INFO-VAX Tue, 31 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 415 Contents: Re: adding second IA64 to vms cluster Enabling control_y Re: Enabling control_y Re: ES40's won't boot! Re: ES40's won't boot! Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Re: RIP DTL's Father Re: Serial Ports on Alpha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:49:42 -0700 From: magalettac@hotmail.com Subject: Re: adding second IA64 to vms cluster Message-ID: <1185839382.387040.305720@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 28, 12:45 pm, Volker Halle wrote: > Carmine, > > you've probably answered YES to the 'Will the node be a satellite > [Y]?' question. Therefore it wants to wait for the 2nd node to boot. > Or you tried to specify a local disk on the 2nd node for paging/ > swapping... > > If you just want to create a second (probably [SYS1]) root for the 2nd > node on a FC shared system disk, just run @CLUSTER_CONFIG -> 1. Add > node -> satellite ?: NO ... > Specify the device name of the existing system disk and a new root > [SYS1] for the 2nd system. > The CLUSTER_CONIFG(_LAN) procedure will just create the root and the > necessary files and will then exit back to DCL. > > Boot the 2nd node from the OpenVMS I64 OE DVD and run @SYS > $MANAGER:BOOT_OPTIONS to specify the boot device (same as the other > system, if you want a shared system disk). Make sure you specify the > correct VMS_FLAGS value (most likely 1,0 for the 2nd node). Then boot > the 2nd node form the SYS1 root of the shared system disk... > > Volker. Thanks Volker, your suggestion worked great !! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:13:33 -0000 From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com Subject: Enabling control_y Message-ID: <1185830013.857145.324850@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Is there any set terminal command to enable control_y in a terminal ? I create a procedure with command: $ on control_y then goto bypass but anytimes when I press control_ y it doesn=B4t work... ( I don=B4t see "interrupt" on the terminal...)" Thank you ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:48:29 -0700 From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: Enabling control_y Message-ID: <1185832109.822903.65330@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 30, 4:13 pm, apogeusiste...@gmail.com wrote: > Is there any set terminal command to enable control_y in a terminal ? > I create a procedure with command: > $ on control_y then goto bypass > but anytimes when I press control_ y it doesn=B4t work... > ( I don=B4t see "interrupt" on the terminal...)" > Thank you apogeuiste, The command to enable/disable CNTRL keys is: $ SET CONTROL=3DY SET CONTROL is fully documented in the HELP. I strongly recommend a review of the HELP before using the command. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:21:15 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: ES40's won't boot! Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:06:25 -0700, Tom Linden wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:26:19 -0700, Tom Wade > wrote: > >> >>> Works for me. >>> When I got my ES40s I plugged a cable into on of the DB9 ports >>> (without >>> having consulted the documentation) and it gave me the familiar >> >> It still isn't the real console. When SRM is running, it will issue a >> prompt and accept commands on all three serial interfaces. Once you >> start the boot sequence, only the real console will be active. The >> other two serial lines will be unusable until VMS is running. This is >> what the original poster saw. >> >> I believe (though I haven't tried it) that >> >> - VMS can only be halted by CTRL/P on the real console. >> - RMC only works on the real console. >> > I will try it out when I get a chance I attached a cable to the MMJ port and one to COM1 The MMJ port prints the message "Remote login or bypas RMC" and reprints the message no matter which key is struck, including ^P, ^c, ^Z The COM1 port prints the usual POST stuff and ends with the >>> prompt, but when booting it is unresponsive to ^P > >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Tom Wade | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie >> EuroKom | Tel: +353 (1) 296-9696 >> A2, Nutgrove Office Park | Fax: +353 (1) 296-9697 >> Rathfarnham | Disclaimer: This is not a disclaimer >> Dublin 14 | Tip: "Friends don't let friends do Unix !" >> Ireland > > > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:49:23 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: ES40's won't boot! Message-ID: <1185835763.767318.56410@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 30, 4:21 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:06:25 -0700, Tom Linden wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:26:19 -0700, Tom Wade > > wrote: > > >>> Works for me. > >>> When I got my ES40s I plugged a cable into on of the DB9 ports > >>> (without > >>> having consulted the documentation) and it gave me the familiar > > >> It still isn't the real console. When SRM is running, it will issue a > >> prompt and accept commands on all three serial interfaces. Once you > >> start the boot sequence, only the real console will be active. The > >> other two serial lines will be unusable until VMS is running. This is > >> what the original poster saw. > > >> I believe (though I haven't tried it) that > > >> - VMS can only be halted by CTRL/P on the real console. > >> - RMC only works on the real console. > > > I will try it out when I get a chance > > I attached a cable to the MMJ port and one to COM1 > The MMJ port prints the message "Remote login or bypas RMC" and reprints > the > message no matter which key is struck, including ^P, ^c, ^Z > The COM1 port prints the usual POST stuff and ends with the >>> prompt, but > when booting it is unresponsive to ^P > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> Tom Wade | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie > >> EuroKom | Tel: +353 (1) 296-9696 > >> A2, Nutgrove Office Park | Fax: +353 (1) 296-9697 > >> Rathfarnham | Disclaimer: This is not a disclaimer > >> Dublin 14 | Tip: "Friends don't let friends do Unix !" > >> Ireland > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com I don't have an ES40. That said, the docs indicate comm port 1 is dedicated port for a modem connection to a remote management console, comm port 2 is a general serial port, and the MMJ is the console. Is it possible there's a setting that makes the ES40 prefer the 'remote management console' port? Have you tried entering the RMC on the console ( "rmc" if I remember correctly)? Have you checked the COM1_MODE environment variable? It may be set to one of the alternate data modes defined around page 96 in the manual linked earlier ( http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/es40og_revb.pdf ) Do you have a PS2 keyboard plugged in? Thats all I can think of. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:57:47 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: If you have a working RRD42 I would happily buy it. Regards Rob wrote in message news:5J7ri.180$Cb4.114@newsfe12.lga... > In article , "Robert Jarratt" > writes: >> >> >>Just to clarify, when I try to mount the CD I get %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium >>is >>offline. > > Others have pointed out, unless you want a different version of VMS than > that > which is on your M38, just BACKUP that system's disk to the driver from > that > VLC you install in the M38. I suggested STABACKIT but not that I think > about > it, it might not be necessary. > > If you need a CDrom drive, I might have one in my drive dump. Let me > know. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:56:58 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: I have resolved the problem where I could not mount the CD so I thought I would try this technique (ie backup/image of vms073.b from the CD). The problem is that I cannot find the saveset on the bootable CD, is it somehow "hidden"? Thanks Rob "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:46ACFA20.A0EB65F6@spam.comcast.net... > Robert Jarratt wrote: >> >> I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to >> get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a >> bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a >> working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. >> >> My thought was to temporarily put the disk from the VLC into the M38 and >> restore the backup saveset on the bootable VMS install CD to the VLC's >> disk. >> I do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive for the M38 either, but I do have a >> CD-ROM drive that VMS can read. I'd like to do the standalone restore of >> the >> VMS saveset to the VLC disk, from a running instance of VMS in the M38. >> Is >> this a valid way to do it? If not, is there a better way? When I try to >> mount the bootable CD in VMS it fails, I am not sure what options I >> should >> use. How should I get the initial saveset onto the VLC's disk? >> >> Also I don't remember if the VMS installation needed to read the CD again >> during the initial installation process, so even if I do get the saveset >> across and can then put the disk back into the VLC, will I be able to >> install VMS without needing further access to the CD-ROM drive? > > Dumb question time: if VMS can read the CD drive, why will the machine not > boot > from it? > > As to the other question, you can simply BACKUP/IMAGE the VMS073.B saveset > from > the CD to the SCSI drive, then COPY the remaining VMS073.% savesets (use > /EXCLUDE=VMS073.B; - you won't need it) from the root of the CD to the > SCSI > drive, put it back into the VLC, boot it up and perform the install using > the > SCSI drive as both the install media and the destination. > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:06:13 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <07073015061333_202003EE@antinode.org> From: "Robert Jarratt" > If you have a working RRD42 I would happily buy it. WHY??? See, for example: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/280a07fa77fc2935/50c9bd3a53ccf64f In my experience, oodles of CD-ROM drives work just fine on a VAXstation 3100 model 38, and practically all of them are faster than an RRD42, and most of them don't need a caddy, either. I'd expect that a resonably thorough Google search would find plenty of recommendations (mine and others) of newer/faster/better drives. An RRD42 would be almost last on my list (edged out by the RRD40). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:22:06 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <07073015220624_202003EE@antinode.org> From: "Robert Jarratt" > I have resolved the problem where I could not mount the CD so I thought I > would try this technique (ie backup/image of vms073.b from the CD). The > problem is that I cannot find the saveset on the bootable CD, is it somehow > "hidden"? Not unless you call the [000000] directory hidden. It might help if you disclosed how you got where you are and what you did which didn't find the file(s) of interest. My psychic powers seem to be ebbing today. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:19:58 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <2Csri.1489$mo.239@newsfe4-win.ntli.net> I had forgotten all about [000000] (it was almost 20 years ago when I last used VMS), I had been trying [*...] to find it, it did not occur to me to specify my directory specification as I thought I had done a directory listing of the whole disk already. Thanks Rob "Steven M. Schweda" wrote in message news:07073015220624_202003EE@antinode.org... > From: "Robert Jarratt" > >> I have resolved the problem where I could not mount the CD so I thought I >> would try this technique (ie backup/image of vms073.b from the CD). The >> problem is that I cannot find the saveset on the bootable CD, is it >> somehow >> "hidden"? > > Not unless you call the [000000] directory hidden. It might help if > you disclosed how you got where you are and what you did which didn't > find the file(s) of interest. My psychic powers seem to be ebbing > today. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:26:21 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <1Isri.14505$gX5.7200@newsfe2-win.ntli.net> Because I have tried a number of drives that are listed here: http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs3khw.html I could not boot from any of these that I tried. The only one that has worked so far was an RRD42 that I borrowed. Regards Rob "Steven M. Schweda" wrote in message news:07073015061333_202003EE@antinode.org... > From: "Robert Jarratt" > >> If you have a working RRD42 I would happily buy it. > > WHY??? See, for example: > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/280a07fa77fc2935/50c9bd3a53ccf64f > > In my experience, oodles of CD-ROM drives work just fine on a VAXstation > 3100 model 38, and practically all of them are faster than an RRD42, and > most of them don't need a caddy, either. > > I'd expect that a resonably thorough Google search would find plenty > of recommendations (mine and others) of newer/faster/better drives. An > RRD42 would be almost last on my list (edged out by the RRD40). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:27:58 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <07073016275842_202003EE@antinode.org> From: "Robert Jarratt" > I had forgotten all about [000000] (it was almost 20 years ago when I last > used VMS), I had been trying [*...] to find it, it did not occur to me to > specify my directory specification as I thought I had done a directory > listing of the whole disk already. For the record, VMS VAX installation save sets (VMS%%%.%) must be in the [000000] directory, or else the installation will fail. (VMS%%%.B may be an exception, when it's handled manually, outside the normal installation procedure, but it's normally found in the same place as the others, and they must be in [000000].) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:41:36 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: Thanks, by luck that is exactly where I chose to put them just now. Regards Rob "Steven M. Schweda" wrote in message news:07073016275842_202003EE@antinode.org... > From: "Robert Jarratt" > >> I had forgotten all about [000000] (it was almost 20 years ago when I >> last >> used VMS), I had been trying [*...] to find it, it did not occur to me to >> specify my directory specification as I thought I had done a directory >> listing of the whole disk already. > > For the record, VMS VAX installation save sets (VMS%%%.%) must be in > the [000000] directory, or else the installation will fail. (VMS%%%.B > may be an exception, when it's handled manually, outside the normal > installation procedure, but it's normally found in the same place as the > others, and they must be in [000000].) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:49:14 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: In article , "Robert Jarratt" writes: > > >If you have a working RRD42 I would happily buy it. I have one RRD42 that sits in an ol InfoServer 150VXT. Why not an RRD45/46? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:46:19 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <07073016461927_202003EE@antinode.org> From: "Robert Jarratt" > Because I have tried a number of drives that are listed here: > > http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs3khw.html > > I could not boot from any of these that I tried. The only one that has > worked so far was an RRD42 that I borrowed. A report like that might have some value if you revealed which drives you tried, how they were configured (for the ones with block-size options), and what, exactly, happened when you tried it/them. Saying that "a number of drives" didn't work, and not even revealing the number, helps no one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:15:30 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <6qtri.8962$ph7.5966@newsfe5-win.ntli.net> That