > source and that you may not have access to prebuilt shrinkwrapped > software ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:08:00 -0000 From: Galen Subject: Looking for a certain free mms- or make-like utility Message-ID: <1184936880.750177.39040@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com> I believe that within the last month I saw a posting here or on openvms.org for a free build utility somewhat similar to mms or make. Its distinguishing feature is that it can figure out dependencies for itself. (MMS can also do that but apparently not as well.) The program's name was not very similar to MMS or make except that it was also pretty short--maybe only four characters (which of course narrows it down to a mre few million filenames :-) I've checked a lot of the older VMS freeware sites without any luck, and I can't do a specific enough search for Google to be very helpful. I even went back through the last week's Firefox browser history without spotting anything. I know this is a terribly vague description but maybe someone else will have seen something like this in the last month or so and can point me at it. Thanks, Galen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:01:08 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Looking for a certain free mms- or make-like utility Message-ID: <46A0EA54.4010002@comcast.net> Galen wrote: > I believe that within the last month I saw a posting here or on > openvms.org for a free build utility somewhat similar to mms or make. > Its distinguishing feature is that it can figure out dependencies for > itself. (MMS can also do that but apparently not as well.) The > program's name was not very similar to MMS or make except that it was > also pretty short--maybe only four characters (which of course narrows > it down to a mre few million filenames :-) > > I've checked a lot of the older VMS freeware sites without any luck, > and I can't do a specific enough search for Google to be very helpful. > > I even went back through the last week's Firefox browser history > without spotting anything. > > I know this is a terribly vague description but maybe someone else > will have seen something like this in the last month or so and can > point me at it. > > Thanks, > > Galen > I can offer you a copy of "gvgmake"; a slightly fixed up copy of what Tony Ivanov posted to c.o.v. about fifteen years ago. There's also an MMS look-alike written by a well known contributor of years gone by: Matt Madison. AFAIK neither of the above can "figure out dependencies". There may be various Gnu software that will do such but I'm not familiar with it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:34:01 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: In article <46A00864.2090803@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >{...snip...} >paying additional royalties for the privilege. Neither can you >broadcast it over the radio waves or the internet without paying a >royalty therefore. Therein, you are wrong. Well, not wrong but you don't know that there is a great disparity in the royalty structure. That has been the major premise of the IREA (Internet Radio Equity Act). Internet broadcasters are paying higher royalty rates already than do the AM/FM and satellite radio broadcasters. >Same deal with software! You can't legally use VMS without a license of >some sort any more than you can use Windows without such a license; that >the license normally is included in the purchase price of your PC >doesn't mean that there isn't one. > >If you write and sell software for a living, don't you expect to be >paid? In some cases, you can't possess it with out license. Here's a typical example: http://tmesis.com/dllic.html > If you sold one copy to me and I made two copies for two friends >without any additional payment, would you feel you had been ripped off? > If those two friends each made two copies for for two of their >friends. . . .? I have made "sampler" CDs for friends. I burn low quality MP3s and never any from artists that I DO NOT know personally. The RIAA had tried to thwart CD copying in the beginning by requiring CD copiers to use special media. This was quickly proved a blunder when soft- ware was released to rip and burn on computers using standard data CDRs. Artists *DO* deserve to get paid for their artisitc output. They aren't getting it from the fees collected by the RIAA. There is nothing in this effort that make me believe it is anything more then an attempt to control broadcast content like the large commer- cial concerns have done with regular over-the-air broadcast radio. It deeply concerns me too that if they get away with forcing their will on this aspect of the internet, what is next??? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:30:13 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei wrote: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > This one is of a personal nature/interest and, IMHO, should concern all. > > > > http://tmesis.com/pesky_fly.html > > > > Mr Vaxman, may I ask if you run your own internet radio station, and if > so, are we allowed to listen to it ? > > Some radio stations now prohibit listeners from oustide the USA due in > part to that current ugliness with regards to royalties. Picking various stations at random from the selection offered by iTunes, I haven't noticed this. > > They are blaming poor sales on MP3s and refusing to admit that they have > been promopting the wrong type of noise for years and that this is the > real reason people aren't interested in their product anymore. I haven't bought a single CD since 2001 as the result of hearing something new (to me) on mainstream radio. Before that, I would do so regularly. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:07:19 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: <46A0EBC7.5030100@comcast.net> AEF wrote: > On Jul 20, 7:34 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>In article <46A00864.2090...@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> >> >>>{...snip...