INFO-VAX Wed, 01 Aug 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 417 Contents: CC: check the presence of functions and system #include Re: CC: check the presence of functions and system #include decnet only works one way ? Re: decnet only works one way ? Re: decnet only works one way ? Re: decnet only works one way ? Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Re: remote shutdown/startup of MSA1000? Re: remote shutdown/startup of MSA1000? Re: Serial Ports on Alpha VAX 3100-80 hangs during backup Re: VAX 3100-80 hangs during backup Re: VAX 3100-80 hangs during backup Re: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall Re: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall Re: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall RE: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall RE: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall What I would like in VMS: copy/sftp Re: XMODEM for VMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:28:34 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: CC: check the presence of functions and system #include Message-ID: <1185924514.859336.285500@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> hello, in order to compile a project under various versions of CRTL, I would like to be able to check by script the presence/absence of some function in the CRTL to automatically create a 'good' config.h I would also like to be able to automatically check the presence/ absence of system #include. for this I think that something like: $ pipe lib/text/lis sys$library:decc$rtldefs | search sys$pipe will do the trick. any idea regarding the check of the functions ? TIA, Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:09:01 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: CC: check the presence of functions and system #include Message-ID: Pierre wrote: > hello, > > in order to compile a project under various versions of CRTL, I would > like to be able to check by script the presence/absence of some > function in the CRTL to automatically create a 'good' config.h > > I would also like to be able to automatically check the presence/ > absence of system #include. for this I think that something like: > > $ pipe lib/text/lis sys$library:decc$rtldefs | search sys$pipe name of the include> > > will do the trick. > > any idea regarding the check of the functions ? Somewhere I have a DCL script that will read the config.h.in file and then search for all the symbols. I even have an IA64 variant of it. To find the functions, you need to search the shared libraries. And depending on what you are looking for, you have to search the X11, LDAP, Kerberos, and OpenSSL images also. And there may be some that I forgot. I had to put a lot of special cases in it. I have not used it since GNV can now process most configure scripts. See the GNV directory at ftp.encompasserve.org for some examples of how to use it. Binaries for updating ALPHA VMS 8.2 to the new functionality are present. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:06:38 -0700 From: magalettac@hotmail.com Subject: decnet only works one way ? Message-ID: <1185919598.486686.57320@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Set host issue..... I believe everything to be configured correctly VMS 8.3 / decent_plus Node A Set host (to any node) no problem telnet out of this node (no problem) >From any other VMS node Telnet into node A (no problem) Set hos into node A (host currently unreachable error message) Set hos to decnet address (host currently unreachable error message) Node A just does not want to pick up the phone ? Any ideas and Thanks, Carmine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:26:09 -0700 From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" Subject: Re: decnet only works one way ? Message-ID: magalettac@hotmail.com wrote: > Set host issue..... > I believe everything to be configured correctly > VMS 8.3 / decent_plus > > Node A > Set host (to any node) no problem > telnet out of this node (no problem) > >>From any other VMS node > Telnet into node A (no problem) > Set hos into node A (host currently unreachable error message) > Set hos to decnet address (host currently unreachable error message) > > Node A just does not want to pick up the phone ? > > Any ideas and Thanks, > Carmine > Try this: MCR NCP SHOW EXEC does the executor node number match what you think node A is? Jeff Coffield ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:52:05 -0700 From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: decnet only works one way ? Message-ID: <1185936725.587977.274020@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 31, 6:06 pm, magalet...@hotmail.com wrote: > Set host issue..... > I believe everything to be configured correctly > VMS 8.3 / decent_plus > > Node A > Set host (to any node) no problem > telnet out of this node (no problem) > > >From any other VMS node > > Telnet into node A (no problem) > Set hos into node A (host currently unreachable error message) > Set hos to decnet address (host currently unreachable error message) > > Node A just does not want to pick up the phone ? > > Any ideas and Thanks, > Carmine Carmine, I would like to see the results of NCP SHOW EXECUTOR CHARACTERISTICS on BOTH nodes. Also, is the problem limited to SET HOST, or are other services (e.g., COPY) showing the same or similar behaviors? - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:48:07 -0700 From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: decnet only works one way ? Message-ID: <1185947287.556582.105840@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Carmine, can you do a $ SET HOST A on node A ? And a $ SET HOST B on node A ? Have you enabled the Phase IV address on at least one routing circuit (MC NCP SHOW ROUTING CIRC * ALL and look for Enable PhaseIV Address = True) Any routers involved (MC NCL SHOW ROUTING CIRC csmacd-n ADJ *) ? Volker. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:29:16 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, Robert Jarratt wrote: > I have resolved the problem where I could not mount the CD so I > thought I would try this technique (ie backup/image of vms073.b from > the CD). The problem is that I cannot find the saveset on the > bootable CD, is it somehow "hidden"? Look in the [0,0] directory. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:36:28 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185924988.093607.305920@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Jul 31, 3:23 am, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 07/29/07 15:26, David J Dachtera wrote: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 07/29/07 02:16, Paul Raulerson wrote: > >> [snip] > >>> Just what exactly do you find wrong with that picture, beyond the > >>> fact you have exaggerated the analogy? Your own history is pretty > >>> well fraught with fighting those exact same "Indians." The > >>> Netherlands has fought against Muslims for quite a while, > >>> including ganging up against them with Portugal in Malaysia. > >> Three words: Theo van Gogh. > > >>> Muslims never bothered us much before they starting slamming > >>> airplanes into buildings. We never bothered them until they did > >>> that either. Also remember, that wasn't their first attempt- just > >>> their first really successful one. > >> Two more words: Achille Lauro. > > > ...and as I implied at another point in all this, the fact that the flight crews > > of those two planes LET them be flown into the WTC will stand before the entire > > world as testimony to the U.S.'s greatest weakness. > > Boy do I agree with that!!!!! > > Since the 1970s, Americans[0] have been, in essence, told to bend > over and accept being terrorized, raped, beaten, mugged, etc. > > The men of United 93 did a much greater service to this country than > "just" preventing that plane from crashing into the WH or Capitol. > > [0] And possibly the Europeans too, but there's a different dynamic > there, given that there haven't been pioneers in Europe since the > neolithic era. > > -- > Ron Johnson, Jr. > Jefferson LA USA [...] I believe the women on flight 93 helped out, too. Anyway, help me out here. The people on flight 93 KNEW that the other planes were deliberately slammed into buildings. They KNEW it was DO OR DIE. The people on the other flights DID NOT KNOW THAT. Until 9/11, hijackers usually don't slam the plane into a building or anything else that kills everyone aboard. IIRC they usually take the plane to a hostile country or make some demands or whatever. Also, the 9/11 hijackers probably killed the pilots. I really find it hard to believe any pilot would allow someone to fly his plane into a building. Are the two of you blaming the pilots for getting killed? Don't forget that the element of surprise can be an enormous advantage. What did you expect them to do? Talk about blaming the victim. Talk about being overcritical. Ron, Your other posts in this thread are very good. Thanks! AEF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:45:04 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article <1185840161.601200.18760@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >On Jul 30, 1:41 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> In article <1185733582.741490.41...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >> >> >On Jul 29, 1:22 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> >> Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> > The whole "they'll like us when we stop supporting Israel" idea is a >> >> > steaming pile of shit. >> >> >> You wouldn't be able to grasp more evolved concepts such as "our blind >> >> support for Israel prevents establishement of a real peace in middle >> >> east". It is VERY different than what you stated above. >> >> >More bologna from you. It is the Arab's refusal to accept even the >> >existence of Israel that prevents the establishment of real peace. >> >> Are you really that ignorant of the situation ? >> Yasser Arafat and the PLO accepted Israels right to exist over a decade ago !! >> This was formally confirmed when Arafat exchanged letters of PLO-Israel >> recognition with the Yitzhak Rabin in 1993. > >Right. That was a big step forward ... NOT! I heard they still had it >in their charter to destroy Israel and move in. Then you heard wrong. The charter was formally revised in the presence of Bill Clinton in 1998. From http://www.adl.org/israel/advocacy/glossary/plo.asp " Following secret negotiations with Israel in Oslo, on September 9, 1993, Arafat sent a letter to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin recognizing Israel's right to exist, renouncing terrorism, and pledging to remove clauses in the Palestine National Charter calling for the destruction of Israel. In return, Israel recognized the PLO as the "official representative" of the Palestinian people and began formal negotiations with the PLO. The Charter was revised in the presence of U.S. President Bill Clinton in December 1998. However, the original Charter is still featured on some Palestinian Authority Web sites. " which you might note is an Israeli advocacy site. > Yes, I painted with >too broad a brush. Many Arabs do recognize the existence of Israel, >hence the Arab League's move to recognize it, relations, etc., if >Israel would move back to the 1967 borders. > >But the PLO isn't really much of a factor now. OK, Fatah is, and there >is *some* hope with them. To all intents and purposes Fatah is the PLO. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah#History " Fatah joined the PLO and won the leadership role in 1969, after which the other constituent members the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine were marginalized. " >And actions speak louder than words. And >Hezbollah and Hamas certainly don't even pretend to recognize Israel. > As I mentioned in another post Hamas have made nods in the direction of recognising Israel but only as part of a final solution when a Palestinian state has been established. Having seen that it made little difference to Israels treatment of Arafat and his moderates it probably doesn't make much sense for the Hamas leadership to risk upsetting it's more hardline supporters. This is similar to Sinn Fein and the IRAs quandry over disarmament in Northern Ireland - something which only happened at the end of the peace process. >> See http://www.earlham.edu/~pss/yasser_arafat.htm > >Looks like a biased write-up to me. Even if the write-up is truthful, >other Arabs continued to cause trouble as the same write-up says. I'm >sure you can find write-ups of Arafat biased totally in the other >direction. I see no reason to go with this one. > If you look on the web for pages on the Israel-palestinian conflict you can find pages biased in every possible way. However since I was only referencing that page to support the fact that Arafat had accepted Israels right to exist and had signed an agreement to that effect with Yitzhak Rabin it's slant on events is irrelevent unless you believe that event did not