is because it wasn't a report, just explaining why I was interested in the RRD42. To be honest I also can't remember all the drives I tried, the ones I remember were: Sony CDU 55S RRD43 CR-506B Regards Rob "Steven M. Schweda" wrote in message news:07073016461927_202003EE@antinode.org... > From: "Robert Jarratt" > >> Because I have tried a number of drives that are listed here: >> >> http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs3khw.html >> >> I could not boot from any of these that I tried. The only one that has >> worked so far was an RRD42 that I borrowed. > > A report like that might have some value if you revealed which drives > you tried, how they were configured (for the ones with block-size > options), and what, exactly, happened when you tried it/them. Saying > that "a number of drives" didn't work, and not even revealing the > number, helps no one. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:17:14 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: I know for sure that the RRD42 works because I borrowed one once. I have an RRD43 that the M38 will not boot from, so I am not sure that it will work with a 45 or 46. Regards Rob wrote in message news:u1tri.15$2d7.14@newsfe12.lga... > In article , "Robert Jarratt" > writes: >> >> >>If you have a working RRD42 I would happily buy it. > > I have one RRD42 that sits in an ol InfoServer 150VXT. > > Why not an RRD45/46? > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:18:17 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: I forgot to mention that in all cases I tried all combinations of jumpers. In all cases the machine would not boot from the bootable CD, but I do not recall the error message. Regards Rob "Robert Jarratt" wrote in message news:6qtri.8962$ph7.5966@newsfe5-win.ntli.net... > That is because it wasn't a report, just explaining why I was interested > in the RRD42. To be honest I also can't remember all the drives I tried, > the ones I remember were: > > Sony CDU 55S > RRD43 > CR-506B > > Regards > > Rob > > > "Steven M. Schweda" wrote in message > news:07073016461927_202003EE@antinode.org... >> From: "Robert Jarratt" >> >>> Because I have tried a number of drives that are listed here: >>> >>> http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs3khw.html >>> >>> I could not boot from any of these that I tried. The only one that has >>> worked so far was an RRD42 that I borrowed. >> >> A report like that might have some value if you revealed which drives >> you tried, how they were configured (for the ones with block-size >> options), and what, exactly, happened when you tried it/them. Saying >> that "a number of drives" didn't work, and not even revealing the >> number, helps no one. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org >> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 >> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:21:21 -0700 From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <1185852081.327547.201980@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> On Jul 30, 4:18 pm, "Robert Jarratt" wrote: > I forgot to mention that in all cases I tried all combinations of jumpers. > In all cases the machine would not boot from the bootable CD, but I do not > recall the error message. > > Regards > > Rob > > "Robert Jarratt" wrote in message > > news:6qtri.8962$ph7.5966@newsfe5-win.ntli.net... > > > > > That is because it wasn't a report, just explaining why I was interested > > in the RRD42. To be honest I also can't remember all the drives I tried, > > the ones I remember were: > > > Sony CDU 55S > > RRD43 > > CR-506B > > > Regards > > > Rob > > > "Steven M. Schweda" wrote in message > >news:07073016461927_202003EE@antinode.org... > >> From: "Robert Jarratt" > > >>> Because I have tried a number of drives that are listed here: > > >>>http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs3khw.html > > >>> I could not boot from any of these that I tried. The only one that has > >>> worked so far was an RRD42 that I borrowed. > > >> A report like that might have some value if you revealed which drives > >> you tried, how they were configured (for the ones with block-size > >> options), and what, exactly, happened when you tried it/them. Saying > >> that "a number of drives" didn't work, and not even revealing the > >> number, helps no one. > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > >> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > >> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I have a number of IBM 4x cdrom drives both half and full height drives that I been using in place of the RRD42 drives. They have the jumper that you can switch between 512 and 1024. If anybody needs 1 just let me know. phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:03:30 -0800 From: glen herrmannsfeldt Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <9tidnfKMM8Z-XDPbnZ2dnUVZ_vrinZ2d@comcast.com> Robert Jarratt wrote: > I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to > get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a > bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a > working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. Last time I tried this, and even though my CD-ROM drive had the jumper it still didn't work. I copied the whole CD to a 1GB SCSI drive that I had sitting around and booted that one. It is probably faster than from the CD, too. You can probably copy it on VMS, but I used dd on a NetBSD system. -- glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:29:36 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: In article <07073016275842_202003EE@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > From: "Robert Jarratt" > > > I had forgotten all about [000000] (it was almost 20 years ago when I last > > used VMS), I had been trying [*...] to find it, it did not occur to me to > > specify my directory specification as I thought I had done a directory > > listing of the whole disk already. > > For the record, VMS VAX installation save sets (VMS%%%.