INFO-VAX Fri, 05 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 544 Contents: Re: backup problem Re: backup problem Re: backup problem Re: backup problem Re: backup problem Re: cop from ftp site Re: getting MAC in 7.3 Re: Java on Mac OS X (Was Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow) Re: Java on Mac OS X (Was Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow) Re: Java on Mac OS X (Was Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow) OT: Powerpoint and Microsoft security ! Re: Problems with KGPSA-B and 2gb Fibrechannel Re: SmartArray errors on system boot Re: SmartArray errors on system boot Re: SmartArray errors on system boot Re: SmartArray errors on system boot Re: still not convinced global warming a hoax? Re: still not convinced global warming a hoax? TCP/IP Services and SNDBUF/RCVBUF Re: Wrong error code TCPIP/SMTP (550 for MAIL FROM) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:09:29 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: backup problem Message-ID: <1191586169.804790.262040@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Oct 4, 9:11 am, bri...@encompasserve.org wrote: > In article <1191462774.523707.326...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > [...] > > >> > -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded > [...] > > I think it may be a disk quota. Use the SHOW QUOTA/DISK=disk/USER=user > > command to see. > > There is a difference between EXQUOTA and EXDISKQUOTA. The error code > here indicates that it is the former. You're right! > > > Unfortunately you've run into one of VMS's few weaknesses. Which quota > > is exceeded? Check the disk quota and please report back. > > It is indeed difficult to figure out which quota triggered SS$_EXQUOTA. > But it will not be disk quota... Barring corner cases where > exceeding disk quota triggered error processing that tripped over > a process quota error and changed the resulting exit code that is > presented to the user anyway. I'd still start with FILLM and/or DIOLM. If FILLM goes by file header count, and his "log file" (actually listing file) is on a fragmented- enough disk so that an extend requires an extension file header, then that would explain it. But I don't know FILLM that well! AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:30:06 -0700 From: jhjr4381 Subject: Re: backup problem Message-ID: <1191587406.984940.203440@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Oct 4, 3:38 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > jhjr4381 wrote: > >> > > %BACKUP-F-WRITEERR, error writing DKA100:[BACKUP]DUA510FUL.LOG;202 > >> > > -RMS-E-EXT, ACP file extend failed > >> > > -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded > > Question: > > Do all "extend file" operations consume the same amount of quotas ? > > Do "extend file" operations consume more reources if the disk is > fragmented and each extent results in a lot of different fragments being > allocated to the file ? (versus a single extent being made from > consecutive blocks on disk). ? > > Is it possible that a very large default file extent quantity might > consume more quotas than a smaller one ? > > Is it possible that after many extents, adding an extra extent might > consume a lot more resources ? > > Perhaps the original poster might wish to give some details on how big > DUA510FUL.LOG;202 gets, and post a DIR/HEADER That's one reason why I originally asked if to extend a file you need contiguous space. The backup finally worked. I added some steroids to the quotas for the account (system). Actually just beefed them up by 10-15% over what I posted yesterday. Someone asked about CHANNELCNT - that was set to 1000. I also created a new batch queue (also without WSxxx quotas) as the previous batch queue. Then I moved the output to a new disk that had a couple of million blocks of free disk space where the old disk only had about 100K free space. Here's an dir of the failed log file sizes: DUA510FUL.LOG;202 8480 3-OCT-2007 12:18:05.95 DUA510FUL.LOG;201 5760 2-OCT-2007 12:06:59.65 DUA510FUL.LOG;200 928 1-OCT-2007 20:00:37.29 DUA510FUL.LOG;199 4224 29-SEP-2007 19:43:36.24 DUA600FUL.LOG;190 1 3-OCT-2007 14:38:23.66 DUA600FUL.LOG;189 896 2-OCT-2007 23:03:23.97 DUA600FUL.LOG;188 1 29-SEP-2007 23:04:06.9 Here's a dir of the log files from last nights successful backup: DUA510FUL.LOG;1 15588 4-OCT-2007 16:11:47.05 DUA600FUL.LOG;1 18672 4-OCT-2007 20:47:35.6 I'm not sure what finally did the trick, and I don't like using a shotgu approach, but I'll take the results. When things settle down, I'll back off the steroids on system's account and see if I can trigger it to fail. Thanks for all your help and suggestions folks. I've had problems on three system simultaneously, so it's been a blast for the laast week or so! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:39:06 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: backup problem Message-ID: <1191587946.684989.247070@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Oct 5, 8:30 am, jhjr4381 wrote: > On Oct 4, 3:38 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > > > > jhjr4381 wrote: > > >> > > %BACKUP-F-WRITEERR, error writing DKA100:[BACKUP]DUA510FUL.LOG;202 > > >> > > -RMS-E-EXT, ACP file extend failed > > >> > > -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded > > > Question: > > > Do all "extend file" operations consume the same amount of quotas ? > > > Do "extend file" operations consume more reources if the disk is > > fragmented and each extent results in a lot of different fragments being > > allocated to the file ? (versus a single extent being made from > > consecutive blocks on disk). ? > > > Is it possible that a very large default file extent quantity might > > consume more quotas than a smaller one ? > > > Is it possible that after many extents, adding an extra extent might > > consume a lot more resources ? > > > Perhaps the original poster might wish to give some details on how big > > DUA510FUL.LOG;202 gets, and post a DIR/HEADER > > That's one reason why I originally asked if to extend a file you need > contiguous space. You don't need contiguous free space to avoid the creation of extension file headers. What you need to avoid that is to be able to map few enough extents for your file so that the primary file header doesn't fill up. While contiguous free space larger than your file *is* sufficient, it is *not necessary*. > The backup finally worked. I added some steroids to the quotas for the > account (system). Actually just beefed them up by 10-15% over what I > posted yesterday. I still be it was FILLM or DIOLM. > > Someone asked about CHANNELCNT - that was set to 1000. > > I also created a new batch queue (also without WSxxx quotas) as the > previous batch queue. Then I moved the output to a new disk that had a > couple of million blocks of free disk space where the old disk only > had about 100K free space. > > Here's an dir of the failed log file sizes: > DUA510FUL.LOG;202 8480 3-OCT-2007 12:18:05.95 > DUA510FUL.LOG;201 5760 2-OCT-2007 12:06:59.65 > DUA510FUL.LOG;200 928 1-OCT-2007 20:00:37.29 > DUA510FUL.LOG;199 4224 29-SEP-2007 19:43:36.24 > DUA600FUL.LOG;190 1 3-OCT-2007 14:38:23.66 > DUA600FUL.LOG;189 896 2-OCT-2007 23:03:23.97 > DUA600FUL.LOG;188 1 29-SEP-2007 23:04:06.9 > > Here's a dir of the log files from last nights successful backup: > > DUA510FUL.LOG;1 15588 4-OCT-2007 16:11:47.05 > DUA600FUL.LOG;1 18672 4-OCT-2007 20:47:35.6 > > I'm not sure what finally did the trick, and I don't like using a > shotgu approach, but I'll take the results. When things settle down, > I'll back off the steroids on system's account and see if I can > trigger it to fail. > > Thanks for all your help and suggestions folks. I've had problems on > three system simultaneously, so it's been a blast for the laast week > or so! AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:42:55 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: backup problem Message-ID: <1191588175.973077.284800@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Oct 5, 8:39 am, AEF wrote: > On Oct 5, 8:30 am, jhjr4381 wrote: > > > > > On Oct 4, 3:38 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > > > jhjr4381 wrote: > > > >> > > %BACKUP-F-WRITEERR, error writing DKA100:[BACKUP]DUA510FUL.LOG;202 > > > >> > > -RMS-E-EXT, ACP file extend failed > > > >> > > -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded > > > > Question: > > > > Do all "extend file" operations consume the same amount of quotas ? > > > > Do "extend file" operations consume more reources if the disk is > > > fragmented and each extent results in a lot of different fragments being > > > allocated to the file ? (versus a single extent being made from > > > consecutive blocks on disk). ? > > > > Is it possible that a very large default file extent quantity might > > > consume more quotas than a smaller one ? > > > > Is it possible that after many extents, adding an extra extent might > > > consume a lot more resources ? > > > > Perhaps the original poster might wish to give some details on how big > > > DUA510FUL.LOG;202 gets, and post a DIR/HEADER > > > That's one reason why I originally asked if to extend a file you need > > contiguous space. > > You don't need contiguous free space to avoid the creation of > extension file headers. What you need to avoid that is to be able to > map few enough extents for your file so that the primary file header > doesn't fill up. While contiguous free space larger than your file > *is* sufficient, it is *not necessary*. > > > The backup finally worked. I added some steroids to the quotas for the > > account (system). Actually just beefed them up by 10-15% over what I > > posted yesterday. > > I still be it was FILLM or DIOLM. > Uh, make that 'bet', no 'be'. On further reflection, maybe BYTLM as the HELP says that this affects file-access windows. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:55:27 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: backup problem Message-ID: I know BACKUP circa 5.mumble started to look at available quotas, notably the working set and tried to pre-allocate as much memory as possible so that it could read large chunks of files into memory and write to TK50s in large chunks, saving considerable time for backups since the TK50 had fewer start/stop cycles. Is it possible that in this case (this is a question), BACKUP pre-calculated how much it could process in memory based on a set of available quotas, and say, for instance, that WSEXTENT would have allowed for 100 files be processed at the same time, but FILLM was set at 75, BACKUP would then limit itself to processing only 75 files at a time. But in doing so, it would bring the FILLM quota down to 0, so if it needed an extra FILLM to extend the log file, there would be none, hence the error ? In the above theoretical example, increasing FILLM to 101 would solve the problem because WSEXTENT would cause BACKUP to limit itself to 100 files. (leaving 1 FILLM free to be used). It can be argued that having "unbalanced" quotas was a user problem, but it can also be argued that BACKUP's calculation should always leave a couple of units of quota left for anciliary operations such as extending a log file. This is just uneducated speculation on my part. May not apply to people living in the real universe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:58:35 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: cop from ftp site Message-ID: <470634FB.8030501@comcast.net> Crabs wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> >> Or something like that. RTFM >> > > Gotta hand it to 'ya Bob. > Helpful and polite. > What a sincere and caring individual. > > May you win the a-hole of the year award. > > > Crabs If my reply failed to adequately answer your question, perhaps you should put your question more clearly! If you DID read the FM, you might try telling us which part was not sufficiently clear. Or, if you have tried and failed, you might provide the commands you used and the resulting error messages, if any. Four years ago I had several batch jobs that sent files to the mainframe at headquarters. If was not particularly difficult to do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:50:01 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: getting MAC in 7.3 Message-ID: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:18:22 -0700, P. Sture wrote: > In article , > "P. Sture" wrote: > >> Here we go: >> >> GET_ETHER.C;1 24/36 10-JUN-1998 14:14:01.00 > > Tom, I'll zip it up and email it to you, to save you time. > BTW, What exactly is ZCD$ETH_LNM? I do not see anything like that name on any of my systems -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:38:13 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Java on Mac OS X (Was Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow) Message-ID: In article <1191551484.740738.308740@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, maher_rj@hotmail.com writes: > > >Hi Brian, > >> Those are developer kits. I only want that 1.5.0 Java plug-in. I don't >> want to weigh down my system with development kit extras I won't use or >> need. It's also not clear that the Java plug-in 1.5.0 is in any of the >> Java SDKs. > >I'll post quite useful references below to back up my theories on the >state of play with Java on Mac OS X, but as a layman's view this is my >understanding: - > >If you are using Tiger (Mac OS X 10.4.6?) or Leopard (U Bewt next one) >then you *already* have a complete J2SE with JVM and JDK on your >system. The rubicon has been crossed and your system is already >"weighed down" with "development kit extras". > >Apple says the version of J2SE that was bundled with the OS was >4.0(1.4), yet you say your Java plug-in is at version is at 1.3.1 >which makes me suspect that your OS X version predates Tiger (Bambi >perhaps :-) OS X 10.4.10 is Tiger. It was my understanding that all of the J2SE stuff was bundled in Tiger. I don't understand why Safari reports it has Java Plug-In 1.3.1. My comment about all of the "extras" weigh- ing down my system was more that I do not want to download more than I need to update from 1.3.1. Everything is working fine for me and therefore, I see no need to muddy the waters with things that could or might change if I download a full SDK. >Doesn't Mac have the equivilent of "Windows Update" that can look >after this stuff? Software Update in the System Preferences. >Anyway, I'll ask in one of the Java conferences if anyone knows of a >JRE-only kit for OS X, but I believe that you'll have to download all >*83MB* of the 5.0 J2SE. (I also discovered that there was an Apple >J2SE V6.0 on the web but it was pulled recently; Steve Jobs moving >away from Java? or trying to get Scott McNielly to pay for it like on >Windows? More likely bugs I suspect.) Strangely, I tried to download that kit and I was informed that I have a newer version already installed -- probably as part of the last system update. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:39:59 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Java on Mac OS X (Was Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow) Message-ID: <3woNi.82$wm7.32@newsfe12.lga> In article , "Craig A. Berry" writes: > > >In article <1191551484.740738.308740@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > maher_rj@hotmail.com wrote: > >> Doesn't Mac have the equivilent of "Windows Update" that can look >> after this stuff? > >Indeed it does. A Mac OS X Tiger (10.4) system that is current will >have: > >% java -version >java version "1.5.0_07" >Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_07-164) >Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_07-87, mixed mode, sharing) Exactly what mine says. >Apologies if I missed it in your many references, but I didn't see > >http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2110.html > >which, among other things, tracks release history between OS X versions >and Java versios. And yes, you must have Tiger, or later, to have Java >1.5 or later. What version of the Java Plug-In is on your system? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:59:49 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: Java on Mac OS X (Was Re: Web-based VMS Que Monitor for Deathrow) Message-ID: In article <3woNi.82$wm7.32@newsfe12.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > What version of the Java Plug-In is on your system? 1.5.0, as well as earlier versions. Have a look at Applications --> Utilities --> Java --> J2SE 5.0 --> Java Settings.app. There are various ways to control which version of Java you get by default, and which you get first when the applet doesn't specify what version it needs, etc. The Advanced tab has debugging and tracing options. And no, I have not tried Richard's queue monitor so this is general information that may help rather than specific advice about what will work. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:04:11 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: Powerpoint and Microsoft security ! Message-ID: <9459c$4705d3e3$cef8887a$5807@TEKSAVVY.COM> From : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7028389.stm School children in the US state of Ohio were left bemused after images of nude women were shown in a politician's lecture on the legislative process. State representative Matthew Barrett was giving a computerised presentation at Norwalk High School when the images flashed up on the screen. <...> He inserted a memory chip into his computer which he thought contained graphics showing how legislative bills became law. Instead, a series of pictures of topless women appeared on the screen, although Mr Barrett said he shut down the computer within seconds. --------- So to all those who use powerpoint to make any presentation, beware: it is easy to hack your presentation and add some "interesting" contents to it ;-) One more reason to not use Windows on laptops. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:49:35 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Problems with KGPSA-B and 2gb Fibrechannel Message-ID: Malcolm As you no doubt know, the DS20 and DS20e Main Logic boards are physically identical (the on board SCSI is switched off on the DS20) but apart from that they function the same. With that in mind, why not install a 2Gb Fiberchannel card in the DS20 It is not supported methinks, but I know they work perfectly well - my guess is they were not supported because the old style DS20 was phased out for the better box style of the DS20e DT "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote in message news:47052541$1@flight... > > Alphaserver DS20, VMS 7.3-2, Console firmware 7.3, KGPSA-B firmware 3.20x7 > > I know it's not supported but just for the benefit of hobbyists or others > looking to extend the life of older systems I thought I'd post my > experience with trying to get a KGPSA-B (Emulex Lp7000) to talk to a > Brocade 2gb fibre switch. > > The problem appears at the console level (ie with trying to set up the > system to boot from a disk connected to the 2gb switch via a KGPSA-B). > What I observed was inconsistent and drove me nuts for a while trying to > figure out if I had bad cables, etc. > > If one tries to use wwidmgr to set up a mapping ( eg > wwidmgr -quickset -udid nnn) to a drive under this configuration you may > get a "timeout probing pgx0" error, or it may appear to work (ie show you > the drive mappings). Trying the command several times will produce one of > these results in an apparently random fashion. > > Even if wwidmgr appears to work it was my experience that when I did the > reset afterwards the disks would not appear at the console level, even > though their parameters were stored in the console variables. > > Replacing the 2gb switch with a 1gb switch made the problem go away, as > did replacing the KGPSA-B with a KGPSA-C (LP8000). > > Interestingly, if one boots the system some other way VMS is able to see > the drives on the KGPSA-B/2gb switch combination and appears to access > them with no problems (so it's really an Alphaserver console problem > rather than a VMS issue). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:38:23 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: SmartArray errors on system boot Message-ID: <1191587903.083663.283930@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> On 4 Oct, 16:32, "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote: > Firmware version? > > DT wrote in message > > news:1191510262.273359.16290@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 4 Oct, 16:02, "David Turner, Island Computers" > islandco.com> wrote: > >> I assume you have these set correctly > > >> On a 5302a > > >> >>>set heap_expand 2MB > > >> On a 5304a > > >> >>>set heap_expand 4MB > > >> Also the set command is correct > > >> >>>set bootbios pya0 > > >> DT > > >> wrote in message > > >>news:1191425849.767217.202610@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... > > >> > Hiya, > > >> > I've got about five logs open with support at the moment, but I'm > >> > wondering if anyone else has experienced similar... > > >> > I've got a mix of 5302A and 6402A SmartArray cards in Alphas and, more > >> > recently, a couple of A9890A 6402 SmartArrays in a couple of Integrity > >> > servers (one per server). > > >> > When the system boots, the system logs errors against the PK port > >> > device (SCSI bus resets maybe?) then, usually, calms down and behaves > >> > itself. The disks never log any errors. > > >> > At first we thought maybe a bad card. When a second one did it we > >> > thought maybe the MSA30 shelves that they are connected to were the > >> > culprits, maybe having their interface cards damaged in transit. This > >> > weekend, we had problems on an Integrity which has caused the other > >> > SmartArray and MSA30 installations that were planned to be pulled, > >> > pending a response from HP. > > >> > Anybody seen this kind of behaviour before? > > >> > Full config is VMS (either Alpha or I64), 8.2 on Alpha and 8.3 on > >> > I64. RAID software v3.0 on both platforms to enable us to partition > >> > the disk that the SmartArray is configured with so that we can size > >> > the DPA devices that VMS sees appropriately. > > >> > Thanks in advance > > >> > Steve- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Yup, we've set those. > > > S.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Not sure on the Alphas (there's a mix, but all recent) but the cards are generally at the latest and greatest (IIRC, 2.76) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:50:56 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: SmartArray errors on system boot Message-ID: <_7sNi.192$a8.100@bignews7.bellsouth.net> If they are 2.76 on the Smartarrays then that would be a problem They are up to 3.56 now for Alpha Suggest an upgrade with your F/W 7.3 CD DT wrote in message news:1191587903.083663.283930@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > On 4 Oct, 16:32, "David Turner, Island Computers" islandco.com> wrote: >> Firmware version? >> >> DT wrote in message >> >> news:1191510262.273359.16290@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On 4 Oct, 16:02, "David Turner, Island Computers" > > islandco.com> wrote: >> >> I assume you have these set correctly >> >> >> On a 5302a >> >> >> >>>set heap_expand 2MB >> >> >> On a 5304a >> >> >> >>>set heap_expand 4MB >> >> >> Also the set command is correct >> >> >> >>>set bootbios pya0 >> >> >> DT >> >> >> wrote in message >> >> >>news:1191425849.767217.202610@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > Hiya, >> >> >> > I've got about five logs open with support at the moment, but I'm >> >> > wondering if anyone else has experienced similar... >> >> >> > I've got a mix of 5302A and 6402A SmartArray cards in Alphas and, >> >> > more >> >> > recently, a couple of A9890A 6402 SmartArrays in a couple of >> >> > Integrity >> >> > servers (one per server). >> >> >> > When the system boots, the system logs errors against the PK port >> >> > device (SCSI bus resets maybe?) then, usually, calms down and >> >> > behaves >> >> > itself. The disks never log any errors. >> >> >> > At first we thought maybe a bad card. When a second one did it we >> >> > thought maybe the MSA30 shelves that they are connected to were the >> >> > culprits, maybe having their interface cards damaged in transit. >> >> > This >> >> > weekend, we had problems on an Integrity which has caused the other >> >> > SmartArray and MSA30 installations that were planned to be pulled, >> >> > pending a response from HP. >> >> >> > Anybody seen this kind of behaviour before? >> >> >> > Full config is VMS (either Alpha or I64), 8.2 on Alpha and 8.3 on >> >> > I64. RAID software v3.0 on both platforms to enable us to partition >> >> > the disk that the SmartArray is configured with so that we can size >> >> > the DPA devices that VMS sees appropriately. >> >> >> > Thanks in advance >> >> >> > Steve- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Yup, we've set those. >> >> > S.