take place. >> Given the lack of progress toward an independent Palestinian state since it >> isn't particularly surprising that the more extreme Hamas party won the January >> 2006 Palestinian parlimentary elections. > >Hmmm. Some choice: Corrupt Fatah or Hamas. Do you want to die by >hanging or the electric chair? > >And their votes didn't get them any more progress towards a state, did >it now? > Which unless the cycle is broken by real dialogue between the Palestinians and Israelis will just lead to even more bloodshed on both sides which will fuel recruitment for terrorists intent on spreading the conflict around the globe. >> >> >Israel withdrew UNILATERALLY and UNCONDITIONALLY from Gaza, and looked >> >what happened. >> >> Unfortunately too little too late and done on Israeli terms rather than as part >> of wider talks on a permanent solution embracing the West Bank and Jerusalem. >> Many Palestinians saw it, unfortunately, as Israel only reacting to force. > >It is incredible that anyone could complain about the withdrawal. It >was a very expensive and emotionally painful process for the Israelis. >On Israel's terms? Like what: to defend itself against the continue >rocket attacks and ambushes? Horrors! Give me a break! > Precisely - a reaction by Israel to force. Therefore boosting support for hardline groups such as Hamas which are seen to have achieved something which negotiation had failed to achieve. If instead this had been presented as part of a peace deal with the moderate Palestinians then this would have boosted their support and acted to calm the situation. Though of course to do that Israel would also have needed to have stopped building their illegal wall and boosting their illegal settlements in the west bank. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >Just what terms would you expect? I have an idea. Why not invite the >Israelis back in! And then negotiate a second withdrawal. How about >that? > >> >> See >> >> http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/18/Worldandnation/Israel_leaves_Gaza_h... > >Oh, please. If the P's would stop attacking Israel and work on their >own progress for a change, something good might happen for them. >Arafat had billions of dollars! Why didn't he use any of that to help >the P's? I've read that the P's get more foreign aid per capita than >anyone else on earth and still they have nothing better to do than >attack Israel and then complain when Israel defends itself! Egypt and >Jordan eventually expressed a true desire for peace with Israel and >they got back all the land they wanted (they apparently didn't want >the P's!) > >> David Webb >> Security team leader >> CCSS > >AEF > >[...] > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:53:11 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185925991.267428.175810@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 31, 1:30 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1185761687.729407.239...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes:>On Jul 29, 8:58 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > >> AEF wrote: > >> > It doesn't matter what the US does. Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., want to > >> > destroy the state of Israel. THEY'VE PLAINLY AND LOUDLY SAID SO! > > >> They acceptance of Israel's existance will be the RESULT of succesful > >> negotiations. The USA/Israel require them to accept Israel as a > >> pre-condition for negotiations. > > >Ridiculous. How do you negotiate with someone who wants to destroy > >you? I don't think Hamas or Hezbollah even wants to negotiate. Fatah > >maybe. > > Although Hamas doesn't officially recognise Israel they definitely want the > establishment of a Palestinian state and have recognised the existence of So why do they not make the right moves to make a state? They could have had a state numerous times. > Israel as a reality both now and after the formation of such a state > > see > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1802862,00.html It appears that Hamas did this under pressure from Abbas according to this article. Now that Hamas has defeated Fatah in Gaza I suspect it may not mean anything anymore. And why are they still firing rockets into Israel? They got their land back. Why don't they stop fighting Israel and start building a country? > > and > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel-a-reality-hamas-leader-admits... This article seems to show the Hamas leader admitting Israel is here to stay. But they still have their priorities wrong. > > The only way out of this conflict is for bitter enemies to negotiate in good > faith. Good luck. > Who would have thought that Gerry Adam's Sinn Fein and Ian Paisley's > DUP could be working together in running Northern Ireland a decade ago. There's a big difference: Sinn Fein never had plans to kill all the Britons and take over the UK. They had much more limited objectives. Something about a parade in a certain town in N. Ireland and a say in N. Ireland matters or whatever. Anyway, I make no judgments on that matter in this post. I'm just pointing out the enormous difference in goals. Too much difference to make this analogy useful. > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > [...] AEF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:02:07 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185926527.290302.19680@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 31, 7:45 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1185840161.601200.18...@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > >On Jul 30, 1:41 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > >> In article <1185733582.741490.41...