INFO-VAX Fri, 27 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 408 Contents: Re: 7.3-2 ISO? Advanced Server MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE Re: Advanced Server MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE RE: Advanced Server MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE Re: decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing Hung TCPware or what? Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Re: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Re: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Re: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Re: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: TCPware SMTP logging question Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:35:32 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: 7.3-2 ISO? Message-ID: In article <7dd80f60707261755w264b85e9o8309c82ddd9118e2@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" wrote: > On 7/26/07, ohiorocks@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > We currently have production systems (with valid licenses) running > > OpenVMS 7.3-2. We need to load an Alpha ES45 with this version to > > replace one of our old Alpha boxes... of course the media has up and > > walked away. > > If you are replacing a currently running system, why don't you just > make a backup copy of the system disk of the system you will be > replacing and restore it to the system disk of the new machine? After > restoring, you will probably have to boot the machine using a minimum > boot to fix any sysgen parameters and networking parameters. > We did this all the time when cloning systems for Y2K testing. It has the advantages a) you don't have to re-install layered software and patches b) all your system startup files etc are already in place See the VMS FAQ "HOW DO I CHANGE THE NODE NAME OF AN OPENVMS SYSTEM?" for a handy checklist. PS. As Bob points out, consider disconnecting the system from the network until you have made the changes to the node names (TCP/IP addresses too), and all references to them. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:38:49 -0700 From: Ed Wilts Subject: Advanced Server MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE Message-ID: <1185550729.518681.5920@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> According to the brief notes I have, the maximum value for MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE is 32k. We've been doing some work with the Cisco WAAS appliances and they appear to be requesting 64K packets and the reads are naturally failing. Is the limit for MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE still 32k or can it be increased in newer versions of Advanced Server? We're currently running ADVANCEDSERVER V7.3-A4 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2. Thanks, .../Ed mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD Mounds View, MN USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:42:51 -0700 From: DaveG Subject: Re: Advanced Server MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE Message-ID: <1185554571.572603.225800@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 27, 10:38 am, Ed Wilts wrote: > According to the brief notes I have, the maximum value for > MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE is 32k. We've been doing some work with the Cisco > WAAS appliances and they appear to be requesting 64K packets and the > reads are naturally failing. > > Is the limit for MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE still 32k or can it be increased in > newer versions of Advanced Server? We're currently running > ADVANCEDSERVER V7.3-A4 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2. > > Thanks, > .../Ed > > mailto:ewi...@ewilts.org > Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD > Mounds View, MN USA Reading through the AS v7.3B doc., I don't see where the MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE has been changed. It appears that it can be set to (only): 8K, or 16K, or 32K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:19:40 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Advanced Server MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Wilts [mailto:ed.wilts@gmail.com] > Sent: July 27, 2007 11:39 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Advanced Server MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE > > According to the brief notes I have, the maximum value for > MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE is 32k. We've been doing some work with the > Cisco > WAAS appliances and they appear to be requesting 64K packets and > the > reads are naturally failing. > > Is the limit for MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE still 32k or can it be increased > in > newer versions of Advanced Server? We're currently running > ADVANCEDSERVER V7.3-A4 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2. > > Thanks, > .../Ed > > mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org > Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD > Mounds View, MN USA Ed, Based on information I received, the limit is still 32768. Other links that may be of interest: http://tinyurl.com/2jreau (Ask the Wizard info) http://tinyurl.com/yv9tn9 (discussion) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/advserv73.html (Adv Server doc's) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:55:51 +0100 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: "jhjr4381" wrote in message news:1185469441.346923.215710@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > We have an old Vax system (4300) that is clustered with an Alpha (2100 > 4/200) yes, I know, also old as dirt. However, users can't log on to > the Vax directly, only by logging on the the Alpha and doing a 'set > host xxx' can they log onto the Vax. Reading this again, Bob is obviously correct. If you can currently use 'set host', then your Decnet must be OK. