INFO-VAX Wed, 12 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 680 Contents: RE: "snapshot" backup and HBVS 1000 things you do not want in your job hunt Re: DE500 failure, looking for advice RE: DE500 failure, looking for advice Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Picking nits Re: Picking nits Re: Picking nits Re: Picking nits Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: TCPware and MIME (again) Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: Unix for VMS guys Windows viruses (was: One Laptop per Child) Re: Windows viruses (was: One Laptop per Child) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:46:54 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: "snapshot" backup and HBVS Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply > [mailto:helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de] > Sent: December 10, 2007 5:19 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: "snapshot" backup and HBVS > > Suppose I am satisfied with a backup to disk, and just one per day, but > don't have much time to do it. OK, I can mount a third member into the > shadow set at a quiet time, let a minicopy take place, then dismount > it, > repeating this day after day. (The minicopy is fast enough, but no > backup---full or incremental---is, and neither is a full shadow copy.) > However, if I have to go back to this nightly snapshot backup, then I > have the choice betwwen a full shadow copy and living with one > shadow-set, member, neither of which is acceptable. > > There would be no problems if HBVS would support 4 members, but I doubt > that will be the case in the foreseeable future. > > If I then use the snapshot copy to create a shadow with a fourth set of > disks while the application continues on the main shadow set, then > presumably the minicopy for the next snapshot won't work, since I will > have had to have created a new shadow set to make a shadow copy of the > backup (and this will also have to be a full copy). > > Is it clear what my goal is? > > Is it possible? For higher availability, I usually recommend a mix of HW Raid and HBVS. Each volume in a HBVS shadow set is actually a HW raid device consisting of at least 2 drives. For a $750K/hr chip manufacturing environment, I did this exactly i.e. three member shadow set (application was very read intensive) so that even if a combination of events led to a single HBVS volume being in prod, a single drive failure would still be transparent to the business i.e. a single HBVS was really 2 drives (RAID0+1 in this case as I recall). This addressed their concerns about a single shadow set member running in production. This was on a large dual HSJ80 based environment, but as part of their future plans to move to SAN environment, they were planning to move to multiple HSV controllers and HBVS shadow across the paired controllers (still keeping local RAID devices as single device) so that even if one controller pair blew up or one controller failure impacted the other, they would still be protected. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: gorecroot Subject: 1000 things you do not want in your job hunt Message-ID: <0fd2442c-d9df-4844-abab-29dec8e3abb9@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Source: http://www.gorecroot.com GOING ONLY FOR BRANDING Do you stick only to the top name job boards or portals? If yes, you are denying your chances of getting into specialized positions. Specialized groups or non-enterprise companies often steer clear of top names. Choose your resume posting based on the kind of recruiters that visit a given job boards. OUTSOURCING YOUR JOB HUNT If you are getting a peer or a consultant to do your job hunt to the level of making contact with a prospective employer - stop doing this now. You can get help to the level of someone gathering job order description or information for you. You make the connect - use the opportunity to create an impression. Resume Blasting Do you treat your resume like a promotional mailer? Distribute it all over the place or get a group email ID and broadcast? This means (1) Your cover letter or your resume is not customized for the job order in hand - Resume customization in lieu of arranging the skill sets for the given job order. (2) You do not follow up, there are employers who seek to measure your interest with the follow up method that you adopt. Plus your prospective employer or their job consultant knows that you are hunting around, which will reduce your market value. Another aspect of mindless blasting is clicking the APPLY FOR THIS JOB button wherever you see it. When you submit your resume to a job where you do not have minimum qualifications - and you have a reason to doing so - make an offline connect. 75% of email traffic received by a generic ID such as careers@bestemployer.com is junk. If you rely only on email to get your next job - forget it. Your resume is probably in the junk folder. PRIVACY Do not write a tell tale resume with private information. We've heard enough and more about misuse of private information. Another aspect of privacy - using Internet at work to coordinate your job hunt. Wake up - Even a mom & pop street corner store can afford a network and a firewall in it. INTERNET JOB HUNT BALANCE You do not want to rely entirely on the internet for your job search. You do not want to deny the abundance of information that is available on the internet either. Depending on your skills and where you want to be working next, see if your target employers and their head hunters are hanging out in Print Classifieds or Job boards. BEING COOL Email is new age - it has been for over 15 years now:), but an email ID such as kewldude800@xyz.com is not a great identification. Also see what