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > >> >On Jul 29, 1:22 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > >> >> Ron Johnson wrote: [...] > > >> >Israel withdrew UNILATERALLY and UNCONDITIONALLY from Gaza, and looked > >> >what happened. > > >> Unfortunately too little too late and done on Israeli terms rather than as part > >> of wider talks on a permanent solution embracing the West Bank and Jerusalem. > >> Many Palestinians saw it, unfortunately, as Israel only reacting to force. > > >It is incredible that anyone could complain about the withdrawal. It > >was a very expensive and emotionally painful process for the Israelis. > >On Israel's terms? Like what: to defend itself against the continue > >rocket attacks and ambushes? Horrors! Give me a break! > > Precisely - a reaction by Israel to force. Therefore boosting support for > hardline groups such as Hamas which are seen to have achieved something which > negotiation had failed to achieve. If instead this had been presented as part > of a peace deal with the moderate Palestinians then this would have boosted > their support and acted to calm the situation. Though of course to do that > Israel would also have needed to have stopped building their illegal wall and > boosting their illegal settlements in the west bank. I don't have time to respond to the rest of your post [omitted] right now but I want to respond to this paragraph. Israel's occupation of Gaza was a big mistake. It was very little gain at a great cost in several ways. Sharon finally realized this and moved the settlers out. Israel did make it clear that if the settlers were attacked as they left Gaza it would be very, very bad for the Palestinians. Smartly, they listened!!! So Israel made a big mistake years ago and now has to pay whatever cost in undoing the mistake, which was minimized by what I said in the previous sentence. I'm out of time for now. More later this week or on the weekend! > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS [...] AEF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:08:50 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article <1185840636.914833.129570@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >On Jul 30, 1:42 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> Dirk Munk wrote: >> > The state of Israel exists since the UN more or less established it in >> > 1948. The existence of the state of Israel or acceptance of this fact >> > is not negotiable. >> >> If Israel agreed to the UN declared borders of 1967, it would go a long >> way towards easing the situation. > >If if if. If the Arabs accepted the 1948 partition, if they didn't try >to destroy Israel in 1948, and 1967, and 1973, etc. If they didn't >start the Intifadas. If, if, if. The P's never missed an opportunity >to miss an opportunity [citation needed]. > >> >> Hamas and others are not exactly very law abiding governments. But they >> are in power legally. > >Say what? Could you be a little more vague? > >> >> Israel has all the cards in its hands. It can build walls in their >> territory, it can send the mililtary and bomb civilians, it controls a >> large proportion of all financial transactions in palestine etc etc etc. >> And Israel has decided it even has the right to arrest and detain >> Palestinian government officials and elected representatives. >> >> Palestine has no control over Israel, and as a result, the relationship >> is very uneven with Israel being far more powerful. > >Yes, this is true. If it weren't true, there'd be no Israel left. > >> >> So when the time comes to "negotiate", all Hamas has to offer is the >> cessation of terrorist acts against Israel and recognition of Israel. >> And they have a very long list of demands. So they aren't about to >> squander any one of those 2 cards for a very small subset of what >> Palestine needs Israel to do/agree to. > >Then how did Egypt and Jordan do so well without using this strategy? > >> >> And this is why Israel's demand that Palestine stop the terrorist acts >> and recognise Israel as a precondition of negotiations is done to insure >> no negotiations happen. Those 2 conditions must be seen as the result >> of negotiations, not a precondition. > >As I've said before, this is nonsense. > >> >> And whenever Israel resists agreeing to some of the Palestinian demands, >> Hamas can increase the amount of terrorism to increase the "negotiating >> value" of that card until Israel's political situation gets so tired of >> the terrorism that they agree to some concession. This is definitely not >> a healthy situation. Yes it's going to be a long process involving both carrots and sticks. Exactly the same point was made about the IRA retaining arms during the Northern Ireland peace process. Somehow though we have ended up with a peaceful Northern Ireland which is still part of the United Kingdom. Maybe someday Northern Ireland will join with the republic to form a United Ireland but that will only happen through democratic peaceful means. > >What concession? Hamas wants to destroy Israel, kill all the Israeli >Jews, and take its land for itself! What's to negotiate? > Groups stated positions and what they will accept after negotiation often differ considerably (not that I believe that your statement above is an accurate reflection of Hamas stated position anyway). The IRAs stated aim was to bring about a United Ireland by force of arms. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >AEF > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 01:01:44 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article <1185845107.304275.215520@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >On Jul 30, 1:41 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> In article <1185733582.741490.41...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >> >> >On Jul 29, 1:22 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> >> Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> > The whole "they'll like us when we stop supporting Israel" idea is a >> >> > steaming pile of shit. >> >> >> You wouldn't be able to grasp more evolved concepts such as "our blind >> >> support for Israel prevents establishement of a real peace in middle >> >> east". It is VERY different than what you stated above. >> >> >More bologna from you. It is the Arab's refusal to accept even the >> >existence of Israel that prevents the establishment of real peace. > >Again, I shouldn't have implied all Arabs. Those who offered >diplomatic relations (or whatever the phrase is) for returning to the >1967 borders took a big step in the right direction, though I think >that offer also has some serious sticking points (at least one, >anyway). > >> Are you really that ignorant of the situation ? >> Yasser Arafat and the PLO accepted Israels right to exist over a decade ago !! >> This was formally confirmed when Arafat exchanged letters of PLO-Israel >> recognition with the Yitzhak Rabin in 1993. >> >> See http://www.earlham.edu/~pss/yasser_arafat.htm > >See > > http://www.faithsforfairness.org/article4.htm > >for the opposing viewpoint. > I like the last line " Now that Arafat is dead, there are expectations of establishing a democratic and peaceful Palestinian state. " As I said before you can find pages on the web about the Palestine-Israeli conflict with all kinds of