INFO-VAX Mon, 24 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 704 Contents: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Hobbyist Public Access OpenVMS VAX V7.3 System ONLINE Re: OT: Merry Christmas to c.o.v. ! Re: OT: Merry Christmas to c.o.v. ! Re: TZ89-VW on Alpha Re: Volume label. Re: Volume label. Re: Volume label. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Dec 2007 13:36:22 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <5t9qumF1cgcb1U1@mid.individual.net> In article <476ee6ba$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <476ed316$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, >> Arne Vajhøj writes: >>> Bugs in PHP itself are relative rare. Bugs in apps written in PHP are >>> relative common. >> >> It isn't just bugs. It is a language iwho's interface is designed to >> let outsiders execute any command available on the system any time they >> want to by merely adding it to the URL sent to the PHP script. > > ???? > > It should save it in $_REQUEST, $_GET and $_SERVER but > not execute it. Yeah, that would be nice, but reality is somewhat different. > >> Perl and PHP are the antithesis of software engineering. > > They are not like the classic programming languages with declarations > of data types etc.. They are, by design, for "quick and dirty" programming. they were designed by amateurs to expand on the number of amateur programmers. It is truly sad how many professionals have become so lazy that they now see this as the art of programming. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2007 13:38:42 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <5t9r32F1cgcb1U2@mid.individual.net> In article <476ee547$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> And BTW PHP5 is indeed much >>> better than PHP4. >> >> Yeah, pretty much the same way as Vista is better than XP. > > Better OOP, better mysql module, better XML module etc.. Maybe, but the value of that hinges on wether or not the PHP language is actually worth using in the first place. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:46:21 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <476fe258$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <476ee6ba$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, > Arne Vajhøj writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> In article <476ed316$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, >>> Arne Vajhøj writes: >>>> Bugs in PHP itself are relative rare. Bugs in apps written in PHP are >>>> relative common. >>> It isn't just bugs. It is a language iwho's interface is designed to >>> let outsiders execute any command available on the system any time they >>> want to by merely adding it to the URL sent to the PHP script. >> ???? >> >> It should save it in $_REQUEST, $_GET and $_SERVER but >> not execute it. > > Yeah, that would be nice, but reality is somewhat different. Do you have a reference. It sounds rather impossible to me. Maybe except if PHP is run as CGI on an OS that supports multiple statements in a command line - or something like that. >>> Perl and PHP are the antithesis of software engineering. >> They are not like the classic programming languages with declarations >> of data types etc.. > > They are, by design, for "quick and dirty" programming. Web programming often fits that description very well. Arne ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2007 13:30:01 +0200 From: Alexander Horn Subject: Hobbyist Public Access OpenVMS VAX V7.3 System ONLINE Message-ID: <476fa649@news.arcor-ip.de> Hi VMS-Guys and Ladies, My FREE and Public Access OpenVMS VAX V7.3 is ONLINE: Host: BIRD.MARWAY.ORG (85.214.95.107) (...) Username: NEWUSER Password: NEWUSER (...) Thanks to Hoff from HoffmanLabs and ``Da Beave'' from Deathrow OpenVMS Cluster in North-Carolina, USA. FYI, Compaq C Compiler V6.4-005 and DEC Notes V2.5 is installed :) This week, an VMS IRC Client, ZIP/UNZIP, TAR etc. will come... C YA and MERRY X-Mas, -Vaxima -- Alexander Horn, Hostmaster (of staff) | OpenVMS (TM) rocks! 10 Bruckner, Sindelfingen 71065 Germany | http://www.marway.org/ eMail: vaxima@marlabs.net | Trouble with Windows? Reboot! vaxima@vaxima.net | Trouble wth UNIX? Be root! ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2007 13:41:39 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: Merry Christmas to c.o.v. ! Message-ID: <5t9r8iF1cgcb1U3@mid.individual.net> In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <476e7e5f$0$25326$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >> >> >>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> The point is that the equinoxes and solstices vary; the 25th of December >>> does not. >> >>And December 25th is also a huge day for physicists since it proves it >>is possible to travel faster than the speed of light (and have almost >>instaneous acceleration and deceleration). The sleigh santa uses to >>deliver the gifts to every kid around the world in 24 hours doesn't >>have 2 skis under it, they are 2 warp drive nacelles... the raindeer are >>just for decoration. > > Psst. JF, I hate to break this to you but that Santa character is a > myth... like religion, he exists to fill some human flaw which seems > to yearn for the belief in non-existing do-gooders. so is James T. Kirk, but that doesn't stop people from discussing him (even here!) like he was real. Kinda like the guys from NASA that get involved in the "technical" discussions of warp drive every once in a while. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:04:10 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Merry Christmas to c.o.v. ! Message-ID: <476fcaa7$0$25316$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Psst. JF, I hate to break this to you but that Santa character is a > myth... like religion, he exists to fill some human flaw which seems > to yearn for the belief in non-existing do-gooders. That is wrong. Santa even has an official postal code: H0H 0H0. http://www.postescanada.ca/dec/santa/writesanta/default-e.asp Norad is currently tracking him. http://www.norad.mil/Home.html (click on the Norad tracks Santa image on the left column of home page). And how dare you suggest, on this christmas eve that no children in the world will be getting gifts from Santa if they behaved this year ? And unlike the lockness monster or sasquach, there are plenty of pictures of Santa Claus all over the plane. Santa is an essential part that fuels kid's imaginations. Killing Santa is just plan dead wrong, especially on the 24th of december. That is far worse than asking a slightly plump lady if she is pregnant. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:53:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Townley Subject: Re: TZ89-VW on Alpha Message-ID: On 24 Dec, 03:19, Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > On Dec 23, 9:13 pm, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > > > From: Chris Townley > > > > I have gained a coupe of these units, and want to get one onto my > > > hobbyist Alpha running VMS, but I cannot find any manuals online, I > > > especially need to know how to set the unit number - there is a DIP > > > switch on the back > > > > Can anybody point me at a manual, or any suggestion as to the use of > > > the 8 switches? > > Isn't that a 'brick' which takes the scsi ID based on the slot in the > BA356 tower used to slide it into? > > The dip switches may provide an overide. > > Ah... google foudn something:http://intelligent-peripheral.com/manuals/ek-tz89n-ug-a01.pdf > Page 4-2 and 4-3 show dip switched. > 1,2,3&4 off + 5,6,7&8 on ==> auto. > 1,2,3,4 x + 5,6,7,&8 off ==> binary scsi id in 1,2,3,4 > > hth, > Hein. Thanks - that would explain why it is currently set 1-4 off, 5-8 on. Was more concerned it was set to a specific value that would conflict with other drives. Will also save the manual -- Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:34:59 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Volume label. Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > In article > <319ff94e-2a42-4f73-a808-5e533635b184@s48g2000hss.googlegroups.com>, AEF > writes: > > > In this example, how would it stop the user from simply redefining the > > application logical names? > > If they are terminal, then if one points to DSA425, he can't define > DSA425 himself. Or, rather, he can, but it wouldn't affect an application using a logical name pointing to DSA425 and specified as TERMINAL. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: Volume label. Message-ID: <1384b006-7d60-4c3b-9dbc-0a0bc3254779@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Dec 24, 3:34 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article , hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > > In article > > <319ff94e-2a42-4f73-a808-5e533635b...@s48g2000hss.googlegroups.com>, AEF > > writes: > > > > In this example, how would it stop the user from simply redefining the > > > application logical names? > > > If they are terminal, then if one points to DSA425, he can't define > > DSA425 himself. > > Or, rather, he can, but it wouldn't affect an application using a > logical name pointing to DSA425 and specified as TERMINAL. But he could just redefine the logical name that points to DSA425: [something]. So you still need to ignore user and supervisor mode logical names. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:55:42 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Volume label. Message-ID: In article <1384b006-7d60-4c3b-9dbc-0a0bc3254779@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > > > In this example, how would it stop the user from simply redefining the > > > > application logical names? > > > > > If they are terminal, then if one points to DSA425, he can't define > > > DSA425 himself. > > > > Or, rather, he can, but it wouldn't affect an application using a > > logical name pointing to DSA425 and specified as TERMINAL. > > But he could just redefine the logical name that points to DSA425: > [something]. So you still need to ignore user and supervisor mode > logical names. Yes, that's why I mentioned NOALIAS. That, of course, will also cover the case above, so arguably TERMINAL isn't needed for this reason. (Was TERMINAL, or its functional equivalent, introduced before NOALIAS? Probably, since the leading _ goes way back.) Was the original function of TERMINAL to save CPU cycles by saving the last translation attempt? ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.704 ************************