%) must be in > the [000000] directory, or else the installation will fail. (VMS%%%.B > may be an exception, when it's handled manually, outside the normal > installation procedure, but it's normally found in the same place as the > others, and they must be in [000000].) > Is the [000000] restriction still true? Maybe I'm dreaming, but I thought it had been relaxed at some point. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:37:28 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185838648.142284.311300@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> On Jul 30, 3:15 am, Dirk Munk wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > AEF wrote: > >> It doesn't matter what the US does. Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., want to > >> destroy the state of Israel. THEY'VE PLAINLY AND LOUDLY SAID SO! > > > They acceptance of Israel's existance will be the RESULT of succesful > > negotiations. The USA/Israel require them to accept Israel as a > > pre-condition for negotiations. > > The state of Israel exists since the UN more or less established it in > 1948. The existence of the state of Israel or acceptance of this fact > is not negotiable. Of course not! Who would negotiate away their own existence? That's why you can't negotiate with those who wish to destroy you. > > Almost no one in the middle east is interested in solving the conflict > between Israel and the Palestinians. Why not? Simple, corrupt and > autocratic leaders love to use this conflict to distract their own > people from the problems in their own country. It is the oldest game in > politics, find something abroad to distract the attention of the people > from your own failures. And it works perfectly. Poverty in your own > country? Look at the Americans and Europeans! They help the Israeli > against the Palestinians! They hate Muslems! That is why we are poor! I believe that is a good part of it. > Who is paying the salaries of the Palestinian civil servants? Not the > rich Arab countries or other "Muslem brother states". No, the US and the > EU, those damned friends of Israel. > > Now Israel isn't doing very much to improve the situation either. If you > are a Palestinian or a Israeli citizen of Arab origin, and you can't get > water from the tap while Jewish people are splashing in their private > swimming pool just a few hundred yards from your home, you will not get > the idea that you get treated fairly by the Israeli government. And this > is just a small example of the rather foolish way Israel is fueling the > conflict. I never heard of this. No water for the Israeli Arabs? I think I'd hear of it. You mean they're forced to buy bottled water? Anyway, where did you get this information? And how does this compare to the way Arabs are treated in Arab countries, esp. the women? And how does this compare to how Jews are treated in Arab countries? No, two wrongs don't make a right, but let's just keep some perspective here. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:02:41 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185840161.601200.18760@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 30, 1:41 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1185733582.741490.41...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > >On Jul 29, 1:22 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > >> Ron Johnson wrote: > >> > The whole "they'll like us when we stop supporting Israel" idea is a > >> > steaming pile of shit. > > >> You wouldn't be able to grasp more evolved concepts such as "our blind > >> support for Israel prevents establishement of a real peace in middle > >> east". It is VERY different than what you stated above. > > >More bologna from you. It is the Arab's refusal to accept even the > >existence of Israel that prevents the establishment of real peace. > > Are you really that ignorant of the situation ? > Yasser Arafat and the PLO accepted Israels right to exist over a decade ago !! > This was formally confirmed when Arafat exchanged letters of PLO-Israel > recognition with the Yitzhak Rabin in 1993. Right. That was a big step forward ... NOT! I heard they still had it in their charter to destroy Israel and move in. Yes, I painted with too broad a brush. Many Arabs do recognize the existence of Israel, hence the Arab League's move to recognize it, relations, etc., if Israel would move back to the 1967 borders. But the PLO isn't really much of a factor now. OK, Fatah is, and there is *some* hope with them. And actions speak louder than words. And Hezbollah and Hamas certainly don't even pretend to recognize Israel. > See http://www.earlham.edu/~pss/yasser_arafat.htm Looks like a biased