your social networking page is saying about you - from the eyes of a headhunter, hiring manager or recruiter . Please blogpost here about 'Big Brother is Watching '. Also your resume or your job hunt webpage is a business document, it is not your platform to express political views. Balance 994 things you do not want in your job hunt come under 'common sense application'. We do not want to question your CSA quotient by putting down all of those 994. (Actually, "6 things" as a title did not sound grandiose enough to attract your attention) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2007 07:43:52 -0600 From: lederman@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: DE500 failure, looking for advice Message-ID: > Hi Hans, > >> Two questions: >> - can I use a DE600 instead of a DE500? > > I'd get a DE602; they run around USD 20 + shipping on EBay. > > >> - if so, do I need to reinstall Tru64 (which I rather didn't since >> it's a royal pain? I'm not sure if there is a better news group where you can ask Tru64 questions: you might try the HP web pages, I'm sure there are pointers to Tru64. However: in my limited experience, you should not have to reinstall Tru64 just to change the type of Ethernet adaptor. You should be able to make the configuration change in QuickInstall or SYSMAN. -- B. Z. Lederman. My personal opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:30:44 -0500 From: "Ebinger . Eric" Subject: RE: DE500 failure, looking for advice Message-ID: I have a DE600 working in my Digital Server 3305. =20 From the Alphaserver 800 5.8 Firmware update release notes: =20 "(Alphaserver 800 and Digital Server 3300 ONLY) Console has boot support = for the DE600-AA, DE600-FA, DE602-AA Ethernet cards. These cards use = the Intel 82559 Ethernet chip. Note that non-Compaq Ethernet cards = which use either the 82558 or 82559 Ethernet chip will be recognized = from SRM console [a]s "Intel 8255x Ethernet" cards. Note the DE600 = cards are translated to Compaq Product names as follows. Refer to: = http://www.compaq.com/products/networking/nics/index.html =20 DE600-AA =3D DE602-AA =3D = DE602-TA =3D DE602-FA =3D NC3123 NC3131 = NC3132 NC3133 =20 ________________________________ From: David Turner, Island Computers = [mailto:dturner@no-spam-islandco.com] Sent: Tue 12/11/2007 11:41 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: Re: DE500 failure, looking for advice I didn't think the DE600 worked on the AS800 We have the DE500-BA for $50 DT -- David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404 T: 877-6364332 x201 Intl: 001 912 447 6622 E: dturner@islandco.com F: 912 201 0402 W: http://www.islandco.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other = use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons = or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you = received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from = all computers. "Carl Friedberg" wrote in message news:890539d90712110534p40bf24c7wa314eb143cb6f26f@mail.gmail.com... > Hi Hans, > >> Two questions: >> - can I use a DE600 instead of a DE500? > > I'd get a DE602; they run around USD 20 + shipping on EBay. > > >> - if so, do I need to reinstall Tru64 (which I rather didn't since >> it's a royal pain? > > For VMS, you will see the device letter change from EWA0 to EIA0 > and EIB0. I haven't a clue about four-letter OS. > > You could also consider a Gigabit interface like a DEGXA. > > Carl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:09:34 -0800 From: glen herrmannsfeldt Subject: Re: DECnet on Mac OS-X ? Message-ID: johnwallace4@gmail.com wrote: (snip) > Lots of NICs can *change* their MAC address, from one address to a > different one. > But for DECnet, don't they need to be able to work with *multiple* MAC > addresses: the original one, as would be used by IP, and the new one, > as traditionally added by DECnet Phase IV? No, IP uses the new address. A Cisco router configured for DECnet will have a DECnet style MAC address for IP. I don't see why it would be any different for a host. -- glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:41:52 -0800 From: DeanW Subject: Picking nits Message-ID: <3f119ada0712120741w5beb2d61y4a094ce5af1178cf@mail.gmail.com> I know this is minor- but I installed 8.3 on a different disk in my Hobbyist RX2600 and tripped over this: What's wrong with this picture? $ tcpip sho ver HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 on an HP rx2600 (1.40GHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3 $ type SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.SYSEXE]MODPARAMS.DAT ! SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.SYSEXE]MODPARAMS.DAT ! Created during installation of OpenVMS AXP V8.3 11-DEC-2007 14:59:20.69 ! [snip] ;-) -- Dean Woodward =o&o dean.woodward@gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:40:53 -0800 (PST) From: "David P. Murphy" Subject: Re: Picking nits Message-ID: <5054062e-e526-48f2-b109-c1485a846f21@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Dec 12, 10:41 am, DeanW wrote: > What's wrong with this picture? I imagine you didn't expect to see "OpenVMS AXP" on an Itanium. Not that "IA64" is an improvement. Why can't they come up with a decent name and abbreviation?? ok dpm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:14:51 +1030 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: Picking nits Message-ID: <13m041ams6oi193@corp.supernews.com> DeanW wrote: > I know this is minor- but I installed 8.3 on a different disk in my > Hobbyist RX2600 and tripped over this: What's wrong with this > picture? A hobbyist (note the spelling Steven) with an RX2600? ;-) > $ tcpip sho ver > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 > on an HP rx2600 (1.40GHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3 > > $ type SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.SYSEXE]MODPARAMS.DAT > ! SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.SYSEXE]MODPARAMS.DAT > ! Created during installation of OpenVMS AXP V8.3 11-DEC-2007 14:59:20.69 > ! > [snip] > > ;-) -- Avoidable human misery is more often caused not so much by stupidity as by ignorance, particularly our own ignorance about ourselves. [Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:24:09 -0800 From: DeanW Subject: Re: Picking nits Message-ID: <3f119ada0712120924v74540227sf9c9763af8c6923b@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 12, 2007 8:44 AM, Mark Daniel wrote: > A hobbyist (note the spelling Steven) with an RX2600? ;-) Intel Developer Forum, where I was lucky enough to meet VAXman, Bob Gezelter, and a couple other notables. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:18:14 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: <475FEDA6.4090106@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >>I'll write one if you pay me! It's cheaper to do your own homework and >>you'll learn more!!!!! > > > Watch out for that newfangled thing called open source, it can ruin your > revenu source ! > > > $OPEN/read input myfile.txt > $OPEN/write output yourfile.txt > $! > $LOOP: > $ READ/END=ENDLOOP input buffer > $ test = F$EDIT(buffer,"COLLAPSE") ! removes all spaces/tabs > $ IF test .eqs. "" then goto LOOP > $ write output buffer > $ goto loop: > $! > $endloop: > $close input > $close output > $write sys$output "Done" > $exit And what did you get for writing that? You pissed away five or ten minutes of your life for no return. You probably also did his homework for him and ruined the learning experience he was supposed to get by doing it himself! I would have done it in gawk! I have a VMS port of an ancient version of gawk. If anyone wants it, I could put it on my web page. . . . It's a very handy tool when you need what it does. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:30:33 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: <475FFE99.9060709@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > >>And what did you get for writing that? > > > A feeling that I may have helped someone and given him an image that > people on C.O.V. are happy to welcome newbies and help them despite VMS' > days being numbered. > > I am in the process of learning Unix, and I can tell you that I wish > there the mac newsgroups had people of C.O.V.'s calibre to help guide me. > > The little DCL I gave the chap wasn't fancy, but it at least shows him > it is possible to write a DCL script that can open a file and process > records. He can then use help for each command to learn more. > > It can be daunting when you get to an OS and you know what you want to > do, but have no clue on what commands can be used to do it. VMS is about the closest O/S to being "intuitively obvious", at least if you are fluent in English. Unix development and the idea that terse is good were heavily influenced by the devices available as terminals in the 1960s. Typing on them required a great deal of effort. My experience was with a Model 33 Teletype. That experience plus knowing that that was what the Unix developers had to work with explains just about everything except why things are still done that way! You can take someone who knows nothing about computers and get him up and running on VMS by little more than showing him how to log in and the HELP command. Of course some things are still a little obscure! Quick everyone! What is "1---1"?? It's the expression for the last day of the previous month! Both the month and the year are defaulted to the current values. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:23:57 +0100 From: Wilm Boerhout Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: <4760192f$0$25477$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl> on 11-12-2007 21:48 apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote... > Hi: > Can You show me a simple procedure to remove all blank lines in a > file ? > Thank You in advance... Yeah, don't follow the TECO examples given. They just work on the first TECO "page" of a file (everything up to the first FF or until TECO's memory is full, whichever comes first). There should be a Yank loop around the commands given IMO. -- Wilm Boerhout Zwolle, NL remove OLD PAINT from return address to reply ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: TCPware and MIME (again) Message-ID: On Dec 10, 8:44 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: > I was recently poking around the web trying to solve another "MIME > send" problem in TCPware when I stumbled upon the following paragraph > in the Multinet release notes: > > ### > > MultiNet V5.2 Release Notes - April 2007 > > 2.10.16 SMTP > > Two new SMTP logicals were added to allow sending the output of the > OpenVMS MIME utility with MultiNet mail: MULTINET_SMTP_ALLOW_MIME_SEND > (value is Y/T/1 to enable the new behavior, anything else to disable > it) MULTINET_SMTP_MIME_TAG (value is what to look for at the start of > the first line of the message. Optional. Defaults to "Mime-version:" > > Without the SMTP_ALLOW_MIME_SEND defined, the behavior will be as > before. WIth it, if the first line of the message file being sent is > the mime tag, the blank line at the end of the header output will be > suppressed so that the header lines in the message will be seen as > header lines rather than message body. [9147] > > ### > Great news: I just received a note from Process Software Corp that this MULTINET functionality will be moved into TCPware 5.8 which will be released soon (possibly 08Q1). Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2007 13:21:42 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <5sa5j6F1859onU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <5s59euF177g2rU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> Well, I just tried it with RedHat and FreeBSD (I am downloading the iso >> for Centos 4.5 now and in a few hours I can try that too) and it didn't >> work for either of them. It did exactly as would be expected. I used >> vi to add the user wfg to the end of the file. In both cases because the >> user does not appear in the shadow/master.passwd file it does not exist >> and the passwd can't give it a password. > > UNIX is the portable operating system that's different on every box. > > Implementations of shadow passwords vary tremendously from one UNIX > to the next, even from the same vendor. What doesn't work on RedHat > and FreeBSD might work on some other. There are right ways and wrong ways to do things, just like on VMS. Doing things the wrong way is, well, just plain wrong. Just as it would be on VMS. But, experience has proven that people here who have little if any Unix expertise prefer to do things the wrong way and then blame Unix when things go badly. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:54:56 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: In article <5sa5j6F1859onU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > >In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> In article <5s59euF177g2rU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>> >>> Well, I just tried it with RedHat and FreeBSD (I am downloading the iso >>> for Centos 4.5 now and in a few hours I can try that too) and it didn't >>> work for either of them. It did exactly as would be expected. I used >>> vi to add the user wfg to the end of the file. In both cases because the >>> user does not appear in the shadow/master.passwd file it does not exist >>> and the passwd can't give it a password. >> >> UNIX is the portable operating system that's different on every box. >> >> Implementations of shadow passwords vary tremendously from one UNIX >> to the next, even from the same vendor. What doesn't work on RedHat >> and FreeBSD might work on some other. > >There are right ways and wrong ways to do things, just like on VMS. >Doing things the wrong way is, well, just plain wrong. Just as it >would be on VMS. But, experience has proven that people here who >have little if any Unix expertise prefer to do things the wrong way >and then blame Unix when things go badly. OK then, would you care to explain the "right" way? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2007 15:22:58 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: <5sacmiF17o5oaU1@mid.individual.net> In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <5sa5j6F1859onU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> >>In article , >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>> In article <5s59euF177g2rU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>>> >>>> Well, I just tried it with RedHat and FreeBSD (I am downloading the iso >>>> for Centos 4.5 now and in a few hours I can try that too) and it didn't >>>> work for either of them. It did exactly as would be expected. I used >>>> vi to add the user wfg to the end of the file. In both cases because the >>>> user does not appear in the shadow/master.passwd file it does not exist >>>> and the passwd can't give it a password. >>> >>> UNIX is the portable operating system that's different on every box. >>> >>> Implementations of shadow passwords vary tremendously from one UNIX >>> to the next, even from the same vendor. What doesn't work on RedHat >>> and FreeBSD might work on some other. >> >>There are right ways and wrong ways to do things, just like on VMS. >>Doing things the wrong way is, well, just plain wrong. Just as it >>would be on VMS. But, experience has proven that people here who >>have little if any Unix expertise prefer to do things the wrong way >>and then blame Unix when things go badly. > > OK then, would you care to explain the "right" way? > I have, repeatedly!! For those who prefer a simple editor to work with the password file Unix has provided the "vipw" command since BSD 4.0 (October 1980). It handles locking the password system and, since the advent of shadow passwords, handles them as well. Beyond that, there are any of a number of different GUI methods and even simple batch mode systems for adding, deleting or modifying the users on a system. And a simple google search will show that I stated this at the very beginning of this thread!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2007 06:09:27 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Windows viruses (was: One Laptop per Child) Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <475de9e9$0$90267$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: >> >> We are over 50000 for Windows I believe. >> > Over 150,000. Of which the typical anti-virus tool protects you > against 50,000 to 75,000. But avoiding the first virus protects you from the rest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:52:20 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Windows viruses (was: One Laptop per Child) Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > > >In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> In article <475de9e9$0$90267$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: >>> >>> We are over 50000 for Windows I believe. >>> >> Over 150,000. Of which the typical anti-virus tool protects you >> against 50,000 to 75,000. > >But avoiding the first virus protects you from the rest. That would be the commercially available one from that Redmond outfit? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.680 ************************