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2007 11:56:27 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: <46a9dd6b$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <3134f$46a95e90$cef8887a$27578@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >Another thing: make sure DECNET is started early in the boot, prior to >TCPIP services and LAT. DECNET changes the ethernet address of the >interface. No problem with LAT here. LATCP>CREATE LINK has /DECNET as default And DECnet Phase5 aka DECnet-OSI aka DECnet-Plus has also no problem starting after TCPIP, only DECnet-Phase4 -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:07:32 +0200 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: <46a9e006$0$235$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> jhjr4381 wrote: > We have an old Vax system (4300) that is clustered with an Alpha (2100 > 4/200) yes, I know, also old as dirt. However, users can't log on to > the Vax directly, only by logging on the the Alpha and doing a 'set > host xxx' can they log onto the Vax. So I'm assuming it's not attached > tothe network. So, reading this correctly, users CAN login to the vax with decnet, so decnet is working. What is NOT working? Do you expect that the users can login to the vax via tcpip? If true then the issue is with tcpip on the vax.... There does not appear to be any decnet issue. Jur. jhjr4381 wrote: > We have an old Vax system (4300) that is clustered with an Alpha (2100 > 4/200) yes, I know, also old as dirt. However, users can't log on to > the Vax directly, only by logging on the the Alpha and doing a 'set > host xxx' can they log onto the Vax. So I'm assuming it's not attached > tothe network. > If I do a show net: > > $ show net > %NETWRK-E-NOAVAILABLE, network service information is unavailable at > this time > > What I've discovered, is that the startnet.com file has some errors. > The first one is: > $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:NETACP - > /NOACCOUNTING- > /NOAUTHORIZE- > /TRUSTED- > /AST_LIMIT=100- > /BUFFER_LIMIT=262144- > /EXTENT=1500- > /FILE_LIMIT=128- > /IO_BUFFERED=32767- > /IO_DIRECT=32767- > /QUEUE_LIMIT=16- > /ENQUEUE_LIMIT=255- > /MAXIMUM_WORKING_SET=350- > /PAGE_FILE=20480- > /PRIORITY=8- > /PRIVILEGES=CMKRNL- > /PROCESS_NAME=NETACP- > /UIC=[1,3] > %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed > -SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name > > With show process, I see that it already exists with devices attached, > privileges, etc. Can I assume that this is ok? If not, do I kill it > (and how) and re-run startnet.com? > Then further down I get: > > NCP > SET MODULE CONFIGURATOR KNOWN CIRCUITS ALL > %NCP-I-NOINFO, No information in database > > So i assume this either related, or another problem. Is there a > config com file or something I can run to automatically / manually > create whatever database this is? > > Then later on, I get: > Run sys$system:remacp - > /noaccounting - > /noauthorize - > / > privileges=(NOSAME,CMKRNL,LOG_IO,NETMBX,TMPMBX,SYSNAM) - > /uic=[1,3] - > /priority=8 - > /page_file=600053 - > /ast_limit=511 - > /buffer_limit=85304 - > /file_limit=256 - > /io_buffered=511 - > /process_name=remacp > %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed > -SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name > Again, I can see that this process already exists as well. > > Again, should I kill these processes and execute startnet again (or > does the aforementioned database have to be populated first)? Would > there be a backup (on disk) of this database? > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I am a relative newbie. > As such, I can follow the clues, but not always find the answers (at > least not quickly). > > Thanks again! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:24:48 -0700 From: jhjr4381 Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: <1185557088.850076.325540@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com> On Jul 26, 10:53 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Another thing: make sure DECNET is started early in the boot, prior to > TCPIP services and LAT. DECNET changes the ethernet address of the > interface. Upon further review.....here are the answers to questions asked: Users log on through network using Reflections Reflections 1st choice is telnet $ show license dvnetend Active licenses on node ASKNT2: ------- Product ID -------- ---- Rating ----- -- Version -- Product Producer Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination DVNETEND DEC 0 0 100 0.0 (none) 30- APR-2008 $ show network decnet %NETWRK-E-NOAVAILABLE, network service information is unavailable at this time $ mc ncp show known nodes Known Node Volatile Summary as of 27-JUL-2007 07:23:46 Executor node = 12.116 (ASKNT2) State = on Identification = DECnet for OpenVMS VAX V6.1 Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node Links 12.117 (ALPHA3) 1 3 ISA-0 0 Now, having looked at a gazillion FAQ's and then some, I started asking the users of this system questions. It appears it's been a couple of years or so that this has been going on. Sorry, I inherited this, and was unaware. Looking at systartup_vms (on node A - VAX), LAT$STARTUP.COM is commented out. TCPIP is not started at all either. the only thing I see is an MC LATCP SET NODE/CONN=BOTH. On the other node in the cluster (node B - Alpha), in systartup_vms we do execute STARTNET, then LAT$STARTUP as well. LAT$SYSTARTUP executes, with all defaults, and (lcp set node, lcp create service, and lcp set node /stae=on) without p1-p5 set, and no TCPIP.com files executed here as well. Oh, there is in systartup_vms.com on node B, "DEFE DECW$IGNORE_DECNET TRUE", Obviously, this is deliberate, but can someone explain the reason? Is it indicative of somthing particulary (sane or insane)? Oh, there is in systartup_vms.com on node B, "DEFE DECW$IGNORE_DECNET TRUE". It seems this applies to DECWindows, or Motif that correct (not applicable here)? If I execute the lat$startup in systartup_vms.com on both nodes will it allow users to log directly on to that system (A)? The learning curve looks quite steep here. It doesn't help the ego when one looks at the HP Docs and sees 18 manuals to peruse for starters! Thanks all for the help / suggestions. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:47:30 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: <373fb$46aa300d$cef8887a$29634@TEKSAVVY.COM> jhjr4381 wrote: > DVNETEND DEC 0 0 100 0.0 (none) 30- OK, it appears the licence is OK. > $ show network decnet > %NETWRK-E-NOAVAILABLE, network service information is unavailable at > this time Decnet is down or definitely a sick puppy. Does this happen on both nodes ? > $ mc ncp show known nodes > Executor node = 12.116 (ASKNT2) > 12.117 (ALPHA3) 1 3 ISA-0 0 You should make sure that MC NCP SHOW KNOWN NODES when executed on ALPHA3, would show 12.116 (ASKNT2) . AKA: the alpha knows about the vax, and the vax knows about the alpha. What you could do is $ MC NCP SET EXECUTOR STATE SHUT $ @SYS$MANAGER:NETCONFIG And just rebuild your decnet config from scratch. It is fairly quick and painless. After it is done: $MC NCP DEFINE NODE 12.117 NAME ALPHA3 AND THEN @SYS$MANAGER:STARTNET > Looking at systartup_vms (on node A - VAX), LAT$STARTUP.COM is > commented out. TCPIP is not started at all either. the only thing I > see is an MC LATCP SET NODE/CONN=BOTH. If you don't call LAT$STARTUP.COM , it is likely that the LATCP command is just changing a configuration without having an effect. Not starting LAT means that people cannot SET HOST/LAT to that machine, and people cannot SET HOST/LAT from that machine to another. If TCPIP is also not started, then people cannot telnet in or out of that machine. However, you may also wish to look at: $MC SYSMAN STARTUP SHOW FILE This was some not-too-succesful attempts at moving stuff from systartup_VMS.com to some database to make it look "cool", but it never really caught on in a big way, but unfortunatly, some products gets started from that and it makes managing a system harder because there are now 2 places where stuff gets executed during system startup. >e as well. Oh, > there is in systartup_vms.com on node B, "DEFE DECW$IGNORE_DECNET > TRUE", This is benign. It pertains to decwindows transports. If that node runs decwindows server software (eg: the X terminal), that will cause it to not listen to DECNET for incoming calls. > If I execute the lat$startup in systartup_vms.com on both nodes will > it allow users to log directly on to that system (A)? Example: $@sys$startup:lat$startup NODE1 - "/IDENTIFICATION=""""NODE1 of the BANANA cluster""""" You then need to go and edit LAT$SYSTARTUP.COM in sys$manager to uncomment the portions you want. (that file is fairly well documented). > Thanks all for the help / suggestions. $ help /suggestions %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and placement \SUGGESTIONS\ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:53:22 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Hung TCPware or what? Message-ID: <1185544402.944836.191180@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> One of my MicroVAX 3100 Model 80's hung in HK recently. I can PING it, but cannot open a terminal session. All my MicroVAX systems are running TCPware 5.3-3. Here's what a telnet effort looks like: $ telnet ftnd22 %TCPWARE_TELNET-I-TRYING, trying XXXXXX,telnet (x.x.x.x,23) ... %TCPWARE_TELNET-I-ESCCHR, escape (attention) character is "^\" TELNET> SHOW STAT Client-TELNET V5.3-3 Copyright (c) 1998 Process Software Corporation Connected session: -->1. XXXXXX, telnet (x.x.x.x,23). Local flow control: ON "^\" is the escape (attention) character. TELNET> QUIT Interrupt $ If I run