INFO-VAX Mon, 22 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 577 Contents: Re: .NET Mono for VMS Re: ANN: .NET Mono for VMS Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Re: Glass Fish on OpenVMS? Shafting Loyal Customers (again) Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Problem with CSWS and Perl Re: Rare job posting Re: SOAP, WSIT, I'm LOST, sort of... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:16:58 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: .NET Mono for VMS Message-ID: <471bb3b3$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > Thx for pointer - I had not heard about this Mono project .. very > interesting. It is rather well known. There were a couple of threads about here back in 2005. > Quick thought - are you planning to simply get Mono to run on OpenVMS > or as part of the port, adopt it to take advantage of some of the > strengths of OpenVMS i.e. A-A clustering, high security etc? Mono & C# is no different than Fortran, Pascal or Cobol in that regard. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:26:41 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: ANN: .NET Mono for VMS Message-ID: <471bb5fa$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard Maher wrote: > How many people would be interested in running .NET Mono on OpenVMS, Alpha > or Integrity? Of those, how many would want to: > > 1. use OpenVMS as a host for their .NET Clients > 2. use OpenVMS as a host for their .NET Servers > 3. both of the above I somehow suspect that you are not all serious. I don't think HP will find a business case to do the port. But volunteers definitely should do it. It should be possible. It is already ported to a bunch of Unix and Unix like OS'es. The VMS C library is much more Unix compatible than it was 15 years ago. Mono is thread oriented not forking oriented. It do run on Linux/IA64, so there must be some IA64 JIT code (Alpha could be hard though). All that is needed is 10-20 people who thinks it is actually fun to write code for VMS. But I am not too optimistic. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:02:02 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Message-ID: <1hVSi.3868$E92.196@newsfe23.lga> On 10/21/07 07:57, Neil Rieck wrote: > On Oct 20, 7:49 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> Doug Phillips wrote: >>> ### >>> "What the hell does that have to do with VMS?" >>> -- Origin Unknown >>> ##### >> The church of VAX worshippers still exists. Proof at: >> >> http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/vax-temple.gif >> >> There are rumours of a VMS worshippers also existing. Apparently, they >> need to SET PROC/SUSP twice a day and then kneel down in the direction >> of ZKO and pray to beg for the survival of VMS and its porting to a >> viable platform. > > Do they pray twice a day to honour the god of the binary realm? > > BYW, it just occurred to me that the god of VMS is triune: VAX, Alpha, > Itanium. I hope this observation doesn't incur the the wrath of Bob's > cult. Itaniac is a false deity fostered upon the faithful who were perfectly satisfied worshiping Kastor and Polydeuces. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:36:03 -0400 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Glass Fish on OpenVMS? Shafting Loyal Customers (again) Message-ID: <471bb82a$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard Maher wrote: >>> The reasent VMS Tech Update said : >>> " BEA Weblogic – 8.1 SP3 on Alpha and Integrity >>> - No new versions currently planned, >>> - we’re plan JBOSS as alternative " >> :-( > > Shame to get as far as having first Tuxedo (XA) and then Weblogic on VMS > only to let them disappear(?) but I imagine BEA drives a hard bargain. (And > as most/all the existing VMS client base just wanted (*AND STILL WANTS*) a > simple way to put world class GUIs on their existing 3GL +/- ACMS > applications, I imagine there'll be few tears shed) What were the sales > figures and installed base? My guess is that most of WebLogic code is in Java, so they would not need many customers to break even. But little sale and little intrest from HP could easily feed the "let us focus on our strategic markets". > PS. I vaguely recall (Imagine?) that WebSphere was destend for VMS at one > stage, no? I am pretty sure that it has never run on VMS. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:26:32 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Message-ID: <471bee31$0$90271$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Maybe HIS PC has that much RAM. Mine has 1GB which seems to be sufficient. If you were to buy a new today - how much RAM would that system have ? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:39:35 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Message-ID: On 10/21/07 06:36, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 10/20/07 22:38, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> [snip] >> >>> Typical home PC's have 2-4 GB (and when the driver situation for >> >> >> You're kidding, right? >> > > Maybe HIS PC has that much RAM. Mine has 1GB which seems to be sufficient. Mine too. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:53:51 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Message-ID: On 10/21/07 19:26, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Maybe HIS PC has that much RAM. Mine has 1GB which seems to be >> sufficient. > > If you were to buy a new today - how much RAM would that system have ? I'm strongly thinking of buying a new PC, and it will have 1 or 2GB RAM, but only because I want to run Oracle on it in a semi-realistic manner. Otherwise, it would only have 1GB RAM. And trailing edge video card. No need for a CPU beyond 2GHz, and I'd only get dual-core because that's what's being sold most often, and Oracle+desktop needs the extra oomph. Lots of disk space, though. 750GB drives if I can afford them. Of course, Vista won't come near this box. Linux all the way. And XP runs perfectly well on the 512MB RAM Stinkpad I need to access Exchange... -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:36:04 -0700 From: David B Sneddon Subject: Problem with CSWS and Perl Message-ID: <1193016964.680764.25920@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Sorry for the technical question but the Apache documentation leaves a lot to be desired with regard to *detail*. Situation is: AlphaServer DS20 OpenVMS V8.3 (fully patched as of last Friday) CSWS V2.1-1 + CSWS211_UPDATE CSWS_PERL V2.1 +CSWS_PERL21_UPDATE PERL V5.8-6 + PERL586_UPDATE $ @sys$startup:apache$startup Syntax error on line 13 of /apache$root/conf/mod_perl.conf: Can't locate API module structure `perl_module' in file /apache$root/ 000000/modules/mod_perl.exe: function not implemented $ dire apache$root:[modules]mod_perl.exe Directory APACHE$COMMON:[MODULES] MOD_PERL.EXE;1 394/396 21-OCT-2007 21:16:59.12 Total of 1 file, 394/396 blocks. Can someone explain exactly what the above message means? The module exists and an analysis of the executable reveals the symbol "PERL_MODULE" does exist. I have a similar problem on another system but that one is referring to a different module (log_config_module). Any assistance would be appreciated. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:32:46 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Rare job posting Message-ID: <471bb767$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > Well, something to keep in mind that is very high on the minds of the > typical IT decision maker today.. forget the OS religion - either > they drastically reduce the costs associated with their IT > environment or they will be outsourced. > > Nothing complicated about that. Drastically reduce real IT costs (as > opposed to perceived costs) or be outsourced. Period. Outsourcing is about people not about HW & SW. Systems still require both HW & SQ if they are operated out of Bangalore. > And server virtualization with strategies like VMware, Zen, Linux on mainframe etc > do not touch the IT staffing part of the IT budget which represents approx 70% of the > overall IT budget. Xen - not Zen. > Hence, imho, the blood letting in terms of future platform decisions is about to get > much messier than in the past. > > The one bus app, one OS instance culture is in for some real shocks. I am not so convinced. It is not OS instance work that eat the time. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:35:14 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: SOAP, WSIT, I'm LOST, sort of... Message-ID: <471bd41b$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Currently running VMS system with : > > DS20/500, 2 CPU > VMS 7.3-2 > TCPIP 5.4 ECO 2 > OSU web server 3.6 and 3.8 (in three running copies) > > Now I've been asked to evaluate "WEB Services" > as a new "interface" to this system. I have checked > the WSIT and SOAP pages at HP. As far as I can see, > there are a few show stoppers as the system is > configured today. I need (at least one) ODS-5 disk > and also a current JAVA install for WSIT. But, according > to the development manual for WSIT, there are (at least one) > some tools (OBJ2IDL.EXE) that only runs on VMS I64. > That's a major problem, of course. > > Anyway, are there anyone who actualy have tried/used > these tools? And any other thought about this WEB Services > "thing" are also welcome. > > I'm currenly using the simple DCL scripting of the OSU > server (which works just OK) to produce dynamic page > contents. The WEB services is ment to be a data-transfer > interface, sort of not-having-to-use-FTP. I guess that one > also cat get a more "on-line" interface where apps can > exchange status info over the same connection. Now, not > realy sure what I'm talking about here... :-) :-) As I understand from the description of WSIT then it provides easy integration with existing applications. Do you want to provide a web service to an existing app ? Or do you just want to make some data (flat file or database) available via a web service ? If the last, then you do not need WSIT - just install Tomcat or JBoss and use a standard Axis distribution and write your web service in Java. It should work on any VMS version you can get a recent Java version for. Arne ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.577 ************************