} >>>paying additional royalties for the privilege. Neither can you >>>broadcast it over the radio waves or the internet without paying a >>>royalty therefore. >> >>Therein, you are wrong. Well, not wrong but you don't know that there >>is a great disparity in the royalty structure. That has been the major >>premise of the IREA (Internet Radio Equity Act). Internet broadcasters >>are paying higher royalty rates already than do the AM/FM and satellite >>radio broadcasters. >> >> >>>Same deal with software! You can't legally use VMS without a license of >>>some sort any more than you can use Windows without such a license; that >>>the license normally is included in the purchase price of your PC >>>doesn't mean that there isn't one. >> >>>If you write and sell software for a living, don't you expect to be >>>paid? >> >>In some cases, you can't possess it with out license. >> >>Here's a typical example:http://tmesis.com/dllic.html >> >> >>> If you sold one copy to me and I made two copies for two friends >>>without any additional payment, would you feel you had been ripped off? >>> If those two friends each made two copies for for two of their >>>friends. . . .? >> >>I have made "sampler" CDs for friends. I burn low quality MP3s and >>never any from artists that I DO NOT know personally. The RIAA had >>tried to thwart CD copying in the beginning by requiring CD copiers >>to use special media. This was quickly proved a blunder when soft- >>ware was released to rip and burn on computers using standard data >>CDRs. Artists *DO* deserve to get paid for their artisitc output. >>They aren't getting it from the fees collected by the RIAA. There >>is nothing in this effort that make me believe it is anything more >>then an attempt to control broadcast content like the large commer- >>cial concerns have done with regular over-the-air broadcast radio. >> >>It deeply concerns me too that if they get away with forcing their >>will on this aspect of the internet, what is next??? >> >>-- >>VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >> >>http://tmesis.com/drat.html > > > I'm with VAXMAN on this. The recording industry sucks donkey kong. > > AEF > IMHO, the product sucks too! I buy an occasional classical CD but the "popular" stuff just hurts my ears! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:45:03 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: <56505$46a0f4eb$cef8887a$13641@TEKSAVVY.COM> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > I buy an occasional classical CD but the "popular" stuff just hurts my ears! > The music industry suffers the same fate as VMS. The "owners" have decided that people like rap noises and dont want to push new "music" because they have declared "music" to be "legacy" and don't think there is a future in it. Note that there was a similar period in the 1970s called "DISCO". But back then, the industry self-corrected fairly quickly when record sales went down because they had no other excuse. Now, they are blaming MP3s instead of realising that they are not producing any new music. Another aspect, at least in canada, is that FM radio stations have less and less music content (except stations playing old music). Perhaps they are saving money by playing less music. But as a result, people don't listen to radio anymore. So even if the record industry were to start to sign up artists that produce "MUSIC", it would be rather hard to sell that music if people don't listen to radio anymore and thus won't know that the radio industry has begun to allow "MUSIC" again. And look at the Itunes radio playlists: is there a category for 2000 ? There are some for 60s, 70s, 80s, a couple for 90s, but none for 2000s. Yet, we are 7 years into this decade. Usually, each summer has 2 or 3 massive radio hits that end up defining that summer and whenever you hear those songs later on, you can recall which summer you had heard it in. Since the late 1990s, there haven't been that many such hits. In the past, teenage girls in Toronto would skip school and amas on the street in front of the Much Music studios whenever some boy band was scheduled to make an appearance. The police had to close the streets around that downtown complex because there were so many overly excited up-down-jumping teenage girls. This hasn't happened in over a decade now. If the record companies wereb't hurting, I would simply say that I am of a different generation, and kids today listen to "noise", something common to so many generations in recent times. But what are kids listening to today ? Often, they listen to 1970s music !!!!!! And in recent times, a lot of the new songs are just rapified versions of originals in the 1970s and 1980s. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:24:12 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: In article <56505$46a0f4eb$cef8887a$13641@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > >Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> I buy an occasional classical CD but the "popular" stuff just hurts my ears! >> > >The music industry suffers the same fate as VMS. The "owners" have >decided that people like rap noises and dont want to push new "music" >because they have declared "music" to be "legacy" and don't think there >is a future in it. > >Note that there was a similar period in the 1970s called "DISCO". But >back then, the industry self-corrected fairly quickly when record sales >went down because they had no other excuse. Now, they are blaming MP3s >instead of realising that they are not producing any new music. There is plenty of NEW music being created. It's just not being heard. There's a large internet radio presence and a large internet radio aud- ience where new music can be heard; however, the RIAA doesn't like this lack of control over the content. >Another aspect, at least in canada, is that FM radio stations have less >and less music content (except stations playing old music). Perhaps they >are saving money by playing less music. But as a result, people don't >listen to radio anymore. So even if the record industry