INFO-VAX Wed, 03 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 540 Contents: compatible disk for vaxstation 4000 model 90 DEGPA-TA on XP1000/667 Re: DEGPA-TA on XP1000/667 Re: despair DSPP PAK diffs I64/Alpha Fastest proxy free and safe ALL SITES ALLOWED Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems SmartArray errors on system boot still not convinced global warming a hoax? Re: still not convinced global warming a hoax? Re: Time to PAK it in? Re: Time to PAK it in? VMS Apache on older versions? Re: VMS Apache on older versions? Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:27:58 -0700 From: mrkhairy@yahoo.com Subject: compatible disk for vaxstation 4000 model 90 Message-ID: <1191400078.658535.158690@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Hi, just want to share in this forum, i've tested this HP disk and its works fine under openvms 7.2 Model : 2490-60062 Primary Rev Code : 3430 C8QQ5 W3009D2.29 if anyone have their vaxstation original disk RZxxx failed, you could use this and it works. I performed backup/image from other disk to this disk and it works. Managed to boot my vaxstation 4000 from this disk Rgds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:20:43 GMT From: Vance Haemmerle Subject: DEGPA-TA on XP1000/667 Message-ID: Has anyone run a Gigabit Ethernet DEGPA-TA on an XP1000 667MHz system? The supported options say DEGPA-SA (the fiber version of the card) is supported but there is no mention of the -TA copper version. I'm assuming they are very similar. -- Vance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:10:47 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: DEGPA-TA on XP1000/667 Message-ID: Logicwise they are the same. I have seen a few XP1000 come thru here with DEGPA-TA If you need one we have them in stock too! David "Vance Haemmerle" wrote in message news:L9JMi.601$lD6.478@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > Has anyone run a Gigabit Ethernet DEGPA-TA on an XP1000 > 667MHz system? The supported options say DEGPA-SA (the > fiber version of the card) is supported but there is no > mention of the -TA copper version. I'm assuming they are > very similar. > > -- > Vance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:37:08 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: despair Message-ID: <1191400628.162648.219150@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 8:12 am, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > > In article <5lo8a3F96a8...@mid.individual.net>, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > {...snip...} > >>The Amish would disagree with your notion regarding powertools just > >>as I disagree with your notion regarding the computer languages!! > >>Both of them are merely your opinion. > > > Many of the younger generation Amish are moving away from those > > traditions and accepting some of the ways of the outside. > > Many people accept MS as the epitome of computing today. What's your > point? Sad but true. The Washington Legal Foundation had an ad on the op-ed page of the 2007-03-26 NY Times opening with this: "These days, our legal and regulatory system seems to only create jobs for lawyers, accountants, and bureaucrats, while scaring away the next Bill Gates or Warren Buffet." Thomas Friedman wrote something similar -- I think in regard to education in the US vs. the rest of the world, but I'm not sure and I can't find that column right now -- about Bill Gates. Nicholas Kristoff wondered in a NY Times op-ed column on 2002-01-15: "We're [the USA is] accused of inflicting Big Macs, Microsoft Windows and Julia Roberts on the helpless masses. (These are crimes?)" I recall a letter to the editor (yes, same rag) saying we should employ the "genius of Bill Gates" to write software to help blind people or something like that. AUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! > Anyone who knows the Amish and is familiar with the quality of their > products would know that the young aren't leaving cause they can do > a better job with modern tools. They are leaving because the outside > world has forced its way into the Amish lifestyle and the young people > have had their first taste of hedonism. It's a lot like the garden of > eden or Pandora'a Box. What they don't have looks desirable but they > don't realize that they are making a one way trip. > > As for the quality of their products, go visit an Amish farm sometime. > Look at the quality of the house, the barn, the outbuildings. The food. > The clothing. Anything they make. And then tell me you can buy better > quality (not style, quality) in Walwart. And, guess what, it's all > made in America, too. :-) I'm not sure it was said that you can't write quality code with "bad languages", only that it was harder and required more care and may take more time. Assuming that's true, you can blame the programmers all you want, but if you have a pool of programmers and give them a variety of programs to write, and give them a variety of languages to use -- shake well -- I'd bet that a higher percentage of programs written in "bad languages" will have more faults or be of poorer quality than those written with "good languages". Again, assuming the premise is true, which I don't think you disputed. So tell me about the quality of Amish lasers and such. And how about their satellites? ;-) (Just jesting about the limitations of tools, not meant to be mean-spirited.) > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > b...