biases. One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. In many many cases terrorists have gone on to become politians eg Nelson Mandela - Head of the ANC's armed wing Martin McGuiness - Second in command of provisional IRA in Derry in 1972 (Now Deputy first minister of Northern Ireland) Menachem Begin - Leader of Irgun terrorist group which blew up buses and famously the King David Hotel in 1946 in it's campagn against both the British and Arabs in Palestine. (Became Israeli Prime minister in 1977). David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >> >[...] > >AEF > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:16:59 -0700 From: Verne Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: <1185909419.045802.167980@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Jul 31, 9:58 am, "Maciej W. Rozycki" wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Ben Myers wrote: > > Most of the cable adapters I've seen are for co-ax monitors to SVGA 15-pin > > graphics cards. You need the opposite. Not sure if they exist. I wonder if > > one of the cable adapters would work if reversed? For sure, do not even > > consider a flat panel LCD monitor with a digital video interface connector. > > DEC and later Compaq used to offer a suitable adapter box with three BNC > inputs as of a monitor on one side and a HD15 output on the other. Its > order number was 29-32549-01, priced at $30 back in 2000. > > Iiyama used to offer a similar "reverse" adapter cable as with some of > their newer CRTs, e.g. ones with two HD15 inputs only, they recognised the > lack of a BNC input as a shortcoming. The order number was MB31, IIRC. > Similar parts may be available from independent manufacturers of > cables/adapters too. > > Alternatively, if the workstation's graphics output is 3W3, then DEC and > later Compaq used to offer 3W3 to HD15 adapter cables. Their order > numbers were 17-03851-01 and 17-04816-01, priced at $86 and $66 back in > 2002, respectively. > > For any of the former DEC parts you could certainly try asking HP through > their support channel, but chances are they have gone out of stock now. > I have got a pair of the 17-04816-01 cables which I use with my DECstation > and VAXstation gear, so 1) they do exist and 2) they work. I spotted one > on eBay once too. > > Of course all these solutions will result in some signal quality > degradation, but that is unavoidable anyway if you use analogue signalling > and HD15 connectors. > > Maciej see the thread VGA video adapter for Vaxstation 4000 model 60 at http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/993aec8e7249992c that talks some about VGA cables and adapters (including a detailed post of mine on several options I have used, including one on my 19 inch ViewSonic LCD). Verne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:34:34 -0700 From: Jim Subject: Re: remote shutdown/startup of MSA1000? Message-ID: <1185914074.223319.13990@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 31, 4:13 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Is there a supported (or unsupported) way of remote MSA1000 shutdown or > startup? I had a look in the contoller and switch commands and manuals, > but cannot see any. > > IN fct there does not seem to be any way of orderly shutdown, just a power > button. Perhaps it's all right for a storage array.. > > thanks > anton > > -- > Anton Shterenlikht > Room 2.6, Queen's Building > Mech Eng Dept > Bristol University > University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK > Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 > Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 My understanding of the MSA1000 is that the only method of shutdown is to remove power. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:58:25 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: remote shutdown/startup of MSA1000? Message-ID: Jim wrote: > On Jul 31, 4:13 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >>Is there a supported (or unsupported) way of remote MSA1000 shutdown or >>startup? I had a look in the contoller and switch commands and manuals, >>but cannot see any. >> >>IN fct there does not seem to be any way of orderly shutdown, just a power >>button. Perhaps it's all right for a storage array.. >> >>thanks >>anton > > My understanding of the MSA1000 is that the only method of shutdown is > to remove power. What about the MSA_UTIL reset command? That will restart the controller it is issued to. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:36:55 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Serial Ports on Alpha Message-ID: Fair enough Willl put the question to him DT "FredK" wrote in message news:f8laqr$af0$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > > "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in > message news:WHori.10505$ae7.3179@bignews7.bellsouth.net... >> Does anyone know if ANYONE has created a driver for multiple USB-Comm >> ports (for modem use etc) (VMS 7.3-2) >> >> Customer has cost restrictions and can't pay big money for the Digi board >> PBXDA serial port cards. >> >> Also - PCI modems for Alpha >> Anyone Anyone??? >> > > I can't say what Forrest might have sent out as "freeware" for V7.3-2 - so > there might be something out there. We do not officially support the USB > serial multiplexers on Alpha - because we have not done qual for them (I > actually test and use them on Alpha all the time - just because a DS10 is > my development machine) - and because the only officially supported USB > port (physical USB connection ) is on the EV7. > > Serial Mux drivers were not shipped in V7.3-2. It did not show up until > V8.2 when the driver for the Prolific chipset was first introduced. If > the customer moves to V8.3 - then code for a number of devices shipped for > support on IA64 - but they are also in the V8.3 Alpha kit undocumented and > not explicitly supported. > > The Prolific chipset and FTDI chipsets are the most commonly used chips in > the consumer market - and there are drivers for them. The Digi Edgeport > series (for the OLDER chips made by Inside Out Networks) is there as well > (but it needs a patch to make modem signals work right - which is out for > IA64, but since it isn't "officially" how we support serial lines on > Alpha - no patch is out for Alpha). An ECO is also out for IA64 for > support of the newer Digi boxes that changed for RoH and use a TI based > chipset. > > So the question for you/them is do they need official support. If they do > they are out-of-luck - they can contact Leo