were to start to >sign up artists that produce "MUSIC", it would be rather hard to sell >that music if people don't listen to radio anymore and thus won't know >that the radio industry has begun to allow "MUSIC" again. Again, the indie labels are making money. They are making money because they are giving people what they want -- an alternative to the cRAP that has permeated the traditional record industry. >If the record companies wereb't hurting, I would simply say that I am of >a different generation, and kids today listen to "noise", something >common to so many generations in recent times. But what are kids >listening to today ? Often, they listen to 1970s music !!!!!! My kid has been going through my music collection. He's also gone to many more concerts (usually with my wife and myself) than I did when I was his same age. There are kids out looking for something to listen to; sadly, the commecial radio pumps their heads full of cRAP. >And in recent times, a lot of the new songs are just rapified versions >of originals in the 1970s and 1980s. I've heard a couple of them... OMG! Absolutely horrible! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 2007 16:04:39 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: In article <46A11228.7010308@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > I've often thought that each generation's music is intended to gross out > the previous generation! > > It has been many years since I've heard any "popular" music that I > wanted to hear more than once. There's damned little that I've wanted > to hear even once! I haven't been able to listen to rap and consider it music, just talking with music in the background. Although there have been changes of labels like disco and punk, I haven't heard anything new since Jimmy Hendrix. I got tired of hearing rehashes of the same old thing some time in the 70s. About a decade ago a young friend told me we "didn't have Jon Bovi". I haven't heard him do anything that wasn't done before. Popular music just hasn't changed since the early 70s like it did in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:10:01 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > >In article <%vNni.38$Zi.11@newsfe12.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> This one is of a personal nature/interest and, IMHO, should concern all. >> >> http://tmesis.com/pesky_fly.html >> > > Are you trying to increase the technical content of this forum? > > 8-) At least it's somewhat computer related! Beats the piss outta the right wing religious and the left wing agenda drivel that has been clogging my newsreader. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:00:11 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:32:44 -0700, John Smith wrote: > > > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article <77884$469ff84f$cef8887a$30474@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei > >> writes: > >>> > >>> > >>> Mr Vaxman, don't feel singled out. > >>> > >>> The RIAA equivalent in Canada is now going after HAIRDRESSERS ! yes, > >>> they want them to pay royalties for playing music in the hair > >>> dressing salons. > >> > >> I don't own the radio station I listen to... a guy in San Diego does. > >> Listeners have suggested that the server be moved to another country. > >> The problem is that this is happening everywhere... the US, the UK, > >> you say in Canada... unless the servers are moved to Antarctica, the > >> probability of getting away from somebody wanting to impose usurious > >> fees is close to nil. At least, in Antarctica the process cooling is > >> cheaper! :D I don't know about internet connectivity and I'd wager a > >> good bet that the latency would be pretty abysmal. > > > > > > Maybe there's a past business model to learn from: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand > > > What a fun read. Something which isn't mentioned there is that there was opposition to them setting up a secure data centre there, at the government level. I don't recall the details, but I do remember a reports of a US consultant on his way there being stopped at UK immigration/customs. At the end of the day, unless they were going to use satellite communications, they were going to be at the mercy of the governments either side of the English Channel who could ultimately disconnect their cables. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:07:32 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <56505$46a0f4eb$cef8887a$13641@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > >> >>Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >>>I buy an occasional classical CD but the "popular" stuff just hurts my ears! >>> >> >>The music industry suffers the same fate as VMS. The "owners" have >>decided that people like rap noises and dont want to push new "music" >>because they have declared "music" to be "legacy" and don't think there >>is a future in it. >> >>Note that there was a similar period in the 1970s called "DISCO". But >>back then, the industry self-corrected fairly quickly when record sales >>went down because they had no other excuse. Now, they are blaming MP3s >>instead of realising that they are not producing any new music. > > > There is plenty of NEW music being created. It's just not being heard. > There's a large internet radio presence and a large internet radio aud- > ience where new music can be heard; however, the RIAA doesn't like this > lack of control over the content. > > > > >>Another aspect, at least in canada, is that FM radio stations have less >>and less music content (except stations playing old music). Perhaps they >>are saving money by playing less music. But as a result, people don't >>listen to radio anymore. So even if the record industry were to start to >>sign up artists that produce "MUSIC", it would be rather hard to sell >>that music if people don't listen to radio anymore and thus won't know >>that the radio industry has begun to allow "MUSIC" again. > > > Again, the indie labels are making money. They are making money because > they