NETCU SHOW CONN from another session on the client system I see the the session is "ESTABLISHED". But after typing QUIT and before ^Y it reports the state as FIN-WAIT-2. I'm still waiting for my HK compatriot to set up a console session for me so I can force a crash dump. But until that happens, does anyone care to speculate as to what has happened? Thanks! AEF ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2007 07:29:59 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > > In case you had not heard, there is a worldwide ban on use of landmines, > and the USA refused to sign it. Why does the USA insist on continued > use of landmines ? Because the DMZ between North and South Korea is where you'll find millions of them, almost no chance of a civilian stumbling across one, and a firm belief that they will be removed when the DMZ is no longer needed (not holding my breath). Just to mention one site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:17:03 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article , Ron Johnson wrote: > On 07/26/07 17:09, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > > > Bull crap. Those are not Americans, they're illegal immigrants from > > yet another third world country. Another group who would rather come > > here for a free handout than fight or work to improve their own country. > > Cuban immigrants, even ones that come by boat, are all(?) legal > (special dispensation because politicians want to win the Florida > vote). You don't float 100 miles across the ocean just to get Medicare. Especially when Cubans get free health, dentistry and ophthalmic care. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2007 07:33:13 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article , Ron Johnson writes: > > Now there's a blast from the past... > > Why do Liberals/Democrats keep on electing proven criminals? The same reason Republicans do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:00:15 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: On 07/27/07 07:33, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , Ron Johnson writes: >> Now there's a blast from the past... >> >> Why do Liberals/Democrats keep on electing proven criminals? > > The same reason Republicans do. Name me a convicted Republican that's been re-elected. (Speaking of corrupt Democrats: how could I, a Louisianian, have forgotten Edwin Edwards? Shame on me.) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:09 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: On 07/27/07 07:25, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <5gskcfF3h8mjoU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> Bull crap. > > And here I thought you were a gun owner. Have you never had the > pleasure of blowing off some steam with a shotgun? But not in the *city*, for Christ's sake. Intelligent (and lots of not-so-intelligent) people relax by shooting their guns where they are *supposed* to be shot: woods, fields & gun ranges. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:18:36 +0000 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: ----=_vm_0011_W5302718287_19970_1185553116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you qualify that with "relected after they had been caught and exposed= " then I might agree with you. One of the things I like about Republicans= - they are honest crooks. When you catch one, he stays caught. :) But there are sure a lot of them... Newt, Foley, DeLay... etc. ----=_vm_0011_W5302718287_19970_1185553116 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment From: "Ron Johnson" To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:00:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 24931 invoked by uid 78); 27 Jul 2007 16:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns-mr23.netsolmail.com) (205.178.146.50) by 0 with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 16:11:19 -0000 Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (mvb.saic.com [198.151.12.104]) by ns-mr23.netsolmail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l6RGBIwg012913 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:11:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms In-Reply-To: Lines: 19 X-Complaints-To: admin@cox.net X-Trace: newsfe19.lga 1185552015 68.105.48.3 (Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:00:15 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:00:15 MST Organization: Cox X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET Subject: Re: July the 4th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 07/27/07 07:33, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , Ron Johnson writes: >> Now there's a blast from the past... >> >> Why do Liberals/Democrats keep on electing proven criminals? > > The same reason Republicans do. Name me a convicted Republican that's been re-elected. (Speaking of corrupt Democrats: how could I, a Louisianian, have forgotten Edwin Edwards? Shame on me.) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ----=_vm_0011_W5302718287_19970_1185553116-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:13:14 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <970d1$46aa2805$cef8887a$17184@TEKSAVVY.COM> Paul Raulerson wrote: > See, that is the way the U.S. works, we try to be respectful of other > people's beliefs, but we absolutely insist on the right to have our > individual beliefs respected too. And we back that right up with force of > arms. You can't tell others they can't have while the USA insists that it can have = nuclear, WMD's land mines, pollution etc etc etc. The USA is *a* country of the planet. Not "THE" country of the planet. It deserves no speacial consideration and if it wants to be respected, it must adhere to what the world has decided via the UN. Someone else complained about my attitude towards your country. Does it not bother you that so many people in the world have come to hate what the USA has become ? Do you really believe your lying idiot politicians who claim that people hate the uSA simply because the USA has freedom ? The reason the USA is so despised, the reason you have groups such as Al-Quada hell bent on hurting the USA is because the USA insists on disregarding what the planet wants and impose its own will on the world. And the USA has now shows it is a very dangerous baby. UN didn't want to give Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Cheney's gift by refusing a resolution to allow them to send their army to Iraq, so they throw a tamper tantrum and go into Iraq anyways and enjoy the fireworks they created. History has proven that when an invador deploys land mines, it never removes them when it leaves because it always ends up leaving in shame and fairly quickly. There are very good reasons why the rest of the world has banned the use of land mines. The USA has no business laying land mines outside its own territory. If it wants to have the burden of all the extra medical costs of taking care of americans maimed by land mines inside the USA, that it isn't business. But it has no business laying land mines outside its territory, forcing that country to then be burndened for *decades* by the high costs of taking care of the victims of the USA's short term use of landmines. Do you realise that people are still getting maimed in Vietnam ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:04:56 -0700 From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Message-ID: <1185545096.277588.226100@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> CARINA> ucx show ver Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 running OpenVMS V7.3 CARINA> CARINA> ucx show services Service Port Proto Process Address State BIND 53 TCP,UDP TCPIP$BIND 0.0.0.0 Disabled ESNMP 705 UDP ESNMP 0.0.0.0 Disabled FINGER 79 TCP TCPIP$FINGER 0.0.0.0 Enabled FTP 21 TCP TCPIP$FTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled IMAP 143 TCP TCPIP$IMAP 0.0.0.0 Disabled KTELNET 2323 TCP TCPIP$TELNET 0.0.0.0 Enabled LBROKER 6570 UDP TCPIP$LBROKER 0.0.0.0 Disabled LOCKD 53212 TCP TCPIP$LOCKD 0.0.0.0 Disabled LPD 515 TCP TCPIP$LPD 0.0.0.0 Enabled METRIC 570 UDP TCPIP$METRIC 0.0.0.0 Disabled MOUNT 10 TCP,UDP TCPIP$MOUNTD 0.0.0.0 Disabled NFS 2049 UDP TCPIP$NFS 0.0.0.0 Disabled NTP 123 UDP TCPIP$NTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled PCNFS 5151 TCP,UDP TCPIP$PCNFSD 0.0.0.0 Disabled POP 110 TCP TCPIP$POP 0.0.0.0 Disabled PORTMAPPER 111 TCP,UDP TCPIP$PORTM 0.0.0.0 Disabled REXEC 512 TCP TCPIP$REXEC 0.0.0.0 Enabled RLOGIN 513 TCP not defined 0.0.0.0 Enabled RSH 514 TCP TCPIP$RSH 0.0.0.0 Enabled SMTP 25 TCP TCPIP$SMTP 0.0.0.0 Enabled SNMP 161 UDP TCPIP$SNMP 0.0.0.0 Disabled STATD 53213 TCP TCPIP$STATD 0.0.0.0 Disabled TELNET 23 TCP not defined 0.0.0.0 Enabled TFTP 69 UDP TCPIP$TFTP 0.0.0.0 Enabled XDM 177 UDP TCPIP$XDM 0.0.0.0 Disabled CARINA> CARINA> ucx enable service pop %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JUL-2007 07:57:05.02 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on CARINA INTERnet ACP Activate POP Server %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JUL-2007 07:57:05.02 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on CARINA INTERnet ACP NOLISTEN Process creation success: Service - POP CARINA> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JUL-2007 07:57:06.01 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on CARINA INTERnet ACP Error during process startup, Nolisten Service Disabled - POP Serve r CARINA> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JUL-2007 07:57:06.01 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on CARINA INTERnet ACP Deactivate POP Server CARINA> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 27-JUL-2007 07:57:06.01 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet on CARINA INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit Status = %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV CARINA> I did the normal reinstall the software, license, etc but still no luck. Any thoughts?? tks phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:51:04 -0700 From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Message-ID: <1185547864.239989.151680@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Phil, start with $ UCX SHOW SERVICE/FULL POP Look at the associated account TCPIP$POP in SYSUAF and the logfile SYS $SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$POP]TCPIP$POP_RUN.LOG. Any errors ? Volker. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:39:22 -0700 From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: Re: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Message-ID: <1185550762.512810.297010@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 27, 8:51 am, Volker Halle wrote: > Phil, > > start with $ UCX SHOW SERVICE/FULL POP > > Look at the associated account TCPIP$POP in SYSUAF and the logfile SYS > $SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$POP]TCPIP$POP_RUN.LOG. Any errors ? > > Volker. Hello Tks for the help. This was causing the problem $ pcfiles :== set def dpa100:[pcfiles] $ define/system pcfiles dpa100:[pcfiles] %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation TCPIP$POP job terminated at 27-JUL-2007 07:57:05.84 Changed it to define/system/process and it worked. tks again phil ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2007 11:30:26 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Message-ID: <6vyMHLqdAV6m@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1185550762.512810.297010@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" writes: > On Jul 27, 8:51 am, Volker Halle wrote: >> Phil, >> >> start with $ UCX SHOW SERVICE/FULL POP >> >> Look at the associated account TCPIP$POP in SYSUAF and the logfile SYS >> $SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$POP]TCPIP$POP_RUN.LOG. Any errors ? >> >> Volker. > > Hello > Tks for the help. This was causing the problem > $ pcfiles :== set def dpa100:[pcfiles] > $ define/system pcfiles dpa100:[pcfiles] > %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection > violation > TCPIP$POP job terminated at 27-JUL-2007 07:57:05.84 > Changed it to define/system/process and it worked. Ummm. You realize that /system and /process are contradictory and that /process is the default, right? $ define /system/process pcfiles dpa100:[pcfiles] would normally be written as: $ define pcfiles dpa100:[pcfiles] I don't know where that "define" was buried (SYLOGIN.COM?), but it might be wise to put a $ SET NOON at the top of that command procedure and a $ EXIT at the bottom so that coding mistakes like this one don't burn you quite so dramatically. If it was, in fact, in SYLOGIN.COM then having an escape clause so that you don't run through a full blown interactive login script for network logins could also be a cool move. You probably don't need a "pcfiles" symbol for a POP3 server process. If it was in SYLOGIN and you don't already have an escape clause for network logins then hadn't your non-privileged users (if any) been getting an error message on login for quite some time? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:18:56 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: problem with tcpip v5.3 on a VAX 4000-500 Message-ID: <95e3c$46aa295a$cef8887a$17374@TEKSAVVY.COM> tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: > CARINA> ucx enable service pop TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE xxxx does not invoke that service startup procedure for xxxx , it simply causes a command procedure to execute, and the later will fail if the startup hasn't executed (defining various logicals etc) You would need to @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$POP_STARTUP.COM And if the service isn't enabled, then TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE POP ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2007 07:06:20 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article , briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >> >> For an /IMAGE backup you cannot exclude a directory tree that way. You'd >> need to mark each file in the tree /NOBACKUP. >> >> You see, in an /IMAGE backup, BACKUP walks the directory tree and backs >> up all the files there. Then at the end of the directory tree walk, >> BACKUP /IMAGE goes back through INDEXF.SYS looking for files that weren't >> backed up during the directory walk. It then backs those files up as well. > > Even then, you will see the files in the save set and restoring the > files will recreate them, but empty. The files in this scenario were not marked /NOBACKUP. Only the parent directory was so marked. The theory was that even if those files were not backed up during the directory-walk phase of an /IMAGE backup that they would be backed up normally during the INDEXF.SYS sweep phase. A restore would have recreated them complete with their original contents. Or so the theory went... The results of testing reported upthread and the results of testing I just did indicate that directories marked /NOBACKUP have the files catalogued therein backed up normally, complete with their contents. The directory tree is not skipped during the directory walk. I tested with an ordinary backup. Not /IMAGE. But I have no reason to think that a /IMAGE backup would have done anything differently. > /NOBACKUP means don't save the data. All the meta-data needed to > recreate the empty file is saved. That way when you do a backup and > restore of a system disk you don't save useless data like the > contents of a pagefile, but the new disk will have the correctly > sized pagefile. Well, yes. But we're talking about directories here, not files. BACKUP doesn't restore directory contents from tape anyway. It restores the directory file complete with security attributes. But it populates the directory based only upon the files restored into it. [Note that in a /INCREMENTAL restore, the directory contents on an incremental backup tape are used to determine which files need to be deleted from disk] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:34:55 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: <1185539695.655116.192440@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jul 27, 8:06 am, bri...