Demers and try to convince us > to do qual for it - but that also requires an official physical USB > connection for non-EV7 systems - so we would need to find/qual a USB PCI > card... that's not going to happen. > > If they don't care if it is supported, and promise to NEVER EVER EVER ask > for anything that resembles support from ANYONE at HP. I might find a way > to build a set of images for V7.3-2. > > Or convince them to move to an IA64 :-) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:58:54 -0700 From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: VAX 3100-80 hangs during backup Message-ID: <1185908334.446608.95100@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> System is a 3100-80 with 32megs and VMS 7.3. The boot disk is a RZ29B. I was using a HP C1537A DDS-3 dat tape for backup. The system is also part of a 2 node VAXcluster.The other system is a MicroVAX 3100. Each node within the cluster boots off its own system disk. A week or so ago I shut down the cluster for maint and replacing the C1537A and adding a single DLT 4000 tape drive for backup use. Rebooted the cluster with no problems well maybe. Now the 3100-80 will hang when I do a backup. Any disk attached to the 3100-80 will cause the system to hang. I tired the dat tape, the dlt tape and the model 80 will slowly stop responding. I even shut down the cluster and tried a standalone with no luck. The 80 hangs at different files so I cannot say its one specific file or directory. If I start backup from the other node backup works okay. I use the standard command on both systems $ backup/image/log/record/media=comp/ignore=interlock any thoughts?? phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:40:09 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: VAX 3100-80 hangs during backup Message-ID: In article <1185908334.446608.95100@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" writes: >System is a 3100-80 with 32megs and VMS 7.3. The boot disk is a >RZ29B. I was using a HP C1537A DDS-3 dat tape for backup. The system >is also part of a 2 node VAXcluster.The other system is a MicroVAX >3100. Each node within the cluster boots off its own system disk. A >week or so ago I shut down the cluster for maint and replacing the >C1537A and adding a single DLT 4000 tape drive for backup use. >Rebooted the cluster with no problems well maybe. Now the 3100-80 >will hang when I do a backup. Any disk attached to the 3100-80 will >cause the system to hang. I tired the dat tape, the dlt tape and the >model 80 will slowly stop responding. I even shut down the cluster and >tried a standalone with no luck. The 80 hangs at different files so I >cannot say its one specific file or directory. If I start backup from >the other node backup works okay. I use the standard command on both >systems >$ backup/image/log/record/media=comp/ignore=interlock >any thoughts?? Are you sure that you don't have a SCSI-ID mismatch? Just a thought. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:58:56 -0400 From: Joel Loveless Subject: Re: VAX 3100-80 hangs during backup Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:58:54 -0700, "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" wrote: >System is a 3100-80 with 32megs and VMS 7.3. The boot disk is a >RZ29B. I was using a HP C1537A DDS-3 dat tape for backup. The system >is also part of a 2 node VAXcluster.The other system is a MicroVAX >3100. Each node within the cluster boots off its own system disk. A >week or so ago I shut down the cluster for maint and replacing the >C1537A and adding a single DLT 4000 tape drive for backup use. >Rebooted the cluster with no problems well maybe. Now the 3100-80 >will hang when I do a backup. Any disk attached to the 3100-80 will >cause the system to hang. I tired the dat tape, the dlt tape and the >model 80 will slowly stop responding. I even shut down the cluster and >tried a standalone with no luck. The 80 hangs at different files so I >cannot say its one specific file or directory. If I start backup from >the other node backup works okay. I use the standard command on both >systems >$ backup/image/log/record/media=comp/ignore=interlock >any thoughts?? >phil My experience with 31XX systems is that a SCSI bus error or conflict will cause a system to hang. I would like to know the disk setup, SCSI id's and how many devices are connected to each SCSI bus. The 3180 system supports 2 SCSI buses, try connecting the tape drive to the second bus as the only device on the bus. Also check the terminator on the tape drive, 3180 systems are single ended SCSI and require a terminator block on the tape drive. I am assuming that the DLT4000 is an external device. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:57:46 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall Message-ID: <20070731175746.GA11080@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:33:37PM +0000, Tad Winters wrote: > Anton Shterenlikht wrote in > news:20070731083210.GA79688@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: > > [snip..] > > > > > The frontend is FBSD 6.2 with IPF. The port forwarding rules, I > > can think of, wll only allow me to forward to a particular IP address > > in a particular node, e.g.: > > > > rdr xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx port 22 -> 192.168.0.xxx port 22 > > > > So this node then becomes a single point of failure. As far as I > > can see, I cannot have a host name in the above rule. Ideally, I'd like > > to have some sort of load balancing, i.e. let the users log into > > different nodes chosen automatically based on the current load, which is, > > I think, is the idea behind a cluster alias. > > > > It sounds like the *nix firewall becomes the single point of failure. sure, but that is not my immediate concern. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:32:41 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall Message-ID: Anton Shterenlikht wrote in news:20070731175746.GA11080@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:33:37PM +0000, Tad Winters wrote: >> Anton Shterenlikht wrote in >> news:20070731083210.GA79688@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk: >> >> [snip..] >> >> > >> > The frontend is FBSD 6.2 with IPF. The port forwarding rules, >> > I >> > can think of, wll only allow me to forward to a particular IP >> > address in a particular node, e.g.: >> > >> > rdr xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx port 22 -> 192.168.0.xxx port 22 >> > >> > So this node then becomes a single point of failure. As far as >> > I >> > can see, I cannot have a host name in the above rule. Ideally, I'd >> > like to have some sort of load balancing, i.e. let the users log >> > into different nodes chosen automatically based on the current >> > load, which is, I think, is the idea behind a cluster alias. >> > >> >> It sounds like the *nix firewall becomes the single point of failure. > > sure, but that is not my immediate concern. > What? You _are_ concerned that someone outside the firewall won't be able to get to your cluster if a specific node of your cluster goes down, but you _are_not_ concerned that someone won't be able to get to your cluster if the firewall goes down? It sounds like a more capable firewall is what is really needed. An analogy: Suppose you have an estate with three attached buildings. The entire estate is enclosed by large wall. Paths from the doors on each building lead out to the wall. The lawns of the estate are delicate, and you would never walk on them. Your choices are: - install the basic gate which only allows you to take one path to one building. - install 3 of the basic gates which each allow you to take a path to a different building. - install the basic gate which takes you to another small building you construct which in turn allows you to take the path to any of the buildings. - install a deluxe gate in the wall that allows you to take the path to any of the buildings. It's possible for the gates to break and for the small building to collapse. A gate could break in the open position, but it is more likely it will break in a closed position. The more you pay for a gate or small building, the less likely it is to break. A small building takes away real estate from the lawns. Each gate and small building consumes approximately the same amount of power. What would you choose? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:10:05 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall Message-ID: <20070731211005.GA50438@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 08:32:41PM +0000, Tad Winters wrote: > Anton Shterenlikht wrote in > >> > >> It sounds like the *nix firewall becomes the single point of failure. > > > > sure, but that is not my immediate concern. > > What? You _are_ concerned that someone outside the firewall won't be > able to get to your cluster if a specific node of your cluster goes down, > but you _are_not_ concerned that someone won't be able to get to your > cluster if the firewall goes down? My immediate concern is to bring the cluster alive and start using and learning it. All I want now is to be able to access each node in the cluster through the firewall. However, I do, of course, understand what you mean. If I'll be able to demonstrate that my cluster is secure, perhaps in future the network security guys will let me connect the cluster to the Uni network directly. thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:57:36 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall Message-ID: From: Paul Raulerson [mailto:paul@raulersons.com] Sent: July 31, 2007 1:52 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: Re: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall > It sounds like the *nix firewall becomes the single point of failure. The first SPOF is the actual firewall, but they have probably addressed tha= t by putting some kind of fail-over system in. For example, I use multiple = Cisco ASA's here at work. Should one fail, the second one picks up the load= , including the dozens of active VPN sessions connecting our remote offices= . In terms of the Linux proxy-like server, that can be addressed several ways= too - I would probably use a virutal server and a second backup hardware p= latform, such as a blade. Means I have to spend 5 minutes with it if it fa= ils, but it is fast and simple. Otherwise, I would address it with any of a= number of HA solutions. -Paul +++++++++ The problem with simple load balancing schemes is that they are to simple f= or HA environments. They are based only on connections e.g. number of conne= ctions per server and/or round robin. The simple connection load balancing = schemes do not allow for varying CPU loads, memory usage, batch environment= s etc. One server in the cluster can be 100% busy and still participate in = receiving new connections via the rounds robin scheme from the load balance= r. Or a server could be hung and subsequent connections from the round robi= n scheme will also hang. It is likely way over what is required here (a single server directing requ= ests is major SPOF), but for large HA environments, you need a scheme which= takes into account host resource usage and utilization, NIC teaming as wel= l as providing the SysMgr with the capability to dynamically direct new use= rs to specific servers in the cluster while not interrupting current server= connections to existing servers. See my earlier note: http://tinyurl.com/235epl (TCPIP Load Broker and Metric Server). Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:45:34 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall Message-ID: <007601c7d3dd$a71d0ac0$f5572040$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Main, Kerry [mailto:Kerry.Main@hp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:58 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: RE: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall > > From: Paul Raulerson [mailto:paul@raulersons.com] > Sent: July 31, 2007 1:52 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall > > > It sounds like the *nix firewall becomes the single point of failure. > The first SPOF is the actual firewall, but they have probably addressed > that by putting some kind of fail-over system in. For example, I use > multiple Cisco ASA's here at work. Should one fail, the second one > picks up the load, including the dozens of active VPN sessions > connecting our remote offices. > In terms of the Linux proxy-like server, that can be addressed several > ways too - I would probably use a virutal server and a second backup > hardware platform, such as a blade. Means I have to spend 5 minutes > with it if it fails, but it is fast and simple. Otherwise, I would > address it with any of a number of HA solutions. > -Paul > > +++++++++ > > The problem with simple load balancing schemes is that they are to > simple for HA environments. They are based only on connections e.g. > number of connections per server and/or round robin. > I was speaking from a UNIX point of view Kerry, but you are right. When I said "make it as