write-up to me. Even if the write-up is truthful, other Arabs continued to cause trouble as the same write-up says. I'm sure you can find write-ups of Arafat biased totally in the other direction. I see no reason to go with this one. > Given the lack of progress toward an independent Palestinian state since it > isn't particularly surprising that the more extreme Hamas party won the January > 2006 Palestinian parlimentary elections. Hmmm. Some choice: Corrupt Fatah or Hamas. Do you want to die by hanging or the electric chair? And their votes didn't get them any more progress towards a state, did it now? > > >Israel withdrew UNILATERALLY and UNCONDITIONALLY from Gaza, and looked > >what happened. > > Unfortunately too little too late and done on Israeli terms rather than as part > of wider talks on a permanent solution embracing the West Bank and Jerusalem. > Many Palestinians saw it, unfortunately, as Israel only reacting to force. It is incredible that anyone could complain about the withdrawal. It was a very expensive and emotionally painful process for the Israelis. On Israel's terms? Like what: to defend itself against the continue rocket attacks and ambushes? Horrors! Give me a break! Just what terms would you expect? I have an idea. Why not invite the Israelis back in! And then negotiate a second withdrawal. How about that? > > See > > http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/18/Worldandnation/Israel_leaves_Gaza_h... Oh, please. If the P's would stop attacking Israel and work on their own progress for a change, something good might happen for them. Arafat had billions of dollars! Why didn't he use any of that to help the P's? I've read that the P's get more foreign aid per capita than anyone else on earth and still they have nothing better to do than attack Israel and then complain when Israel defends itself! Egypt and Jordan eventually expressed a true desire for peace with Israel and they got back all the land they wanted (they apparently didn't want the P's!) > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS AEF [...] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:25:07 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185845107.304275.215520@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 30, 1:41 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1185733582.741490.41...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > >On Jul 29, 1:22 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > >> Ron Johnson wrote: > >> > The whole "they'll like us when we stop supporting Israel" idea is a > >> > steaming pile of shit. > > >> You wouldn't be able to grasp more evolved concepts such as "our blind > >> support for Israel prevents establishement of a real peace in middle > >> east". It is VERY different than what you stated above. > > >More bologna from you. It is the Arab's refusal to accept even the > >existence of Israel that prevents the establishment of real peace. Again, I shouldn't have implied all Arabs. Those who offered diplomatic relations (or whatever the phrase is) for returning to the 1967 borders took a big step in the right direction, though I think that offer also has some serious sticking points (at least one, anyway). > Are you really that ignorant of the situation ? > Yasser Arafat and the PLO accepted Israels right to exist over a decade ago !! > This was formally confirmed when Arafat exchanged letters of PLO-Israel > recognition with the Yitzhak Rabin in 1993. > > See http://www.earlham.edu/~pss/yasser_arafat.htm See http://www.faithsforfairness.org/article4.htm for the opposing viewpoint. > [...] AEF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:45:43 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: <1185828343.952059.186650@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 30, 12:14 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > John E. Malmberg wrote: > > Now if LCD monitors will work with those, I do not know. > > I had no problems getting my Vaxstation 3100 with SPX card to connect to > a NEC LCD monitor. > > I built myself a small adaptor from the DEC proprietary 15 pin connector > to the VGA connector to connect the Red Greed and Blue leads and voila. > You just need to ensure that the new monitor can do sync on green (which > my NEC LCD 1980sx does). > > LCD monitors save a LOT of electricity compared to CRTs. A number of NEC's pre-digital-input LCD flat panels came with BNC connectors that have been reported to work with the stock DEC cable (terminating in three BNC connectors); nearly all of them that I've looked up support sync-on-green as well. Some of the ones with DVI input still support sync-on-green on the analog input but only the HD15 VGA style connector is provided so you need to roll your own cable. I've been keeping an eye out for a surplused 2010 or 2110 multisync to replace the VR299 on my work VAXstation; when I do that I'll have to upgrade the GPX board to an SPX due to resolution issues. That and figure out what to do with all the recovered desktop space and how to brace up the sag the beast made in my poor little cubicle desk. The other thing you want to look for on any LCD for a VMS application is that the monitor's native resolution matches the video output of your workstation. The 2010 is a 1280x1024 unit, so perfect with an SPX card but would be interpolating with the GPX. Many newer monitors are 1600x1200 and would be interpolating anything my old VAXstation could put out. Rich ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jul 2007 19:04:01 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: In article , "John E. Malmberg" writes: > My ELSA card seemed to overdrive an LCD monitor that I had. The same > monitor worked fine with a Radeon card on the same DS10. Are there any situations in which the ELSA is preferable to the Radeon ? ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jul 2007 00:35:01 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , "John E. Malmberg" > writes: > > My ELSA card seemed to overdrive an LCD monitor that I had. The same > > monitor worked fine with a Radeon card on the same DS10. > Are there any situations in which the ELSA is preferable to the Radeon ? The *only* one I can think of would be if you have an ELSA and don't have a Radeon. Of course at that point a VT420 or equivalent is likely preferable. Zane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:45:57 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: <9Dvri.28958$Xa3.28172@attbi_s22> Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , "John E. Malmberg" writes: > >>My ELSA card seemed to overdrive an LCD monitor that I had. The same >>monitor worked fine with a Radeon card on the same DS10. > > Are there any situations in which the ELSA is preferable to the Radeon ? There must have been one. Island traded me the Radeon for my Elsa even shortly after I got the LCD. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:47:02 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: <07073019470237_202003EE@antinode.org> From: healyzh@aracnet.com > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > In article , "John E. Malmberg" > > writes: > > > > My ELSA card seemed to overdrive an LCD monitor that I had. The same > > > monitor worked fine with a Radeon card on the same DS10. > > > Are there any situations in which the ELSA is preferable to the Radeon ? > > The *only* one I can think of would be if you have an ELSA and don't have a > Radeon. Of course at that point a VT420 or equivalent is likely preferable. The Radeon 7500 driver demands an EV6 (or newer) CPU. The ELSA GLoria Synergy card works in an EV4 or EV5 system (like an AlpSta 200 4/233 or a PWS 500a[u], say). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:30:36 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: RIP DTL's Father Message-ID: <1185852636.174930.73160@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 30, 1:16 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Didier_Toulouse wrote: > > Sinc=E8res condol=E9ances. Si il n'y a pas eu de soufrances, c'est la > meilleure fa=E7on de partir. C'est bien mieux qu'une maladie d=E9g=E9n=E9= rative > comme l'alzheimer. You really caught me off guard. For some reason I thought the guy who invented Diode Transistor Logic just passed away. NSR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:31:54 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Serial Ports on Alpha Message-ID: "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in message news:WHori.10505$ae7.3179@bignews7.bellsouth.net... > Does anyone know if ANYONE has created a driver for multiple USB-Comm > ports (for modem use etc) (VMS 7.3-2) > > Customer has cost restrictions and can't pay big money for the Digi board > PBXDA serial port cards. > > Also - PCI modems for Alpha > Anyone Anyone??? > I can't say what Forrest might have sent out as "freeware" for V7.3-2 - so there might be something out there. We do not officially support the USB serial multiplexers on Alpha - because we have not done qual for them (I actually test and use them on Alpha all the time - just because a DS10 is my development machine) - and because the only officially supported USB port (physical USB connection ) is on the EV7. Serial Mux drivers were not shipped in V7.3-2. It did not show up until V8.2 when the driver for the Prolific chipset was first introduced. If the customer moves to V8.3 - then code for a number of devices shipped for support on IA64 - but they are also in the V8.3 Alpha kit undocumented and not explicitly supported. The Prolific chipset and FTDI chipsets are the most commonly used chips in the consumer market - and there are drivers for them. The Digi Edgeport series (for the OLDER chips made by Inside Out Networks) is there as well (but it needs a patch to make modem signals work right - which is out for IA64, but since it isn't "officially" how we support serial lines on Alpha - no patch is out for Alpha). An ECO is also out for IA64 for support of the newer Digi boxes that changed for RoH and use a TI based chipset. So the question for you/them is do they need official support. If they do they are out-of-luck - they can contact Leo Demers and try to convince us to do qual for it - but that also requires an official physical USB connection for non-EV7 systems - so we would need to find/qual a USB PCI card... that's not going to happen. If they don't care if it is supported, and promise to NEVER EVER EVER ask for anything that resembles support from ANYONE at HP. I might find a way to build a set of images for V7.3-2. Or convince them to move to an IA64 :-) ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.415 ************************