@encompasserve.org wrote: > In article , koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > > In article , bri...@encompasserve.org writes: > > >> For an /IMAGE backup you cannot exclude a directory tree that way. You'd > >> need to mark each file in the tree /NOBACKUP. > > >> You see, in an /IMAGE backup, BACKUP walks the directory tree and backs > >> up all the files there. Then at the end of the directory tree walk, > >> BACKUP /IMAGE goes back through INDEXF.SYS looking for files that weren't > >> backed up during the directory walk. It then backs those files up as well. > > > Even then, you will see the files in the save set and restoring the > > files will recreate them, but empty. > > The files in this scenario were not marked /NOBACKUP. Only the parent > directory was so marked. The theory was that even if those files were > not backed up during the directory-walk phase of an /IMAGE backup that > they would be backed up normally during the INDEXF.SYS sweep phase. I think Bob was referring to the SET FILE/NOBACKUP method. I'd definitely had bet against SET FILE/NOBACKUP .DIR; achieving the desired effect. VMS tends to save data, not skip it. Testing proved this correct. > A restore would have recreated them complete with their original contents. > > Or so the theory went... > > The results of testing reported upthread and the results of > testing I just did indicate that directories marked /NOBACKUP have > the files catalogued therein backed up normally, complete with > their contents. The directory tree is not skipped during the directory > walk. > > I tested with an ordinary backup. Not /IMAGE. But I have no reason > to think that a /IMAGE backup would have done anything differently. > > > /NOBACKUP means don't save the data. All the meta-data needed to > > recreate the empty file is saved. That way when you do a backup and > > restore of a system disk you don't save useless data like the > > contents of a pagefile, but the new disk will have the correctly > > sized pagefile. > > Well, yes. But we're talking about directories here, not files. > BACKUP doesn't restore directory contents from tape anyway. It restores > the directory file complete with security attributes. But it populates > the directory based only upon the files restored into it. Unless it has changed since VMS V5.5-2, I'm pretty sure image restores *do* directly restore the contents of .DIR;1 files. Back then (1 job ago) I thought that using BACKUP to copy files to tape and back would not only defrag the drive but also compress the .DIR files. Not so! If I have time later I'll test this assertion and report back. (Of course I can only do this for VMS V6.1 and V6.2.) > > [Note that in a /INCREMENTAL restore, the directory contents > on an incremental backup tape are used to determine which files need > to be deleted from disk] Yes. In fact, this is why BACKUP always copies the data from .DIR;1 files in non-image backups, I think even if you explicitly exclude them with /EXCLUDE=.DIR;1. (They still show up in the listing, anyway.) AEF ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2007 07:35:49 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: In article , briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> In article , briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >>> >>> For an /IMAGE backup you cannot exclude a directory tree that way. You'd >>> need to mark each file in the tree /NOBACKUP. >>> [...] >> >> Even then, you will see the files in the save set and restoring the >> files will recreate them, but empty. > > The files in this scenario were not marked /NOBACKUP. Only the parent > directory was so marked. I was following this scenario, not the one originally posted. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2007 08:38:16 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: In article <1185539695.655116.192440@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > On Jul 27, 8:06 am, bri...@encompasserve.org wrote: [...big snip...] >> Well, yes. But we're talking about directories here, not files. >> BACKUP doesn't restore directory contents from tape anyway. It restores >> the directory file complete with security attributes. But it populates >> the directory based only upon the files restored into it. > > Unless it has changed since VMS V5.5-2, I'm pretty sure image restores > *do* directly restore the contents of .DIR;1 files. Back then (1 job > ago) I thought that using BACKUP to copy files to tape and back would > not only defrag the drive but also compress the .DIR files. Not so! You're probably right. I was basing my assertion on some documentation that I'd read long ago that might not have been applicable to the /IMAGE case. Testing trumps documentation. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2007 11:52:08 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: TCPware SMTP logging question Message-ID: <46a9dc68$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1185483752.411755.97860@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: >ps-2: Also, my current version of TCPware (7.7-2) requires me to >prefix all your suggestions with "TCPWARE_" Yup. And Multinet requires them to be prefixed with MULTINET_ Thats a common code issue (but other logicals do really appear with TCPWARE_mumble in the image file ;-) -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:57:42 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:08:32 -0700, John Santos wrote: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article , >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> >>> In article <5grm6lF3h2n07U2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu >>> (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>> >>>> Or it indicates a system that doesn't have lowercase, like VMS. :-) >>> >>> Poor joke. In 1978 VMS was the first system I used where I knew >>> I could use lowercase and actually did. >>> >>> I suspect I could have gotten away with it on my PDP-10, but none >>> of the manuals demonstrated it and most of our terminals didn't >>> have it. >> Hey, I think mixedcase is a good thing. But many people here don't >> share that opinion. :-) >> > > Mixed case is *not* the same thing as case-sensitivity. Once again > you are misrepresenting the opinions of the vast majority of VMS > users. ;-) (Come to think of it, there's only one person on c.o.v > who is famous for having a broken shift key...) Here is a bit of esoterica for you http://de.scientificcommons.org/20647427 click on the link (Verknüpfungen) > > >> bill >> > > P.S. This post was brought to you in mixed case by an OpenVMS system. > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:51:06 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > > > Here is a bit of esoterica for you > http://de.scientificcommons.org/20647427 click on the link (Verknüpfungen) > Interesting. Arthur Sale's comments about Pascal where on a draft standard. After that paper was published, the drafts (and eventual standard) now allows underlines in identifiers. Back in the 1980s, some group inside of DEC did an Internationalization study on VAX Pascal. They wanted the compiler to recognize upper and lower case versions of the same "word" where the spellings were different. For example, there are some French words that gain or loose an accent when changing case (and sometimes only in Quebec). There are German words like straße (5 chars long) and STRASSE (6 chars long). They wanted the Pascal compiler to treat both spellings as the same identifier. We passed around the report, got a good laugh, and shoved it in a drawer (I think I still have it). -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32/COBOL Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:11:34 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: In article , John Reagan writes: > > >Tom Linden wrote: >> >> >> Here is a bit of esoterica for you >> http://de.scientificcommons.org/20647427 click on the link (Verknüpfungen) >> > >Interesting. Arthur Sale's comments about Pascal where on a draft >standard. After that paper was published, the drafts (and eventual >standard) now allows underlines in identifiers. > >Back in the 1980s, some group inside of DEC did an Internationalization >study on VAX Pascal. They wanted the compiler to recognize upper and >lower case versions of the same "word" where the spellings were >different. For example, there are some French words that gain or loose >an accent when changing case (and sometimes only in Quebec). There are >German words like straße (5 chars long) and STRASSE (6 chars long). >They wanted the Pascal compiler to treat both spellings as the same >identifier. We passed around the report, got a good laugh, and shoved >it in a drawer (I think I still have it). Is that what it means when it says "this feature will be addressed at some future date?" -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:25:17 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > > And since then the germans has dropped the "double-s", so you'd better > make a new revison anyway... :-) > Well, not to side-track, but a quick Google search shows many publications like Der Spiegel have reverted to the old rules. Even the new rules in Rechtschreibreform seem to allow the double-s in some cases. "For the sharp (voiceless) [s] after a long vowel or dipththong one writes ß, as long as no other consonant follows in the word stem." So "daß" turns into "dass", but "groß" stays the same. -- John (not a German speaker much less a German grammarian) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:29:27 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: John Reagan wrote: > German words like straße (5 chars long) and STRASSE (6 chars long). and to compound the problem, I can't count. :-) -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32/COBOL Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.408 ************************