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Not sure on the Alphas (there's a mix, but all recent) but the cards > are generally at the latest and greatest (IIRC, 2.76) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:16:40 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: SmartArray errors on system boot Message-ID: <1191597400.416096.310950@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On 5 Oct, 15:50, "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote: > If they are 2.76 on the Smartarrays then that would be a problem > They are up to 3.56 now for Alpha > > Suggest an upgrade with your F/W 7.3 CD > > DT wrote in message > > news:1191587903.083663.283930@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 4 Oct, 16:32, "David Turner, Island Computers" > islandco.com> wrote: > >> Firmware version? > > >> DT wrote in message > > >>news:1191510262.273359.16290@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > >> > On 4 Oct, 16:02, "David Turner, Island Computers" >> > islandco.com> wrote: > >> >> I assume you have these set correctly > > >> >> On a 5302a > > >> >> >>>set heap_expand 2MB > > >> >> On a 5304a > > >> >> >>>set heap_expand 4MB > > >> >> Also the set command is correct > > >> >> >>>set bootbios pya0 > > >> >> DT > > >> >> wrote in message > > >> >>news:1191425849.767217.202610@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > Hiya, > > >> >> > I've got about five logs open with support at the moment, but I'm > >> >> > wondering if anyone else has experienced similar... > > >> >> > I've got a mix of 5302A and 6402A SmartArray cards in Alphas and, > >> >> > more > >> >> > recently, a couple of A9890A 6402 SmartArrays in a couple of > >> >> > Integrity > >> >> > servers (one per server). > > >> >> > When the system boots, the system logs errors against the PK port > >> >> > device (SCSI bus resets maybe?) then, usually, calms down and > >> >> > behaves > >> >> > itself. The disks never log any errors. > > >> >> > At first we thought maybe a bad card. When a second one did it we > >> >> > thought maybe the MSA30 shelves that they are connected to were the > >> >> > culprits, maybe having their interface cards damaged in transit. > >> >> > This > >> >> > weekend, we had problems on an Integrity which has caused the other > >> >> > SmartArray and MSA30 installations that were planned to be pulled, > >> >> > pending a response from HP. > > >> >> > Anybody seen this kind of behaviour before? > > >> >> > Full config is VMS (either Alpha or I64), 8.2 on Alpha and 8.3 on > >> >> > I64. RAID software v3.0 on both platforms to enable us to partition > >> >> > the disk that the SmartArray is configured with so that we can size > >> >> > the DPA devices that VMS sees appropriately. > > >> >> > Thanks in advance > > >> >> > Steve- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > Yup, we've set those. > > >> > S.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Not sure on the Alphas (there's a mix, but all recent) but the cards > > are generally at the latest and greatest (IIRC, 2.76)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That's why I said IIRC. I didn't. The firmware version for the 5302A is 3.56. the one for the 6402A is 2.76 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:49:11 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: SmartArray errors on system boot Message-ID: <13gcn77o513u011@news.supernews.com> I assume you have also checked to make sure all the disks you have added are up to date firmware-wise. I know we had compatibility issues with U320 drives running with U3 drives. There are so so many updates done to these drives. wrote in message news:1191597400.416096.310950@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On 5 Oct, 15:50, "David Turner, Island Computers" islandco.com> wrote: >> If they are 2.76 on the Smartarrays then that would be a problem >> They are up to 3.56 now for Alpha >> >> Suggest an upgrade with your F/W 7.3 CD >> >> DT wrote in message >> >> news:1191587903.083663.283930@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On 4 Oct, 16:32, "David Turner, Island Computers" > > islandco.com> wrote: >> >> Firmware version? >> >> >> DT wrote in message >> >> >>news:1191510262.273359.16290@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On 4 Oct, 16:02, "David Turner, Island Computers" > >> > islandco.com> wrote: >> >> >> I assume you have these set correctly >> >> >> >> On a 5302a >> >> >> >> >>>set heap_expand 2MB >> >> >> >> On a 5304a >> >> >> >> >>>set heap_expand 4MB >> >> >> >> Also the set command is correct >> >> >> >> >>>set bootbios pya0 >> >> >> >> DT >> >> >> >> wrote in message >> >> >> >>news:1191425849.767217.202610@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > Hiya, >> >> >> >> > I've got about five logs open with support at the moment, but I'm >> >> >> > wondering if anyone else has experienced similar... >> >> >> >> > I've got a mix of 5302A and 6402A SmartArray cards in Alphas and, >> >> >> > more >> >> >> > recently, a couple of A9890A 6402 SmartArrays in a couple of >> >> >> > Integrity >> >> >> > servers (one per server). >> >> >> >> > When the system boots, the system logs errors against the PK port >> >> >> > device (SCSI bus resets maybe?) then, usually, calms down and >> >> >> > behaves >> >> >> > itself. The disks never log any errors. >> >> >> >> > At first we thought maybe a bad card. When a second one did it >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > thought maybe the MSA30 shelves that they are connected to were >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > culprits, maybe having their interface cards damaged in transit. >> >> >> > This >> >> >> > weekend, we had problems on an Integrity which has caused the >> >> >> > other >> >> >> > SmartArray and MSA30 installations that were planned to be >> >> >> > pulled, >> >> >> > pending a response from HP. >> >> >> >> > Anybody seen this kind of behaviour before? >> >> >> >> > Full config is VMS (either Alpha or I64), 8.2 on Alpha and 8.3 on >> >> >> > I64. RAID software v3.0 on both platforms to enable us to >> >> >> > partition >> >> >> > the disk that the SmartArray is configured with so that we can >> >> >> > size >> >> >> > the DPA devices that VMS sees appropriately. >> >> >> >> > Thanks in advance >> >> >> >> > Steve- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > Yup, we've set those. >> >> >> > S.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Not sure on the Alphas (there's a mix, but all recent) but the cards >> > are generally at the latest and greatest (IIRC, 2.76)- Hide quoted >> > text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > That's why I said IIRC. I didn't. > The firmware version for the 5302A is 3.56. the one for the 6402A is > 2.76 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:51:33 -0700 From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: still not convinced global warming a hoax? Message-ID: <1191585093.182678.129140@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Oct 4, 12:40 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Question: > > In my mind, a religious person has always been a compassionate person > willing to share wealth, help others, live a good honest life and make > sure to protect god's creations (wether humans or animals or the planet). > > How come in the USA, religious persons are most often associated with > the exact opposite ? right wing conservatives who want wars that kill > hundreds of thousands of humans, help large business instead of helping > the poor, don't care about polluting the planet etc ? > > Or is it a case of religious persons in the USA supporting one party > that is 99% against what they believe in just because the agree with the > remaining 1% (abortion) ? no Christian WANTS war, but sometimes it is necessary to stamp out evil ... just read your old testament ... what would have happened if Hitler would have been allowed to carry on w/o world war II ... use your head! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:30:46 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: still not convinced global warming a hoax? Message-ID: In article <1191585093.182678.129140@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, ultradwc@gmail.com writes: >On Oct 4, 12:40 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> Question: >> >> In my mind, a religious person has always been a compassionate person >> willing to share wealth, help others, live a good honest life and make >> sure to protect god's creations (wether humans or animals or the planet). >> >> How come in the USA, religious persons are most often associated with >> the exact opposite ? right wing conservatives who want wars that kill >> hundreds of thousands of humans, help large business instead of helping >> the poor, don't care about polluting the planet etc ? >> >> Or is it a case of religious persons in the USA supporting one party >> that is 99% against what they believe in just because the agree with the >> remaining 1% (abortion) ? > >no Christian WANTS war, but sometimes it is necessary to stamp >out evil ... just read your old testament That begs the question of when the enemy is truly evil and just who decides they are evil. Black propoganda painting the enemy as evil incarnate has an extremely long history. Historically Christians have considered other Christians to be heretics and fought wars against them because of it. Historically Christians have fought against Infidels eg Crusades in the holy land organised by various Popes. ... what would have happened >if Hitler would have been allowed to carry on w/o world war II ... >use your head! > One regime which most people would regard as evil but the Vatican's relationship with the Nazis during world war II is hardly a story of resistence or even outright condemnation. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:39:52 +0930 From: Mark Daniel Subject: TCP/IP Services and SNDBUF/RCVBUF Message-ID: <13gbsc5iddu0o5a@corp.supernews.com> Trying to understand the TCPIP> SHOW DEVICE values against RECEIVE SEND Socket buffer bytes ... ... Socket buffer quota ... ... and the relationship with the setsockopt()/QIO-SETMODE, getsockopt()/QIO-SENSEMODE SO_SNDBUF/SO_RCVBUF/TCPIP$C_SNDBUF/TCPIP$C_RCVBUF values. Also the equivalent in other VMS TCP/IP stacks. A WASD user reports his MultiNet environment previously with Apache and now with WASD improve throughput significantly (particularly of large transfers) by performing a setsockopt(SO_SNDBUF:65534) and a QIO-SETMODE(TCPIP$C_SNDBUF:65534) respectively (hope my abbreviated descriptions make enough sense). I do not see this