complex as you wish" I was rather obliquely addressing that issue. For example, it is rather simple to remotely ask a UNIX server how many users it has on it and what it's load is. It is even simpler, and more efficient, to run a small daemon on each remote machine which gathers that information and provides it upon demand. (I have a homegrown system in place that does that now and it works very well - not only for interactive logins, but for web, batch, and printer loads as well.) I do not know the corresponding methods to gather that infomration on VMS, but I am pretty sure they are there. As a SPOF issue, it's pretty easy to address in the UNIX world, there are literally dozens of possible HA solutions, ranging from active-passive / active-active failover to clustering. It sounds to me like our friend here is involved in a "prove it!" issue with the VMS systems, and so getting them up and running is more profitable than worrying about SPOF issues right now; let the SPOF issues become a problem for the "unix people" would be my way of handling it. -Paul >The simple > connection load balancing schemes do not allow for varying CPU loads, > memory usage, batch environments etc. One server in the cluster can be > 100% busy and still participate in receiving new connections via the > rounds robin scheme from the load balancer. Or a server could be hung > and subsequent connections from the round robin scheme will also hang. > > It is likely way over what is required here (a single server directing > requests is major SPOF), but for large HA environments, you need a > scheme which takes into account host resource usage and utilization, > NIC teaming as well as providing the SysMgr with the capability to > dynamically direct new users to specific servers in the cluster while > not interrupting current server connections to existing servers. > > See my earlier note: > http://tinyurl.com/235epl (TCPIP Load Broker and Metric Server). > > Regards > > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:02:36 -0700 From: Jose Baars Subject: What I would like in VMS: copy/sftp Message-ID: <1185904956.304433.23510@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> COPY /SFTP Transfers files between hosts with possibly dissimilar file systems over a TCP/IP connection using the sftp utility. COPY /SFTP input-filespec output-filespec Additional information available: Parameters Qualifiers /KEYFILE /KEYPASSWORD /FDL /LOG /VERBOSE Examples /KEYFILE Name of the file containing the public key to authenticate the user on the other system. If the password for the user is given as well, both methods of authentication will be tried. /KEYPASSWORD Password to unlock the private key with. The password is case-sensitive. Default: no password. /LOG Displays a message at SYS$OUTPUT when a file is transferred. /FDL This qualifier is optional. Causes interaction with an FDL (file definition language) file. If the file is being copied to the local OpenVMS system, a remote FDL file is sought and interpreted for the operation. If the file is being copied outside the local OpenVMS system, an FDL file is generated and copied in addition to the requested file. If the /FDL qualifier is specified and the vendor application does not support it, a warning message may be issued. /VERBOSE Specifies whether all messages (including banner messages) are to be displayed on the terminal. By default, display of messages is disabled Examples: 1. copy/sftp login.com dudsy"fred flintstone"::"/home/fred/" File login.com is copied to remote system dusy and placed in directory /home/fred. 2. copy/sftp freds:[furniture...]*.*;* bedrock"wilma"::"/home/wilma" - /keyfile=[user1.ssh2]towilma.pub/keypass="ilovefred" Copies the directorytree under disk1:[furniture...] to remote system bedrock. Directory furniture will be created under /home/wilma, the rest of the tree will end up under this directory. Public key authentication is used, in directory [user1.ssh2] both public key file towilma.pub and private key file towilma.; must be present. The keypassword is used to decrypt the private keyfile. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jul 2007 15:24:03 -0500 From: cornelius@encompasserve.org (George Cornelius) Subject: Re: XMODEM for VMS Message-ID: In article <46922af9$1@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman writes: >George Cornelius wrote: [...] >> Multinet considered "binary" to mean >> that only the _content_ was transferred and no count information - >> so the arriving .OBJ had no record information and no means of >> reconstructing it. Multinet to Multinet tended to work because >> Multinet had its own method of transferring the VMS attribute >> information. [...] >Now, it would certainly appear that Multinet's inability to transfer the >.OBJ file as pure binary is a bug. Has anyone ever reported this and >requested a fix? On the other hand, this is an issue that I have never >seen in more than 15 years of using FTP between both VMS and non-VMS >systems. It seems to only be an issue when UCX is in the mix. I just tried it from Windows XP using the 'cygwin' environment to fetch a text file (record type VARIABLE) created here on EISNER and served up via Multinet ftp. Here's the 5 line text file: 1 ab 123 abcd 12345 Here's what I see after using the WinXP-based ftp client to fetch the file: I. Original text file, no attribute changes: (a) Text mode fetch: data arrives with terminators (b) Binary mode fetch: data arrives with terminators II. Same, but after doing $ SET FILE/ATTRIB=RAT:NONE (eliminate implied CR) at EISNER's VMS prompt, to simulate a binary variable length format: (a) Text mode fetch: only the 'data' arrives - no terminators or counts (b) Binary mode fetch: identical I also verified item (II) from a WinXP command prompt just to rule out the possibility of cygwin/WinXP ftp client differences. >I once had to use a system that had TCPIP services installed. After >reaching a sufficient level of frustration with that package's FTP >client, I simply installed HGFTP and all FTP issues disappeared. I >believe that particular package supports both STRU O VMS and +VMS+. I suspect you have become hooked on the STRU O VMS feature, but the UCX ftp server seems to handle binary the way Unix does: it supplies the pure contents of the file with no interpretation. And it has done it this way beginning with quite early versions of UCX. -- George Cornelius cornelius(at)eisner.decus.org cornelius(at)mayo.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.417 ************************