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include One of the very few sigs worthy of repeated postings. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:08:21 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: DSPP PAK diffs I64/Alpha Message-ID: FYI, made a list paks in Alpha but not IA64 http://www.kednos.com/missing.txt -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:03:40 -0000 From: "Mr.A" Subject: Fastest proxy free and safe ALL SITES ALLOWED Message-ID: <1191420220.264473.57770@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> Hi friends we have a best proxy and faster proxy we dont have any site on our block list it means you can access each and every site which is present our servers are of high spec so dont worry you will get highest speed here is our url www.adsensekw.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:22:39 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Message-ID: On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:00:46 -0700, wrote: > Note that the architecture of Itanium and Java are big memory > consumers. 256 Mb ram on Intel x86 32bits is roughly equivalent to 4 > Gb ram on Itanium. How would you compare it Alpha? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:37:29 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: SmartArray errors on system boot Message-ID: <1191425849.767217.202610@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Hiya, I've got about five logs open with support at the moment, but I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced similar... I've got a mix of 5302A and 6402A SmartArray cards in Alphas and, more recently, a couple of A9890A 6402 SmartArrays in a couple of Integrity servers (one per server). When the system boots, the system logs errors against the PK port device (SCSI bus resets maybe?) then, usually, calms down and behaves itself. The disks never log any errors. At first we thought maybe a bad card. When a second one did it we thought maybe the MSA30 shelves that they are connected to were the culprits, maybe having their interface cards damaged in transit. This weekend, we had problems on an Integrity which has caused the other SmartArray and MSA30 installations that were planned to be pulled, pending a response from HP. Anybody seen this kind of behaviour before? Full config is VMS (either Alpha or I64), 8.2 on Alpha and 8.3 on I64. RAID software v3.0 on both platforms to enable us to partition the disk that the SmartArray is configured with so that we can size the DPA devices that VMS sees appropriately. Thanks in advance Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:00:10 -0700 From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: still not convinced global warming a hoax? Message-ID: <1191412810.486540.142630@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57949 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:06:09 -0700 From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net Subject: Re: still not convinced global warming a hoax? Message-ID: <1191413169.827331.112360@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Oct 3, 8:00 am, ultra...@gmail.com wrote: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57949 No. Next issue/question, preferably related to VMS? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:10:59 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Time to PAK it in? Message-ID: <7NKMi.4864$C02.2659@newsfe12.lga> In article <1191372569.840855.187020@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, john.egolf@digital.com writes: > > > >All, > >The current OpenVMS I64 PAKs didn't include an OE PAK due to an >oversight by my part. Any DSPP member needing it just needs to >contact me at my HP mail address and you'll receive it. > >I'd suggest to all to not get so worked up about something so simple - >a human mistake - not an overt action against VMS. > >The DSPP Program is an important HP program with its partners. There >are no plans to make any major changes in the way PAKs are >distributed. As for the FOE vs. MCOE PAK discussion, VMS management >reviews what our partners need and make changes. Clustering is >included in the existing DSPP PAKs; as for other differences between >the collection of all the DSPP PAKs for I64 and what MCOE vs. FOE may >provide just let us know what you need and why. We're here to stay in >business and if you can help we'll work with you. > >DSPP members "Please see http://www.hp.com/go/paks or if you have >questions of problems, call [North America only] (800) 249-3294" > >Now, take a deep breath; count to 30; and get back to work :-) VOLSHAD! When I boot the Itanium, all of the software I need to build is found on shadowed drives on an Alpha system. I suppose I COULD just boot and mount the separate members and then bring the Itanium into the cluster, do builds and then shut it down and restore the sets. One of the products, however, works with shadowing and it would be nice to be able to test it on IA64. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:50:38 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Time to PAK it in? Message-ID: On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:49:29 -0700, wrote: > > All, > > The current OpenVMS I64 PAKs didn't include an OE PAK due to an > oversight by my part. Any DSPP member needing it just needs to > contact me at my HP mail address and you'll receive it. > > I'd suggest to all to not get so worked up about something so simple - > a human mistake - not an overt action against VMS. > > The DSPP Program is an important HP program with its partners. There > are no plans to make any major changes in the way PAKs are > distributed. As for the FOE vs. MCOE PAK discussion, VMS management > reviews what our partners need and make changes. Clustering is > included in the existing DSPP PAKs; as for other differences between > the collection of all the DSPP PAKs for I64 and what MCOE vs. FOE may > provide just let us know what you need and why. We're here to stay in > business and if you can help we'll work with you. > > DSPP members "Please see http://www.hp.com/go/paks or if you have > questions of problems, call [North America only] (800) 249-3294" How often are these updated? I note that these were generated 17-SEP. > > Now, take a deep breath; count to 30; and get back to work :-) > > /John > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:39:10 +0000 (UTC) From: morris@osmium.mv.net (Skipper W. Morris) Subject: VMS Apache on older versions? Message-ID: I have an Alpha Multia I've just installed VMS 7.2 on (AFAIK the latest version of VMS it will run). I'd like to install Apache on it (aka HP Secure Web Server for OpenVMS), but the HP web page claims it runs on VMS 7.3-1 and higher. Anyone know if it will run on an earlier version? Or what I have to do to make it run on 7.2? I guess the only other option is to install WASD instead. thanks /Skip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:17:20 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS Apache on older versions? Message-ID: <7debb$4703cea2$cef8887a$22954@TEKSAVVY.COM> Skipper W. Morris wrote: > I guess the only other option is to install WASD instead. The OSU web server will run nicely on 7.2 and it is very efficient and doesn't demand excessive resources or maintenance. (Are you the Skipper Morris that used to give networking presentations at DECUS events ?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:02:06 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Message-ID: In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > > >Hi Brian, > >> If Richard can figure out why it bombs in Safari and fix it, I'll take a >> looksee at it again -- with or without the *window* resizing. > >I don't know Safari (apart from the words "Safari" and "hell" tuering up >regularly in comp.lang.javascript in regular succession :-) but The Stig has >previously stated that he got it working with the following versions: - > >Safari Version 2.0.4 (419.3) > >Java Plug-in 1.5.0 >Using JRE version 1.5.0_07 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM I have Safari 3.0.3. The Java plugin info says it is 1.3.1. I cannot find a 1.5.0 for Safari. >Also, (and just as likely) you firewall could be blocking the outgoing >connection? Can you turn on the Java Console to see the trace of any error >messages? Something like Settings -> Control Panel -> Java Plug-in -> >Console on Firewall? What firewall? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:25:01 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Message-ID: Hi Brian, I don't know Apple Mac web sites 'cos I don't use them, but are any of these relevant or recent or useful? http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/development_tools/javaee5sdk.html http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/java/ http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/javaformacosx104release5.html Maybe Steve Jobs still thinks Java is a "great big ball and chain"? Cheers Richard Maher wrote in message news:OEKMi.4863$C02.2986@newsfe12.lga... > In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > > > > > >Hi Brian, > > > >> If Richard can figure out why it bombs in Safari and fix it, I'll take a > >> looksee