are giving people what they want -- an alternative to the cRAP that > has permeated the traditional record industry. > > > > >>If the record companies wereb't hurting, I would simply say that I am of >>a different generation, and kids today listen to "noise", something >>common to so many generations in recent times. But what are kids >>listening to today ? Often, they listen to 1970s music !!!!!! > > > My kid has been going through my music collection. He's also gone to > many more concerts (usually with my wife and myself) than I did when I > was his same age. There are kids out looking for something to listen > to; sadly, the commecial radio pumps their heads full of cRAP. > > > > >>And in recent times, a lot of the new songs are just rapified versions >>of originals in the 1970s and 1980s. > > > I've heard a couple of them... OMG! Absolutely horrible! > I did like the rappified version of Randy Newman's "It's a Jungle Out There" on the most recent episode of Monk, but that was a novelty item. I'm not sure I would like it anymore if I heard it 10 times in one week. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:43:10 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: OT: Mini Vans Message-ID: In article <469F6D4C.70603@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > If you had the perp's name and address, what could you do? Odds are > that he's in Peking or Singapore or is relaying through a zombie > somewhere. . . . This sort of shit hits the bit-bucket at my router and > I simply ignore it. From another angle, it could be a PC within your network that has a terminal emulator pointing at the wrong system. Ditto for an SFTP job etc. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:03:13 GMT From: Roger Ivie Subject: Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Message-ID: On 2007-07-19, Michael Moroney wrote: > > Which LK keyboards (and any clones) have the "proper" layout and the PC > connector, or a USB connector, other than the LK461, LK46W and LK462? > I need to replace an LK461 soon. I'm using an LK450-AA that a friend gave me. It has the PS/2 connector. -- roger ivie rivie@ridgenet.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:15:50 -0700 From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: queue manager and OpenVMS version dependencies Message-ID: <1185102950.810151.305720@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> VAXman, the QUEUE_MANAGER process is only allowed to run on ONE node at a time, when sharing the queue manager database between multiple nodes within a cluster. You coordiate access to the queue manager database by using the SAME QMAN$MASTER file for all nodes sharing the queue manager database (define a QMAN$MASTER logical in SYLOGICALS.COM and MOUNT the disk this file resides on). Then - just once - issue a START/QUE/MANA/ ON=(node1,node2)/NEW dev:[dir], where dev:[dir] specifies the shared disk and directory where to put the queue manager database. >From then on, JOB_CONTROL will take care of starting the QUEUE_MANAGER process during boot (or failover). Volker. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:12 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: queue manager and OpenVMS version dependencies Message-ID: In article <1185102950.810151.305720@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Volker Halle writes: > > >VAXman, > >the QUEUE_MANAGER process is only allowed to run on ONE node at a >time, when sharing the queue manager database between multiple nodes >within a cluster. > >You coordiate access to the queue manager database by using the SAME >QMAN$MASTER file for all nodes sharing the queue manager database >(define a QMAN$MASTER logical in SYLOGICALS.COM and MOUNT the disk >this file resides on). Then - just once - issue a START/QUE/MANA/ >ON=(node1,node2)/NEW dev:[dir], where dev:[dir] specifies the shared >disk and directory where to put the queue manager database. Not... turned out to be a queue on the first node that was stuck in a perpetual starting state. The queue was no longered needed so it was deleted. I now have the queue manager started on both nodes. :D -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:08:54 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: Re: queue manager and OpenVMS version dependencies Message-ID: <1185131334.347341.224720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1185102950.810151.305...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Volker Halle writes: > > > > >VAXman, > > >the QUEUE_MANAGER process is only allowed to run on ONE node at a > >time, when sharing the queue manager database between multiple nodes > >within a cluster. > > >You coordiate access to the queue manager database by using the SAME > >QMAN$MASTER file for all nodes sharing the queue manager database > >(define a QMAN$MASTER logical in SYLOGICALS.COM and MOUNT the disk > >this file resides on). Then - just once - issue a START/QUE/MANA/ > >ON=(node1,node2)/NEW dev:[dir], where dev:[dir] specifies the shared > >disk and directory where to put the queue manager database. > > Not... turned out to be a queue on the first node that was stuck in a > perpetual starting state. The queue was no longered needed so it was > deleted. I now have the queue manager started on both nodes. :D > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html isn't it possible to run multiple queue manager on a cluster, each with its own name ? Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:42:12 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: queue manager and OpenVMS version dependencies Message-ID: In article <1185131334.347341.224720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, Pierre writes: > > >On Jul 22, 7:34 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <1185102950.810151.305...