using TCP/IP Services. In fact I only seem to be able to decrease throughput by lowering (to circa 2,000 bytes) the default values which seem to be very high (>60,000). When a SETMODE is used against a socket this is reflected in the SHOW DEVICE socket bytes/quota. The default values seem to be more than adequately large under TCP/IP Services (at least in the systems I have access to - see samples below) but under Multinet (at least) are reported to benefit by some tweaking upwards. Sample 1 (SNDBUF 1,048,576 bytes?): HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 on a AlphaServer DS25 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 Physical Memory Usage (pages): Total Free In Use Modified Main Memory (1024.00MB) 131072 46202 82218 2652 Device_socket: bg1308 Type: STREAM LOCAL REMOTE Port: 80 0 Host: * * Service: RECEIVE SEND Queued I/O 0 0 Q0LEN 0 Socket buffer bytes 0 0 QLEN 0 Socket buffer quota 1048576 1048576 QLIMIT 65535 Total buffer alloc 0 0 TIMEO 0 Total buffer limit 8388608 8388608 ERROR 0 Buffer or I/O waits 6 0 OOBMARK 0 Buffer or I/O drops 0 0 I/O completed 5 0 Bytes transferred 0 0 Options: ACCEPT REUSEADR State: PRIV RCV Buff: WAIT SND Buff: None Sample 2 (SNDBUF 61,440 bytes?): HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.6 on an AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB running OpenVMS V8.3 Physical Memory Usage (pages): Total Free In Use Modified Main Memory (256.00MB) 32768 5288 23658 3822 Device_socket: bg10055 Type: STREAM LOCAL REMOTE Port: 80 0 Host: 131.185.30.4 * Service: RECEIVE SEND Queued I/O 0 0 Q0LEN 0 Socket buffer bytes 0 0 QLEN 0 Socket buffer quota 61440 61440 QLIMIT 8 Total buffer alloc 0 0 TIMEO 0 Total buffer limit 491520 491520 ERROR 0 Buffer or I/O waits 1 0 OOBMARK 0 Buffer or I/O drops 0 0 I/O completed 0 0 Bytes transferred 0 0 Options: ACCEPT REUSEADR State: PRIV RCV Buff: ASYNC SND Buff: ASYNC Sample 3 (SNDBUF 61,440 bytes?): HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.6 on a Digital Personal WorkStation running OpenVMS V8.3 Physical Memory Usage (bytes): Total Free In Use Modified Main Memory (MB) 576.00 124.70 418.21 33.07 Device_socket: bg23873 Type: STREAM LOCAL REMOTE Port: 80 0 Host: * * Service: RECEIVE SEND Queued I/O 0 0 Q0LEN 0 Socket buffer bytes 0 0 QLEN 0 Socket buffer quota 61440 61440 QLIMIT 8 Total buffer alloc 0 0 TIMEO 0 Total buffer limit 491520 491520 ERROR 0 Buffer or I/O waits 1 0 OOBMARK 0 Buffer or I/O drops 0 0 I/O completed 0 0 Bytes transferred 0 0 Options: ACCEPT REUSEADR State: PRIV RCV Buff: ASYNC SND Buff: ASYNC Sample 4 (SNDBUF 61,440 bytes?): HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 5 on a AlphaServer ES40 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 Physical Memory Usage (bytes): Total Free In Use Modified Main Memory (GB) 4.00 0.91 2.99 0.08 Device_socket: bg7838 Type: STREAM LOCAL REMOTE Port: 80 0 Host: * * Service: RECEIVE SEND Queued I/O 1 0 Q0LEN 0 Socket buffer bytes 0 0 QLEN 0 Socket buffer quota 61440 61440 QLIMIT 65535 Total buffer alloc 0 0 TIMEO 0 Total buffer limit 491520 491520 ERROR 0 Buffer or I/O waits 37132 0 OOBMARK 0 Buffer or I/O drops 0 0 I/O completed 19319 0 Bytes transferred 0 0 Options: ACCEPT REUSEADR State: PRIV RCV Buff: WAIT SND Buff: None I fail to see a pattern in these (as related to memory) but it may be another relationship, perhaps to a SYSGEN parameter or some deeper TCP/IP Services parameter. Any assistance or pointers gratefully received. -- "They're trying to kill me," Yossarian told him calmly. "No one's trying to kill you," Clevinger cried. "Then why are they shooting at me?" Yossarian asked. "They're shooting at everyone," Clevinger answered. "They're trying to kill everyone." "And what difference does that make?" [Joseph Heller; Catch-22] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:15:29 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Wrong error code TCPIP/SMTP (550 for MAIL FROM) Message-ID: JF Mezei writes: >Turns out the BBC's mail infrastructure has been shutdown for some reason: >$ telnet/port=25 mx1.bbc.co.uk >%TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 132.185.240.140 >%TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host mx1.bbc.co.uk, port 25 >Escape character is ^] >554 mailgw0.thls.bbc.co.uk ESMTP not accepting messages The real question is why it wasn't quitting immediately upon encountering the 554 here. >HELO vaxination.ca >250 mailgw0.thls.bbc.co.uk Hello gw.vaxination.ca [206.248.136.122], >pleased to meet you >MAIL FROM: jfmezei@vaxination.ca >550 5.0.0 Command rejected >QUIT >221 2.0.0 mailgw0.thls.bbc.co.uk closing connection >%TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closed >So, the symbiont would have gotten a 550 in a MAIL FROM command and not >the RCPT TO command and thus, claiming that the destination user is >unknown is erroneous. Did it (also) ignore the 550 in response to the MAIL FROM command but responded to a possible second 550 in response to the RCPT TO (not in your example)? What version of TCPIP? ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.544 ************************