at it again -- with or without the *window* resizing. > > > >I don't know Safari (apart from the words "Safari" and "hell" tuering up > >regularly in comp.lang.javascript in regular succession :-) but The Stig has > >previously stated that he got it working with the following versions: - > > > >Safari Version 2.0.4 (419.3) > > > >Java Plug-in 1.5.0 > >Using JRE version 1.5.0_07 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM > > I have Safari 3.0.3. The Java plugin info says it is 1.3.1. I cannot find a > 1.5.0 for Safari. > > > > >Also, (and just as likely) you firewall could be blocking the outgoing > >connection? Can you turn on the Java Console to see the trace of any error > >messages? Something like Settings -> Control Panel -> Java Plug-in -> > >Console on > > Firewall? What firewall? > > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2007 13:22:12 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Message-ID: <5mhjc4Fana69U1@mid.individual.net> In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > Hi Brian, > > I don't know Apple Mac web sites 'cos I don't use them, but are any of these > relevant or recent or useful? > > http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/development_tools/javaee5sdk.html > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/java/ > > http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/javaformacosx104release5.html > > Maybe Steve Jobs still thinks Java is a "great big ball and chain"? > Apparently. One of our professors just got an Ipod Itouch and wanted to use it as a PDA. It had no Java and that quote was exactly what he found when he went looking for it. It was the reason given for not having Java on the Iphone. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:59:00 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Message-ID: In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > > >Hi Brian, > >I don't know Apple Mac web sites 'cos I don't use them, but are any of these >relevant or recent or useful? > >http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/development_tools/javaee5sdk.html > >http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/java/ > >http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/javaformacosx104release5.html > >Maybe Steve Jobs still thinks Java is a "great big ball and chain"? > >Cheers Richard Maher Those are developer kits. I only want that 1.5.0 Java plug-in. I don't want to weigh down my system with development kit extras I won't use or need. It's also not clear that the Java plug-in 1.5.0 is in any of the Java SDKs. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:09:52 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow Message-ID: Hi JF, > > Apart from that I guess the 2% of the 2% will never get to see the demo :-) > > Typical Microsoft-slave mentality. I'd counter that it is typical Apple-slave mentality to persist with a shite Apple-browser when Firefox is readily available on OS X, just because Steve Jobs gives you a hard-on and you queued in the rain for three days just to be the first on your bike to get an iPhone! The DEMO performs as expected on Firefox (on whatever OS) and Internet Explorer, so please forgive the niche marketing and the fact that it doesn't address the "Land-rights for gay whales" demographic. Having said that I'm reliably informed that some focus groups have seen it working on Safari, but I for one have lost interest. > I won't even bother trying your demo because I have rarely ever gotten a > JAVA thing to run on VMS so I don't bother wasting time trying JAVA stuff. I presume that you're trying to use VMS + browser as a client? In which case the JAR archive file for the Applet is less than 10K and uses basic SWT dialog boxes; if VMS cant process that then there's truly no hope! For everyone else on the planet that is using Windows, Linux, Mac as a client, let me say that the beauty of the DEMO is that you don't need Java, (WASD,Apache,OSU),Tomcat,PHP,CGI,Axis,Perl,SOAP,XML,WSDL or any of the other crap on vms *at all*! Just your 3GL and the six routines that will make up your shareable image. See DEMO_UARS.COB and BUILD_UARS.COM for more. Cheers Richard Maher "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:b8528$4702e225$cef8887a$18362@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Richard Maher wrote: > > > Apart from that I guess the 2% of the 2% will never get to see the demo :-) > > > Typical Microsoft-slave mentality. Like Bell Canada claiming that since > 99% of their customers use Microsoft, there is no need to support other > browsers (their web site used to block anyone not using Microsoft > browser, hence the statistics). > > I won't even bother trying your demo because I have rarely ever gotten a > JAVA thing to run on VMS so I don't bother wasting time trying JAVA stuff. > ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.540 ************************