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Volker Halle writes: >> >> >> >> >VAXman, >> >> >the QUEUE_MANAGER process is only allowed to run on ONE node at a >> >time, when sharing the queue manager database between multiple nodes >> >within a cluster. >> >> >You coordiate access to the queue manager database by using the SAME >> >QMAN$MASTER file for all nodes sharing the queue manager database >> >(define a QMAN$MASTER logical in SYLOGICALS.COM and MOUNT the disk >> >this file resides on). Then - just once - issue a START/QUE/MANA/ >> >ON=(node1,node2)/NEW dev:[dir], where dev:[dir] specifies the shared >> >disk and directory where to put the queue manager database. >> >> Not... turned out to be a queue on the first node that was stuck in a >> perpetual starting state. The queue was no longered needed so it was >> deleted. I now have the queue manager started on both nodes. :D >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >> >> http://tmesis.com/drat.html > > >isn't it possible to run multiple queue manager on a cluster, each >with its own name ? Yes... but this is a cluster. The production node has most (all) of the queues. The other node is a development/test node which uses the produc- tion node's queues. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:13:16 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: symlink to another device Message-ID: <46A2228C.E97FD2FE@spam.comcast.net> Pierre wrote: > > I must be dumb :( I defined the POSIX root but I can not find mnt and > umnt commands... > are they automatically installed with 8.3 or do need to put some > recent GNV too ? I thought it was mount and u[n]mount... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:55:01 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , "Richard Brodie" wrote: > wrote in message > news:2Bnni.12444$xe1.3929@newsfe12.lga... > > > This is TCPIP services ssh, BTW. If anybody has a quick and dirty to get > > the username under attack, I'd appreciate it. > > I just use a script to summarize and archive the logs: > > search TCPIP$SSH_HOME:TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;* "warning" > would do as a quick and dirty hack, I guess. Yes, but SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SSH_RUN.COM has this little gem in it: $ logsav = 2 * f$getsyi("cluster_nodes") + 5 followed by: $ purge /noconfirm/nolog/keep='logsav' 'lognam' That's only 7 on my standalone Alpha. I've just hard-coded a higher value into mine - I'll have to remember that on the next upgrade. However, a USER record is written to the accounting file. With the data I have, it shows valid users with a login failure, but returns a NO SUCH USER event for invalid users, without saying what that username was. $ acc/type=user/user=tcpip$ssh /full/output=some.file -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:13:04 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: <469e2c9e$0$27829$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> Christoph Gartmann wrote: > In article <2Bnni.12444$xe1.3929@newsfe12.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> More ssh attacks. They are mostly a nuisance. However, logs full of >> OPCOM messages like this >> >> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 18-JUL-2007 08:05:42.85 %%%%%%%%%%% >> Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on ****** >> Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on ******, system id: 1234 >> Auditable event: Network login >> Event time: 18-JUL-2007 08:05:42.85 >> PID: 20200D5E >> Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG3304 >> Username: TCPIP$SSH >> Process owner: [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$SSH] >> Image name: DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXE >> Remote node id: 11223344 (aa.bbb) >> Remote node fullname: aa.bb.cc.dd >> Remote username: TCPIP$SSH >> Posix UID: -2 >> Posix GID: -2 (%XFFFFFFFE) > [...] >> would be much more useful if ONE of the above two logged messages would >> include the username the hacker is trying to use for access. I do not >> see it (the username under attack) in any of the SSH log files either. >> >> This is TCPIP services ssh, BTW. If anybody has a quick and dirty to get >> the username under attack, I'd appreciate it. HP, if you are listening, >> this would be a nice feature if it doesn't already exist (I didn't see a >> way get it when I perused the ssh doc). > > With Multinet I get: > > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on MPI5, system id: > 1029 > Auditable event: Network login failure > Event time: 18-JUL-2007 08:02:41.33 > PID: 2020392F > Process name: SSHD 0474 > Username: irc > Remote nodename: 83.170.73.89 > Remote node id: 1497999955 > Remote username: SSH:IRC > Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user > > But why would you like to know the user-ID? The IP-address from where the > attack occurs is more interesting. > > Regards, > Christoph Gartmann How about changing the ssh port number? When I changed it, I also got rid of the attackers. Have looked at the output of the command: $ show intrusion It shows usually the username which is the goal for the attack. Often the script attackers try usernames which aren't used on a VMS platform, like root, administrator, etc. Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:11:24 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article <2Bnni.12444$xe1.3929@newsfe12.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > This is TCPIP services ssh, BTW. If anybody has a quick and dirty to get > the username under attack, I'd appreciate it. What quicker and dirtier than? $ define /system tcpip$ssh_server_debug 1 That will generate a large logfile, >10,000 records in may test, but gives you the username. It's also somewhat slow to get to the password prompt :-) Found by poking around in SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SSH_RUN.COM -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 2007 13:16:01 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > > You can tell a lot about the type of attack by looking at the usernames > being attempted. And one could learn even a lot more if we could see the > passwords being attempted. I'll second that. Some of the "kiddie scripts" are used by our security folks to scan systems. It's nice to be able to tell both by IP that it was one of our designated scanning systems and which tool they used. nessus has become a "standard" for security folks. It's knowledge of VMS, VXT, ... other things DEC, is quite poor. It's never heard of Multinet vs. TCPWare vs. TCPIP Services ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:19:44 -0500 From: bradhamilton@comcast.net (Brad Hamilton) Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: [...] >I >am just curious, as others have pointed out, whether or not it is a legit >attack or some moron using Administrator or root. > Most of the ssh "attacks" that I "suffer" seem to come from folks attempting to login as "SSH" (TCPware 5-7.2 on Alpha VMS 8.3); however, I'm confident enough that none of them will "break-in", and so I leave the normal SSH port "open", as kind of a "poor man's Teergrube". :-) The more time the b****rds spend trying to break into my system, the less time they have to break into some other poor schmuck's system. A public service, I call it. :-) [...] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:50:31 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com > (Michael Moroney) writes: > > > > > >"P. Sture" writes: > > > >>In article <469eb405@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Jim Duff > >>wrote: > > > >>> I'm unaware of any documented ways to perform these actions under > >>> program control. If you have access to the source listings however... > >>> > > > >>I've just scanned the V8.3 System Services manual, but didn't find > >>anything obvious. > > > >I have since been told that audit server commands such as SET AUDIT/LISTEN > >are implemented as mailbox messages to a different audit server mailbox. > > I've always hated this ill-conceived interface. If the listener program > dies and the listener mailbox is still defined, the AUDIT_SERVER will con- > tinue to write to the mailbox until it fills; then, all hell breaks loose. In my experience all hell might break loose on the phones. The system however tends to grind to a halt. If you aren't already logged on somewhere with enough privilege, it's crash the system time :-( -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:02:12 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: ucx$c_full_duplex_close and Multinet BG: driver dilema Message-ID: Hi, Alpha VMS 7.3-1 and Multinet 5.0 and the $QIO interface to the BG: driver. When I try to set the Socket Option ucx$c_full_duplex_close (on its own, or in the same call to create the socket) I get SS$_PROTOCOL returned. This option is obviously available in UCX, and the TCPWare docs say it's been supported for the last ten years but somehow it's never been included with Multinet. Is that correct? Is there a version later than 5.0 that supports it? I'm now having to code around the problem (by trying for FDC and if I get ss$_protocol then drop the option) but full_duplex_close is a pretty damned useful piece of functionality and I'm really curious as to the reasons behind the lack of support or whether there are any plans to include it in a future version? Cheers Richard Maher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:43:20 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: ucx$c_full_duplex_close and Multinet BG: driver dilema Message-ID: <46A22998.AA9FBC45@spam.comcast.net> Richard Maher wrote: > > Hi, > > Alpha VMS 7.3-1 and Multinet 5.0 and the $QIO interface to the BG: driver. > > When I try to set the Socket Option ucx$c_full_duplex_close (on its own, or > in the same call to create the socket) I get SS$_PROTOCOL returned. > > This option is obviously available in UCX, and the TCPWare docs say it's > been supported for the last ten years but somehow it's never been included > with Multinet. Is that correct? Is there a version later than 5.0 that > supports it? > > I'm now having to code around the problem (by trying for FDC and if I get > ss$_protocol then drop the option) but full_duplex_close is a pretty damned > useful piece of functionality and I'm really curious as to the reasons > behind the lack of support or whether there are any plans to include it in a > future version? I've cross-posted to the Multinet newsgroup. Perhaps someone from PSC will respond. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:02:39 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: ucx$c_full_duplex_close and Multinet BG: driver dilema Message-ID: > I've cross-posted to the Multinet newsgroup. Perhaps someone from PSC will > respond. Thanks David, I've been told the issue still exists in 5.1 and I couldn't find any SO_FULL_DUPLEX in the Multinet Docs (That seem to have all the other SO_NODELAY etc) so I'm resigned to making the code changes, but you never know something might pop-up. Cheers Richard Maher "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:46A22998.AA9FBC45@spam.comcast.net... > Richard Maher wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Alpha VMS 7.3-1 and Multinet 5.0 and the $QIO interface to the BG: driver. > > > > When I try to set the Socket Option ucx$c_full_duplex_close (on its own, or > > in the same call to create the socket) I get SS$_PROTOCOL returned. > > > > This option is obviously available in UCX, and the TCPWare docs say it's > > been supported for the last ten years but somehow it's never been included > > with Multinet. Is that correct? Is there a version later than 5.0 that > > supports it? > > > > I'm now having to code around the problem (by trying for FDC and if I get > > ss$_protocol then drop the option) but full_duplex_close is a pretty damned > > useful piece of functionality and I'm really curious as to the reasons > > behind the lack of support or whether there are any plans to include it in a > > future version? > > I've cross-posted to the Multinet newsgroup. Perhaps someone from PSC will > respond. > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:52:41 +0200 From: Martin Krischik Subject: Re: VAX in walled-in by accident Message-ID: <1229135.0e6K7ylnKu@linux1.krischik.com> Tom Linden wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:05:32 -0700, Stanley F. Quayle > wrote: > >> We've heard this story over the years. I have an eyewitness. Check >> out my blog at: >> >> http://www.stanq.com/blog/ > Makes you want to hear more. Can you flesh out the story, how long was it > walled up, what was it running, how was it serving the clients, > connections, etc. Obviously the applications were written in PL/I, since > it was still running:-) 1998 - obviously DecAda ;-) ! Martin -- mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:01:21 -0400 From: "Ken Farmer" Subject: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Message-ID: <46a7e451$0$31298$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> This was posted on OpenVMS.org July 17th. --------------------------------------- VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 In this episode, we'll cover some of the news highlights from the last two months since the last update, and give you some of the audio recorded by Marty during the partner roundhouse at the VMS Bootcamp. Links for the news items: # To download the VMS Technical journal V10: http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/journal # The whitepaper from Techwise "Quantifying the Total Cost of Ownership for Entry-Level and Mid-Range Server Clusters" is available from the HP OpenVMS Whitepaper web page # To see the exploding datacentre video go to: http://www.hp.com/go/disasterproof # For more about the VT510 replacement terminals and new disk drives then visit the Nemonix Engineering website # Read about OpenVMS v8.3 support for HP BladeSystems c-Class Integrity Blade (BL860c) on the OpenVMS on Blades web site # Go the the HP CIFS field test web site to download the kit and try it out today. # To obtain your free copy of Tier3 non-commercial, right-to-use license simply e-mail your request, including your preference for a VAX or Alpha kit, to Tier3(at)aapt.net.au. # Java Remote Desktop Protocol Client (JavaRDP) for OpenVMS is available for fownload from Thierry Uso Free VMS Web site # Download cURL for VMS from: http://curl.haxx.se/download.html#VMS # Read further information Artisic Style and download the software from the homepage on sourceforge. Questions concerning the OpenVMS port can be directed to Jim Duff via the contact page on his website: http://www.eight-cubed.com # Mercurial 0.9.4 is available for download at: http://selenic.com/mercurial/release # GnuPG Version 1.2-4 for OpenVMS AlphaServer systems and Integrity servers is now available from the GnuPG for OpenVMS home page # Xpdf 3.02 PCSI packages available for OpenVMS/Alpha at: http://frank.harvard.edu/~coldwell/vms/xpdf.html # For more on the OpenVMS advanced technical bootcamp visit the website: http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/bootcamp Companies mentioned in the recording from the bootcamp partner roundhouse * trendsthatmatter * Cipersoft Inc * Quayle Consulting Inc. * Integrated Computer Solutions (ICS) * LJK Software * Process Software Inc * BRUDEN OSSG * Nemoenix Engineering __________________________________________________________________ Feedback always welcome via: http://www.openvms.org/feedback We'd like to thank all the contributers to this podcast. Special thanks to Jeff Palmer and Greg Freeman of the band Checksum for letting VAU use cuts from their CD Grey Ghost royalty free. Ken __________________________________ Kenneth R. Farmer < 336-736-7376 www.OpenVMS.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:02:01 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Message-ID: Ken Farmer wrote: > Special thanks to Jeff Palmer and Greg Freeman of the band Checksum for > letting VAU use cuts from their CD Grey Ghost royalty free. Does this mean that the RIAA will not attempt to sue anyone listening to this music ? Or would they complain that since they were not involved in this transaction, the later cannot possibly be legitimate and hence it would be justified in sending its laywer hounds after listeners ? :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:57:54 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Message-ID: <46A80DB2.4050302@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Ken Farmer wrote: > >> Special thanks to Jeff Palmer and Greg Freeman of the band Checksum >> for letting VAU use cuts from their CD Grey Ghost royalty free. > > > Does this mean that the RIAA will not attempt to sue anyone listening to > this music ? Or would they complain that since they were not involved in > this transaction, the later cannot possibly be legitimate and hence it > would be justified in sending its laywer hounds after listeners ? > > :-) :-) :-) It depends on who OWNS the Copyright or, perhaps, who has been granted a license to use the Copyrighted material. If Jeff and Greg own the rights or have authority to act for those who do, the RIAA has nothing to say about it! I'm hardly an expert but I believe that RIAA is "Recording Industry Artists Association" and that it manages copyright licensing on behalf of its members. If a radio station wants to play a copyrighted selection, they might go to the RIAA for permission to play it. They would pay a royalty for each time it was played on the air. The RIAA would collect a percentage for its services and pay the balance to the artists. The RIAA does not have exclusive rights in this field. I just checked a small sample and found "(C) Angel Records" on some of my recordings. If I were a broadcaster and wanted to broadcast such a recording I would need permission from Angel and would almost certainly have to pay for the privilege, just as I would if the RIAA held, or managed, the copyright. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:40:45 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: what happened to TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE? Message-ID: HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.6 Not found in SYS$LIBRARY. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:17:39 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: what happened to TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE? Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.6 >> >> Not found in SYS$LIBRARY. >> > >> $ pipe ana/image sys$system:TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXE;1 | search sys$input global >> Global Symbol Table & Debug Symbol Table Information >> global symbol table VBN: 0, record count: 0 >> global section major id: %X'04', minor id: %X'000000' >> global section name: "TCPIP$SMTP_MAILSHR_001" >> global section major id: %X'0C', minor id: %X'000002' >> global section name: "TCPIP$ACCESS_SHR_001" >> global section major id: %X'01', minor id: %X'000001' >> global section name: "DECC$SHR_001" >> global section major id: %X'01', minor id: %X'000005' >> global section name: "CMA$TIS_SHR_001" >> global section major id: %X'01', minor id: %X'000003' >> global section name: "LIBOTS_001" >> global section major id: %X'2E', minor id: %X'847BD9' >> global section name: "SYS$PUBLIC_VECTORS_001" > > >In the TCPIP$SMTP_MAILSHR.EXE, there is: > >7) Universal Symbol Specification (EGSD$C_SYMG) > symbol flags: > symbol vector entry (procedure) > symbol: "TCPIP$SMTP_SEND_FROM_FILE" Sorry... too many things going on here... I though it was a separate image. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:53:43 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Message-ID: <1185396823.058113.41750@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Jul 23, 11:17 am, Slor wrote: > Despite all prevention efforts, Rich Jordan wrote innews:1184860202.907167.195300@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: > > > On Jul 18, 12:26 pm, Slor wrote: > >> Thanks guys for all the feedback. > > >> -- > >> Jameshttp://www.e-host-direct.com > >> Reliable web hosting from $12/year. > > > James, > > if you don't mind saying, are you in the US? > > > Rich > > Yep, I'm in the US. > > -- > Jameshttp://www.e-host-direct.com > Reliable web hosting from $12/year. James, the email address for you that shows up in google groups is invalid. Send me an email please; I have a small memory kit you can have. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:45:32 -0500 From: Slor Subject: Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Message-ID: Despite all prevention efforts, Rich Jordan wrote in news:1185396823.058113.41750@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com: > James, > the email address for you that shows up in google groups is > invalid. Send me an email please; I have a small memory kit you can > have. > Sent! -- James http://www.e-host-direct.com Reliable web hosting from $12/year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:06:45 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Message-ID: <46a47f98$0$16391$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Neil Rieck" wrote in message news:469d1af6$0$10194$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > What's up with Google - Groups today (07.07.17) ??? > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms > It's now been unavailable for more than 6 hours. > > Neil Rieck > Does anyone know what is going on at Google-Groups ? Yesterday (Sunday 2007-07-22) I posted some stuff from TeraNews.com but today (Monday 2007-07-23) I noticed that the stuff never made it into their archive. There was a time when I was telling all my friends to give up on old-school news-readers and only use Google-Groups but this thing has been limping along for 6 days now. NSR -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:51:20 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: XML for VMS Message-ID: In article <1184604387.066543.150350@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Pierre wrote: > On Jul 16, 3:49 pm, "P. Sture" wrote: > > In article <1184592195.706705.304...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > Pierre wrote: > > > On Jul 14, 9:37 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > > > > In article <1184363711.378066.42...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > you may use xmlstarlet. it's built upon libxml2 and libxsl. we use it > > > > > everyday from DCL to extract data from XML file and create DCL symbols > > > > > that can be used later on. > > > > > > Is this the one at ? > > > > > > If so, how does one build it for VMS? > > > > > > -- > > > > Paul Sture > > > > > it almost build out-of-the-box (you just have to write a build > > > procedure) > > > > > I can send you mine if you wish. > > > > Yes please. > > > > -- > > Paul Sture > > here is my build.com procedure > > $ set process/parse=extended > $ pipe del *.exe;* > nla0: 2> nla0: > $ pipe del *.obj;* > nla0: 2> nla0: > $ src = "xml," +- > "binsert," +- > "stack," +- > "strdup," +- > "trans," +- > "xml_C14N," +- > "xml_depyx," +- > "xml_edit," +- > "xml_elem," +- > "xml_escape," +- > "xml_format," +- > "xml_ls," +- > "xml_pyx," +- > "xml_select," +- > "xml_trans," +- > "xml_validate," +- > - > "snprintf" > $ > $ i=0 > $ loop: > $ source = f$elem(i,",",src) > $ if source.nes."," > $ then > $ options = "/names=(shortened,as_is)/float=IEEE/ > IEEE_mode=denorm_results/warning=(disable=NOTCONSTQUAL)" > $ options = options + "/NOOP/DEBUG" > $ command = "cc''options' ''source'" > $ write sys$output "$ ''command'" > $ 'command > $ i = i+1 > $ goto loop > $ endif > $ link: > $ command = "link/exe=xml.exe ''src',libxml_libs:libxslt.olb/ > lib,libexslt.olb/lib,libxml.olb/lib" > $ write sys$output "$ ''command'" > $ 'command > > > > you may notice an extra source (snprintf.c) in the build procedure > I took it from http://www.ijs.si/software/snprintf/ to be able to > built xmlstarlet as my C compiler complained on some missing > functions. I think that depend on the DECC version. > I don't remember the "why" of the /IEEE_mode=denorm_result options :( > > ask me if you encounter troubles, I'll try to answer. > Did you have a config.h to go with that? For comparison, the libxml2 package comes with its own config.vms. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.405 ************************